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Speaker 1: know California is the land of sunshine, beaches and palm trees,
Speaker 1: but it has a dangerous underbelly and two thousand nineteen
Speaker 1: and State of California lad the Country of murders with
Speaker 1: one thousand, six d ninety in l A. We've seen
Speaker 1: the murder of Tupox You Corp. Followed by the murder
Speaker 1: of New York's notorious b I G. Seven as a
Speaker 1: recent Los Angeles rapper Nipsey Hustle as well. He was
Speaker 1: brutally gunned down in front of his Marathon clothing store.
Speaker 1: And we saw a rise in New York rapper Pop
Speaker 1: Smoke murdered in the home invasion. He was only twenty
Speaker 1: years old. Joining us to night, we have former l
Speaker 1: APD detective author of murder Rapped untold story the Biggie
Speaker 1: Smallest Tuthpox to Corps murder investigation. Mr Greg Katie, Are
Speaker 1: you doing man? You know it's a lot of California.
Speaker 1: Man's one of those deceptive places. Man is beautiful out here,
Speaker 1: the palm trees, the beaches of weather. But we leave
Speaker 1: the country of murders. Man. I didn't know that until
Speaker 1: you just said, yeah, I did that research. I did
Speaker 1: research that. Man. We are leading the country of murders.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of people to get out back on top.
Speaker 1: It's because of the pandemic. It seemed like it got worship.
Speaker 1: You know, when we was on lockdown, you had people
Speaker 1: out at three o'clock in the morning doing drive abouts.
Speaker 1: What the hell? Yeah, that's some crazy ship right there.
Speaker 1: And for us to be back on for us to
Speaker 1: be back on top ship, you know, because the way
Speaker 1: ship is right now and you are you here as
Speaker 1: the youngsters in in shy town. Uh to hear that
Speaker 1: we're back on top with the murders is crazy, It's
Speaker 1: it's fun. Yeah. Well, you gotta remember that's the state
Speaker 1: of California as a whole. You and you encompass Oakland
Speaker 1: and San Francisco, l A, San Burns. You know, that's everywhere,
Speaker 1: So you know it's a big status. It's a dangerous place, man,
Speaker 1: and we could take it back. Man. Uh. Two, when
Speaker 1: you went to had the notorious B I G investigation
Speaker 1: correct and my after the murder? You know I didn't
Speaker 1: get involved in that until two thousand and six. What
Speaker 1: did you see with that? Man? What do you think
Speaker 1: the whole thing was that you think it was? I know,
Speaker 1: we obviously never cut who did it, and I don't
Speaker 1: even know if we did who did it if it's
Speaker 1: even worth talking about now? Um, what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that? Man? Well? I think that what happened is
Speaker 1: a combination of things. First of all, back in when
Speaker 1: it was when it was initially being investigated, I don't
Speaker 1: think that the guys that were involved at lap d
Speaker 1: Um fully understood the culture within the music, and they
Speaker 1: understood the gang you know, a component of it all.
Speaker 1: But they just had so much trouble breaking through that
Speaker 1: barrier of that you know, you don't don't talk, don't
Speaker 1: snitch type of thing. And that was the case so
Speaker 1: often in Los Angeles and James Knows and Compton. Those
Speaker 1: gang homicides are really tough to solve, and you know,
Speaker 1: sixties s those homicides don't get solved just because of
Speaker 1: that you know, you know, don't tell all culture, and
Speaker 1: that was one of the barriers that they that they
Speaker 1: faced and trying to figure out what happened to the
Speaker 1: dead and you know, not to be the dead horse man.
Speaker 1: Do you think that was in the retaliation man for
Speaker 1: the murder of Biggie, not for pot for pop for
Speaker 1: saying absolutely positively, I can honestly say I was there.
Speaker 1: And the tension that the the way people felt when
Speaker 1: Tupac died, the way I felt, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: at that time, being active and then somebody get killed
Speaker 1: on your watch isn't much. You ain't got a choice
Speaker 1: but to retaliate. And when Park was killed, it was
Speaker 1: so crazy. How Honey is gonna get to New York
Speaker 1: and get these fools. We just gotta wait till they
Speaker 1: come back. They can't come back to California. But Bam,
Speaker 1: Biggie is in California doing I'm going back to Cali.
Speaker 1: You should have never came out of here. He had
Speaker 1: no business out here at all. So it was it
Speaker 1: was an opportunity for payback. And and both of those
Speaker 1: dudes lost their lives just on some bs because everybody
Speaker 1: know should was on some bullshit and Puffy was on
Speaker 1: some bullshit and they were still communicating with each other,
Speaker 1: was so called in the cut. And some of the
Speaker 1: homies knew that, but didn't Nobody wanted to do nothing
Speaker 1: about that. And I think it was best and it
Speaker 1: benefited both of them because you had the South Side
Speaker 1: and the mob thing exactly, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And they both benefited off of that. And you know,
Speaker 1: when them guys came to Compton, they went straight to
Speaker 1: to the South Sides. They went over there with with
Speaker 1: little keeping them and Big Keith and all of those
Speaker 1: other guys and they were like bodyguards from you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it was just a crazy It
Speaker 1: was a crazy thing because like I told him when
Speaker 1: when they jumped Orlando, this little cat is a hitter,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And in tupunction that never
Speaker 1: got got in it. Eight is it is it rapper?
Speaker 1: He should never have to get out there when he
Speaker 1: paying people to watch his body. If anybody get close
Speaker 1: to eight, snatch him, you know what I'm saying. That
Speaker 1: didn't happen here. They treated Park like he was one
Speaker 1: of the homies getting high drinking and these are the
Speaker 1: consequences of it. So, uh, both sides didn't do what
Speaker 1: they were supposed to do. They got both sides got
Speaker 1: colt shit. Is it that you know jane Us being
Speaker 1: from you know, gaglers and ship like that. In the
Speaker 1: feeling of it when Pox showed up, did did did
Speaker 1: y'all feel like because of Sugar, you know, getting him
Speaker 1: out and all that when he started claiming a mob
Speaker 1: or whatever that y'all feel like he was like, just
Speaker 1: that's the all thing home. No, I was, I was
Speaker 1: one because the hood was the hood to me. Exactly.
Speaker 1: I man, I did the good that you feel about.
Speaker 1: I was. I was the game. Remember, And you have
Speaker 1: somebody coming here. I don't care where you from. You
Speaker 1: didn't you didn't run this term you went around here,
Speaker 1: You didn't get down like that. You wouldn't known the block.
Speaker 1: So Tupac I didn't accept that. And and he shouldn't
Speaker 1: have never been from the hood. He's an artist, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He's he's he's here to make money.
Speaker 1: And once once, once you lose their head, and then
Speaker 1: the money's over. And once Tupac died, every now everybody
Speaker 1: is bam bam, bam bam, everybody gone because she ain't
Speaker 1: got to no more. Now she is doing you know,
Speaker 1: the drugs and the drinking and all this. I never
Speaker 1: seen that dude drink or do nothing. But now he
Speaker 1: didn't turned into it, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: when Tupac put the neighborhood on him, I was furious. Man,
Speaker 1: I was furiated because chick, I don't care who you
Speaker 1: think you are. I'm known you here. How are you
Speaker 1: gonna tell this dude he can put the hood on him.
Speaker 1: You ain't got it on you. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So the whole thing was out of line. And then
Speaker 1: you know, just to have that man come in from
Speaker 1: where he was and then and then start game thing,
Speaker 1: and it don't work like that. So I never accepted it.
Speaker 1: I didn't hang with him. I didn't kick it with him,
Speaker 1: because if I did that, I accept him as one
Speaker 1: of the homies. And I couldn't do that. And the
Speaker 1: rabbit holes certainly gets deep in that case, man, because
Speaker 1: you have accusations of Puffy being paid a certain amount
Speaker 1: of money, to Puffy paying a certain amount of money
Speaker 1: to execute this thing, this revenge thing, because you know,
Speaker 1: Pop was making the songs and he was really going
Speaker 1: at him, so it got real person with a point.
Speaker 1: And when some of those songs came out, I said that,
Speaker 1: I said, man, somebody might die because this don't sound
Speaker 1: like no normal rep Fueld type of stuff. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, exactly serious, it's got it got serious.
Speaker 1: I think, in my opinion, after jacob Old out in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: you know when they had beef out there, and that's
Speaker 1: where's there's no turning back right exactly. So I think
Speaker 1: that might have been the first time where blood was
Speaker 1: actually spelled over this, over this uh beef when uh
Speaker 1: Puffy's guy Wolf shot Jake. And then you know you
Speaker 1: can't turn it back after that because a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: there's a witness, there was a ton of interesting a
Speaker 1: witness that uh that that scene had heard, should say
Speaker 1: had heard, should say to uh Puff, you took something
Speaker 1: precious from me. I'm gonna take something precious from you.
Speaker 1: And you know that could mean a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: But now that we see Big get killed, maybe it
Speaker 1: plays into that hole. I'm we're gonna get even for
Speaker 1: what you just did to Jake. Yeah, and then of
Speaker 1: course Tupac happens and makes it holds down what Tupac
Speaker 1: shouldn't have happened. Pool a little liquor and roll something
Speaker 1: up the gun stood chronicles, We'll be right back gotten
Speaker 1: damn it. This is og gangst Granny and y'all tuned
Speaker 1: into the Gangster Chronicles on the Black Effect podcast network.
Speaker 1: Never turn off my goddamn Greens, you'll bet and I
Speaker 1: burned up my ship. Hey, motherfucker's that shouldn't happen. You
Speaker 1: got fifteen seventeen eighteen bloods right there. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? And if if your job is to protect
Speaker 1: him and show then that's what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: Tupac and I say this all the time, people get mad.
Speaker 1: Tupac didn't even know who Anne was, never been in
Speaker 1: Comforting to day in his life, never hung the South Side.
Speaker 1: It ain't like the who had had pictures of motherfucker's
Speaker 1: who they wanted. So why the fund you walking up
Speaker 1: to a dude he don't know, one of the homies.
Speaker 1: Just that's it right there. No, you're a game, so
Speaker 1: you go get him. Now, That's what I should have said.
Speaker 1: But him trying to prove himself and talking about it,
Speaker 1: he with it. He went over there and handle this business.
Speaker 1: And those guys knew that that little dude was with
Speaker 1: the business he was he was a hitter. Oh no,
Speaker 1: he was a hitter. Yeah, not truly. Think if he
Speaker 1: would have been any one of those guys that have
Speaker 1: wouldn't in sock down. They would have wait until he
Speaker 1: went back to comp And I don't think it would
Speaker 1: have been that thing. I think, yeah, not is a
Speaker 1: game back? Yeah, because I think like this, you know
Speaker 1: Orlando here hit any think this here man. By the
Speaker 1: time this ship get back to l a they would
Speaker 1: have the park whoop my ass that he don't did
Speaker 1: this and this. He was like this motherfucker gotta go
Speaker 1: in his mind, you know. He basically any any anybody
Speaker 1: that's with it, that's on the streets and doing a name.
Speaker 1: You gotta look at your reputation. What people perception is
Speaker 1: that of a certain situation. Oh, London woods Man, niggd
Speaker 1: Rapper took off on me. Now the moble south Side
Speaker 1: had squabbles on Long Beach numerous times, exactly A Linda
Speaker 1: would have understood that squabble. Did he take fitteen cats
Speaker 1: to jump him like that? No, only the hood didn't
Speaker 1: get down like that. But when Tupac was called, everybody
Speaker 1: high and everybody drunk food, they mond him. Now, y'all
Speaker 1: didn't leave me laying there. So let me gather my
Speaker 1: folks and this old bloods and cribs whoever. If you
Speaker 1: got that mentality, I'm going to come get you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna catch you. Bagas ain't that big when everybody was
Speaker 1: in the same spots and she Compton ain't that big here,
Speaker 1: So get back to the it's coming, it's coming. So
Speaker 1: and everybody knew where they were going. Exactly that night.
Speaker 1: It was like, well, you have to be right down
Speaker 1: the street if you're looking at these guys. They came
Speaker 1: to six six too at first before when children was
Speaker 1: already at the fights, they came and pulled up at
Speaker 1: six six too. But they knew if they had tried
Speaker 1: something six six too, they'd have been in Trump. We
Speaker 1: was already ready for whatever a week pride to that
Speaker 1: they was talking about they was coming. My daughter mother
Speaker 1: was was on it. You watch yourself. They're talking about
Speaker 1: they coming and shoot up six Now, it was so
Speaker 1: many metros up there, pathetic, so they weren't gonna try
Speaker 1: nothing there. So when they went to the fight, that's
Speaker 1: when it all happened. After the fight was over, and
Speaker 1: and Orlando, they called him by herself standing there by
Speaker 1: myself because it is over two function. I never did
Speaker 1: what he did. So it seems like the premise deal
Speaker 1: was a California for in your period as a whole.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna ask you, Greg as a police officer,
Speaker 1: it seems like everything else he was built on refunge,
Speaker 1: Like they did this to me, and I'm like, we
Speaker 1: let it go. They have to go. I wouldn't look
Speaker 1: at it as I really revenge. It's from as long
Speaker 1: as I was gang banging. We never looked at it
Speaker 1: as revenge. It was just the code of of of retaliation,
Speaker 1: of of what you do. They hit us, you hit them.
Speaker 1: This revenge, ain't it. He didn't look at it like
Speaker 1: that you look at it like, man, there's no He
Speaker 1: looked at it like like this is the code like
Speaker 1: it was never like the suggestion we think your revenge
Speaker 1: on these motherfucker's novel it's what you fucking do. Somebody
Speaker 1: come through blasting or jumped the HOMEI or do whatever.
Speaker 1: If you didn't was more of fucking you think it
Speaker 1: is his buster. Y'all didn't go back and the niggas
Speaker 1: jumped on and it didn't even have to be a
Speaker 1: fucking dry And that played a big part with the
Speaker 1: South Side because if they didn't go and do what
Speaker 1: they have to do, then they have been looked at
Speaker 1: like that. Puffy would have been like, man, they wove
Speaker 1: your nephew, and y'all more fuckers didn't do nothing. I'll
Speaker 1: get away from much, yall winnies. People on the outside
Speaker 1: look at it in the perspective of or some revenge ship.
Speaker 1: You know, they killed his friend. Now they're going back
Speaker 1: to kill him. We looked at it as a ship.
Speaker 1: That's what you do when you start banging and claiming
Speaker 1: they they need Maybe then it seems a little bit
Speaker 1: more words an emotional respond exactly where what you're talking
Speaker 1: about and send me is more of like this is
Speaker 1: the business of it. This is just an end back
Speaker 1: in the day. I'll compone in them. One of these
Speaker 1: people get killed the liquor get took him. They didn't
Speaker 1: looking ship like a yeah, we're gonna get revenge on him.
Speaker 1: This is what you do. They hit him, just turn
Speaker 1: to go hit there. And if you don't, Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you don't, then you you might as well fucking you.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be the boss and you didn't go
Speaker 1: take that motherfucker. M yeah exactly. And in that culture,
Speaker 1: reputation is everything, exactly because if you don't take revenge,
Speaker 1: you got these other people looking like, man, I don't,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna come try to take your place, then
Speaker 1: replace you. They're gonna replace you. You. So we got
Speaker 1: this whole thing, and it seemed like to me, the
Speaker 1: one that was just the most innocent of the ma
Speaker 1: all it kind of got caught in the cross fire.
Speaker 1: I was bigger the same way, you know, Like I
Speaker 1: really like when Biggie died because I met him a
Speaker 1: couple of times before and this before he got big.
Speaker 1: I saw him the Princess Club laying slam out that
Speaker 1: a couple of shows would be and he was a
Speaker 1: cool dude. It's like I remember, because he didn't seem
Speaker 1: like no celebrity type of dude. He was just real
Speaker 1: kick back with with all of this ship that was
Speaker 1: going on. Do you honestly shaving Biggie was that chand
Speaker 1: y'all keep me out of this. No, but I ain't
Speaker 1: got no listen. I think he's both riding with the
Speaker 1: bad Boy. Well you gotta remember this year he was
Speaker 1: riding with bad Boy. But at that time, Biggie wasn't
Speaker 1: calling those shots like that to connect this done and
Speaker 1: get this and and I think he was just playing
Speaker 1: his role. He was went bad Boys, and he was
Speaker 1: just kind of one of the things. He was just
Speaker 1: he was there. I mean, from from the perspective of
Speaker 1: hip hopping music, it didn't look like his influence was
Speaker 1: was much on the fuck that ship. But behind closed doors,
Speaker 1: you never know what somebody is saying, they're probably sitting
Speaker 1: there like the niggas too, because I know for us too.
Speaker 1: I know for a fact, Man Hawk was running up
Speaker 1: and he ran up in Faith. I know that for
Speaker 1: a fact because you know, I used to run with
Speaker 1: psych Okay and he told me that she was at
Speaker 1: the hotel. And I guess Pap was standing some kind
Speaker 1: of hotel and she was up there frequently. And you know,
Speaker 1: he came in the room one day, you know, when
Speaker 1: he says she was in the bed, hair frazzled up
Speaker 1: like she's got fits. So you're thinking his wife's getting
Speaker 1: knocked down by its enemy, you know, so you never
Speaker 1: know what we'll see it behind closed doors. You just
Speaker 1: never know. I would have been mad, But uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I ain't gonna talk about Faith. I don't
Speaker 1: know where and what she did with Pockets. Her and
Speaker 1: Pockets cool and and probably was one of them nights
Speaker 1: when she was to up and should happened, but he
Speaker 1: accepted her back and they was doing anything. A female
Speaker 1: is good emotional over ship, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Who who knows what the situation is? But I don't
Speaker 1: look at that as a fucking, fucking a bit cheat
Speaker 1: on sheet on you. You know, I don't think that's
Speaker 1: gonna lead to you know, a dude in that position, Well,
Speaker 1: it's a combination of things you gotta do talking bad
Speaker 1: about you. He knocked your woman down and he just
Speaker 1: pretty much smashed the humiliy. Don't make me want to
Speaker 1: kill a motherfucker. That's two weeks of the call. That's
Speaker 1: kind of killer nigga. I don't kill a nigga because
Speaker 1: the motherfucker and did some evil ship they're coming after us.
Speaker 1: That's just like I mean, I know, it's a same clicity.
Speaker 1: You're back in the days niggas. You know, some niggas
Speaker 1: will get killed over bitches in the neighborhoods. But being
Speaker 1: in the position of fucking hip hop dude and you know,
Speaker 1: publicity and whatever, I don't think that bit you fuck
Speaker 1: the mothercker. I'm gonna gonack motherfucking too. Hey, James Still
Speaker 1: and eight, I need yo to tell me what the
Speaker 1: word on the streets is. What the hell is going on? Ship?
Speaker 1: Where are you at? This is og Gangster Granny and
Speaker 1: the Gangster Chronicles podcast is back in effect. Get ready
Speaker 1: for some of that g ship and blaze up some wannameraw,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be to the point of because that's
Speaker 1: their mentality. I don't know what their mentality is from
Speaker 1: New York. I know what that lady niggers would do,
Speaker 1: what conting niggers do. Now we just got that fucking mentality.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. Well and and and this
Speaker 1: is the bottom line to big in Tupac. Everybody knew
Speaker 1: what's happening, everybody knows who killed who, and yet nobody
Speaker 1: went to jail behind it because I think politics plays
Speaker 1: a big part. Even with your investigation and what you
Speaker 1: did and then putting it out there. I want to
Speaker 1: Australia with it and listening to no the last one
Speaker 1: we did when I when I came, when you had
Speaker 1: to debate how people I want to twist a story,
Speaker 1: how people want to take credit for something, how people
Speaker 1: uh want to be mad over certain issues and they
Speaker 1: just jumped aboard on the situation or or this and
Speaker 1: that happened. If you got the actual facts or what
Speaker 1: really is going on and documents showing what happened like
Speaker 1: you had, people still don't care. They still don't want
Speaker 1: to hear it, and people still want to talk about
Speaker 1: digging in Tupac when and those dudes are gone, They're
Speaker 1: gone and people should let them douse. Risks PPD put
Speaker 1: a book out and said told basically told the story.
Speaker 1: Did you believe that he was being like like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I know he has been her percent truthfold when I
Speaker 1: interviewed him, because there was no there was no motivation
Speaker 1: to life. Once he started to kind of tell the
Speaker 1: story a little bit different. I mean, it's the same
Speaker 1: narrative for all intent and purposes, but he did change
Speaker 1: a couple of little things. I think when he put
Speaker 1: his book out he said, yeah, Pocles going for a gun. Right.
Speaker 1: Of course, he never mentions that with us because we
Speaker 1: know that didn't happen, But he wants to build in
Speaker 1: a self defense so that if he gets wrapped up
Speaker 1: on something, he can say, hey, man, this dude had
Speaker 1: you know, in his mind he's trying to either justify
Speaker 1: it or build in a defense, going, well, the dude
Speaker 1: was going for a gun in Orlando. Shot self defense.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. It's a bunch of bullshit, but it's
Speaker 1: still the same story. Or Land o'keefee and the two
Speaker 1: boys were in the car and they shot killed pot Um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like he's telling the truth for all,
Speaker 1: you know, for the most part of you know, you
Speaker 1: have that situation. Man, they just you know, put a
Speaker 1: black guye and with things. Man, when you were working
Speaker 1: at homicide, man, what was the main premise behind the
Speaker 1: presuy of the murders? Man? Was it revenge? Was it uh, retaliation? Jealousy?
Speaker 1: Crimes of passion? Which one would you say was the
Speaker 1: biggest influence. Well within within the gang investigations, it was
Speaker 1: always back to just street business. It was just like
Speaker 1: these guys are saying, you know, it's just back and
Speaker 1: forth and back. Just occupational hands, just occupational hazard. But
Speaker 1: there were a lot of those that did happen over
Speaker 1: over some girls. You know, there's some squabbles over a girl,
Speaker 1: she gets in the middle of something. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: these guys are shooting and killing each other. Um, a
Speaker 1: lot of us dope related. You know, he's holding their
Speaker 1: territories and stuff like that. And then of course a
Speaker 1: lot of homicides were domestic, you know, So it all
Speaker 1: depends on what kind of you know, atmosphere we're talking
Speaker 1: about with these murders and a lot of prostitutes get killed,
Speaker 1: occupational hazard and uh so it just really kind of
Speaker 1: depends on what we're talking. So being a uh you know,
Speaker 1: join them the cops, whatever, do you feel being an
Speaker 1: officer that some cases were investigated differently than a lot
Speaker 1: of minority homicides or l a counton or whatever. Were
Speaker 1: their different approaches or effort put into different cases. So
Speaker 1: yes and no. Like the the intent to solve it,
Speaker 1: he's always there, you know. That's what a homicide investigator
Speaker 1: wants to solve his cases. You know, he wants to
Speaker 1: build his resident I want to be known as a
Speaker 1: guy that can solve cases. I care about him because
Speaker 1: I want to solve them either because it's you know it,
Speaker 1: it reflects on how good I am as an investigator. Um,
Speaker 1: most of us are empathetic towards the victims, even if
Speaker 1: they're gangsters. We care about the families and the moms
Speaker 1: and the sisters and wives and all of that. So
Speaker 1: we do. However, to the flip side of that point
Speaker 1: is the resources they go into a high profile murder
Speaker 1: or some kid from USC who's playing football versus a
Speaker 1: guy down and who got shot for linker starts the resources.
Speaker 1: Then the oftentimes all the difference, you know, because these
Speaker 1: investigations get really expensive. So who would be killed? Big
Speaker 1: Tony the pimp, He should gonna go in the cold
Speaker 1: cases because you know, we're trying to saw this ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got pill the book a badass for us. So
Speaker 1: I mean it's like they pick and choose what what
Speaker 1: we really need to go after? Who we really If
Speaker 1: this guy killed the five year old girl and reaped
Speaker 1: the five year old girl, we gotta get him off
Speaker 1: the street, right opposed to us killing each other and
Speaker 1: just mane each other on the round. So it's basically
Speaker 1: these is gonna keep happening. But this cat crossed the
Speaker 1: line raping and killing the fire your child, them in
Speaker 1: the pedophiles. We got to get off of there. Regardless
Speaker 1: how many of these cases we saw, they're gonna keep coming.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's victims and then there's truly any victims.
Speaker 1: Victims part if you're a gangster and you're in that
Speaker 1: game and you're putting yourself into a situation where you're
Speaker 1: likely to get killed, you're contributing to that, you know.
Speaker 1: So so I like a kid who's you know, walking
Speaker 1: home from school and gets hit by straight boy and
Speaker 1: I never understood that part um pain is pain. I
Speaker 1: didn't understand that until my brother Alexon died. Uh, the
Speaker 1: face I saw my mom's, the the way my sister
Speaker 1: and them cried. I mean my mom my mom pain
Speaker 1: was like she was just straight wounded, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And it was like, damn, mona. Was there
Speaker 1: nothing I could say? And I just had to sit
Speaker 1: there and think, like, damn, it's just what I do.
Speaker 1: The people, just the reaction the families get, so you
Speaker 1: gotta look at it. It's the mama's, the unties, the
Speaker 1: the babies, the girlfriends. You affect maybe a thousand lives
Speaker 1: just by one one person, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then we do this over the course of our lives.
Speaker 1: And then when it hit home, you're like, damn, it's
Speaker 1: it's definitely not a victimous crime because I couldn't know.
Speaker 1: I'm imagine losing the child, and I like, you gotta
Speaker 1: think about this. No matter what that person is doing,
Speaker 1: whether he a pamp, gangster or whoever, there's somebody out
Speaker 1: to the love that dude. There's somebody out that the
Speaker 1: love that woman, you know, So it's definitely and That's
Speaker 1: why I think I wanted to talk about it so much.
Speaker 1: We have been talking about over the past two days,
Speaker 1: just talking about this. A lot of unnecessary violence out here,
Speaker 1: and I think, and I don't even feel a shame
Speaker 1: seeing this. I think it's black and black crime. It's
Speaker 1: just worse than anything else. I think black people do
Speaker 1: each other worse than any other. Like, I think we're
Speaker 1: the biggest threat to each other, you know, bigger than
Speaker 1: any police officer, bigger than anybody else. It's just like,
Speaker 1: because when you grow up in these poverty stricken neighborhoods
Speaker 1: and ghettos, and you know, mama on the county getting
Speaker 1: county checks and motherfucker's don't be seeing. It's no hope.
Speaker 1: And then so the first thing you do is go
Speaker 1: join the gang and you start serving and doing all
Speaker 1: that ship, and that's your fucking mentality. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's my brother, that's my brother. But I wasn't taught
Speaker 1: that ship. But being from the being, being from the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: you know why, I can only speak for me. I
Speaker 1: took the hood over family my possible ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And once that once that cat was
Speaker 1: out the picture. It was the hood. It was it
Speaker 1: was the homes too. Took that place that they filled
Speaker 1: that boy for me and watching the older guys, the
Speaker 1: only way you're gonna survive and making in the hood
Speaker 1: is too start paying attention toward's real they're going on,
Speaker 1: and how to react and what fights you pick and choose.
Speaker 1: And it just made it easier going home at night
Speaker 1: and going to sleep, but then wake up at Craig
Speaker 1: and dawn and and get that beer and you're back
Speaker 1: in the hood doing your thing. That was my comfort zone,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So everything that came with
Speaker 1: being a game member, a lot of cats didn't get it.
Speaker 1: A lot of cats didn't get it. A lot of
Speaker 1: people thought a lot of game bankers thought that robbing,
Speaker 1: snatching purses and and and all that that extra ship
Speaker 1: was a part of being a gang member. That's not
Speaker 1: a part of being a game member. Being a part
Speaker 1: of the game and being a gang banger is winning
Speaker 1: your colors to be recognized and to be ready for war,
Speaker 1: and that that that sets you different from everything else
Speaker 1: out there. If you want to go bring in the house,
Speaker 1: that ain't praying on the people that that ain't game members.
Speaker 1: I hated that type of ship because that's not what
Speaker 1: game banging was about, you know what I'm saying, snatching
Speaker 1: the old lady person you need to get your ass for.
Speaker 1: But more fockers was out there doing their thing that way.
Speaker 1: And then come back in the hood down they're sagging
Speaker 1: their pants and they did, and they that it's just
Speaker 1: so different, you know what I'm saying. But the purpose
Speaker 1: of being it don't change the fact that that the
Speaker 1: ship that we did and the things that I know
Speaker 1: I destroyed, you know, being a game member down there's
Speaker 1: something totally different. And as you get older, you you're
Speaker 1: you're looking at ship like man, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And I think, I think God that that I've seen it.
Speaker 1: After Alton was killed, I don't seen a whole lot
Speaker 1: of the homies die. I didn't have him die. My
Speaker 1: arm Kenny tell us, I mean, I watched them tickets
Speaker 1: last brother, But it was nothing like my brother. Seeing
Speaker 1: my brother at a gas station laying there full of holes.
Speaker 1: And when we got in the hospital and seeing this
Speaker 1: ship and and his eyes still open and they won't
Speaker 1: let me touch him through a nutty This is mine, right, here.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I've never been in a
Speaker 1: situation like that, so it was totally different. And what
Speaker 1: kind of interesting It just goes back to we're saying
Speaker 1: like there was a business, but until it wasn't just
Speaker 1: business exactly. We all gotta understand there's a flip side
Speaker 1: to what we're doing, and that usually it takes you
Speaker 1: that direction, the high road or the lower brand feeling.
Speaker 1: It's always that decision. Yeah, you know, and what percentage
Speaker 1: of those cases going solved? Because I think you know,
Speaker 1: I see Mothers on TV and you will hear about
Speaker 1: the detective solved in the case for twenty years agoing
Speaker 1: to Mama's just crying like it's yesterday. I think it's
Speaker 1: that sense of closure, that feeling of closure, you know,
Speaker 1: like Okay, this guy's go be punished for what he did.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's death, because when that guy
Speaker 1: goes to jail, you still go feel it don't bring
Speaker 1: nobody back. What do you think is that you being
Speaker 1: around that situation? Man? What do you think the parents
Speaker 1: go through? Do you think people go through a lot?
Speaker 1: They go through a lot of mental anguish Man, When
Speaker 1: did you guys decide to say this is enough, like
Speaker 1: we can't do nothing, We can't find these guys. Never
Speaker 1: really over with yet. Well, you know, we we try
Speaker 1: to exhaust every avenue of investigation. We try to, you know,
Speaker 1: you use every resource available and exhausted until it either
Speaker 1: goes cold, where you've done everything you can, you just
Speaker 1: can't make it work. You can't get all the you know,
Speaker 1: puzzle pieces to make a picture and see your stuck um.
Speaker 1: At other times, other things get involved. You know, you
Speaker 1: get there's there's you know, there's there's legal parameters and
Speaker 1: in obstacles that you have to overcome. You could sit
Speaker 1: and have really you know what happened. You know that
Speaker 1: maybe that confession was illegally obtained. Now you can't prosecute
Speaker 1: that guy, and so there's it's it's very complicated um scenario.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, you know, the game things were the hardest
Speaker 1: because of just this culture of the people that knew
Speaker 1: what happened aren't going to tell you what happened. They're
Speaker 1: gonna nobody is saying nothing them. It's nest has always
Speaker 1: been in every neighborhood, even in Cleveland where we didn't
Speaker 1: have a gag thing back then. But I heard it's different.
Speaker 1: I heard they've got gangs up there. And though even
Speaker 1: that was young, you was always talked to mind of
Speaker 1: your business. You don't open your mouth up about nobody's stuff,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So something happened, if you
Speaker 1: know the rudy depend on the corner shot, somebody shot
Speaker 1: a trick. You was always talking. I didn't see nothing.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to you. You You don't even want to
Speaker 1: in my neighborhood. You didn't even want to be seen
Speaker 1: talking to the police, you know. I mean, the guy
Speaker 1: had is no pad off back in the day. You
Speaker 1: don't want to be seen talking to because you can
Speaker 1: wind up in a dick somewhere. So if if somebody
Speaker 1: shot your mom in front of you, and and and
Speaker 1: killed your mama right in front of you, and the
Speaker 1: police asked you who did it, what you're gonna tell
Speaker 1: don't I'm not gonna say. I'm saying I don't know
Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna kill that motherfucker myself. I don't
Speaker 1: know who did it. I want to go handle this myself,
Speaker 1: because I do think it's a such thing as hood justice.
Speaker 1: I don't want him to go kich. So it ain't revenge.
Speaker 1: Oh that's yeah, deficially, I'm killing my mom. It's like
Speaker 1: a motherfucker, it's still revenge. I don't kill y y'all flipsis.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell Gregg. I don't know who did it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get me the biggest pistol of the
Speaker 1: fun and go. If I can't get him, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: probably hear everybody else around them. I'm gonna make him
Speaker 1: feel the pain you're talking about, mama. You know in
Speaker 1: a lot of way that that's true justice. And when
Speaker 1: you think about Orlando killing Tupac and you think about poo,
Speaker 1: you're killing big You know, they didn't go jail and
Speaker 1: sit there for years. They got killed on the streets
Speaker 1: in the same way that they know exacted their own
Speaker 1: sense of justice on And so you've got this situation
Speaker 1: like for me, that's perfect justice is an eye for
Speaker 1: an eye. You kill somebody, you need to get killed yourself.
Speaker 1: That's how it works. Is that had to be. And
Speaker 1: there's biblical like to keep one wish that's biblical. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not bothering nobody, Mama own, but if you come
Speaker 1: text one of mine to bring the whole own reason
Speaker 1: Trojans and Smartens and all the motherfucker's ship you kill
Speaker 1: the motherfucker and coming with a thousand ships about I
Speaker 1: got an honest question, Greg, George Floyd, do you think
Speaker 1: there's racism is a two part racism in the police
Speaker 1: depart racist police officers in the police department? And did
Speaker 1: you think what that officer did to George Floyd just
Speaker 1: sitting on his nick was right? No, I can't say
Speaker 1: that I think it was right. Um. I think that
Speaker 1: there was a lot of contributing factors. Though I don't
Speaker 1: think that that in and of itself is what got
Speaker 1: George killed. But I think that there was other things
Speaker 1: going on physiologically obviously that I was on his neck
Speaker 1: way too long, But there was a lot of things
Speaker 1: that contributed to that death. The whole thing was just
Speaker 1: an extremely unfortunate situation. Um. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know shopping. I think this is the pronunciation
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know what that guy's perspective
Speaker 1: is on race. So I don't know that man, So
Speaker 1: I can't speak for him. Obviously, we can speculate or
Speaker 1: he must be racist because he's kneeling on the neck.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I can't I want to elaborate
Speaker 1: on that. I want to take a little bit. I
Speaker 1: don't know the man, and I don't want to elaborate
Speaker 1: on that. Okay, cool, Well we're gonna take a break
Speaker 1: right now. We'll be back with more Gangster chronicles in
Speaker 1: a minute. And we're back with more Gangster chronicles. You
Speaker 1: have something to say before the brigade? Um, I want
Speaker 1: to elaborate on the what James was saying earlier about,
Speaker 1: you know, the George Floyd thing. And my thing is,
Speaker 1: do you feel, as being a former officer, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about how uh you're assigned to different areas?
Speaker 1: You know, how does the process go that gets you
Speaker 1: to patrol minority areas as opposed to going somewhere like
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills or whatever. So how is that, you know,
Speaker 1: uh played out? Because I feel that sometimes you should
Speaker 1: evaluate the officers and get the try to figure out
Speaker 1: who should work certain areas. You should see who has
Speaker 1: the tolerance to deal with motherfucker's like I used to
Speaker 1: be as a youth for James or whatever, because let's
Speaker 1: face it, you send a white guy to the area
Speaker 1: where it's a gang of black niggas and ship like that,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be uprest unless there were certain cops that
Speaker 1: could come through the neighborhood that we knew that we're
Speaker 1: cool as opposed to here comes so and so you
Speaker 1: know we're fitna get fucked with. So how does how
Speaker 1: does that work to where you know a motherfucker might
Speaker 1: have a certain attitude towards but then they elect to
Speaker 1: patrol this area. All right, So I can only speak
Speaker 1: as it applies to mp D because that's my experience. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's relatively random. What you what you do is
Speaker 1: you put in a wish list for where you want
Speaker 1: to work. A lot of us, including myself, you know,
Speaker 1: we wanted to work the places that the we're the
Speaker 1: most action was just because that's the most exciting. I
Speaker 1: want to go where things are happening because I want
Speaker 1: to learn more and have more opportunities to get engaged with,
Speaker 1: you know, police work. I don't want to work in
Speaker 1: a sleepy area and you know, sitting around waiting for
Speaker 1: a burglar alarm to go off. Some of its ladies cats,
Speaker 1: and you know, I wanted to go and learn and
Speaker 1: be you know, I want to do go and engage,
Speaker 1: not in a bad way that I wanted to go
Speaker 1: somewhere where police work was active. And uh, but to
Speaker 1: your question, it's random. You put in a wish list.
Speaker 1: I put in like I want to work Southwest seventy
Speaker 1: seventh and Newton Division. I ended up in a new
Speaker 1: division in South Central, but all three of those divisions
Speaker 1: I put in, we're south Central, and it was just
Speaker 1: because that's where most of the action was happening. And
Speaker 1: as a job, it's more exciting just and honestly it's
Speaker 1: it's more exciting and so you're more challenged. You get
Speaker 1: you know, you have an opportunity to really see what
Speaker 1: you're made of, Like how am I going to behave
Speaker 1: and reacting these kind of different environments that I that
Speaker 1: I wasn't exposed to as a kid. But it's not
Speaker 1: in a nefarious way. It's they're just because I want
Speaker 1: to go and learn and so. But I can also
Speaker 1: to your point though, because I think I know where
Speaker 1: you're kind of going with this, Man, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: some of the African African American cops that I work with,
Speaker 1: they were vicious, probably worse than the Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: it's a really it comes down to the individual. And
Speaker 1: then that's kind of strange, you know, James, because I
Speaker 1: was trying to elaborate on the George Floyd thing and
Speaker 1: shaving and you know, the next situation, and it was
Speaker 1: obvious you was angry to be in that particular area
Speaker 1: of patrolling. This is this is what I believe. I
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, before you start
Speaker 1: your ship till me if I'm wrong. My my thing
Speaker 1: is to come home. But that sets it off as
Speaker 1: soon as you get in that car and you don't
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna face today on the beach, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So you got some officers, all
Speaker 1: officers ain't really equipped for it because everybody got a
Speaker 1: little fear in them when certain things happened, and when
Speaker 1: when certain things happened, you're not thinking just like us,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I'm gonna do my job and I want
Speaker 1: to go home. But what happens if you get into
Speaker 1: situation of shooting or or just because that one person
Speaker 1: had a gun and a lot of cats are being
Speaker 1: shot because there's no, ain't no morning shots. We're gonna
Speaker 1: popped his mother because we ain't gonna give me a
Speaker 1: chance to shoot us. I'm going home at the end
Speaker 1: of the day to my wife. So just like when
Speaker 1: I was speaking about Eric Barradon, he came. He was
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, he was working at the pool. He
Speaker 1: was being pumped, you know what I'm saying. And now
Speaker 1: he's a police officer. Now he has a grudge against
Speaker 1: those that that was punking him. So now, being a
Speaker 1: top I got action to get back at him. And
Speaker 1: then you see that mentality. The mentality is like you said,
Speaker 1: it's random. I could choose them any fucking wearing patrol.
Speaker 1: I'm going back there because I won't be able to
Speaker 1: funk with mother. So again and that no what what
Speaker 1: what happened? I was in a situation. It was a shooting,
Speaker 1: and my stupid as you know, I ain't looking back
Speaker 1: and this and that they were. I'm in a turn
Speaker 1: of lane and catch drove up. We in the situation.
Speaker 1: He's two cars behind me and when when they seen it,
Speaker 1: we hit it. We hit the left. They came right afterwards.
Speaker 1: But bye, But now I'm in jail and it's all
Speaker 1: these police officers in the hold of tank, and they said,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I just caught him. Read had to move.
Speaker 1: You ain't called me doing ship. So he went big
Speaker 1: on me, but by me knowing Eric, you ain't evenna
Speaker 1: hit me, mother funker. I don't even get me his cop.
Speaker 1: And it was fortunate for me that Reggie right was there,
Speaker 1: senior and grabbed me and set my ass down. Do
Speaker 1: you know that? For the whoop your ass up in here?
Speaker 1: And and he had action at that because it's just
Speaker 1: me and jail faced with all these other police officers,
Speaker 1: but just me being me, I had to lash back
Speaker 1: at it. You know what I'm saying, because I know
Speaker 1: Eric is a weenie. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: the badge, how do you like? I can do what
Speaker 1: I want to do? Now I can't get So I
Speaker 1: was faced. The tables turned on me because now in
Speaker 1: your cor he's not a lifeguard, he's a police officer.
Speaker 1: He's with his game now. Okay, So now he got
Speaker 1: asked to take everything that I've been to him and
Speaker 1: get your pa and he hadn't. I can do that.
Speaker 1: So it's I know for a fact that it's police
Speaker 1: officers out there that are are nervous of their jobs,
Speaker 1: So why pick to patrol what? You know? Motherfucker's That's
Speaker 1: actually a great point, and I think if there is
Speaker 1: reform that is probably you gotta do that. You you
Speaker 1: should never be on the work where you are going
Speaker 1: to be encountering people that you got a pure group
Speaker 1: against that you know you shouldn't. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He took it a point like one. He became a cop.
Speaker 1: He know when our greedy and he is over there.
Speaker 1: He grew up over there. He made a deep at
Speaker 1: to fucking choice and when I put this badge on,
Speaker 1: I want to patrol there. So but then again, so
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of probably gonna second guest. I remember
Speaker 1: working with this guy named Andy Thedford, and he grew
Speaker 1: up in the neighborhood that he patrolled, and he was
Speaker 1: a fantastic officer, and he just saw generations of kids,
Speaker 1: you know, over his thirty year career. And because he
Speaker 1: knew his neighborhood and he knew a lot of these kids,
Speaker 1: that's what made him so good is because he had
Speaker 1: an insight that guys like me could never have had, really, right,
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a double edged sword because you
Speaker 1: know you're going back. Yeah, you can have beef with
Speaker 1: people and try to get even using your badge and
Speaker 1: your gun in your authority. At the same time, maybe
Speaker 1: the best guys somebody who understands those neighborhoods better than
Speaker 1: anybody else, which which is good. But he used to
Speaker 1: get his asks. It's not because exactly getting talked. Now,
Speaker 1: what if he would have caught me on a bad
Speaker 1: night walking through the apartment at loss and then he
Speaker 1: pulled me over and then he got me right there
Speaker 1: when they go if he's shoot and killed me, this
Speaker 1: is morb James. This guy is look at his record
Speaker 1: him so everything is gone. It's justified. It's justified. So
Speaker 1: my life didn't mean at this point because now here
Speaker 1: my history is catching up with me. I'm facing a
Speaker 1: cat that I used to get your bit sit your
Speaker 1: bitch now, y'all gonna go, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then now here he is, he can do whatever
Speaker 1: he wants to me, you feel me. So my whole
Speaker 1: point is that you have police officers that that that
Speaker 1: I'm scared when they get out there, they and the
Speaker 1: flowing just like mine everybody is pumped up. Do they
Speaker 1: have that that that Okay, I can handle the situation.
Speaker 1: I know how to handle this situation now. Like Reggie
Speaker 1: Wright Singer, He've been in a whole bunch of situations.
Speaker 1: Half the catch put their ship down and you got
Speaker 1: me red, you know what I'm saying. But the ones
Speaker 1: that done with my ass, I'm not giving up to them.
Speaker 1: I can't surrender to them because I know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen now that up guy beat up so many
Speaker 1: times in the back of the police car or bent
Speaker 1: over that car so many times. Oh he ain't benna
Speaker 1: catch me. He ain't gonna let him get me, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But all police officers ain't bad,
Speaker 1: and you're a prime example of that. But people don't know,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, just like they didn't know
Speaker 1: that area's out here now. But everyone's getting pumped Did
Speaker 1: we put him in the situation? But they don't know
Speaker 1: that he's going where Catch used to do him like this,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And nobody would never know.
Speaker 1: If I want to told the story about the ones
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood exactly, this white killed him. James got
Speaker 1: killed because was scared of him and James Ship. But
Speaker 1: what your police officers, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: my question, greg is and I don't want you to
Speaker 1: I don't want to put you out there like that
Speaker 1: to say. I want you to say it. It's all
Speaker 1: police officers good to be on the force. Do you
Speaker 1: think that every police officer has that training to be
Speaker 1: on the streets. Well, it's certainly not. I mean, you
Speaker 1: look back at some of the examples of guys that
Speaker 1: just within the LAPD that should never have had badges,
Speaker 1: that David Max and the Raphael Presis and the people
Speaker 1: that just had no business doing that, but you know,
Speaker 1: they were there. And we've got to deal with the
Speaker 1: fact that it's the fallible. It's a it's a human institution,
Speaker 1: and there's valiability, and you're gonna have bad seeds, you know,
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, in that profession, you just can't afford to
Speaker 1: have bad seeds because there's so much at stake. And
Speaker 1: you know so, but it's it's never gonna be a
Speaker 1: perfect equation. We can't have robots, we can't get people
Speaker 1: out there that can you know, and and and you
Speaker 1: and and fear is a big factor. And you know
Speaker 1: you brought up you were an environment where being around
Speaker 1: guns and violence and stuff, you could tell their fear
Speaker 1: because you're exposed to it. They have cops that aren't
Speaker 1: exposed to that. All of a sudden encountering that and
Speaker 1: that fear goes, you know, through your veins, and so
Speaker 1: maybe you overreact. It's not necessarily out of like it's
Speaker 1: some bad intention. It's just you overreact with situation that
Speaker 1: you're not fully equipped to deal with because you didn't
Speaker 1: grow up in an environment where guns and violence and
Speaker 1: ship like that with second nature, And now you did.
Speaker 1: That's just like one of the war. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be here, but I'm here, this is
Speaker 1: my job. And then now I'm faced with gang members
Speaker 1: with with guns. I don't know what they got in
Speaker 1: this car, and and I truly believe if I was
Speaker 1: a police officer, I'm gonna walk to the car with
Speaker 1: my hand on my gun because I don't know. That
Speaker 1: part is understandable. But you gotta know when the time
Speaker 1: is right. If you're not ready for the time is right,
Speaker 1: That's why a lot of us is getting killed. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Me and Reggie had an issue
Speaker 1: with how police do certain things. When when you say
Speaker 1: I didn't want to speak, I don't, I don't ask
Speaker 1: questions made you feel if you don't, if you tell
Speaker 1: me something like that, I'm gonna get mad. And now
Speaker 1: you don't pitch me off. Now I'm gonna do this
Speaker 1: and that to you. Now I want to search your card,
Speaker 1: whether you've got license, insurance or whatever. Now I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pull you out and treat you a different kind of way.
Speaker 1: So it's basically, if you ain't kiss in my asses, yes, certainly,
Speaker 1: no shirt. We're gonna have a bad day. Now, what
Speaker 1: happens when you run into that one police officer that
Speaker 1: that's having a bad day and come to work because
Speaker 1: he mattered his wife? You in trouble? Are you just
Speaker 1: running to a game manner that you really feel like,
Speaker 1: I don't care no more. It's like I look at
Speaker 1: the whole situation with police like this is they they
Speaker 1: still human beings, just like you got asshole that might
Speaker 1: live the next door to you, and he might be
Speaker 1: the grocery manager. You grocery manager, ass So that same
Speaker 1: dude come a cop. He's a cop that as so
Speaker 1: now you're doing and I think whenever you have that
Speaker 1: human element, you always go have some kind of room
Speaker 1: for error, because, like you said in the rodbots, like
Speaker 1: um they talked about in the l A County you know,
Speaker 1: um Shaff Department, that it's a game there called executioners.
Speaker 1: There's a big game there. And apparently this guy aust
Speaker 1: Berthrow Gonzalez, you know, he had knowledgely he put it
Speaker 1: an anonymous hip. This dude, we're doing some bad ship.
Speaker 1: He gets a text on his phone, there's a picture
Speaker 1: of the words he's a snacks on the wall. So
Speaker 1: now he's scared for his life because he came and
Speaker 1: dropped the dime. Do you think that this? And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you could talk about that, it's not
Speaker 1: great because I don't know, you've got a cold. You
Speaker 1: steal the police officer, you can be you know, telling
Speaker 1: them nobody. But how big is that in the law
Speaker 1: enforcement like gangs and stuffing from the police department. Well,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't for me because that turn gangs is a
Speaker 1: specific thing. You know, there's a definition for gangs and
Speaker 1: it doesn't apply under these situations. And so let's say groups, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there are groups. So there are these cliques or
Speaker 1: brotherhoods or these you know, these kind of fraternal um
Speaker 1: type of mentalities, they definitely exist and just like they
Speaker 1: do in the military, and you know, so we do
Speaker 1: kind of align ourselves under this life when we listen,
Speaker 1: I got your back. We're gonna be in this together.
Speaker 1: We're facing all these you know, these these uh different situations.
Speaker 1: But it's not they're not gangs because the gangs means
Speaker 1: a particular thing to me. Right there's a definition for
Speaker 1: what a gag is and it doesn't apply to that um.
Speaker 1: But certainly this idea that you know, we need to
Speaker 1: get these certain tattoos to identify ourselves as part of
Speaker 1: this you know station, because that's one of the things
Speaker 1: that l A County had a big you know, ordeals
Speaker 1: like why are these guys having these tattoos put on themselves? See,
Speaker 1: then it starts to get it's then it starts to
Speaker 1: fulfill those qualifications of what a game and what a
Speaker 1: gain is. And that's what I was gonna say, because
Speaker 1: you know, they said that these guys had matching school tattoos,
Speaker 1: and people in the community see as as a criminal
Speaker 1: gang within law enforcement, you know, because they understand what
Speaker 1: people's ask because I'll tell you. And this is why
Speaker 1: I had to escalated. You know, sitting in between two
Speaker 1: you know, you get off the seventh m the one
Speaker 1: or five they're going to seventeen, and seventeen is closed off.
Speaker 1: So I wound up getting off on like Atlantic or
Speaker 1: something like that. So I'm going in Atlantic, you know,
Speaker 1: to go back to the crib. I get pulled over
Speaker 1: and these dude snacks baby seats on the back of
Speaker 1: the car. I'm sitting on the curb and they pretty
Speaker 1: much told me if we're don't find nothing, you can go.
Speaker 1: I have some you know speakers. You know you got
Speaker 1: your big speakers back in the day. They punched a
Speaker 1: hole of my speakers, and well, we're trying to find
Speaker 1: like it's pretty much tork my stuff up right. I
Speaker 1: asked to do it for his badge number, you know,
Speaker 1: like I need your name and your badge. Remember, he
Speaker 1: was just like, you don't need ship, you body, just
Speaker 1: hope we don't find ship. And that was that. They
Speaker 1: sent me on my way and I felt real like
Speaker 1: not not sign no pussy, but I don't feel fold.
Speaker 1: I said, man, these dudes just don't pretty much pulled
Speaker 1: me up a punk. You don't talk my ship, but
Speaker 1: they can't do it. And hi yo, that's normal sucking
Speaker 1: wear and tearing here. Well I found that out there.
Speaker 1: You have to remember this later on life, but not
Speaker 1: to just be on the booze ship. I don't even
Speaker 1: look like I'm you know, I'm brought it back. I'm
Speaker 1: coming back from the nigga in fucking little Langwood and
Speaker 1: a fucking Catalan truck. Is that they rite your profile?
Speaker 1: Is you are profiled forecatching the car, chew, catching the car,
Speaker 1: hats on leaning music. Let's see what they got. Nine
Speaker 1: times out of ten they found something, because that's how
Speaker 1: you roll it, find it. They's always have a gun
Speaker 1: on them. No, wait a minute, they already know that.
Speaker 1: But we don't switch it up. You know, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, we did because we had the
Speaker 1: females following us with all the goodies. But we're rolling cool.
Speaker 1: So when they pull us over, you got your license
Speaker 1: and bad they pull you out. They put you in
Speaker 1: the back seat of their car. They searched the car.
Speaker 1: Y'all going to row, we check off shoot and see
Speaker 1: that's the legal in itself, because when they wanted all
Speaker 1: of them you're not supposed to do that. We know,
Speaker 1: but you ain't supposed to know that you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to do They're not talking about said, dude, you just
Speaker 1: can't just go on my ship shots and know what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do. They the due shut out and that
Speaker 1: the whole situation is what I'm trying to say is
Speaker 1: they do that not to disrespect, but they do that
Speaker 1: because you are nigga dumb from Compton Long Beech with
Speaker 1: you ain't supposed to all that. It ain't supposed to
Speaker 1: be talking about. You can go in my glove compartment.
Speaker 1: That's illegal search and siege. You ain't supposed to know that.
Speaker 1: And you can say about of hammering there A good
Speaker 1: lawyer's gonna be the case because I love I left
Speaker 1: the middle of that. I look, it was all It's
Speaker 1: just lucked, right, had the key to it was just
Speaker 1: lucking dude Twarter like true, you know I'm locking a
Speaker 1: death strong He twitter shot up like like what is he? Like?
Speaker 1: What's looking for something? And it wasn't no expection. The
Speaker 1: explanation and why I got pulled over, It was just
Speaker 1: you get over sitting the curve. Then you know it's
Speaker 1: like this and another time I had to do that. Um,
Speaker 1: he was out writing tickets. This is when I stayed
Speaker 1: in orph Long Beach. Right, he was up there right tickets, right.
Speaker 1: And so he told my car for being this much
Speaker 1: like a little inch over in the red right eve
Speaker 1: until it he gave me a ticket. Right, I'll see
Speaker 1: it some smart ship. Because he was sitting up, you know,
Speaker 1: sitting a smart street. I rolled by and I pulled
Speaker 1: out like up. I said, hey, I'm gonna get some donuts.
Speaker 1: You want something. I was stupid. I should have did
Speaker 1: that ship. The next day, this motherfucker knocked on my door.
Speaker 1: I pulled up to the house to go get my wife, right,
Speaker 1: because we just want to get our son. You know,
Speaker 1: my mother loves us. And he said, by the way,
Speaker 1: that you thought you had a women for your arrest,
Speaker 1: And that motherfucker said something like ten And I said
Speaker 1: for what? And I said, he said, you have a
Speaker 1: warrant from arrest from nine nine two. I said, he
Speaker 1: was a damn I wasn't even driving from nine. It
Speaker 1: was a ticket to turn to a warrant, right, And
Speaker 1: the things said, Norman Steam. This dude took me down
Speaker 1: a jail man. That's when I realized right there, I said,
Speaker 1: she just for the inconvenienced that you caused him when
Speaker 1: you could have been cool. Actually thought that that was
Speaker 1: you had a warrant Norman Stein. I wasn't even getting
Speaker 1: nothing to them. It don't matter out here. The mentality
Speaker 1: when I when I was growing up in the hood,
Speaker 1: that was normal ship. I could be riding by my
Speaker 1: motherfuck himself and he was ready to bust a left
Speaker 1: or right, and as soon as the motherfucker make eye
Speaker 1: contact with me and some of that, and you could
Speaker 1: be clean. No dope, no whatever, it don't matter. Get
Speaker 1: your ass out, sit on the curve and let me
Speaker 1: tear up everything. And then when I don't find nothing,
Speaker 1: you thank me my fun. But you gotta look at it.
Speaker 1: You like this, say, being in the hood, they know
Speaker 1: who you are. You already profiled exactly. Anybody that signed
Speaker 1: that we know who you is. So when they see you,
Speaker 1: they already know what type of person you is. They
Speaker 1: we just might find someone this due today nine times.
Speaker 1: I've to tend that's what they're going on. Exactly half
Speaker 1: of the half of the ship that we do getting
Speaker 1: fished off. We know we can't win. I learned this
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Just say, okay, you just keep
Speaker 1: your hands on the car, don't put your hands in
Speaker 1: your pocket. That's a sign, that's the gesture that what
Speaker 1: the fun you're doing talking ship to him? Ain't finna
Speaker 1: get you nowhere? Nine times out of chin is a
Speaker 1: small infraction, change into get your ashwood kicked on the
Speaker 1: ground the whole night. When all I had to do
Speaker 1: is just go back. When I tell you that them
Speaker 1: dudes that came back to the crib right because he's
Speaker 1: taking me outside and I'm telling them, dude, I wasn't
Speaker 1: here in college because I came here in eight with
Speaker 1: the long bat City College, got a scholarship somewhere, and
Speaker 1: I'm over there during that time, you know, the second
Speaker 1: two years. So I'm like, I wasn't even here, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So hey, gonna tell me I
Speaker 1: got a warmth my risk. But when I tell you
Speaker 1: whatever he was from that microphone, this is about forty
Speaker 1: motherfucker's poplished They had me some let me have a problem,
Speaker 1: reach play do the cool up. I saw this point
Speaker 1: through this. He was just waiting with timass up like
Speaker 1: a pin young. So you're seeing this whole scenario through
Speaker 1: with your eyes. That guy doesn't know that you weren't here.
Speaker 1: In his mind, he's just processing information, trying to make
Speaker 1: you know, try trying to make sense of it all,
Speaker 1: and he might think this warrant is yours, so he
Speaker 1: has to go through a certain procedure. He doesn't know
Speaker 1: you weren't here. You know you weren't here. And that
Speaker 1: makes sense to you when they when they call it
Speaker 1: a certain warrant or whatever, the hype, the weight and
Speaker 1: everything shows up. Yeah, it should the warrant that you know,
Speaker 1: if it's a ten year old warrant, how much can
Speaker 1: change in ten years just hype. Well no, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that that those things need to be taken in consideration.
Speaker 1: If I pulled you over and it says five ten,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, clearly there's a problem here, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm already gonna be like this probably isn't you.
Speaker 1: But if there are consistencies that I have to go
Speaker 1: through the process. If because I can't to whom he's
Speaker 1: telling me the truth? Ticket and up man, this misty.
Speaker 1: But it was inconvenient with me because I had to
Speaker 1: build up I never got that money back. But that's
Speaker 1: what it was. It was inconvenience, just as smart as
Speaker 1: the other day by rolling by showing your bank I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm gonna say that we have enough stuff
Speaker 1: that we can do, or we're not gonna spend a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of time just trying to inconvenience you because
Speaker 1: we can go out and do our job, find other
Speaker 1: things to do. To take you to the station and
Speaker 1: find out that it's not really you, that's a pain
Speaker 1: in the ass. Yeah, but I see that's coming from
Speaker 1: a cop like you, who's on the up and up,
Speaker 1: a motherfucker like the dude that y'all used to punk,
Speaker 1: and the motherfucker that you're showing your bank roll too.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find a reason to funk with you, straight up.
Speaker 1: It got nothing to do with it. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: we got plenty of fucking ships we could be doing.
Speaker 1: Then the fucking with you. But you want to be
Speaker 1: an asshole, and I want ready in this this this
Speaker 1: element of bangers and drug dealers and motherfucker's I don't
Speaker 1: really get down with. So the colde is motherfucker shut
Speaker 1: up and don't say ship because I'm just an asshole.
Speaker 1: I see your cars in the red by ten inches.
Speaker 1: I could be like him and be like, hey, move
Speaker 1: your car, or I could be like his cop and
Speaker 1: go you got ticket, And then when you want to
Speaker 1: come by and go yeah, I'm going to go get
Speaker 1: some done nuts. Okay, motherfucker. I'm gonna get on my
Speaker 1: computer and find the motherfucker that fits your description and
Speaker 1: close to you, and I'm coming back and take your
Speaker 1: asking to do. I know it ain't You're fuck if
Speaker 1: I ain't, I know it ain't you. But the inconvenience
Speaker 1: that pulled you out of that motherfucker because you're doing
Speaker 1: all of this now, convenience asking goes spend that ship
Speaker 1: on the bail. When I tell you that this dude
Speaker 1: drove by my house all the time, Me and mother me,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like a ticket picture of the world. He's
Speaker 1: right like this, just me, mother like this. Anything, let's
Speaker 1: do something's there. I can do some far rob Man
Speaker 1: and I would tickets askew to you and sit you
Speaker 1: right back down. Keep one of the crests and I'm
Speaker 1: not looking at them. So y'all got it, y'all ask
Speaker 1: what's the color? I used to go in the house
Speaker 1: and open the windows, rolling windows out to break your
Speaker 1: bit chests in here. I used to make up the man, mother,
Speaker 1: come on in our dare you well, come on outside, James,
Speaker 1: and let's let's talk. Do you think I'm stupid? I
Speaker 1: used to them all the time. They came to my
Speaker 1: house and uh, talking about I just did a robbery,
Speaker 1: and uh we out there part of this When I
Speaker 1: had parties every every weekend. They told me I had
Speaker 1: to shut it down. I don't have a license for it, man,
Speaker 1: and put the locker on the gate. Everybody inside with
Speaker 1: y'all talking. They came back, said it was Robbie. I
Speaker 1: pit the description. They went in the house, they found
Speaker 1: two pistols and they wouldn't mine, but they found the
Speaker 1: two pistols, and uh, I go to jail and Reggie said,
Speaker 1: this ain't it? What what what are you in there for?
Speaker 1: And that was one good thing about Reggie right Sen,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I totally don't fit
Speaker 1: the description of these more focuses, but I had police
Speaker 1: officers just just didn't like me. And Regie right said,
Speaker 1: that's a good example for a guy who who worked
Speaker 1: where he lived community police. And that was a good thing.
Speaker 1: That's why I think that should be you know, sort
Speaker 1: of uh inherited into motherfucker's joining the force or whatever.
Speaker 1: I need to know why you want to patrol in
Speaker 1: Compton being who you are? But is that contradicted because
Speaker 1: the brother police officers, black police officers, they was harder
Speaker 1: than the white boys because a lot of them was pumped. Asked,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's and now they want to come back to a
Speaker 1: place where they can pump. The next he had a
Speaker 1: lot of friends. Motherfucker grow up and get his ass
Speaker 1: kid getting puffed and can't get it to motherfucker set
Speaker 1: your ass down. You can't get the pool right there
Speaker 1: that I would grow up and I'm ana join the force.
Speaker 1: And when they asked me where I want to patrol
Speaker 1: like Louis Park is why I want to God never,
Speaker 1: the first thing I do with I put that badge
Speaker 1: over want. I just mean, I'm wanting down this motherfucker's
Speaker 1: I'm going down your street, right down. They in my car,
Speaker 1: and I don't have been cooking up in the six phone.
Speaker 1: Motherfucking dates they got come it down that mother coke
Speaker 1: r And I'm just rolling looking at your ass in
Speaker 1: the front yard like every would have had to do
Speaker 1: what he had to do if that would have ever happened,
Speaker 1: because I ain't gonna let him pump me, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But he probably gonna you know, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't got it. He when he got it that he
Speaker 1: didn't get it in best use window. He is like,
Speaker 1: excuse when it was totally against me. And and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't give him that satisfaction. I couldn't. I wouldn't give
Speaker 1: a funk if I was scared as fun because I
Speaker 1: know they've feenl with my ask. I couldn't give him that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's crazy. You can give him that satisfaction, you know. Great.
Speaker 1: I want to get back to the murders real quick
Speaker 1: because it's a couple of but I'm really trying to
Speaker 1: find out man, it's why it's California murder rate so
Speaker 1: high compared to these other places. But what I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you, I wanted to go back to one
Speaker 1: of real famous one that men have happened not too
Speaker 1: long ago, Rest of peace, Nipsey Hustle. What did you
Speaker 1: think about that whole thing? But again, so this goes
Speaker 1: back to the idea that you know, if you have
Speaker 1: a high profile name, you're gonna get more resources dumped
Speaker 1: into the investigative effort. And so because he was somebody
Speaker 1: that was a notable figure, and um, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure to solve that. A lot of you know,
Speaker 1: it went to robbery homicide. You Otherwise, if it's just
Speaker 1: a random gangster, would have stayed division or with the
Speaker 1: homicide investigators who are already taxed because they've got a
Speaker 1: bunch of other homicides to investigate. Right, So then it
Speaker 1: goes to a specialized you know like Robert Homicide division
Speaker 1: where they can just dump tons of resources and mappower
Speaker 1: into it. And so that's why you know, he got
Speaker 1: salved relatively quickly. Um, and is my whole partner, Darren
Speaker 1: Depre you know, worked on that case, and if he
Speaker 1: worked on Pop Smoke and uh, you know you And
Speaker 1: when you say the resources that are provided, is that financial,
Speaker 1: it's not? Just so basically, yeah, the money basically falls
Speaker 1: where the high profile case goes, right As opposed to
Speaker 1: Mipsy being just a regular homie from sixties got popped,
Speaker 1: nobody's offering fifty thou dollar rewards for information. There's no
Speaker 1: money for getting up on emergency wire taps, which are
Speaker 1: really expensive pain informants. There's a whole bunch of different
Speaker 1: avenues of investigation that call money that you're not going
Speaker 1: to spend on. Just some hold on, I'm let me
Speaker 1: go back to the paying informance, so that those two
Speaker 1: dudes who make a living like a much how much informance?
Speaker 1: How much the performance get Well, if you're a federal
Speaker 1: informat if you're working for one of the you know,
Speaker 1: the d A or the FBI, you're making pretty good
Speaker 1: money because they have you know, they have a deeper
Speaker 1: pockets and lap d informat If you're buying dope, you're
Speaker 1: just you're barely making enough to get through the week,
Speaker 1: you know. So it just really depends on what type
Speaker 1: of work you're doing and for who. So they has
Speaker 1: got a budget, is that what they do with all
Speaker 1: the dope that they sees when that money comes up?
Speaker 1: Miss when they took that money. So there's so if
Speaker 1: you're an informant working for the d e A and
Speaker 1: you you know, assistant an investigation that leads to a
Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars and assid forfacer asked that forfeit your seizures,
Speaker 1: you know you're you are potentially entitled to of that
Speaker 1: what they see. Really, so if you sees stuff, you
Speaker 1: are the informative thing is that busses, the Tony Montanas
Speaker 1: and the mansions and the rolls races and all that money.
Speaker 1: So you can you can actually live and get you
Speaker 1: buy your own and if you get you go stitch
Speaker 1: it on the big top. Butfuckers getting your tempers say
Speaker 1: confession what you that's crazy. But the money that that
Speaker 1: that the government sees, they take that money and put
Speaker 1: it right back into that's the resources that they have
Speaker 1: goes back in the drug enforcement operations. So it just
Speaker 1: funds out because it's super expensive. You're getting up on
Speaker 1: a wire tap, you know, Um you're all these monitors
Speaker 1: and all of these people that are typing things. It's
Speaker 1: really expensive. So why does they say they broke and
Speaker 1: they don't They don't have researchers to go after this
Speaker 1: person and that person. When every case they have in season,
Speaker 1: cars and houses and all that which are sold, that
Speaker 1: money goes on the dollar. By the way, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff isn't sold for what it's
Speaker 1: actually worth. The government doesn't want to be taxed, can help,
Speaker 1: you know, they don't want to. It makes them look
Speaker 1: get rid of this. Yeah, and so it's it's sold
Speaker 1: for much less than it's actually worth. And then but
Speaker 1: if they're if they're just actual you know, cash seizures.
Speaker 1: You know, if you stumble one a million dollars, you know,
Speaker 1: most of that just goes right back into the process
Speaker 1: of investigating, goes right back to feed the effort. You know,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of that money come and missing
Speaker 1: before they even hit the station too, because again you've
Speaker 1: got the human element, you know what I mean. You know,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the pop smoke thing. Um. With technology, man,
Speaker 1: are you think the police department is seeing more people
Speaker 1: like with the pop smoke incident? He was on Instagram?
Speaker 1: You know, the location is one that's what people don't
Speaker 1: know when you put a picture up sometimes if you're
Speaker 1: don't have your settings on the phone or right away,
Speaker 1: if somebody got the right software, they can tell where
Speaker 1: you took the picture of. It gets even more interesting
Speaker 1: than that. Like it's called deal fencing. And what happens
Speaker 1: is if there's a crime scene and the police department
Speaker 1: has the capability of putting a fence around a certain
Speaker 1: vicinity and they can capture everything that's getting tweeted, everything
Speaker 1: that's getting Facebook, everything that's being communicated is in seeking
Speaker 1: then digital if if if some witness from their windows
Speaker 1: season murder bill downs just man, I just saw that guy,
Speaker 1: and then they can go and talk to her. You
Speaker 1: tweeted this out, You just tweeted this out. Did you
Speaker 1: actually see this or not? You know? And sometimes it's
Speaker 1: like now I didn't. So do they do that just
Speaker 1: randomly or it happens when a crime seem happens. It
Speaker 1: happens when it's a crime scene of significant significant So
Speaker 1: they can put up a digital fence and basically go back.
Speaker 1: It's just like reading a cell tower going in, being going.
Speaker 1: So they can put up this fence in this perimeter
Speaker 1: and just basically just start pulling up everything from the
Speaker 1: last five hours anyway. And I hope the kids out
Speaker 1: here here all this, you know, because the thing he
Speaker 1: was like, I tell people today, man, it's almost impossible
Speaker 1: to get away with some shot. It's almost impossible because
Speaker 1: the thing he was, if you go smoke somebody, you
Speaker 1: haven't have your cell phone in your pocket and they
Speaker 1: asked you where were you having this? And you talked
Speaker 1: about man, I was in Corona doing this and they said, well,
Speaker 1: we have your cell phone, you know, being tracked on
Speaker 1: on each side of the company, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and that night, so it's almost impossible, man, because the
Speaker 1: way they got Pop smoked. Man. You know, he was
Speaker 1: in Beverley Hills and the door got kicked in. And
Speaker 1: now see I looked at that as something they was
Speaker 1: coming to get him directly, because they didn't take nothing, nothing,
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't still nothing, So it wasn't like
Speaker 1: it was just a regular home invasion robbery. They didn't
Speaker 1: take ship, They left all the jury when they just
Speaker 1: want to kill him. Let me tell you something, a
Speaker 1: lot of these cats were being killed. It's inside ship.
Speaker 1: If you welcome with a stack of money. If you're
Speaker 1: hanging out with a stack of money and you ain't
Speaker 1: spreading that stack of money amongst us, somebody out of
Speaker 1: that five or somebody out of that group period is
Speaker 1: gonna set you up. That's a money racks. Man. We
Speaker 1: can eat up that before we could do who who
Speaker 1: what that? That's all that happened to him, And and
Speaker 1: the majority of them want buckers. See we do the
Speaker 1: ship to each other once again. So that's all that
Speaker 1: happens you out here, just like the little cat that
Speaker 1: was in and he had these eighty racks on him
Speaker 1: and he checking pictures and all of this, and they
Speaker 1: gathered bet five thousand, vet ten thousand. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: they He had eighties sitting there, sitting there, and he
Speaker 1: still got a backpack full of money. You don't know
Speaker 1: me from jack now. If I was like tways twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, it over gotta being on the phone. Get
Speaker 1: up here right hey, my nigga, I'm about I'm about
Speaker 1: to go, but just right here and getting here with
Speaker 1: a hunted in the back, we pick the flow show
Speaker 1: and show what we've got going on. You got cats.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember you got people out here that of
Speaker 1: starting brothers out here that we'll get you for that paper.
Speaker 1: So if you if you're profiling like that, and then
Speaker 1: you you on you on Instagram, you're on Facebook, you're
Speaker 1: going live. They know you right there, they know what
Speaker 1: you think. It goes back to the to the just
Speaker 1: what I was saying, like the other day, Um, when
Speaker 1: I grew up, we had a certain code of but
Speaker 1: not flossiness. He feel me today. It's the main stay
Speaker 1: for the young cats. All of them do it just
Speaker 1: money to the ear, the two million dollars of ice on,
Speaker 1: you know, because to them that represents respect from other motherfucker's.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. In our days, the respect
Speaker 1: came from who you was and which you could do
Speaker 1: with these or he was in the period and give
Speaker 1: a funk. You didn't have to be. I didn't have
Speaker 1: to be the big time fucking drug dealer nigga. Don nigga,
Speaker 1: no need period, you give me. That's the respect we had.
Speaker 1: That Kemper's in the T shirt. That's it. We didn't
Speaker 1: have to remember. Let me go to the this motherfucker
Speaker 1: to swap me and buy me up a gang of
Speaker 1: Turkish ropes and do all. We had a few drug
Speaker 1: dealers and ballers who did that ship before the majority
Speaker 1: niggas had names as a whole. Who they are. We
Speaker 1: now to respect code and who you demand. If you
Speaker 1: show up with a billion chains on and then you're
Speaker 1: taking pictures with the phone to your ear and you
Speaker 1: get me like like my nigga, James said, it's nigga's
Speaker 1: still starving in Compton. It's a nigga next to you starving.
Speaker 1: You might have bought it that the outfit gutting some
Speaker 1: shoes that look like you and that's their homie. But
Speaker 1: he ain't got the fucking tents in his pocket. And
Speaker 1: you're sitting over here with fucking fucking half a million
Speaker 1: in your laughing like this. That causes jealousy. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: but this story has ended them, story James, this story
Speaker 1: has ended No. Um, he was up in the game,
Speaker 1: little fat boy. Um James talked to him and told
Speaker 1: him to be careful. I'll talked to him. He showed
Speaker 1: me a little nine million media in his back. Well,
Speaker 1: I got some o g somebody coming here and I said, man,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna do shoot. I said, I know some
Speaker 1: motherfucker's that come here with a twin too, to lay
Speaker 1: everybody down in this motherfucker before somebody they just blended
Speaker 1: in because it's people. They don't know if they with us,
Speaker 1: We don't know if people to other people. So that
Speaker 1: somebody being there just blending and I know the body
Speaker 1: and I take this, my motherfucker get hit once motherfucker
Speaker 1: here that pup. Everybody gonna get the scattering and everybody
Speaker 1: will get the phone on the flooring ship because they've
Speaker 1: nobody in there outside you know us go do they
Speaker 1: gonna fall on the floor? And I said, you could
Speaker 1: lose your life. I said, I called somebody right now
Speaker 1: and tell him the plump here hit me in the
Speaker 1: here to make it look good. You know what we got?
Speaker 1: He left there. Oh yeah, a week after that man
Speaker 1: left there, he was in DC gambling. There was online
Speaker 1: all on camera. He was in DC gambling, got killed.
Speaker 1: And when I tell you I got killed, it was
Speaker 1: on there. Then he had guns like they were showing off.
Speaker 1: They look good and stuff. Dude try to pull the
Speaker 1: a K off the back of the car and went
Speaker 1: to shooting, and he didn't know what the hell he
Speaker 1: was doing. And you get saw him backing up and
Speaker 1: there was some dudes whoever the mother dude, Well, they
Speaker 1: knew what they were doing because due was just backing up.
Speaker 1: I saw the one dude dropped the a K and
Speaker 1: getting shot up in the back, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because he didn't know who they used it. They had
Speaker 1: all these tools, but didn't know what they used. But
Speaker 1: he died out there in DC behind the same thing
Speaker 1: shooting dice because somebody said, it's the motherfucker up here.
Speaker 1: With a bag of money. Come and get this motherfucker ship.
Speaker 1: I'll be the nigger right there with you gambling and
Speaker 1: go like ship. They got back the motherfucker money, and
Speaker 1: that can paint happening to lay down right now? This
Speaker 1: ship and and and and and for real, this this
Speaker 1: is nothing new. And this is how we've been doing
Speaker 1: each other from the beginning, when the dog came, when
Speaker 1: the dome came, and that certain individual came up. And
Speaker 1: you're still doing the twenties and the buying them fifty packs. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm wasting my time. Now you've got the homies kicking it.
Speaker 1: Homie didn't got killed. They have stole took everything inside John,
Speaker 1: So we do the ship to ourselves and then now
Speaker 1: here we have black lives matter. Why the hell is
Speaker 1: we getting mad? And I'm gonna keep saying this on
Speaker 1: every show. Why are we getting mad when the police
Speaker 1: we were supposed to but why we ain't trying to
Speaker 1: fix the ship ourselves instead of saying, okay, the police
Speaker 1: were killing each other more than they're doing it. But
Speaker 1: it don't make it right that they're doing it. But
Speaker 1: let's be mad at ourselves first. We can't fix nothing.
Speaker 1: Blaming everybody else and and and we've gonna get that going.
Speaker 1: And this is where we're at because we've been doing
Speaker 1: this ship from the beginning of time, exactly doing each
Speaker 1: other from the beginning of the time. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: still some jealousy. Um, I can't stand and see why
Speaker 1: the fund did he make it as a rapper? Fuck him?
Speaker 1: Who the fund do he think he is? And you
Speaker 1: could be coming back just on some regular degulous stuff,
Speaker 1: just coming back to see your people. You know, you
Speaker 1: missed the neighborhood. You're coming back to hang out with
Speaker 1: some friends. Right, they're same people looking at you, like,
Speaker 1: who the fun he was? He came to show up,
Speaker 1: look at his chain, and you might not be be
Speaker 1: thinking about that, you know what I mean. But that's
Speaker 1: why I said, that's the mentality of the motherfucker who
Speaker 1: hasn't succeeded or who's still in the neighborhood with that mentality.
Speaker 1: And I said, I got ship motherfucker's today from that.
Speaker 1: Some of the some of us, we'll never get out
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. No a fact, some of us truly believed
Speaker 1: that I'm stuck. I don't want no different don't see
Speaker 1: no difference. Don't want to go nowhere. And that's the
Speaker 1: crazy part about it. Man, I was happy to get
Speaker 1: up out of here. You know what I'm saying, You
Speaker 1: get tired of it. But some cats, like the older cats,
Speaker 1: like older than me. If you're still in the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: you can't knock him for still been in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Because I didn't have a they don't. They didn't have
Speaker 1: a No, I'm still to make a phone call to him. Man,
Speaker 1: I want to do a show. I want to do this.
Speaker 1: They didn't have a grad Katie to say, Man, you
Speaker 1: have an interesting story. Man, you want to go to Australia?
Speaker 1: What austrated? Damn. I don't think I'm gonna be able
Speaker 1: to get a passport, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: we don't everybody don't get those outs, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So everything is gonna still be what it is.
Speaker 1: But we gotta get inside the neighborhood and then get
Speaker 1: at the little youngsters and say, come on, man, this
Speaker 1: ain't what y'all doing. That's why we're doing the podcast.
Speaker 1: So let to inform those that I think it's cool
Speaker 1: to be a gamest in all of that that's not
Speaker 1: what's happening here. You got n C eight. He didn't
Speaker 1: did his thing in bad? Should he have somebody chargeting
Speaker 1: him because oh man, I know he got a lot
Speaker 1: of money. No, come on, man, don't cheer me down
Speaker 1: because you you don't want it, you know what exactly.
Speaker 1: And it's almost like subconsciously somebody is looking at you
Speaker 1: and blaming you for their misfortune. Kind yeah, that happened,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's like in their head they've justified
Speaker 1: that man who the funks ain't think he was up
Speaker 1: there talking. Man, I'd be a more ship than he did,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like, you know, people
Speaker 1: are crazy. Our jealousy and envy within our own people
Speaker 1: is being at it all time. Huh. And I never
Speaker 1: cared that. Like James said, Um, a lot of people
Speaker 1: want to blame the police, and of course it's wrong
Speaker 1: to be in uh, George Floyd's situation or for Yanna
Speaker 1: Bailer or anybody that we feel that may have lost
Speaker 1: their lives by you know, police brutality or whatever. But
Speaker 1: then it again, like he said, we've been gang banging
Speaker 1: for years, smoking each other bloods and cripts and the essay,
Speaker 1: homies have been in in thean the brown and the
Speaker 1: minorities in the Asian game, and we've been killing each
Speaker 1: other before. Black lives matter. So I understand people want
Speaker 1: to rally behind something, you understand. You know that's how
Speaker 1: we I feel. We are as a people too, you know,
Speaker 1: our Niggers are as a people. You know, you do something,
Speaker 1: come out. We all flocked to that ship. You give
Speaker 1: me the latest trend. We flocked. You know, we all
Speaker 1: gotta do this ship all every and look for somebody
Speaker 1: to blame. But like you said, motherfuckering go tomorrow and
Speaker 1: smoke up the next nigger from the enemy hood across
Speaker 1: the street. And we don't have no marches. You know,
Speaker 1: we might got a little a couple of moms out
Speaker 1: there who grieve and a couple of but for the
Speaker 1: most part, it's ordinary. Um. And this is my honest opinion,
Speaker 1: because in every neighborhood you still have some ogs who
Speaker 1: give a damn the dude that don't been the pin
Speaker 1: for a long time. Yeah, and this don't make no sense.
Speaker 1: This don't make no sense. What's going on? If you
Speaker 1: had them, dude, start holding on court to the idiot
Speaker 1: that getting the car out in the car and just
Speaker 1: start randomly shooting at people, kill four or five kids.
Speaker 1: I bet you if they had to deal with those people.
Speaker 1: Man on cercait a certain kind of level. You do
Speaker 1: some dumb ship over here, we go discipline your grass,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I bet you all that
Speaker 1: ship because this is different kind of keep it in
Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, keeping the house motherfucker's king, But that
Speaker 1: the younctions out here today and respecting the o G s,
Speaker 1: they don't they don't done it. If they don't have
Speaker 1: it how we had it when we grew up, they're
Speaker 1: kill o G. Then you got some ogs don't want
Speaker 1: to deal with these young because they might have to
Speaker 1: kill one of these new cats, not even back in jail,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's kind of like, uh,
Speaker 1: flip side to it, because if I get involved with
Speaker 1: these new cats and they ain't listening to me, they
Speaker 1: already know him, gonna knock him upside the head. Now
Speaker 1: I knocked him ups out of the head, And now
Speaker 1: I gotta worry about the slow cat coming back and
Speaker 1: popping out the bushes and shooting, you know, because damn
Speaker 1: so coming back exactly so it's it's just a you
Speaker 1: need more than a big homie in the hood. You
Speaker 1: need cats like like you have the East Coast and
Speaker 1: all of these other where's a lot of them seven
Speaker 1: six whatever. You need all them cats to get together
Speaker 1: and then get at each other. Everybody gotta come a
Speaker 1: one in the neighborhood and then say what went man.
Speaker 1: You have to be active to stop it. You have
Speaker 1: to be the big homie in the hood that's with
Speaker 1: it to stop it, not an o g that's kicking
Speaker 1: it with his wife. And now, I mean, y'all just
Speaker 1: seeing how we used to do and you can't have
Speaker 1: it like that. You gotta have somebody that was active,
Speaker 1: like really in there to be a part of that
Speaker 1: instead of the way Nipsey did it. And if she
Speaker 1: was involved in everything and everybody in it. And you
Speaker 1: know half of those half of those cats didn't like
Speaker 1: the way he was doing certain ships. So you was
Speaker 1: you're gonna run into some resistance. But you have to
Speaker 1: do it like in the hood. You gotta be in
Speaker 1: the hood. You gotta really be with it for those
Speaker 1: little cats to understand and respect you, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and respect the game. So me personally. Me,
Speaker 1: I say, knock him off, get him out of the way,
Speaker 1: because they don't want to listen. But you'll be killing
Speaker 1: them everybody. Yeah, then you kind of like a kind
Speaker 1: of um hypocritical thing is seeing a black black crime,
Speaker 1: but the little homies is disappearing, you know, So like
Speaker 1: I see your point. Um, what I think is this, man,
Speaker 1: Well people don't look at man. We just can't still
Speaker 1: and blame us man California, like we do that ship
Speaker 1: up in bills. We have to blame us. But we're
Speaker 1: put in certain conditions man, where we go almost condition
Speaker 1: And I'm not one of those people to make excuses,
Speaker 1: but we are almost conditioned to hate each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like almost like it's just been that way for
Speaker 1: as long as I remember me. I mean, but you
Speaker 1: really don't. As a kid, I mean, I went to
Speaker 1: school with a lot of Niggers who end their enemies
Speaker 1: from different neighborhoods. I mean, it's just like a motherfucker
Speaker 1: being talk racism. Uh. A lot of children, a lot
Speaker 1: of white kids or whatever they're gonna grow up or
Speaker 1: born with. I don't like that motherfucker's talk. But that's
Speaker 1: what conditioning is. Minding this in this stream of somebody
Speaker 1: having some in my conditioning, James or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: my condition as a young gang banger was I'm from
Speaker 1: this hood. We got beef with them. My conditioning is
Speaker 1: follow the code and you beef. It wasn't the I
Speaker 1: was born with it because five years ago when we
Speaker 1: went to elementary me and it's been a play in
Speaker 1: kickball with each other. And then when it's signed to
Speaker 1: go to junior high, he go up the street to
Speaker 1: the school and I go around the corner. They banging
Speaker 1: this over here, and they're banging that over there with
Speaker 1: the neighborhood structure. So now my friends become them. I
Speaker 1: wasn't born to hate him, but now that I'm running
Speaker 1: with them, since the hat Fields in the Cooways, they've
Speaker 1: been hating that neighborhood. I'm over here now. So that's
Speaker 1: my conditioning, my conditions. I want to be a part
Speaker 1: of Track New Park, so fucking we don't like them.
Speaker 1: So if you want to be long, your conditioning, motherfuck
Speaker 1: is you hate everything about them, period, whether that and
Speaker 1: and a lot of the ship is. I gotta cousin
Speaker 1: over there, a relative. I gotta be mad at my
Speaker 1: cousin and you're on the hood, well, well funk with them,
Speaker 1: not your conditioning of what I was brought up. So
Speaker 1: you have to be able to change that structure. And
Speaker 1: like you said, James said, we gotta be You gotta
Speaker 1: be o g s in the hood who changes that
Speaker 1: structure and that mentality of conditioning the young homies too.
Speaker 1: We beef with the eight nines, or we beef with
Speaker 1: the mob, or we beef with them. So it's that
Speaker 1: mentality that has to be changed our field. It's just
Speaker 1: like saying, getting rid of the police. What what do
Speaker 1: you think, harbins? If you give rid of the police.
Speaker 1: If you get rid of the police, that tells me
Speaker 1: I can go kill anymore. But they want to. You
Speaker 1: got to have them? How do you? How do you
Speaker 1: get around that? So we gotta be one honey with
Speaker 1: ourselves and what the funk we're doing. We gotta take
Speaker 1: accountability for the ship that we're doing. That's what I say.
Speaker 1: It's important for me to try to say one of
Speaker 1: these little youngsters, we we we we. I mean, if
Speaker 1: we don't step up, then everything stays the same exactly.
Speaker 1: We don't show or say everything stays the same. So
Speaker 1: instead of talking about it. Man, we gotta figure out
Speaker 1: a way to fix it. I think it will go
Speaker 1: better forward for the especially the police that's really there
Speaker 1: to fix it, approached to the ones that come to work,
Speaker 1: just so you can see how many motherfucker's ask even more.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the average cop. I think the
Speaker 1: average cop goes to work with good intentions and they
Speaker 1: just want to get home with their family. Because another
Speaker 1: another thing that we have to stop doing because I
Speaker 1: hate when I see this. I trained my sons because
Speaker 1: the world is just the way it is when they
Speaker 1: first started driving. If officer puts you over, you keep
Speaker 1: your hand on the wheel, the respectful. Don't be moughling
Speaker 1: off to me. Keep your hand there giving the driver's license.
Speaker 1: If something happened, I'd rather bear you off and bury
Speaker 1: it right man, you know, so just do what you're
Speaker 1: supposed to do. Keep your hands with steering wheel. And um.
Speaker 1: I think that's the average cop though, that that has
Speaker 1: good intentions. And I hate when I see us officer
Speaker 1: sometimes be being cool as hell. He pulled somebody over,
Speaker 1: They got the wunder up this side. What are you
Speaker 1: pulling me over for? What? Then, do you want that's
Speaker 1: that's the new narrative of the of the Cloud. Ye
Speaker 1: do the club says, Yeah. So they got the camera
Speaker 1: and you can see this officer is being cool as hell, right,
Speaker 1: and you got the motherfucker's and you give them blues.
Speaker 1: It's just like the one brother that got shot in
Speaker 1: his back. Somebody was you know, I kind of walked
Speaker 1: in on the conversation of one of my partner's house, right,
Speaker 1: he was like this, so funked up they shot home
Speaker 1: and look how they shot him, And I said, well, man,
Speaker 1: it looked like he running in the car reaching for
Speaker 1: some ship. What the funk else were they supposed to do?
Speaker 1: You know, Don't get me wrong, I hated that brother
Speaker 1: lost his life. I feel bad for a lot of
Speaker 1: things they could have did because they changed him first.
Speaker 1: If they chased him, that should have been there right there.
Speaker 1: You get on him, you you handcuff him, and you
Speaker 1: you you you got the situation under control. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: But that's what that lobster didn't make. This dude running
Speaker 1: on a cargo reef, like, what are you reaching for?
Speaker 1: He listening? No, no, But to your point, James, they
Speaker 1: chased him and didn't work. When they chased him, took him. Well,
Speaker 1: you would hope that if the taser doesn't work to
Speaker 1: where he's incapacitated, you're not going to run up and
Speaker 1: try to tackle the guy with a knife in his hand.
Speaker 1: He didn't have an absolutely, did I guaranting you did
Speaker 1: it absolutely? And to the ship than with everybody. Man. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: he's armed with a knife and he said, I've got
Speaker 1: a knife, and there's a knife in his hand. And
Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna run up and try to
Speaker 1: tackle somebody like that, right, So the taser, because they
Speaker 1: know this, we're keeping our distance. Well that's not working.
Speaker 1: Now he's running away. We're gonna chase him. Now he's
Speaker 1: running and reaching in the car of that debt belonged him,
Speaker 1: and there's kids in there, so it's it gets really complicated.
Speaker 1: Car no open, he reached in the car. You know
Speaker 1: what I heard was there was another domestic situation going on.
Speaker 1: He came up to diffuse the domestic situation. When the
Speaker 1: police pulled up automatically, it's an excalation or whatever. Whatever.
Speaker 1: They see him there. Everybody's whatever, so hey, what's going on? Whatever? Whatever?
Speaker 1: Now I never heard a story about a knife or whatever,
Speaker 1: the domesticalist that he the old lady, that he had
Speaker 1: a secondary stream or against him. Okay, so this is all.
Speaker 1: This was not a random thing where he was getting
Speaker 1: involved in somebody else's where they said it was a
Speaker 1: domestic So everybody is feeling uneasy because it's Black Lives Matter,
Speaker 1: George Floyd and Brianna Taylor. So so naturally, when you
Speaker 1: see incidents that involves a black person in the white
Speaker 1: cop it's automatically gonna be escalated to uh, the black
Speaker 1: on white fund, the police type or whatever situation that's
Speaker 1: been going on. So nobody really wants to look and
Speaker 1: see what's happening and like and people questions or why
Speaker 1: they didn't do this, or why they do that, or
Speaker 1: why you even let them get to the fucking car
Speaker 1: in the first place. And then it's horrifying because now
Speaker 1: the realization is you're shotting fucking six times. But even
Speaker 1: with a knife, are you trained to to to take
Speaker 1: some weapons from a person? Yeah, So typically, like there's
Speaker 1: this is part of the police training. You learn how
Speaker 1: quickly somebody can cover ground and you know, and if
Speaker 1: you're eight ten feet away from me by the time
Speaker 1: I process information and make a decision to shoot. You
Speaker 1: can get to me that fast. You know, you can
Speaker 1: get to me before I figured out he's running at me.
Speaker 1: He's and all of a sudden, I'm trying to defend
Speaker 1: myself and you've already got your knife in my throat.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's that fast, James, It's really this ship
Speaker 1: happened so fast, and we have to do this thing,
Speaker 1: and you know, we have to take in a consideration
Speaker 1: response time, and it is there's there's seconds involved. And
Speaker 1: and when you start to consider that and you're trained
Speaker 1: that this guy can cover ground really quick. And so
Speaker 1: if if you feel like he's gonna advance on you
Speaker 1: and he's right there and you're in fear for your life,
Speaker 1: you have to do what you gotta do to protect yourself.
Speaker 1: I know that we can sit here and look at
Speaker 1: it like, well, it's just a knife and he's ten
Speaker 1: ft away, twelve feet away, man, you can cover that
Speaker 1: ground really quick. And it's been proven. They do all
Speaker 1: kinds of training on this, and so you know you've
Speaker 1: got to when you're processing information and the decision will ship.
Speaker 1: He's running at me, has a knife and pull your trigger.
Speaker 1: That's all the time. It takes for him to get
Speaker 1: to you. Okay, I want to ask to elaborate on
Speaker 1: the situation about what you can control as an officer
Speaker 1: in your situation, um in your training or you as
Speaker 1: an officer, what is your first thought when you're in
Speaker 1: that situation? Is it to kill a motherfucker? You know,
Speaker 1: not so graphic, or should I take one pop in
Speaker 1: the leg or something to wound the motherfucker because it
Speaker 1: seems to us or some people, shooting blah blah blah
Speaker 1: is a little bit extensive right into it. It's a
Speaker 1: little extensive than to just Okay, the motherfucker's reaching and
Speaker 1: getting his car bot and then let me see what's happening,
Speaker 1: let me pop him in the ass or shoot him
Speaker 1: in the leg, as opposed to I'm just gonna bust
Speaker 1: six shots at his back, and being being what's the
Speaker 1: training process that you as being a cop in that
Speaker 1: situation deal with knowing the black lives matter? And it's
Speaker 1: you get me when you up there in the moment,
Speaker 1: you're not thinking about that, But I think that's offense.
Speaker 1: That's really a great question because like you know, and
Speaker 1: I've always personally had had how to how to beef
Speaker 1: with the way that we do this, like we do
Speaker 1: two shots to the chest, wanted the head right double tap,
Speaker 1: and if the two shots, if the two shots of
Speaker 1: the chest don't work, because this is center mass is
Speaker 1: the easiest thing to hit. It's really hard to like
Speaker 1: shoot somebody in a kneecap or you know, to take
Speaker 1: a very shooting is much more difficult than you think.
Speaker 1: Most students happen to you still miss, you know, and
Speaker 1: you look at police shootings and more times than not
Speaker 1: you're missing your target because and they're only ten, twelve,
Speaker 1: fifteen ft away. And so the training is center mass,
Speaker 1: the easiest thing to hit is right in the middle
Speaker 1: of this picture. And then if that doesn't work, then
Speaker 1: you try to do a failure drill, which is to
Speaker 1: hit him in the head because that's gonna stop him.
Speaker 1: If those first two shots don't work, then you go
Speaker 1: to where you know it's gonna stop him. And until
Speaker 1: you've seen people who have been shot and still continue
Speaker 1: to advance and still continue to fight, and you start
Speaker 1: to appreciate, like you know, there's but to your point,
Speaker 1: like I think, if given the opportunity, you should take
Speaker 1: that selective shot. If you have that chance and guy's
Speaker 1: got a knife put in. It's kind of crazy that,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're trained and the first thought is
Speaker 1: regardless of the fucking situation, the traffic stop or whatever,
Speaker 1: but if it escalates to something, the first trained is
Speaker 1: bop bop, chest bop head, like, fuck it, this motherfucker
Speaker 1: is obviously drunk or obviously mentally whatever, So fucking bop bop,
Speaker 1: you know. But we're trained to send an ass bing
Speaker 1: bing and if that don't work, fuck it bing. No
Speaker 1: question the languages, But I'm saying, how do you depict
Speaker 1: that from the situation that you know, a motherfucker drunk?
Speaker 1: And I know if this motherfucker wasn't drunk, he wouldn't
Speaker 1: probably be trying to come at me. So do I
Speaker 1: want to kill his motherfucker because he don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on? And by the way, though that happens all
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, there's all kinds of these situations
Speaker 1: where they're like this, this guy's just not right in
Speaker 1: his mind, and he's not proudly you know that even
Speaker 1: though he's a threat because he's got a gun or
Speaker 1: i'm sorry, he's got a knife. Most likely he's got
Speaker 1: a baseball bat. Whatever, he's got a weapon, and that
Speaker 1: you just know that he's out of you know, and said,
Speaker 1: you do your best to try to figure that out.
Speaker 1: But once he becomes like an imminent threat where he's
Speaker 1: rushing you, then you gotta deal with that. And you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's in the think the easiest thing is to
Speaker 1: put two into his chest. And what's so funked up
Speaker 1: about that? Not to cut you off, James or whatever.
Speaker 1: But we're seeing so many situations. Put a white guy
Speaker 1: in the same situation and you see it all day
Speaker 1: and motherfucker ran at him. He chased them around the
Speaker 1: car and they're like, hey, hey, man, come on stop,
Speaker 1: we're gonna shoot you when you But then when he comes,
Speaker 1: put somebody of his color in the place and it's instant.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the biggest difference with the nothing to
Speaker 1: cut you off. But this is what I think, that
Speaker 1: white guy that's out there acting crazy, they're not really
Speaker 1: scared of him. When they pull you over, they already
Speaker 1: got him out their mind. Man, I might get murdered
Speaker 1: with this motherfucker's well, I'm not playing with it because
Speaker 1: see that's kind of that's kind of that's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: They use more caution with certain individuals that they deal with.
Speaker 1: And and unfortunately it is me. I'm the one with
Speaker 1: the name. I'm the one that they gotta worry about.
Speaker 1: Uh uh, Tom and Jodan. What these motherfucker's doing over here?
Speaker 1: So none times out of the chin that stop is
Speaker 1: not gonna be a severe Damn. I gotta look what
Speaker 1: they did to you. That's a big motherfucker right there.
Speaker 1: Three four or four four, we gotta big motherfucker. This
Speaker 1: motherfucker might want to fight. So they got a call
Speaker 1: for back up and prepare the show to take you
Speaker 1: down because the way, But is that a decision that
Speaker 1: you personally make? Is that a decision you make in
Speaker 1: that situation if you see a white guy or a
Speaker 1: black guy or Mexican or what in the same scenario,
Speaker 1: do you make that personal de go I'm gonna handle
Speaker 1: this black guy differently than I handle this white guy
Speaker 1: or this and it's like three different Sonia, but they're
Speaker 1: all the same scenario. Yeah No, not for me, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: If I see a guy that's you're six six, six
Speaker 1: seven whatever you YEA. If I see a big guy,
Speaker 1: I know that I can't handle physically, right I don't
Speaker 1: care what color he is. That's a threat, right if
Speaker 1: we're going at it and get my ass kicks. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure out a way to not engage with
Speaker 1: this man, whether it's tasting him or using whatever. I
Speaker 1: don't see it, you know. But that to your other
Speaker 1: point here. The thing like, I think there's a perception
Speaker 1: um that more white guys get killed by the cops
Speaker 1: in this country than black guys. Yes, so statistically, the
Speaker 1: argument that you know that you're more at risk than
Speaker 1: the white guy, it just doesn't play out statistic I'm
Speaker 1: not saying, you know, more at risk in my neighborhood
Speaker 1: where I'm from, though, most like yeah, absolutely, And so
Speaker 1: you know, all these things happen to be taken into consideration.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that the vast majority, I don't
Speaker 1: think that they that they're racially motivated shootings. I think
Speaker 1: that what happens is that horrible scenarios arise, cops out
Speaker 1: of fear or justified force take action. It always looks bad.
Speaker 1: It always looks bad to shoot somebody, no matter what
Speaker 1: it's just is always gonna look bad, and there's always
Speaker 1: going to be then opportunity to second guess it and
Speaker 1: go Could it have been done differently and better? Sometimes yes,
Speaker 1: sometimes no. But you know, I don't think that this
Speaker 1: racial animosity that we have in this country today is justified.
Speaker 1: I personally don't believe it. And I think that the
Speaker 1: police officers today are better than they have ever been
Speaker 1: in the history of our country. In the sixties they
Speaker 1: were the city exties. The seventies they got better than nineties,
Speaker 1: were better than the eighties, two thousand and twenties, better
Speaker 1: than two thousand and ten. Because we're learning through our
Speaker 1: mistakes and you can't get away with ship. We're all
Speaker 1: you know, everything's monitored, everything's you know, three and four
Speaker 1: levels of of evaluation, body cameras. All of these things
Speaker 1: are done so that we have to be held accountable.
Speaker 1: But it also allows us to see what's going on
Speaker 1: and in our culture. Right now, you know, we're just
Speaker 1: having knee jerk reactions to things that look bad. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: and before you know, before we wrap up, we've been
Speaker 1: towing a wild Now. I wanted to ask, when this
Speaker 1: may be a rhetorical question, let's go back at the beginning.
Speaker 1: Why do you think the murder rate is so high
Speaker 1: in California. Well, I think that I think cops are
Speaker 1: afraid to do their job, and so I think that
Speaker 1: there is to to James's point is like when the
Speaker 1: enforcement is less, the streets are gonna do more than
Speaker 1: they would have there not been this presence. And so
Speaker 1: I think that when we pin a handcuff the police
Speaker 1: where they're scared to do their job, skis they're gonna
Speaker 1: get second and triple guests. You know, we don't have
Speaker 1: the enforcement capabilities consequences. Yeah, I think that maybe that's
Speaker 1: part of it. And then you know what, because you
Speaker 1: know that's true. The state is so liberal. You know.
Speaker 1: I want to go try to buy twelve gigs the
Speaker 1: other day, and they were telling me it was just
Speaker 1: like I might as well have been going to go
Speaker 1: buy mac tim because they gave me such a hard time.
Speaker 1: When you don't have this before when I used to
Speaker 1: go by twelve gigs, I can should mind beat give it.
Speaker 1: And I'm a lot, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: might minutes max, you know what I mean. Now you
Speaker 1: can't go buy bullets, you can't. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. So it's almost like this state
Speaker 1: being so liberal, it almost as in power up the criminal.
Speaker 1: They got all the guns, they won't Well, we'll be
Speaker 1: we'll be at a lordship we get rid of the police.
Speaker 1: I think at the police need to do a little
Speaker 1: better with how they handle certain situations. Uh as farthers
Speaker 1: checking the police that they're putting on the job because
Speaker 1: some of them really don't care. Some of them look
Speaker 1: at it as a paycheck and I'm going home, so
Speaker 1: they don't care how they treat the people. Any Time
Speaker 1: you get a police officer that that will beat the
Speaker 1: shit out of a sixty year old woman he's mad
Speaker 1: at something else, don't bring that to your job. And
Speaker 1: I think they need to fix that part. I think
Speaker 1: it would be better. But we have to learn how
Speaker 1: to police our own hoods. And and let's say, help
Speaker 1: police our own hoods, because we ain't gonna be able
Speaker 1: to do it, you know what. We Yeah, we definitely
Speaker 1: need the police. And I think one thing, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: the don to get rid of the police. But what
Speaker 1: what we need is our feel We need to have
Speaker 1: more um, we have to need to have more communication
Speaker 1: with officers who joined in the fucking forces with as
Speaker 1: far as why you want to patrol over here? Just
Speaker 1: the bombers ship right here. If you can get us
Speaker 1: to work with the police, like I'm so handed hands
Speaker 1: for the real ship and being there, because the first
Speaker 1: thing they're gonna say, oh, you're with the police, is
Speaker 1: ntch No, what is the community? What do the community
Speaker 1: meaning you? We're tearing it up, so it don't mean
Speaker 1: ship to us, you know what I'm saying. So you
Speaker 1: get them and you work with them to help us
Speaker 1: get rid of and fix the ship that moving the
Speaker 1: sore thumbs. You know what I'm saying. We need to
Speaker 1: get rid of the sore thumbs people from getting killed you.
Speaker 1: But like you said, if you can't give rid of
Speaker 1: a mob, James, You're gonna always have a problem, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Because that dude purpose is just
Speaker 1: to be a game bagger and create your habit. So
Speaker 1: you gotta remove him, you know what I'm saying. If
Speaker 1: you ain't do that, the hood ain't gonna do it
Speaker 1: unless he get killed. That's the only way to get
Speaker 1: rid of you. But if you if you got guys
Speaker 1: like us and saying, okay, our hood, we need to
Speaker 1: fix this. So because it saves your nieces, your little cousins,
Speaker 1: your nephews and everybody else because now they see us
Speaker 1: working with them, helping fix what we call our community,
Speaker 1: our neighborhood. You see what I'm saying. If you don't
Speaker 1: do that, then we find each other and you know
Speaker 1: what the problem it was. Man, The first thing somebody
Speaker 1: go say, oh, he's working with the police, because people's
Speaker 1: definition with snitchey meals is so like skewed and funked
Speaker 1: up nowadays. For the record, sniche is this. If you
Speaker 1: are a member of the underworld and you're partaking any
Speaker 1: criminal activity, like you go rob a bank, your partner
Speaker 1: you robbed the bank with, don't get caught. But you
Speaker 1: get caught and you say, well, man, I know the
Speaker 1: eight hedn't want to talk me into this ship. And
Speaker 1: he even he still got a hundred fifty dollars he
Speaker 1: did it. And he's hiding over his cousin's house on Riverside.
Speaker 1: That's snitching right there. That's what snaky kneels right there.
Speaker 1: If my wife I'm not at home enough, somebody's breaking
Speaker 1: the house and she called the alarm company and they
Speaker 1: come over there and say that man was trying to
Speaker 1: break in my window. She is a civilian woman. She
Speaker 1: is not a snick She's incapable of being a snitch.
Speaker 1: And that's the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard. What
Speaker 1: you call a competent and uh oh yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, these these kids that they they got,
Speaker 1: they call them motherfucker's rhets just to call people. You
Speaker 1: got people out there today and just slow behind that
Speaker 1: hip hop ship and the code of of hip hop
Speaker 1: and the code of you know, the Takashi bullshit and
Speaker 1: all that ship then. And like I said, the youth today, uh,
Speaker 1: they inherit, uh the snitching ship of some new form
Speaker 1: of whatever. Like you said, we've been dealing with that
Speaker 1: ship for a decade. Motherfucker's used to go tell Bump
Speaker 1: Johnson or who was doing this or delivering the numbers
Speaker 1: or whatever whatever. So we've had snitching, so to speak,
Speaker 1: since the beginning of time. What it is is that civilians,
Speaker 1: we never considered civilians to be snitchers. You know, we
Speaker 1: never considered a motherfucker if it was an innocent kid
Speaker 1: got killed or a baby and you told who did
Speaker 1: to drive by shooting or ship. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: a different code that we have and what the kids
Speaker 1: want to do nowadays. Uh So it shouldn't be a
Speaker 1: factor of niggas from the neighborhood wanting to control the
Speaker 1: neighborhood on a positive aspect, because ship, when you're happy
Speaker 1: and everything is fun and fine and everybody got money,
Speaker 1: you usually don't have the fucking problems. So and then
Speaker 1: another thing with trying to control our areas and getting
Speaker 1: rid of the bad motherfucker because you just have to
Speaker 1: get you a pack of niggas who want to see
Speaker 1: the hood doing better. Si ganga niggas like this. I
Speaker 1: just want to ask one question, one last question before
Speaker 1: we get out of here. Um we need police your
Speaker 1: mentality when you were a kid, what made you want
Speaker 1: to become a cop? So? Um, I never thought about
Speaker 1: it as a kid, like it was never even a
Speaker 1: thought in my mind. And then as I got older,
Speaker 1: and uh, I realized that, you know, I was gonna
Speaker 1: have to make it on my own and figure out
Speaker 1: how to how to do that. A friend of mine's
Speaker 1: dad was a cop and he was also my football coach,
Speaker 1: and so he was somewhat of a mentor. And so
Speaker 1: I grew up without my dad, and so you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of fell under this guy's influence and he's like, Greg,
Speaker 1: you know, you're in any direction where it's very easy
Speaker 1: for you to get, you know, into a situation where
Speaker 1: you'll never have an opportunity to do this because yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I was heading for trouble and he goes,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's so far. You haven't gotten to
Speaker 1: the point where you've disqualified yourself. And it's a good career.
Speaker 1: And so I didn't do it out of this, you know,
Speaker 1: this aspiration like I just want to be a caught.
Speaker 1: I looked at it as this is a really good
Speaker 1: career and it's a chance for me to get in
Speaker 1: a good profession. I was relatively uneducated at a G E.
Speaker 1: D UM And to your other point, though, I think
Speaker 1: education should be absolutely required for anybody going to law enforcement.
Speaker 1: You should have a college education. And these days, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that that's um. But for me, I got it.
Speaker 1: I got into it because there was an opportunity. And
Speaker 1: then once I started, UM, I just I it was
Speaker 1: the right career path for me. But just because of
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, I grew up all around dope.
Speaker 1: I grew up with a hippie mom. I grew up
Speaker 1: in all this environment where I could really appreciate and
Speaker 1: empathize with the people that I was encountering. No drug addicts.
Speaker 1: I understood, like, this can happen to anybody, almost right.
Speaker 1: I didn't see them, rejected them. That also saw the
Speaker 1: sinister aspect of it, of the people that we're dealing
Speaker 1: those dope or dealing drives. So all of that just
Speaker 1: evolved into me being um a police officer that I
Speaker 1: think as relatively fit for it. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that answer your question. It just it just ends with
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say and end with is you
Speaker 1: have to appreciate your job or you want to you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can come into law enforcement or
Speaker 1: want to be a police with the mentality of that
Speaker 1: fuck it you give me. You know, you thought it
Speaker 1: was a good career and in doing so, you were
Speaker 1: able to come in and figure out, yeah, dope, shit
Speaker 1: is fucked up and crackheads and fucking kids whatever. Whatever.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying about today with the policing,
Speaker 1: we need to find motherfucker's who really are passionate about
Speaker 1: being a fucking pole. That's that's the point. He was
Speaker 1: able to relate growing up sin and ship. So now
Speaker 1: I'm a police officers. Now that he's the police officer,
Speaker 1: he could relate to being on the street and see
Speaker 1: the ship that was going on and and uh what
Speaker 1: is that? Um damn, I got the word for this.
Speaker 1: He see what's going on, and and now I can
Speaker 1: I relate to talking to these people because I've been
Speaker 1: around it. I know what it's about. So it's it's
Speaker 1: a good move. So you can honestly say he's in
Speaker 1: the right place because I can relate to you people.
Speaker 1: I can relate to what you're going through. Cocaine hit
Speaker 1: everybody go by. It didn't have no no, no, it
Speaker 1: wasn't racist. It took everybody out that. I think that
Speaker 1: was would be way better for situations day if dudes
Speaker 1: who joined the force were educated. Uh, we're knowledgeable about
Speaker 1: where they're from, the police, the people in the area
Speaker 1: of the community, and not just right now you give me.
Speaker 1: You need to study and learn about what's been happening
Speaker 1: over in the mob for the last thirty years. You
Speaker 1: need to know what down and Dragon or south Side
Speaker 1: or where. So that's all that was my last point.
Speaker 1: I'm done there. There's this real quick thing seven grade
Speaker 1: with what you said about we bought. We've got to
Speaker 1: work together, right, We've got to figure that out. How
Speaker 1: to you know, regain a mutual um respect for one
Speaker 1: another that you started this whole thing out with, Like
Speaker 1: what is it like to grow up in hopelessness? And
Speaker 1: like until we get those communities to where there's to
Speaker 1: where there's opportunity. Until you can get those communities to
Speaker 1: where there's opportunity, there's gonna be hopelessness. And when the
Speaker 1: hopelessness becomes a d valuation of life and the evaluation
Speaker 1: of life, well, I'm just gonna take some ship from
Speaker 1: you to take your life because it really doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: And that until we get those communities to where there's
Speaker 1: an opportunity, then you're still gonna have that sense of
Speaker 1: like what the funk might not I'll just go out
Speaker 1: and take mine, that's right? Is that right? I just
Speaker 1: feel like you've got to figure out how to make
Speaker 1: the fire out. People feel like if people have opportunities
Speaker 1: to work towards, you know, when you ain't got an
Speaker 1: opportunity to work towards and that and ship, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a bad day. And with that that reps up
Speaker 1: in another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. Who like
Speaker 1: think Greg Katie Man forgiving us some really insightful information.
Speaker 1: You got a podcast coming out, don't you. And I'm
Speaker 1: hoping to you you know what, I'm trying to do
Speaker 1: this little thing I want to do. You guys remember
Speaker 1: that Christopher Dorner case that things are gonna try to
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Speaker 1: we could be to open Greg out with that man
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