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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to s favorite protection of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Vocal Bam, and today

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Speaker 1: we have a classic episode for you about cinnamon, one

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Speaker 1: of my absolute, very favorite things. Yes, uh yeah, you

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Speaker 1: you talk. You talk about a lot about that in

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Speaker 1: in the episode that that has not changed since September.

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Speaker 1: It has not changed September tween seventeen. But I will

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Speaker 1: say I'm very much more of a savory person than

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Speaker 1: a sweet person, and especially during times of stress and

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Speaker 1: comfort food, which is right now for a lot of

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Speaker 1: us and for me, So I haven't been having as

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Speaker 1: much cinnamon as I normally do. And I know that

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Speaker 1: you can use cinnamon in savory things absolutely um, but

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Speaker 1: most of my favorite uses of cinnamon are in baked

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Speaker 1: good like coffee. I know, I'm a weirdo. I put

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Speaker 1: cinnamon in my coffee sometimes. That's still not a weird thing.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the thing that humans do, and I am

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Speaker 1: a human that doesn't. There you go, m uh. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of baked goods, we do also have a Cinnamon Rolls

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Speaker 1: episode from from November of twenty nineteen UM in which

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Speaker 1: we discuss some of this very baked good related stuff. Um. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I would say that episode probably if I had

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Speaker 1: to rank what has generated the most listener mail, it

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Speaker 1: is in the top five. People wrote in and are

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Speaker 1: still writing it about cinnamon rolls and whether or not

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Speaker 1: the pairing of love it with chili is a thing,

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Speaker 1: which it seems that it very much is. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then when I was doing my cursory like cinnamon

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Speaker 1: news before this, a lot of the articles that came

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Speaker 1: up were about making cinnamon rolls for Father's Day. A yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of recipes for Father's Day with

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Speaker 1: like cinnamon rolls topped with bacon or whatever it is

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Speaker 1: that it is, Yes, exactly. Um. And I did find

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Speaker 1: one article that I would love to delve into, maybe

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Speaker 1: more personally. I don't know if we would do a

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Speaker 1: whole episode on this, but it was talking about how

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Speaker 1: much are eating behavior has changed during quarantine and how

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Speaker 1: like I think I said, according to one study of

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Speaker 1: changed their eating habits, which totally makes sense. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course. Um, but this was somehow involved with cinnamon rolls.

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Speaker 1: People are eating more snack foods I think you mentioned

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Speaker 1: the name checked cinnamon rolls, and people are baking more. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think it's Oregon Lives anyway. Um podcast from Oregon

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Speaker 1: reported a week ago that um Portland local home baker

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Speaker 1: Oregon Food Bank by auctioning off these giant homemade cinnamon

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Speaker 1: rolls that she makes. Oh wow. Yeah. Um. It apparently

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Speaker 1: started as just like like, oh man, I have this

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Speaker 1: kid at home with me, we should probably do something. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's have a baking project. Um. And so they made

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Speaker 1: the cinnamon roll and uh post pictures of it on

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Speaker 1: the internet and your friends were like, oh man, make

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Speaker 1: me one. Like, oh man, like, I'd pay money for that,

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Speaker 1: and people have so uh so that's great. Um. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: cinnamon is definitely part of the of the larger COVID

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Speaker 1: related baking trend. Um New Market Analysis is predicting a

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Speaker 1: growth rate of the cinnamon market value of over eleven

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Speaker 1: these cooking shifts, um and eating shifts, eating habits are

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Speaker 1: And you know, try to support your local businesses, support

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Speaker 1: your local black owned businesses. Um. Your your dollars matter,

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Speaker 1: so put them, put them to good use. Yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: And in the meantime, as always, if you have any

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Speaker 1: baking projects, let us know about them, especially banking projects.

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Speaker 1: And in the meantime, you can enjoy this classic episode. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Food Stuff. I'm Anny Rees and I'm

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Speaker 1: Lauren vocal Bam, and today we're digging into the kind

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Speaker 1: of totally depressing history of cinnamon. I thought you were

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Speaker 1: gonna make a spicy pun. Oh no, no, that's okay,

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Speaker 1: that's good. Cinnamon is one of my favorite spices. I love.

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Speaker 1: there's nothing that it shouldn't shouldn't go in. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: it into the fall. But it's all year round. You

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Speaker 1: or there's wood from China and India and Iran, and

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Speaker 1: the Indonesian word means sweet wood in the Victorian language

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Speaker 1: of flowers, which I had to look up because I

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Speaker 1: had no idea what that was. Oh really, Oh it's great,

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Speaker 1: I know, it's fantastic. How have I gone so long? Victorians?

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Speaker 1: Y'all they had an entire language of flowers. Yes, And

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Speaker 1: have um And in this language, cinnamon translates to my

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Speaker 1: fortune is yours? Wow? Yeah, that sounds lovely, doesn't it

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Speaker 1: very fitting? Yes? Here in the United States, you're likely

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Speaker 1: to encounter two types of cinnamon in the grossery store,

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Speaker 1: Cassia and Ceylon. Cassia is kind of the stronger in

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Speaker 1: it's also generally cheaper um. Ceylon cinnamon, meanwhile, is from

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Speaker 1: Cassia is labeled as cassia, but both can be labeled

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Speaker 1: cinnamon in the US. Both however, are the soft inner

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Speaker 1: bark of a type of evergreen shrub in the Cinnamomum

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Speaker 1: genus that sounds like you're summoning a demon cinnam mom. See,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I know you're You're not wrong. Ceylon is

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Speaker 1: from sea lannicum um, often also called sea verarum, which

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Speaker 1: means true cinnamon. Cassia, however, can come from a number

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Speaker 1: of species um. The flower and leaves are also edible

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Speaker 1: in addition to the bark. Cassie leaves in particular are

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Speaker 1: be processed from the leaves of both type of plant.

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Speaker 1: The main flavors in cinnamon come from a few oils

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Speaker 1: cinnamalde hyde, which is just a great name for anything eugeneol,

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Speaker 1: and also camphor, which I had no idea was an

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Speaker 1: will make a you know, high quality attractive quills, which

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Speaker 1: is one of the fabulous names for cinnamon sticks. I'm

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Speaker 1: But for all those parts that have not changed. Um,

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Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you sponsor. Yes, So,

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Speaker 1: though it was almost certainly used before this, cinnamon first

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Speaker 1: carry a pineapple. I'm gonna have a bag of cinnamon.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna start integrating all these strange food habits.

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Speaker 1: You could at the very least have a really good

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Speaker 1: Halloween costume. That's true. That is such a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Laurence. I am food stuff. Yes you don't

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Speaker 1: know food stuff. Well, I have a story to tell

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Speaker 1: you and a podcast to direct marketing opportunity. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: back to cinnamon history. The ancient Egyptians used cinnamon, along

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Speaker 1: with other things like mirror, as a perfume during evolving

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Speaker 1: cinnamon makes a cameo are two in the Bible, Moses

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Speaker 1: it was seen as an appropriate gift for monarchs, and

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Speaker 1: a gift at the Temple of Apollo and Malitis Militis. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: very worst, you're gonna smell like cinnamon oil. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is definitely something that I would try to test, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I would. Oh, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that can't control when it comes to the insects.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to play ball. I don't think. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but okay, I might give it a role if we

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Speaker 1: if we ever run across a tank of mosquitoes, then yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see, We'll see what happens. I'll keep

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Speaker 1: some cinnamon oil prepared on the flip side. Um in

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Speaker 1: large enough quantities, exposure to cinnamon is not great for you.

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Speaker 1: It's oils are irritants, um so, so anytime that you're

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Speaker 1: using it in like a beauty product, just just use

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Speaker 1: use a small test um before you maybe spread it

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Speaker 1: all all the heck over your skin. It's certainly um.

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Speaker 1: Workers in the cinnamon industry have been shown to experience

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Speaker 1: system symptoms like asthma and u skin and irritation, hair

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Speaker 1: loss and weight loss. Those last two things, they're not

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Speaker 1: even sure how they work. They're they're like, they're like,

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Speaker 1: is are the oils causing breakage? Are they causing prevention

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Speaker 1: of of hair to grow in the first place? Weird

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00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: times anyway, um uh. And the weight loss too, is

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Speaker 1: even for folks who aren't doing the manual part of

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Speaker 1: the labor, who are just working around the dust. They

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Speaker 1: think it's something something's going on. They're not sure what um.

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Speaker 1: Cinnamon also does contain a chemical called camarin, which can

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Speaker 1: cause liver toxicity in large enough amounts, but I'm talking

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Speaker 1: like silly large amounts, Like even the amount that Annie

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Speaker 1: uses is no or near enough to cause livery toxicity.

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Speaker 1: And imagine like a bath a full of cinnamon something

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Speaker 1: like that, Like like maybe like back off on like

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Speaker 1: heavy use of cinnamon supplements unless you're doing so under

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Speaker 1: the direction of a medical professional. Yeah. Yeah, I always

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Speaker 1: had this idea that I knew was un scientific and

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Speaker 1: incorrect in the back of my mind that the reason

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Speaker 1: cinnamon helped purportedly helped you lose weight it's beat up

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Speaker 1: your metabolism. Um. It was because it's, uh, it kind

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Speaker 1: of not burns, but it's got like that bite. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it was just like revving things up. I truly

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Speaker 1: believe this for a little while. And that was actually

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Speaker 1: sort of the basis. I didn't write down notes on this,

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Speaker 1: but that was sort of the basis of UM. The

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Speaker 1: concept in European culture of spices like cinnamon that have

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Speaker 1: that warming effect being good to eat in the winter

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Speaker 1: as like a like a balance of the humors kind

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Speaker 1: of concept. UM. And I totally want to go into

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Speaker 1: that in a future episode when I have more time

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Speaker 1: to to read up on it. But um, because it's

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Speaker 1: sort of it's sort of counterintuitive to the way that

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Speaker 1: a lot of tropical um cultures use spicy food and

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Speaker 1: during the summer as a way to kind of stimulate

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Speaker 1: sweat production and cool you off. Right, But there's anti

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Speaker 1: macrobial things involved in both of those maybe maybe. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's interesting maybe maybe. Al Right, that concludes the

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Speaker 1: science slash health portion. So let's talk about some cultural

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Speaker 1: cinnamon things. Yeah, cinnamon, as you may have noticed, is

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Speaker 1: riding the train of that of that pumpkin pie spice monolith.

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00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: Oh that's a terribly mixed metaphor. Um. I appreciate it, okay.

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00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: Um And and so cinnamon cinnamon has really jumped in

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Speaker 1: popularity over certainly over the past couple of years. But

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00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: but it's also just great. Yeah, that's such a lovely aroma. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Popular cinnamon things are cinnamon toast, which is that was

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Speaker 1: I was a kid. That's what I had for breakfast

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Speaker 1: pretty often. Cinnamons crunch, which is one of my favorite cereals,

489
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: also had it very often. Um, and this is apparently

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Speaker 1: the most popular cereal in half of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Over half of the United States. It's called crook canell

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Speaker 1: in France, curiously, cinnamon in UK and Ireland, and cinni

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Speaker 1: minis in Poland, so you can get it out of

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Speaker 1: the U. S. Um, there's cinnamon sinimon rolls in general.

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Speaker 1: And here we have a place called Sinnaholic snickerdoodles. It's

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite cookies. So they're so good. Um.

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00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: And apparently there's cinnamon in Coca Cola. It kept like

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00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: I found myself somehow on the Coca Cola website when

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00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: I was like cinnamon things. How did I end up here?

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Speaker 1: I guess it's in there. Um. And they a lot

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00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: of cultures outside of the US use it and savory

502
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: dishes way more than we do anyway. Um, Like it's

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Speaker 1: popular in Indian curries are in gene or chili sure

504
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: um oh oh, and cinnamon whiskey. Yes. Although fireball had

505
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: been around for a couple of decades, it leapt to

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00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: this sudden and much contested prominence in it reached about

507
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Speaker 1: two per cent of the overall dollar share of spirits

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Speaker 1: in the United States. And what that means is that

509
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Speaker 1: two per cent of all the money in the country

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00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 1: being spent on booze was going to sales of Fireball.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, I know, I mean, you know it was.

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00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: It was a big time for flavored whiskeys in general.

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00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: But like, but like dang, y'all wow. I also wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk about the Cinnamon challenge, oh boy, which which

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00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: is a dare of sorts. Um. If you haven't heard

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00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: of it, You're supposed to swallow a spoonful of cinnamon

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Speaker 1: in less than a minute without the aid of any

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Speaker 1: water or other other helpful liquids. Um. And sounds simple,

519
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: but in case you've never actually seen it happen, trust me,

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00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 1: it's not. Um. The dare has been around for at

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00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: least a decade, but it went viral again in like

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00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: thanks YouTube. UM. A search on YouTube, by the way,

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00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: pulls up one point six billion videos on the subject. Yeah. Um.

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Speaker 1: The reason that it's so difficult is that because cinnamon

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00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: is ground tree bark, it contains a lot of stiff

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00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: cellulose that that resists saturation with water. Um and therefore

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00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: also like spit you know, um, and you can you

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00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: can see this in action if you sprinkle cinnamon over

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00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: coffee because it just kind of sits there until you

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00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: physically mix it in um. Or if you put a

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Speaker 1: drop of water on a little bit of cinnamon that

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Speaker 1: you've got, like in a spoon or on a dish,

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00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: um it'll the water will beat up instead of sinking

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00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: in your saliva. Similarly, um cannot mix into a spoonful

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Speaker 1: of cinnamon um, which means that you cannot swallow it,

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00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: which means that you'll choke on it and like spit

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Speaker 1: out a cloud of cinnamon and probably continue choking for

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00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: a while and like look like the dare is like

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00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: a little bit mostly harmless, but it can have some

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Speaker 1: serious consequences. If you accidentally breathe cinnamon in that cellulus

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Speaker 1: that I mentioned, we'll just sit in your lungs, like

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00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: not breaking down, but instead slow releasing that snimalde hyde

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00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: that is an irritant that can cause chronic inflammation and

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00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: eventually scarring in your lungs, which is like having emphysema.

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Speaker 1: You don't want it. A few teens actually choked hard

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Speaker 1: enough that they collapsed along, and at least one actually

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Speaker 1: choked to death. So if you're looking for a gross

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00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: food challenge, i'd recommend baby chugging a gallon of milk instead,

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00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: which will probably just make you throw up a lot. Yeah. Actually,

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00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: don't do that either. No, don't do either of those things.

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Speaker 1: And and to thus concludes Lawrence kill Joy corner. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: Joy killed. Yeah. I'm really glad I wasn't. Um, I

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Speaker 1: wasn't a kid during these things, because this is a

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Speaker 1: dumb thing I would Oh yeah, m I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I would have. I wasn't much into dares.

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00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well, I don't want to give away

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00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: too much. Don't send me any dares people. Oh no, yeah,

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00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: oh that's that sounds like a dare in itself. Come on,

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Speaker 1: I need Annie. Don't don't hurt her. Um. There is also,

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Speaker 1: of course, an episode, of course, of course of Deadwood.

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Speaker 1: Um the show, the HBO show Deadwood, called Unauthorized Cinnamon. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I love that title, I know, right, I wish we

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Speaker 1: could steal it for those episode. Yeah, sorry, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I guess I guess Deadwood gets to keep that one,

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00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: all right. Um. But yeah, that's about That's about what

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Speaker 1: we have to say about that. And that brings us

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Speaker 1: to the end of our classic episode on Cinnamon. That

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Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed it. Um as always, if you

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Speaker 1: you have any uses for cinnamon now heavens no, I

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Speaker 1: got a Grammy for it. Oh, I love any any

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Speaker 1: ideas or suggestions. We always enjoy seeing what you're up to. Yes,

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