1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. As always, thank you 3 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in and thanks to our super 4 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: producer Casey Pegram, our guest producer Andrew Howard, and I 5 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: guess thanks to the British This. This is a weird one. 6 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: This is the epitome of ridiculous. Yeah it is ben 7 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm no, Um, yeah it's Uh. It's ridiculous for for 8 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: multiple reasons, first and foremost being the name of the thing. Um, 9 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: it was a gonad and get it out of the way. 10 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: Today's episode is about a weapon that sounds like it 11 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: came out of a Doctor Seuss book, not only in 12 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: the name, but also in the design. Uh. It was 13 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: called the Grand Panjandrum. Yes, the Grand Panjandrum, which, through 14 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: a series of bizarre events, is an actual word today. 15 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: It's one that I had not heard before we began 16 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: researching today's episode. It reminded me of it felt like, yeah, 17 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: Dr Seus's works. It felt like it would also maybe 18 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: be in a Riyard Kipling poem. Uh. This If you 19 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: were to categorize Ridiculous History episodes by genre, this would 20 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: squarely be in the genre of who on Earth thought 21 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: this was a good idea? So greenlit this picture right right. So, 22 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: war has a long and storied history of sparking invention. 23 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: It's a horrific thing that leads to atrocities, but it 24 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: all so leads to remarkable breakthroughs, at least as some 25 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 1: of the most extraordinary moments of human ingenuity. War has 26 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: given us countless medical breakthroughs, countless technological breakthroughs. The list 27 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: goes on. But one thing that you will know very 28 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: well if you are a long time listener of ridiculous 29 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: history or stuff they don't want you to know, is 30 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: that the success rate for unorthodox ideas is very, very low. 31 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: For every nuclear bomb, every working plane, let us assure you, folks, 32 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: there are hundreds, if not thousands, of other ideas that 33 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: should have never left the drawing board. Yeah, you're talking 34 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: about innovation and war yielding such incredible technological advancements and 35 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: like the triumph of the human spirit and problem solving 36 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: and creating new paths to you know, cultural and dominance 37 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: as a species. Well, this ain't one of them. The panjandrum, 38 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: it's not. It basically looks like a giant industrial spool 39 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: like you might see like wire attached to or perhaps 40 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: like you know, rigged up to a giant crane or 41 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: something like that. Uh. What it essentially is is a 42 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 1: rolling bomb, right Uh. And and like when we say 43 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: rolling bomb, that doesn't mean it wasn't like it wouldn't 44 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: explode as I mean it would. I guess each like 45 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: step on the wheel had a rocket that would shoot 46 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: as it rolled, and I'm assuming that would also propel 47 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: it and make it go faster. But also like in 48 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: a line, it reminds me of that circle shaped ship 49 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: in uh Prometheus that everyone ragged on it because like 50 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: the woman just running in a straight line from a 51 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: circle shaped ship that's coming after, She's gonna just sidestep 52 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: one way or the other and been totally fine. But 53 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, it would have robbed us of all that 54 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: amazing drama. But yeah, how did the Panjandrum project come 55 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: to be in the first place for this like rolling 56 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: rocket bomb? Yeah? Yes, the rockets were meant to propel 57 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: the wheels and they could make it go pretty fast, 58 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: but there were there were some basic problems of physics, 59 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: similar to that boat we talked about that would just 60 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: fire off and then send itself spinning exactly exactly. So, yeah, 61 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: this this gave about due to desperation and fear. We'll 62 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: talk a little more in detail about this, but essentially, 63 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: during World War Two, the Nazi Party and Hitler, they 64 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: were creating this gigantic wall, this barrier that would prevent 65 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: Allied forces from moving further into Europe. So the eggheads 66 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: got together then the British scientists and military minds of 67 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: the day, and they said, we need something to break 68 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,679 Speaker 1: through this thing, this concrete Atlantic Wall, and we need 69 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: it to make a large enough break in the wall 70 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: such that tanks can drive through. So you know, we've 71 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: articulated the problem, they said, So now we know what 72 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: we need to try to solve, and that's how the 73 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: Great pan Jan Drum came to be. They said, we 74 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: can use machinery instead of just throwing young British men 75 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: at the problem and you know, racking up a butcher's bill. 76 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: So their their intentions were good, which is very important 77 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: for you to know as we get into just what 78 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: a dumb idea this was. So let's say it's a 79 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: little after nineteen forties, Adolph Hitler and co. Have overrun 80 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: France and several other Western European countries, and Hitler, or 81 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: more likely one of his uh one of his handlers, 82 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: knows that the Allies are going to try to invade 83 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: the European continent, attack through those occupied countries, destroy the 84 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,679 Speaker 1: Nazi regime. They just didn't know when this would happen. 85 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: I don't know where this would happen. And there was 86 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: a huge battle of spycraft to give fake communication and 87 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: mislead the other side. So that's why Hitler said, you 88 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: know what, China had it right. We're going to build 89 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: a wall, and they ended up building the world second. 90 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: I believe it is the second largest fortified barrier. That's right, 91 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: second only, of course to the Great Wall of China, 92 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: which is miles long. Have you ever been visited the 93 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: Great Wall of China been? I know you've traveled in 94 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: Asia plenty. I have not yet visited. It's on my list. 95 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: Although our friend of the show and co host of 96 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: Stuff Mom never told you in Savor, Andy Reese has 97 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: visited China, has seen the Great Wall that has some 98 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: fantastic stories about it. Isn't it true that you can 99 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: see it from satellite imagery because it's such a it 100 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: creates like a pattern because it's so large. Yeah, you 101 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: made an important distinction there. Role there. There's a myth 102 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: that says you can see the Great Wall of China 103 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: from space, and that is true, that you can see 104 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: it from a satellite, but if you're an astronaut, you 105 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: probably won't be able to see it without technological aid. 106 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: If you squint a little bit, that fuzzy thing down there, 107 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: maybe it's the Great Wall. No, it's true. Yeah, you 108 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: can even look it up on Google Earth and see it. 109 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: Pretty impressive stuff. This German Atlantic Barrier was not nearly 110 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: as impressive, but it still had its charms and that 111 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: it was made of seven foot thick concrete and it 112 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: spanned the entire European coastline, or at least a pretty 113 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: large portion of it. And Britain's navy was looking for, 114 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: like we said, a way of crashing through this thing 115 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: and and being able to let the troops through and 116 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 1: and you know, with all the Kucherman that goes along 117 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: with that, including tanks and weaponry. And to do this 118 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: they developed this thing called the Great pan Jan Drum, which, 119 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: just to be a little more specific, if you don't 120 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: every already have a good mental image of it. It's 121 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: to ten foot tall wheels. They're linked by like a 122 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: fulcrum kind of situation. But again, like I think a 123 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: spool is the best way of referring to it, or 124 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: like a double sided wheel, and it's linked by this 125 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: drum that carried four thousand pounds of explosives. So the 126 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: rockets were exclusively for propulsion to make it just blast 127 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: forward at a breakneck speed. And then I'm assuming Ben 128 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: that the impact is what would cause the detonation. Yeah, 129 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: once it hits that barrier, that would cause the explosion. 130 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: In their defense, the rockets did actually propel this contraption 131 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: that would call the contraption at highway speed, and everybody 132 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: was on board with this. Everybody said we should at 133 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: least build it and test it out because this could 134 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: be a quick, efficient way to storm the beach. We 135 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: can save people's lives. This idea come from a British 136 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: wing commander named C. R. Finch Noise, the name I 137 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: quite like he had already earned some stripes as a 138 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: designer because he created the damn Buster bouncing bombs that 139 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: the Royal Air Force used to wreck to German Damn's 140 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 1: in ninety three when they started building the pan Jan 141 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: drum Finch noise was inspired by a nonsensical piece of 142 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: prose from an eighteenth century dramatist named Samuel Foote foot 143 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: with an e, and he was like kind of a 144 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: Lewis Carrol Edward Lear sort of dude. He wrote the 145 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: following passage, which we are going to edit a little because, 146 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: as the Internet says, it aged like milk. And here's 147 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: what we did. We're doing whimsical voices too. So as 148 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: she went to the garden to cut the cabbage leaf 149 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: to make an apple pie, at the same time a 150 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: great chebag coming up the street, Pops said into the shop, 151 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: what so? So he died, and she very imprudently married 152 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: the barber, and they were present the plank lead it 153 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: that word the job lilies, and they got ruelies and 154 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: the great panjandrum himself with the little round button at top, 155 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: and they all failed to play in the game of 156 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: catches catch can to the gunpowder ran out at the 157 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: heels of their boots. What such whimsy and low key 158 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: racism with that word he took out, people can probably 159 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: it kind of sounds like picnic. Let's just put it 160 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: that way, if you're looking for what that word might 161 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: be a weird one, to be sure, but but sort 162 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: of jumbled in with all these nonsense words. Actually, it's 163 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: funny that you said, Louis Carroll type figured Benny when 164 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: I said at the top of the show, this thing 165 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: sounds like something out of a a Dr. Seuss book. 166 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: It also kind of sounds like something they could have 167 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: been in, like the Jabberwalkee, you know, like, yeah, for sure, 168 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: the great Panjandrum himself. But it's literally sounds like they're describing, 169 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: or he's describing sort of would ended up being the 170 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: kind of mechanic behind the thing, right until the gunpowder 171 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: ran out of the heels of their boots, which makes 172 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: me think of like, you know, having rocket boots or 173 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: something like that, right, yeah, exactly. This word is described 174 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: by the O. E. D. The Oxford English Dictionary as 175 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: something that was coined in seventeen fifty four or fifty 176 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: five by Foot to test the memory of one of 177 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: his fellow actors, a guy named Charles Macklin. Macklin had 178 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: bragged that he could repeat absolutely anything after only hearing 179 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: it once, and so the story goes Foot made this 180 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: up to test him and say like, well, how do 181 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: you do with nonsense words, my pal? And eventually Panjandrum, 182 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: which started as a joke a nonsense word, became a 183 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: household word, and now O E D has a kind 184 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: of tricky definition for it, because mockery is built into it, 185 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: like it's supposed to be a joke word, even the 186 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: it's a real word, which is kind of weird, right, 187 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: So the official definition in the Oxford English Dictionary is 188 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: a mock title for a mysterious, frequently imaginary personage of 189 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: great power or authority, a pompous or pretentious official, a 190 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: self important person in authority. Kind of reminds me of 191 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: like the Great Gazoo from from the Flintstones. Remember the 192 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: Great Gazoo. He was like an alien. He was like 193 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: a little green alien guy, and he hung out with 194 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: Fred flint Stone and could like tell the future and stuff. 195 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, the Great Panjandrum probably hung out with a 196 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: great gazoo. It reminds me of Grand Puba that also 197 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: could be. Yeah, for sure, that was in the Royal 198 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: Order of the of the Water Buffalo. So then the 199 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: word kind of, as words do, grew to have its 200 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: own meeting from a complete nonsense word to you know, 201 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: official entry in the Oxford English Dictionary, to now a 202 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: new meeting which was a ceremonial fuss or formality rigamarole affair. 203 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: I am definitely using this in my next work meeting. 204 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: I'll be like, you know, we've got a lot of 205 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: panjandrum going on, right seriously. Yeah, it's a real pandemic 206 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: of panjandrum. Um. It's like this has become a great panjandrum. 207 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: This meeting has devolved into a great panjandrum. I like it. No, 208 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: it's fun. We learned, we're learning stuff here in ridiculous history. 209 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: And then of course, you know it, it became this 210 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: weird weapon that looked like a giant like sewing spool, 211 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, with dynamite inside of it and rockets to 212 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: propel it forward at a great speeds. So in nineteen 213 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: forty three, near the end of the year, the Directorate's 214 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: which is what has that done? That's like a formal 215 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: name for like leadership of the British Army, the Directorate 216 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: of Miscellaneous Weapons Development. I love that sounds. That's so 217 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: British sounding. They began to test out prototypes in London 218 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: and actually a haul day and a giant truck too. 219 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: What what is Westward Ho? Westward Ho is the actual 220 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: name of the village. That's amazing. It has an exclamation 221 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: mark in it. Yes, okay, sorry, I don't I wouldn't 222 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: have usually let that go through me sounding so confused, 223 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: but I think it actually works here because yeah, I 224 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: thought was that like the name of the trucking company 225 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: or something, you know what. No, yeah, Westward Ho exclamation mark. 226 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: I adore it. And it was a seaside village in 227 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: southern England, much like where the Allies stormed the beach 228 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: would go on to storm the beaches at Normandy. Yeah, 229 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: it makes sense to test it there because the geographical 230 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: conditions are similar at least so. The Panjantrum is a 231 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: big thing. It's not super easy to move if the 232 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: rockets aren't lit. It has those two wheels that were 233 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: mentioning there, each ten feet tall, and they're rimmed with 234 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: seventy cordyke rockets in These rockets are technically slow burning 235 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: so that they can propel the whole contraption. Gerald Powell, 236 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: in The Secret War Through writes about the Panjatrum in 237 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: depth and He says that thankfully for testing, the engineers 238 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: packed that drum that axel with sand instead of explosives, 239 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: and Powell also notes, quote this may be the smartest 240 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: thing anyone in the project ever did, because from the 241 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: very first test it was clear that they had some 242 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: other things they needed to think through. One of the 243 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: first things is that beaches and shorelines have sand, and 244 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: sand is famously difficult to get a good purchase on. Yeah, 245 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: it really is. It probably should have tested on like 246 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: tennis courts or something like that, because he really do 247 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: need a solid foundation for this thing to go. Otherwise, 248 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm picturing it like a cartoon character running it rapid 249 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: speed on a beach and digging itself into the into 250 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: the grounds, you know what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. It 251 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: also makes me think of this is one of those 252 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: Internet famous clips, or it's even a category of clip 253 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: now where people are lighting fireworks and like a dog 254 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: wants to play, and so they grab one of the 255 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: fireworks in their mouths and they're running around like it's 256 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: a stick, but the fire was one of those that 257 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: shoots out the balls of fireworks. Yeah, Roman candle, that's 258 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: the one end uh, And then the rest of the 259 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: family is running away from this like insanely happy terrier 260 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: has become an agent of chaos. Uh in, yes, exactly 261 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: right in uh And we have a dog that plays 262 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: a role in the story today and this excellent article 263 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm Wired from about just how poorly this gadget worked. 264 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: They call it the explosive equivalent of a loose garden 265 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: hose at full power if you don't account for that 266 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: sand So quickly they realize, you know, a giant two 267 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: wheel thing just flying around, shooting off rockets and exploding 268 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: uncontrollably would maybe not be a huge help. It might 269 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: actually make things worse because it would be as much 270 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: danger to the British troops as to the German forces 271 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: and the Atlantic Wall. So yeah, weapon you can't control, 272 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: it's not much of a weapon, uh you know. Or again, 273 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: it's like that circle ship with the cannons on all 274 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: sides that was absolutely useless. At least that one would 275 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: just take you for like a weird kind of theme 276 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: park type ride. This one could actually literally backfire on you. Yes, yeah, 277 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: it could literally backfire on you. The guy was the 278 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: lead of the project at the time, Nevill Shoot Norway 279 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: he may He said, something I thought was logical. He said, 280 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: why would just put a third wheel on it, you know, 281 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: more wheels will be more stability. That did not help. 282 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: So then they said, okay, let's try to steer it 283 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: with these ginormous cables. But that didn't help because uh 284 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: and being unfair. It helped a little bit, but it 285 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: couldn't make up for the problem of the rolling resistance 286 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: and how it changed on the beach, so one wheel 287 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: would always go faster than the other, which of course 288 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: would make the whole thing turn. And the rockets were 289 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: supposed to stay on the wheels. But the thing is, 290 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: when it reached full speed around sixty miles, those rockets 291 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: inevitably detached from the outer wheels, making them even more dangerous. 292 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: They were just flying off. This thing was coming apart 293 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: essentially as soon as you turned it on. Yeah. Yeah, 294 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: it was not a very pretty scene. Essentially, they realized 295 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: that they had created a monster, an unhinged, you know, 296 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: explosive bull in a China chop situation. They immediately lost 297 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: control over. They referred to Uh. There's a amazing article 298 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: on war history online dot com that refers to as 299 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: a giant two wheeled weapon flying around shooting off rockets uncontrollably. 300 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: That that's about about sums it up. It would post 301 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: easily as much danger to the Brits as as it 302 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: would to the enemy. So a second test was in order, 303 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: and you know, surprise, surprise, it didn't go particularly well either. Again, 304 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: the Directorate, in all and their infinite wisdom, made some adjustments, 305 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: and then in in the autumn and then again in January, 306 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: they decided to do another like big high profile test 307 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: to run in front of like the top leadership of 308 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: the military Pan the pan exactly the great Panjandrums indeed themselves. 309 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: So how that one go? Ben? Well, h we have 310 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: a couple of quotes. You may recognize this as something 311 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: that you might see in America's Funniest Home videos. Unfortunately, 312 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: the start the rockets blazing, and then, according to James 313 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: Moore and Paul Nero in Pigeon guided Missiles and other 314 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: ideas that never took off, quote, the Panjandrum hurtled from 315 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: the sea and wondrous speed sparks flying from its rockets. 316 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: But then old habits kicked in as the rockets dislodged, 317 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: the Panjandrum spun and shock replaced the confidence of those 318 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: attending generals fled for cover. The official cameraman was almost 319 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: mown down, and the Panjandrum rockets flailing wheels ablaze disintegrated. 320 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: I think there's an even there's another description that I 321 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: enjoy even more about this second test from an scene, Nold, 322 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: do you want to do the honors on this one? Oh, 323 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: I'd love to bend there. I mean, they really, like, 324 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: you know, pulled out all the stops for this demo. 325 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: They had a documentary film crew on hand, and an 326 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: onlooker gave this account a clamp gave first one, then 327 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: two more rockets broke free. Panjandrum began to lurch ominously. 328 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: It hit a line of small craters in the sand. 329 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: It began to turn to starboard, careening toward the filmmaker, 330 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: who viewing events through a telescopic lens, misjudged the distance 331 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: and continued filming. Hearing the approaching roar, he looked up 332 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: from his viewfinder to see Panjandrum shedding live rockets in 333 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: all directions heading for him. Oh man, what a what 334 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: a moment of realization of like doom? Did did he 335 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: make it? Ben? The observer made it? H The humans 336 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: weren't harmed. But going back to my earlier reference of 337 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: dogs playing with fireworks, one army officer brought his pooch 338 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: with him and the dog saw one of these loose 339 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: rockets making its merry exclusive way down the beach, and 340 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: the dog chased it, and the panjandrum, of course, didn't 341 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: make it. This test was the end of the road 342 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: for that, But we still aren't completely sure what happened 343 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: to the dogs. Some people say the dog was almost 344 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: killed and narrowly escaped, and some people say the dog 345 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: may have been the unfortunate, one and only fatality of 346 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: the great pan Jan Drum. But here's the thing. Okay, 347 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: so first off this is we have to understand the context. 348 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: These people were serious. They were trying unorthodox, innovative solutions. 349 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: I applaud that. I think we all can. But this 350 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: is a hilariously bad idea, right, this is a quite 351 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: literally ridiculous idea. But still someone brought it back at 352 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: the Apple Door book Festival of all places, in two 353 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: thousand and nine. I love a good book festival. Then 354 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: the decatured as a really nice book festival that'll be 355 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: fun to go to after everyone's all nice and vaxed up. 356 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: I look forward to that. It's a nice summer events. 357 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, the Apple Door book Festival. In two thousand nine, 358 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: to mark the sixty five anniversary of D Day, UH 359 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: fireworks company perfect Fit here Ben created a small a 360 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: scale model of the thing, fitted with fireworks instead of 361 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: explosed those obviously, and it was lit and deployed on 362 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: that same beach in Westward Ho and it went straight 363 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: for about fifty meters before it fizzled out short of 364 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 1: what where they were hoping to get it too, So 365 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: even in its smaller, more kind of level headed version, 366 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: it still didn't didn't really do the trick. No, no, 367 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: but you know it's a that I would argue is 368 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: a good way to liven up a book festival. Right. 369 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 1: So so there's that, And there's one little piece of epilogue. 370 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: You may not have heard of the Republic of Malassia, 371 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: which is completely surrounded by territory of the US to 372 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: only eleven point three acres. It's one of the small 373 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: stations under Earth. But it's called a micro nation, right 374 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: and never heard that term before. It's not recognized. It's 375 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: like the principality of ceilings. It's not recognized by the 376 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: UN or anything. But they've been working on a Panjandrum 377 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: for a number of years, so that might be what 378 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: turns the tide and gets the international recognition. I'm having 379 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: a hard time fiction. I don't think it's gonna I 380 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna happen for him. Uh, it seems 381 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: like a it's a weird one. They were, they not 382 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: paying attention to history, but they don't know what people 383 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: say about history repeating itself. Well, I say, god speed, 384 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: you know, more power to them. I hope, I hope 385 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: they get it right this time. But yeah, they were 386 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: working on that as recently as this year or last year. 387 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: Rather April eleven, the they tested the Great Panjandrum there 388 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: for a second time at a secret weapons facility deep 389 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: in the desert, and there was an original design flaw 390 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: that that had a weak axle that had been fixed 391 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: since the very first test, which was in and much 392 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: like this extra reminds me a lot. I remember that 393 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: that train collision race. You know, they had like a 394 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: public it was like a thing at a fair, like 395 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: a you know, World's fair kind of situation. I can't 396 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: remember exactly what the details were, but yeah, there was 397 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: an assembled crowd watching this test. And here's the thing 398 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: that makes the most sense about all this and why 399 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: this would be hard. You're launching it on the ground 400 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: and your calculations have to be really precise or else 401 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna like go askew. That's exactly what it did. 402 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: It apparently barreled right into the crowd, and much like 403 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: that train situation when you know they collided and debris 404 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: and you know, just act like shrapnel, the sort of 405 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: shooting everywhere. People were leaping for safety and thankfully no 406 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: one was hurt, just as as was the case with 407 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: the original. But it does not seem to have gone 408 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: in the in the way they were hoping, And I'm 409 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: surprised they didn't just learn from the mistakes of the 410 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: British and realize, maybe this isn't the best use of 411 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: our time and resources. Well, perhaps they can try out 412 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: some other terrible ideas from mill It's erries of yester years, 413 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: such as the Iceberg Navy, the bat Bob, or the 414 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: nov Garov, which is that circular Russian vessel we were 415 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: talking about earlier. You can read more about all of 416 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: these in a great article by Mental Flaws called eight 417 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: other bizarre weapons that failed spectacularly. That is our gift 418 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: to you Navy of Molossia. Indeed, and hey, you know what, 419 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: and I I'm actually I'm gonna many a little crow here. Um. 420 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: It does turn out that the Molossian Navy did have 421 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: two successful launches of the Panjandrum, one during an evening 422 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: events that went well. The the article on Molossia dot org, 423 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: which you can find yourself and loss is pretty easy. 424 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: You're a Milossy dot org slash Navy slash Panjandrum dot html. Um. 425 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: So again this is you know, from the micro nation themselves. 426 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: But the way they describe it as very grand sounding 427 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: as is befitting the great Panjandrum a profound success. The 428 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,479 Speaker 1: Panjandrum had one final test, a nighttime launch, this one 429 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: spectacularly as the mighty machine charged across the desert floor, 430 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: rockets blazing in the twilight. And I'd like to add 431 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: as a last word there, I am personally fascinated with 432 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: micro nations. I believe our colleagues and stuff you should know. Uh, Palas, 433 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: Josh and Chuck have a great episode on micro nations. 434 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: H if you want to reach out and just talk 435 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: with us about micro nations. I am super down. You 436 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: can find us to talk about micro nations any old 437 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: time you'd like, or weird military ideas of guests or 438 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: year on our Facebook page Ridiculous Historians. Thank you so 439 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: much to Casey Pegram, our super producer. Thank you to 440 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: our guest producer Andrew Howard. Thank you to our own 441 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: great panjandrum and actual like uh unlike the great Panjandrum 442 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: our research associate Gabels actually works and is spectacular, So Gabe, 443 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: if you're hearing this, thanks to you, man. Huge thanks 444 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: to Alex Illiams, who composed our theme. Christopher hastiots here 445 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: in spirit. Congratulations on being a new dad for the 446 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: second time. How cool is that? Um? We miss you Christopher, 447 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: and now on your back up, we hope to have 448 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: you on the show Lickety Split. Um and man, thanks 449 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: to you, Ben. This has been a great couple episodes. 450 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: I hope everyone enjoyed them this week because I sure did. 451 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: And Jen drum Indeed, that's it. That's my contribution and 452 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: it's absolutely fitting. End. We'll see you next time, folks. 453 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: For more podcasts for my Heart Radio, visit the i 454 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app. Apple podcast or wherever you listen to 455 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.