1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Cal's weekend review, presented by Steel. Steel products are available 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: only at authorized dealers. For more, go to Steel Dealers 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal callahan. 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: For the first time in one hundred years, a grizzly 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: barry has been photographed in prairie habitat along the Missouri 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: River breaks. The conservation organization American Prairie formerly American Prairie 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: Reserve APR, first reported back in October that grizzly tracks 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: had been found in this area of central Montana along 10 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: the Judith River. The group set trail cams and hopes 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: of capturing photo of the grizz and their efforts paid 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: off earlier this month. While grizzlies today occupy mountainous regions 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: out west, they historically lived in prairie ecosystems as well, 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: which everybody knows why that movie with Leonardo DiCaprio is 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: kind of because although the grunting and the pain and 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: the dragging and the what nots that happened did look 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,639 Speaker 2: very realistic, the landscape was not. That's a prairie story, 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: not a mountain story. But I digress. Grizzly bears are 19 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: well adapted to life on the prairie, which offers abundant 20 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: food sources such as fleshy roots, berries, fresh prairie grasses, 21 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: and forbes, rodents and carrion. They were driven out of 22 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: these areas by settlers, but as their populations have expanded 23 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: in recent decades, they're beginning to reoccupy the American great planes. 24 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: And speaking of big old grizzly bears, I'm sitting here 25 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: with Douglas Durhaan sharing the land, Famous Doug durhan This 26 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: is what's happening in the My Week segment of this 27 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: podcast and really the rest of the podcast. As you know, 28 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: we've been highlighting conservation organizations because I get so many emails, messages, texts, 29 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: smoke signals. What have you saying? Hey? What groups should 30 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: I get involved in? What should I show up for? 31 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: And I like to tell people sign up for newsletters 32 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: and decide for yourself, But a lot of those people 33 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 2: then reply, well can't you just tell me? So this 34 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: is another step down the road of doing things the 35 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: hard way, the Callahan way of learn it and make 36 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: a decision on your own. You're an adult, so this 37 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 2: week we are highlighting the Sharing the Land project or 38 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: just Sharing the Land, headed up by my good friend 39 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 2: Doug Duran. Doug, what is sharing the land? 40 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: Well, Sharing land is as the idea is as old 41 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 3: as the bartering system. It's a conservation cooperative network of 42 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: people access seekers and landowners who get together. The access 43 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 3: seeker provides some contributions to conservation of the landowner's property 44 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 3: or some other conservation contribution that the landowner is interested in, 45 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: and in exchange for that, they're allowed to access that 46 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: land for whatever arrangement the landowner and the access sacre 47 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: agree on. 48 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: But for our purposes, what we'd be interested in is 49 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: like the hunting, fishing, maybe foraging aspect of getting the 50 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: trapes around somebody's private property. 51 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 4: You're exactly right. 52 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: Most of this is based around the kind of stuff 53 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: that the folks who listen to you and a little 54 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: bit to me like to do. We've had even this week, 55 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: some access here, some hunters here, deer hunting. There's really 56 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: no limit to what kind of access that that a 57 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: landowner can provide or that people can look for. But 58 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of what we're doing is hunting, fishing, 59 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: a little bit of camping and yeah, so it's great. 60 00:03:54,040 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I guess the short version would be tell 61 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: people right now where they can find sharing the land 62 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: and how easy it is to find somebody right because 63 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: there's two sides. There's the people with the land and 64 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: there's the people who want to get access to that land. So, 65 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 2: if you are somebody with land and you're interested in 66 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: having people come out or contribute to that that property 67 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 2: value or conservation value of that property, how do they 68 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: get involved with sharing the land? 69 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: Well, both sides, both the folks who want to access 70 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: and the landowner do the same thing. You go to 71 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: Sharing the Land dot com and you'll see on the 72 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: website some drop down fillable forms. One is for filling 73 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: out a conservation resume. If that if you're an access seeker, 74 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: and that is exactly what it sounds like. You are 75 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: putting your best foot forward and telling telling the landowners 76 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: who you are and what you about and the things 77 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: that you're interested in. And that's a like any resume. 78 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: You can build on that resume, And if you're a landowner, 79 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: you go on there and there's a drop down fillable 80 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: form called a Cooperating land profile, and there you can 81 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: fill out information about your land, what you're interested in 82 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: having help with, and what access hunting, fishing, camping, foraging 83 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 3: you're able to provide the folks, and then that information 84 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: comes to the sharing The Land World headquarters here in Casinovia, Wisconsin, 85 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: with our satellite office and the state of Washington, and 86 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 3: we put those two groups of people together. I will 87 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: say this as you might as you might imagine, we 88 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 3: have a lot more folks who are filling out conservation 89 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: resumes who are access seekers, and we have landowners who 90 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 3: are filling out cooperating land profiles. There's more access seekers 91 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: in our landowners, and of course the landowner has you know, 92 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: they have to think about their own interests and if 93 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: it's something that's for them. So we've been recruiting landowners 94 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 3: and it's been a real interesting process listening to what 95 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 3: landowners are concerned about and then addressing those concerns and 96 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: access seekers are, you know, continuing to put stuff in 97 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 3: and their information in. We have thirty properties in nine 98 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 3: different states and we have over three hundred access seekers 99 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: and as you might imagine, we have access seekers and 100 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: places where we don't have land, and we also have 101 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: land in places where we don't have access seekers. We 102 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 3: just had one in West Virginia that we put a 103 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: call out on Sharing the Land Instagram page. You can 104 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 3: find that through Doug Durhan at Doug Durhan but at 105 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 3: Sharing the Land on Instagram. We put a call out 106 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: and we did get some folks responding to that. And 107 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: we also had a piece of property in New Mexico 108 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 3: that landowner we didn't we didn't have anyone there. We 109 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: put a call out and we got a couple of 110 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: folks and that's working out. 111 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: What kind of recent examples of sharing the land in 112 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: practice can you give? I know, you know I'm here 113 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: because I'm buddies with you and got to hang out 114 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: for the family and extended family friends opening weekend rifle 115 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: here in Wisconsin, which was super cool, and I know 116 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: you were getting some text messages of the program in action. 117 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so our pharm Aside, which has been part 118 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 3: of the model, right, our pharm a Side. We have 119 00:07:54,680 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: four properties in Wisconsin and being opening weekend. One property 120 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: about seven miles from here. The landowner had reached out 121 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: and said, I'm really interested in doing this and I 122 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: can take a couple of deer hunters and it's like, oh, well, 123 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: we kind of like to have folks do work first, 124 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,559 Speaker 3: and he said, you know, if it's the right people, 125 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: I'll work that out with them later. So I actually 126 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: had a father and two sons who I introduced them, 127 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: and I. 128 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 4: Know both sides of this equation. 129 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: Pretty well, both the landowner and this access seeker and 130 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: put them together and they've already worked out a deal, 131 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: and lo and behold, twelve year old young man went 132 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: out and shot his first deer, nice little buck on 133 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: that property on Saturday, and they've already made plans for 134 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: what they're going to do to help the landowner. 135 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: So that's a great one. 136 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: We have a property up in the Stevens Point area 137 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: that a couple of people have been working on for 138 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: Gee says. Last spring they did a little turn hunting, 139 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: but they just started deer hunting and sounds. 140 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 4: Like they had great success. 141 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: Another property south of here that has one person on 142 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 3: it and very actively managed property, and this person happened 143 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 3: to have the access seeker happen to have skills and 144 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 3: background in prescribed fire and chainsaw safety and that sort 145 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: of thing. So it was a perfect match because it's 146 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 3: an older couple who need who've done a lot of 147 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: that kind of work but are getting to the point 148 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: where they probably shouldn't be swinging a chainsaw and they 149 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 3: need help. 150 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 4: That's been fantastic. We have two properties in two. 151 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 3: Landowners with three different properties in North Dakota, and they're 152 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: out there. Folks have been pulling wire out of the 153 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 3: ground and helping him, helping them plant. You know, they've 154 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: been rolling up fences, but they've been also helping him 155 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: plant wildlife shrubs and that kind of thing. And they've 156 00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 3: been doing prairie chicken and pheasant hunting out there. So 157 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: those are some of the ones that I can just 158 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: reel off off the top of my head. 159 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 2: So what is is all the vetting being done by 160 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: sharing the land. 161 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 3: So what we are doing is getting the resumes together 162 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 3: and we'll look them over and see which one might 163 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: match the best with with some of the landowners from there. 164 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: We don't we keep the landowners information private. We send 165 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 3: them the people who've applied and that we think are appropriate. 166 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: Then they like any job, kind of look through the resume, 167 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 3: see who they like to talk, and what we tell 168 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 3: them to do is to start out slow, have a conversation. 169 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 3: If we've got multiple access seekers. Talk to half a 170 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 3: dozen again, just like it would be a job interview, 171 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: talk to if you if you have room for two, 172 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 3: talk to. 173 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 4: Four or five. 174 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 3: See which ones you feel you know the best about. 175 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 3: So start out with that and then start out with 176 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 3: a small project and and then move forward. And so 177 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: the vetting is really done by the land owner as 178 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 3: the and we as the if we were using the 179 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: employer employee thing as the employer, you know, looking into 180 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: that person. We have some suggestions, frequently asked questions about 181 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: vetting and if there's concerns about you know, backgrounds and 182 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: that kind of thing, that can be done. And but 183 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 3: really where it really starts is those people having that 184 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: conversation and developing a relationship sort of like a door knocker. 185 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: We're kind of providing a door knocker opportunity right where 186 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: we're matching people up. We then uh provide a agreement 187 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: form and they that they can use for you know, 188 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 3: for their own purposes and and make changes to it. 189 00:11:53,559 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: There is insurance that's available through for an insurance provider outdoor, 190 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: you know, insurance hunting insurance and as a part of 191 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 3: the agreement, there's a whole harmless part of that and 192 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 3: at the end of the day. Most states have a 193 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: recreational access law, which if you're allowing someone to hunting 194 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 3: your property and as long as what they're doing for 195 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 3: you is sort of hunting related or conservation related, there 196 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: you can have in exchange. Wisconsin has one. You can 197 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: actually take up to two thousand dollars in money or 198 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: value and still be covered under the recreational access law. 199 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 3: A lot of states have very similar laws. And there's 200 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: actually a website that we direct people to and we 201 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: provide as much information that we possibly can to both 202 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: the landowner and the access seecret so they get them 203 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 3: you know, they know what they're getting themselves into. 204 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 4: Awesome. 205 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: What I guess is the most common from what you've 206 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: seen so far, what's the most common labor trade that 207 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: you see? What are people really needing out there on 208 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: the farm or ranch? 209 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: You know, it's usually really simple stuff. We're fixing fence, 210 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: we're taking down fence, maybe we're limbing trees. Prescribe fire. 211 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 3: If you've done I know you've done burns. You need 212 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 3: two things when you do a prescribe burn. You need 213 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: people and water. And if it gets western, you need 214 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: a lot of water. So but that's a really great thing. 215 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 3: So that's a skill that people are learning too. So 216 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: those are those are some invasive species control. I think 217 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 3: I may have mentioned that. And then it becomes a question, well, 218 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: what skills to these people have? And in some cases 219 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: I've had landowners, including myself, just have people come out 220 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: and help with simple chores around the farm. Shovel a 221 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: little maneuver for me. You know, it's a you uh 222 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 3: you weren't you earn some favor, but you know, picking 223 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: stuff up. We've some carpentry work is another one. People 224 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: have done lawn work for people, Trimming some apple trees 225 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 3: have been done. 226 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: So usually the skilled labor is always great, but the 227 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: reality is is many hands make light work, and uh, 228 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: if you're just willing to show up and be open 229 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: to a little bit of sweat equity, they can find 230 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: a job for you. 231 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 4: That's exactly right. 232 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: You know. 233 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: The old the old thing was hey, hey, come and help 234 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: you bail Hey. Well we don't really bail hay like 235 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: that anymore. The square bales and stack them on the 236 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: It's sort of that idyllic idea, right, but we don't 237 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: really do it that way. Anymore, we roll them up 238 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: and move them around with skid steers. I've had people 239 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: come and just help like shuttle equipment around and get 240 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: you know, get things in places where we need them. 241 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 3: What we like to do is to say that the hunting, 242 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: the work of getting ready for hunting is not really 243 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: a part of the sharing a land agreement. That's you're 244 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 3: going to do that no matter where you go. So 245 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: you know, the contribution to conservation. One of the projects 246 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: that we did here, and I know that one of 247 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: the landowners in North Dakota did something similar. We actually 248 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: had conservation stewardship and one of North Dakota had equip 249 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: projects that they needed to get done. My CSP work 250 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: was limbing pine trees, limbing and thinning. Well the limbing, 251 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: sure it would go faster with chainsaws, but you take 252 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 3: a half a dozen or eight people up there with 253 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: you know, with some of those nice steel loppers and 254 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: start cutting limbs off or or with the electric pulsaw. 255 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 4: You know, you have a nice. 256 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: Quiet time in the woods kind of lopping limbs off 257 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: trees and talking and kind of explaining what we're doing. 258 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: And if you get to a point where folks really 259 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 3: need to when we when that project needed you know, 260 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: heavier work like chainsaws and like tree termin here and 261 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, we just planned to do that 262 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 3: at a different time. What I liked doing here and 263 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 3: with with my friend brock And who was running a 264 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: lot of this stuff, is that we would plan for 265 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: an hour on the front end of talking and explaining 266 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: what we're doing, three or four hours of work in 267 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: an hour on the back end, and oftentimes we'd end 268 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: it with a you know, with a little shooting or 269 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: or a little bit more of a walk on the 270 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 3: farm to look at other things and maybe what the 271 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: next project is. Another project that's I'm real excited about 272 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: and in fact I'll be going down there next week 273 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,479 Speaker 3: to do some filming is one on a prairie seed production. 274 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 4: Farm. 275 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: And last summer we did a bunch of work on. 276 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 4: The guy's property. 277 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 3: Six people showed up and Hoxy Seeds, who's one of 278 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: our sharing land cooperators or landowners. We went down and 279 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: did a day's worth of work helping them big blue 280 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: stem out of Indian grass, and then we did a 281 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: bunch of hand collecting of seeds that are best hand collected. 282 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 3: And now next week we're gonna go down and to 283 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: do a day hunting with the same folks and on 284 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 3: extissending the film crew and they've been, you know, documenting this, 285 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 3: so we're trying to tell these stories as well. But 286 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 3: that and that's a great story the Hoxey seed folks 287 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 3: and what they've done and how they're how they need that. 288 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 3: It's real simple. I mean, it takes five minutes to 289 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 3: learn how to to dig out a big blue stem 290 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 3: out of indian grass, and it takes shorter to learn 291 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 3: how to hand collect faults indigo or butterfly weed. 292 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 4: And you're really helped the. 293 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 2: Figure out like what you're glossing over from uh, somebody 294 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: with a lot a lot more knowledge than I have, 295 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: is you know, a huge benefit to me if I 296 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: was to come out and do that labor would be 297 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: to learn what that stuff actually is, yeah, and why 298 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: why animals like it? Right, And then when I head 299 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 2: out into the fields looking for birds or looking for bucks, 300 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: I can identify that good native habitat that puts a 301 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: lot of good fat on wild animals. One thing that 302 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 2: I want to talk about here before we wrap this up, Doug, 303 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: is another just kind of cool experience that you help 304 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: provide here. You had a group from can Am come 305 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: out and can Am brought three first time hunters to 306 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: the ranch where sorry the farm and yeah, first time 307 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: hunter experience is so interesting. This area of Wisconsin is 308 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: known for really big bucks. Your perspective on managing for 309 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 2: wild deer, trying to make wild deer as big asssible, 310 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 2: has really changed over the years. So even though they 311 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: were coming out to a county that's known for big 312 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: white tails, the speech that you gave was, you know, 313 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: we're not selecting deer here. We're trying to remove about 314 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 2: sixty animals this year. Most of those are going to 315 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: be does or do fonds because that's just how it. 316 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 2: You know, nobody walks out to a field full of bucks. 317 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: But the takeaway was if you were happy with that animal, 318 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: we're going to be happy with you. And that's kind 319 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 2: of the management practice. It's a total population objective versus 320 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 2: very selective individual animal perspective. 321 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what's interesting about that is for the 322 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: last for about seven years now we retired to Sombrero 323 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 3: and we have not been doing buck management. Per se, 324 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: let him go so he can grow. I don't tell 325 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: people you have to shoot the first buck that comes 326 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 3: in front of you, you can make that choice, and 327 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 3: you're right whatever a will you choose to shoot. If 328 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: you make a good ethical shot, take a good ethical shot, 329 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: be happy with that animal, and we will be happy 330 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: with you. And it makes it so much easier to 331 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 3: manage the whole thing. We've been providing as of some 332 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: of our other landowners been providing learn to hunt opportunities 333 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 3: with our partners. National Deer Association is a great example, 334 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 3: and they really have that healthy deer management attitude. We 335 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 3: want a healthy ecosystem, we want a healthy deer herd, 336 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: and we want to provide opportunities for hunters to get 337 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: out there. And so all these things sort of wind 338 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 3: together into the idea of sharing the land. 339 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: And what was interesting to me is, you know, we 340 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 2: had people who were very aware of hunting things. They 341 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: may not have been aware of them in the I 342 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: go out and shoot deer perspective, because that's not what 343 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: three quarters of the group, but they were all trained 344 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 2: somehow some way to say what are we allowed to shoot? 345 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: And what you know, like if you get a hunting 346 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: license here and you select this county, you get a 347 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: buck tag and four dough tags right, right. But everybody 348 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 2: was like, Okay, well, what what is the you know, 349 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: what is it? How old does the deer have to be? 350 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 2: Or how big does it have to be? And what 351 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: I saw was honestly a pretty collective ease of tension 352 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 2: when it was you know, if you want a deer, 353 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: I suggest you take the first deer that steps in 354 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: front of you. That provides that good ethical opportunity. And 355 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 2: then as we started taking these first time hunters into 356 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: the field, they were ecstatic with the dough or the 357 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: small buck that they had the opportunity at, you know, 358 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: and they were ecstatic in the field, and then once 359 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: again when they kind of got back to the farmhouse 360 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: else they were like, is this is this something I 361 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: should be proud of? Or how cool should I be? 362 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 2: And then you kind of had to re talk again 363 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: about dude, that is your first deer. Yeah, that is 364 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: a big deal. That is awesome, right, And. 365 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 3: As we as we demonstrated sincerely, we were happy for them, 366 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 3: we were happy with them. And but it is so 367 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 3: interesting that you brought that up. This there was some 368 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 3: preconceived notions with these folks, and I'm happy that we 369 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 3: were able to to knock those preconceived notions about a 370 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 3: deer has to be so big, or we only want 371 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: to do this, or and boy I should be happy 372 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 3: with that. 373 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 4: There's just. 374 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 3: It's it's so vital, I think, especially as we. 375 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 4: Welcome more and more folks to the to the the. 376 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 3: World of hunting, that we're just clear about that. Let's 377 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: we're all in this together. Let's be happy about the 378 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 3: deer that we harvest and and be supportive of that. 379 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: Between you and Jordan and I for sure, and then 380 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 3: the other guys who were here, everybody was happy for 381 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 3: all those folks, and you could there was that tension 382 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: easing again, just like it did when I said, you 383 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 3: know in our in our group meeting pre hunt meeting, 384 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 3: that whatever deer you're happy with, we'll be happy with 385 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 3: as long as you're taking good ethical shots. And then 386 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 3: every one of my other regular folks who were here 387 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 3: walked around and shook people's hands and patted them on 388 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 3: the back, and that was all very sincere, and you 389 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 3: could just see that tension or those concerns leave, and 390 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 3: it's so interesting, you know. 391 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the hunting is this crazy thing. It's 392 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: so responsibility heavy. Yeah, but it's way more simple when 393 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 2: you're in the field, right, It's that that saying of 394 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: doing the right thing even when nobody's watching. But then 395 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: the social burden that we put on ourselves, the quite 396 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: bs social burden, especially when you're around media people and 397 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 2: writers and and things like that, where it's like, how 398 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: am I going to tell this story right? 399 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 3: Right? 400 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: And it's like, you just put awesome food in the freezer, 401 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: you made a great shot. You got to go experience 402 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: somebody else's place that you know, not a lot of 403 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: people get to go check out. One of the beautiful 404 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: things about hunting is going places that people who you 405 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 2: know take the scenic Byway or the ATV trail may 406 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: be near, but they've never been to, right, And it's 407 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 2: it's very simple once you relieve that social stigma, you know. 408 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 3: So yeah, well that's part of what we're trying to 409 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 3: do with this and and and certainly I think a 410 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 3: landowner who's willing to meet people that most of the 411 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 3: most part they don't know, but then get to know 412 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 3: them and work cooperatively, spend some time cooperatively building a 413 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 3: community that's based around conservation. You know, everyone should feel 414 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 3: good about that. And really seeing that with the landowners. 415 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 3: These are the folks who are interested in that kind 416 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 3: of thing. If the access secret goes in with that 417 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 3: same kind of attitude or learns that same kind of attitude, 418 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: then great. You know, we have most of our landowners 419 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 3: who are well all of our landowners who are doing 420 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 3: this are very engaged landowners. 421 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 4: So they're proud of their property. 422 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 3: They're happy to show it off, they're they're they're spending 423 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 3: time on it. 424 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 4: They like to share that. 425 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 2: And I think, if I may, that is something that 426 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 2: gets lost in these transactional models of land sharing, Like 427 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 2: as we try to make things more efficient and turn 428 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: them into vacation rental that has hunting available, it becomes 429 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: another Amazon purchase right, and the purchaser doesn't get to say, 430 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 2: Holy cow, I can't believe I'm here. This is beautiful. 431 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: How long has your family been here? You know? Was 432 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 2: the place always like this? What have you been doing? 433 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 2: I see this is in CRP, I see you burned 434 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: over here, I see you know, all of those things, 435 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: those little bits of like family history that come with 436 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 2: the stewardship and cultivation of the land kind of gets 437 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: tossed out the window when it's like, oh, here's the 438 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 2: available date. It's here's the nightly rate. 439 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well it can all be a part of it. 440 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not. 441 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 3: I actually we've talked about this. I have a lease 442 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: agreement with some bow hunters and they've been here for 443 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 3: a few years now. And you know, because I don't 444 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 3: I don't bohunt. And they've been here for a few 445 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 3: years now. And I remember Jack, the main guy, saying 446 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 3: to me, so, I want to get this straight. So 447 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 3: we pay X amount of dollars to come here and 448 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 3: do this, and we have the exclusive access from the 449 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 3: beginning of the season until this date in the season, 450 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 3: and the day after we leave, they're going to be 451 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 3: folks on here aren't paying anything. So they go, that's right, 452 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: he goes, Okay, Just so I'm clear. We've had a 453 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 3: seven year relationship with those guys. It's been fantastic. The 454 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 3: folks who are coming the next day have been making 455 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 3: contributions to conservation, either on this property or being volunteers 456 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 3: for our conservation Congress, becoming hunter safety instructors, doing all 457 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: those kinds of things, building a conservation resume, and that 458 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 3: has a lot of value to it to a landowner, 459 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 3: a person like me. So you know, again, this is 460 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: the kind of thing that you can kind of do 461 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: these different levels. But I know exactly what you mean. 462 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 3: When it comes down to when money's involved, it's different. 463 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 4: It's just different, yep. 464 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: But at the same time, nothing's free, right, right, So 465 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 2: those volunteer hours, even though they may not have been 466 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 2: spent on this farm, yep, you've you've been around, you know, 467 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: you can see where those volunteer hours paid dividends. So 468 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: and how that can come back and affect you. So 469 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: as we talked about, which is a story we will 470 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 2: not get into. We're gonna sign off, but you know, 471 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 2: and we have the conversation about why it is that 472 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: the non resident rifle only conservation package went from one 473 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty dollars a year to two hundred dollars 474 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: a year. 475 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 4: Okay, let's not get into that. We talked about that 476 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 4: some other times. 477 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, So one more time, Doug, where do 478 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: folks go to learn about Sharing the Land? 479 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 3: You can go onto Instagram at Sharing the Land. You 480 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 3: can also go to my Instagram at Doug Durhan. But 481 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 3: Sharing the Land dot com very very straightforward and you'll 482 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: find all this information on there and if you're a landowner, 483 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 3: feel free to contact me and we can have a 484 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 3: conversation about it before you do anything. But if you 485 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 3: do go on there and fill out a cooperating land profile, 486 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 3: understand that myself and my able assistant Lindsay are the 487 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 3: only two that see that. It doesn't become public information 488 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 3: until you decide that it does. So Sharing the Land 489 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 3: dot com. And thanks very much for having me on. 490 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, Doug. We'll talk to you later, I'm sure. 491 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: So that's all I got for you this week. Thank 492 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: you so much for listening. That's right in. Let me 493 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 2: know what you think of Doug and these conservation organization 494 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: episodes that we're doing spotlights, if you will by writing 495 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 2: into ask c a l. That's Askcal at the meeater 496 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: dot com and let me know what that's going on 497 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: in your neck of the woods. On top of that, 498 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: if you want to get out and do some cooperative 499 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 2: stuff like through Sharing the Land or stewardship volunteer hours 500 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: can't really hurt. Pick up a clean, quiet, battery operated 501 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: chainsaw at a local knowledgeable steel dealer near you. Check 502 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: out www dot steel dealers dot com to track one down. 503 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: They're gonna get you set up with what you need, 504 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: they won't try to send you home with what you don't. 505 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: And those steel oppers that Doug mentioned are great for limbs, 506 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: but they're also great for taking the four legs off 507 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 2: a deer or making those nice rib cuts too, So 508 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: thanks again, get out there, be safe, be courteous, and 509 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: I'll talk to you next week.