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Speaker 1: which Hi, everyone, welcome back to the Truth with Lisa Booth.

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Speaker 1: I want to discuss this week something that is so

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Speaker 1: political prisoners. Wanting to take a listen to this, that's

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Speaker 1: the January six political prisoner singing or national anthem, trying

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Speaker 1: at the hands of their own government. For the past

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Speaker 1: several months, Joe Biden's Justice Department has rounded up more

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Speaker 1: still awaiting trial. Many of those detained didn't even enter

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Speaker 1: Even worse, the constitutional human rights of these January six

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Speaker 1: detainees are being violated routinely. Many have suffered under solitary

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Speaker 1: personal hygiene, and religious services. This isn't North Korea, this

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Speaker 1: is Joe Biden's America. The media has largely ignored ward

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Speaker 1: many of these stories, instead choosing to demonize Trump supporters

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Speaker 1: mistreatment of these political prisoners. But one person has stayed

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Speaker 1: on the story. One person has continued to examine these

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Speaker 1: truth to the American people, and that's Julie Kelly. Julie

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Speaker 1: is a political commentator and a senior contributor to American Greatness,

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Speaker 1: where her writings have provided the single most insightful and

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Speaker 1: six and it's aftermath. She has been absolutely relentless and

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Speaker 1: following the prosecution of the January six protesters, now many

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Speaker 1: author of Disloyal Opposition, How the Never Trump Right tried

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Speaker 1: and failed to take down the President, which came out

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Speaker 1: last year. A few months ago, I interviewed Julie Kelly,

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Speaker 1: Kelly with American greatness to catch everyone up to speed

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Speaker 1: on what's been going on and what we need to know. Julie,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining the show again. I I

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Speaker 1: freaking tinuing to cover this and um you have me

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Speaker 1: all of this critical information with your with your audience well,

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Speaker 1: and Julie, no one has stayed more up to date

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Speaker 1: So right now, about six forty Americans have been arrested

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Speaker 1: related to the Capital Breach probe. That's the official name

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Speaker 1: every week, Lisa. Right now, about seventy are behind bars

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Speaker 1: But this is what Joe Biden's prosecutors are arguing in court,

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Speaker 1: the FBI and anything that is seemingly to the right.

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Speaker 1: We'll think about this, Lisa. On June six of a

435
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Speaker 1: longtime FBI informant convicted felon real low life. He's been

436
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Speaker 1: charged with sex with a minor burglary, forgery, etcetera. But

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00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: of course he's been working with our stellar FBI for

438
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Speaker 1: years as an informant. He organized something called the National

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Speaker 1: Militia Conference in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio, and he's

440
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: pesturing people that he's targeted off social media for weeks,

441
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: trying to get them to go to this conference. One

442
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Speaker 1: man remarks, Wow, their sads everywhere they know their pictures

443
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: are getting taken. Well, here's this FBI informant a week

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Speaker 1: just as the country's trying to recover from knights of violent, deadly,

445
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Speaker 1: destructive rioting, and instead out of the FBI infiltrating those

446
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Speaker 1: groups or trying to stop those activist writers protesters from

447
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Speaker 1: uh you know, causing so much damage across the country,

448
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: here they are setting up people at some National Militia conference,

449
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Speaker 1: Uh so they can try to entrapt them and involve

450
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Speaker 1: them or whatever anti Trump plot that they have going.

451
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Speaker 1: So it's as we were talking about earlier, it's just

452
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Speaker 1: such a huge disparity that most Americans recognize that it

453
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Speaker 1: really is infuriating to them because so much damage was

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Speaker 1: done in versus January six and the treatment of innocent

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Speaker 1: Americans who are now you know, political dissent, political protests

456
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Speaker 1: is now criminalized, but only if it comes from someone

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Speaker 1: on the right. And we can now see Lisa, the

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Speaker 1: National Security State Intelligence Agency is certainly the SBI and

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Speaker 1: d o J turning the war on terror against Americans

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Speaker 1: on the political right, and that was sore of came

461
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Speaker 1: to a head. I think a lot of people perked

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Speaker 1: up and paid attention when the d o J released

463
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Speaker 1: that letter saying that they were going to get the

464
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Speaker 1: FBI to work with local law enforcement to make sure

465
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Speaker 1: parents weren't stepping out of line at meeting, which is very,

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Speaker 1: very scary and also just a continuation of really what

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Speaker 1: we've seen, and they're targeting of the Trump campaign in

468
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Speaker 1: the election, as well as turning the other way in

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Speaker 1: regard to Hillary Clinton and despite her aids lying to

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Speaker 1: the FBI there being no charges, but you saw the

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Speaker 1: way they try, you know, they went after Michael Flynn

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Speaker 1: and George Papadopoulos as well, um, you know, as well

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Speaker 1: as trying to label Carter Page, as you know, treason

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Speaker 1: is when in fact he was working with the CIA

475
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Speaker 1: rather than against our government. So unfortunately, this just seems

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Speaker 1: to be a long continuation of the FBI of what

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Speaker 1: we've seen over the past few years of really being

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Speaker 1: sort of politically targeted against the right for whatever reason.

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00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. This is just an extension of crossfire

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Speaker 1: hurricane started in the summer of six But now instead

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Speaker 1: of ambushing Trump or Carter Page or Mike Flynn, they're

482
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Speaker 1: ambushing veterans in their homes and dragging you know, former

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Speaker 1: lieutenant commanders of the Navy, disabled veterans out of their homes,

484
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Speaker 1: dragging them by their legs through the grass like they

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Speaker 1: did with Lieutenant Thomas Caldwell that I wrote about. Or

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Speaker 1: the woman I spoke with today who had her home

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Speaker 1: in Illinois rated her by ten FBI agents with their

488
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Speaker 1: guns drawn, standing over the bed of her teenage daughter

489
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Speaker 1: with a gun pointed at her, demanding that she turned

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Speaker 1: over her cell phone. This is a couple who was

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Speaker 1: charged with a misdemeanor offenses. But this is what our

492
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Speaker 1: FBI has been doing for nine months, a nationwide terror

493
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Speaker 1: campaign to criminalize, to silence, to send a message to

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Speaker 1: the rest of us if you step out of line

495
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Speaker 1: and you doubt anything outside of the regime, whether it's election,

496
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Speaker 1: whether it's critical race theory. Uh, whether it's masking or vaccines,

497
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Speaker 1: whatever it is, they're going to weaponize the most powerful

498
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Speaker 1: government agencies against you and no one will be a

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Speaker 1: mute from it. And so this is a very scary territory,

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Speaker 1: very scary time, dangerous territory. And it really would be nice, Lisa,

501
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Speaker 1: if we heard more from our Republican leadership to speak

502
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Speaker 1: out against against this instead of just kind of snarky

503
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Speaker 1: tweets or a brief lecture during a Senate hearing. They

504
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: really need to do more, because this is getting worse

505
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: instead of better. Yeah, Unfortunately, we have a lot of

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Speaker 1: cowards in political office, and they don't realize that if

507
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Speaker 1: they don't stand up to what is going on right now,

508
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Speaker 1: they will lose all opportunity to do so in the future.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what a lot of Americans don't seem

510
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Speaker 1: to understand right now, is that it's scary to speak up,

511
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Speaker 1: but if we don't speak up now, we lose that

512
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Speaker 1: ability completely likely in the years to come. So now

513
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Speaker 1: is the time to push back against some of this.

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Speaker 1: You know, usually there seems to be at least, you know,

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Speaker 1: fortunately some acknowledgement. We saw this from the U. S.

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Speaker 1: District Judge Race Lamberth of acknowledgement of the mistreatment of

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Speaker 1: these January six political prisoners. Before we get into that,

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Speaker 1: I want you to tell the audience about Christopher Warrell.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm pronouncing his name correctly. Uh, if you

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Speaker 1: don't mind, can you? Can you first and foremost tell

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Speaker 1: the audience about him, his story, what he has been

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Speaker 1: up against, And then I want to get into what

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Speaker 1: the U. S. District Judge Royce Lamberth recently said about

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Speaker 1: his case. Right, well, thanks for asking about Christopher Warrell.

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Speaker 1: Is an alleged proud boy, but he's in his fifties.

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Speaker 1: Is not like a young kid um. He was outside

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Speaker 1: the capital that day. He is charged with allegedly spraying

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Speaker 1: a police officer with pepper spray, although Lisa, like in

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Speaker 1: a lot of cases, the charging documents only show him

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Speaker 1: holding up a tiny pepper spray bottle and spraying it.

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Speaker 1: They don't ever show who actually was hit by the spray.

532
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Speaker 1: Could be nobody, could be just a random person. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: The FBI rated his home in Cape Coral, Florida in

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Speaker 1: March with a huge slat team ASBI artillery. You know,

535
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Speaker 1: woke up his whole neighborhood, took him out at gunpoints.

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Speaker 1: He has been charged with assaulting police officer, obstruction of

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Speaker 1: an official proceeding a few other offenses. But he's been

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Speaker 1: incarcerated since March. Was transferred from Florida to the Special

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Speaker 1: Jail in Washington, d C. That's been set aside only

540
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Speaker 1: for January six protesters, where he's been since April. While

541
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Speaker 1: Christopher Warrell suffers from not hotchkinslim fama. In May, he

542
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Speaker 1: also fell and broke his hand. I believe he broke

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Speaker 1: his wrist um. But he has not received adequate medical care.

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Speaker 1: And of course, as I reported, you and I've talked

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Speaker 1: about the inhumane conditions at this jail again, not for

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Speaker 1: people have been convicted of any crime. They haven't had

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Speaker 1: a minute of their trial. They're simply being held. They're

548
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Speaker 1: behind bars because their Capital protesters awaiting trial. So um,

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Speaker 1: his lawyer has petitioned the court several times. He needs

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Speaker 1: cancer treatments. You know, he needs surgery on his hand,

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Speaker 1: which a surgeon recommended back in June. He has not

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Speaker 1: received any of this. So Judge Royce Lamberth, who I

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Speaker 1: will say is no hero, because he has signed on

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Speaker 1: to detaining Chris Warrow, a non by I mean person

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Speaker 1: with no criminal violent criminal record. He's signed off on

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Speaker 1: keeping him in this jail even though he knows he

557
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Speaker 1: has cancer, but finally acquiesced to Chris Warrel's defense lawyer saying, look,

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Speaker 1: this guy needs treatment for his hand, for his cancer,

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Speaker 1: and so Judge Lamberth ordered the jail officials to turnover

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Speaker 1: records to US marshals related to his what care he needed.

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Speaker 1: The jail officials refused to do that, and they did

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Speaker 1: it at the last minute after Lamberth ordered a special hearing. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: without getting too much in the to the weeds, which

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Speaker 1: it probably already did. Uh. Judge Lambert how both the

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Speaker 1: d C jail warden and the director of the Department

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Speaker 1: of Correction to Washington d C and contempt of court,

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Speaker 1: and then directed the Justice Department to investigate potential civil

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Speaker 1: rights violations at that jail, not just for Christopher Warrell

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Speaker 1: but for everyone who's been held there. Um. So, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the d j will do there, but

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Speaker 1: I will say I don't think it's something Judge Lamberth

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Speaker 1: is going to give up on very easily. I think

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Speaker 1: it's something that he will keep pestering prosecutors and the

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Speaker 1: Justice Department to follow up on. So that gives the

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Speaker 1: detainees there a little bit of hope. But Chris Warrell

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Speaker 1: needs six months of intensive as they said in the

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Speaker 1: hearing last week, intensive chemotherapy and radiation. I understand he's

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Speaker 1: now at Stage three cancer patient. And so this government

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Speaker 1: is basically letting this man die in prison. I don't

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Speaker 1: even think as a trial date yet, die in prison

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Speaker 1: for the offense of going to the capital on January six.

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Speaker 1: And Judge Lamberth has said this, he said, it's clear

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Speaker 1: to me the civil rights of the defendant were violated

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Speaker 1: by the d C Department of Corrections. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's because he's a January defendant or not, to

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Speaker 1: at least raising that. And this is something you've been

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Speaker 1: writing about and reporting about, Julie, and its acknowledgement of

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Speaker 1: what you have said and what you've reported is true

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Speaker 1: about the treatment of these January six prisoners as they've

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Speaker 1: been ignored, as these stories have been ignored, as you've

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Speaker 1: been writing about this and people have ignored it of

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Speaker 1: the mistreatment. We have a now u S District judge

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Speaker 1: who you said has not even been favorable towards the

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Speaker 1: January six prisoners, but at least the acknowledgement that what

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Speaker 1: they have said about the mistreatment, what you have written

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Speaker 1: about is true about the way that some of these

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Speaker 1: individuals have been treated. Yes, and so that was it

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Speaker 1: was gratifying, not just not for me as a reporter,

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Speaker 1: but certainly for the men who are languishing in this

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Speaker 1: jail for months on end, as I said, for more

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Speaker 1: than a year, and certainly their family members who some

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Speaker 1: of whom I talk to regularly, who are just so

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Speaker 1: heartsick and frustrated. It's a legal system that refuses to

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Speaker 1: acknowledge what's happening in that jail. The judges who continue

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Speaker 1: over and over to sign off on continuancies, continuancy continuances

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Speaker 1: to these trials, uh, sixty days at a time, thirty

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Speaker 1: days at a time, because the Justice Department does not

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Speaker 1: have its act together in terms of evidence, still does

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Speaker 1: not have a digital platform up and running so defense

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Speaker 1: attorneys can look at all the evidence against their clients. Um.

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Speaker 1: And so here we are now in the middle of October,

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Speaker 1: more than nine months after the fact, and UH, they

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Speaker 1: keep pushing trial dates into the middle of next year.

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Speaker 1: Most of these people won't see trials till the end

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Speaker 1: of next year, possibly into three. What happened was, we

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Speaker 1: said they what the original prosecutor in charge of this

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Speaker 1: investigation called it a shock and awe campaign. What the

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Speaker 1: d o J did between what this man saw. Michael

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Speaker 1: Sherwin was the former U S Attorney Washington d C Office,

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Speaker 1: who now is handling that office, is now handling every

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Speaker 1: single case. What he said was the first hundred arrests

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Speaker 1: were shock and awe campaign to intimidate people out of

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Speaker 1: coming back to Washington on January twenty and protesting Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden's inauguration. Now think about that. You have a powerful

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Speaker 1: federal prosecutor who's telling a journalist and an interview bragging

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Speaker 1: about it, actually that the first hundred arrests weren't based

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Speaker 1: on evidence. They weren't based on trying to keep the

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Speaker 1: community safe or hunting down the most violent criminals on

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Speaker 1: January six, which they were what maybe ten. It was

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Speaker 1: what he called shock and awe to stop people from

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Speaker 1: what people do every four years, which is go to

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Speaker 1: their nation's capital and protest the inauguration of the guy

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Speaker 1: they didn't vote for. Uh, this has never been done before.

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Speaker 1: So it happened, Lisa is you had the FBI hunting

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Speaker 1: people down, arresting that, dragging that into court, dragging them

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Speaker 1: to jail before they even had enough evidence collected against them.

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Speaker 1: Now they're recognizing in a lot of these cases, and

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Speaker 1: you have some of the very earliest arrest sitting in

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Speaker 1: that DC jail where the government is looking saying, wow,

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Speaker 1: we charge these people with the destruction of an official proceeding,

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Speaker 1: We charge them with conspiracy, we charge them with assaulting

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Speaker 1: police officers right away because we wanted the big headlines

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Speaker 1: and we wanted the government do O J to show

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Speaker 1: off what they were going to do before Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: took office. Uh. And now they're turning around saying we

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Speaker 1: can't put a case together. But instead of dropping the

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Speaker 1: charges or doing whatever, they haven't dropped any major cases.

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Speaker 1: So you're just delaying it and delaying it hoping that

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Speaker 1: these people will get desperate and please um or you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they'll delay their trials so much,

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Speaker 1: but by that time it won't matter. Um. But I

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Speaker 1: do think in some cases backfiring because I think you're

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Speaker 1: seeing starting to see defendants whose lives have been ruined

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Speaker 1: and at this point start thinking I have nothing else

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Speaker 1: to lose. I'm not going to let the government destroy

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Speaker 1: what little I have left. Um. But that is the

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Speaker 1: sad case of what happened. And least I've heard this

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Speaker 1: from judges myself. Judges have said, this is not how

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Speaker 1: this goes. You don't arrest someone first and put the

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Speaker 1: case together later. But of course the judge then can

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Speaker 1: you give z O J whatever they want. So that's

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Speaker 1: the another really sad double standard that we are seen

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Speaker 1: play out for these people. Let's take a quick commercial

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Speaker 1: break more with Julie Kelly with American Greatness after the break,

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Speaker 1: and you had mentioned pushing these off until next year.

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Speaker 1: Is that political nature potentially to to push these before

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Speaker 1: the midterm elections? I definitely think so. I think they

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Speaker 1: want to create headlines and optics at the optimal time

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Speaker 1: next year. So, say for the oathkeeper's case or the

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Speaker 1: case of the one white supremacist Tim Hale, who was

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Speaker 1: charged with no violent crime. His case, his trial just

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Speaker 1: got roof from November to the end of May of

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Speaker 1: two um seven more months, and he's been in jail

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Speaker 1: since the middle of January. Um, so, I think they

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Speaker 1: definitely are hoping that the more high profile mar the

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Speaker 1: Key cases will go on trial next year and then

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Speaker 1: they can use that not just against Trump, because of

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Speaker 1: course he's not on the ballot, But what they really

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Speaker 1: want to do, Lisa, is use that against the so

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Speaker 1: called Sedition Caucus, a hundred or so Republican lawmakers who

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Speaker 1: are going to vote to uh, you know, for the

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Speaker 1: audit to delay certification that day, you know. Other I

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Speaker 1: think there are a few Republican senators who are up

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Speaker 1: for re election who are in on that too, So

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Speaker 1: that's really what they want to use because they know

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Speaker 1: their chances of holding the House and Senate next year

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Speaker 1: pretty slim. This is really the only political I think,

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Speaker 1: in their eyes, the only political capital or ammunition that

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Speaker 1: they have against Republicans next year. Well, I because essentially

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00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: everything has fallen apart since Joe Biden has taken off

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Speaker 1: as so they have absolutely nothing to run on and

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Speaker 1: they can't even get bills done on a party line

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Speaker 1: basis within their own caucus. That's what a disaster, uh

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Speaker 1: they are. And ever and everyone remembers me, if you

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Speaker 1: take yourself back to the election on Inauguration Day, there

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Speaker 1: are cars set on fire by protesters protesting the election

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. You had people like Nancy Pelosi tweeting

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Speaker 1: that the election was hijacked. So it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I don't remember any of those individuals being treated

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Speaker 1: this way. Well, and you had Maxine Waters out there.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't care who you see. If you

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Speaker 1: see them at a gas station, at a grocery store,

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Speaker 1: you get in their face, you can front them. Um.

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Speaker 1: You had Loretta Lynch, the former Attorney general, after Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump was elected, something along the line, will they'll be

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Speaker 1: blood running in the streets. I mean, you had Eric Holder,

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Speaker 1: all of these former Obama officials right after Trump was

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Speaker 1: was elected, before he was worn in, making all kinds

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Speaker 1: of threats how they were going to use their power

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Speaker 1: against the president and Republicans, and nothing ever happened, remember least,

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Speaker 1: so the resistance was was cool from seen until January one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you weren't in the resistance and doing

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Speaker 1: whatever you could to try to overthrow the presidency of

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, which of course included Robert Muller investigation, one impeachment.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was just one scandal after another that

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Speaker 1: they manufactured against him. To try to get him out

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Speaker 1: of office. That was okay, Um, But you know not

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the chosen Joe Biden and the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party, none of that is allowed. Its position. It's insurrection.

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Speaker 1: You are a trader, uh. You know all of the

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Speaker 1: names that have been thrown at people who questioned what

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Speaker 1: happened in Faily. So what's encouraging is that you have

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Speaker 1: not seen the numbers move on the Republican side as

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Speaker 1: far as voters who do not think that Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: was fairly elected in. If anything, at least, I think

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Speaker 1: how they're weaponizing January six, both in the investigation and

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Speaker 1: then on Capitol Hill with the Select Committee, I think

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Speaker 1: it raises people's suspicions even more. Why are they fighting

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Speaker 1: this so hard? Why are they using this to silence

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Speaker 1: political descent? What are they trying to hide and cover up?

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Speaker 1: And so you still have the overwhelming majority of Republicans

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Speaker 1: in every pool who say they don't think that Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden legitimately won the election in and that you could

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Speaker 1: see it's very frustrating to the Democrats. Um, and even

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Speaker 1: hearing this from the federal bench as they're sentencing people,

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Speaker 1: these judges are still mad. Whether there's so many people

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Speaker 1: who doubt would happened in and that's part of the

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Speaker 1: punishment that they're rendering to some of these defendants too. Well, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if everything was on the up and up,

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Speaker 1: why would there be just such complete and utter censorship

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Speaker 1: of any people, you know, raising contradictory opinions or even

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Speaker 1: the treatment of the individuals involved in January six certainly

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Speaker 1: raised as a whole host of questions about why they

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Speaker 1: would go to these links if there's nothing to see

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Speaker 1: or nothing to be concerned about. But what so is

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Speaker 1: that is there's just so many lives that have been

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Speaker 1: absolutely ruined, you know, regardless of the outcome of the cases,

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Speaker 1: their lives have been ruined. I mean, you've got people

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Speaker 1: like Thomas Calledwell, who is sixty six years old. He

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Speaker 1: was arrested by the FBI at five thirty a m.

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Speaker 1: At his Virginia farm, full swat team, armored vehicles with

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Speaker 1: a battering ram, people screaming at him, he says, he said,

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Speaker 1: people looking like stormtroopers pointing weapons at him, covering him

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Speaker 1: with rays with red laser dots. This individual said he

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Speaker 1: was interrogated for two hours and then realized that the

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Speaker 1: raid was eventually tied or that realized the raid that

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Speaker 1: it was tied to January six. He cooperated because he

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Speaker 1: didn't have anything to hide, so he didn't think that

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Speaker 1: there would be anything wrong with ultimately cooperating with this.

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Speaker 1: He had been He's been charged with six federal crimes

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Speaker 1: in relation to January six. He never entered to the

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Speaker 1: Capitol building, has no criminal record, has honorably served our

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Speaker 1: country for twenty years in the military. He's a former

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Speaker 1: lieutenant commander and the U. S. Navy UH and he

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Speaker 1: suffers from debilitating service related our service related spinal injuries.

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Speaker 1: He was denied medical care, spent fifty three days in jail,

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Speaker 1: forty nine and solitary confinement. I mean, it's just like Juliet,

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Speaker 1: you know, you've written about him, You've written about all

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Speaker 1: these individuals. It's just I mean, it's just sad. It's

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Speaker 1: just to be treated this way. I just it's it's

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Speaker 1: you know, how does this happen in America? Lisa the heart?

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Speaker 1: I mean again, this woman calling me today and tears,

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Speaker 1: you know, for just talking about what had happened to

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Speaker 1: her family for misdemeanor offenses. What this FBI is doing

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Speaker 1: And for anyone who says, oh, this FBI, it's just

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Speaker 1: the top, you know, it was just Jim Comey, it

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Speaker 1: was just Andrew McKay, that was just Peter Strock, and

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Speaker 1: now it's just Chris Ray And no it isn't. We

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Speaker 1: are talking about rank and file officers across this country

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Speaker 1: who are at think like it's a gestapo, who are

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Speaker 1: treating Americans who committed no crime like they are hardened criminals, math, murderers,

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Speaker 1: you name it. It It just enrages me. It turns my

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Speaker 1: stomach when I hear these stories. It in some instances

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Speaker 1: it makes me cry, which is hard to do because

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Speaker 1: but I can't help it because these people are completely defenseless.

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Speaker 1: This FBI and Justice Department knows exactly what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: They're twisted, Lisa. They have a blood lust and a

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Speaker 1: revenge inside of them for whatever reason to target veterans

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Speaker 1: like Thomas Calbell and his wife, who are the sweetest people.

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Speaker 1: You can't even imagine talking. They're so sweet and just

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Speaker 1: so naive. None of nothing like this should have happened

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Speaker 1: to them. You have veterans across the country who have

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Speaker 1: been treated like this. You know, small business own owners, farmers, truckers,

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Speaker 1: um who have had their doors banged down at five

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Speaker 1: thirty in the morning, their entire neighborhood awaken with full

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Speaker 1: horns swearing at them at these people to get out

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Speaker 1: of their house. Have been dragged out of their house

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Speaker 1: without even any clothes on. They refused to give warrants

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Speaker 1: to people and they've asked for them. Uh. They've just

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Speaker 1: taken their devices without showing that they have any court

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Speaker 1: ordered a reason to take anything out of their home. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They've destroyed personal property. Uh. In one case, in Thomas

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Speaker 1: Caldwell's case, he walked in he has restored I believe

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Speaker 1: it's a tie bird that his grandfather had, and he

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Speaker 1: looked at the One of the FBI agents has like

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Speaker 1: tried to tear one of the doors off of the

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Speaker 1: car and was leaning up against it. You know, this

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Speaker 1: refurbished car that he has his pride and joy. Uh

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Speaker 1: is scratching it all up. They're just doing it in

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Speaker 1: such a punitive way. And it's really important that Americans

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Speaker 1: realized what this FBI is all about. What they're doing

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Speaker 1: two people on a weekly based is and then what

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Speaker 1: these prosecutors are doing in court, what they're saying to

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Speaker 1: these judges about people. Uh, this just should not be

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Speaker 1: happening in America. And I don't know how it ends

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Speaker 1: or went when it ends, because, as you just said,

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Speaker 1: They're so crazy and um uh, they're so easily intimidated

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Speaker 1: and bullied that we really have no one speaking up

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Speaker 1: against us. And I just hope at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, a lot of these people do get their

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Speaker 1: day in court, they get redeemed, and hopefully they have

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Speaker 1: some justification to turn around it too the government for

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Speaker 1: what they've done to them. Well, I mean, we could

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Speaker 1: go through the whole show talking about some of these

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Speaker 1: cases of lives unjustly and being ruined. I mean Robert

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Speaker 1: Reader maryland Man, who was a FedEx driver is the

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Speaker 1: company fired him after he was rested. He didn't attack anyone,

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Speaker 1: he didn't vantalize any property. His son doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: go to school because he's being bullied. He was even

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Speaker 1: excommunicated from his church. More or less. That was his

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Speaker 1: support group of people that you know, they're they're they're

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Speaker 1: you know, their neighbors, their friends are turning the backs

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Speaker 1: against them. People who have had their businesses destroyed over this. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, without even getting their day in court. Their

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Speaker 1: their whole lives just completely appended and ruined, completely ruinedly.

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Speaker 1: So the case of Robert Rider was another one that

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Speaker 1: just stuck with me because he went by himself from Maryland,

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Speaker 1: and like you said, he liked so many or charge

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Speaker 1: was the same for a misdemeanors just early conduct, trustcasting,

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Speaker 1: parading and picketing in the Capitol building, which I don't

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Speaker 1: know these I thought until January six was like sort

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Speaker 1: of our right, you know that you could go to

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Speaker 1: a government building and you could pick it the people

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Speaker 1: who are there, Like I feel like that's a constitutional right.

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Speaker 1: But now it's a crime. So this man committed no

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Speaker 1: violent act, pleaded guilty to parading and picketing. Uh. In

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Speaker 1: his cheerful testimony before the courts, before this judge sentenced

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Speaker 1: him to three months in jail for parading a misdemeatory

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Speaker 1: is no criminal record. He begged for mercy, explaining how

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Speaker 1: his life has been destroyed and as you said, his son.

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Speaker 1: He has a teenage son who doesn't want to go

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Speaker 1: to school anymore. He's fully relentlessly because he has his

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Speaker 1: father's name. His other relatives have have alienated him. His

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Speaker 1: neighbors have turned their back on him, his friends have

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Speaker 1: abandoned him. His own church went to him and said

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Speaker 1: asked him to stop going because he was a distraction.

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Speaker 1: And he started crying, saying, you know, that's tough because

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Speaker 1: that was like my one support group where I could

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Speaker 1: go and get help. He was fired by thought acts.

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Speaker 1: He said to the judge, I cannot find another job.

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Speaker 1: All anyone has to do is google my name. He said,

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Speaker 1: I'm radioactive. I have nothing. And instead of having sympathy

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Speaker 1: for this man, Judge Holden, an eighty three year old

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Speaker 1: Reagan appointee, had no sympathy for this man, sentenced him

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Speaker 1: to three months in prison on top of everything else

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Speaker 1: that he's gone through for doing nothing but protesting Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden's election for a few hours on January six. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know how a man like that puts his

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Speaker 1: life back together. I really don't, Lisa. I mean, at

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Speaker 1: this point, all you can do is pray for a

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Speaker 1: man like that, and like I do, sometimes pray for

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Speaker 1: these people to get what they have coming to them,

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Speaker 1: The people who are doing this to these innocent Americans, well,

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Speaker 1: and there are countless examples of people protesting at Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 1: within Capitol Hill of other state capitals as well. I

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Speaker 1: mean you could even go back. We discussed this earlier

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Speaker 1: of Kavanaugh. They're they're over harder and twenty people arrested

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Speaker 1: on you know, one day alone in the Capitol. Uh.

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Speaker 1: None of these individuals that we that to my knowledge,

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Speaker 1: have been treated the way that these January was involved

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Speaker 1: in January six have been treated. So you know, it's

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Speaker 1: just uh, you know, it's it's just you know, Juliante,

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Speaker 1: do you feel so passionately about this, but it's just

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Speaker 1: absolutely disturbing, and Julie, I want to get to So

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Speaker 1: the House like committee investigating uh what happened on January

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Speaker 1: six is likely going to have a hold Steve Bannon

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Speaker 1: and contempt of Congress. We're doing this interview on Monday,

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Speaker 1: October eighteenth. This interview will come out on Wednesday morning,

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Speaker 1: So by the time that happens, he's likely going to

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Speaker 1: be held in contempt of Congress. Uh, you know, where

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00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: where do you think that committee's investigation goes? What do

893
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: people need to know about it to date? So and

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00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: this will be interesting. I'm actually kind of laughing trying

895
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Speaker 1: to think of how Steve Bennon is going to handle this, um,

896
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Speaker 1: because it'll be sort of entertaining. Um. So what's happening

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00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: with that committee is that's really the political end of

898
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Speaker 1: what's the opposite of what's happening in the DJ investigation.

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Speaker 1: So what they want to do, I think eventually is

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Speaker 1: trying to get to Donald Trump's himself. You saw that

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00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: kind of floated over the weekend. UM. I think there's

902
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: also some rumors about targeting and not targeting, but trying

903
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: to get my pense to testify. Um. They've obviously now

904
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Speaker 1: subpoena Jeffrey Clark, who was the acting Associate Assistant Attorney

905
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Speaker 1: General some title like that, who actually was the one

906
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Speaker 1: person in Adjustice Department who recognizes that, yes, there was

907
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: legitimate election fraud happening in key swing states that could

908
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: have ringed the outcome of the election in those states.

909
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: So they're now targeting him. But what they're trying to

910
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: do is say that executive privilege would not apply in

911
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: these cases. They need to talk about discussions they had

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00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: with the president, any documents UH related and emails, communications,

913
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Speaker 1: et cetera. But LESA what are they looking for? Trump speech,

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Speaker 1: the rally at the ELYPSID. It was perfectly legal, it

915
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: had been permitted. Um. There was nothing that farious that

916
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: was happening here. I mean, it was publicized all over

917
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Speaker 1: the place. So they're not only going after people like Dannon,

918
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Speaker 1: who I don't even know what his relationship would beat

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00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: what happened on January six, but certainly as you know

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Speaker 1: Mark Meadows, Dan Skinino, his former communications director Cash Pittel,

921
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Speaker 1: who held some high level positions in the last few

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Speaker 1: months of the Trump administration, and of course with the

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Speaker 1: investigator for seven Newness this committee, who was really the

924
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: guy to bust up what happened. Fusion GPS is funding

925
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Speaker 1: of Steel dot sier So have been targeting cash for

926
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Speaker 1: for years and they subpoen at him as well. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this ends up going to Trump, um,

928
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: but they are This is just the other side of

929
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Speaker 1: trying to criminalize UH political rallies, political descents. They we're

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Speaker 1: going after the organizer of the Women for America first,

931
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Speaker 1: Amy Kremer and her her daughter, who really planned and

932
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Speaker 1: executed that rally before Trump's speech. So I don't really

933
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Speaker 1: know what for. I don't know what they're trying to find,

934
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Speaker 1: because there was nothing unlawful about, especially what happened before

935
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Speaker 1: the events at the Capitol on January six. It's just

936
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Speaker 1: to help destroy their life, force them to spend a

937
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: lot of money on lawyers, um throw their name in

938
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Speaker 1: the media, so to be dragged through the mud. That's

939
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: really what the point is. Well. And also, you know,

940
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Speaker 1: we already pointed out earlier on in the show that

941
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Speaker 1: the FBI has found no organized plot to overturn the

942
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: presidential election or or or organized behind January six. So

943
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Speaker 1: it's sort of renders what this Congressional Committee is doing meaningless, uh,

944
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Speaker 1: outside of what you just pointed out to to ruin

945
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Speaker 1: lives and to send a message that how dare anyone

946
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Speaker 1: support President Trump or else or support anything that is

947
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: against what the system and what the left ones or

948
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: believes is essentially the message here. Um, But you know,

949
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: screw them. So am I? Am I missing anything else? Do?

950
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: I want to make sure you know you're so good

951
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: at covering this in depth? They just want to make

952
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: sure that we're bringing everything to the audience to date

953
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: that they need to know. Am I missing anything anything else?

954
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: People should be aware of? Well, I'm so grateful for

955
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Speaker 1: all the time that you've given me today to explain this,

956
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: because it's sort of hard to do it in quick

957
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Speaker 1: hit interviews. Though I'm so grateful for the time to

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Speaker 1: tell there's these table stories. But I do say I

959
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: will say over arching, the main I think goal of this,

960
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: not just to destroy Trump and everyone around him, is

961
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Speaker 1: to stop any efforts to reform election laws. They want

962
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Speaker 1: to tie any efforts at the state level in these

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00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: states where a lot of the election laws were violated,

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Speaker 1: or even states where it wasn't stay in Texas. They

965
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Speaker 1: want to use this to stop any reforms uh to

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Speaker 1: election laws to prevent what happened in to prevent it

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Speaker 1: from happening again. And so I think that this is

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Speaker 1: sort of their way of intimidating state legislatures or governors that, oh,

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00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: if you want to reform election law, then you're just

970
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: like an instructionist. Do you think that the election was

971
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: stolen and was rigged? So I think that is a

972
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: greater political agenda. But you also see that that's not

973
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Speaker 1: working either, because some of these states are continuing to

974
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Speaker 1: move forward with needed election laws, heightening up um election rules,

975
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Speaker 1: especially related to f and t email in ballots, harvesting, etcetera. Um,

976
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Speaker 1: that's going to make it a lot proper for Democrats

977
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Speaker 1: to try to get away with two or twenty four

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Speaker 1: what they got away within and probably really in two.

979
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Speaker 1: So that is a much bigger battle I think for

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Speaker 1: all of us. Yeah, I think Americans are at least

981
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: the right there. There are a lot of people are

982
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: just fed up of all of this, and you know

983
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: they're ready to take their country back. Julie Kelly, such

984
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Speaker 1: great work with American Greatness. Have so much respect for

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Speaker 1: for what you're doing, your work and your voice. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for staying on top of this and just being

987
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,959
Speaker 1: so fearless and your fight for these folks. Lisa, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for having me on out a second

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Speaker 1: time and for bringing this story to your to your

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Speaker 1: listeners and to your viewers. I really appreciate it, and

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Speaker 1: I know that people involved you too, so thank you

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Speaker 1: on their behalf. Oh and before I let you go,

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Speaker 1: where can everyone find your work? If if they're not familiar,

994
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Speaker 1: which they should be, but if they're not, where can

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Speaker 1: they find your work? So? All my articles are posted

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Speaker 1: at American Greatness and greatness dot com and I'm on

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Speaker 1: Twitter a lot. Is you know Lisa at Julie underscore

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Speaker 1: Kelly to the number two. Awesome. Thanks so much, Julie.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Lisa, thank you so much. I want

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Speaker 1: to thank Julie Kelly again for such a great interview,

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Speaker 1: and I want to thank her for following this story.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine just the pushback, the negative attention she

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Speaker 1: has gotten, the criticism that she has probably been on

1004
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Speaker 1: the receiving end, but she has not relented and she

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Speaker 1: has been brave and fearless and following the story. So

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Speaker 1: I want to thank her, and I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you guys at home for listening to the show. If

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Speaker 1: you enjoy today's show, please leave us a review and

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Speaker 1: doing it. Please continue to do so. You can also

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Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram and at least

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Speaker 1: researcher and writer Aaron Kleigman, and our executive producers Debbie

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