WEBVTT - EP 75: Killa Cali w/ Greg Kading 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:10.560 Worldwide. Why from the streets to the yard Gangster when 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:16.360 I writ y'all across the USC Compton Watts, thank to 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.320 l A from on the California from Mount the Valley. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.919 We represent that Kelly County. So if you're keeping it 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.760 real on your side of your town, you tune into 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:31.960 Gangster Chronicles Gangster the Goals. We're gonna tell you how 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:35.800 we go. If I line my nose will girl like Pinocchio. 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.000 We're gonna tell you the truth and nothing but the truth. 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:42.240 Gangster cron the Goals. This is not your average show. 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.320 You're now tuned into the rail m c A. Bick, 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:54.000 James and Bixtil strictly from the streets. Hello, we welcome 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.440 to another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. I'm with 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:02.279 my homeboys. Nick James eight was craving what's happening? Man? 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.840 Make sure you go banging that I heart button man. 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.840 Go to Apple Podcast, subscribe, rate, leave a comment. You 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.120 know California is the land of sunshine, beaches and palm trees, 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:14.840 but it has a dangerous underbelly and two thousand nineteen 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.080 and State of California lad the Country of murders with 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.119 one thousand, six d ninety in l A. We've seen 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.080 the murder of Tupox You Corp. Followed by the murder 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.319 of New York's notorious b I G. Seven as a 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.760 recent Los Angeles rapper Nipsey Hustle as well. He was 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.440 brutally gunned down in front of his Marathon clothing store. 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:33.720 And we saw a rise in New York rapper Pop 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.280 Smoke murdered in the home invasion. He was only twenty 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.600 years old. Joining us to night, we have former l 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.920 APD detective author of murder Rapped untold story the Biggie 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:46.679 Smallest Tuthpox to Corps murder investigation. Mr Greg Katie, Are 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:51.880 you doing man? You know it's a lot of California. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.800 Man's one of those deceptive places. Man is beautiful out here, 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.280 the palm trees, the beaches of weather. But we leave 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.080 the country of murders. Man. I didn't know that until 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.120 you just said, yeah, I did that research. I did 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.560 research that. Man. We are leading the country of murders. 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.600 It's a lot of people to get out back on top. 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.560 It's because of the pandemic. It seemed like it got worship. 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.600 You know, when we was on lockdown, you had people 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.600 out at three o'clock in the morning doing drive abouts. 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.399 What the hell? Yeah, that's some crazy ship right there. 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.360 And for us to be back on for us to 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.520 be back on top ship, you know, because the way 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:28.880 ship is right now and you are you here as 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:35.240 the youngsters in in shy town. Uh to hear that 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.840 we're back on top with the murders is crazy, It's 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.560 it's fun. Yeah. Well, you gotta remember that's the state 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.720 of California as a whole. You and you encompass Oakland 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.359 and San Francisco, l A, San Burns. You know, that's everywhere, 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.959 So you know it's a big status. It's a dangerous place, man, 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:54.720 and we could take it back. Man. Uh. Two, when 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.000 you went to had the notorious B I G investigation 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.200 correct and my after the murder? You know I didn't 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.920 get involved in that until two thousand and six. What 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:05.720 did you see with that? Man? What do you think 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.600 the whole thing was that you think it was? I know, 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.840 we obviously never cut who did it, and I don't 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.000 even know if we did who did it if it's 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.680 even worth talking about now? Um, what are your thoughts 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.359 on that? Man? Well? I think that what happened is 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.800 a combination of things. First of all, back in when 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:28.919 it was when it was initially being investigated, I don't 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.799 think that the guys that were involved at lap d 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:38.080 Um fully understood the culture within the music, and they 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.760 understood the gang you know, a component of it all. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.760 But they just had so much trouble breaking through that 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.440 barrier of that you know, you don't don't talk, don't 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.120 snitch type of thing. And that was the case so 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:53.080 often in Los Angeles and James Knows and Compton. Those 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.200 gang homicides are really tough to solve, and you know, 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.680 sixties s those homicides don't get solved just because of 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.240 that you know, you know, don't tell all culture, and 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:06.360 that was one of the barriers that they that they 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.680 faced and trying to figure out what happened to the 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.240 dead and you know, not to be the dead horse man. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.920 Do you think that was in the retaliation man for 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.760 the murder of Biggie, not for pot for pop for 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:24.160 saying absolutely positively, I can honestly say I was there. 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:29.479 And the tension that the the way people felt when 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.440 Tupac died, the way I felt, I think, you know, 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.880 at that time, being active and then somebody get killed 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.680 on your watch isn't much. You ain't got a choice 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:46.080 but to retaliate. And when Park was killed, it was 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.440 so crazy. How Honey is gonna get to New York 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.120 and get these fools. We just gotta wait till they 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.400 come back. They can't come back to California. But Bam, 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.719 Biggie is in California doing I'm going back to Cali. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.640 You should have never came out of here. He had 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.640 no business out here at all. So it was it 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:12.080 was an opportunity for payback. And and both of those 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.680 dudes lost their lives just on some bs because everybody 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.160 know should was on some bullshit and Puffy was on 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:23.000 some bullshit and they were still communicating with each other, 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.240 was so called in the cut. And some of the 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.600 homies knew that, but didn't Nobody wanted to do nothing 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.200 about that. And I think it was best and it 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.159 benefited both of them because you had the South Side 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.280 and the mob thing exactly, you know what I'm saying. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.280 And they both benefited off of that. And you know, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:44.240 when them guys came to Compton, they went straight to 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.080 to the South Sides. They went over there with with 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.720 little keeping them and Big Keith and all of those 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:55.159 other guys and they were like bodyguards from you know 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.120 what I'm saying. So it was just a crazy It 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.880 was a crazy thing because like I told him when 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:06.040 when they jumped Orlando, this little cat is a hitter, 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.839 you know what I'm saying. And in tupunction that never 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.839 got got in it. Eight is it is it rapper? 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:14.680 He should never have to get out there when he 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:19.960 paying people to watch his body. If anybody get close 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.039 to eight, snatch him, you know what I'm saying. That 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.080 didn't happen here. They treated Park like he was one 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.640 of the homies getting high drinking and these are the 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:35.480 consequences of it. So, uh, both sides didn't do what 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.440 they were supposed to do. They got both sides got 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:42.880 colt shit. Is it that you know jane Us being 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.600 from you know, gaglers and ship like that. In the 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:50.240 feeling of it when Pox showed up, did did did 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:55.520 y'all feel like because of Sugar, you know, getting him 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.279 out and all that when he started claiming a mob 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.400 or whatever that y'all feel like he was like, just 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.120 that's the all thing home. No, I was, I was 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:08.360 one because the hood was the hood to me. Exactly. 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:13.080 I man, I did the good that you feel about. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:17.440 I was. I was the game. Remember, And you have 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.480 somebody coming here. I don't care where you from. You 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.920 didn't you didn't run this term you went around here, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.559 You didn't get down like that. You wouldn't known the block. 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:30.000 So Tupac I didn't accept that. And and he shouldn't 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.040 have never been from the hood. He's an artist, you 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.480 know what I'm saying. He's he's he's here to make money. 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.080 And once once, once you lose their head, and then 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.440 the money's over. And once Tupac died, every now everybody 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.800 is bam bam, bam bam, everybody gone because she ain't 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.280 got to no more. Now she is doing you know, 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.040 the drugs and the drinking and all this. I never 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.800 seen that dude drink or do nothing. But now he 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.360 didn't turned into it, you know what I'm saying. So 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:02.360 when Tupac put the neighborhood on him, I was furious. Man, 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.000 I was furiated because chick, I don't care who you 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.880 think you are. I'm known you here. How are you 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.000 gonna tell this dude he can put the hood on him. 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.160 You ain't got it on you. You know what I'm saying, 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.360 So the whole thing was out of line. And then 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.280 you know, just to have that man come in from 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:24.200 where he was and then and then start game thing, 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:29.440 and it don't work like that. So I never accepted it. 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.720 I didn't hang with him. I didn't kick it with him, 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.800 because if I did that, I accept him as one 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.040 of the homies. And I couldn't do that. And the 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.080 rabbit holes certainly gets deep in that case, man, because 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:46.640 you have accusations of Puffy being paid a certain amount 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.319 of money, to Puffy paying a certain amount of money 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.800 to execute this thing, this revenge thing, because you know, 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.440 Pop was making the songs and he was really going 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.760 at him, so it got real person with a point. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.120 And when some of those songs came out, I said that, 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.600 I said, man, somebody might die because this don't sound 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.959 like no normal rep Fueld type of stuff. You know 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.400 what I mean, exactly serious, it's got it got serious. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.680 I think, in my opinion, after jacob Old out in Atlanta, 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.400 you know when they had beef out there, and that's 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.520 where's there's no turning back right exactly. So I think 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.719 that might have been the first time where blood was 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:24.120 actually spelled over this, over this uh beef when uh 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:28.679 Puffy's guy Wolf shot Jake. And then you know you 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.080 can't turn it back after that because a matter of fact, 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.560 there's a witness, there was a ton of interesting a 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:39.120 witness that uh that that scene had heard, should say 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.560 had heard, should say to uh Puff, you took something 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.000 precious from me. I'm gonna take something precious from you. 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.120 And you know that could mean a lot of different things. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.560 But now that we see Big get killed, maybe it 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.000 plays into that hole. I'm we're gonna get even for 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.800 what you just did to Jake. Yeah, and then of 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.320 course Tupac happens and makes it holds down what Tupac 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:04.640 shouldn't have happened. Pool a little liquor and roll something 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:11.680 up the gun stood chronicles, We'll be right back gotten 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.839 damn it. This is og gangst Granny and y'all tuned 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:20.640 into the Gangster Chronicles on the Black Effect podcast network. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.560 Never turn off my goddamn Greens, you'll bet and I 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:30.079 burned up my ship. Hey, motherfucker's that shouldn't happen. You 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:35.160 got fifteen seventeen eighteen bloods right there. You know what 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.960 I'm saying? And if if your job is to protect 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.760 him and show then that's what you're supposed to do. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.200 Tupac and I say this all the time, people get mad. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.880 Tupac didn't even know who Anne was, never been in 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.880 Comforting to day in his life, never hung the South Side. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.319 It ain't like the who had had pictures of motherfucker's 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.040 who they wanted. So why the fund you walking up 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.800 to a dude he don't know, one of the homies. 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:03.480 Just that's it right there. No, you're a game, so 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.960 you go get him. Now, That's what I should have said. 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.679 But him trying to prove himself and talking about it, 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:14.200 he with it. He went over there and handle this business. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.920 And those guys knew that that little dude was with 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:22.880 the business he was he was a hitter. Oh no, 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.760 he was a hitter. Yeah, not truly. Think if he 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.559 would have been any one of those guys that have 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.280 wouldn't in sock down. They would have wait until he 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:31.800 went back to comp And I don't think it would 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.280 have been that thing. I think, yeah, not is a 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.520 game back? Yeah, because I think like this, you know 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.800 Orlando here hit any think this here man. By the 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:41.680 time this ship get back to l a they would 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.720 have the park whoop my ass that he don't did 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.160 this and this. He was like this motherfucker gotta go 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.640 in his mind, you know. He basically any any anybody 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.560 that's with it, that's on the streets and doing a name. 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:59.520 You gotta look at your reputation. What people perception is 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:04.440 that of a certain situation. Oh, London woods Man, niggd 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:09.480 Rapper took off on me. Now the moble south Side 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:15.959 had squabbles on Long Beach numerous times, exactly A Linda 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:20.720 would have understood that squabble. Did he take fitteen cats 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.200 to jump him like that? No, only the hood didn't 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:27.040 get down like that. But when Tupac was called, everybody 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:32.800 high and everybody drunk food, they mond him. Now, y'all 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.679 didn't leave me laying there. So let me gather my 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.120 folks and this old bloods and cribs whoever. If you 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.760 got that mentality, I'm going to come get you. I'm 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.720 gonna catch you. Bagas ain't that big when everybody was 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:51.440 in the same spots and she Compton ain't that big here, 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:56.040 So get back to the it's coming, it's coming. So 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.920 and everybody knew where they were going. Exactly that night. 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.560 It was like, well, you have to be right down 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:02.120 the street if you're looking at these guys. They came 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:06.320 to six six too at first before when children was 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.000 already at the fights, they came and pulled up at 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.520 six six too. But they knew if they had tried 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.800 something six six too, they'd have been in Trump. We 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.560 was already ready for whatever a week pride to that 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:22.320 they was talking about they was coming. My daughter mother 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.400 was was on it. You watch yourself. They're talking about 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.920 they coming and shoot up six Now, it was so 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:32.280 many metros up there, pathetic, so they weren't gonna try 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.640 nothing there. So when they went to the fight, that's 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.439 when it all happened. After the fight was over, and 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.559 and Orlando, they called him by herself standing there by 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:47.760 myself because it is over two function. I never did 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.280 what he did. So it seems like the premise deal 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.360 was a California for in your period as a whole. 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.960 And I'm gonna ask you, Greg as a police officer, 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.920 it seems like everything else he was built on refunge, 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:02.000 Like they did this to me, and I'm like, we 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.800 let it go. They have to go. I wouldn't look 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:10.080 at it as I really revenge. It's from as long 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.240 as I was gang banging. We never looked at it 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.480 as revenge. It was just the code of of of retaliation, 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:21.400 of of what you do. They hit us, you hit them. 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.960 This revenge, ain't it. He didn't look at it like 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.520 that you look at it like, man, there's no He 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.040 looked at it like like this is the code like 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.760 it was never like the suggestion we think your revenge 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:41.560 on these motherfucker's novel it's what you fucking do. Somebody 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.640 come through blasting or jumped the HOMEI or do whatever. 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.600 If you didn't was more of fucking you think it 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.960 is his buster. Y'all didn't go back and the niggas 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.680 jumped on and it didn't even have to be a 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.480 fucking dry And that played a big part with the 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.400 South Side because if they didn't go and do what 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.040 they have to do, then they have been looked at 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.440 like that. Puffy would have been like, man, they wove 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.360 your nephew, and y'all more fuckers didn't do nothing. I'll 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:13.080 get away from much, yall winnies. People on the outside 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.080 look at it in the perspective of or some revenge ship. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.360 You know, they killed his friend. Now they're going back 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.680 to kill him. We looked at it as a ship. 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.960 That's what you do when you start banging and claiming 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:28.400 they they need Maybe then it seems a little bit 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.720 more words an emotional respond exactly where what you're talking 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.840 about and send me is more of like this is 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.480 the business of it. This is just an end back 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.720 in the day. I'll compone in them. One of these 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.040 people get killed the liquor get took him. They didn't 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.680 looking ship like a yeah, we're gonna get revenge on him. 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.600 This is what you do. They hit him, just turn 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.440 to go hit there. And if you don't, Yeah, if 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.800 you don't, then you you might as well fucking you. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.080 You're supposed to be the boss and you didn't go 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:02.800 take that motherfucker. M yeah exactly. And in that culture, 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:08.120 reputation is everything, exactly because if you don't take revenge, 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.160 you got these other people looking like, man, I don't, 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.080 but they're gonna come try to take your place, then 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:19.880 replace you. They're gonna replace you. You. So we got 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.720 this whole thing, and it seemed like to me, the 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.960 one that was just the most innocent of the ma 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:25.800 all it kind of got caught in the cross fire. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.840 I was bigger the same way, you know, Like I 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.560 really like when Biggie died because I met him a 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.680 couple of times before and this before he got big. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.520 I saw him the Princess Club laying slam out that 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:38.320 a couple of shows would be and he was a 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:42.440 cool dude. It's like I remember, because he didn't seem 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.120 like no celebrity type of dude. He was just real 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:49.200 kick back with with all of this ship that was 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.880 going on. Do you honestly shaving Biggie was that chand 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.800 y'all keep me out of this. No, but I ain't 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.440 got no listen. I think he's both riding with the 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.760 bad Boy. Well you gotta remember this year he was 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:05.200 riding with bad Boy. But at that time, Biggie wasn't 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.040 calling those shots like that to connect this done and 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.240 get this and and I think he was just playing 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.119 his role. He was went bad Boys, and he was 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:13.920 just kind of one of the things. He was just 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:19.320 he was there. I mean, from from the perspective of 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:24.359 hip hopping music, it didn't look like his influence was 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:29.680 was much on the fuck that ship. But behind closed doors, 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.120 you never know what somebody is saying, they're probably sitting 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.040 there like the niggas too, because I know for us too. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.439 I know for a fact, Man Hawk was running up 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.480 and he ran up in Faith. I know that for 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:42.960 a fact because you know, I used to run with 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.000 psych Okay and he told me that she was at 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.600 the hotel. And I guess Pap was standing some kind 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.439 of hotel and she was up there frequently. And you know, 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.920 he came in the room one day, you know, when 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.000 he says she was in the bed, hair frazzled up 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.160 like she's got fits. So you're thinking his wife's getting 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.280 knocked down by its enemy, you know, so you never 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.080 know what we'll see it behind closed doors. You just 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:08.720 never know. I would have been mad, But uh, I 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:10.600 don't know. I ain't gonna talk about Faith. I don't 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.600 know where and what she did with Pockets. Her and 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.440 Pockets cool and and probably was one of them nights 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:21.199 when she was to up and should happened, but he 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.119 accepted her back and they was doing anything. A female 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.520 is good emotional over ship, you get what I'm saying. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.359 Who who knows what the situation is? But I don't 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.600 look at that as a fucking, fucking a bit cheat 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:34.960 on sheet on you. You know, I don't think that's 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:39.360 gonna lead to you know, a dude in that position, Well, 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.880 it's a combination of things you gotta do talking bad 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.959 about you. He knocked your woman down and he just 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.600 pretty much smashed the humiliy. Don't make me want to 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.760 kill a motherfucker. That's two weeks of the call. That's 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.800 kind of killer nigga. I don't kill a nigga because 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:57.360 the motherfucker and did some evil ship they're coming after us. 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.400 That's just like I mean, I know, it's a same clicity. 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.399 You're back in the days niggas. You know, some niggas 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:10.600 will get killed over bitches in the neighborhoods. But being 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:15.080 in the position of fucking hip hop dude and you know, 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.880 publicity and whatever, I don't think that bit you fuck 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:24.159 the mothercker. I'm gonna gonack motherfucking too. Hey, James Still 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.760 and eight, I need yo to tell me what the 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:33.520 word on the streets is. What the hell is going on? Ship? 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:39.320 Where are you at? This is og Gangster Granny and 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:44.000 the Gangster Chronicles podcast is back in effect. Get ready 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.960 for some of that g ship and blaze up some wannameraw, 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.440 it's not gonna be to the point of because that's 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.040 their mentality. I don't know what their mentality is from 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.119 New York. I know what that lady niggers would do, 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.679 what conting niggers do. Now we just got that fucking mentality. 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.240 I don't give a fuck. Well and and and this 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:06.560 is the bottom line to big in Tupac. Everybody knew 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:11.640 what's happening, everybody knows who killed who, and yet nobody 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:15.760 went to jail behind it because I think politics plays 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:19.639 a big part. Even with your investigation and what you 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.919 did and then putting it out there. I want to 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:26.920 Australia with it and listening to no the last one 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:28.679 we did when I when I came, when you had 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:33.919 to debate how people I want to twist a story, 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:37.280 how people want to take credit for something, how people 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:42.680 uh want to be mad over certain issues and they 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.960 just jumped aboard on the situation or or this and 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.439 that happened. If you got the actual facts or what 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.560 really is going on and documents showing what happened like 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:56.040 you had, people still don't care. They still don't want 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.280 to hear it, and people still want to talk about 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:02.560 digging in Tupac when and those dudes are gone, They're 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:06.800 gone and people should let them douse. Risks PPD put 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:12.440 a book out and said told basically told the story. 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:16.800 Did you believe that he was being like like, yeah, well, 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.159 I know he has been her percent truthfold when I 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:23.400 interviewed him, because there was no there was no motivation 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.359 to life. Once he started to kind of tell the 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:28.040 story a little bit different. I mean, it's the same 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.320 narrative for all intent and purposes, but he did change 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:33.080 a couple of little things. I think when he put 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:36.560 his book out he said, yeah, Pocles going for a gun. Right. 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.040 Of course, he never mentions that with us because we 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.679 know that didn't happen, But he wants to build in 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:45.119 a self defense so that if he gets wrapped up 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:47.480 on something, he can say, hey, man, this dude had 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.680 you know, in his mind he's trying to either justify 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.480 it or build in a defense, going, well, the dude 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:55.840 was going for a gun in Orlando. Shot self defense. 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.560 Blah blah blah. It's a bunch of bullshit, but it's 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.440 still the same story. Or Land o'keefee and the two 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:04.480 boys were in the car and they shot killed pot Um. 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:07.080 So yeah, I feel like he's telling the truth for all, 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:09.560 you know, for the most part of you know, you 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.159 have that situation. Man, they just you know, put a 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.440 black guye and with things. Man, when you were working 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:20.560 at homicide, man, what was the main premise behind the 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:26.119 presuy of the murders? Man? Was it revenge? Was it uh, retaliation? Jealousy? 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.119 Crimes of passion? Which one would you say was the 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.560 biggest influence. Well within within the gang investigations, it was 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:35.560 always back to just street business. It was just like 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:37.639 these guys are saying, you know, it's just back and 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.159 forth and back. Just occupational hands, just occupational hazard. But 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.400 there were a lot of those that did happen over 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:47.080 over some girls. You know, there's some squabbles over a girl, 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:48.879 she gets in the middle of something. Next thing, you know, 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:51.439 these guys are shooting and killing each other. Um, a 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.359 lot of us dope related. You know, he's holding their 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:57.760 territories and stuff like that. And then of course a 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:01.560 lot of homicides were domestic, you know, So it all 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:05.040 depends on what kind of you know, atmosphere we're talking 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:07.520 about with these murders and a lot of prostitutes get killed, 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:11.560 occupational hazard and uh so it just really kind of 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:15.440 depends on what we're talking. So being a uh you know, 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:20.760 join them the cops, whatever, do you feel being an 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:26.640 officer that some cases were investigated differently than a lot 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:30.240 of minority homicides or l a counton or whatever. Were 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:35.159 their different approaches or effort put into different cases. So 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:41.080 yes and no. Like the the intent to solve it, 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:43.560 he's always there, you know. That's what a homicide investigator 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:45.840 wants to solve his cases. You know, he wants to 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:47.399 build his resident I want to be known as a 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:50.040 guy that can solve cases. I care about him because 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:53.320 I want to solve them either because it's you know it, 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:56.760 it reflects on how good I am as an investigator. Um, 0:23:57.000 --> 0:24:00.600 most of us are empathetic towards the victims, even if 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.240 they're gangsters. We care about the families and the moms 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:05.159 and the sisters and wives and all of that. So 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:09.520 we do. However, to the flip side of that point 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:13.639 is the resources they go into a high profile murder 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:18.040 or some kid from USC who's playing football versus a 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:23.280 guy down and who got shot for linker starts the resources. 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:27.280 Then the oftentimes all the difference, you know, because these 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:31.359 investigations get really expensive. So who would be killed? Big 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:34.720 Tony the pimp, He should gonna go in the cold 0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:37.560 cases because you know, we're trying to saw this ship. Yeah, 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.399 they got pill the book a badass for us. So 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:45.199 I mean it's like they pick and choose what what 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:48.160 we really need to go after? Who we really If 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:51.240 this guy killed the five year old girl and reaped 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:53.080 the five year old girl, we gotta get him off 0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:58.720 the street, right opposed to us killing each other and 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:03.640 just mane each other on the round. So it's basically 0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:09.359 these is gonna keep happening. But this cat crossed the 0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:12.760 line raping and killing the fire your child, them in 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.720 the pedophiles. We got to get off of there. Regardless 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:19.560 how many of these cases we saw, they're gonna keep coming. 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:25.760 And you know, there's victims and then there's truly any victims. 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:28.760 Victims part if you're a gangster and you're in that 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:32.199 game and you're putting yourself into a situation where you're 0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:34.959 likely to get killed, you're contributing to that, you know. 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.480 So so I like a kid who's you know, walking 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.679 home from school and gets hit by straight boy and 0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:46.119 I never understood that part um pain is pain. I 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:51.359 didn't understand that until my brother Alexon died. Uh, the 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:55.040 face I saw my mom's, the the way my sister 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:58.680 and them cried. I mean my mom my mom pain 0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:03.359 was like she was just straight wounded, you know what 0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:06.720 I'm saying. And it was like, damn, mona. Was there 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:11.440 nothing I could say? And I just had to sit 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:13.800 there and think, like, damn, it's just what I do. 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:18.359 The people, just the reaction the families get, so you 0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:21.840 gotta look at it. It's the mama's, the unties, the 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:27.560 the babies, the girlfriends. You affect maybe a thousand lives 0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:31.640 just by one one person, you know what I'm saying. 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:33.720 And then we do this over the course of our lives. 0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:39.200 And then when it hit home, you're like, damn, it's 0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:42.520 it's definitely not a victimous crime because I couldn't know. 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:46.880 I'm imagine losing the child, and I like, you gotta 0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:49.760 think about this. No matter what that person is doing, 0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:53.800 whether he a pamp, gangster or whoever, there's somebody out 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:55.399 to the love that dude. There's somebody out that the 0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:57.840 love that woman, you know, So it's definitely and That's 0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.720 why I think I wanted to talk about it so much. 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:02.680 We have been talking about over the past two days, 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.360 just talking about this. A lot of unnecessary violence out here, 0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.040 and I think, and I don't even feel a shame 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.640 seeing this. I think it's black and black crime. It's 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:13.240 just worse than anything else. I think black people do 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.960 each other worse than any other. Like, I think we're 0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.919 the biggest threat to each other, you know, bigger than 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:22.040 any police officer, bigger than anybody else. It's just like, 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:27.680 because when you grow up in these poverty stricken neighborhoods 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:31.160 and ghettos, and you know, mama on the county getting 0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:35.359 county checks and motherfucker's don't be seeing. It's no hope. 0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:37.000 And then so the first thing you do is go 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.400 join the gang and you start serving and doing all 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:45.000 that ship, and that's your fucking mentality. It's like, Okay, 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:49.200 that's my brother, that's my brother. But I wasn't taught 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:53.640 that ship. But being from the being, being from the neighborhood, 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:58.439 you know why, I can only speak for me. I 0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:03.040 took the hood over family my possible ship, you know 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:06.240 what I'm saying. And once that once that cat was 0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:09.480 out the picture. It was the hood. It was it 0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:15.040 was the homes too. Took that place that they filled 0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:21.800 that boy for me and watching the older guys, the 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.119 only way you're gonna survive and making in the hood 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:28.080 is too start paying attention toward's real they're going on, 0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:32.000 and how to react and what fights you pick and choose. 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:36.480 And it just made it easier going home at night 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:38.360 and going to sleep, but then wake up at Craig 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:41.560 and dawn and and get that beer and you're back 0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.640 in the hood doing your thing. That was my comfort zone, 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:49.440 you know what I'm saying. So everything that came with 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:52.480 being a game member, a lot of cats didn't get it. 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.120 A lot of cats didn't get it. A lot of 0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:59.880 people thought a lot of game bankers thought that robbing, 0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:03.880 snatching purses and and and all that that extra ship 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:06.280 was a part of being a gang member. That's not 0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.680 a part of being a game member. Being a part 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:11.200 of the game and being a gang banger is winning 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:15.400 your colors to be recognized and to be ready for war, 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:20.120 and that that that sets you different from everything else 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.440 out there. If you want to go bring in the house, 0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:26.440 that ain't praying on the people that that ain't game members. 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.840 I hated that type of ship because that's not what 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:33.280 game banging was about, you know what I'm saying, snatching 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:36.440 the old lady person you need to get your ass for. 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.920 But more fockers was out there doing their thing that way. 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.800 And then come back in the hood down they're sagging 0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.240 their pants and they did, and they that it's just 0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:48.840 so different, you know what I'm saying. But the purpose 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:52.840 of being it don't change the fact that that the 0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.320 ship that we did and the things that I know 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:59.000 I destroyed, you know, being a game member down there's 0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:02.280 something totally different. And as you get older, you you're 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:06.880 you're looking at ship like man, you know what I'm saying, 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:12.440 And I think, I think God that that I've seen it. 0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:15.080 After Alton was killed, I don't seen a whole lot 0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:16.920 of the homies die. I didn't have him die. My 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.640 arm Kenny tell us, I mean, I watched them tickets 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:25.440 last brother, But it was nothing like my brother. Seeing 0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:29.640 my brother at a gas station laying there full of holes. 0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:33.720 And when we got in the hospital and seeing this 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.280 ship and and his eyes still open and they won't 0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:41.400 let me touch him through a nutty This is mine, right, here. 0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:44.640 You know what I'm saying, I've never been in a 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:48.080 situation like that, so it was totally different. And what 0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:50.520 kind of interesting It just goes back to we're saying 0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:54.080 like there was a business, but until it wasn't just 0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:58.000 business exactly. We all gotta understand there's a flip side 0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:00.560 to what we're doing, and that usually it takes you 0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:04.120 that direction, the high road or the lower brand feeling. 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:08.160 It's always that decision. Yeah, you know, and what percentage 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.840 of those cases going solved? Because I think you know, 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:14.640 I see Mothers on TV and you will hear about 0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.040 the detective solved in the case for twenty years agoing 0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.520 to Mama's just crying like it's yesterday. I think it's 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:23.120 that sense of closure, that feeling of closure, you know, 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:27.080 like Okay, this guy's go be punished for what he did. 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:29.800 I don't know if it's death, because when that guy 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.000 goes to jail, you still go feel it don't bring 0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:35.840 nobody back. What do you think is that you being 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.840 around that situation? Man? What do you think the parents 0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:40.840 go through? Do you think people go through a lot? 0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:46.240 They go through a lot of mental anguish Man, When 0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:48.400 did you guys decide to say this is enough, like 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:50.800 we can't do nothing, We can't find these guys. Never 0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:54.760 really over with yet. Well, you know, we we try 0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:59.240 to exhaust every avenue of investigation. We try to, you know, 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.840 you use every resource available and exhausted until it either 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.239 goes cold, where you've done everything you can, you just 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:07.200 can't make it work. You can't get all the you know, 0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:11.840 puzzle pieces to make a picture and see your stuck um. 0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:14.480 At other times, other things get involved. You know, you 0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:20.000 get there's there's you know, there's there's legal parameters and 0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:23.120 in obstacles that you have to overcome. You could sit 0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:26.640 and have really you know what happened. You know that 0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:31.240 maybe that confession was illegally obtained. Now you can't prosecute 0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:36.480 that guy, and so there's it's it's very complicated um scenario. 0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:40.680 But ultimately, you know, the game things were the hardest 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:43.600 because of just this culture of the people that knew 0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:45.960 what happened aren't going to tell you what happened. They're 0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:51.280 gonna nobody is saying nothing them. It's nest has always 0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.680 been in every neighborhood, even in Cleveland where we didn't 0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:56.720 have a gag thing back then. But I heard it's different. 0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:00.000 I heard they've got gangs up there. And though even 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.200 that was young, you was always talked to mind of 0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:04.920 your business. You don't open your mouth up about nobody's stuff, 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.680 you know what I mean. So something happened, if you 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.160 know the rudy depend on the corner shot, somebody shot 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.600 a trick. You was always talking. I didn't see nothing. 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.280 I don't know what. I don't know what you're talking about. 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.000 I'm not talking to you. You You don't even want to 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:18.480 in my neighborhood. You didn't even want to be seen 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.800 talking to the police, you know. I mean, the guy 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:23.280 had is no pad off back in the day. You 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:25.480 don't want to be seen talking to because you can 0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:29.440 wind up in a dick somewhere. So if if somebody 0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:32.600 shot your mom in front of you, and and and 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.000 killed your mama right in front of you, and the 0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:37.080 police asked you who did it, what you're gonna tell 0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:39.440 don't I'm not gonna say. I'm saying I don't know 0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:41.440 because I'm not gonna kill that motherfucker myself. I don't 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.080 know who did it. I want to go handle this myself, 0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.200 because I do think it's a such thing as hood justice. 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.960 I don't want him to go kich. So it ain't revenge. 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:55.080 Oh that's yeah, deficially, I'm killing my mom. It's like 0:33:55.080 --> 0:34:02.920 a motherfucker, it's still revenge. I don't kill y y'all flipsis. 0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:06.560 I didn't tell Gregg. I don't know who did it. 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:08.799 I'm gonna go get me the biggest pistol of the 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:11.080 fun and go. If I can't get him, I'm gonna 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:13.160 probably hear everybody else around them. I'm gonna make him 0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:15.640 feel the pain you're talking about, mama. You know in 0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:17.680 a lot of way that that's true justice. And when 0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.759 you think about Orlando killing Tupac and you think about poo, 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:24.000 you're killing big You know, they didn't go jail and 0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.240 sit there for years. They got killed on the streets 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.000 in the same way that they know exacted their own 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.120 sense of justice on And so you've got this situation 0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:35.440 like for me, that's perfect justice is an eye for 0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:39.680 an eye. You kill somebody, you need to get killed yourself. 0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:41.960 That's how it works. Is that had to be. And 0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:46.319 there's biblical like to keep one wish that's biblical. It's like, 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:49.719 I'm not bothering nobody, Mama own, but if you come 0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.520 text one of mine to bring the whole own reason 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:56.279 Trojans and Smartens and all the motherfucker's ship you kill 0:34:56.320 --> 0:35:00.040 the motherfucker and coming with a thousand ships about I 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:07.880 got an honest question, Greg, George Floyd, do you think 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:11.960 there's racism is a two part racism in the police 0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:17.520 depart racist police officers in the police department? And did 0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.960 you think what that officer did to George Floyd just 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:24.040 sitting on his nick was right? No, I can't say 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:27.160 that I think it was right. Um. I think that 0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:29.960 there was a lot of contributing factors. Though I don't 0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:32.919 think that that in and of itself is what got 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:35.520 George killed. But I think that there was other things 0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:40.120 going on physiologically obviously that I was on his neck 0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:43.000 way too long, But there was a lot of things 0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:46.400 that contributed to that death. The whole thing was just 0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:52.520 an extremely unfortunate situation. Um. But yeah, I don't know. 0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.640 I don't know shopping. I think this is the pronunciation 0:35:55.680 --> 0:36:00.640 and you know, I don't know what that guy's perspective 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:02.400 is on race. So I don't know that man, So 0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:06.200 I can't speak for him. Obviously, we can speculate or 0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:10.040 he must be racist because he's kneeling on the neck. 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:14.040 But I don't know. I can't I want to elaborate 0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:15.200 on that. I want to take a little bit. I 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.120 don't know the man, and I don't want to elaborate 0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:19.400 on that. Okay, cool, Well we're gonna take a break 0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:21.600 right now. We'll be back with more Gangster chronicles in 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:28.040 a minute. And we're back with more Gangster chronicles. You 0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:31.359 have something to say before the brigade? Um, I want 0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:36.000 to elaborate on the what James was saying earlier about, 0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:40.520 you know, the George Floyd thing. And my thing is, 0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:46.160 do you feel, as being a former officer, how do 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:51.960 you feel about how uh you're assigned to different areas? 0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:56.799 You know, how does the process go that gets you 0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:02.799 to patrol minority areas as opposed to going somewhere like 0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:06.319 Beverly Hills or whatever. So how is that, you know, 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:10.800 uh played out? Because I feel that sometimes you should 0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:16.240 evaluate the officers and get the try to figure out 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:20.960 who should work certain areas. You should see who has 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:25.560 the tolerance to deal with motherfucker's like I used to 0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:29.080 be as a youth for James or whatever, because let's 0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:32.600 face it, you send a white guy to the area 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.399 where it's a gang of black niggas and ship like that, 0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:39.440 it's gonna be uprest unless there were certain cops that 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.120 could come through the neighborhood that we knew that we're 0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:46.640 cool as opposed to here comes so and so you 0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:50.239 know we're fitna get fucked with. So how does how 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:54.879 does that work to where you know a motherfucker might 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:59.600 have a certain attitude towards but then they elect to 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.680 patrol this area. All right, So I can only speak 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:08.160 as it applies to mp D because that's my experience. Um, 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:11.120 it's it's relatively random. What you what you do is 0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.160 you put in a wish list for where you want 0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:16.640 to work. A lot of us, including myself, you know, 0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:19.640 we wanted to work the places that the we're the 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:22.920 most action was just because that's the most exciting. I 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.040 want to go where things are happening because I want 0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.600 to learn more and have more opportunities to get engaged with, 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:29.920 you know, police work. I don't want to work in 0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:33.600 a sleepy area and you know, sitting around waiting for 0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:36.200 a burglar alarm to go off. Some of its ladies cats, 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.920 and you know, I wanted to go and learn and 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:42.440 be you know, I want to do go and engage, 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:45.279 not in a bad way that I wanted to go 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:50.640 somewhere where police work was active. And uh, but to 0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:52.919 your question, it's random. You put in a wish list. 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:55.040 I put in like I want to work Southwest seventy 0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:56.640 seventh and Newton Division. I ended up in a new 0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:59.520 division in South Central, but all three of those divisions 0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:03.080 I put in, we're south Central, and it was just 0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:06.880 because that's where most of the action was happening. And 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:11.520 as a job, it's more exciting just and honestly it's 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:16.040 it's more exciting and so you're more challenged. You get 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:17.920 you know, you have an opportunity to really see what 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.200 you're made of, Like how am I going to behave 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:25.080 and reacting these kind of different environments that I that 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:28.319 I wasn't exposed to as a kid. But it's not 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.799 in a nefarious way. It's they're just because I want 0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:36.080 to go and learn and so. But I can also 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:37.719 to your point though, because I think I know where 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:39.560 you're kind of going with this, Man, I'm telling you 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.239 some of the African African American cops that I work with, 0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:49.000 they were vicious, probably worse than the Yeah, so you know, 0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:52.759 it's a really it comes down to the individual. And 0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:54.799 then that's kind of strange, you know, James, because I 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:56.960 was trying to elaborate on the George Floyd thing and 0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:00.960 shaving and you know, the next situation, and it was 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:04.319 obvious you was angry to be in that particular area 0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:06.920 of patrolling. This is this is what I believe. I 0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:10.520 think at the end of the day, before you start 0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:14.680 your ship till me if I'm wrong. My my thing 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.719 is to come home. But that sets it off as 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:20.960 soon as you get in that car and you don't 0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:24.680 know what you're gonna face today on the beach, you 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:28.279 know what I'm saying. So you got some officers, all 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:34.560 officers ain't really equipped for it because everybody got a 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:38.239 little fear in them when certain things happened, and when 0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:41.799 when certain things happened, you're not thinking just like us, 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:44.080 you know what I'm saying. But at the end of 0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:46.160 the day, I'm gonna do my job and I want 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.319 to go home. But what happens if you get into 0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:52.480 situation of shooting or or just because that one person 0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:54.960 had a gun and a lot of cats are being 0:40:55.800 --> 0:41:01.439 shot because there's no, ain't no morning shots. We're gonna 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:03.320 popped his mother because we ain't gonna give me a 0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:06.120 chance to shoot us. I'm going home at the end 0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:10.200 of the day to my wife. So just like when 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:13.719 I was speaking about Eric Barradon, he came. He was 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:17.200 in the neighborhood, he was working at the pool. He 0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:20.239 was being pumped, you know what I'm saying. And now 0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:25.640 he's a police officer. Now he has a grudge against 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:29.319 those that that was punking him. So now, being a 0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:32.520 top I got action to get back at him. And 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:37.200 then you see that mentality. The mentality is like you said, 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:41.280 it's random. I could choose them any fucking wearing patrol. 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.319 I'm going back there because I won't be able to 0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:51.959 funk with mother. So again and that no what what 0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.640 what happened? I was in a situation. It was a shooting, 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:58.919 and my stupid as you know, I ain't looking back 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.919 and this and that they were. I'm in a turn 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:06.880 of lane and catch drove up. We in the situation. 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:11.960 He's two cars behind me and when when they seen it, 0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:16.040 we hit it. We hit the left. They came right afterwards. 0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:20.960 But bye, But now I'm in jail and it's all 0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:23.879 these police officers in the hold of tank, and they said, 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.000 oh yeah, I just caught him. Read had to move. 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:29.719 You ain't called me doing ship. So he went big 0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:33.600 on me, but by me knowing Eric, you ain't evenna 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:35.640 hit me, mother funker. I don't even get me his cop. 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.359 And it was fortunate for me that Reggie right was there, 0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:43.239 senior and grabbed me and set my ass down. Do 0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:44.919 you know that? For the whoop your ass up in here? 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:48.400 And and he had action at that because it's just 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:52.720 me and jail faced with all these other police officers, 0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:56.680 but just me being me, I had to lash back 0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:58.880 at it. You know what I'm saying, because I know 0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:01.680 Eric is a weenie. You know what I'm saying. But 0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:04.719 the badge, how do you like? I can do what 0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:07.560 I want to do? Now I can't get So I 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:11.680 was faced. The tables turned on me because now in 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:16.120 your cor he's not a lifeguard, he's a police officer. 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:19.239 He's with his game now. Okay, So now he got 0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:22.400 asked to take everything that I've been to him and 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:26.120 get your pa and he hadn't. I can do that. 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:30.000 So it's I know for a fact that it's police 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:34.919 officers out there that are are nervous of their jobs, 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:40.759 So why pick to patrol what? You know? Motherfucker's That's 0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:43.200 actually a great point, and I think if there is 0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:47.440 reform that is probably you gotta do that. You you 0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:51.440 should never be on the work where you are going 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.839 to be encountering people that you got a pure group 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:58.360 against that you know you shouldn't. That's what I'm saying. 0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:00.879 He took it a point like one. He became a cop. 0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:03.080 He know when our greedy and he is over there. 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:06.319 He grew up over there. He made a deep at 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:09.120 to fucking choice and when I put this badge on, 0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:13.080 I want to patrol there. So but then again, so 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:19.200 I'm just kind of probably gonna second guest. I remember 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:22.560 working with this guy named Andy Thedford, and he grew 0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.640 up in the neighborhood that he patrolled, and he was 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:29.880 a fantastic officer, and he just saw generations of kids, 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:33.560 you know, over his thirty year career. And because he 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:37.080 knew his neighborhood and he knew a lot of these kids, 0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:41.200 that's what made him so good is because he had 0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:44.839 an insight that guys like me could never have had, really, right, 0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:46.960 So it's kind of a double edged sword because you 0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.319 know you're going back. Yeah, you can have beef with 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:51.480 people and try to get even using your badge and 0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.240 your gun in your authority. At the same time, maybe 0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:57.080 the best guys somebody who understands those neighborhoods better than 0:44:57.120 --> 0:45:00.880 anybody else, which which is good. But he used to 0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:06.520 get his asks. It's not because exactly getting talked. Now, 0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:09.360 what if he would have caught me on a bad 0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:13.400 night walking through the apartment at loss and then he 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:15.680 pulled me over and then he got me right there 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:20.399 when they go if he's shoot and killed me, this 0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:24.600 is morb James. This guy is look at his record 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:30.719 him so everything is gone. It's justified. It's justified. So 0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:35.320 my life didn't mean at this point because now here 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:39.040 my history is catching up with me. I'm facing a 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:41.080 cat that I used to get your bit sit your 0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:44.440 bitch now, y'all gonna go, you know what I'm saying. 0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:47.400 And then now here he is, he can do whatever 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:51.560 he wants to me, you feel me. So my whole 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:57.279 point is that you have police officers that that that 0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:00.239 I'm scared when they get out there, they and the 0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:06.520 flowing just like mine everybody is pumped up. Do they 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:11.560 have that that that Okay, I can handle the situation. 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:15.000 I know how to handle this situation now. Like Reggie 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.600 Wright Singer, He've been in a whole bunch of situations. 0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:21.000 Half the catch put their ship down and you got 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:24.640 me red, you know what I'm saying. But the ones 0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:27.239 that done with my ass, I'm not giving up to them. 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:29.480 I can't surrender to them because I know what's going 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:32.120 to happen now that up guy beat up so many 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:34.480 times in the back of the police car or bent 0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:38.360 over that car so many times. Oh he ain't benna 0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:41.759 catch me. He ain't gonna let him get me, you 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:45.479 know what I'm saying. But all police officers ain't bad, 0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:50.839 and you're a prime example of that. But people don't know, 0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:53.880 you know what I'm saying, just like they didn't know 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:59.279 that area's out here now. But everyone's getting pumped Did 0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:01.640 we put him in the situation? But they don't know 0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:04.840 that he's going where Catch used to do him like this, 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:07.520 you know what I'm saying. And nobody would never know. 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:09.839 If I want to told the story about the ones 0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:13.439 in the neighborhood exactly, this white killed him. James got 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:19.680 killed because was scared of him and James Ship. But 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.440 what your police officers, you know what I'm saying, And 0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:27.000 my question, greg is and I don't want you to 0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:28.560 I don't want to put you out there like that 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:32.919 to say. I want you to say it. It's all 0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:37.000 police officers good to be on the force. Do you 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:41.319 think that every police officer has that training to be 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:45.560 on the streets. Well, it's certainly not. I mean, you 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.560 look back at some of the examples of guys that 0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:51.560 just within the LAPD that should never have had badges, 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:53.920 that David Max and the Raphael Presis and the people 0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:56.600 that just had no business doing that, but you know, 0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.279 they were there. And we've got to deal with the 0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:02.319 fact that it's the fallible. It's a it's a human institution, 0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:06.799 and there's valiability, and you're gonna have bad seeds, you know, 0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:11.360 And unfortunately, in that profession, you just can't afford to 0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:14.680 have bad seeds because there's so much at stake. And 0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:17.960 you know so, but it's it's never gonna be a 0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:20.759 perfect equation. We can't have robots, we can't get people 0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:23.359 out there that can you know, and and and you 0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:25.480 and and fear is a big factor. And you know 0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.280 you brought up you were an environment where being around 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:31.080 guns and violence and stuff, you could tell their fear 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:33.760 because you're exposed to it. They have cops that aren't 0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:37.480 exposed to that. All of a sudden encountering that and 0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.960 that fear goes, you know, through your veins, and so 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:45.080 maybe you overreact. It's not necessarily out of like it's 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:48.799 some bad intention. It's just you overreact with situation that 0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:53.319 you're not fully equipped to deal with because you didn't 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:55.520 grow up in an environment where guns and violence and 0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:57.839 ship like that with second nature, And now you did. 0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:01.040 That's just like one of the war. You know, I 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:03.279 didn't want to be here, but I'm here, this is 0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:06.600 my job. And then now I'm faced with gang members 0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:08.560 with with guns. I don't know what they got in 0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:11.799 this car, and and I truly believe if I was 0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:14.840 a police officer, I'm gonna walk to the car with 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:18.399 my hand on my gun because I don't know. That 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:23.600 part is understandable. But you gotta know when the time 0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:25.879 is right. If you're not ready for the time is right, 0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:28.680 That's why a lot of us is getting killed. You 0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:31.760 know what I'm saying. Me and Reggie had an issue 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:37.399 with how police do certain things. When when you say 0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:40.319 I didn't want to speak, I don't, I don't ask 0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:43.759 questions made you feel if you don't, if you tell 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:46.480 me something like that, I'm gonna get mad. And now 0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:49.080 you don't pitch me off. Now I'm gonna do this 0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:51.800 and that to you. Now I want to search your card, 0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:55.120 whether you've got license, insurance or whatever. Now I'm gonna 0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:57.680 pull you out and treat you a different kind of way. 0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:01.200 So it's basically, if you ain't kiss in my asses, yes, certainly, 0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:04.560 no shirt. We're gonna have a bad day. Now, what 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:07.279 happens when you run into that one police officer that 0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:09.840 that's having a bad day and come to work because 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:16.000 he mattered his wife? You in trouble? Are you just 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:18.680 running to a game manner that you really feel like, 0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:21.000 I don't care no more. It's like I look at 0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:24.000 the whole situation with police like this is they they 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:28.200 still human beings, just like you got asshole that might 0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:30.319 live the next door to you, and he might be 0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:33.960 the grocery manager. You grocery manager, ass So that same 0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:36.080 dude come a cop. He's a cop that as so 0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:38.960 now you're doing and I think whenever you have that 0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:42.160 human element, you always go have some kind of room 0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:44.200 for error, because, like you said in the rodbots, like 0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:47.480 um they talked about in the l A County you know, 0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:51.960 um Shaff Department, that it's a game there called executioners. 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:56.200 There's a big game there. And apparently this guy aust 0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:59.319 Berthrow Gonzalez, you know, he had knowledgely he put it 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:01.680 an anonymous hip. This dude, we're doing some bad ship. 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:04.240 He gets a text on his phone, there's a picture 0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:06.680 of the words he's a snacks on the wall. So 0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:09.160 now he's scared for his life because he came and 0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:12.600 dropped the dime. Do you think that this? And I 0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:14.120 don't know if you could talk about that, it's not 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:15.680 great because I don't know, you've got a cold. You 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:17.839 steal the police officer, you can be you know, telling 0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:21.160 them nobody. But how big is that in the law 0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:24.719 enforcement like gangs and stuffing from the police department. Well, 0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:29.160 I wouldn't for me because that turn gangs is a 0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:33.080 specific thing. You know, there's a definition for gangs and 0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:37.080 it doesn't apply under these situations. And so let's say groups, Yeah, 0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:39.600 so there are groups. So there are these cliques or 0:51:39.640 --> 0:51:44.279 brotherhoods or these you know, these kind of fraternal um 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:49.799 type of mentalities, they definitely exist and just like they 0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:52.920 do in the military, and you know, so we do 0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:56.000 kind of align ourselves under this life when we listen, 0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:58.080 I got your back. We're gonna be in this together. 0:51:58.160 --> 0:52:04.200 We're facing all these you know, these these uh different situations. 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:07.919 But it's not they're not gangs because the gangs means 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:11.160 a particular thing to me. Right there's a definition for 0:52:11.200 --> 0:52:14.600 what a gag is and it doesn't apply to that um. 0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:20.640 But certainly this idea that you know, we need to 0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:23.719 get these certain tattoos to identify ourselves as part of 0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:26.879 this you know station, because that's one of the things 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:29.840 that l A County had a big you know, ordeals 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:33.480 like why are these guys having these tattoos put on themselves? See, 0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:36.640 then it starts to get it's then it starts to 0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:40.200 fulfill those qualifications of what a game and what a 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:42.000 gain is. And that's what I was gonna say, because 0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:46.360 you know, they said that these guys had matching school tattoos, 0:52:46.400 --> 0:52:48.840 and people in the community see as as a criminal 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:51.880 gang within law enforcement, you know, because they understand what 0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:54.879 people's ask because I'll tell you. And this is why 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:57.440 I had to escalated. You know, sitting in between two 0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:00.480 you know, you get off the seventh m the one 0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:03.120 or five they're going to seventeen, and seventeen is closed off. 0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:05.360 So I wound up getting off on like Atlantic or 0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:07.200 something like that. So I'm going in Atlantic, you know, 0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:10.080 to go back to the crib. I get pulled over 0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:12.400 and these dude snacks baby seats on the back of 0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:14.560 the car. I'm sitting on the curb and they pretty 0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:16.960 much told me if we're don't find nothing, you can go. 0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:20.400 I have some you know speakers. You know you got 0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:22.480 your big speakers back in the day. They punched a 0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:24.479 hole of my speakers, and well, we're trying to find 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:28.759 like it's pretty much tork my stuff up right. I 0:53:28.840 --> 0:53:30.680 asked to do it for his badge number, you know, 0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:32.759 like I need your name and your badge. Remember, he 0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:34.640 was just like, you don't need ship, you body, just 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:37.719 hope we don't find ship. And that was that. They 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:40.680 sent me on my way and I felt real like 0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:43.160 not not sign no pussy, but I don't feel fold. 0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:45.000 I said, man, these dudes just don't pretty much pulled 0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:46.680 me up a punk. You don't talk my ship, but 0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:51.359 they can't do it. And hi yo, that's normal sucking 0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:53.839 wear and tearing here. Well I found that out there. 0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:56.880 You have to remember this later on life, but not 0:53:57.040 --> 0:53:59.759 to just be on the booze ship. I don't even 0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:01.520 look like I'm you know, I'm brought it back. I'm 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:05.920 coming back from the nigga in fucking little Langwood and 0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:09.120 a fucking Catalan truck. Is that they rite your profile? 0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:15.560 Is you are profiled forecatching the car, chew, catching the car, 0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:19.799 hats on leaning music. Let's see what they got. Nine 0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:22.000 times out of ten they found something, because that's how 0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:25.680 you roll it, find it. They's always have a gun 0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:27.919 on them. No, wait a minute, they already know that. 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:31.920 But we don't switch it up. You know, at the 0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:33.400 end of the day, we did because we had the 0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:37.439 females following us with all the goodies. But we're rolling cool. 0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:40.080 So when they pull us over, you got your license 0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:42.200 and bad they pull you out. They put you in 0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:44.640 the back seat of their car. They searched the car. 0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:48.000 Y'all going to row, we check off shoot and see 0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:50.080 that's the legal in itself, because when they wanted all 0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:52.400 of them you're not supposed to do that. We know, 0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:54.960 but you ain't supposed to know that you're not supposed 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:56.920 to do They're not talking about said, dude, you just 0:54:57.000 --> 0:54:59.279 can't just go on my ship shots and know what 0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:01.160 they're gonna do. They the due shut out and that 0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:05.279 the whole situation is what I'm trying to say is 0:55:06.480 --> 0:55:09.799 they do that not to disrespect, but they do that 0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:12.800 because you are nigga dumb from Compton Long Beech with 0:55:13.000 --> 0:55:15.360 you ain't supposed to all that. It ain't supposed to 0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:18.759 be talking about. You can go in my glove compartment. 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:21.560 That's illegal search and siege. You ain't supposed to know that. 0:55:21.800 --> 0:55:25.239 And you can say about of hammering there A good 0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:33.200 lawyer's gonna be the case because I love I left 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:35.160 the middle of that. I look, it was all It's 0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:37.319 just lucked, right, had the key to it was just 0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:41.000 lucking dude Twarter like true, you know I'm locking a 0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:43.719 death strong He twitter shot up like like what is he? Like? 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:46.960 What's looking for something? And it wasn't no expection. The 0:55:46.960 --> 0:55:49.360 explanation and why I got pulled over, It was just 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:51.879 you get over sitting the curve. Then you know it's 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:56.080 like this and another time I had to do that. Um, 0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:58.080 he was out writing tickets. This is when I stayed 0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:00.879 in orph Long Beach. Right, he was up there right tickets, right. 0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:05.479 And so he told my car for being this much 0:56:06.320 --> 0:56:08.200 like a little inch over in the red right eve 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:11.040 until it he gave me a ticket. Right, I'll see 0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:14.360 it some smart ship. Because he was sitting up, you know, 0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:17.040 sitting a smart street. I rolled by and I pulled 0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:19.640 out like up. I said, hey, I'm gonna get some donuts. 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:21.960 You want something. I was stupid. I should have did 0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:24.960 that ship. The next day, this motherfucker knocked on my door. 0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:27.120 I pulled up to the house to go get my wife, right, 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:28.759 because we just want to get our son. You know, 0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:31.680 my mother loves us. And he said, by the way, 0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:33.320 that you thought you had a women for your arrest, 0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:36.839 And that motherfucker said something like ten And I said 0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:39.839 for what? And I said, he said, you have a 0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:41.960 warrant from arrest from nine nine two. I said, he 0:56:42.040 --> 0:56:44.960 was a damn I wasn't even driving from nine. It 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:46.640 was a ticket to turn to a warrant, right, And 0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:50.439 the things said, Norman Steam. This dude took me down 0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:52.719 a jail man. That's when I realized right there, I said, 0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:58.399 she just for the inconvenienced that you caused him when 0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:01.080 you could have been cool. Actually thought that that was 0:57:01.160 --> 0:57:03.959 you had a warrant Norman Stein. I wasn't even getting 0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:08.840 nothing to them. It don't matter out here. The mentality 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.920 when I when I was growing up in the hood, 0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:15.000 that was normal ship. I could be riding by my 0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:17.880 motherfuck himself and he was ready to bust a left 0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:19.919 or right, and as soon as the motherfucker make eye 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:23.720 contact with me and some of that, and you could 0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:28.280 be clean. No dope, no whatever, it don't matter. Get 0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:31.360 your ass out, sit on the curve and let me 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:34.720 tear up everything. And then when I don't find nothing, 0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:37.240 you thank me my fun. But you gotta look at it. 0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:40.680 You like this, say, being in the hood, they know 0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:43.920 who you are. You already profiled exactly. Anybody that signed 0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:47.640 that we know who you is. So when they see you, 0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:50.080 they already know what type of person you is. They 0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:54.720 we just might find someone this due today nine times. 0:57:54.720 --> 0:57:57.680 I've to tend that's what they're going on. Exactly half 0:57:57.720 --> 0:58:00.720 of the half of the ship that we do getting 0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:03.000 fished off. We know we can't win. I learned this 0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:06.760 a long time ago. Just say, okay, you just keep 0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:08.840 your hands on the car, don't put your hands in 0:58:08.920 --> 0:58:11.960 your pocket. That's a sign, that's the gesture that what 0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:15.240 the fun you're doing talking ship to him? Ain't finna 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:19.920 get you nowhere? Nine times out of chin is a 0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:24.280 small infraction, change into get your ashwood kicked on the 0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:27.280 ground the whole night. When all I had to do 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:29.640 is just go back. When I tell you that them 0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:31.640 dudes that came back to the crib right because he's 0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:34.439 taking me outside and I'm telling them, dude, I wasn't 0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:38.520 here in college because I came here in eight with 0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:41.040 the long bat City College, got a scholarship somewhere, and 0:58:41.080 --> 0:58:43.080 I'm over there during that time, you know, the second 0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:45.440 two years. So I'm like, I wasn't even here, you 0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:46.840 know what I mean? So hey, gonna tell me I 0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:49.200 got a warmth my risk. But when I tell you 0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:52.840 whatever he was from that microphone, this is about forty 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:58.480 motherfucker's poplished They had me some let me have a problem, 0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:01.320 reach play do the cool up. I saw this point 0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:04.160 through this. He was just waiting with timass up like 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:08.560 a pin young. So you're seeing this whole scenario through 0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:11.920 with your eyes. That guy doesn't know that you weren't here. 0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:16.120 In his mind, he's just processing information, trying to make 0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:18.520 you know, try trying to make sense of it all, 0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:21.560 and he might think this warrant is yours, so he 0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:24.200 has to go through a certain procedure. He doesn't know 0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:26.560 you weren't here. You know you weren't here. And that 0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:30.240 makes sense to you when they when they call it 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:33.880 a certain warrant or whatever, the hype, the weight and 0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:37.360 everything shows up. Yeah, it should the warrant that you know, 0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:39.480 if it's a ten year old warrant, how much can 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:42.760 change in ten years just hype. Well no, I'm just 0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:46.120 saying that that those things need to be taken in consideration. 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:48.480 If I pulled you over and it says five ten, 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:52.040 and I'm like, well, clearly there's a problem here, right, 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:54.920 So yeah, I'm already gonna be like this probably isn't you. 0:59:55.160 --> 0:59:57.600 But if there are consistencies that I have to go 0:59:57.680 --> 1:00:00.480 through the process. If because I can't to whom he's 1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:06.760 telling me the truth? Ticket and up man, this misty. 1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:08.960 But it was inconvenient with me because I had to 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:11.320 build up I never got that money back. But that's 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:17.000 what it was. It was inconvenience, just as smart as 1:00:17.080 --> 1:00:19.680 the other day by rolling by showing your bank I 1:00:19.720 --> 1:00:23.360 don't know, I'm gonna say that we have enough stuff 1:00:23.440 --> 1:00:24.920 that we can do, or we're not gonna spend a 1:00:24.960 --> 1:00:27.520 whole bunch of time just trying to inconvenience you because 1:00:27.560 --> 1:00:30.000 we can go out and do our job, find other 1:00:30.080 --> 1:00:32.000 things to do. To take you to the station and 1:00:32.040 --> 1:00:34.120 find out that it's not really you, that's a pain 1:00:34.200 --> 1:00:36.320 in the ass. Yeah, but I see that's coming from 1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:38.760 a cop like you, who's on the up and up, 1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:42.080 a motherfucker like the dude that y'all used to punk, 1:00:42.400 --> 1:00:44.720 and the motherfucker that you're showing your bank roll too. 1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:49.120 I'm gonna find a reason to funk with you, straight up. 1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:52.440 It got nothing to do with it. Yeah, of course, 1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:55.120 we got plenty of fucking ships we could be doing. 1:00:55.480 --> 1:00:57.800 Then the fucking with you. But you want to be 1:00:57.840 --> 1:01:01.520 an asshole, and I want ready in this this this 1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:06.080 element of bangers and drug dealers and motherfucker's I don't 1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:10.160 really get down with. So the colde is motherfucker shut 1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:13.320 up and don't say ship because I'm just an asshole. 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:15.440 I see your cars in the red by ten inches. 1:01:15.800 --> 1:01:18.040 I could be like him and be like, hey, move 1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:20.480 your car, or I could be like his cop and 1:01:20.520 --> 1:01:23.560 go you got ticket, And then when you want to 1:01:23.600 --> 1:01:25.240 come by and go yeah, I'm going to go get 1:01:25.280 --> 1:01:28.120 some done nuts. Okay, motherfucker. I'm gonna get on my 1:01:28.200 --> 1:01:31.560 computer and find the motherfucker that fits your description and 1:01:31.640 --> 1:01:33.920 close to you, and I'm coming back and take your 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:37.160 asking to do. I know it ain't You're fuck if 1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:39.720 I ain't, I know it ain't you. But the inconvenience 1:01:39.960 --> 1:01:42.320 that pulled you out of that motherfucker because you're doing 1:01:42.360 --> 1:01:45.320 all of this now, convenience asking goes spend that ship 1:01:45.560 --> 1:01:47.720 on the bail. When I tell you that this dude 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:50.040 drove by my house all the time, Me and mother me, 1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:52.440 I'm feeling like a ticket picture of the world. He's 1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:57.080 right like this, just me, mother like this. Anything, let's 1:01:57.120 --> 1:02:00.680 do something's there. I can do some far rob Man 1:02:01.120 --> 1:02:03.200 and I would tickets askew to you and sit you 1:02:03.280 --> 1:02:06.920 right back down. Keep one of the crests and I'm 1:02:06.920 --> 1:02:10.240 not looking at them. So y'all got it, y'all ask 1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:12.240 what's the color? I used to go in the house 1:02:12.240 --> 1:02:15.040 and open the windows, rolling windows out to break your 1:02:15.040 --> 1:02:17.320 bit chests in here. I used to make up the man, mother, 1:02:17.760 --> 1:02:22.000 come on in our dare you well, come on outside, James, 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:25.600 and let's let's talk. Do you think I'm stupid? I 1:02:25.720 --> 1:02:28.120 used to them all the time. They came to my 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:31.200 house and uh, talking about I just did a robbery, 1:02:31.760 --> 1:02:34.080 and uh we out there part of this When I 1:02:34.120 --> 1:02:36.800 had parties every every weekend. They told me I had 1:02:36.800 --> 1:02:39.600 to shut it down. I don't have a license for it, man, 1:02:40.200 --> 1:02:43.080 and put the locker on the gate. Everybody inside with 1:02:43.160 --> 1:02:46.280 y'all talking. They came back, said it was Robbie. I 1:02:46.360 --> 1:02:49.120 pit the description. They went in the house, they found 1:02:49.160 --> 1:02:53.840 two pistols and they wouldn't mine, but they found the 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:58.360 two pistols, and uh, I go to jail and Reggie said, 1:02:59.600 --> 1:03:02.760 this ain't it? What what what are you in there for? 1:03:03.840 --> 1:03:05.720 And that was one good thing about Reggie right Sen, 1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:09.720 you know what I'm saying. So I totally don't fit 1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:12.920 the description of these more focuses, but I had police 1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:17.000 officers just just didn't like me. And Regie right said, 1:03:17.080 --> 1:03:19.960 that's a good example for a guy who who worked 1:03:19.960 --> 1:03:25.680 where he lived community police. And that was a good thing. 1:03:25.680 --> 1:03:29.560 That's why I think that should be you know, sort 1:03:29.560 --> 1:03:35.320 of uh inherited into motherfucker's joining the force or whatever. 1:03:36.760 --> 1:03:38.720 I need to know why you want to patrol in 1:03:38.840 --> 1:03:43.360 Compton being who you are? But is that contradicted because 1:03:44.120 --> 1:03:47.800 the brother police officers, black police officers, they was harder 1:03:47.840 --> 1:03:52.560 than the white boys because a lot of them was pumped. Asked, 1:03:52.600 --> 1:03:56.800 motherfucker's and now they want to come back to a 1:03:56.920 --> 1:04:01.160 place where they can pump. The next he had a 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:06.720 lot of friends. Motherfucker grow up and get his ass 1:04:06.800 --> 1:04:09.600 kid getting puffed and can't get it to motherfucker set 1:04:09.640 --> 1:04:11.760 your ass down. You can't get the pool right there 1:04:12.040 --> 1:04:14.360 that I would grow up and I'm ana join the force. 1:04:14.520 --> 1:04:16.400 And when they asked me where I want to patrol 1:04:17.120 --> 1:04:20.400 like Louis Park is why I want to God never, 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:22.520 the first thing I do with I put that badge 1:04:22.520 --> 1:04:28.520 over want. I just mean, I'm wanting down this motherfucker's 1:04:28.640 --> 1:04:31.160 I'm going down your street, right down. They in my car, 1:04:31.320 --> 1:04:33.120 and I don't have been cooking up in the six phone. 1:04:33.200 --> 1:04:36.320 Motherfucking dates they got come it down that mother coke 1:04:36.560 --> 1:04:38.720 r And I'm just rolling looking at your ass in 1:04:38.760 --> 1:04:42.520 the front yard like every would have had to do 1:04:42.600 --> 1:04:44.920 what he had to do if that would have ever happened, 1:04:44.920 --> 1:04:47.840 because I ain't gonna let him pump me, you know 1:04:47.880 --> 1:04:53.600 what I'm saying. But he probably gonna you know, he 1:04:53.640 --> 1:04:55.360 wouldn't got it. He when he got it that he 1:04:55.360 --> 1:04:59.880 didn't get it in best use window. He is like, 1:05:00.000 --> 1:05:04.120 excuse when it was totally against me. And and I 1:05:04.120 --> 1:05:07.680 wouldn't give him that satisfaction. I couldn't. I wouldn't give 1:05:07.680 --> 1:05:09.320 a funk if I was scared as fun because I 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:13.760 know they've feenl with my ask. I couldn't give him that. Yeah, 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:16.720 and that's crazy. You can give him that satisfaction, you know. Great. 1:05:16.880 --> 1:05:18.800 I want to get back to the murders real quick 1:05:19.280 --> 1:05:21.360 because it's a couple of but I'm really trying to 1:05:21.400 --> 1:05:24.240 find out man, it's why it's California murder rate so 1:05:24.400 --> 1:05:26.760 high compared to these other places. But what I wanted 1:05:26.760 --> 1:05:28.280 to ask you, I wanted to go back to one 1:05:28.320 --> 1:05:30.280 of real famous one that men have happened not too 1:05:30.280 --> 1:05:33.760 long ago, Rest of peace, Nipsey Hustle. What did you 1:05:33.800 --> 1:05:37.640 think about that whole thing? But again, so this goes 1:05:37.680 --> 1:05:39.760 back to the idea that you know, if you have 1:05:39.800 --> 1:05:43.880 a high profile name, you're gonna get more resources dumped 1:05:43.880 --> 1:05:47.200 into the investigative effort. And so because he was somebody 1:05:47.240 --> 1:05:51.080 that was a notable figure, and um, there was a 1:05:51.400 --> 1:05:55.480 lot of pressure to solve that. A lot of you know, 1:05:55.960 --> 1:05:59.240 it went to robbery homicide. You Otherwise, if it's just 1:05:59.240 --> 1:06:01.320 a random gangster, would have stayed division or with the 1:06:01.400 --> 1:06:05.080 homicide investigators who are already taxed because they've got a 1:06:05.120 --> 1:06:08.480 bunch of other homicides to investigate. Right, So then it 1:06:08.520 --> 1:06:11.120 goes to a specialized you know like Robert Homicide division 1:06:11.120 --> 1:06:13.480 where they can just dump tons of resources and mappower 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:16.560 into it. And so that's why you know, he got 1:06:16.800 --> 1:06:20.840 salved relatively quickly. Um, and is my whole partner, Darren 1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:23.600 Depre you know, worked on that case, and if he 1:06:23.640 --> 1:06:29.200 worked on Pop Smoke and uh, you know you And 1:06:29.240 --> 1:06:34.120 when you say the resources that are provided, is that financial, 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:38.960 it's not? Just so basically, yeah, the money basically falls 1:06:39.040 --> 1:06:42.000 where the high profile case goes, right As opposed to 1:06:42.640 --> 1:06:46.680 Mipsy being just a regular homie from sixties got popped, 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:50.920 nobody's offering fifty thou dollar rewards for information. There's no 1:06:51.000 --> 1:06:54.200 money for getting up on emergency wire taps, which are 1:06:54.240 --> 1:06:58.200 really expensive pain informants. There's a whole bunch of different 1:06:58.200 --> 1:07:01.840 avenues of investigation that call money that you're not going 1:07:01.880 --> 1:07:04.960 to spend on. Just some hold on, I'm let me 1:07:05.000 --> 1:07:08.400 go back to the paying informance, so that those two 1:07:08.680 --> 1:07:12.760 dudes who make a living like a much how much informance? 1:07:12.800 --> 1:07:15.000 How much the performance get Well, if you're a federal 1:07:15.000 --> 1:07:16.760 informat if you're working for one of the you know, 1:07:16.760 --> 1:07:19.000 the d A or the FBI, you're making pretty good 1:07:19.000 --> 1:07:22.480 money because they have you know, they have a deeper 1:07:22.480 --> 1:07:26.080 pockets and lap d informat If you're buying dope, you're 1:07:26.080 --> 1:07:28.320 just you're barely making enough to get through the week, 1:07:28.960 --> 1:07:31.000 you know. So it just really depends on what type 1:07:31.000 --> 1:07:34.400 of work you're doing and for who. So they has 1:07:34.400 --> 1:07:35.840 got a budget, is that what they do with all 1:07:35.880 --> 1:07:37.840 the dope that they sees when that money comes up? 1:07:37.920 --> 1:07:40.640 Miss when they took that money. So there's so if 1:07:40.640 --> 1:07:42.920 you're an informant working for the d e A and 1:07:43.080 --> 1:07:47.760 you you know, assistant an investigation that leads to a 1:07:47.840 --> 1:07:51.800 hundred billion dollars and assid forfacer asked that forfeit your seizures, 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:57.360 you know you're you are potentially entitled to of that 1:07:57.600 --> 1:08:00.600 what they see. Really, so if you sees stuff, you 1:08:00.640 --> 1:08:04.680 are the informative thing is that busses, the Tony Montanas 1:08:04.720 --> 1:08:08.320 and the mansions and the rolls races and all that money. 1:08:08.520 --> 1:08:11.680 So you can you can actually live and get you 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:14.080 buy your own and if you get you go stitch 1:08:14.120 --> 1:08:16.400 it on the big top. Butfuckers getting your tempers say 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:22.240 confession what you that's crazy. But the money that that 1:08:22.240 --> 1:08:26.559 that the government sees, they take that money and put 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:29.519 it right back into that's the resources that they have 1:08:29.760 --> 1:08:32.400 goes back in the drug enforcement operations. So it just 1:08:32.520 --> 1:08:34.960 funds out because it's super expensive. You're getting up on 1:08:34.960 --> 1:08:38.920 a wire tap, you know, Um you're all these monitors 1:08:38.920 --> 1:08:41.360 and all of these people that are typing things. It's 1:08:41.640 --> 1:08:43.880 really expensive. So why does they say they broke and 1:08:43.920 --> 1:08:47.920 they don't They don't have researchers to go after this 1:08:48.040 --> 1:08:52.679 person and that person. When every case they have in season, 1:08:52.800 --> 1:08:57.400 cars and houses and all that which are sold, that 1:08:57.439 --> 1:08:59.400 money goes on the dollar. By the way, you know 1:08:59.439 --> 1:09:01.280 a lot of that stuff isn't sold for what it's 1:09:01.320 --> 1:09:04.639 actually worth. The government doesn't want to be taxed, can help, 1:09:04.720 --> 1:09:06.400 you know, they don't want to. It makes them look 1:09:06.520 --> 1:09:10.840 get rid of this. Yeah, and so it's it's sold 1:09:12.600 --> 1:09:15.040 for much less than it's actually worth. And then but 1:09:15.160 --> 1:09:18.479 if they're if they're just actual you know, cash seizures. 1:09:18.760 --> 1:09:21.320 You know, if you stumble one a million dollars, you know, 1:09:21.400 --> 1:09:23.559 most of that just goes right back into the process 1:09:23.560 --> 1:09:28.120 of investigating, goes right back to feed the effort. You know, 1:09:28.200 --> 1:09:29.759 I know a lot of that money come and missing 1:09:29.760 --> 1:09:32.280 before they even hit the station too, because again you've 1:09:32.280 --> 1:09:35.240 got the human element, you know what I mean. You know, 1:09:35.800 --> 1:09:40.120 let's go back to the pop smoke thing. Um. With technology, man, 1:09:41.040 --> 1:09:43.759 are you think the police department is seeing more people 1:09:43.760 --> 1:09:46.480 like with the pop smoke incident? He was on Instagram? 1:09:46.560 --> 1:09:48.679 You know, the location is one that's what people don't 1:09:48.680 --> 1:09:50.960 know when you put a picture up sometimes if you're 1:09:51.000 --> 1:09:52.760 don't have your settings on the phone or right away, 1:09:52.760 --> 1:09:54.720 if somebody got the right software, they can tell where 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:58.439 you took the picture of. It gets even more interesting 1:09:58.439 --> 1:10:01.960 than that. Like it's called deal fencing. And what happens 1:10:02.080 --> 1:10:05.759 is if there's a crime scene and the police department 1:10:05.800 --> 1:10:10.439 has the capability of putting a fence around a certain 1:10:10.520 --> 1:10:14.960 vicinity and they can capture everything that's getting tweeted, everything 1:10:15.000 --> 1:10:19.200 that's getting Facebook, everything that's being communicated is in seeking 1:10:19.320 --> 1:10:22.360 then digital if if if some witness from their windows 1:10:22.360 --> 1:10:24.680 season murder bill downs just man, I just saw that guy, 1:10:25.560 --> 1:10:29.479 and then they can go and talk to her. You 1:10:29.600 --> 1:10:32.439 tweeted this out, You just tweeted this out. Did you 1:10:32.479 --> 1:10:35.720 actually see this or not? You know? And sometimes it's 1:10:35.720 --> 1:10:38.200 like now I didn't. So do they do that just 1:10:38.600 --> 1:10:41.960 randomly or it happens when a crime seem happens. It 1:10:42.040 --> 1:10:49.000 happens when it's a crime scene of significant significant So 1:10:49.040 --> 1:10:51.799 they can put up a digital fence and basically go back. 1:10:52.040 --> 1:10:55.880 It's just like reading a cell tower going in, being going. 1:10:56.120 --> 1:10:58.320 So they can put up this fence in this perimeter 1:10:58.680 --> 1:11:01.120 and just basically just start pulling up everything from the 1:11:01.200 --> 1:11:08.680 last five hours anyway. And I hope the kids out 1:11:08.720 --> 1:11:10.479 here here all this, you know, because the thing he 1:11:10.680 --> 1:11:15.640 was like, I tell people today, man, it's almost impossible 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:19.240 to get away with some shot. It's almost impossible because 1:11:19.240 --> 1:11:21.120 the thing he was, if you go smoke somebody, you 1:11:21.160 --> 1:11:23.800 haven't have your cell phone in your pocket and they 1:11:23.840 --> 1:11:26.120 asked you where were you having this? And you talked 1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:28.280 about man, I was in Corona doing this and they said, well, 1:11:28.280 --> 1:11:31.360 we have your cell phone, you know, being tracked on 1:11:31.439 --> 1:11:33.160 on each side of the company, you know what I'm saying, 1:11:33.160 --> 1:11:36.760 and that night, so it's almost impossible, man, because the 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:38.920 way they got Pop smoked. Man. You know, he was 1:11:38.960 --> 1:11:43.280 in Beverley Hills and the door got kicked in. And 1:11:43.280 --> 1:11:45.120 now see I looked at that as something they was 1:11:45.200 --> 1:11:48.360 coming to get him directly, because they didn't take nothing, nothing, 1:11:48.520 --> 1:11:50.320 you know, they didn't still nothing, So it wasn't like 1:11:50.320 --> 1:11:53.280 it was just a regular home invasion robbery. They didn't 1:11:53.280 --> 1:11:55.120 take ship, They left all the jury when they just 1:11:55.120 --> 1:11:59.479 want to kill him. Let me tell you something, a 1:11:59.520 --> 1:12:03.360 lot of these cats were being killed. It's inside ship. 1:12:04.360 --> 1:12:07.160 If you welcome with a stack of money. If you're 1:12:07.160 --> 1:12:09.599 hanging out with a stack of money and you ain't 1:12:09.600 --> 1:12:13.840 spreading that stack of money amongst us, somebody out of 1:12:13.880 --> 1:12:16.840 that five or somebody out of that group period is 1:12:16.840 --> 1:12:20.240 gonna set you up. That's a money racks. Man. We 1:12:20.240 --> 1:12:21.960 can eat up that before we could do who who 1:12:22.120 --> 1:12:26.120 what that? That's all that happened to him, And and 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:29.800 the majority of them want buckers. See we do the 1:12:29.800 --> 1:12:32.400 ship to each other once again. So that's all that 1:12:32.479 --> 1:12:36.439 happens you out here, just like the little cat that 1:12:36.520 --> 1:12:41.080 was in and he had these eighty racks on him 1:12:41.320 --> 1:12:43.800 and he checking pictures and all of this, and they 1:12:43.920 --> 1:12:47.800 gathered bet five thousand, vet ten thousand. I'm talking about 1:12:47.800 --> 1:12:55.519 they He had eighties sitting there, sitting there, and he 1:12:55.600 --> 1:12:57.960 still got a backpack full of money. You don't know 1:12:58.080 --> 1:13:02.240 me from jack now. If I was like tways twenty 1:13:02.280 --> 1:13:06.040 years ago, it over gotta being on the phone. Get 1:13:06.120 --> 1:13:09.439 up here right hey, my nigga, I'm about I'm about 1:13:09.439 --> 1:13:12.920 to go, but just right here and getting here with 1:13:13.000 --> 1:13:15.479 a hunted in the back, we pick the flow show 1:13:15.560 --> 1:13:19.760 and show what we've got going on. You got cats. 1:13:19.800 --> 1:13:22.240 You gotta remember you got people out here that of 1:13:22.360 --> 1:13:27.040 starting brothers out here that we'll get you for that paper. 1:13:27.880 --> 1:13:30.040 So if you if you're profiling like that, and then 1:13:30.080 --> 1:13:33.280 you you on you on Instagram, you're on Facebook, you're 1:13:33.320 --> 1:13:36.280 going live. They know you right there, they know what 1:13:36.360 --> 1:13:38.599 you think. It goes back to the to the just 1:13:38.640 --> 1:13:42.519 what I was saying, like the other day, Um, when 1:13:42.560 --> 1:13:47.600 I grew up, we had a certain code of but 1:13:47.800 --> 1:13:53.759 not flossiness. He feel me today. It's the main stay 1:13:54.200 --> 1:13:57.880 for the young cats. All of them do it just 1:13:58.080 --> 1:14:01.519 money to the ear, the two million dollars of ice on, 1:14:02.240 --> 1:14:08.040 you know, because to them that represents respect from other motherfucker's. 1:14:08.320 --> 1:14:10.200 You know what I'm saying. In our days, the respect 1:14:10.320 --> 1:14:12.439 came from who you was and which you could do 1:14:12.479 --> 1:14:16.360 with these or he was in the period and give 1:14:16.400 --> 1:14:19.080 a funk. You didn't have to be. I didn't have 1:14:19.120 --> 1:14:22.639 to be the big time fucking drug dealer nigga. Don nigga, 1:14:22.640 --> 1:14:26.479 no need period, you give me. That's the respect we had. 1:14:26.560 --> 1:14:29.679 That Kemper's in the T shirt. That's it. We didn't 1:14:29.720 --> 1:14:32.200 have to remember. Let me go to the this motherfucker 1:14:32.240 --> 1:14:34.360 to swap me and buy me up a gang of 1:14:34.400 --> 1:14:37.320 Turkish ropes and do all. We had a few drug 1:14:37.400 --> 1:14:40.240 dealers and ballers who did that ship before the majority 1:14:40.560 --> 1:14:43.080 niggas had names as a whole. Who they are. We 1:14:43.200 --> 1:14:46.760 now to respect code and who you demand. If you 1:14:46.800 --> 1:14:49.400 show up with a billion chains on and then you're 1:14:49.400 --> 1:14:52.080 taking pictures with the phone to your ear and you 1:14:52.160 --> 1:14:56.559 get me like like my nigga, James said, it's nigga's 1:14:56.560 --> 1:15:01.920 still starving in Compton. It's a nigga next to you starving. 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:04.960 You might have bought it that the outfit gutting some 1:15:05.040 --> 1:15:07.680 shoes that look like you and that's their homie. But 1:15:08.560 --> 1:15:11.760 he ain't got the fucking tents in his pocket. And 1:15:11.800 --> 1:15:14.759 you're sitting over here with fucking fucking half a million 1:15:14.840 --> 1:15:18.400 in your laughing like this. That causes jealousy. Come on, man, 1:15:18.479 --> 1:15:21.559 but this story has ended them, story James, this story 1:15:21.600 --> 1:15:24.920 has ended No. Um, he was up in the game, 1:15:25.040 --> 1:15:28.479 little fat boy. Um James talked to him and told 1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:31.799 him to be careful. I'll talked to him. He showed 1:15:31.800 --> 1:15:33.680 me a little nine million media in his back. Well, 1:15:33.680 --> 1:15:36.240 I got some o g somebody coming here and I said, man, 1:15:36.240 --> 1:15:37.720 that's not gonna do shoot. I said, I know some 1:15:37.760 --> 1:15:39.920 motherfucker's that come here with a twin too, to lay 1:15:39.920 --> 1:15:42.559 everybody down in this motherfucker before somebody they just blended 1:15:42.680 --> 1:15:45.400 in because it's people. They don't know if they with us, 1:15:45.800 --> 1:15:47.320 We don't know if people to other people. So that 1:15:47.479 --> 1:15:49.320 somebody being there just blending and I know the body 1:15:49.320 --> 1:15:51.799 and I take this, my motherfucker get hit once motherfucker 1:15:51.840 --> 1:15:54.679 here that pup. Everybody gonna get the scattering and everybody 1:15:54.680 --> 1:15:56.360 will get the phone on the flooring ship because they've 1:15:56.400 --> 1:16:00.439 nobody in there outside you know us go do they 1:16:00.479 --> 1:16:02.000 gonna fall on the floor? And I said, you could 1:16:02.000 --> 1:16:04.000 lose your life. I said, I called somebody right now 1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:05.640 and tell him the plump here hit me in the 1:16:05.640 --> 1:16:09.240 here to make it look good. You know what we got? 1:16:09.320 --> 1:16:11.559 He left there. Oh yeah, a week after that man 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:14.920 left there, he was in DC gambling. There was online 1:16:14.960 --> 1:16:19.200 all on camera. He was in DC gambling, got killed. 1:16:19.320 --> 1:16:20.880 And when I tell you I got killed, it was 1:16:20.920 --> 1:16:23.519 on there. Then he had guns like they were showing off. 1:16:23.560 --> 1:16:26.080 They look good and stuff. Dude try to pull the 1:16:26.160 --> 1:16:27.760 a K off the back of the car and went 1:16:27.880 --> 1:16:29.280 to shooting, and he didn't know what the hell he 1:16:29.360 --> 1:16:31.439 was doing. And you get saw him backing up and 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:33.439 there was some dudes whoever the mother dude, Well, they 1:16:33.479 --> 1:16:35.640 knew what they were doing because due was just backing up. 1:16:35.880 --> 1:16:37.680 I saw the one dude dropped the a K and 1:16:37.720 --> 1:16:39.360 getting shot up in the back, you know what I mean, 1:16:39.439 --> 1:16:40.920 because he didn't know who they used it. They had 1:16:40.960 --> 1:16:42.400 all these tools, but didn't know what they used. But 1:16:42.439 --> 1:16:44.920 he died out there in DC behind the same thing 1:16:45.040 --> 1:16:47.800 shooting dice because somebody said, it's the motherfucker up here. 1:16:47.840 --> 1:16:51.160 With a bag of money. Come and get this motherfucker ship. 1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:53.559 I'll be the nigger right there with you gambling and 1:16:53.680 --> 1:16:56.720 go like ship. They got back the motherfucker money, and 1:16:56.800 --> 1:17:01.720 that can paint happening to lay down right now? This 1:17:01.800 --> 1:17:05.680 ship and and and and and for real, this this 1:17:05.960 --> 1:17:08.639 is nothing new. And this is how we've been doing 1:17:08.680 --> 1:17:11.240 each other from the beginning, when the dog came, when 1:17:11.240 --> 1:17:15.559 the dome came, and that certain individual came up. And 1:17:15.640 --> 1:17:20.080 you're still doing the twenties and the buying them fifty packs. Man, 1:17:20.240 --> 1:17:23.240 I'm wasting my time. Now you've got the homies kicking it. 1:17:23.640 --> 1:17:28.719 Homie didn't got killed. They have stole took everything inside John, 1:17:29.880 --> 1:17:34.439 So we do the ship to ourselves and then now 1:17:34.640 --> 1:17:37.800 here we have black lives matter. Why the hell is 1:17:37.800 --> 1:17:39.760 we getting mad? And I'm gonna keep saying this on 1:17:39.840 --> 1:17:44.280 every show. Why are we getting mad when the police 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:48.000 we were supposed to but why we ain't trying to 1:17:48.080 --> 1:17:52.240 fix the ship ourselves instead of saying, okay, the police 1:17:52.439 --> 1:17:54.920 were killing each other more than they're doing it. But 1:17:55.040 --> 1:17:57.000 it don't make it right that they're doing it. But 1:17:58.280 --> 1:18:01.439 let's be mad at ourselves first. We can't fix nothing. 1:18:01.520 --> 1:18:05.880 Blaming everybody else and and and we've gonna get that going. 1:18:06.439 --> 1:18:09.679 And this is where we're at because we've been doing 1:18:09.680 --> 1:18:12.960 this ship from the beginning of time, exactly doing each 1:18:12.960 --> 1:18:16.479 other from the beginning of the time. Yeah, and it's 1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:20.880 still some jealousy. Um, I can't stand and see why 1:18:20.880 --> 1:18:23.639 the fund did he make it as a rapper? Fuck him? 1:18:23.640 --> 1:18:25.519 Who the fund do he think he is? And you 1:18:25.560 --> 1:18:28.400 could be coming back just on some regular degulous stuff, 1:18:28.520 --> 1:18:30.080 just coming back to see your people. You know, you 1:18:30.160 --> 1:18:32.040 missed the neighborhood. You're coming back to hang out with 1:18:32.080 --> 1:18:34.800 some friends. Right, they're same people looking at you, like, 1:18:34.800 --> 1:18:36.720 who the fun he was? He came to show up, 1:18:37.000 --> 1:18:39.040 look at his chain, and you might not be be 1:18:39.160 --> 1:18:41.120 thinking about that, you know what I mean. But that's 1:18:41.120 --> 1:18:43.519 why I said, that's the mentality of the motherfucker who 1:18:43.600 --> 1:18:47.440 hasn't succeeded or who's still in the neighborhood with that mentality. 1:18:47.840 --> 1:18:50.280 And I said, I got ship motherfucker's today from that. 1:18:51.920 --> 1:18:54.720 Some of the some of us, we'll never get out 1:18:54.760 --> 1:18:59.719 the neighborhood. No a fact, some of us truly believed 1:18:59.720 --> 1:19:03.479 that I'm stuck. I don't want no different don't see 1:19:03.479 --> 1:19:06.920 no difference. Don't want to go nowhere. And that's the 1:19:06.960 --> 1:19:10.240 crazy part about it. Man, I was happy to get 1:19:10.320 --> 1:19:12.840 up out of here. You know what I'm saying, You 1:19:13.240 --> 1:19:16.479 get tired of it. But some cats, like the older cats, 1:19:16.640 --> 1:19:19.400 like older than me. If you're still in the neighborhood, 1:19:19.479 --> 1:19:21.800 you can't knock him for still been in the neighborhood. 1:19:21.880 --> 1:19:24.439 Because I didn't have a they don't. They didn't have 1:19:24.479 --> 1:19:28.240 a No, I'm still to make a phone call to him. Man, 1:19:27.840 --> 1:19:30.280 I want to do a show. I want to do this. 1:19:30.800 --> 1:19:33.400 They didn't have a grad Katie to say, Man, you 1:19:33.439 --> 1:19:36.960 have an interesting story. Man, you want to go to Australia? 1:19:37.280 --> 1:19:41.120 What austrated? Damn. I don't think I'm gonna be able 1:19:41.160 --> 1:19:44.280 to get a passport, you know what I'm saying. So 1:19:45.760 --> 1:19:49.040 we don't everybody don't get those outs, you know what 1:19:49.120 --> 1:19:53.800 I'm saying. So everything is gonna still be what it is. 1:19:53.880 --> 1:19:56.599 But we gotta get inside the neighborhood and then get 1:19:56.640 --> 1:19:59.360 at the little youngsters and say, come on, man, this 1:19:59.400 --> 1:20:01.680 ain't what y'all doing. That's why we're doing the podcast. 1:20:01.720 --> 1:20:05.160 So let to inform those that I think it's cool 1:20:05.200 --> 1:20:08.479 to be a gamest in all of that that's not 1:20:08.520 --> 1:20:11.080 what's happening here. You got n C eight. He didn't 1:20:11.120 --> 1:20:14.479 did his thing in bad? Should he have somebody chargeting 1:20:14.600 --> 1:20:16.920 him because oh man, I know he got a lot 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:20.599 of money. No, come on, man, don't cheer me down 1:20:20.680 --> 1:20:23.080 because you you don't want it, you know what exactly. 1:20:23.080 --> 1:20:26.200 And it's almost like subconsciously somebody is looking at you 1:20:26.240 --> 1:20:30.439 and blaming you for their misfortune. Kind yeah, that happened, 1:20:30.479 --> 1:20:32.640 you know, And it's like in their head they've justified 1:20:32.720 --> 1:20:35.320 that man who the funks ain't think he was up 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:37.280 there talking. Man, I'd be a more ship than he did, 1:20:37.400 --> 1:20:39.400 you know what I mean. It's like, you know, people 1:20:39.400 --> 1:20:43.799 are crazy. Our jealousy and envy within our own people 1:20:44.320 --> 1:20:47.519 is being at it all time. Huh. And I never 1:20:47.600 --> 1:20:51.960 cared that. Like James said, Um, a lot of people 1:20:52.000 --> 1:20:55.080 want to blame the police, and of course it's wrong 1:20:55.560 --> 1:20:59.840 to be in uh, George Floyd's situation or for Yanna 1:21:00.000 --> 1:21:02.840 Bailer or anybody that we feel that may have lost 1:21:02.880 --> 1:21:06.840 their lives by you know, police brutality or whatever. But 1:21:06.920 --> 1:21:10.280 then it again, like he said, we've been gang banging 1:21:10.320 --> 1:21:14.479 for years, smoking each other bloods and cripts and the essay, 1:21:14.520 --> 1:21:16.920 homies have been in in thean the brown and the 1:21:17.000 --> 1:21:20.360 minorities in the Asian game, and we've been killing each 1:21:20.360 --> 1:21:24.040 other before. Black lives matter. So I understand people want 1:21:24.040 --> 1:21:27.559 to rally behind something, you understand. You know that's how 1:21:27.600 --> 1:21:29.360 we I feel. We are as a people too, you know, 1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:32.639 our Niggers are as a people. You know, you do something, 1:21:32.720 --> 1:21:34.760 come out. We all flocked to that ship. You give 1:21:34.840 --> 1:21:38.040 me the latest trend. We flocked. You know, we all 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:40.879 gotta do this ship all every and look for somebody 1:21:40.920 --> 1:21:43.760 to blame. But like you said, motherfuckering go tomorrow and 1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:46.080 smoke up the next nigger from the enemy hood across 1:21:46.120 --> 1:21:49.479 the street. And we don't have no marches. You know, 1:21:49.520 --> 1:21:51.439 we might got a little a couple of moms out 1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:53.400 there who grieve and a couple of but for the 1:21:53.400 --> 1:21:59.200 most part, it's ordinary. Um. And this is my honest opinion, 1:22:00.240 --> 1:22:03.680 because in every neighborhood you still have some ogs who 1:22:03.760 --> 1:22:05.479 give a damn the dude that don't been the pin 1:22:05.600 --> 1:22:08.920 for a long time. Yeah, and this don't make no sense. 1:22:09.439 --> 1:22:11.680 This don't make no sense. What's going on? If you 1:22:11.840 --> 1:22:15.120 had them, dude, start holding on court to the idiot 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:17.400 that getting the car out in the car and just 1:22:17.439 --> 1:22:20.240 start randomly shooting at people, kill four or five kids. 1:22:20.560 --> 1:22:23.320 I bet you if they had to deal with those people. 1:22:23.400 --> 1:22:25.360 Man on cercait a certain kind of level. You do 1:22:25.439 --> 1:22:28.920 some dumb ship over here, we go discipline your grass, 1:22:28.960 --> 1:22:30.760 you know what I'm saying. I bet you all that 1:22:30.800 --> 1:22:33.880 ship because this is different kind of keep it in 1:22:33.920 --> 1:22:38.680 the house. Yeah, keeping the house motherfucker's king, But that 1:22:38.920 --> 1:22:43.200 the younctions out here today and respecting the o G s, 1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:46.120 they don't they don't done it. If they don't have 1:22:46.200 --> 1:22:48.840 it how we had it when we grew up, they're 1:22:49.000 --> 1:22:52.320 kill o G. Then you got some ogs don't want 1:22:52.320 --> 1:22:54.640 to deal with these young because they might have to 1:22:54.720 --> 1:22:57.479 kill one of these new cats, not even back in jail, 1:22:58.320 --> 1:23:01.600 you know what I'm saying. So it's kind of like, uh, 1:23:01.600 --> 1:23:04.400 flip side to it, because if I get involved with 1:23:04.439 --> 1:23:07.080 these new cats and they ain't listening to me, they 1:23:07.080 --> 1:23:09.479 already know him, gonna knock him upside the head. Now 1:23:09.560 --> 1:23:10.800 I knocked him ups out of the head, And now 1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:13.400 I gotta worry about the slow cat coming back and 1:23:13.479 --> 1:23:16.679 popping out the bushes and shooting, you know, because damn 1:23:16.720 --> 1:23:21.040 so coming back exactly so it's it's just a you 1:23:21.120 --> 1:23:24.360 need more than a big homie in the hood. You 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:28.280 need cats like like you have the East Coast and 1:23:28.320 --> 1:23:32.120 all of these other where's a lot of them seven 1:23:32.240 --> 1:23:35.719 six whatever. You need all them cats to get together 1:23:35.760 --> 1:23:38.479 and then get at each other. Everybody gotta come a 1:23:38.680 --> 1:23:41.519 one in the neighborhood and then say what went man. 1:23:42.000 --> 1:23:44.880 You have to be active to stop it. You have 1:23:45.000 --> 1:23:47.120 to be the big homie in the hood that's with 1:23:47.280 --> 1:23:50.439 it to stop it, not an o g that's kicking 1:23:50.479 --> 1:23:53.080 it with his wife. And now, I mean, y'all just 1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:54.760 seeing how we used to do and you can't have 1:23:54.840 --> 1:23:57.559 it like that. You gotta have somebody that was active, 1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:01.639 like really in there to be a part of that 1:24:02.920 --> 1:24:07.160 instead of the way Nipsey did it. And if she 1:24:07.360 --> 1:24:10.680 was involved in everything and everybody in it. And you 1:24:10.720 --> 1:24:13.519 know half of those half of those cats didn't like 1:24:14.000 --> 1:24:16.519 the way he was doing certain ships. So you was 1:24:16.680 --> 1:24:20.320 you're gonna run into some resistance. But you have to 1:24:20.360 --> 1:24:22.640 do it like in the hood. You gotta be in 1:24:22.760 --> 1:24:26.000 the hood. You gotta really be with it for those 1:24:26.080 --> 1:24:28.920 little cats to understand and respect you, you know what 1:24:28.920 --> 1:24:32.720 I'm saying, and respect the game. So me personally. Me, 1:24:33.600 --> 1:24:35.720 I say, knock him off, get him out of the way, 1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:38.679 because they don't want to listen. But you'll be killing 1:24:38.720 --> 1:24:41.800 them everybody. Yeah, then you kind of like a kind 1:24:41.840 --> 1:24:46.639 of um hypocritical thing is seeing a black black crime, 1:24:46.680 --> 1:24:48.519 but the little homies is disappearing, you know, So like 1:24:48.600 --> 1:24:52.559 I see your point. Um, what I think is this, man, 1:24:54.800 --> 1:24:56.960 Well people don't look at man. We just can't still 1:24:56.960 --> 1:25:00.240 and blame us man California, like we do that ship 1:25:00.320 --> 1:25:02.880 up in bills. We have to blame us. But we're 1:25:02.960 --> 1:25:05.920 put in certain conditions man, where we go almost condition 1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:07.680 And I'm not one of those people to make excuses, 1:25:08.080 --> 1:25:17.240 but we are almost conditioned to hate each other. Yeah, 1:25:17.439 --> 1:25:19.559 it's like almost like it's just been that way for 1:25:19.640 --> 1:25:22.840 as long as I remember me. I mean, but you 1:25:23.040 --> 1:25:26.439 really don't. As a kid, I mean, I went to 1:25:26.479 --> 1:25:29.080 school with a lot of Niggers who end their enemies 1:25:29.520 --> 1:25:33.200 from different neighborhoods. I mean, it's just like a motherfucker 1:25:33.320 --> 1:25:38.960 being talk racism. Uh. A lot of children, a lot 1:25:39.000 --> 1:25:42.120 of white kids or whatever they're gonna grow up or 1:25:42.160 --> 1:25:45.920 born with. I don't like that motherfucker's talk. But that's 1:25:45.920 --> 1:25:48.639 what conditioning is. Minding this in this stream of somebody 1:25:48.720 --> 1:25:52.439 having some in my conditioning, James or whatever. You know, 1:25:52.800 --> 1:25:56.080 my condition as a young gang banger was I'm from 1:25:56.080 --> 1:25:59.840 this hood. We got beef with them. My conditioning is 1:26:00.080 --> 1:26:04.240 follow the code and you beef. It wasn't the I 1:26:04.360 --> 1:26:06.760 was born with it because five years ago when we 1:26:06.800 --> 1:26:09.040 went to elementary me and it's been a play in 1:26:09.120 --> 1:26:12.760 kickball with each other. And then when it's signed to 1:26:12.760 --> 1:26:15.200 go to junior high, he go up the street to 1:26:15.280 --> 1:26:18.479 the school and I go around the corner. They banging 1:26:18.520 --> 1:26:20.640 this over here, and they're banging that over there with 1:26:20.680 --> 1:26:25.519 the neighborhood structure. So now my friends become them. I 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:28.839 wasn't born to hate him, but now that I'm running 1:26:28.880 --> 1:26:33.719 with them, since the hat Fields in the Cooways, they've 1:26:33.720 --> 1:26:38.400 been hating that neighborhood. I'm over here now. So that's 1:26:38.479 --> 1:26:41.519 my conditioning, my conditions. I want to be a part 1:26:41.560 --> 1:26:45.960 of Track New Park, so fucking we don't like them. 1:26:46.000 --> 1:26:49.400 So if you want to be long, your conditioning, motherfuck 1:26:49.520 --> 1:26:54.080 is you hate everything about them, period, whether that and 1:26:54.080 --> 1:26:56.280 and a lot of the ship is. I gotta cousin 1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:59.400 over there, a relative. I gotta be mad at my 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:03.479 cousin and you're on the hood, well, well funk with them, 1:27:03.479 --> 1:27:05.960 not your conditioning of what I was brought up. So 1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:09.240 you have to be able to change that structure. And 1:27:10.720 --> 1:27:12.719 like you said, James said, we gotta be You gotta 1:27:12.760 --> 1:27:15.320 be o g s in the hood who changes that 1:27:15.439 --> 1:27:19.519 structure and that mentality of conditioning the young homies too. 1:27:20.120 --> 1:27:22.760 We beef with the eight nines, or we beef with 1:27:22.800 --> 1:27:25.640 the mob, or we beef with them. So it's that 1:27:25.720 --> 1:27:28.479 mentality that has to be changed our field. It's just 1:27:28.560 --> 1:27:30.960 like saying, getting rid of the police. What what do 1:27:30.960 --> 1:27:33.839 you think, harbins? If you give rid of the police. 1:27:34.640 --> 1:27:36.479 If you get rid of the police, that tells me 1:27:36.520 --> 1:27:39.720 I can go kill anymore. But they want to. You 1:27:39.880 --> 1:27:42.960 got to have them? How do you? How do you 1:27:43.000 --> 1:27:46.400 get around that? So we gotta be one honey with 1:27:46.439 --> 1:27:49.479 ourselves and what the funk we're doing. We gotta take 1:27:49.479 --> 1:27:52.559 accountability for the ship that we're doing. That's what I say. 1:27:52.640 --> 1:27:55.320 It's important for me to try to say one of 1:27:55.320 --> 1:27:59.000 these little youngsters, we we we we. I mean, if 1:27:59.000 --> 1:28:01.839 we don't step up, then everything stays the same exactly. 1:28:01.880 --> 1:28:05.599 We don't show or say everything stays the same. So 1:28:06.080 --> 1:28:08.840 instead of talking about it. Man, we gotta figure out 1:28:08.840 --> 1:28:10.920 a way to fix it. I think it will go 1:28:11.040 --> 1:28:16.400 better forward for the especially the police that's really there 1:28:16.640 --> 1:28:20.120 to fix it, approached to the ones that come to work, 1:28:20.200 --> 1:28:22.960 just so you can see how many motherfucker's ask even more. 1:28:23.000 --> 1:28:24.720 And I think that's the average cop. I think the 1:28:24.760 --> 1:28:28.120 average cop goes to work with good intentions and they 1:28:28.160 --> 1:28:30.040 just want to get home with their family. Because another 1:28:30.240 --> 1:28:32.360 another thing that we have to stop doing because I 1:28:32.400 --> 1:28:35.479 hate when I see this. I trained my sons because 1:28:35.479 --> 1:28:37.040 the world is just the way it is when they 1:28:37.080 --> 1:28:40.240 first started driving. If officer puts you over, you keep 1:28:40.280 --> 1:28:43.000 your hand on the wheel, the respectful. Don't be moughling 1:28:43.040 --> 1:28:46.800 off to me. Keep your hand there giving the driver's license. 1:28:46.800 --> 1:28:48.719 If something happened, I'd rather bear you off and bury 1:28:48.760 --> 1:28:51.040 it right man, you know, so just do what you're 1:28:51.040 --> 1:28:54.880 supposed to do. Keep your hands with steering wheel. And um. 1:28:55.000 --> 1:28:57.240 I think that's the average cop though, that that has 1:28:57.280 --> 1:29:01.679 good intentions. And I hate when I see us officer 1:29:01.800 --> 1:29:04.280 sometimes be being cool as hell. He pulled somebody over, 1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:05.920 They got the wunder up this side. What are you 1:29:05.920 --> 1:29:08.400 pulling me over for? What? Then, do you want that's 1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:11.400 that's the new narrative of the of the Cloud. Ye 1:29:12.880 --> 1:29:14.880 do the club says, Yeah. So they got the camera 1:29:15.200 --> 1:29:17.920 and you can see this officer is being cool as hell, right, 1:29:18.320 --> 1:29:20.479 and you got the motherfucker's and you give them blues. 1:29:20.479 --> 1:29:22.320 It's just like the one brother that got shot in 1:29:22.320 --> 1:29:25.719 his back. Somebody was you know, I kind of walked 1:29:25.760 --> 1:29:28.320 in on the conversation of one of my partner's house, right, 1:29:28.840 --> 1:29:30.800 he was like this, so funked up they shot home 1:29:30.800 --> 1:29:32.960 and look how they shot him, And I said, well, man, 1:29:33.000 --> 1:29:34.800 it looked like he running in the car reaching for 1:29:34.840 --> 1:29:37.880 some ship. What the funk else were they supposed to do? 1:29:37.920 --> 1:29:40.400 You know, Don't get me wrong, I hated that brother 1:29:40.439 --> 1:29:42.760 lost his life. I feel bad for a lot of 1:29:42.800 --> 1:29:45.960 things they could have did because they changed him first. 1:29:46.360 --> 1:29:49.800 If they chased him, that should have been there right there. 1:29:50.200 --> 1:29:53.080 You get on him, you you handcuff him, and you 1:29:53.080 --> 1:29:56.479 you you you got the situation under control. Yeah, that's it. 1:29:56.520 --> 1:30:00.000 But that's what that lobster didn't make. This dude running 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:02.120 on a cargo reef, like, what are you reaching for? 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:06.240 He listening? No, no, But to your point, James, they 1:30:06.360 --> 1:30:11.920 chased him and didn't work. When they chased him, took him. Well, 1:30:12.000 --> 1:30:14.400 you would hope that if the taser doesn't work to 1:30:14.400 --> 1:30:18.280 where he's incapacitated, you're not going to run up and 1:30:18.280 --> 1:30:20.080 try to tackle the guy with a knife in his hand. 1:30:20.360 --> 1:30:23.559 He didn't have an absolutely, did I guaranting you did 1:30:23.600 --> 1:30:28.880 it absolutely? And to the ship than with everybody. Man. Absolutely, 1:30:28.960 --> 1:30:31.000 he's armed with a knife and he said, I've got 1:30:31.000 --> 1:30:33.439 a knife, and there's a knife in his hand. And 1:30:33.800 --> 1:30:35.439 you know you're not gonna run up and try to 1:30:35.479 --> 1:30:38.599 tackle somebody like that, right, So the taser, because they 1:30:38.640 --> 1:30:41.040 know this, we're keeping our distance. Well that's not working. 1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:43.680 Now he's running away. We're gonna chase him. Now he's 1:30:43.720 --> 1:30:47.120 running and reaching in the car of that debt belonged him, 1:30:47.120 --> 1:30:49.800 and there's kids in there, so it's it gets really complicated. 1:30:50.600 --> 1:30:54.800 Car no open, he reached in the car. You know 1:30:55.200 --> 1:30:59.240 what I heard was there was another domestic situation going on. 1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:04.640 He came up to diffuse the domestic situation. When the 1:31:04.680 --> 1:31:09.439 police pulled up automatically, it's an excalation or whatever. Whatever. 1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:16.000 They see him there. Everybody's whatever, so hey, what's going on? Whatever? Whatever? 1:31:16.320 --> 1:31:19.120 Now I never heard a story about a knife or whatever, 1:31:20.200 --> 1:31:23.320 the domesticalist that he the old lady, that he had 1:31:23.360 --> 1:31:26.639 a secondary stream or against him. Okay, so this is all. 1:31:26.760 --> 1:31:28.559 This was not a random thing where he was getting 1:31:28.560 --> 1:31:31.040 involved in somebody else's where they said it was a 1:31:31.080 --> 1:31:38.719 domestic So everybody is feeling uneasy because it's Black Lives Matter, 1:31:39.000 --> 1:31:43.360 George Floyd and Brianna Taylor. So so naturally, when you 1:31:43.439 --> 1:31:47.920 see incidents that involves a black person in the white 1:31:47.960 --> 1:31:53.719 cop it's automatically gonna be escalated to uh, the black 1:31:53.760 --> 1:31:57.519 on white fund, the police type or whatever situation that's 1:31:57.560 --> 1:32:00.320 been going on. So nobody really wants to look and 1:32:00.360 --> 1:32:03.800 see what's happening and like and people questions or why 1:32:03.840 --> 1:32:05.760 they didn't do this, or why they do that, or 1:32:05.800 --> 1:32:07.639 why you even let them get to the fucking car 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:11.080 in the first place. And then it's horrifying because now 1:32:11.120 --> 1:32:16.080 the realization is you're shotting fucking six times. But even 1:32:16.120 --> 1:32:19.920 with a knife, are you trained to to to take 1:32:20.040 --> 1:32:26.599 some weapons from a person? Yeah, So typically, like there's 1:32:27.840 --> 1:32:29.880 this is part of the police training. You learn how 1:32:29.960 --> 1:32:32.720 quickly somebody can cover ground and you know, and if 1:32:32.760 --> 1:32:36.320 you're eight ten feet away from me by the time 1:32:36.360 --> 1:32:39.920 I process information and make a decision to shoot. You 1:32:39.960 --> 1:32:43.240 can get to me that fast. You know, you can 1:32:43.280 --> 1:32:45.800 get to me before I figured out he's running at me. 1:32:45.800 --> 1:32:48.360 He's and all of a sudden, I'm trying to defend 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:50.559 myself and you've already got your knife in my throat. 1:32:51.240 --> 1:32:53.519 I mean, it's that fast, James, It's really this ship 1:32:53.680 --> 1:32:56.760 happened so fast, and we have to do this thing, 1:32:56.800 --> 1:32:59.280 and you know, we have to take in a consideration 1:32:59.400 --> 1:33:04.760 response time, and it is there's there's seconds involved. And 1:33:04.760 --> 1:33:06.920 and when you start to consider that and you're trained 1:33:06.960 --> 1:33:09.880 that this guy can cover ground really quick. And so 1:33:10.640 --> 1:33:12.960 if if you feel like he's gonna advance on you 1:33:13.000 --> 1:33:15.639 and he's right there and you're in fear for your life, 1:33:16.880 --> 1:33:19.400 you have to do what you gotta do to protect yourself. 1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:22.160 I know that we can sit here and look at 1:33:22.200 --> 1:33:24.000 it like, well, it's just a knife and he's ten 1:33:24.040 --> 1:33:26.920 ft away, twelve feet away, man, you can cover that 1:33:26.960 --> 1:33:30.320 ground really quick. And it's been proven. They do all 1:33:30.439 --> 1:33:33.679 kinds of training on this, and so you know you've 1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:38.400 got to when you're processing information and the decision will ship. 1:33:38.560 --> 1:33:41.639 He's running at me, has a knife and pull your trigger. 1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:43.599 That's all the time. It takes for him to get 1:33:43.640 --> 1:33:50.479 to you. Okay, I want to ask to elaborate on 1:33:50.520 --> 1:33:53.919 the situation about what you can control as an officer 1:33:54.240 --> 1:33:58.680 in your situation, um in your training or you as 1:33:58.680 --> 1:34:03.280 an officer, what is your first thought when you're in 1:34:03.320 --> 1:34:07.479 that situation? Is it to kill a motherfucker? You know, 1:34:07.640 --> 1:34:11.160 not so graphic, or should I take one pop in 1:34:11.160 --> 1:34:14.080 the leg or something to wound the motherfucker because it 1:34:14.160 --> 1:34:20.000 seems to us or some people, shooting blah blah blah 1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:26.080 is a little bit extensive right into it. It's a 1:34:26.080 --> 1:34:29.000 little extensive than to just Okay, the motherfucker's reaching and 1:34:29.000 --> 1:34:31.759 getting his car bot and then let me see what's happening, 1:34:31.840 --> 1:34:34.160 let me pop him in the ass or shoot him 1:34:34.160 --> 1:34:36.920 in the leg, as opposed to I'm just gonna bust 1:34:36.920 --> 1:34:39.439 six shots at his back, and being being what's the 1:34:39.479 --> 1:34:43.240 training process that you as being a cop in that 1:34:43.320 --> 1:34:47.519 situation deal with knowing the black lives matter? And it's 1:34:47.840 --> 1:34:52.599 you get me when you up there in the moment, 1:34:52.640 --> 1:34:54.759 you're not thinking about that, But I think that's offense. 1:34:54.920 --> 1:34:57.600 That's really a great question because like you know, and 1:34:57.640 --> 1:35:03.679 I've always personally had had how to how to beef 1:35:03.720 --> 1:35:06.080 with the way that we do this, like we do 1:35:06.200 --> 1:35:09.240 two shots to the chest, wanted the head right double tap, 1:35:09.840 --> 1:35:11.640 and if the two shots, if the two shots of 1:35:11.720 --> 1:35:13.680 the chest don't work, because this is center mass is 1:35:13.720 --> 1:35:16.400 the easiest thing to hit. It's really hard to like 1:35:16.439 --> 1:35:19.559 shoot somebody in a kneecap or you know, to take 1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:22.599 a very shooting is much more difficult than you think. 1:35:22.640 --> 1:35:27.479 Most students happen to you still miss, you know, and 1:35:27.640 --> 1:35:30.160 you look at police shootings and more times than not 1:35:30.280 --> 1:35:33.080 you're missing your target because and they're only ten, twelve, 1:35:33.080 --> 1:35:38.360 fifteen ft away. And so the training is center mass, 1:35:38.439 --> 1:35:40.559 the easiest thing to hit is right in the middle 1:35:40.600 --> 1:35:43.640 of this picture. And then if that doesn't work, then 1:35:43.680 --> 1:35:45.560 you try to do a failure drill, which is to 1:35:45.640 --> 1:35:47.439 hit him in the head because that's gonna stop him. 1:35:47.720 --> 1:35:50.040 If those first two shots don't work, then you go 1:35:50.120 --> 1:35:52.920 to where you know it's gonna stop him. And until 1:35:52.960 --> 1:35:55.120 you've seen people who have been shot and still continue 1:35:55.160 --> 1:35:57.800 to advance and still continue to fight, and you start 1:35:57.840 --> 1:36:01.599 to appreciate, like you know, there's but to your point, 1:36:01.720 --> 1:36:04.960 like I think, if given the opportunity, you should take 1:36:05.000 --> 1:36:07.920 that selective shot. If you have that chance and guy's 1:36:07.960 --> 1:36:11.360 got a knife put in. It's kind of crazy that, 1:36:11.560 --> 1:36:14.880 you know, when you're trained and the first thought is 1:36:15.000 --> 1:36:19.360 regardless of the fucking situation, the traffic stop or whatever, 1:36:19.400 --> 1:36:22.800 but if it escalates to something, the first trained is 1:36:23.200 --> 1:36:27.680 bop bop, chest bop head, like, fuck it, this motherfucker 1:36:27.760 --> 1:36:33.759 is obviously drunk or obviously mentally whatever, So fucking bop bop, 1:36:34.200 --> 1:36:38.000 you know. But we're trained to send an ass bing 1:36:38.120 --> 1:36:41.240 bing and if that don't work, fuck it bing. No 1:36:41.479 --> 1:36:48.879 question the languages, But I'm saying, how do you depict 1:36:48.960 --> 1:36:51.439 that from the situation that you know, a motherfucker drunk? 1:36:51.880 --> 1:36:54.360 And I know if this motherfucker wasn't drunk, he wouldn't 1:36:54.360 --> 1:36:56.280 probably be trying to come at me. So do I 1:36:56.280 --> 1:36:59.439 want to kill his motherfucker because he don't know what's 1:36:59.479 --> 1:37:03.120 going on? And by the way, though that happens all 1:37:03.160 --> 1:37:06.240 the time. I mean, there's all kinds of these situations 1:37:06.320 --> 1:37:08.880 where they're like this, this guy's just not right in 1:37:08.920 --> 1:37:11.920 his mind, and he's not proudly you know that even 1:37:11.920 --> 1:37:13.960 though he's a threat because he's got a gun or 1:37:14.240 --> 1:37:16.400 i'm sorry, he's got a knife. Most likely he's got 1:37:16.400 --> 1:37:19.280 a baseball bat. Whatever, he's got a weapon, and that 1:37:19.439 --> 1:37:22.639 you just know that he's out of you know, and said, 1:37:22.720 --> 1:37:24.679 you do your best to try to figure that out. 1:37:24.720 --> 1:37:27.360 But once he becomes like an imminent threat where he's 1:37:27.479 --> 1:37:31.160 rushing you, then you gotta deal with that. And you know, 1:37:31.160 --> 1:37:33.680 whether it's in the think the easiest thing is to 1:37:33.680 --> 1:37:35.960 put two into his chest. And what's so funked up 1:37:35.960 --> 1:37:38.160 about that? Not to cut you off, James or whatever. 1:37:38.439 --> 1:37:42.479 But we're seeing so many situations. Put a white guy 1:37:42.479 --> 1:37:45.760 in the same situation and you see it all day 1:37:46.120 --> 1:37:49.160 and motherfucker ran at him. He chased them around the 1:37:49.240 --> 1:37:52.240 car and they're like, hey, hey, man, come on stop, 1:37:52.280 --> 1:37:54.680 we're gonna shoot you when you But then when he comes, 1:37:54.680 --> 1:37:58.360 put somebody of his color in the place and it's instant. 1:37:58.439 --> 1:38:00.519 I'll tell you the biggest difference with the nothing to 1:38:00.560 --> 1:38:02.960 cut you off. But this is what I think, that 1:38:03.080 --> 1:38:05.679 white guy that's out there acting crazy, they're not really 1:38:05.680 --> 1:38:08.920 scared of him. When they pull you over, they already 1:38:08.920 --> 1:38:11.040 got him out their mind. Man, I might get murdered 1:38:11.360 --> 1:38:13.400 with this motherfucker's well, I'm not playing with it because 1:38:13.439 --> 1:38:15.679 see that's kind of that's kind of that's kind of fun. 1:38:15.840 --> 1:38:20.280 They use more caution with certain individuals that they deal with. 1:38:20.920 --> 1:38:24.519 And and unfortunately it is me. I'm the one with 1:38:24.560 --> 1:38:27.200 the name. I'm the one that they gotta worry about. 1:38:27.560 --> 1:38:33.439 Uh uh, Tom and Jodan. What these motherfucker's doing over here? 1:38:33.479 --> 1:38:36.360 So none times out of the chin that stop is 1:38:36.400 --> 1:38:39.240 not gonna be a severe Damn. I gotta look what 1:38:39.240 --> 1:38:41.400 they did to you. That's a big motherfucker right there. 1:38:42.320 --> 1:38:45.960 Three four or four four, we gotta big motherfucker. This 1:38:46.040 --> 1:38:48.760 motherfucker might want to fight. So they got a call 1:38:48.840 --> 1:38:51.320 for back up and prepare the show to take you 1:38:51.439 --> 1:38:53.559 down because the way, But is that a decision that 1:38:53.640 --> 1:38:56.400 you personally make? Is that a decision you make in 1:38:56.439 --> 1:38:59.040 that situation if you see a white guy or a 1:38:59.040 --> 1:39:02.640 black guy or Mexican or what in the same scenario, 1:39:03.320 --> 1:39:06.759 do you make that personal de go I'm gonna handle 1:39:06.840 --> 1:39:10.680 this black guy differently than I handle this white guy 1:39:11.000 --> 1:39:14.479 or this and it's like three different Sonia, but they're 1:39:14.479 --> 1:39:18.120 all the same scenario. Yeah No, not for me, absolutely not. 1:39:18.240 --> 1:39:21.519 If I see a guy that's you're six six, six 1:39:21.520 --> 1:39:23.639 seven whatever you YEA. If I see a big guy, 1:39:23.840 --> 1:39:27.639 I know that I can't handle physically, right I don't 1:39:27.640 --> 1:39:30.720 care what color he is. That's a threat, right if 1:39:30.720 --> 1:39:33.360 we're going at it and get my ass kicks. So 1:39:33.400 --> 1:39:35.280 I'm gonna figure out a way to not engage with 1:39:35.360 --> 1:39:38.400 this man, whether it's tasting him or using whatever. I 1:39:38.439 --> 1:39:41.120 don't see it, you know. But that to your other 1:39:41.200 --> 1:39:44.520 point here. The thing like, I think there's a perception 1:39:45.160 --> 1:39:49.120 um that more white guys get killed by the cops 1:39:49.120 --> 1:39:53.160 in this country than black guys. Yes, so statistically, the 1:39:53.320 --> 1:39:56.439 argument that you know that you're more at risk than 1:39:56.479 --> 1:40:02.439 the white guy, it just doesn't play out statistic I'm 1:40:02.479 --> 1:40:05.240 not saying, you know, more at risk in my neighborhood 1:40:05.400 --> 1:40:08.840 where I'm from, though, most like yeah, absolutely, And so 1:40:09.040 --> 1:40:11.360 you know, all these things happen to be taken into consideration. 1:40:11.520 --> 1:40:14.720 I don't think that that the vast majority, I don't 1:40:14.760 --> 1:40:18.200 think that they that they're racially motivated shootings. I think 1:40:18.200 --> 1:40:23.200 that what happens is that horrible scenarios arise, cops out 1:40:23.200 --> 1:40:28.120 of fear or justified force take action. It always looks bad. 1:40:28.360 --> 1:40:32.320 It always looks bad to shoot somebody, no matter what 1:40:32.600 --> 1:40:35.599 it's just is always gonna look bad, and there's always 1:40:35.640 --> 1:40:38.400 going to be then opportunity to second guess it and 1:40:38.439 --> 1:40:41.280 go Could it have been done differently and better? Sometimes yes, 1:40:41.439 --> 1:40:45.200 sometimes no. But you know, I don't think that this 1:40:45.400 --> 1:40:50.000 racial animosity that we have in this country today is justified. 1:40:50.560 --> 1:40:53.240 I personally don't believe it. And I think that the 1:40:53.240 --> 1:40:56.559 police officers today are better than they have ever been 1:40:56.880 --> 1:40:59.519 in the history of our country. In the sixties they 1:40:59.520 --> 1:41:02.479 were the city exties. The seventies they got better than nineties, 1:41:02.479 --> 1:41:04.800 were better than the eighties, two thousand and twenties, better 1:41:04.800 --> 1:41:07.080 than two thousand and ten. Because we're learning through our 1:41:07.080 --> 1:41:11.439 mistakes and you can't get away with ship. We're all 1:41:11.800 --> 1:41:15.479 you know, everything's monitored, everything's you know, three and four 1:41:15.600 --> 1:41:20.960 levels of of evaluation, body cameras. All of these things 1:41:21.040 --> 1:41:23.640 are done so that we have to be held accountable. 1:41:23.960 --> 1:41:26.160 But it also allows us to see what's going on 1:41:26.880 --> 1:41:30.160 and in our culture. Right now, you know, we're just 1:41:30.360 --> 1:41:33.759 having knee jerk reactions to things that look bad. Yeah, exactly, 1:41:33.760 --> 1:41:35.760 and before you know, before we wrap up, we've been 1:41:35.800 --> 1:41:38.880 towing a wild Now. I wanted to ask, when this 1:41:38.960 --> 1:41:42.400 may be a rhetorical question, let's go back at the beginning. 1:41:42.960 --> 1:41:46.439 Why do you think the murder rate is so high 1:41:46.560 --> 1:41:51.479 in California. Well, I think that I think cops are 1:41:51.479 --> 1:41:53.640 afraid to do their job, and so I think that 1:41:53.680 --> 1:41:56.000 there is to to James's point is like when the 1:41:56.080 --> 1:42:00.599 enforcement is less, the streets are gonna do more than 1:42:00.640 --> 1:42:04.240 they would have there not been this presence. And so 1:42:04.280 --> 1:42:06.599 I think that when we pin a handcuff the police 1:42:06.640 --> 1:42:08.599 where they're scared to do their job, skis they're gonna 1:42:08.600 --> 1:42:11.920 get second and triple guests. You know, we don't have 1:42:11.960 --> 1:42:16.639 the enforcement capabilities consequences. Yeah, I think that maybe that's 1:42:16.680 --> 1:42:18.479 part of it. And then you know what, because you 1:42:18.520 --> 1:42:20.599 know that's true. The state is so liberal. You know. 1:42:21.439 --> 1:42:23.680 I want to go try to buy twelve gigs the 1:42:23.680 --> 1:42:26.080 other day, and they were telling me it was just 1:42:26.200 --> 1:42:27.840 like I might as well have been going to go 1:42:27.920 --> 1:42:31.160 buy mac tim because they gave me such a hard time. 1:42:31.160 --> 1:42:33.400 When you don't have this before when I used to 1:42:33.400 --> 1:42:35.800 go by twelve gigs, I can should mind beat give it. 1:42:35.840 --> 1:42:38.000 And I'm a lot, you know what I mean, I 1:42:38.160 --> 1:42:40.800 might minutes max, you know what I mean. Now you 1:42:40.840 --> 1:42:43.360 can't go buy bullets, you can't. You know, it's it's 1:42:43.400 --> 1:42:45.960 all kinds of stuff. So it's almost like this state 1:42:46.120 --> 1:42:49.839 being so liberal, it almost as in power up the criminal. 1:42:51.080 --> 1:42:53.599 They got all the guns, they won't Well, we'll be 1:42:53.720 --> 1:42:57.600 we'll be at a lordship we get rid of the police. 1:42:57.760 --> 1:43:04.800 I think at the police need to do a little 1:43:04.800 --> 1:43:08.879 better with how they handle certain situations. Uh as farthers 1:43:08.960 --> 1:43:12.799 checking the police that they're putting on the job because 1:43:12.840 --> 1:43:16.479 some of them really don't care. Some of them look 1:43:16.520 --> 1:43:19.080 at it as a paycheck and I'm going home, so 1:43:19.120 --> 1:43:22.519 they don't care how they treat the people. Any Time 1:43:22.560 --> 1:43:24.960 you get a police officer that that will beat the 1:43:25.000 --> 1:43:28.559 shit out of a sixty year old woman he's mad 1:43:28.600 --> 1:43:32.519 at something else, don't bring that to your job. And 1:43:32.560 --> 1:43:34.679 I think they need to fix that part. I think 1:43:34.680 --> 1:43:37.280 it would be better. But we have to learn how 1:43:37.320 --> 1:43:40.960 to police our own hoods. And and let's say, help 1:43:41.600 --> 1:43:43.639 police our own hoods, because we ain't gonna be able 1:43:43.640 --> 1:43:46.519 to do it, you know what. We Yeah, we definitely 1:43:46.560 --> 1:43:49.640 need the police. And I think one thing, Yeah, what 1:43:49.720 --> 1:43:53.880 the don to get rid of the police. But what 1:43:53.880 --> 1:43:57.600 what we need is our feel We need to have 1:43:57.880 --> 1:44:02.600 more um, we have to need to have more communication 1:44:03.080 --> 1:44:07.000 with officers who joined in the fucking forces with as 1:44:07.000 --> 1:44:09.640 far as why you want to patrol over here? Just 1:44:09.720 --> 1:44:13.840 the bombers ship right here. If you can get us 1:44:14.240 --> 1:44:17.000 to work with the police, like I'm so handed hands 1:44:17.040 --> 1:44:20.920 for the real ship and being there, because the first 1:44:20.920 --> 1:44:22.880 thing they're gonna say, oh, you're with the police, is 1:44:23.000 --> 1:44:27.160 ntch No, what is the community? What do the community 1:44:27.240 --> 1:44:29.840 meaning you? We're tearing it up, so it don't mean 1:44:29.880 --> 1:44:32.519 ship to us, you know what I'm saying. So you 1:44:32.640 --> 1:44:34.840 get them and you work with them to help us 1:44:34.880 --> 1:44:38.479 get rid of and fix the ship that moving the 1:44:39.320 --> 1:44:41.479 sore thumbs. You know what I'm saying. We need to 1:44:41.479 --> 1:44:44.120 get rid of the sore thumbs people from getting killed you. 1:44:45.080 --> 1:44:47.120 But like you said, if you can't give rid of 1:44:47.160 --> 1:44:50.439 a mob, James, You're gonna always have a problem, you 1:44:50.439 --> 1:44:53.360 know what I'm saying, Because that dude purpose is just 1:44:53.520 --> 1:44:56.080 to be a game bagger and create your habit. So 1:44:56.200 --> 1:44:59.639 you gotta remove him, you know what I'm saying. If 1:44:59.720 --> 1:45:01.599 you ain't do that, the hood ain't gonna do it 1:45:01.840 --> 1:45:04.559 unless he get killed. That's the only way to get 1:45:04.640 --> 1:45:08.040 rid of you. But if you if you got guys 1:45:08.080 --> 1:45:10.760 like us and saying, okay, our hood, we need to 1:45:10.800 --> 1:45:16.040 fix this. So because it saves your nieces, your little cousins, 1:45:16.479 --> 1:45:21.559 your nephews and everybody else because now they see us 1:45:21.640 --> 1:45:25.480 working with them, helping fix what we call our community, 1:45:25.640 --> 1:45:28.000 our neighborhood. You see what I'm saying. If you don't 1:45:28.040 --> 1:45:30.920 do that, then we find each other and you know 1:45:30.960 --> 1:45:33.639 what the problem it was. Man, The first thing somebody 1:45:33.680 --> 1:45:36.639 go say, oh, he's working with the police, because people's 1:45:36.720 --> 1:45:41.200 definition with snitchey meals is so like skewed and funked 1:45:41.240 --> 1:45:44.640 up nowadays. For the record, sniche is this. If you 1:45:44.720 --> 1:45:47.599 are a member of the underworld and you're partaking any 1:45:47.680 --> 1:45:52.040 criminal activity, like you go rob a bank, your partner 1:45:52.120 --> 1:45:54.040 you robbed the bank with, don't get caught. But you 1:45:54.160 --> 1:45:56.720 get caught and you say, well, man, I know the 1:45:56.880 --> 1:45:59.600 eight hedn't want to talk me into this ship. And 1:45:59.640 --> 1:46:02.400 he even he still got a hundred fifty dollars he 1:46:02.520 --> 1:46:05.680 did it. And he's hiding over his cousin's house on Riverside. 1:46:05.960 --> 1:46:10.080 That's snitching right there. That's what snaky kneels right there. 1:46:10.360 --> 1:46:13.080 If my wife I'm not at home enough, somebody's breaking 1:46:13.120 --> 1:46:15.479 the house and she called the alarm company and they 1:46:15.520 --> 1:46:17.080 come over there and say that man was trying to 1:46:17.120 --> 1:46:20.000 break in my window. She is a civilian woman. She 1:46:20.200 --> 1:46:22.360 is not a snick She's incapable of being a snitch. 1:46:22.800 --> 1:46:25.000 And that's the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard. What 1:46:25.040 --> 1:46:28.880 you call a competent and uh oh yeah, that's it. 1:46:29.000 --> 1:46:31.360 But I'm just saying, these these kids that they they got, 1:46:31.400 --> 1:46:34.800 they call them motherfucker's rhets just to call people. You 1:46:34.840 --> 1:46:39.120 got people out there today and just slow behind that 1:46:39.240 --> 1:46:42.320 hip hop ship and the code of of hip hop 1:46:42.680 --> 1:46:45.559 and the code of you know, the Takashi bullshit and 1:46:45.600 --> 1:46:49.639 all that ship then. And like I said, the youth today, uh, 1:46:49.800 --> 1:46:53.960 they inherit, uh the snitching ship of some new form 1:46:54.000 --> 1:46:56.160 of whatever. Like you said, we've been dealing with that 1:46:56.200 --> 1:46:59.920 ship for a decade. Motherfucker's used to go tell Bump 1:47:00.160 --> 1:47:03.080 Johnson or who was doing this or delivering the numbers 1:47:03.160 --> 1:47:07.320 or whatever whatever. So we've had snitching, so to speak, 1:47:07.400 --> 1:47:11.680 since the beginning of time. What it is is that civilians, 1:47:11.960 --> 1:47:15.720 we never considered civilians to be snitchers. You know, we 1:47:15.840 --> 1:47:19.400 never considered a motherfucker if it was an innocent kid 1:47:19.520 --> 1:47:22.679 got killed or a baby and you told who did 1:47:22.760 --> 1:47:25.400 to drive by shooting or ship. You know, it's just 1:47:25.439 --> 1:47:27.840 a different code that we have and what the kids 1:47:27.920 --> 1:47:32.240 want to do nowadays. Uh So it shouldn't be a 1:47:32.280 --> 1:47:36.240 factor of niggas from the neighborhood wanting to control the 1:47:36.280 --> 1:47:39.599 neighborhood on a positive aspect, because ship, when you're happy 1:47:39.640 --> 1:47:42.200 and everything is fun and fine and everybody got money, 1:47:42.400 --> 1:47:45.880 you usually don't have the fucking problems. So and then 1:47:45.920 --> 1:47:49.320 another thing with trying to control our areas and getting 1:47:49.360 --> 1:47:52.519 rid of the bad motherfucker because you just have to 1:47:52.720 --> 1:47:54.559 get you a pack of niggas who want to see 1:47:54.560 --> 1:47:59.120 the hood doing better. Si ganga niggas like this. I 1:47:59.200 --> 1:48:01.800 just want to ask one question, one last question before 1:48:01.840 --> 1:48:07.639 we get out of here. Um we need police your 1:48:07.680 --> 1:48:10.400 mentality when you were a kid, what made you want 1:48:10.400 --> 1:48:15.280 to become a cop? So? Um, I never thought about 1:48:15.320 --> 1:48:17.880 it as a kid, like it was never even a 1:48:17.920 --> 1:48:20.400 thought in my mind. And then as I got older, 1:48:20.640 --> 1:48:24.280 and uh, I realized that, you know, I was gonna 1:48:24.280 --> 1:48:25.840 have to make it on my own and figure out 1:48:25.840 --> 1:48:28.280 how to how to do that. A friend of mine's 1:48:28.360 --> 1:48:31.400 dad was a cop and he was also my football coach, 1:48:32.040 --> 1:48:34.640 and so he was somewhat of a mentor. And so 1:48:34.720 --> 1:48:37.519 I grew up without my dad, and so you know, 1:48:37.520 --> 1:48:41.519 I kind of fell under this guy's influence and he's like, Greg, 1:48:41.640 --> 1:48:44.439 you know, you're in any direction where it's very easy 1:48:44.479 --> 1:48:47.639 for you to get, you know, into a situation where 1:48:47.640 --> 1:48:50.639 you'll never have an opportunity to do this because yeah, 1:48:50.680 --> 1:48:53.320 you know, I was heading for trouble and he goes, 1:48:53.439 --> 1:48:55.600 you know, but it's so far. You haven't gotten to 1:48:55.680 --> 1:48:59.679 the point where you've disqualified yourself. And it's a good career. 1:49:00.000 --> 1:49:03.240 And so I didn't do it out of this, you know, 1:49:03.880 --> 1:49:06.320 this aspiration like I just want to be a caught. 1:49:06.840 --> 1:49:08.760 I looked at it as this is a really good 1:49:08.760 --> 1:49:11.120 career and it's a chance for me to get in 1:49:11.160 --> 1:49:14.760 a good profession. I was relatively uneducated at a G E. 1:49:14.880 --> 1:49:18.719 D UM And to your other point, though, I think 1:49:19.160 --> 1:49:22.320 education should be absolutely required for anybody going to law enforcement. 1:49:22.360 --> 1:49:25.960 You should have a college education. And these days, you know, 1:49:26.000 --> 1:49:29.320 I think that that's um. But for me, I got it. 1:49:29.479 --> 1:49:32.840 I got into it because there was an opportunity. And 1:49:32.880 --> 1:49:39.040 then once I started, UM, I just I it was 1:49:39.080 --> 1:49:41.360 the right career path for me. But just because of 1:49:41.680 --> 1:49:43.880 the fact that you know, I grew up all around dope. 1:49:44.120 --> 1:49:46.160 I grew up with a hippie mom. I grew up 1:49:46.160 --> 1:49:50.439 in all this environment where I could really appreciate and 1:49:50.600 --> 1:49:56.439 empathize with the people that I was encountering. No drug addicts. 1:49:56.479 --> 1:50:00.599 I understood, like, this can happen to anybody, almost right. 1:50:00.720 --> 1:50:04.040 I didn't see them, rejected them. That also saw the 1:50:04.439 --> 1:50:07.080 sinister aspect of it, of the people that we're dealing 1:50:07.120 --> 1:50:10.040 those dope or dealing drives. So all of that just 1:50:11.439 --> 1:50:15.280 evolved into me being um a police officer that I 1:50:15.280 --> 1:50:19.800 think as relatively fit for it. I don't know if 1:50:19.800 --> 1:50:23.599 that answer your question. It just it just ends with 1:50:23.640 --> 1:50:28.360 what I'm trying to say and end with is you 1:50:28.439 --> 1:50:30.720 have to appreciate your job or you want to you know, 1:50:31.320 --> 1:50:34.120 I don't think you can come into law enforcement or 1:50:34.120 --> 1:50:36.920 want to be a police with the mentality of that 1:50:37.120 --> 1:50:40.240 fuck it you give me. You know, you thought it 1:50:40.280 --> 1:50:44.000 was a good career and in doing so, you were 1:50:44.040 --> 1:50:47.160 able to come in and figure out, yeah, dope, shit 1:50:47.320 --> 1:50:51.960 is fucked up and crackheads and fucking kids whatever. Whatever. 1:50:52.040 --> 1:50:55.760 So that's what I'm saying about today with the policing, 1:50:56.200 --> 1:50:59.120 we need to find motherfucker's who really are passionate about 1:50:59.160 --> 1:51:01.760 being a fucking pole. That's that's the point. He was 1:51:01.800 --> 1:51:06.639 able to relate growing up sin and ship. So now 1:51:06.680 --> 1:51:08.880 I'm a police officers. Now that he's the police officer, 1:51:09.320 --> 1:51:12.160 he could relate to being on the street and see 1:51:12.240 --> 1:51:17.920 the ship that was going on and and uh what 1:51:18.080 --> 1:51:23.760 is that? Um damn, I got the word for this. 1:51:24.760 --> 1:51:27.560 He see what's going on, and and now I can 1:51:27.680 --> 1:51:31.640 I relate to talking to these people because I've been 1:51:31.680 --> 1:51:37.720 around it. I know what it's about. So it's it's 1:51:37.760 --> 1:51:40.600 a good move. So you can honestly say he's in 1:51:40.680 --> 1:51:43.800 the right place because I can relate to you people. 1:51:43.880 --> 1:51:47.240 I can relate to what you're going through. Cocaine hit 1:51:47.360 --> 1:51:51.840 everybody go by. It didn't have no no, no, it 1:51:52.000 --> 1:51:56.120 wasn't racist. It took everybody out that. I think that 1:51:56.600 --> 1:52:01.320 was would be way better for situations day if dudes 1:52:01.360 --> 1:52:06.439 who joined the force were educated. Uh, we're knowledgeable about 1:52:06.479 --> 1:52:09.320 where they're from, the police, the people in the area 1:52:09.360 --> 1:52:13.160 of the community, and not just right now you give me. 1:52:13.479 --> 1:52:16.240 You need to study and learn about what's been happening 1:52:16.280 --> 1:52:18.920 over in the mob for the last thirty years. You 1:52:19.000 --> 1:52:22.639 need to know what down and Dragon or south Side 1:52:22.680 --> 1:52:26.880 or where. So that's all that was my last point. 1:52:26.880 --> 1:52:31.000 I'm done there. There's this real quick thing seven grade 1:52:31.040 --> 1:52:32.880 with what you said about we bought. We've got to 1:52:32.920 --> 1:52:35.400 work together, right, We've got to figure that out. How 1:52:35.400 --> 1:52:41.200 to you know, regain a mutual um respect for one 1:52:41.200 --> 1:52:44.960 another that you started this whole thing out with, Like 1:52:45.080 --> 1:52:48.960 what is it like to grow up in hopelessness? And 1:52:49.040 --> 1:52:52.600 like until we get those communities to where there's to 1:52:52.640 --> 1:52:55.920 where there's opportunity. Until you can get those communities to 1:52:55.960 --> 1:52:58.760 where there's opportunity, there's gonna be hopelessness. And when the 1:52:58.760 --> 1:53:02.720 hopelessness becomes a d valuation of life and the evaluation 1:53:02.760 --> 1:53:04.320 of life, well, I'm just gonna take some ship from 1:53:04.360 --> 1:53:06.479 you to take your life because it really doesn't mean anything. 1:53:06.840 --> 1:53:10.559 And that until we get those communities to where there's 1:53:10.560 --> 1:53:13.920 an opportunity, then you're still gonna have that sense of 1:53:14.000 --> 1:53:15.880 like what the funk might not I'll just go out 1:53:15.920 --> 1:53:19.160 and take mine, that's right? Is that right? I just 1:53:19.200 --> 1:53:20.680 feel like you've got to figure out how to make 1:53:20.720 --> 1:53:24.040 the fire out. People feel like if people have opportunities 1:53:24.120 --> 1:53:25.920 to work towards, you know, when you ain't got an 1:53:25.960 --> 1:53:28.200 opportunity to work towards and that and ship, it's gonna 1:53:28.200 --> 1:53:31.240 be a bad day. And with that that reps up 1:53:31.280 --> 1:53:34.680 in another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. Who like 1:53:34.880 --> 1:53:38.480 think Greg Katie Man forgiving us some really insightful information. 1:53:39.439 --> 1:53:41.840 You got a podcast coming out, don't you. And I'm 1:53:41.840 --> 1:53:43.240 hoping to you you know what, I'm trying to do 1:53:43.280 --> 1:53:45.320 this little thing I want to do. You guys remember 1:53:45.320 --> 1:53:49.560 that Christopher Dorner case that things are gonna try to 1:53:49.600 --> 1:53:53.719 do something with that that's really do That's yeah, definitely 1:53:53.760 --> 1:53:56.000 we could be to open Greg out with that man 1:53:56.040 --> 1:53:58.240 and supporting them for whatever he needs. Man Is he's 1:53:58.280 --> 1:54:00.920 definitely a friend of the show d and you will 1:54:01.000 --> 1:54:03.760 hear more from him. 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