Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: These are some of our favorite segments from this week,
Speaker 1: all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Uh yeah, So,
Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. I am
Speaker 1: all right, mob. We are thrilled to be joined by
Speaker 1: a brilliant poet, political activist, academic MC and podcast host
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Speaker 1: It's the brilliant, the talented Jason Petty aka Propaganda.
Speaker 3: What up, y'all?
Speaker 4: I might as well continue to tradition here, you know,
Speaker 4: propaganda aka only win I get an email from and uh.
Speaker 5: I'm on the daily Zi guys, I my name by
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Speaker 1: Cold pro coffee.
Speaker 6: That's prop a courtesy of me.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That was a joint right there. Man. I was like, listen,
Speaker 6: I keep them in the holster like true MC. Yeah?
Speaker 6: How many man?
Speaker 3: You ever?
Speaker 6: Like? How many writtens do you ever? Like? If I'm
Speaker 6: sure you know you go to freestyle battles and stuff,
Speaker 6: how many writtens would you have in your back pocket?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: I mean I come from the age where you're not
Speaker 4: supposed to have Yeah, yeah, I know in your back socket,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But but you get like
Speaker 4: you it's more like you have like a grab bag
Speaker 4: of like four bar eight bar some fish things in there.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, if you get lost, you can pull something
Speaker 4: out of there, right right. But yeah, but like a
Speaker 4: full verse, someone's gonna catch you, you know, and then
Speaker 4: then you can never come back.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I remember being like really disappointed when I used to
Speaker 6: think like mixtape freestyles were actual freestyles like get back
Speaker 6: in the day, and like, no, they're workshopping like other
Speaker 6: material that's going to end up on the track and
Speaker 6: for the real head that was on that, that was
Speaker 6: on that our deadline, Yeah, those are that Green Lantern mixtape.
Speaker 4: Yeah I know, yeah, that kind of that kind of
Speaker 4: goes to like what we're going to talk about later
Speaker 4: on that attitude.
Speaker 6: Yeah, talk about that when we get there, sure for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, what we are talking about today is
Speaker 1: hip hop. It is the fiftieth anniversary.
Speaker 6: We're going to just talk.
Speaker 1: General thoughts on Yeah, how to go fifty years in Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so what do we like? We just listened to
Speaker 1: some hip hop and we're all getting back together. What
Speaker 1: do we think? What is something from your search history?
Speaker 7: Well it's pretty dark. Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go okay, yeah, it's not even new and
Speaker 2: yet let's.
Speaker 1: Go just like about that jkrewlling joke real quick.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm ready, get you a good place I can
Speaker 2: bring it down.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So my last weekend news I tried to pitch the
Speaker 2: story that we never were able to do because we
Speaker 2: didn't get a call back. But I was living and
Speaker 2: working in Baltimore at the time and the like beloved
Speaker 2: giraffe at the zoo died and I wanted to know
Speaker 2: what they do with zoo animals when they die, Like
Speaker 2: do they have a draft funeral? Do they bury them?
Speaker 2: Is there a draft graveyard? Like what happens to them?
Speaker 2: And we never got a call back, and it's been
Speaker 2: bothering me for years, so very recently I googled it
Speaker 2: and apparently they all get cremated, but not for reasons
Speaker 2: that you might think. They get cremated so that people
Speaker 2: can't sell their body parts like on the black market.
Speaker 6: Oh and get like a giraffe skeleton. You're like, nobody's
Speaker 6: getting this Skelly right.
Speaker 7: If we can't have it, you can't either.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is so selfish. I want to buy a
Speaker 1: draft skeleton.
Speaker 7: That's very tall ceilings in your apartment.
Speaker 6: Do they have horns? What's the ship on the top
Speaker 6: of their head?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Some of them have like those little.
Speaker 7: Guys antennas for Wi Fi Oh.
Speaker 6: Yeah five g Yeah, yeah, those aren't because they have
Speaker 6: ears and them like knobs too, right, mm hmm. Okay,
Speaker 6: that's that's my that's my stupid question that I want
Speaker 6: to contribute to this discussion about giraffe anatomy, giraffe head knobs.
Speaker 6: We'll see what comes up that. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, awesome. Where can I buy them?
Speaker 7: Zoo?
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, Google giraffe olsome cones for sale.
Speaker 1: So wait, did you google the shopping tab of Google
Speaker 1: or did you image results?
Speaker 2: Actually on Facebook marketplace. They're very friends to the black market, right.
Speaker 6: Wait, so at the time when you were covering that
Speaker 6: story to the the giraffe just kind of passed away
Speaker 6: to the natural, natural causes. It wasn't like a dubious
Speaker 6: or drug death, was it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Fentanel's really imfiltrating the Zoo.
Speaker 6: Yeah no, I think.
Speaker 7: Either side of natural causes.
Speaker 2: Actually, okay, wait on that same subject, do you guys
Speaker 2: know this like Famous hippo Fiona is like, I think
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Zoo.
Speaker 1: I am not no, I'm nope, mill oat, yes, okay.
Speaker 6: Go on.
Speaker 7: Hippo content is huge on the internet.
Speaker 2: Fiona is a slab and apparently like that's the same
Speaker 2: zoo that Harambe was shot at. So they've just done
Speaker 2: this whole rebrand with his hippo and I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: you can't like get away from your dark past.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, wow Cincinnati. So are they just like cranking
Speaker 6: out stars at the Cincinnati Zoo or something.
Speaker 7: Apparently they got a really good pr team.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah for real.
Speaker 1: When I google Cincinnati Zoo hippo, I see that they're
Speaker 1: mourning the loss of Henry the hippo oh fag at
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen.
Speaker 6: Oh twenty seventeen.
Speaker 7: Okay, well they probably killed him.
Speaker 1: The father of Famous Fiona, Oh Fiona's father.
Speaker 6: Oh you hate this, you hate to see it.
Speaker 1: They're kind of setting us up for a disaster because
Speaker 1: hippos are you know, they they will kill motherfucker. Like real,
Speaker 1: They're they're very deadly in the right circumstances. So that
Speaker 1: was like my one little kid like annoying factoid.
Speaker 6: Would I say, like, hippos are actually the most dangerous,
Speaker 6: like if like to humans, it's not this or that,
Speaker 6: but yeah, that's what they do.
Speaker 1: It's what they do besides mosquitoes. That's my kid's favorite
Speaker 1: fact right now. Mosquito animal is mosquitoes.
Speaker 6: Because you're going very narrow for like blood born illnesses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, which my younger kid up because he gets
Speaker 1: a lot of mosquito bites. He's got that sweet sweet
Speaker 1: blood that the mosquitoes prey.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so nothing nothing you can do sitting in bed
Speaker 1: waiting for mosquitos to come and bite you to death.
Speaker 6: But he doesn't, like, he doesn't fuck with him, be like, oh,
Speaker 6: you know, like you could get you know what you
Speaker 6: could get from that massaine.
Speaker 1: I think he does, like and we're not around it
Speaker 1: would be my guess, yes, as an effect that my
Speaker 1: youngest hair has turned completely white.
Speaker 7: Second word was zeka.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's something that you think is overrated?
Speaker 8: DIY projects? Do you ever watch those YouTube videos and
Speaker 8: it's like the guys I was doing backyard work and
Speaker 8: he's like Oh, I'm just gonna level the sand out
Speaker 8: with a couple of little PBC pipes and so two
Speaker 8: by four and then you know, I'm gonna wrap it
Speaker 8: up for the day and then come back in. They
Speaker 8: never show you what happens afterward. They didn't show you,
Speaker 8: like the couple's therapy that that man had to go
Speaker 8: into after he ignored his wife for two days. And
Speaker 8: so my wife looks at these and we try to
Speaker 8: do a backyard project and it's not the same. I
Speaker 8: looked at these, you it looks so easy. All of
Speaker 8: a sudden, it's like one hundred and five degrees. I'm
Speaker 8: holding like a fifty pound two by two concrete paver,
Speaker 8: and I'm like, I don't know how to level this sand.
Speaker 8: This was a total mistake. She's pregnant, she doesn't she
Speaker 8: can't hate, She literally can't help, and so she's just
Speaker 8: trying to tell me what to do. I was like,
Speaker 8: you don't know how hard this is, and cut.
Speaker 1: To we're carrying something heavy around for a long period
Speaker 1: of time.
Speaker 9: I did what like, and then cut to we're like
Speaker 9: yelling at our couple's therapists, like you don't even know
Speaker 9: what's going on in this backyard. It's like it almost
Speaker 9: ruined us, just this one tiny backyard project.
Speaker 8: I was like, these DIY videos are all scamps. They
Speaker 8: don't show you the editing, they don't show you anything
Speaker 8: else that happens. How many takes did he have to
Speaker 8: do to get that level sand I don't know.
Speaker 6: They also don't show the decades of work and repetitions
Speaker 6: these people put in to make it look so fucking
Speaker 6: You're like, well, that guy just did it in one thing.
Speaker 6: It's like, but he's doing all these computations as he
Speaker 6: does it that he's not even describing in the video.
Speaker 6: Because I feel like all the time, like, oh, this
Speaker 6: would be easy if I like had actual carpentry skills.
Speaker 6: It's not just like like a master apprentice of some kind.
Speaker 6: You know, I didn't know any of this stuff. I
Speaker 6: mean I went to law school. I can I can write,
Speaker 6: I can pinch zoom on a touch screen.
Speaker 8: I can do that very well. I mean that's one
Speaker 8: of the mast Can we see that index and thumbly
Speaker 8: look at that dramatic hand had he just snapped on
Speaker 8: that zoom screen?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Man, Every every DIY project, every cooking thing takes me
Speaker 1: three times as much as the time estimate. Like I
Speaker 1: don't know what's wrong with me, but I am just
Speaker 1: so slow. I have to like watch it, watch it again.
Speaker 1: I'm old. I think is possibly what it is. But
Speaker 1: even like I have a bowling as recipe that is
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at. I've been making it since you know,
Speaker 1: I was in my early twenties, and it doesn't get
Speaker 1: any faster. It's just three hours, all right, this is
Speaker 1: what we're doing all afternoon. Just don't come in the
Speaker 1: kitchen because I'm going to be in there being very slow.
Speaker 1: I also like listen to like I don't I don't
Speaker 1: ever want to focus on the DIY product I'm doing,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to like listen to a book.
Speaker 1: I wanna you know, like catch up on some emails.
Speaker 1: That probably the problem, right.
Speaker 8: The information age has given us this false sense of yes,
Speaker 8: the information is out there, and that means you can
Speaker 8: achieve whatever it's kind of conveying to you. And that's
Speaker 8: not that's not true, Like you shouldn't be doing these
Speaker 8: things like I can't do a wall installment of a
Speaker 8: cabinetry thing just because they did like an eight minute
Speaker 8: YouTube video about it. No, don't do that why should
Speaker 8: I do that. It's not the right thing for me
Speaker 8: to do.
Speaker 1: What is uh, what's something that you think is underrated? Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go? Oh, speaking of here we go, Wow,
Speaker 1: we got a baby, the geist child cometh.
Speaker 6: Hold is that baby? Oh he's about to be six months?
Speaker 8: Oh so cute?
Speaker 1: Yeah, buddy, what's man?
Speaker 6: Hi?
Speaker 1: Look at those cheeks. Look at that baby? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what I mean? Truly the most beautiful baby.
Speaker 6: He's like a Pixar a little baby.
Speaker 1: He is like a little Pixar baby.
Speaker 6: He has like big, like goofy animated eyes.
Speaker 1: He just beautiful, wide open, attentive eyes. Okay, you'd be
Speaker 1: quiet here take that? Take that? Take that. What is
Speaker 1: something you think is underrated?
Speaker 11: A nice cold glass of water?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm, so.
Speaker 6: That's that's ice in my water? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Give me cold water.
Speaker 11: I think a cold nothing. Nothing hits like cold water
Speaker 11: on a hot day.
Speaker 6: I think it's just easier to for whatever reason, it's
Speaker 6: easier to drink. I'm like more motivated to go.
Speaker 11: Have you guys seen those women on like TikTok who
Speaker 11: drink flavored water?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: Are you seeing this?
Speaker 6: Jack like flavor water combos?
Speaker 11: Yeah, And they're like like improving water with these like
Speaker 11: water hacks where they basically just like mix a bunch
Speaker 11: of crystal light into water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get I find it.
Speaker 6: You're drinking you're drinking diluted crystal light or like Neo
Speaker 6: or other people use like fucking like uh like Barista
Speaker 6: syrup pumps and shit. God, I just.
Speaker 11: Can't relate to people that are like, oh, I don't
Speaker 11: really like water. I need water to like taste different.
Speaker 11: It's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 6: Going on?
Speaker 1: Well, I have found that the crystal light flavoring helps
Speaker 1: cover up some of the gamy aftertastes that you get
Speaker 1: from raw water.
Speaker 3: You know, like.
Speaker 1: When you drink your raw water and it kind of
Speaker 1: tastes like sewage because it's like just from a pond
Speaker 1: somewhere that they scooped it out of. It does help
Speaker 1: to have long.
Speaker 11: No, No, that's nutrients shack. Those are the nutrients soup.
Speaker 11: They just get the mitichlorians out. There's something like the
Speaker 11: raw milk people.
Speaker 1: Now yeah, yeah, raw milk people have been replaced by
Speaker 1: raw water people. People wasting insane amounts of money. I
Speaker 1: do feel like we've seen some improvements in like we
Speaker 1: were talking sunscreen applications We've got We've got a bunch
Speaker 1: of stick based sunscreen applications for my kids. Roll on
Speaker 1: and like something that it is like a deodorant stick
Speaker 1: that just makes my life one hundred times easier. And
Speaker 1: there's also the powder thing that, like you powder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like a powder. I mean it's mainly my wife
Speaker 1: uses it, but sometimes we'll just like just shake some
Speaker 1: favor on the on the kiddos before they go out,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 11: Shit, all right, this is one I always say, ever
Speaker 11: since I learned that hippos make their own sunscreen by sweating, Yeah,
Speaker 11: why can't we do that? Wouldn't that make so much
Speaker 11: sense if ore sweat with sunscreen?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, genetically modify us so that hippo is also hippos.
Speaker 11: They sweat red, it looks like blood, So it's just
Speaker 11: a little sunscreen.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I love that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I like the way their their tails just
Speaker 6: launch a bunch of shit everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hippos are the coolest.
Speaker 11: Anyone who just gets to like hang out in the
Speaker 11: water all day.
Speaker 6: Like they're in Palm Springs, just shitting on themselves sweating
Speaker 6: sunscreen's life, just like people on vacation. But you know what,
Speaker 6: Those people pay for it, and these hippos get to.
Speaker 11: Do it for free. Exactly, they're the kings of the jungle.
Speaker 6: Or you pay for ativity, yeah, exactly, you'll pay for
Speaker 6: it with your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 11: If I see a hippo in my pool, yeah, wiggling
Speaker 11: its ears or whatever, I'm gonna kiss it.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I wouldn't do their I wouldn't do the
Speaker 1: kissing because they The other thing I like about hippos
Speaker 1: is that they will bite a human in half.
Speaker 11: Look, look, that's what most people. That's what they do
Speaker 11: to like a normal person. But they can tell I'm cool,
Speaker 11: right right right? They respect you because kiss them. Yeah,
Speaker 11: hippo whisper. Yeah, I'm not a hater. I'm like them.
Speaker 11: I get y'all. Okay, I get you. I'm like one
Speaker 11: of you. I'm like the Grizzly Man. But for hip
Speaker 11: I'm the hippo lady. Yeah, I just want a little kiss.
Speaker 6: You just have this say. I can't wait for that
Speaker 6: documentary to come out about you and the hippos in
Speaker 6: your last Journey to hang out with the hippos like
Speaker 6: Grizzly Man.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's sad that I died kissing
Speaker 11: a hippo, but I had to be me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Warner Werner Herzog presents Hippo Girl.
Speaker 6: As she went tools to Africa for one last time,
Speaker 6: she wanted to feel the embrace of the hippo only foot.
Speaker 11: I just want to do that so that when I die,
Speaker 11: Erner Herzog will like, listen to the tape of my
Speaker 11: death be like, nobody should hear this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Grizzlies really like took their time with that.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like the hit the hippo tape
Speaker 1: would be very He'd like put the headphones in and
Speaker 1: then be like, oh and take them off.
Speaker 6: He's like, oh, you hear her get bitten in here
Speaker 6: here the ball.
Speaker 11: You can hear the exact sound when she's her snaps
Speaker 11: in half.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like when you go to a sushi restaurant
Speaker 6: you pull the chopsticks apart.
Speaker 1: And she's weirdly saying it seems to be fucking enjoying.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I guess the way Jack, you would respond if you're
Speaker 6: just devoured by a great.
Speaker 1: White Yeah, we yes, yes, Yeah, that's what I couldn't respect.
Speaker 1: Quint the way he went out crying and screaming.
Speaker 6: Was enjoying man be present. Please are you.
Speaker 1: Doing John one with.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, God some.
Speaker 11: Spoilers for a movie from nineteen seventy six or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my bad, Joe. All right, jaw let's break and
Speaker 1: then we will check in with the happenings on Capitol
Speaker 1: Hill yesterday, including clear evidence the Mitch McConnell. The McConnell's
Speaker 1: sance is over. He's an MPC. We'll be right back,
Speaker 1: and we're back. We're and the border wall fundraising grift
Speaker 1: was real and the people who pulled it off are
Speaker 1: now facing jail time. One of the We Build the
Speaker 1: Wall fundraising campaign hucksters just received the highest sentence yet
Speaker 1: for the scheme. He's going to spend over five years
Speaker 1: in jail. This is Timothy Sheay of Castle Rock, Colorado,
Speaker 1: which makes him one of the most notorious Castle Rock
Speaker 1: residents not created by Stephen King and other defendants had
Speaker 1: previously pled guilty and received three years and four years.
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon meanwhile, pled not guilty in as a waiting trial.
Speaker 1: So that worms my heart a little bit to him,
Speaker 1: maybe him reading this headline today.
Speaker 6: Yeah fuck fuck fuck he went down too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a I shouldn't be a surprise considering
Speaker 6: that this was such a clear fucking scam from the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but I'm again surprised that this ended up with people
Speaker 6: having to answer for their crimes. Yeah, pleasantly surprised by.
Speaker 1: That he pocketed approximately one hundred and eighty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and was you know, is this scheme to defraud hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of donors so small donations from people who
Speaker 1: couldn't afford it, and he was just like you, yes,
Speaker 1: thank you. He also helped wunder the money through various
Speaker 1: shell companies, so he knew what he was doing and
Speaker 1: did it badly, So congratulations to him. Is this one
Speaker 1: of the fraudsters you're covering, you guys, well cover.
Speaker 8: We covered a little bit of this in between the seasons.
Speaker 8: We do these like fraud wires, which are like news
Speaker 8: stories that come similar to this. We did it when
Speaker 8: it kind of like the earlier criminal complaints came to
Speaker 8: for this story, and I love it because it relates
Speaker 8: to a lot of other things that we've covered. We
Speaker 8: actually did last season. We started with campaign frondsters and
Speaker 8: Trump was one of them. And one of the things
Speaker 8: that I think Donald, I know, I know. Do we
Speaker 8: need a pregnant pause on the show?
Speaker 6: Just let me that's a baseless accusation.
Speaker 8: Do we need a disclaimer? I don't want to get
Speaker 8: you guys in legal trouble here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: But the thing is, you know, I think the corporate
Speaker 8: media has done a disservice to us to a certain
Speaker 8: extent because they've chased everything, but they kind of don't
Speaker 8: talk about the boring stuff that's actually illegal. And so
Speaker 8: this is one of a great example of this was
Speaker 8: a slam dunk from the beginning. You invited people to
Speaker 8: donate to something that was supposed to be a nonprofit
Speaker 8: and all this stuff, and then they didn't even try
Speaker 8: to hide it. They funneled this money out to a
Speaker 8: for profit enterprise within seconds. It was like someone was
Speaker 8: hitting their mouse immediately as the donations were coming in,
Speaker 8: just to get them out of the account. There's another
Speaker 8: great example of Donald Trump. Uh during the herschel Walker
Speaker 8: Raphael Warnock runoff, and Trump would send out these emails
Speaker 8: to raise money for herschel Walker. You'd be subscribed to
Speaker 8: the Trump campaign. You get an email raise money for
Speaker 8: herschel Walker.
Speaker 6: Let's do it.
Speaker 8: And so you click like donate to herschel Walker, you
Speaker 8: go to a page you would talk about Trump, it
Speaker 8: would talk about herschel Walker and say do you want
Speaker 8: to donate? Absolutely all right, So you hit one click
Speaker 8: on your thumb, right, two clicks on your thumb. You're
Speaker 8: at the donation page. And what does it have? It
Speaker 8: has two fields. One is donate to the Donald Trump
Speaker 8: campaign and then a field with you could put in
Speaker 8: a number, and then the below is a field for oh,
Speaker 8: donate to the herschel Walker campaign. But in the two
Speaker 8: fields where you put in the dollar amount, it's pre
Speaker 8: populated in the Donald Trump field with one hundred dollars
Speaker 8: and nothing in the.
Speaker 1: Herschel Walker field.
Speaker 8: So you're just, don't they know. People are just gonna
Speaker 8: be slapping their thumbs just like I do on my
Speaker 8: target Instagram at They're just slapping their thumbs really quickly,
Speaker 8: and they're just gonna scam their way into donating Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: It's instead of getting a cool pair of UFO slippers,
Speaker 1: they get to give their money to donate to Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: Or a Wu Tang clan nixt Jersey.
Speaker 1: Oh did you really tell me?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Oh yeah, we did that on in person. We
Speaker 6: did that one person, but I'm not gonna lie that.
Speaker 6: I saw those the outcast one got served to me
Speaker 6: on the internet and I was like I between Jack
Speaker 6: and I, we honored nineties wrapped basketball love.
Speaker 8: At the end of the day, do you there's a
Speaker 8: part of me that does feel our show is all
Speaker 8: about vulnerable populations that get taken advantage of financially, and
Speaker 8: you can't. I mean, this is gonna sound terrible, but
Speaker 8: the Trump supporters are a vulnerable population and they've been
Speaker 8: scammed and they've been taking advantage of Yes, they're racist,
Speaker 8: Yes they're programmed to hate people and stuff like that
Speaker 8: for Fox News and stuff, but they are a susceptible
Speaker 8: group of people to influence and they have gotten scammed
Speaker 8: over and over and over again. It's just seventy four
Speaker 8: million of them, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, you hate to see it. You just
Speaker 1: don't hate to see it quite as much as you
Speaker 1: do with other vulnerable populations.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In case, well, speaking of vulnerable populations, the fascists who
Speaker 1: are for Ron DeSantis. The job security is not great,
Speaker 1: not at this moment.
Speaker 6: It turns out, it's like I said, like you said
Speaker 6: at the top, it's sole fire in time down at
Speaker 6: the Florida fash factory because you know, recently, earlier this week,
Speaker 6: Desanta's assured supporters and donors, He's like, okay, look, I'm
Speaker 6: firing a third of my staff because it's part of
Speaker 6: a retooling, a great reset, if you will, to make
Speaker 6: my campaign leaner and meaner, to be this like insurgent
Speaker 6: campaign to defeat Donald trumpyeh, okay, whatever. But anyway, one
Speaker 6: of the people who got caught up in the layoffs
Speaker 6: was his speech writer, this guy named Nate Hawkman. And
Speaker 6: at first you're like, okay, fine, a speech writer got off, Sure,
Speaker 6: But if you look deeper, you realize that this guy
Speaker 6: was a fucking Nazi fanboy on the payroll who contributed
Speaker 6: a ton of articles to the National Review. Was like,
Speaker 6: you know, talking all the time about like how dope
Speaker 6: Nick Fuentes is and like other groyper bullshit, and also
Speaker 6: got semi famous for gushing over how Tucker Carlson like
Speaker 6: called him once because he was having a bad time,
Speaker 6: I think because he was like outed as a Nazi.
Speaker 6: And it's also becoming clear that this guy was the
Speaker 6: one who not only shared a video that came out
Speaker 6: recently with a fucking sunenrad or sunwheel, which is like
Speaker 6: a huge part of like Nazi white supremacy psychonography, that
Speaker 6: had DeSantis like super imposed on it. This guy is
Speaker 6: the fucking person who made it. At first, they made
Speaker 6: it seem like they were just sharing something from a fan,
Speaker 6: but now we find out it was coming from inside
Speaker 6: the house. And it's not clear if it's the same
Speaker 6: dude behind the other weird ass videos we've seen come
Speaker 6: out of Ron DeSantis's campaign, but I bet there was, yeah,
Speaker 6: just completely off the wall, like weird covers of Kate
Speaker 6: Bush running up the hill, like just all kinds of weird,
Speaker 6: Like last couple of videos have been really weird too,
Speaker 6: But I have a feeling it probably a good chance
Speaker 6: it may have been this guy too, because of the
Speaker 6: grouper aesthetic and just like the sort of shit posty
Speaker 6: vibe of all the videos. And you know, it's not
Speaker 6: good news for Ron right now.
Speaker 1: He seems pretty fucked, like pretty well fucked. Like every
Speaker 1: mainstream media, every every outlet has just agreed that he's fucked,
Speaker 1: which might be the best thing for him. I still
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to succeed, but probably needs to
Speaker 1: completely retool or do something to change the trajectory. I
Speaker 1: think the biggest problem being that he's just a fucking
Speaker 1: he's just the least charismatic human being you've ever seen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: try and community how.
Speaker 6: The least charismatic nazi out. Yeah, yeah, wow, they're usually
Speaker 6: really animated. But yeah, I think I think it's Yeah again,
Speaker 6: it's it's having like the charisma of like a Manila envelope,
Speaker 6: and also just having no one on your staff who
Speaker 6: has like any kind of real campaign experience. From what
Speaker 6: like I've heard, there's not. He's like hired people who'd
Speaker 6: say things that are not yes, you know, basically, And
Speaker 6: so I think he probably saw this, you know, this
Speaker 6: young guy, and he's like, hey, you're a young can
Speaker 6: you make some cool videos that will resonate? But little
Speaker 6: did he realize, like this guy, this kid is just
Speaker 6: like a like a four Chan shit poster type mentality. So,
Speaker 6: you know, the videos that come out were only really
Speaker 6: resonating with other racist weirdos and not so much expanding
Speaker 6: a bass.
Speaker 8: I would say, nice guy, Nate, are you kidding me?
Speaker 8: Nice guy Nate?
Speaker 11: He did this?
Speaker 8: Nice Nice guy Nate what are you talking about? You know,
Speaker 8: the Ron DeSantis is like there's this I can't remember
Speaker 8: where I read. It was like this chart of like
Speaker 8: his likability after the first time you meet him, and
Speaker 8: then it just like plummets after that because like in
Speaker 8: the news you see him do this thing like he's
Speaker 8: going after Disney and there's a certain part of the
Speaker 8: population it's like, oh yeah, and then you like me
Speaker 8: and like this guy kind of blows. He's so boring.
Speaker 8: And then if you even see all the videos that
Speaker 8: I normally am not like, okay, if they don't have
Speaker 8: a professionally run campaign, their toast right. We got Donald
Speaker 8: Trump because of that. But he's good at the media.
Speaker 8: This guy is awful. Every video you see of him,
Speaker 8: he's got this weird robot laugh. He's like staring at
Speaker 8: his eyes are looking too big, you know, you can
Speaker 8: see the whites of people's eyes too much, and it's
Speaker 8: like a huge flag. He like, it's just he's looking
Speaker 8: too intensely at people, and no one can go like
Speaker 8: connect with him. I haven't seen him kiss one baby either,
Speaker 8: which I think is another flag.
Speaker 6: One thing I've seen him is wipe snot on a
Speaker 6: guy's shoulder like him at a fundraise. He like wipes
Speaker 6: his nose like aggressively and then just like pats this
Speaker 6: guy who's sitting down on the shoulder like you just okay, sir.
Speaker 8: Will be the most normal thing he's done.
Speaker 1: Watching him try and like palor around with people in
Speaker 1: diners is worth Like it's just him showing up at
Speaker 1: a diner and just yeah, laughing way too hard at
Speaker 1: like nothing and just freaking out, like not being able
Speaker 1: to eat any of the food because he's on like
Speaker 1: some strict Hollywood diet. But he's like trying to be
Speaker 1: like man of the people, sugar man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, give me that cheeseburger. Okay, where's my spit pag?
Speaker 8: You like peppers in your home fries?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 12: No onions? No onions in my in my home fries. Please,
Speaker 12: I can't handle it. They acid is too much for me.
Speaker 12: And no potatoes either. Wait what do you want like
Speaker 12: the red Yeah, just the green bell pepper.
Speaker 6: Wait? What do you have? A warm bowl? One ladle
Speaker 6: of chicken broth and uh cumin. He spices it up
Speaker 6: a little bit.
Speaker 1: I bet he's hung out with Gwyneth Paltrow before m maybe.
Speaker 6: I mean he has I would sooner believe that, rather
Speaker 6: than Ron de Santa's being in some kind of like
Speaker 6: Hollywood goop scenario, that Gwyneth Paltrow would have been at
Speaker 6: Guantanamo Bay for some reason.
Speaker 1: Secret weapon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like that's where they hung out, like or she's like,
Speaker 6: oh yeah, this is just give me a lot. I
Speaker 6: love the aesthetic here.
Speaker 8: Those prisoners need to moisturize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she actually uses tears as moisture. It's like there
Speaker 1: there's something about the content of torture tears that she
Speaker 1: uses to and then she just enters the room and
Speaker 1: all the moisture gets sucked out of them and like
Speaker 1: goes under her body.
Speaker 6: Oh wait, I've got this great idea for a new
Speaker 6: baby baby shampoo guanteer, no moores.
Speaker 1: Tear, no wars, Oh shit, trademark that just baby shampoo,
Speaker 1: baby shampoof. All right, And then Trump seems uncomfortable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people over on the right seeming uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're it's always a big news story,
Speaker 1: Like especially when the Democrats aren't in the White House,
Speaker 1: the like Democrats in disarray, they're like freaking out and
Speaker 1: like wondering what to do, and no candidate is coming
Speaker 1: forward and pulling it together. I feel like we're getting
Speaker 1: the pub the Republicans in disarray, folks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's yeah, it's kind of freaking out.
Speaker 1: It took a lot to get the media there. But
Speaker 1: I think they're kind of also being like, these guys
Speaker 1: kind of stink.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like it wasn't the part where they were talking
Speaker 6: about how they thought Lauren Bobert and Marjorie Taylor Green
Speaker 6: would start fist fighting.
Speaker 1: At any moment.
Speaker 6: Everything's all good over there. But yeah, last time we
Speaker 6: checked with Trump, he was screaming on truth social or
Speaker 6: rather like uploading full, like three page PDF rants about
Speaker 6: his legal issues. Again, that's the guys child. You hear
Speaker 6: mooning back there, So that's should say, hello.
Speaker 1: Hi, capture that it's a drop and I'm teaching.
Speaker 6: I'm teaching everybody about the shitty former president. So right now,
Speaker 6: you know, like he was talking about, we felt that, Okay,
Speaker 6: there's obviously an indictment coming based on how much screaming
Speaker 6: he's doing on social and whether that's the DC like
Speaker 6: overturning the election case or the RICO in Fulton County,
Speaker 6: Georgia yet to be seen. But he's clearly in give
Speaker 6: me attention and money mode right now, which makes perfect
Speaker 6: sense because a lot of the reporting suggest all these
Speaker 6: cases not even you can just imagine all these cases
Speaker 6: require a lot of expensive lawyers, especially the ones that
Speaker 6: have like specific curity clearances and can deal with the
Speaker 6: kinds of issues that Trump has. So that's one issue
Speaker 6: for him. And also like these semi veiled threats he's
Speaker 6: been making the last couple of weeks as it relates
Speaker 6: to his supporters that they're very passionate and I'd hate
Speaker 6: for something bad to happen. I know you would hate
Speaker 6: for something bad to happen to you, guys. Child. There
Speaker 6: doesn't seem to be like that groundswell of the Maga
Speaker 6: freakouts that we had leading up to January sixth, although
Speaker 6: he's trying desperately to try and create that atmosphere. So
Speaker 6: now he is asking Congress to please help me, and
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna play this clip.
Speaker 1: That he as sorry, and I do just want to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that, I mean, that was crazy. So during when
Speaker 1: Miles was doing the Trump impression, he just held the
Speaker 1: Geist child up and the Trump voice came out of
Speaker 1: the Geist. Yeah, it's an amazing impression. Did you do
Speaker 1: that resonant voice.
Speaker 6: You're truly my boy. You love that he's really good.
Speaker 6: You hear that he's working. He's doing a lot better. Okay,
Speaker 6: So here's Trump begging Congress because he's the comfortable v
Speaker 6: confident nothing's going on. But you tell me if this
Speaker 6: sounds like somebody who's about doing.
Speaker 1: This is direct to camera in front of conservatively fourteen
Speaker 1: American flags.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's crammed seventy thousand flags into one frame somehow.
Speaker 13: Congress, if you will please investigate the political witch hunts
Speaker 13: against me currently being brought by the corrupt DOJ and FBI,
Speaker 13: who are totally out of control after Biden with all
Speaker 13: of his corruption, the most corrupt president in history, but
Speaker 13: they keep coming after me from the day I came
Speaker 13: down the escalator all failures. This continuing saga is retribution
Speaker 13: against me for winning and even more importantly to them election.
Speaker 6: And then he goes on he's there trying to fuck
Speaker 6: up twenty twenty four. This is their version of stealing
Speaker 6: the vote. I just love the energy that it starts
Speaker 6: off with. I'm just gonna play it again because he's like, Congress, Congress,
Speaker 6: if you will please, Congress. I think someone was like,
Speaker 6: why don't you just don't sound so desperate? Right, Okay, yeah, Congress,
Speaker 6: if you will please please.
Speaker 1: He's reading off a prompter, like you can tell he's
Speaker 1: very He's one of the easiest people to tell the difference,
Speaker 1: and he's very He's way less effective as a communicator
Speaker 1: when he's reading off your prompt.
Speaker 6: The prompt he does that shoulder pivot, like he changes
Speaker 6: his shouldering his shoulders, yeah, rocking. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Just imagine the number of people that I've had to
Speaker 8: learn to write in.
Speaker 1: His voice, yeah Congress. Yeah, Well, I'm sure he has notes,
Speaker 1: but I feel like he probably writes a little bit
Speaker 1: differently than fewer words.
Speaker 8: Slit trimmed that down more caps, more caps, but.
Speaker 1: It does feel like weirdly formal, like he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm doing the thing, the big like plan, you know,
Speaker 1: deaf Con five. I'm going to ask Congress to help me.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Doesn't like throwing it.
Speaker 8: Back to the escalator speech, which was the one where
Speaker 8: he called a whole country rapist. I mean, it's like,
Speaker 8: this is this is the one, this is the image
Speaker 8: you want to bring back. I guess that was like
Speaker 8: a great dividing line in our country. Because some people
Speaker 8: watch that and we're like, wow, this man's maning. Other
Speaker 8: people are like, well, this guy.
Speaker 3: Makes a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: Hey man, I'm Kermit man.
Speaker 8: This is what happened a kid does he It's like
Speaker 8: I just go into like some weird Elmo Kermit voice thing.
Speaker 1: Well, he's all about like green, green grievance policy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he's you know, it's not easy being green.
Speaker 2: Everyone Anyways, Emo believes that white men are being punished.
Speaker 1: Again, incredible work.
Speaker 6: We don't like those takes. White men are not being
Speaker 6: punished merely for the crime of existing. Hold on his hand.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like so this is almost Dad does have
Speaker 1: a big soul patch by the way.
Speaker 6: Just oh yeah, he is like one of those he
Speaker 6: has like a muppet soul patch. Yeah yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 6: don't know what I think about that.
Speaker 1: He could have been a January sixth.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh absolutely. But the thing is, like we've talked
Speaker 6: about this in the past with all these stories, Like
Speaker 6: I get I get it he's being indicted, but like
Speaker 6: also I don't have faith in the legal system to
Speaker 6: actually dole out justice in the way that like we
Speaker 6: see it, you know, be heavy handed for many other people.
Speaker 6: So the only thing that really makes me feel that
Speaker 6: this is somewhat real is just that Trump is clearly uncomfortable. Yes,
Speaker 6: And I don't want to say scared because I think
Speaker 6: it's too powerful of a word. And I honestly, I'm
Speaker 6: not sure he's capable of the sensation of fear as
Speaker 6: it relates to legal issues, because this man has been
Speaker 6: able to skirt, sidestep, juke, dodge whatever, spin out of
Speaker 6: all kinds of legal issues that I think for him
Speaker 6: is just more like uh shit, they might do Okay,
Speaker 6: you gotta do your thing now, more than like.
Speaker 1: Dude, please, Yeah. All though it's weird, he brings the
Speaker 1: energy of an infomercial to this plea to Congress to
Speaker 1: like subvert democracy.
Speaker 3: He has.
Speaker 1: It's the same energy he has when he's like selling
Speaker 1: Trump water and Trump steaks. He's just like, all right,
Speaker 1: this is my next venture. I'm going to talk to Congress.
Speaker 1: And it's something's going like the the Fulton what do
Speaker 1: we call the Fulton indictment is like.
Speaker 6: The Fulton County, yeah, County case.
Speaker 1: The Fulton County charges seem like they're coming and they
Speaker 1: seem like they're the I mean they're the ones we
Speaker 1: know the most about, right because it was so out
Speaker 1: in the open. Well, yeah, he we've heard recordings of
Speaker 1: him trying to pressure the state's top election official to
Speaker 1: find eleven votes to flip the results. His campaign recruited
Speaker 1: fake electors who signed off on a failed bid to
Speaker 1: eventually replace three ones in Congress to like overthrow the election.
Speaker 1: A local Republicans snuck into a county election office to
Speaker 1: tamper with voting equipment. That's those are all like, those
Speaker 1: are pretty big.
Speaker 6: And they're all talking too. None of them were like
Speaker 6: it ain't some Omerica shit where they're like, yeah, nice, try,
Speaker 6: I ain't saying nothing. I'll do a fucking ten ten
Speaker 6: ten year stretch on my head. No, they are talking
Speaker 6: and again, like like we said, the second Brad Raffensberger
Speaker 6: came out from like Georgia to be like, uh, I
Speaker 6: don't know if y'all know what this guy's just trying
Speaker 6: to make me pull. I was like, well, yeah, I
Speaker 6: don't know, I don't Republican. Yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 6: other investigating will need to be done, but hey, here
Speaker 6: we are the.
Speaker 8: Thing that I think always he gets like exonerated on
Speaker 8: all the times. In some of these cases, is like
Speaker 8: his mental state and what he was doing were different.
Speaker 8: He didn't intend on doing any of these things. Like
Speaker 8: I think the January sixth thing, he may be able
Speaker 8: to get off for inciting violence because he's like, I'm
Speaker 8: just talking, But these other things where it's like the
Speaker 8: classified document where they now have him on recording saying
Speaker 8: this is a classified document that I'm not allowed to declassify.
Speaker 8: This recording where he's talking directly saying I don't think
Speaker 8: this was right, you should do this. These all speak
Speaker 8: to like his intention and what he wants someone to do,
Speaker 8: and then the act is the act. Everyone gets it.
Speaker 8: And so that I think gives me faith in the
Speaker 8: judicial process when it comes to this kind of stuff
Speaker 8: where I don't have faith in it. Is like when
Speaker 8: there's a jury that can be influenced by a narrative
Speaker 8: in a very clear way, right, Like he was just
Speaker 8: motivating people to use their powers of peaceful protest. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I can see a jury just being like who you know,
Speaker 8: and it's all kermits and so yeah. So yeah, that's
Speaker 8: why I think these ones are interesting, and I like
Speaker 8: how they waited at least a while to come down
Speaker 8: with these indictments. You gotta really get dialed in if
Speaker 8: you're gonna do this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's like with you could
Speaker 6: already see just sort of with Judge Cannon in you know,
Speaker 6: South Florida, how she's already beginning to influence things with
Speaker 6: her you know, love of Trump. But yeah, like it's
Speaker 6: these other cases that seem again where it has much
Speaker 6: less wiggle room, especially again like for this Fulton case,
Speaker 6: where like most people saw this without having to like
Speaker 6: you know, go through the process of like discovery or
Speaker 6: investigating or anything like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 6: I remember hearing that. I remember seeing that.
Speaker 1: Sure, not gonna lie. A lot of people saw that.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be back.
Speaker 1: We'll talk UFO.
Speaker 3: Hearings, and we're back.
Speaker 6: We're back.
Speaker 1: And if I seem a little distant, it is because
Speaker 1: I'm coming to you from the like fifteen seconds in
Speaker 1: the past. For some reason, there's a fucking long ass
Speaker 1: leg that is happening. I'm pay that hearing everything everybody says.
Speaker 1: Ten seconds later, I apologize to our guest, I apologize
Speaker 1: to my parents. I'm better than this.
Speaker 6: I promised didn't apologize to me, though I apologize to Miles,
Speaker 6: of course.
Speaker 1: I just feel like you're used to it at this point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the non apologies, Yeah, a little too used to
Speaker 6: them at this point.
Speaker 1: All right, should we talk Oppenheimer? Well, I don't think, Miles,
Speaker 1: you haven't seen Oppenheimer yet?
Speaker 12: Nah?
Speaker 6: Nah? This week though, this week I will go to
Speaker 6: look at Killian Murphy's spooky face and Imax.
Speaker 2: I think spooky face. I need his botox beautiful face.
Speaker 6: Wait, hold on, okay, wait, what so you Killion he
Speaker 6: doesn't look haunted as fuck to you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but maybe that's my thing.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm just making sure we're seeing the same thing.
Speaker 6: I'm not. I'm not knocking you if that's what you're into,
Speaker 6: but I'm like, he hunted. Uh but I get that.
Speaker 6: Then that's why he stays working, because you can't fake
Speaker 6: that face like.
Speaker 1: A good, hollowed out husk of a man person.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, great.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the picture where people like took pictures
Speaker 1: from the front row of the.
Speaker 10: Imax and it's like it's just so warped because oh,
Speaker 10: it's just a wall wall sized close up of his
Speaker 10: face and it's like, man, his right jowl is really
Speaker 10: the star of this shot.
Speaker 6: They shouldn't, they shouldn't. They shouldn't sell seats that close
Speaker 6: to the fucking screen, because I saw a barbie in
Speaker 6: the second row and I was definitely testing like the
Speaker 6: limits of like what is too close to a screen
Speaker 6: because it's like a bigger screen, and I was like,
Speaker 6: my head was like jerking around. But then also like
Speaker 6: the perspective does shift a bit when you're the viewing
Speaker 6: angles so acute. Anyway, why am I? Why am I
Speaker 6: going to complain to the capitalist theaters to be sell
Speaker 6: less seats? Okay, to make the experience better for everyone?
Speaker 1: Find if you just stand on your seat and in
Speaker 1: an athletics position and then just look back and forth
Speaker 1: really fast the whole time.
Speaker 6: That helps. Yeah, blends into one image, all right.
Speaker 1: So Oppenheimer, as we mentioned on our weekend digest, as
Speaker 1: making way more money than anyone expected, currently has ninety
Speaker 1: four percent approval rating from critics and audiences on Rotten Tomatoes,
Speaker 1: and it's coming under some heat for some things that
Speaker 1: it just kind of glosses glosses over.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I keep I feel like this week I've seen
Speaker 6: NonStop articles about like, like what the movie gets right,
Speaker 6: and what is made up? Or are there things like
Speaker 6: here's the real Oppenheimer story or things you probably didn't
Speaker 6: know were not there in the Oppenheimer movie. That seems
Speaker 6: like to be a lot of taking up a lot
Speaker 6: of space right now as people watch it, are.
Speaker 1: The articles like they actually dropped those bombs on.
Speaker 6: Up?
Speaker 1: Like do you see how big those things were and
Speaker 1: like super hot? They don't know if you know this,
Speaker 1: but like that's those bombs like killed a lot of
Speaker 1: people after it wasn't just him having sex with Florence
Speaker 1: Pugh all the time in front of Congress. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but so I guess Oppenheimer illustrates the devastation and his
Speaker 1: guilt only through like subjective visions that Oppenheimer has. The
Speaker 1: whole movie is told from his perspective, right, like stays
Speaker 1: on the perspective of Oppenheimer himself, which conveniently allows a
Speaker 1: movie about one of the greatest horrors of modern history
Speaker 1: to be blockbuster entertainment for mainstream audiences.
Speaker 6: Right, it's like, but he was so conflicted when he
Speaker 6: made it though, Yeah, so you know, but also people's
Speaker 6: shadows were burnt into concrete from the play.
Speaker 1: He felt bad yeah, right, right, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't know, like.
Speaker 2: Hot take, I feel like like it's almost like going
Speaker 2: to McDonald's, Like I don't go to McDonald's to feel good, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think everybody's going to Oppenheimer to like learn history,
Speaker 2: like you're just learning about this weird dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think it on some level, Like I get that
Speaker 6: like as a as a work of like entertainment, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 6: there's plenty of like bummer shit you can watch if
Speaker 6: you really want to like drill down into like the
Speaker 6: atom bomb and shit like that. But I think for
Speaker 6: like when you're talking about someone who's what they're, what they're,
Speaker 6: what they gave to the world, and you kind of
Speaker 6: avoid like what that actually ends up being, then it
Speaker 6: feels a little bit like wha are you telling the
Speaker 6: whole story to just kind of focus on him there?
Speaker 6: Because I I think there is so much complexity there
Speaker 6: that you can make like a good story out of.
Speaker 6: But I get why people be like, huh, you kind
Speaker 6: of glossed over, like what where all that work led?
Speaker 6: But okay, yeah, big part of the story. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So one of the details that I writer Jam kind
Speaker 1: of points out. It also gets glossed over. In addition
Speaker 1: to the dropping of the bombs in Japan is the
Speaker 1: land in Los Almos, where the Manhattan Brought Project was based.
Speaker 1: Was like, first of all, forcibly secured and Indigenous and
Speaker 1: Hispanic communities were relocated. Lands were seized by armed soldiers
Speaker 1: who showed up with letters written in English that like
Speaker 1: the people who lived there couldn't understand because they sent
Speaker 1: no translators. And part of the reasoning that the military
Speaker 1: and Appenheimer specifically used to pick Los Almos as the
Speaker 1: site of the Manhattan Project was because competing sites such
Speaker 1: as in Utah would have meant evicting white farmers. And
Speaker 1: they also saw the dispossessed Hispanic and Indigenous residents as
Speaker 1: a potential quote cheap labor force for the Manhattan Press.
Speaker 6: Oh my god. So they're like, Okay, once they're displaced,
Speaker 6: they're going to be desperate enough to come work for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like, even if you're centering his point of
Speaker 1: view and like his decision making going into this, it
Speaker 1: is like you were having to do a lot of
Speaker 1: work on his behalf to just make him seem humane.
Speaker 1: And the big thing is like and this This part
Speaker 1: feels wildly cinematic, like the sort of thing that Christopher
Speaker 1: Nolan would have to explicitly be like, man, that would
Speaker 1: be an amazing thing to show. Is that, like they
Speaker 1: knew the area around the Trinity test site was like
Speaker 1: far from uninhabited. So they're like all these communities who
Speaker 1: lived around the like where they set off the explosion,
Speaker 1: who are not warned about the dangers of the experiments
Speaker 1: and like, so there're like dozens of families within twenty
Speaker 1: miles and these are like largely poor families and ranchers
Speaker 1: and farmers. And there were like all these storms on
Speaker 1: the day that they were supposed to conduct the test,
Speaker 1: and a physicist warrened Oppenheimer that this could be a
Speaker 1: cattack astrophe, and Oppenheimer relayed this message to the military
Speaker 1: by saying, the weather today is whimsical.
Speaker 6: Oh, it'll whimsically carry radioactive fallout miles away.
Speaker 1: Is that what he iss?
Speaker 6: Very whimsically, Oh the whimsy of radio radioactivity? Okay, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He had that cool quote about being become death destroyer
Speaker 1: of worlds, burning a hole in his pocket, and he
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta use this thing, man, Like this
Speaker 1: is gonna fucking rule when we set this thing.
Speaker 6: Dude, you gotta put you know how thick the glasses are,
Speaker 6: you gotta put on even fucking look at it. It's
Speaker 6: gonna be fucking wild. Bro. I love though, too, that
Speaker 6: the guy who told him that was in Rico Fermi.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and Rika of the Fermi paradox for people
Speaker 6: who like to talk about like space life out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, make a story about him. Yeah yeah, seriously,
Speaker 1: So just a little like scene that was omitted. So
Speaker 1: the a meteorologist warned that the weather that morning was
Speaker 1: likely to spread fallout far and wide over New Mexico's
Speaker 1: civilian population, right in the middle of a period of thunderstorm.
Speaker 1: The meteorologists complained in his journal of the scheduled test,
Speaker 1: what son of a bitch could have done this? And
Speaker 1: so as the storm raged in hours before the test,
Speaker 1: Fermi warns Oppenheimer there could be a catastrophe. Oppenheimer took
Speaker 1: a break from the reading the poetry of Baudelaire to
Speaker 1: relay to the military the weather is whimsical thing. I
Speaker 1: love that he's fucking reading poetry, like just being as
Speaker 1: he's about to like end the lives of people and
Speaker 1: like you know, poison generations.
Speaker 6: Right right right, because yeah, that fallout is like a
Speaker 6: still a legacy to this day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely know about it. It affects people's DNA.
Speaker 2: Also, that quote is so corny, like why, like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if you're like quoting what the fucking death thing?
Speaker 7: Like that guy shouldn't be allowed to make decisions.
Speaker 6: I don't know, right right, he's like, but he's gonna
Speaker 6: help us flex our power on the communists. That's the
Speaker 6: real big part of this too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they went through with the test. It was essentially
Speaker 1: a dirty bomb by today's standards because it like didn't
Speaker 1: succeed that well. I think only there was like twenty
Speaker 1: percent of it that didn't go off, or maybe it
Speaker 1: was only or yeah, yeah, twenty percent of the core
Speaker 1: went off and the rest was, you know, scattered across
Speaker 1: New Mexico and beyond. Literally ruined a batch of film
Speaker 1: at a Kodak factory in Indiana.
Speaker 6: That's close by. Based on my rough geography and knowledge
Speaker 6: of the United States, so they're in New Mexico and
Speaker 6: it blew all the way to end. Oh no, that's
Speaker 6: very wow.
Speaker 11: Yeah, what.
Speaker 6: Oh boy, that's twelve hundred and sixty seven miles from
Speaker 6: the middle of New Mexico, Indiana. Okay, so huh huh
Speaker 6: all in middle America. Yeah right, yeah, yikes. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: like that wasn't as far as it went. That was
Speaker 6: where it went and ruined a batch of film, like right,
Speaker 6: that's how it was still that powerful that far away.
Speaker 6: The military collected radioactive fallout, and you might assume that
Speaker 6: was in order to document and make decisions better, but
Speaker 6: it was totally just based on like legal ass covering.
Speaker 6: And for thousands of people who lived near the Trinity site,
Speaker 6: they were awoken that morning. So this is the detail,
Speaker 6: Like this is the most cinematic, like fucked up depiction
Speaker 6: of this entire experiment that I could imagine. So the
Speaker 6: thousands of people who lived near the Trinity site are
Speaker 6: awoken that morning by a goddamn nuclear blast that a
Speaker 6: thing that like has not been possible, doesn't exist as
Speaker 6: far as human assumptions about reality, like human understanding has
Speaker 6: been caused, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Most of those people didn't even realize what had happened
Speaker 1: until the news of the bombing of Japan and their
Speaker 1: land crops, livestock, and water were irradiated leading to generations
Speaker 1: of people suffering from various types of cancer. In the
Speaker 1: weeks after the test, they were never advised that their
Speaker 1: land crops, livestock, and water may may have been contaminated. Like,
Speaker 1: it just feels like that's all incredibly cinematic, But we
Speaker 1: can't tell the story from the perspective of the people
Speaker 1: and have to do like the Great Man theory of history,
Speaker 1: where everything's controlled by a protagonist who is sitting with
Speaker 1: detached amusement and reading poetry and you know, making massive
Speaker 1: decisions that affect the lives of thousands of people in millions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, honestly, hales, Have Eyes had a better
Speaker 2: They did a better job of depicting the impacts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, truly, Have Eyes is a story for the people
Speaker 6: about the downwinders from the fucking Trinity blasts. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: like again, it is wild too, because to tell that
Speaker 6: story you have to reveal a lot about the United
Speaker 6: States government, about how commerce works, about the motivations to
Speaker 6: just be like, yeah, we're actually don't want to displace
Speaker 6: white people. We want to displace like Hispanic and Indigenous people.
Speaker 6: We don't care about the poor people downwind And if
Speaker 6: they try and come with us with evidence that they've
Speaker 6: actually suffered because the test thing, we're just going to
Speaker 6: fucking turn a blind eye because those people have no
Speaker 6: they they they've never had and never will have any
Speaker 6: kind of financial recourse due to what happened there. So
Speaker 6: that's that's still he'll come work for us. So yeah, exactly,
Speaker 6: it's like, hey, if you want, we'll test your body
Speaker 6: for a couple bucks. Huh. That could be fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me when my sister and I
Speaker 2: we went to Vietnam and we went to over there.
Speaker 2: They call it the American War, not the Vietnam War. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like the pictures in the museum are so much
Speaker 2: more horrific than anything you've ever been taught over here.
Speaker 6: It's not a gi with like a sleeveless you know,
Speaker 6: fatigue jacket on with cigarettes in his helmet, singing fortunate son.
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, and that's what it was. We don't
Speaker 6: know about chemical warfare of these other terrible things and
Speaker 6: napalm and shit like that, right right, Yeah, Yeah, that's
Speaker 6: always like that's always it's that's what's funny, is like
Speaker 6: that's what I guess that makes sense because America, like
Speaker 6: the film industry is not always going to really crank
Speaker 6: out those real sort of sober eyed depictions of what
Speaker 6: are like imperial wars end up looking like on the
Speaker 6: other side, it is going to be like, yeah, there's Oppenheimer.
Speaker 6: He did that, and yeah, maybe it was kind of
Speaker 6: like these guys in Germany kicked some butt and then
Speaker 6: they came back, and there's still just kind of like
Speaker 6: we're always we're not left with like a real total
Speaker 6: telling of like the humanity of war. But hey, that's
Speaker 6: for the European filmmakers to do because they have fantastic
Speaker 6: anti war films.
Speaker 2: Right, is this movie funded, like, I know, like Top
Speaker 2: Gun has like military funding behind it.
Speaker 7: Do you know if like Oppenheimer does.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean unless they usually like it happens because you
Speaker 6: want to use the military's toys and they're like, fine,
Speaker 6: if you want to play with our toys on camera,
Speaker 6: then like we have like a sayance and stuff. So
Speaker 6: I'm not sure with this one, but i'd imagine I'd
Speaker 6: imagine there was some consulting on some level probably, but yeah,
Speaker 6: I have no idea.
Speaker 7: There's an election coming up, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Right, well, see how this is used for I don't
Speaker 6: know which party will benefit from Oppenheimer. It seems like
Speaker 6: Barbie is definitely being used by the right to beat
Speaker 6: the culture wars to death, but I don't know about
Speaker 6: Oppenheimer yet.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is crazy like the people who are
Speaker 1: called the down Winders, who were like directly affected by this,
Speaker 1: like the fallout, Like the government won't acknowledge or compensate
Speaker 1: those families. Yeah, that them specifically, they're just like, yeah, nope,
Speaker 1: that never, we're not talking about that. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: hear you. And yeah, so they again feel erased by
Speaker 1: history due to the films glaring emission of their story,
Speaker 1: and erased by the government. And like Biden last year
Speaker 1: extended the government's Radiation Exposure Compensation Act, but it still
Speaker 1: doesn't cover anyone affected by the fallout from the Trinity Test,
Speaker 1: and some lawmakers are trying to use the movie's popularity
Speaker 1: as a way to finally change that. But so, like,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a good thing that could come out of this,
Speaker 1: but it's it doesn't seem like it's based on sort
Speaker 1: of the narrative trajectory of the movie, that that would happen.
Speaker 6: Right right right, Yeah, I mean, we see this all
Speaker 6: the time, Like just cancer clusters that pop up near
Speaker 6: like EPA super fun sites or like or how long
Speaker 6: it takes for like the EPA or the government to
Speaker 6: be like, oh, yeah, that is a cluster of cancer
Speaker 6: cases that was caused by something that happened like in
Speaker 6: La like where the jet Propulsion Laboratory is, you know
Speaker 6: where they were like doing a lot of work trying
Speaker 6: to figure out how rockets, how they can make shit
Speaker 6: travel very far to either destroy things or send things
Speaker 6: into space. That contaminated a lot of water like in
Speaker 6: the San Gabriel Valley that meant and there's these had
Speaker 6: cancer clusters that popped up that took a while for
Speaker 6: them to be like, oh, yes, this is okay, so
Speaker 6: we need to put like a full time water treatment
Speaker 6: like everywhere near this place, because yeah, we were too
Speaker 6: busy like playing with chemicals to figure out how to
Speaker 6: kill people better. It just feels like I can't imagine
Speaker 6: for every like the groups of downwindows there are, there's
Speaker 6: you know, there's plenty more. I mean if we think
Speaker 6: of how long it took for people even in Flint,
Speaker 6: Michigan to even be acknowledged.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so sorry, I'm just googling how far the Propulsional
Speaker 2: Laboratory is from my house.
Speaker 1: When what happened.
Speaker 6: Oh, this is in the sixties. It's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 6: You're you're, you're, you're completely different water district. So it's
Speaker 6: okay to people in Pasadena and Lochanyata, flint Ridge and
Speaker 6: Alta Dina that are typically the ones that.
Speaker 7: We don't like that anyway, the park is terrible.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they didn't let black people own property till
Speaker 6: very late in the game, so yeah, yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 6: have our feelings there.
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