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Speaker 1: time pirates had a government.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's strange because it was sort of a marriage

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Speaker 1: Yes, sure, this is the golden age of piracy was

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Speaker 1: But in this episode from a few years back, while

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Speaker 1: And then we're also going to explore the Barbary Coast

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Speaker 1: Providence That time Pirates had a government. Asterisk Ridiculous Histories

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Speaker 2: Yoho Ho.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you as

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Speaker 1: for the buccaneer, the privates here of ridiculous History, super

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Speaker 2: Yo Ho Ho and a bottle of rum or something

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Speaker 2: they loved, drum they did. It's a little sugary for

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Speaker 1: It's us, bros. Let's hurt people. So privateers were crimes, right,

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Speaker 1: Oh there's one other big difference. Unlike out now pirates,

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Speaker 2: And for like a colonizing force like the British government,

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Speaker 1: This is the this becomes a revenue stream for these

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Speaker 2: Yikes. And this was like early days of the slave trade.

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Speaker 1: And what we're saying it was a chaotic time. The

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. And Ben, I think it's something that we've

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Speaker 2: You could then be coming home to a real problem,

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Speaker 2: Then we also have, you know, an era that comes

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Speaker 2: So in a lot in a lot of ways, these

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Speaker 1: First, you need a lot of unemployed, able bodied young men,

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Speaker 2: And then just to your point about the wild West,

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Speaker 2: During this time, it really was, you know, to your point,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so it's kind of like coopy. Uh, these

435
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Speaker 1: unscrupulous recruiters would get people drunk and then they would

436
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Speaker 1: have those folks wake up on you know, like a

437
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Speaker 1: Royal Navy ship. Haha, that was a wild Saturday you

438
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Speaker 1: were for us?

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Oh man, it's true. Yeah, and then and

440
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Speaker 2: then you've been You found a really great point on

441
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Speaker 2: World history dot org that a lot of these uh

442
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Speaker 2: you know, maybe workaday pirates would just gamble away their money,

443
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, gamble away their plunder, their ill gutten gains.

444
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: But then you had some that actually kind of created

445
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: like a network, you know that like had a much

446
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: more forward thinking mindset and invested their doubloons correctly and

447
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: invested in their own fleet of ships. And that's when

448
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 2: you get the pirates of lore like your long John

449
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: silver types. I know he wasn't real, but like a Blackbeard,

450
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: and that guy was real. He commanded like a giant

451
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: crew and was very organized. And it wasn't just chaos,

452
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: rape and pillotry and on the high seas. It was

453
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Speaker 2: an enterprise. It very much was.

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Speaker 1: And let's talk a little bit about their gold. The

455
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Speaker 1: most sought afterloot, as we said, was precious gems, silver

456
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Speaker 1: and gold, because these could be sold to a dealer

457
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Speaker 1: in a port that was low key cool with pirates,

458
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Speaker 1: pirate haven. But coins were even better because there was

459
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Speaker 1: no thought already to check whether or not this was

460
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Speaker 1: dirty money. You didn't have to down yeah you did

461
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Speaker 1: have to launder money. You could just show up with coins.

462
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: And at this time, you know, there are a lot

463
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Speaker 1: of different sorts of denominations around and yeah, you're right, No,

464
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: you could just melt them down if you want it.

465
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Speaker 1: But we're talking about like pieces of eight silver, ducats,

466
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Speaker 1: silver pesos, Spanish, the blues.

467
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Speaker 2: There were no like serial numbers or any kind of

468
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Speaker 2: way of tracking them back to the bank that they

469
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 2: came from. There was no ink cartridge that would explode

470
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Speaker 2: when you like undid the band on them or whatever.

471
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Speaker 1: There was a guy at the back of the tavern

472
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Speaker 1: or brothel who would like, bite a piece of gold.

473
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Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, well there's already golden tooth that's

474
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: terrified to me. The metal in your mouth. Oh gosh, yeah,

475
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: I know, it's funny. It just becomes such like a

476
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: fun you know, cliche little trope. But yeah, I mean,

477
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: the golden age of piracy does likely refer to the

478
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Speaker 2: gold that was a flowing as well, you know, because

479
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: that stuff was really easy to move, It could really

480
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 2: easily be bought and sold. But also let's not forget

481
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Speaker 2: like that mogul shipping vessel that things like spices, things

482
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Speaker 2: like silk, things that were rare and that you couldn't

483
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: get everywhere, And there became why do you think they

484
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: call it the silk road man, the pirate bay. You know,

485
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 2: like all of this stuff was this underground black market

486
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: that sprang up, you know, around the types of stuff

487
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Speaker 2: that these pirates were hauling in.

488
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, most of the time, again, they

489
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: weren't finding these holy grails of plunder. They were hitting

490
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Speaker 1: up ships for things like tobacco, sugar, rum, brandy wine.

491
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Speaker 1: You know, barrels of fur and lumber, and even flower.

492
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: They would still flower because this operation could also supply

493
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Speaker 1: the with much needed resources. Sometimes they would knock over

494
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Speaker 1: a ship that had very wealthy VIP pastors. They would

495
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Speaker 1: take all of those VIP's personal valuables, and they would

496
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Speaker 1: even you know, take the clothes off their backs and say,

497
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: I could sell this. I can make a ton of

498
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: money on this. They would steal food because they needed

499
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Speaker 1: to eat. They're also a working vessel at sea. They

500
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: would take whatever's in the ship's medicine chest. I read

501
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: one really interesting story where there's like a fishing boat

502
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Speaker 1: that gets knocked over by a much larger pirate ship

503
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: and all they take, dude, are the hats of the fishermen.

504
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: The fishermen had other stuff. They have fish, you know,

505
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Speaker 1: they're just a little boat of middle class fishermen. But

506
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: the pirates had got super drunk the night before and

507
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 1: they rolled up on this boat and they said, we

508
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: are going to take your hats because we partied too

509
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Speaker 1: hard and we all threw our hats in the water.

510
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Speaker 2: Or last night.

511
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Speaker 1: So they would steal all kinds of stuff, you know,

512
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Speaker 1: the stories of treasure get exaggerated a little bit. They

513
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: also took rope, tackle, you know, nails, sales anchors, all

514
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: the stuff you need to run a pirate ship. But

515
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: here's the question. What do you do if you've got

516
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of hot items and you can't go to

517
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Speaker 1: port and sell them because you're a wanted band.

518
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Speaker 2: Where do you go? Well, you mentioned those those pirate hubs, right,

519
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: or those pirate havens. You know, you essentially needed what

520
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: you might call today a fence. You know, he needed

521
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: a place that would take your ill gotten booty and

522
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Speaker 2: essentially I mean hold on to it, you know, well

523
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: while things kind of cooled down, right, and potentially then

524
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Speaker 2: move it for you, you know. But you also were

525
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: if you weren't in one of these sort of safe spaces,

526
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Speaker 2: you might likely have a price on your head or

527
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: be you know, un wanted posters and such. So you

528
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Speaker 2: needed these places that you referred to earlier ben as

529
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Speaker 2: pirate havens. One such, very famous one of these was

530
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Speaker 2: a city called New Providence. Oh yeah, there goes the neighborhood, right.

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Speaker 1: This is located in the modern day Bahamas, and Spain

532
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Speaker 1: had claimed the island of New Providence after Crystabaul Cologne

533
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: legendary pill quote unquote discovered the New World. Eventually, the

534
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Speaker 1: land changed hands and England lay claim to it. If

535
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Speaker 1: we go back to the late sixteen hundreds, there's a

536
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Speaker 1: guy named Henry Avery. Henry Avery is a privateer who

537
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: made a boatload get it by plundering gold and silver

538
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: and elephant tusk and gunpowder from these trade ships heading

539
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: from India to a local harbor. And he was able

540
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Speaker 1: to bribe the governor of New Providence of the English

541
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Speaker 1: Bahamas at the time, a guy named Nicholas Trott, who

542
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: is super important by the way in Carolina's history. He said, look,

543
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: let me give you not just some gold, not just

544
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: some silver, but this entire ship of elephant tusk and gunpowder.

545
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: And all you have to do, my bro is, let

546
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Speaker 1: us operate safely here. Don't jam us up, Nick, Just

547
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: don't jam us up.

548
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: No. So in sixteen ninety six, Avery successfully bribed the

549
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: governor Nicholas trot into establishing Nassau in the Bahamas as

550
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: a haven where the pirates could do their business freely.

551
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: You know, like Hamsterdam in the wire, you know, like

552
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: a drug free zone, but this is like a crime

553
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: free zone. The governors would essentially, you know, go through

554
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: the motions doing their due diligence and an act, you know,

555
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: being stewards of the law, and perhaps make some you know,

556
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: let's call them ceremonial attempts to stop or to shut

557
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: down piracy. But it's really no different than you know,

558
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: crime syndicants paying off the police, you know, or anything

559
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: like that. It really is just as simple as that.

560
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Speaker 2: If it might be made and people are lacking in scruples,

561
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Speaker 2: then these kinds of situations will thrive one.

562
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Speaker 1: Hundred percent, you know, and overtime as a result. That's

563
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Speaker 1: what I mean when I say there goes the neighborhood,

564
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: the place goes into decline. The governors are increasingly authorities

565
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: on paper only. The pirates are becoming more and more powerful,

566
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: and the federalal statistic about this. What you need to

567
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: know is there's a bunch of civilian settlers and soldiers.

568
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Speaker 1: They have a fort, French and Spanish ships team up

569
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Speaker 1: and they attack Nassau first in seventeen oh three, and

570
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: then a few years later they come back and do

571
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: the same thing in seventeen oh six. So a bunch

572
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: of settlers and soldiers leave at this point they cut

573
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: their losses. There's a heavily damaged fort left, and there

574
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: are no souls there. There's no one to enforce the

575
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: laws that existed even as this place was on decline.

576
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Speaker 1: If you look at the statistics, by seventeen thirteen, there

577
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: were over one thousand pirates in this community and they

578
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: far outnumbered the four hundred to five hundred people who

579
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: are just regular folks. Yeah, this is what you might

580
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: call a high of scummon villainy. It's starting to veester

581
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: over here, right, Yeah, and the main city becomes home

582
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: to folks like black Beard. We mentioned earlier pirates like

583
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Speaker 1: Jack Rackham, Benjamin Hornegold which is just hilarious, and Sam

584
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: Jay Rock was pretty cool, too fun to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

585
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: these guys have good names and they these guys all

586
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: used this island as a base. At some point there

587
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: were six hundred pirates not just living there, but sailing

588
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: from Nassau who raided shipping and shipping routes and ports

589
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: from the Caribbean all the way up to Maine. A

590
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: couple of them even started calling themselves the governors of

591
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Speaker 1: New Providence. We've got a great quote from a guy

592
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: named Thomas Barrow. He is quoted as saying that he

593
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: is the governor of Providence, will make it a second Madagascar,

594
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: and expects five or six hundred more men from Jamaican

595
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: sloops to join in the settling of Providence and to

596
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: make war on the French and the Spaniards. But for

597
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: the English, they don't intend to meddle with them unless

598
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: they are first attacked by them.

599
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: Okay, And this, you know, kind of worked out for

600
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: a time. They they came up with all name. I

601
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: wonder if this is where the Jolly Roger came from.

602
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: Probably not, I probably wasn't something that was more a

603
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: flag you'ed fly at sea. But they did come up

604
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: with a sort of you know name for their new institution,

605
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: the Republic of Pirates, because those two things go hand

606
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: in hand, you know, law and order and governance and piracy.

607
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: It did avoid attacking British vessels though, right, don't poke

608
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: the bear. Where it did get out about New Providence

609
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: becoming the safe haven for pirates looking to have a

610
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: good yoho ho and you know, kick back with some

611
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: RUMs and all that stuff. And it was also a

612
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: place that would essentially serve as a recruiting ground. Right.

613
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this place.

614
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: Launched some careers in the world of piracy. It was

615
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Speaker 1: mostly run by a group of real hard cases who

616
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Speaker 1: are collectively called the Flying Gang. The Flying Gang is

617
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: a team up that comes from a heist. In seventeen fifteen,

618
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: the Spanish treasure fleet sank during a hurricane off the

619
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Speaker 1: coast of La Florida. And when a pirate named Henry

620
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: Jennings learned that these ships had sank, he devised a

621
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Speaker 1: plan along with people like Benjamin Hornegold who we mentioned,

622
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Speaker 1: Samuel Bellamy who he mentioned, and a guy named Charles Vaine,

623
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Speaker 1: and he said, look, the Spanish are going to try

624
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: to salvage this. They're going to try to pull the

625
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: gold out from these sunken ships. We're going to be

626
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,959
Speaker 1: there and we're going to steal the treasure from the salvagers.

627
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: They eventually called themselves the Flying Gang. And I'm trying

628
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: very hard not to write parody lyrics for the Flying

629
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Speaker 1: Gang to the tune of the Crying Game. But that's

630
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: how you know, that's how colonial powers were. They don't

631
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: want no more of the Flying Gang. And to your

632
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: point about people starting a career, Edward Teach aka Blackbeard.

633
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: He gets his start here, so does Jack Rackham, whose

634
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: pirate namer street name was Calico Jack. And a lot

635
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: of other people, including some female pirates like Mary Reid

636
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: and a body.

637
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and in case you guys are wondering, I'm over

638
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 3: here on Assassin's Creed Wikipedia searching all these names because

639
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 3: all these people are in Assassin's Creed for black Flags.

640
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: So it's kind of good been in nostalgia for me

641
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Speaker 3: right now.

642
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 2: That's awesome, man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I you know, I wasn't the biggest fan

644
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: of the maritime aspects of Assassin's Creed, but what a

645
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: great universe they've built. And I enjoy I enjoy a

646
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: couple of the games having that museum mode where you

647
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: can just walk around and look at buildings. Oh yeah,

648
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: I think that's the one set in Italy.

649
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: Anyway, here's the idea.

650
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: These guys they do their heist, the pirates take their

651
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: wealth and Horne Gold and is Pal Thomas Barrow establish

652
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: a new community on this island, on New Providence, and

653
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: they set out to create a legitimate pirate republic. And

654
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: like you said, no, honestly, a lot of these guys

655
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: could be subjects to their own episodes. You know what

656
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: you need to know here is somewhere in a mostly

657
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: neglected part of the Caribbean that didn't have a huge

658
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: population at the time, some of the area's most dangerous

659
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: people put aside their typical rivalries for a common cause.

660
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: It's an avengers of maritime crime, you know, heist on

661
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: the high seas and they start attacking everyone except the

662
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: British at first.

663
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: Right, So by seventeen thirteen, the war of that War

664
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: of Spanish succession. That's hard to say Spanish successions. That's

665
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 2: what the war was about. I know, it's just literally

666
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: about too many esh sounds. It was over, it had

667
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 2: wrapped up. Thankfully, they figured it out, they figured out

668
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: how to pronounce it. But many of these British privateers

669
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: didn't get the memo we take for granted, like how

670
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: many movies are spoiled by the existence of smartphones, You know,

671
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: many problem there's that thing, but even just like in general,

672
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: like in the thriller of some kind, like how easy

673
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: would it be for someone just to have googled a

674
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: thing or to have the correct directions they didn't get lost,

675
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 2: or you know, for someone to be able to warn

676
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: them you know, in these days it was even worse.

677
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: You know, they would take months sometimes for word to

678
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: reach individuals who were out in remote areas, especially during wartime.

679
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: So a lot of these privateers, they did not get

680
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: the news that the war was over. This is the

681
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: kind of thing you hear about all the time, you know,

682
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: in historical situations where perhaps an action is taken, often

683
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: a tragic action due to not realizing the circumstances had

684
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: completely changed.

685
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Man, I'm glad you bring that up,

686
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: because it reminds me of that Japanese soldier who didn't

687
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: know World War two had ended for decades and decades. Also,

688
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: people who were enslaved in the US who didn't learn

689
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: about emancipation for quite some time. The travel of information,

690
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: the frictionless travel of information, is probably one of the

691
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: biggest wins of recent humanity or the thing that is

692
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: going to spell the end of civilization.

693
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: Maybe both, maybe both maybe, And so these you know,

694
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: a lot of these these these uh, these privateers either

695
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: didn't get the news or wouldn't accept it, didn't didn't

696
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: think that it was true. So they, you know, slipped

697
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: further and further into piracy, which actually led to a

698
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: lot of you know, new blood kind of being pumped

699
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: into New Providence right to join that pirate republic and

700
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: causes an absolute boom in the numbers of pirates that

701
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: were hanging out there.

702
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And now New Providence is becoming a boom

703
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: town and it's not as unified as it was. This

704
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: place was only around, by the way, for a very

705
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: short amount of time, a little over a decade. And

706
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: over time, these pirates of New Providence, they stopped giving

707
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: British ships a hall pass. A lot of these guys

708
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: who were former privateers like working for England, start attacking

709
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: any ship they want, British or not. At their height,

710
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: they're giving themselves titles like Commodore. They're commanding fleets of ships,

711
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: and they can go toe to toe with the Royal Navy.

712
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes they can even outgun it, which is a huge

713
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: deal because the Royal Navy is the big dog on

714
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: campus at this point.

715
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: That's right, And this starts to make me think of again,

716
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: perhaps some thinking more along the lines of some fiction,

717
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 2: but this is when you know, you start to see

718
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: like things like in Game of Thrones, the Golden Compass

719
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: or whatever, like these like armies for hire, or even

720
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: we have now today with the Wagner group, you know

721
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: over there in the Ukraine or in Russia, the idea

722
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: that an independent group could become so large as to

723
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: rival a an official military. And even though you know

724
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: right now they're at odds, there could come a time where,

725
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: for enough money, maybe you could hire some of these

726
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: pirate crews to do your bidding. You know who knows.

727
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And at this point, you know, King George is

728
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: starting to get a little beefed up because it was

729
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: easy to ignore the crimes of these pirates as long

730
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: as they were attacking the British themselves. But the British

731
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: government was starting to get really concerned. They say, piracy

732
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: is so out of control that we're not getting British

733
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: settlers into these colonies, and if the land is unpopulated,

734
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: our foreign rivals may take it over. This is not

735
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: a sustainable situation. So George makes the decision. He contacts

736
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: a former privateer and makes some governor Woods Rogers, and

737
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: he says, Rogers, I want you to go over to

738
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: New Providence, go over to this high of Scumonbility, and

739
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: tell them that I will give them a pardon I

740
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: will give them an act of grace, a king's pardon.

741
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: This one is called a Proclamation for Suppressing of Pirates.

742
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: Right September fifth, seventeen seventeen, pirates would receive amnesty be

743
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 2: forgiven of their trespasses that includes murder, just so long

744
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 2: as they surrendered by the next January fifth of seventeen eighteen.

745
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 2: So it's thinking a lot of blind eye kind of mentality,

746
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: isn't it. It's like, we're going to unless you can,

747
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: need to operate outside the law, but we need you

748
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: to agree that we're putting a clock on this because

749
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: this isn't gonna work forever for everyone, right, Yeah.

750
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: They said, look, you will totally free pass you guys.

751
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: We've had fun, we've made some friends, we've plundered some ships,

752
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: we've had some laughs. But as long as you surrender

753
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: by this date, by January fifth, seventeen eighteen, later they

754
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: kicked the can down the road, then it's all good.

755
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: And Woods was the right guy for this job because

756
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: he was a former privateer and slave trader. He spoke

757
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: the cultural language of the pirates, and he did convince

758
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: a lot of them to take a square life. A

759
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: lot of pirates accepted a pardon, but some refused to

760
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: give up the game, notably folks like Jack Rackham and

761
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: Edward Teach. The problem was these guys, to your point,

762
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: they were living on borrow time. Either the Royal Navy

763
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: or local authorities would get them soon if the party

764
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: couldn't go on forever. And we'll tell you what happened there,

765
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: But before we do, let's get to the heart of

766
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: the question for today's episode. Was New Providence really a

767
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: pirate government?

768
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: Kind of? Yeah, kind of. I mean they.

769
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: Had people with specific jobs, like they were organized crime, right,

770
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: So the mafia has a hierarchy, They've got specific duties,

771
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: they've got a code. What's the mafia code. It's not Omerta,

772
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: that's code of silence, right.

773
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a I don't know, I just know Cosinostra.

774
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: I don't know. I always thought America kind of was

775
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: the mafia code, but maybe there's another one. Awesome.

776
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they had like, they had these rules, and

777
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: just like the mafia, the pirates said, we need a

778
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: code of behavior that will reduce internal conflict and maximize profits.

779
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: At the same time. You can find great examples of

780
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: real pirate code. We got one from a guy named

781
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: bartholomewle black bart Roberts. In seventeen twenty two. He and

782
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: his crew made a set of laws that are pretty

783
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: they're pretty interesting. Just put a few of these on here.

784
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: They're not all of them, but one of the ones

785
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: that might surprise a lot of people is voting. Everybody

786
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: got a vote on the ship except hostages.

787
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 3: And jump back in one more time with Assassin's Creed.

788
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: Bartholomew Black Bart Roberts is actually the secret villain of

789
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 3: Assassin's Creed. For spoilers, he is the oh a spoiler

790
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 3: for a game that came out of one A PS three.

791
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: Next, you're gonna tell me what happened at at Ford Theater?

792
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: Oh got yeah, No, but yeah he's uh he is,

793
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: I forget what his role is. He's the stage. Yeah,

794
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 3: so I saw that name and I had to jump

795
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: in here. I'm going away now.

796
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: No, let's give it. Let's do a max with the

797
00:46:53,120 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: facts that second in the phone fallen lolge it's just

798
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: for you right now fast.

799
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, there we go. People could vote. You

800
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: had actually more of a say as an individual on

801
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: a pirate ship than you did in a Royal Navy.

802
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: Pretty interesting, right, I mean, yeah, there was a certain

803
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: amount of equity right in this arrangement where everyone was

804
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: somewhat on an equal playing field. It's very interesting. I mean,

805
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure in practice, maybe I don't know I've actually heard,

806
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: you know, I think that's stuff humans in history class

807
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: may have done an episode on this back in the

808
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: day when I was the producer of that show. And

809
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: I do feel like they really took this stuff very seriously.

810
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: The idea of equality. You know, it wasn't just on paper.

811
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 2: It wasn't like it wasn't a do as I say,

812
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: not as I do. You know, everyone lived by this code.

813
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: One hundred percent man, and they were surprisingly progressive in

814
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: some ways. They also said in a lot of pirate code.

815
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: They said, don't steal from coworkers, you know what I mean,

816
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: don't hoard stuff from the crew. Don't rob. If you

817
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: rob a fellow pirate, you're gonna have your nose and

818
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: your ears split, and then we'll throw you ashore on

819
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: like the worst island we can find. They said, no gambling.

820
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, this is oddly wholesome until you think about it.

821
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: They had a curfew. They said, every night you got

822
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: at eight pm. You got to put out all the

823
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: lights and candles. They said, if any of the crew

824
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: want to sit around and drink, they have to do

825
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: it on the open deck without lights. And it's not

826
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: because they were worried about their bedtime. It's because lights

827
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: would help you identify a ship at sea.

828
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was the like you know,

829
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: there's another term like that cut of your jib, Right,

830
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: that was one the idea of I like the cut

831
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 2: of your jib refers to the cut of the sail

832
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: on a certain ship, so that you could be identified

833
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: at sea. That's how you knew you that was a friend,

834
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: you know, or a friendly Right. I always assumed that

835
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 2: you meant like jaw or something like that, But no,

836
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: not the case. And this is the case too. The

837
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: idea of those lights being a really important identifier. Next

838
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: we have this is a very pirty one. I would argue,

839
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 2: stay ready to fight. It runs me of that Russell

840
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: Crow bit on South Park where he's fighting around the world,

841
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: you know, like singing songs and something some and fought

842
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: and around the world. That's very praty. Yeah, yeah, always

843
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: be ready for a fight. Each man shall keep his

844
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: piece cutlass and pistols at all times, clean and ready

845
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 2: for action.

846
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: We don't know what it's gonna pop off, you know

847
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: what I mean. Stay frosty, stay sharp, five by five.

848
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: They also have workers cop They had an early version

849
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: of workers compensation. If you were crippled, or you lost

850
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: a limb, or you had another very serious injury in

851
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: your service with your pirate crew, you would get eight

852
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: hundred pieces of eight and if you were less, if

853
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: you were hurt less, egregiously, you would get a corresponding

854
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: amount of money. That's pretty cool. There are many places

855
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: and industries that don't bother doing that today, so that

856
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: might surprise some people, some of us with stereotypes about pirates.

857
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: We're not saying they're good people.

858
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: We know that.

859
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: Pirate code also said, hey, the captain isn't necessarily a dictator.

860
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: We on the ship can all take a vote, and

861
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: if we don't like the captain or a leader, we

862
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: can vote them out. And again a lot of these

863
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: guys are coming from the tyranny of working for merchant

864
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 1: ships or the Royal Navy. This is super duper freedom

865
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 1: for them. So from seventeen oh six to about seventeen

866
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: eighteen these scallywags, I would argue they really did form,

867
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: if not a government, a political entity because they adapted

868
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: pirate code of the sea to become sort of the

869
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: by laws of their haven in New Providence. And they

870
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: were also very they were oddly progressive in terms of

871
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: race relations.

872
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 2: For the time. Absolutely, that's another thing that always kind

873
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: of had me a little bit flummoxed, you know, in

874
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: addition to the whole workers comp thing. I mean, they

875
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: really were like some of the early kind of labor

876
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: rights activists. It's very very interesting. Another very interesting feature

877
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: of the Republic of Pirates, to your point, Bend, was

878
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: the fact that Africans were considered equal members of the crew.

879
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 2: And it's so interesting because we talked about how those

880
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: privateers or originally right that was a big early form

881
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 2: of slave trade. It would seem that what evolved and

882
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: became maybe the less lawful version of those pirateers that

883
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: were operating outside of the rule of law were in

884
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: fact much more humane than those operating under the rule

885
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 2: of life.

886
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, imagine you're attacking a ship as a

887
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: pirate crew and you come to find that it is

888
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: not it is not just loaded with you know, like

889
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: cinnamon and pantaloons and rum. But they're also enslaved people

890
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: on there. You can be kind of a hero if

891
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: you're one of the folks who say, look, all the captain,

892
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, all you other guys, we're gonna rob you

893
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: blind you who were enslaved. You can be free, you

894
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: can join us. That's a hard thing to say no to.

895
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: And we know that several people of American, Indian or

896
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: of African background became pirate captains in their own right.

897
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: One of the most famous is a guy called Black Caesar.

898
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: And look, okay, so weirdly progressive pirates were surprisingly weirdly progressive.

899
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: Back to our boy, Governor Woods Rogers arrives in Nassau.

900
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: He's got the king's pardon. He's pitching to people. One

901
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: dude accepts. He doesn't just accept. Benjamin horne Gold says, okay,

902
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: I'll stop being a pirate, and Rogers says, well, you're

903
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: a special case, my friend. He says, hey, ben, if

904
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: you want a new job, why don't you become a

905
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: trader and help me hunt down all your buddies. And

906
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: so horne Gold like that goes from being a pirate

907
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: to a pirate hunter, and he's chasing down all of

908
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: his former colleagues, anyone who doesn't take the king's pardon.

909
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: Nah, put his money? Where's not this? Yeah? This is in.

910
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 3: Case you'all were wondering. Horn of Gold is very much

911
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 3: a villain in Assassin's Creed Blackflow.

912
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 2: Oh good, I was gonna ask.

913
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: He starts off the game. Actually he's like one of

914
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: your mentors. But no, it changes.

915
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: You actually have to hunt him down at some point.

916
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 2: He's a pill. He's a pill in real life too.

917
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: But he didn't get everybody. He got around ten other

918
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: salty dogs. On the morning of December twelfth, of seventeen eighteen.

919
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: Nine of those fellas were.

920
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were executed. They were killed, Yeah, for piracy.

921
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: And you wonder if they got captured. I couldn't find

922
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: the answer to this. Maybe someone can help us. If

923
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: those pirates got captured and they recanted their crimes, could

924
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: they take the king's pardon right before they were executed?

925
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

926
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like you said, no, our buddy,

927
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 1: Benjamin Hornigold doesn't get everybody. The pirate hunters don't get

928
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: everyone in New Providence. A lot of folks get away

929
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: Charles Vain Blackbeard. They go on to pursue their villainous

930
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: careers elsewhere in the Caribbean, and just like that, after

931
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: eleven very strange years, the Republic of the Pirates is gone.

932
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: And overall, as conditions change, the fortunes of the pirates

933
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: in general decline in the mid seventeen twenties, and they

934
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: it never became as powerful as they were for that

935
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: brief time in the seventeen tens. And along the way,

936
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of those guys can't live that

937
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: demanding life as they age. But if they were smart,

938
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: buccaneers and pirates and smugglers and privateers all had invested

939
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: their gains. And so now these guys, a lot of

940
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: them were no longer criminals. They owned plantations, they owned

941
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: legit businesses, and there seemed to be a rule of

942
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: imperfect law spreading throughout the Caribbean. And that's kind of

943
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: that's kind of the story.

944
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: But it is it's so interesting. It's like we started

945
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: with all of this pillage and violence, and I'm going

946
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: to come back to this thing that I think we

947
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: were both taken by the legal version of piracy is

948
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 2: almost like as much more of a free for all

949
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 2: than this version, at least of the illegal version, right,

950
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's fascinating, and there's a.

951
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: Lot of there's a lot of stuff we found for

952
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: tangents and trivia that we might save for a future episode.

953
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: I think we'll call the Day now. Oh, one fact,

954
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: we can say the eye patch wasn't always to cover

955
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: up a damaged eye, because there were no electric lights

956
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: and it could be dangerous to have a lot of lights.

957
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: Inside a wooden ship.

958
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: Often the eye patch was used to keep one eye

959
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 1: in the dark, so that when you suddenly ran below deck,

960
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: you could take the patch off and your eye would

961
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: already be used to low light.

962
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: Way. Yeah, that's always. That's literally just tabby something brand new.

963
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: I assumed it was maybe for like sharp shooting, you know, yeah, maybe,

964
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: But I love this idea that it was to help,

965
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: you know, have your eye quickly already adjusted to the dark.

966
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: That's very interesting.

967
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: Or else they were all just very bad at not

968
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: hitting things with it.

969
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: Who knows, Yeah, who knows.

970
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: We can't wait to We can't wait to explore more strange,

971
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: ridiculous things with you, folks. We want to give a big,

972
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: big thanks to our super producer and Assassin's Create consultant

973
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: mister Max Williams and Noel I gotta I gotta tell you.

974
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you too. If you had been press

975
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: ganged into the Royal Navy and a pirate ship came

976
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: by and robbed your ship and said, hey, do you

977
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: want to join with us?

978
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: What would you do? Peep pee a little probably, and

979
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: then just say whatever you say, sirs. I'll be your stooge,

980
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: I'll be your I'll be your Schmie. Play nice until

981
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: you can get the shore, right. Yeah, I'd probably be

982
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: a bit of a Shmi figure.

983
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: I remember Schmi that was from Pirates of the Caribbean, right,

984
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: believe Peter Pan, Peter Pan.

985
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

986
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: Another another we could maybe do an episode on Peter

987
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: Pan because.

988
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 2: That is a messed up or story as well. Story

989
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: for another day. Yeah. I think it's called what Finding Neverland?

990
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: I think that the book about it. It's very very sad,

991
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: but yeah, man, thank you for this. This pirate's romp Ben,

992
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: who by the way, has also served as the research

993
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: executive on this particular episode. So much cool stuff in

994
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: the world of piracy, and I literally learned like six

995
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: new things today, so thank you.

996
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: And big big thanks dude, Jonathan Strickland, Wait heally gets one,

997
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: keep that part.

998
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: In thanks, big big, big thanks of course.

999
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: Chris Arrassio deceives, Jeffco, Alex Williams who composed this slap

1000
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: and Bob and big thanks to you.

1001
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: Noel looks like, I don't know.

1002
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: I think maybe we stick with podcasting for now before

1003
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: we stick full.

1004
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: Pirate gamy pirate radio. Let's try that. We'll see next

1005
00:58:53,240 --> 00:59:03,439
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1006
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,600
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1007
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,800
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1008
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