1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Ye, 2 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: welcome to the show Ridiculous Historians. As always, thank you 3 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. This is you know, I've 4 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: said this before, but but this this is a really 5 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: really weird one. It's a story that maybe I'm familiar 6 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: to a lot of people. Uh, unless, of course, you're 7 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: a fan of side shows. I don't do people still 8 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: go to side shows. I mean, it's certainly not particularly 9 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: politically correct anymore. You're Ben still though, right, not a 10 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: proprietor of a side show. Yeah, and you're knowl I am. 11 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the closest thing we've got today 12 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: would be like a Ripley's Believe it or Not situation 13 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: where maybe I don't know, maybe there's some some things 14 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: in there that could be classified as that, but they're 15 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: not human beings, their dioramas or recreations or you know, 16 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: just a historical kind of exhibit. But yeah, man, uh 17 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: sideshows uh problematic and fascinating things. Yes, yes, to say 18 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: the least, I was also captivated by Ripley's Believe It 19 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: or Not. I think for people in our generation that 20 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: that was probably to your point, the closest that a 21 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: lot of us came to side shows. Uh. We have to, 22 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: as always ask our super producer Casey Pegram before we 23 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: begin today's show. Casey, I know you're coming in blind 24 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: with this one. Uh, what's your take on sideshows? I'm 25 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: just thinking about sideshow Bob from the Simpsons. That was 26 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,559 Speaker 1: one association that popped up immediately. But yeah, I'm pretty 27 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: much where you guys are, like Ripley's believe it or not, 28 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: at the wax Museum, things you do at Destin Beach 29 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: on vacation, those are kind of the vibes I'm getting. 30 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: So never's like a genuine side show, probably for the 31 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: best m m. Yeah, usually somewhere near the airbrush t 32 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: shirt stand where you can get like a dolphin jumping 33 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: over a sunset that's right, a shell uh that is 34 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: painted in some bizarre color. I I like the beach life, 35 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: like the boardwalk snacks. Today we are talking about something 36 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: that happened on boardwalks, early boardwalk side shows today. In 37 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: as we know, side shows often have this terrible historical 38 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: reputation because there would be people who had some sort 39 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: of disability, right or some sort of visually striking difference 40 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: about themselves. That's right, And I mean, you know, it's 41 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: complicated because oftentimes, while those folks were reviled and ridicule 42 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: as part of those it was a society that would 43 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: have shunned them to such a degree they probably wouldn't 44 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: have been able to find gainful employment in any other way. 45 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: So it's a bit of a mixed bag. Will While 46 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: it was definitely you know, uh, it makes me think 47 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: of why people had a real problem with that movie 48 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: The Greatest Showman, because it really romanticized that whole world. 49 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: But then there's a very empowered musical number where all 50 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: the sideshow oddity individuals kind of banded together and talk 51 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: about how they're beautiful on the inside and stuff. But 52 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: that movie kind of divided people. I quite enjoy the music, though, 53 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying though, like this is 54 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: definitely you know, they were getting paid probably a pittance, 55 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, but they were fed, and they were allowed 56 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: to kind of live within a society or a mini 57 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: society that would at least kind of accept them as peers. 58 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: And often there were you know, kind of famous ones 59 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,839 Speaker 1: in terms of individuals, like you know, you think about 60 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: the lobster Boy and all of that stuff. But you 61 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: have sort of categories of sideshow oddity, things like pin heads, 62 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 1: which would have been, you know, a pretty crass way 63 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: of referring to somebody with a developmental condition that caused 64 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: problems with the shape of their skull, et cetera. And 65 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: they kind of had like a point to skull that's 66 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: exactly right. It's exactly right then, And bearded ladies and 67 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: things like that, the tattooed man. You know, people that's 68 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: had any kind of any number of outward um conditions 69 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: that could have been looked at as you know, they're 70 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: some kind of mutation or some sort of superpower in 71 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: a weird way, but not in a positive way. I 72 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm I'm kind of I feel like 73 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time talking about it and trying 74 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: to stay relatively PC because it is such a difficult 75 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: thing to discuss. Yeah, for a lot of people. Uh, 76 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: the idea of the sideshow instantly conjures images. I know 77 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: you were probably thinking of this two casey of the 78 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: ninety two film Freaks, Uh, and Freaks did feature people 79 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: who had worked side show performers in real life. Uh, 80 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: like the microcephalic Schlitzy who was billed as the last 81 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: of the Aztecs. And to your point, well, there would 82 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: be things like conjoined twins. Uh, there would be things like, 83 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: as you said, someone with differently shaped hands, someone who 84 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: had three legs. But then there would also be people 85 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: who are capable of extraordinary feats like how many how 86 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: many people were roaming through the Midwest claiming to be 87 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: the world's strongest man, were the largest largest person. When 88 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: we think of this, and I think it did a 89 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: tremendous job explaining some of the problematic aspects of this. 90 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: But when we think of side shows today, we're you know, 91 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: we we have the benefit of retrospect, and we also 92 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: think in terms of those categories like the tattooed lady, 93 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: the illustrated man, and so on. But today we'd like 94 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: to introduce you to a new type of sideshow exhibit 95 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: that might surprise you. It turned out, for a time 96 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: in the beginning of the twentieth century, babies became stars 97 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: of side shows for a very weird reason. But not 98 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: just any baby. These were specifically babies that were born 99 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: um early before the full term of the pregnancy had 100 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: come to a conclusion, and they're referred to collectively as 101 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: premature babies. And you know, folks out there in podcast 102 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: land may have siblings that are premature that we're born prematurely. Um, 103 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: there are many reasons this can happen. UM. Some absolutely 104 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: just completely a fluke. You never you can't really predict 105 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: what it's going to happen. UM. There are obviously more 106 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: kind of negative and nasty reasons this can happen, things 107 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: like drug addiction and the mother. Um. But a lot 108 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: of times, oftentimes when babies are born prematurely has nothing 109 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 1: to do with any uh negative actions of the mother. 110 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: And it's also more than possible for that baby, they're 111 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: moren small to have a completely normal life and become 112 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: completely healthy. And that is because of some medical technology, 113 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: specifically something called an incubator. Yes, one of the main 114 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: characters of our story today is a doctor, Martin A Cooney. 115 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: He knew about incubators. He knew that incubators could play 116 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: a powerful role in ensuring the health of premature babies. 117 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: But he also knew that the quote unquote system, you know, 118 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: the medical establishment and stuff, didn't have much interest in 119 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: pushing this new technology forward because the incubator was a 120 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: very new idea at the time. There wasn't a lot 121 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: of money being put into research for this literally life 122 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: saving technology. So he decided that he would hit the 123 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: streets himself, and he built a traveling exhibit that showed 124 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: audience members premature babies living in incubators. For a lot 125 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: of us, this sounds like a maternity ward, right, Hey, 126 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: pre covid, I could go to a hospital and if 127 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm not too creepy, they'll let me walk by that area. 128 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: They sure will. Um not not so much these days. 129 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: But Cooney's fascination with incubators, you know, came, didn't just 130 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: come like us an overnight thing. Wasn't like the hot 131 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: new medical device on the street. Um. He studied in 132 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: Paris under a very well respected researcher and um and 133 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: physician named Pierre Boudin, who was confused as to why, 134 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, these devices hadn't been adopted more widely. So 135 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: he actually displayed some incubators in the Berlin World's Fair 136 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: in eighteen nineties six. And this was really kind of 137 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: at the the onset of of the idea of a fair. 138 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't really what we think of today is you know, 139 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: it's sort of devolved into just more of a you know, 140 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: a place where you can write a cheap roller coaster. 141 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: It sort of travels from town to town. Um, there 142 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: might be some games that you're gonna lose your money 143 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: off of, but at the time they were really considered 144 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: these kind of like almost like what we have today 145 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: with stuff like ce S, which is, you know, the 146 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: massive electronics convention where new technology is unveiled in all 147 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: of the different organizations and companies that make technology show 148 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: up and show their wares all at the same time 149 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: in in Vegas. You've been to one of those, haven't you, Casey. 150 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: We've been to several, ben and I yeah to you, 151 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: to cover um, automotive stuff, um, some just kind of 152 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: general technology. It's uh, multiple convention centers, massive footprint, tens 153 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: of thousands of booths. I think, um, yeah, it's quite something. 154 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: We Uh my favorite memory of CS probably is is 155 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: the weird night A group of us and the crew 156 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: got together and one of us, friend of the show 157 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: Stillan Fagan, had never gambled before, and I think Ramsey 158 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: was the same, and so so we set off to 159 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: try to try to have a Vegas experience it was 160 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: a ridiculous story for another day. But you're right, these 161 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: things world fairs CS, stuff like the the expos, like 162 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: the Pan American Exposition. These were prominent, high level of fairs, 163 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like people would go to 164 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: these things to see the latest innovations. I think your 165 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: comparison about CS is spot on Nolan's. It was much 166 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: These were much more like a big up and coming 167 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: technology kind of conventioned and they were what you would 168 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: consider a side show today. And that's where these child 169 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: hatcheries came in. That's what they were called. You would 170 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: as an audience member, you would pay a dime and 171 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: you can see pictures of this, especially there's some great 172 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: ones on an article from Atlas Obscura. You would pay 173 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: a time and you would walk around and observe these 174 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: babies living, happy and hopefully healthy in these incubators. They're 175 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: much larger, by the way, than the incubators were familiar 176 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: with today. And we have to establish at the beginning 177 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: of this story the children were not harmed by being 178 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: in the incubators. They were they were on display, so 179 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: there's you know, a wound to their dignity perhaps, but 180 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: they were able to receive medical care that they otherwise 181 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: probably would not have received. And this this is an 182 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: idea that went through several iterations before our friend Cooney 183 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: had brought the Act to the United States. So let's 184 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: maybe just let's stay with the incubators just a little bit, 185 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: and let's describe them. So his baby had child hatchery, 186 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: or infantorium as it was called. UH. Each incubator in 187 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: there was about one and a half meters high. They 188 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: had steel walls, they had a framework a glass front 189 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: so you could observe the children. And they used water 190 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: boilers to feed warm water into pipes running underneath the 191 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: babies UH, and thermostats to maintain and regulate temperatures. What 192 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: we're saying is that the baby's overall, we're safe in 193 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: these things. That's that's key to this story. Well, I 194 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: mean they were more than safe, right. They really desperately 195 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: needed this, and that's because premature babies have a they're 196 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: they're incapable of regulating their own body temperatures. And before 197 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: incubators were a thing, I've I've read, you know, in 198 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: researching this and watching I watched a really interesting PBS 199 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was called but it was Justtally, 200 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: a woman who antique road show style, was presented with 201 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: this like silver cup from an event at the at 202 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: the Chicago World's Fair. Um, and it was connected to 203 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: one of these baby display kind of situations, and one 204 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: of the doctors they interviewed just talking about how um 205 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: and before there were incubators, doctors didn't know what to 206 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: do and they didn't have much control, so they would 207 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: do things like put the babies in shoe boxes and 208 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: stick them next to a radiator, which sounds really unsafe. 209 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, these things were revolutionary. Yeah yeah. And sadly, 210 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: before the rise of incubators, there would be people who 211 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: would say things like, well, the child has to do 212 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: its best to survive, you know, and that's a terrible 213 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: thing for you to hear as a parrot. And that's 214 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: where our story leads us to Coney Island. Around the 215 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: turn of the century. If you headed to Coney Island, 216 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: you would see, you know, all the usual Coney Island diversions, 217 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: although I do believe this was before Nathan's famous hot 218 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: dog eating contest, which is one of my favorite things. 219 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: You could go to a newly opened amusement park called 220 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: Luna Park, but you might also run into a permanent 221 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: inventorI um, a permanent exhibit of premature babies in these incubators, 222 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: and Cooney was doing this because he needed the funds 223 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: from these audience members. The technology of incubators for humans 224 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: was laughed at, a roundly dismissed by physicians, even though, 225 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: as you said, no it it had a past before, 226 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: like people knew the thing would work. It's just it's 227 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: sad when you think that for the first five decades 228 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: of the existence of this incubator, it was functioning mostly 229 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: as a novelty item. That's right. I mean, you know, 230 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: we think of incubators in terms of like hatching eggs, 231 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, from chicken embryos, let's say, and that's really cool, 232 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: but not always necessary. It's sort of a little more 233 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: of like a parlor trick, a scientific parlor trick. It's 234 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: not something you know, when you think of like farmed 235 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: eggs or even mass produced chicken eggs, it's not something 236 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: that would be employed in that respect. So that's that's 237 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: an interesting way of putting it bad. Although I can't 238 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: help but think of the scene from Jurassic Park with 239 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: the incubator and the baby velociraptor that he pulls out, 240 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: it's all covered in like bloody slime. Uh, and then 241 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: kind of makes that let all kind of And that's 242 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: how you know those buggers are evil because the baby 243 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: is evil. Grown ups are definitely gonna be evil. Uh. Yeah, 244 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: you're right, But what what isn't cute when it's in 245 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: that juvenile stage? I am clearly biased. I'm a Jurassic 246 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: Park fan. Uh. There's even a holiday called July six 247 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: Park by one of my favorite sketch groups, Chris and Jack. 248 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: So do celebrate it when you get a chance. Your 249 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: Your point about incubators is absolutely true. It wasn't until 250 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: the eighteen eighties when Stefantagnier, French obstetrician, saw these things 251 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: being used at a zoo and said, hey, if it 252 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: works on baby chickens, maybe it works on baby humans. 253 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: And part of the reason the medical establishment did not 254 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: immediately jump on the baby train here is that they 255 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: had a long history of prejudice toward premature babies. It 256 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: was expensive to care for them, and honestly, as horrible 257 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: as this sounds, a lot of people thought it was 258 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: pointless because babies born below a certain threshold of birth 259 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: weight had high mortality. And then physicians also thought this 260 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: invention that came from watching chickens in a zoo was 261 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: unscientific and they didn't believe that it could actually save 262 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: people's lives. And that's where the guy you mentioned earlier, Pierre, 263 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: comes in, and he says, why aren't more hospitals investing 264 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: in this? We can save people. So he started researching 265 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: the technology. He kept running into roadblocks for funding, and 266 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: that's why in like you said, he wanted to display 267 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: these incubators at the World's Fair. That's absolutely correct. The 268 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: World's Fair. Um, you know, you'll recall when you're making 269 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: that CS comparison and sort of the whole like modern 270 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: day con and like you know, whether it's unveiling the 271 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: newest uh uh you know, smart home technology or what 272 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: have you. Back in these days, the technology that was 273 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: being unveiled was like life changing. Really well, I mean 274 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: not to say that technology today isn't important if there 275 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: are there aren't occasionally things that are unveiled these kind 276 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: of uh conferences that do change people's lives, but not 277 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: the same as like the dishwasher or like the color television. 278 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: You know, things that like haven't really been replaced, They've 279 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: maybe been improved upon, They've maybe been given internet connectivity. 280 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: Or you have like a camera inside your fridge that 281 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: you can look up on your smartphone in cause you 282 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: can see how much cott is cheese you have left 283 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: when you're at the grocery store. But uh, it's the 284 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: game changing technology in the way that we would see 285 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: in these industrial just post industrial revolution fairs. Isn't quite 286 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: the same today. And you guys completely only I'm full 287 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: of crap if if you think I'm missing the mark 288 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: on that. But um, the ones that we that really 289 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: lead the charge were European. So Cooney realizes these exhibits 290 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 1: can save babies lives and they and he realizes the 291 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: public will pay to see this futuristic technology. Eventually, he 292 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: and Boudin realized that these exhibits are successful enough to 293 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: make a potential life saver for these children. Coney was 294 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: interested personally in this because he himself was the father 295 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: of a child born prematurely as daughter, and he reasoned, 296 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: if hospitals don't care for these prematurely born children, then 297 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: we can crowdsources. He didn't use the word crowdsource, but 298 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: that's essentially what he did in Buffalo, New York in 299 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: nine one. He built this huge building just for the 300 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: baby Incubator exhibit. He got tons of press, which turned 301 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: out to be even more important than getting a lot 302 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: of people in the crowd. And that's how starting in 303 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: nineteen o three you could see the permanent Coney Island 304 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: Baby Incubator exhibition. One was at Luna Park and another 305 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: one was also in Coney Island at dream Land, so 306 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: nurses would tend to the babies the public would look 307 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: on in amazement. And the weird thing is this is 308 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: still kind of like a sideshow, so there is still 309 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: a carnival barker here. And I wonder what they're saying, 310 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: like America left technology, the baby is born premature, through 311 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: the wonders of our age, will be able to live. 312 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: It's so, yeah, they had a pitch. I'm sure they 313 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: were about but it's also like, I don't know. The 314 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: thing about it is like premature babies are cute because 315 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: they're so bloody small and their eyes are closed. They 316 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: look like little rabbits or little puppies you know, that 317 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: are born when their eyes aren't even open yet, and 318 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: and they're real skinny, and so like they're on the 319 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: one hand, they're they're adorable, babies are cute and everything, 320 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: but they're also you know, they're not the most healthy looking. 321 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: They're a little like you're you're worried about them. There's 322 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: a sense of of of oh, no, is this baby 323 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: gonna be okay? And uh, I wonder it seems like 324 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: there was a capitalization on all of those things because 325 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, like the pitch likely did not center 326 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: specifically on the amazing life saving technology that is that 327 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: is just my uh my, the sense that I get 328 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: what do you what do you think? Then yeah, he 329 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: definitely so there were definitely theatrical elements to this, right 330 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: that people are going to see. We know that. According 331 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: to a book by Dawn Raffle, The Strange Case of 332 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: Dr Cooney, How a mysterious European showman Saved thousands of 333 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: American babies, Cooney knew the score, you know what I mean, 334 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: Like he dressed infants on purpose and two large clothing. 335 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: Uh he would he would have nurses slip of finger 336 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: ringing around the entire risk of a premiature child because 337 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: this was visually appealing, right, and it's It's like people 338 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: were watching it for the fascination and a little bit, 339 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of danger, a little bit of anxiety. 340 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: Will these children make it? Uh? You know one thing 341 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 1: I forgot to mention at the beginning of this, he 342 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: used the phrase Premis. In nineteen thirty nine, when he 343 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: was looking back and talking about this experience, he said, 344 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: all my life, I've been making propaganda for the proper 345 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: care of Premise, who in other times were allowed to die. 346 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: And that's why I said, everything that he did was 347 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: strictly ethical. Kind of a ends justify the means reasoning 348 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: if you think about it. And here's the thing. This 349 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: Coney Island inventorium stuff huge success, huge success. Uh. He 350 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: would charge a couple of cents to get in, and 351 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: then again from that PBS a little short that I saw, 352 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: he was apparently raking in about fift hundred dollars a day. Um. 353 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: But here's the thing, you know, I think a big 354 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: part of the success of it, in terms of like 355 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: the viewers, wasn't necessarily it was a pleasant thing. It 356 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: wasn't like a freak show. It wasn't like, look at 357 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: that weird looking baby. It was because in their incubators. 358 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: They looked safe, and they looked cuddly and kind of like, 359 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, nothing could harm them, and that's sort of comforting, 360 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: especially when you see something vulnerable that's being cared for. Uh. 361 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: That that's just a theory, but I think that that 362 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: likely has something to do with the success because he 363 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: was making that kind of money every day and this 364 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: was a permanent installation at Coney Islands Luna Park um 365 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: and he while he charged people to see it, he 366 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: didn't charge the parents of the babies to put them 367 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: in there. So what does that mean? This is a 368 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: very complicated individual. Like on the one hand, he's doing 369 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: this thing that on the surface could seem kind of 370 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: exploitive of of of these uh you know, unfortunate uh 371 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: infants that that are having difficulty, But he's also literally 372 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: the reason that they're like gonna be okay. And he's 373 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: not charging the parents anything because medical to the medical 374 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: community hasn't fully embraced this technology yet. So without him 375 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: and this side show, he likely that these a lot 376 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: of these babies likely wouldness survived. Yeah, it's true. They 377 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: have made a lot of money and it went to 378 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: the children. We know that in nineteen O three. It 379 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: costs fifteen dollars a day to care for each individual baby. 380 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: That's around four hundred and five dollars a day in 381 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: these are modern times, and he Cooney was able to 382 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: cover all the cost through the entrance fees alone. But 383 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: because he was operating in a side show setting rather 384 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: than the maternity ward of a hospital, people viewed him 385 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: with suspicion and some folks outright hated this guy. Folks 386 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: like the New York Society for the Prevention of Cruelty 387 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: to Children. They accused him multiple times of exploiting the babies, 388 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: endangering their lives, putting them on display. But none of 389 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: these complaints really hurt the endeavor, and by the nineteen 390 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: thirties people were coming around and they were saying, you know, 391 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: this guy is a medical pioneer. That's right, he's onto something. 392 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: Um it is. I don't have the direct quote in 393 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: front of me, but one of those uh prevention, you know, 394 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: Cruelty to children organizations said something like, how dare you, sir, 395 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: take a vulnerable small child and put them in the 396 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: tawdry chaos of the midway, you know, like something along 397 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: those lines. Like it was like he was he was 398 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: being a bad influence, like these babies, we're gonna accidentally 399 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: get drunk or something or catch a whiff of cigarettes smoke, 400 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: right exactly. And so if you happen to see the 401 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: World's Fair in Chicago in nineteen thirty three and thirty 402 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: four lasted more than years, like eighteen months, it would 403 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: be tough to miss Cooney's. You would see this huge 404 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: sign that says like living babies and incubators Ethically, Apparently, 405 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: it was quite a massive sign, and I've seen them 406 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: categorized as being the Simithsonian article that we looked at 407 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: as the letters being so large they could be read 408 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: from across the entire uh fair ground, which was massive. 409 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: This was the Chicago World's Fair. This was like the 410 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: America's big Like this is us. We are at the 411 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: pinnacle of technological discovery of you know, pushing the narrative forward. 412 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: And this was no exception. So you'd think something like 413 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: the Incubator, with all the amazing things we said about it, 414 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: all the amazing research, um would be like in the 415 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: main hall next to the automobile you know or whatever. 416 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: But that wasn't the case because it really continued the 417 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: same tradition as his previous iteration of this as kind 418 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: of like on the midway right, which they definitely had 419 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: a the World's Fair. In fact, this booth was right 420 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: next to one featuring the famous scandalous Sally Rand, who 421 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: was known it was a burlesque dancer known for her 422 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: ostrich feather fan dance and also balloon bubble dance. And 423 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: um really like got arrested multiple times, charged with like 424 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: all kinds of levels of indecency, and they had her 425 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: right next to the premature baby exhibit at the Chicago 426 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: World's Fair, exactly. Yeah. And these incubators, of course, if 427 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: we're talking turkey here, Uh, they were not inexpensive as 428 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: you might imagine. Uh. The exhibit itself was I think 429 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: the entire cost of it was seventy dollars back then, 430 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: which is around one point four million dollars today. Uh. 431 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: And and the price went up to over time as 432 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: as it became more respected in the public and the zeitgeist. 433 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: I believe by the time it was in cargo, the 434 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: audience members paid cents to see the exhibit, and they 435 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: flocked there by the hundreds of thousands. Eventually, this leads 436 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: to Cooney having a homecoming celebration on July four, And 437 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: this is kind of I rarely say this word, but 438 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: this is kind of cute. It was for the babies 439 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: who had graduated from the incubators at the Chicago World's 440 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: Fair that past summer. And this was broadcast live on 441 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: local radio and across the fair grounds, so people were 442 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: able to see the results of this incubation technology at work. 443 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: And you gotta think how amazing it is. It's got 444 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: to be a warm, fuzzy feeling if you saw these 445 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: exhibits earlier and then you hear this story and you think, 446 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, I, in some way, whether through a dime 447 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: or a quarter, helped these kids live. It's certainly the 448 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: surprise eyes twist payoff. You know. I don't like again, 449 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: it really seems that the at the very least, I mean, 450 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: what is it real live incubated babies. You know, it 451 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily uh scream charity um. But he almost was 452 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: like secretly getting these folks to contribute to the well 453 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: being of these children, even if that wasn't front and 454 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 1: center in the in the whole you know, concept of 455 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: the of the exhibit. Um. He also like had it 456 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: all schmalt stuff and like red, white, and blue, and 457 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, he had nurses running around wearing like starched 458 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: white kind of uniforms, and the whole thing was very Uh, 459 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: there was a lot of pageantry to it. It's very interesting, 460 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: but I think he knew exactly what he was doing. 461 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: You might be asking yourself, Casey nol Ben, why can't 462 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: I go see a infictorium today? You know, I don't 463 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: want to see it in a hospital. I went the 464 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: side show experience. I want to eat some fun, Okay, 465 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: I want a little razzle dazzle, you know, yeah, exactly. Uh. 466 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: This was an era and it did come to an end. 467 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: After decades of caring for these children. Cooney was credited 468 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: in the development of neonatal care and hospitals, but the 469 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: public got familiarized with it, right. It lost that razzle 470 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: dazzle we described, It lost that sense of novelty, and 471 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: by the early nineteen forties, people just weren't as interested 472 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: in the novelty of baby incubators and hospitals were also 473 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: starting to open their own units dedicated to the care 474 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: of premature children, and so in Ninette Cooney closes the 475 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: show in Coney Island. He lives seven more years. He 476 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: passes away at the age of eighty. The sad story 477 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: is that he achieved fame, but maybe not financial success. 478 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: This is how this is what makes me think he 479 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: wasn't crooked or embezzling. He was apparently broke when he 480 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: passed away. Did you see that? No? I didn't see that. 481 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: But it does make sense. I mean, you know, we're 482 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: talking a lot of money to buy all these machines 483 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: and to have the upkeep and to hire the staff, 484 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: and you know, it really does feel like perhaps the 485 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: price of admission was just going back into the maintenance 486 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: of all this stuff, you know. Uh, And he really 487 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: did just figure out a clever, kind of sneaky way 488 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: of building like the world's first top of the line 489 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: neonatal care center, because it wasn't until you know, folks 490 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: took notice of the of the good that he was 491 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: doing that this technology did really catch on in a 492 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: much more meaningful way. I wanted to backtrack, ever, so 493 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: s latest to point out something interesting. That is, when 494 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: something that was mentioned in the PBS thing that I watched, 495 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: um which I'm gonna give you the name of because 496 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: it's it was quite good and short and very interesting Uh. 497 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: We talked about this in the past, that the World's 498 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: Fair had kind of a history of doing odd human displays. 499 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: If you get my drift, Ben, remember the indigenous people 500 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: display very messed up, very messed up like this human 501 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: zoo almost of folks from you know, African countries, dressed 502 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: in their you know, uh indigenous garb and holding spears, 503 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: and one particular individual was um eventually put in like 504 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: a zoo and then he was forced to like wrestle 505 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: with a chimpanzee every day until uh organization that worked 506 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: towards black rights uh shut that down. And then he 507 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: ended up in a in in a home kind of 508 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: like a halfway house situation and took his own life. Uh. 509 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: Not to say that this is anything like that, but 510 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: if if my brain moved towards like the exploitative nous 511 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: of this, that's something that definitely popped in, especially since 512 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: we had discussed that story before. Yeah, there's another twist here. 513 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: Cooney had his heart in the right place. But we 514 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: were very careful folks in the way we described him 515 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: throughout this episode. Let's see, we called him a an entrepreneur, 516 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: maybe we implied that businessman. We called him a medical pioneer. 517 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: But there's one thing he wasn't. He was not a doctor, 518 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: most likely almost almost certainly. Yeah, yeah, that I did 519 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: feel like I almost like did I miss that part? Like, 520 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, because he um, Yeah, it's true. He had 521 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: said that he studied medicine in Berlin and Leipsig, but 522 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: there was no evidence that he actually and he went 523 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: by a couple of different names. We know him as Cooney, 524 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: he go went by Cohen k o h N also Cohen. 525 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: There's no evidence that he actually studied medicine at the 526 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: university in either of those cities. Um. And you know, 527 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: in Germany, to be a physician you have to write 528 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: a thesis. And uh, you know, the U s National 529 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: Library of Medicine has copies of all of the German 530 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: records and of thus far been able unable to locate 531 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: a thesis written by Cooney. Yeah. He was also super 532 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: super sketchy about the specifics of his personal life, which 533 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, I respect. Uh. He was evasive about his 534 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: date of birth and where he was born. Later research 535 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: showed that he immigrated to the US and at the 536 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: age of nineteen. But the problem with that is someone 537 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: of that age would not have been old enough to 538 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: be at university in Berlin and leapsake before going on 539 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: to do grad work in Paris. UH. He claimed to 540 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: be the inventor of an incubator, but there's no evidence 541 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: that he registered a patent. UH In he listed his 542 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: career as get the surgical instruments, and then by my 543 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: ninety thirty he described himself in the census as a physician. 544 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: So if he had been caught doing any of that falsely, 545 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: you know, pretending to be a doctor, that's that's breaking 546 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: the law. He could have gone to prison. And the 547 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: weird complex part about that is this means almost certainly 548 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: many of those children would have died. Yeah, that's right. 549 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: We've been kind of saying that how along, and not 550 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: to be labor the point, but because the whole thing 551 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: is just kind of a head scratcher, right, Like, on 552 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: the one hand, he did something that was real, real cool, 553 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, at a real positive impact. By the way, 554 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: off Mike well well, Ben was making an amazing point. Um. 555 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: I looked up what this PBS clip was, and it's 556 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: from a show or a series called History Detectives from 557 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: season seven, episode four. Uh. It's sixteen minute, fifty second 558 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: clip about side show babies, and basically this all starts 559 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: with a woman who wants to know if the silver 560 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: baby cup that she got from the nineteen thirty three 561 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: Chicago's World's Fair with her name engraved on in Patricia Uh, 562 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: if there was Her mother claimed that she was whisked 563 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: away from her home as a premature baby be um 564 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: who was literally being kept in a shoe box by 565 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: the radiator like we talked about, UH, and taken UH 566 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: to an incubator at the nineteen thirty three Chicago World's Fair. 567 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: And this episode starts off with is this even true? 568 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: She has no evidence of this being true. The woman 569 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: does recognize that this silver cup is in fact a 570 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: genuine artifact from the Chicago World's Fair. It had the 571 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: right logo and everything. It turns out that these cups 572 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: were given to those quote unquote graduates that we talked about, 573 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: and she was in fact one of the babies that 574 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: were that you know. And again there's a lot of 575 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot of babies because this was, 576 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: like what you say, it lasted a year the Chicago 577 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: World's Fair eighteen months, so UH, And I don't want 578 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: to spoil the whole thing for even though I kind 579 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: of spoiled a part of it. But there's a lot 580 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: more information that's I highly recommend you check it out. 581 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: Uh just about like a lot of good imagery from 582 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: the time, archival stuff, and you get to see, uh, 583 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: you get to go a little deeper into it visual 584 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: then obviously you can do on a podcast. But she 585 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: ends up very pleased that she was then that this happened. 586 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: It starts off a little questionable, and then she ends 587 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: up being very thankful that that. You know, she didn't 588 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 1: think she would have survived if not for for this gentleman. 589 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: And that's been a journey like that for I think 590 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: both of us. Too bad. It's from ups and downs 591 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: in terms of whoa WDF to Oh it's heartwarming, back 592 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: to you know, somewhere in the middle when we find 593 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: out that he wasn't really a doctor, but at some 594 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: point he retired and just said my work here is 595 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: done and I've saved enough babies. Yeah, he claimed an 596 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: eighty five percent success rate. There's no way to verify that, 597 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: but it's still far far better than zero percent, right, 598 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: or then these poor children having to be left to 599 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: the whims of fate, and with that in mind, we say, 600 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: hats off to you Cooney. You're you're a bit sketchy, 601 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: that's true. It is a bit of a roller coaster 602 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: worthy of Codey Island. But you made the world a 603 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 1: better place, So I would I would say thanks to him, 604 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, thanks for making side shows a little more wholesome. Yeah, 605 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: And I would also argue that in those days, sometimes 606 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: a little healthy sketch goes a long way, that's right. Yeah, 607 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes you had to get it in where you could. 608 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: And he definitely had a plan and uh, you know, 609 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: as evidence by the fact that he retired with very 610 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: little money. Certainly wasn't a money making scheme. It was 611 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: much more of like his life's work. And I don't know, 612 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: like I don't know there's quite enough for like a big, 613 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: full biopic, but I definitely think that he deserves a 614 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: place in the history of of of medicine, even if 615 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: he wasn't an actual doctor. And so that's our show today. 616 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: Thank you as always for tuning in, big, big thanks 617 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: to super producer Casey Pegram And I forgot to ask you, guys, 618 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: where did either of you happen to be born prematurely 619 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: not I, Um though, my daughter's sister was, but only 620 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: just a little bit. But she did have a little 621 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: bit of She had to be put on an incubator 622 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: for a bit and then she was fine, but she 623 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: had she had a little bit of problems breathing. That's 624 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: the thing that happens to if they're underdeveloped, they have 625 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: to you know, get a little extra help. Um. So yeah, 626 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: it was definitely scary, but less so knowing that this 627 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: tech was out there. You know, what about you, Casey. 628 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: I had a friend growing up. I was born on 629 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: his due date and he was born on mine. But 630 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: it was only a difference of like four days, so 631 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: that's not really premature, so I can't I can't really 632 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: lay claim to that. No, that's pretty cool. I was 633 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: the opposite. I was born two weeks late. I'm still 634 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: catching up. I was enormous. Uh, but we want to 635 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: hear from you. 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You can also find us on 651 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: social media or ridiculous history. Uh, if you want. You 652 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: can also find Ben and I as human people on 653 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: our own social meats. I am at how now, Noel 654 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: Brown on Instagram. You can find me on Twitter app 655 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: Ben Bull in hs W. You can also find me 656 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 1: on Instagram. Uh, as I always say, in a burst 657 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: of creativity, I'm Ben Bowland. Thanks of course to the 658 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: quister Jonathan Strickland, who we need to get back on 659 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: the show at some point soon. He's busy, he's he's 660 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: learning guitar. Actually, I think he's okay if we tell 661 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 1: people that. Uh. And thanks, of course to Alex Williams, 662 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: our official uh slapping Bob Bob and slap maker. Thanks 663 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: Chris for us it is here in spirit U gave 664 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: Blugier researcher extraordinaire. I thank Jonathan Quiz. Did you think 665 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: Jonathan Quister? That's what I want to start calling him now, 666 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: to Jonathan like Jonathan Swift, I'm since to start calling 667 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: him Jonathan Quister. I think that works. Uh. If you 668 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: did thank him, I'm thinking him again. If you didn't 669 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: consider this the first time, with double the love, It's Friday, y'all. 670 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,240 Speaker 1: We're not entirely here. We've been checked out for about 671 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: the last fifteen minutes. We're giving it our level best 672 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 1: speak for yourself intentions. Hey, when I say we, I 673 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: mean the royal we as in this guy right here 674 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: with the two of the two thumbs and the and 675 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: the dad jokes. I'm gonna tell you a secret, give 676 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,879 Speaker 1: it before before we go off there. I've been, I've been, 677 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: I made, I made a cocktail, and I've just been 678 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,439 Speaker 1: staring at it off screen for when we wrap Ben, 679 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: what is it? What is it? It's an old fashioned 680 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get an old fashioned tub man. Well, 681 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: I'll enjoy one with you in spirit up there in 682 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: the clouds, floating with Christopher Haciotis uh and and our 683 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: spirit old fashions. We'll see you next time Fox. For 684 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 1: more podcasts from My Heart Radio, visit the I Heart 685 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your 686 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: favorite shows.