1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: This podcast is a dramatization of fictionalized events that contains 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: culturally insensitive language and violence. A stalemate has developed her 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles between the police and a mob of 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: armed and protesters. This, of course, all happening in the 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: final moments of Gerald Hayes online trial. Any shot, let's 6 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: get it. We'll get right back at Colleen. From where 7 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: we're standing, we can see everything's getting dicey behind you there, 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: You and your team stay safe. Thank you. Yes, I 9 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: don't know exactly how to describe it, Kate. Colleen Sanders 10 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: recounts it was basically just a ring of armed protesters 11 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: surrounding everyone else in the middle. When you say everyone else, 12 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: you mean the police, the media, first responders, and even 13 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: some of the unarmed protesters. There was just absolutely nowhere 14 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: for us to go. Where the hell is Patterson far 15 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: geographically speaking, where were you situated when Ammon started frantically 16 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: calling out for you? I was code seven, bathroom break, Curtis, 17 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: Curtis you in there. We need Gerald back of the rowline. No, God, 18 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: damn it. So I hustle back into the trailer and 19 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm calling into that barn like CRAS long range short 20 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: ring anything again to pick up that sound that you 21 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: just heard. Was the power coming back on. As we 22 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: see the lights inside Jason's forty to percolate back to 23 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: life and surveillance footage, we also noticed that Gerald and 24 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: Sergeant Place are still seated on the stage in the 25 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: dining room, exactly where they were before the field is 26 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: solved by swat. It's here that Gerald can be seen 27 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: casually you reaching into his pocket, where he then hands 28 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: his phone to Sergeant Place. Make it quick, don't do 29 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: nothing stupid, and keep it on the speaking Susie, It's me, Susie. 30 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Listen to me. Don't have a lot of time. I 31 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: just I'm so sorry for all of it. You're not 32 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: You're not just something something I needs you to do. 33 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: Don't let me be remembered. Voic's on that team, you mean, 34 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: it's just it just gotta control. Tell Well, Tell Webb's wife. 35 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to I just if they just went wrong. 36 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: I just wish you, I wish I would have stopped 37 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: it earlier. Kiss the baby's phone. I love you. I 38 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: love you. Yeah, Sergeant Place said his goodbyes. Commander Ammond's 39 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: was working on a last ditch effort to try and 40 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: end things peacefully. Listen, Gerald had been avoiding us on 41 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: the phones all night, so even though I ordered Patterson 42 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: to get him on the line, I wasn't all that 43 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: confident the other side would pick up. That's when I 44 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: decided to try calling someone else that could possibly help us. 45 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: I called the polycam Apps headquarters. What was the thing 46 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: behind that move? I felt I needed to control the 47 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: outcome of the trial. You wanted to rig the vote 48 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: being I had considered this tactic earlier in the evening, 49 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: but decided against it because I was worried it would 50 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: potentially provoke the HT into acting even more radically and 51 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: potentially raise a level of risk for Sergeant Place. But 52 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,119 Speaker 1: once we were confronted by this armed militia, the risk 53 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: of metastasize of the entire perimeter and we were looking 54 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: at a potential mass casualty event. So my best bet, 55 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: I thought, would be to let this online trial thing 56 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: play out, but make sure that the verdict came in 57 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: not guilty. Did you get through to anyone at poly Chimp? 58 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: I talked to their CEO directly. You talked to Philipico 59 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: while the voting was in its final moments. I did 60 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: what did he say? He cited some First Amendment free 61 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: speech garbage and made some wise crack about how I 62 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: was reminding him that he needs to make a fat 63 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: donation of the A C l U. And get this, 64 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: he had the nerve to tell me it would be 65 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: unethical of him to tamper with the vote, which of 66 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: course is absolute cow done, because it's not like this 67 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: was a legal trial. The only reason I wanted him 68 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: to fudge the numbers in the first place was to 69 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: avoid people getting slaughtered. The guy I was a complete jackass. Ultimately, 70 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: the call was an absolute waste of time. Hang on, 71 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: we're getting some breaking news here. This just in. For 72 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: the first time this evening, the up votes for not 73 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: guilty have surpassed the guilty votes also known as the 74 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: down votes in Gerald Hayes's Vigilante Justice trial. We're gonna 75 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: go live to Colleen Sanders again, who has more on 76 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: the situation. Colleen, that is correct, Ryan. As tense and 77 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: dangerous as things are here on the ground, everyone seems 78 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: to be keenly aware of the boat online. I have 79 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: here next to me a man who has his gun 80 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: aimed at the police in one hand and in his 81 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: other hand. He has his cell phone out so he 82 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: can keep an eye on the tally. Sir, sir, excuse me, sir, 83 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: what brought you out tonight? Justice? We look up for justice. 84 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: What they did to that point ain't right. We ain't 85 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: gonna let them shut down on trial before it's done. 86 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: Are you aware that if the boat stands as is, 87 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: it appears Sergeant Place has enough votes to be pronounced innocent. 88 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: And if that indeed holds, will you support Gerald Hayes 89 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: releasing Sergeant Place. We'll cross that bridge when we get there. If, 90 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: as you can see, Ryan, this situation here remains extremely fluid. Colleen, Ryan, 91 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: go ahead, right, I just want it to illuminate your 92 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: point about how fluid this entire situation is. The vote 93 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: is again flipped back over to guilty. The down votes 94 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: again outnumber the up votes by a few thousand as 95 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: we reached the waning moments before the verdict is final. Now, look, 96 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: I have to reiterate this is not a legal trial, 97 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: but because of extraordinary circumstances in Los Angeles, the real 98 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: life ramifications of this social media vote may prove to 99 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: be every bit as real as if it were held 100 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: in a government court. Colleen, you want to add something, Yes, 101 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: It's just that normally in capital punishment cases you have 102 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: an appellate process that can take years, decades even before 103 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: someone actually gets executed. What makes this situation so extraordinary 104 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: is that this vote could lead to immediate, irreparable calling calling. 105 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right about that. And for those of you 106 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: watching at home, the clock has just struck midnight. So 107 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: that's it. According to the parameters set on at gerald 108 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: OG's polycam user accoun the official tally is in. No 109 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: more votes will be counted. Let's listen in Sergeant Place, 110 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: you got anything else that you want to say? They 111 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: gotta be with us all, Jason, give me the numbers. 112 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: Four million, eight thousand votes and uh, four million, one thousand, 113 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: five h Now, Jesus, it's not guilty, And by a 114 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: narrow margin, it appears as though Sergeant Place has been 115 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: voted not guilty by the people. Not guilty. I repeat, 116 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: the question remains, will Gerald honor the verdict of the 117 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: people that he himself solicited and will he end the standoff? Colleen, 118 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: what's the response been like outside of ja Yes, Brianna. 119 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: Right after we heard the votes, Holly being spread back 120 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: to Gerald, presumably from Jason Shaw. You could hear spattered 121 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: cheers from the police, but for the most part, the 122 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: crowd here seems extremely dissatisfied with the verdict, as you 123 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: can clearly hear from the chance all around. Hold on 124 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: a second, collegen, hold on, Gerald Hayes is speaking again. 125 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: This is the moment. Let's hear what he has to 126 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: say through this voting. Once again, America has proven that 127 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: black love still don't matter for ship. Seconds after Gerald 128 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: ends his live feed, the throw line phone starts to 129 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: ring again. On the security cam, we see Gerald crossed 130 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: into the main bar area and answer the call. Hello, Hey, 131 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: it's Patterson. Detective Listen, Gee, there's still a lot of 132 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: guns pointing in all kinds of directions out here. What 133 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: do you say, I come on in there before something 134 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: stupid happens. Yeah, I'm calling in. I'm going in. In 135 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: news footage and in the surveillance video, we see Detective 136 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: Patterson bolt out of the command trailer and repeatedly call 137 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: out Gerald, letting me in, letting me go in. It's 138 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: all good about to stake. That was a big moment. 139 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 1: It needed to be big. I had to make a 140 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: show of it. You know, because I wanted everyone with 141 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: their gun drawn on our side and the other side 142 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: to know that I had permission to go into the 143 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: bar and that I was unarmed. So as I approached 144 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: the front door to Jason's forty two, I handed Captain 145 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: Flora as my service weapon. Then I lifted up my 146 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: pants leg and gave him my ankle holster as well. 147 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: Think it's me take about armor. Can you walk us 148 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: through what we're seeing in the surveillance video, because unlike 149 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: other people that went in that night, Gerald doesn't frisk 150 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: you or anything. But I think by then from this 151 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: point of view, was probably like, what's the point. Also, 152 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: as you can see in this footage, I'm doing my 153 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: best keep him at ease the whole time. I have 154 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: my hands in there, you know, showing that I post 155 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: no threat. But I was keeping an eye on the 156 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: handgun which he was holding loosely at his side, just 157 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: in case it looked like he was about to make 158 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: an erratic move. Okay, So right here, I go past 159 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: him at the entry and sort of mosey around the 160 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: bar to get a look around. Then you can see 161 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: as I walked towards the kitchen, I I sort of freeze, 162 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: because that's when I spotted Nile's body for the first time. 163 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: And uh, well you here, Gerald say to me, you 164 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: can put your hands down down detect is this way. 165 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: He walks ahead of me here, and now I'm following 166 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: him towards the dining room, and as I enter, I 167 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: see Jay sitting on a stool over to the right. 168 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: And then I turned my head to the opposite side 169 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: of the room and I see the sergeant Gerald walks 170 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: towards place and I see him slide his finger over 171 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: the trigger and the handgun. Now my mind is racing 172 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: because I'm thinking, am I gonna have to jump him 173 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: before he has a chance to shoot? But then Gerald, 174 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: always full of surprises, does his thing. Sergeant Place, your 175 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: body it is free to go. The way he phrased 176 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: that your body is free to go. He didn't really 177 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: register to me what Gerald was saying, probably because I 178 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: was so hopped up in that fight or flight state 179 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: of mind. But you can see it in the video 180 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: here that Sergeant place knew exactly what it meant, and 181 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: he sort of looks at me for confirmation, and that's 182 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: when he hit me. He just released a hostage. So 183 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: I give Place a reassuring no, like yeah, this is real, 184 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: and help him up from the chair and start walking 185 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: him out the door. And as soon as me in 186 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: Sergeant placed round the corner. At that entryway, I could 187 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: see Commander am And standing outside directly in front of us. 188 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: But as we start to take those final steps out 189 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: the bar felt like it took forever to get from 190 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: the door to the commander. Sergeant Place was really leaning 191 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: on me, so I was putting in work just to 192 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: keep us moving forward. But the main reason was I 193 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: could just feel every pair of eyes in the area 194 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: was locked on us. All that scrutiny made for what 195 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: felt like a very long walk. In reality, it couldn't 196 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: have been more than ten, maybe twelve paces. Did you 197 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: know what Amas was planning to do next? I had 198 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: no idea. I think the Commander was improvising, just like 199 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: I was. Sergeant Place. You have the right to remain silent. 200 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: Anything you say can and will be used against you 201 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: in a court of law. You have the right to 202 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: an attorney and having present, come on, Place. Come on. 203 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: The Commander personally cuffed Sergeant Place and then loaded them 204 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: into the back of an ambulance. But they were doing 205 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: that you could see me head right back into the restaurant. 206 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: Gerald was still armed, which meant he was still a 207 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: threat to others and a threat to himself. You thought 208 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: that he might try and hurt himself across my mind 209 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: for sure. I just knew we weren't out the woods yet, 210 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: and the commander knew it too. Without ever saying anything 211 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: to each other, it was clear. My job was a 212 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: deal with Gerald, and his job was to deal with 213 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: the mess outside. And right as I re entered the restaurant, 214 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: that's when I hear the Commander's voice raised up from outside. 215 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: Put that thing down, Hey, hey, stand down. The commander 216 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: is literally putting his hands on his officer's guns and 217 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: shoving them downward. Then you hear Captain Flora's calling out 218 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: behind Ammond's sort of backing him up, because you could 219 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: tell it was a bit of a reluctance from some 220 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: of the officers at first, because they didn't want to 221 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: stand down. Heck no, But once Flora has got involved, 222 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: they all fell in love. Stand down, stand down. You 223 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: heard the commander, weapons down. Nobody gets Hops, We're Sergeant Hops. 224 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: I was still in the trailer when I heard on 225 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: the radio that the commander is looking for me, So 226 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: I hustle on outside and the commander pulls me close. 227 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: And now who's the guy, which meant which one of 228 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: these guys has enough sway to do what he just did? 229 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: But on the other side, and who was that Big Age? 230 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: So I point him out in the crowd. The commander 231 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: walked straight over to him, whisper something in his ear, 232 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: and the next thing you see is Big Age following 233 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: Commander Ammonds into the trailer. When I saw Commander Ammonds 234 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: and Big Ages walking away from everyone, at first, I'm 235 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: thinking where are they going? But as I saw him 236 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: approaching the trailer, I caught on and sure enough, Patterson 237 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: Ammonds here, Commander, I have a big h here for 238 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: gerald Ge. This Big Age helloj the police commander got 239 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: his man stand down. He asked me to do the same, 240 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: but you know what I told him, No, no, man, 241 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: I just wanted to right. But now, well you didn't, 242 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: did it? Day? You know how we feel. We're riding 243 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: with you no matter what whatever you say. We were 244 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: all with it. You go whichever, but we don't made 245 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: a pointment. I feel you whatever you said behind me. 246 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: Seconds later, Big Age comes out of the command trailer, 247 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: and without saying a word, he simply holds his gun 248 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: in the air, calmly tucks it in his waistband. Then 249 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: every armed protester does the same, and just like that, 250 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: a single gesture ends the standoff outside the bar. That's 251 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: what I knew it was over for real, not just 252 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: because Big Age got everyone on his side and lower 253 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: their weapons. It was at that moment that I looked 254 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: at Gerald and for the first time I saw a 255 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: disabled man, a vulnerable man, a broken man, like someone 256 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: who desperately needed help. So I said to him, a gee, 257 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna need that. In the surveillance video, we see 258 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: Gerald give Detective Patterson his rifle and the pistol before 259 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: asking can I say good bottom, my boy? Now? Yeah, brother, 260 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: I think you should. That was mm hm hm hmm. 261 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: Just give me a second, of course. Um. I got 262 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: the feeling that, even though he had been in that 263 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: building with Niles for hours, it was like he wasn't 264 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: able to say goodbye as a father, to warn his 265 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: son properly until he laid his arms down, you know, 266 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: So he didn't just excuse me, Curtis, It's okay. Gerald 267 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: didn't just surrender his weapons to me. He also surrendered 268 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: any remaining guard he had up over his feelings, and 269 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: that wasn't easy to see. So Patterson calls me over 270 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: and hands me Gerald's weapons, then tells me that he 271 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: wants to make good on a promise he made to 272 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: Nile's mother. I didn't see any harm in it, so 273 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: I radioed Sergeant Homer and had him bring her over, 274 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: and then I had about six of my men enter 275 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: the building as well to essentially secure the surrender. As 276 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: more police began to enter the bar, Gerald can be 277 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: seen crossing into the kitchen, where he climbs onto the 278 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: table with Niles and curls into a fetal position, wrapping 279 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: his arms around his son. This is what we hear. 280 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I couldn't take you to the game. 281 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm soul sorry, I'm sorry. You're good. I couldn't be 282 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: h I couldn't I couldn't make you proud to read. 283 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: I was so proud of you, run, I was so 284 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: fucking proud of you. Med As Gerald clutches his son, 285 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: Michelle enters the kitchen and stands over them. She kisses 286 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: Nile's head, then places her lips on Gerald's forehead as well, 287 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, Kate, I had I had hours to prepare 288 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: myself with the reality that that the next time I 289 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: saw my son it would just be his body. But 290 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: what I discovered when I finally got a chance to 291 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: see Niles was that I was totally unprepared to witness 292 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: Gerald the way that he was. And how would you 293 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: describe what you saw? Unmanned? So I chose in that moment, 294 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: rather than the focus on the thing my goodbye to Niles, 295 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: I decided to turn into the living to Gerald. H 296 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: whatever you whispered to him that seemed to bring him back. 297 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: Do you remember what you said? Chun up, nose down, 298 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: rise together, And that's what he did. At the time 299 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: Gerald and Michelle exit the kitchen, the police have already 300 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: handcuffed Jase, but he's still in the bar with the 301 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: other arresting officers. Seeing this, Gerald crosses his hands in 302 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: for us up the last thing he was obligated to 303 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: surrender himself. Patterson recounts, I didn't have any cuffs on me, 304 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: but one of the officers nearby tossed me there's and 305 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: I hooked him. Usually at this point, I'm gone, A 306 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: job is done. Decision is like when to walk Gerald 307 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: and Jay's out, which exit, who was doing it? All? 308 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: That sort of thing normally isn't my call, but these 309 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: were extraordinary circumstances, and no one wanted to make a 310 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: bone head move and potentially inflame the situation again. So 311 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: when the commander calls me over to the cipher of 312 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: uniform cops having a little impromptu meeting, I figured that's 313 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: what he wanted to discuss the details of Gerald's p Curtis, 314 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: I was wondering, if do you think it would be 315 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: all right if I paid my respects, if the if 316 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: the men, if we the the man paid on spects, Detective, Yeah, 317 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: I think that would be a good idea, sir. In 318 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: the video, we see Commander Ammon straightened his collar, adjust 319 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: his pants at the waist, and take four regimented steps 320 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: across the room. M hm, Mr Hayes, Mrs Hayes, I'm 321 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: Commander Ammond's on behalf of the entire department. I'm sorry 322 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 1: for your loss, sir. Well. From there, the Commander can 323 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: be seen entering the kitchen, where he bows his head 324 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: respectfully and says a silent prayer. He then takes the 325 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: pin off of his shirt and leaves it on the 326 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: table next to Niles as the commander exits next to 327 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: enter the kitchen as Captain Flores, he too offers a 328 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: moment of silence and leaves his captain's hat on the 329 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: table next to the commander's pin. By then, we had 330 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: gotten word of the surrender had taken place, so we 331 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: were pretty much just waiting to cover Gerald's exit. Colleen 332 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: Sanders recounts me, my cameraman, and my producer hoped it 333 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: would all happen out the front door, because our camera 334 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: was set up in the perfect spot for that shot. 335 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: But then I started seeing all these cops forming a 336 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: long line that started inside the building and was stretching 337 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: down the block. And I'm thinking to myself, well, that's strange, 338 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: because surely they don't need that many officers to help 339 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: with the arrest. So now my spider senses are tingling, 340 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: and I'm looking more closely at these cops, and I 341 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: noticed that every minute or so, another one of them 342 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: was coming out from inside the bar, and they all 343 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: just had the oddest expressions. What do they look like? Softer? 344 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: More human? But them? I went in there, it was police, protesters, media, 345 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: Everyone was paying homage to knowledge. You know must have 346 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: seen over fifty or more items left behind by the 347 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: police alone, everything from the badges, hads, pins, you name. 348 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: It looked like a shrine up in there when you 349 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: experienced something like that, even for somebody like me who 350 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: was having a real hatred in my heart for the 351 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: police for pretty much my entire life, and gets you 352 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: to thank you or maybe something could come out of this. 353 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, now's died over some bullshit. 354 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: But what happened that night, it was a moment. How 355 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: so ship we soldier up and got ready to throw down, 356 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: and I think it did something for the people. And 357 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: then the grand scheme of things was the significance of 358 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: that look im from the streets. So the significance of 359 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: that is everything. Whether it's a bully or a game 360 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: or even the police, you're gonna get trapped on over 361 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: and over again unless you stand up for yourself. And 362 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: to me, we stood up for real. That's what allowed 363 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: us to all go to overweight at night towards peace. 364 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: And I'm proud of that. Do you feel like you 365 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: might have to stand up like that again? I hope not, 366 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: because if we do, we're gonn have to do stand up. 367 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: Getting Gerald out of the building was our final hurdle. 368 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: This is the voice of Commander Emmonds. I was glad 369 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: that Gerald and Michelle got to see everyone paying respects 370 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: to their son, and the atmosphere around the building no 371 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: longer had that inevitable feeling of doom. And of course, 372 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: the last thing I wanted to do was reignite the 373 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: powder keg that had just been diffused. But it wasn't 374 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: until I saw a big Age in line to go 375 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: see Niles that I got the idea to ask him 376 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: if he would be willing to walk with me as 377 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: we marched Gerald and Jay's from the building to the 378 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: squad cars we had waiting outside. Why did you want 379 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: Big Age to accompany you? I thought it was important 380 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: for people to see Gerald in cuffs. To me, that 381 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: image signified a restoration of law and order. Having Big 382 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: Age make that walk with us was just a way 383 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: to ensure that everyone stayed cool. Bryan, after hours of 384 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: being holed up and stand off with police, Gerald Hayes, 385 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: father of the now deceased eighteen year old Niles Hayes, 386 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: who was brutally beaten to death by police earlier, today 387 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: is in handcuffs and is being marched out of the building. 388 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: And just listen to the enthusiasm of this crowd as 389 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: police lead Gerald Hayes toward a squad cart. Although he's 390 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: wearing restraints, Gerald Hayes just raised both in his hands 391 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: in the air to acknowledge the supporters chanting his Sun's 392 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: me looking back, Kate. It was just a historical night, 393 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: So I have a lot of big memories. But I 394 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: guess the thing that's seared into my brain more than 395 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: anything else is the look on Gerald's face as the 396 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: crowd cheered for him and cheered for Niles. What was 397 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: the look? Bitter sweet? And then Gerald nods ever so 398 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: slightly as if to say thank you, and he gets 399 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: in the police car. As the car carrying Gerald hay 400 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: slowly inched away from the scene, the crowd continued to 401 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: mobroke Niles is naw It would be hours before the 402 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: massively long line of Los Angelenos going in and out 403 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: of Jas's forty two would finally dissipate. By dawn, Jason's 404 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: forty two sports bar and Grill had been converted into 405 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: a virtual memorial site with floral arrangements, murals, candles and 406 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: other mementos that people left behind. I think it's also 407 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: fair to say, inasmuch as people were paying their respects 408 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: to Niles, on some level there was a sense of 409 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: relief to that the collective we chose peace and love 410 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: over mutual destruction, Which leads to this question. For all 411 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: that happened that day, the good and the bad, and 412 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: for all that has transpired in the year that has passed, 413 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: has anything really changed? And maybe just as important, is 414 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: something like this going to happen again? Listen to what 415 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: Commander Ammon said about this. Speaking for myself, I can 416 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: tell you how that day altered my perspective on things. 417 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: In order for police to do our job effectively, we 418 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: have to find a way to maintain or regain the 419 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: moral high ground. And if we keep seating our goodwill 420 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: to things like racism, misconduct, or cover ups, even we 421 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: run the risk of altering the type of society we 422 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: presume to have and what type of society will we 423 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: end up with if we don't do this. A lot 424 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: of very good one all due respect to the Commander Kate, 425 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: but he's just one man, and one man's epiphany isn't 426 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: going to fix anything. But I will say this, things 427 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: have definitely changed in what way we've gotten worse. I mean, 428 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: look at me. I got run out of the force 429 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: because too many people felt that I was too sympathetic 430 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: to Gerald All that Coombay a ship you saw from 431 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: police officers leaving behind badges and shaking hands with gang bankers. 432 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: That last at about twenty four hours, and it was 433 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: right back to business as usual next thing you know, 434 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm hearing that a lot of my former fellow officers 435 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: felt that I chose black over blue. If anybody chose 436 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: black over blue that day, I would argue that it 437 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: was Commander Ammond's. That's funny that he's been commended for 438 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: how he handled the situation and you got vilified. Funny 439 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: isn't the word I would use, But I agree seekers 440 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: That's exactly why I've enjoyed talking to you so much. Truly, 441 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: you are not afraid to just level with me. I 442 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: was never good at lying, and that's why you're the 443 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: perfect person to ask, how do we make sure that 444 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: this never happens again? But he's killing an unowned black 445 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: person with a brink of civil war both mm hmm prayer. Yeah, 446 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: but you're not religious, You've got a better idea thought, 447 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: So how can you get another beer? What one? So shall? 448 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: I want to start by thanking you for inviting me 449 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: to your home again, and just overall because you've been 450 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: so patient with me with my questions, and I know 451 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: it hasn't been easy. And I also want to say 452 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm a bit nervous because there's something I've been wanting 453 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: to ask you. You want to know if I blame 454 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: Gerald for now this is passing? Wow? Am I that transparent? 455 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,719 Speaker 1: Jase gave me a heads up, and I'm glad he 456 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: did because I like you, Kate, and I may have 457 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: felt some kind of way about it if you just 458 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: asked me that question the wrong way, that's completely fair. 459 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I know Gerald Tart and you couldn't 460 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: convince me in a thousand years that he for one 461 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: second wasn't doing what he thought was best for Niles. 462 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that I haven't imagined every single 463 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: scenario where if maybe this happens, then now is is 464 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: still alive, or if that happens, then maybe he's just paralyzed, 465 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: but he's still here. But the truth is the thing 466 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: I obsessed about more than anything is why didn't not 467 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,959 Speaker 1: I was just put his hands at ten and two 468 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: and say to those cops yes sir, no sir, or 469 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: I'm sorry sir. Why did he talk back? Why wasn't 470 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: he more clever or or more charming? And then I 471 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: hate myself but thinking these things, Kate, because wat should 472 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: my son have to be perfectly polite or perfectly likable 473 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: to survive a freaking traffic stop. And every once in 474 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: a while I think, Wow, my baby touched the entire world, 475 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: he and Gerald both And then for a minute or 476 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: so I'm at peace, but it never lasts. I'll never 477 00:31:50,720 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: really be a piece until I'm in my resting place. Mh. 478 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: I want to give you something, Kate, and I think 479 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: it will help you find something better than just answers 480 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: to your questions. What is it? Revelation? About five months ago, 481 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: I got a call from the police department and they 482 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: told me to come down to the station and pick 483 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: up now its belongings, which confused me at first because 484 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: I had already claimed all of this stuff from the hospital. 485 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: But these two things never made it with them to 486 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 1: the hospital. They were found at the scene here. Oh, Michell, 487 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't I can't take these, Kate. You are telling 488 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: the story of both of my men, and it's important 489 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: that you get it right. I'm not giving these to 490 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: you as a gift. They are something I expect you 491 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: to bear and to honor. The first thing inside the 492 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: envelope was niles driver's license. Apparently Sergeant Place must have 493 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: dropped it on the street as the altercation began. The 494 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: other item was Niles is Moehler, the same tooth that 495 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: was bludgeoned out of his mouth by Officer Webb's knee. 496 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: So there I was sitting across from Michelle her Son's government, 497 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: I d and dental remains in the palm of my hand, 498 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden I felt an unbearable shame 499 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: come over me. It became painfully obvious to me that 500 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: no amount of analytical thinking, information parsing, or interviewing would 501 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: ever get me to understand, because this isn't something you 502 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: can get by thinking. It's something you have to feel. 503 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: And just like Michelle intended, like a revelation, this is 504 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: what came to me as I sat there, dumbfounded. In 505 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: all this time, I hadn't taken less loss as if 506 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: he was my own. And I think Michelle knew that, 507 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: and I think Jason knew that too. The fact of 508 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: the matter is Niles and Gerald, until that very moment, 509 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: where a story to me. But a lot of the 510 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: people who supported Gerald's child didn't look at Niles and 511 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: Gerald as a story. They didn't see themselves as something 512 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: apart from their own lives. They were watching their people, 513 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: they were watching family, they were watching themselves. Holding the 514 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: last solid remnant of what was once Niles is vibrant 515 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: life in the palm of my hand. Put me in 516 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: a place that previously I just wasn't able to get to. 517 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 1: And the best way I can describe that feeling is 518 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: that it was overwhelming. It was sorrowful, angry, and I 519 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: just had an impulse to scream. Somebody has to do something, 520 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 1: somebody has to keep this type of thing from ever 521 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: happening again. That's exactly what Gerrold did. He did something, 522 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of people needed that, And I understand 523 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: that now. And look, there was no version of me 524 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: that would ever have voted in the trial. Call me 525 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: old fashioned, naive, or even privileged, but I still believe 526 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,479 Speaker 1: in the rule of law. So when I left Michelle's place, 527 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: I knew I needed to examine myself just as hard 528 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: as I spent the last year looking at Gerald Hayes. 529 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: And Originally I had planned for my interview with Michelle 530 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: to be the last one for this project, but I 531 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 1: realized that I needed one more sit down to fix 532 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: a wrong that I committed along the way, Because even 533 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: though Jason I had established a really good rapport after 534 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: getting off to a rocky start, I now see that 535 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: some of my questions around guilt and culpability may have 536 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: been justifiable from an investigative standpoint, but it no longer 537 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: sat well with me from a human point of view, 538 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: and I needed to correct that. This time, our meet 539 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: up was at a restaurant that I suggested in Santa Monica, 540 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: one that overlooks the peer. Jason was well enough to 541 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: leave a sober living apartment again, so I figured we'd 542 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: give it a try. As I waited for him to arrive, 543 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: I thought about all the people whose lives were intimately 544 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: touched by the day Niles was killed. I thought about 545 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: the people that subsequently then let me into their homes, there, workplaces, 546 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: and in varying degrees, into their hearts and minds. Then 547 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: I thought about Sergeant Place, who as of today, is 548 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: still waiting on the grand jury to decide whether or 549 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: not he will be charged for niles His death, and 550 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: has repeatedly refused to interview for this project, citing pending 551 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: the litigation. I also thought about Officer Webb and how 552 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: his last act on this planet, before being shot by 553 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: his own partner, was beating an innocent man to death 554 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: for no reason at all, and how that same no 555 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: reason at all justified the killing of Philando Castile to 556 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: mere Rice, Eric Gardner, Michael Brown, Lacwon McDonald, Freddie Gray 557 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: Trayvon Martin, George Floyd, Sandra Bland, and so many more. 558 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: But mostly as I sat there, I thought about Gerald 559 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: Gerald Hayes, the man who I had spent the better 560 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 1: part of a year either trying to understand or empathize with, 561 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: and all too often prosecute. And regardless of how many 562 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 1: times I tried to get him to take a visit 563 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: from me while he waits in the County jail for 564 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: his trial, in which he has been indicted on fourteen counts, 565 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: including kidnapping and the murder of his own son, Gerald's 566 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: attorney always relays the same message my client has said 567 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: all that he wishes to say on the matter. Still 568 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,919 Speaker 1: deep in thought, I pondered these things when I hear 569 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: my name, Okay, you are right, and I look up, 570 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: almost as if coming out of a deep slumber, and 571 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: before me I see a very healthy looking Jay Shaw 572 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: standing across the table. As I take him in, I 573 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 1: wonder if Jace looks better than ever because he's winning 574 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: his battle with addiction, or is it because he's lost 575 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: a few pounds, Or maybe it's because he recently found 576 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: out that the d A has dropped all charges against him. 577 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,399 Speaker 1: I see you got your recording right. You must got 578 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: a lot of questions to think, because you usually don't 579 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: break it out of the We've already smoked questions today. Actually, 580 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: this time it's it's here to record my voice, if 581 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: you're up for it. I just want you to give 582 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: Gerald a message for me. But before I do that, 583 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: I want to apologize to you. Jas. I guess in 584 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: all of my poking and plotting and looking for someone 585 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,720 Speaker 1: to blame and all of this, I let you blame 586 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: yourself and I did worse than that. I push you 587 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: to blame yourself. Hi, for what it's worth. I just 588 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,240 Speaker 1: I hope if I am ever, in a real bind. 589 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: I have the type of friend who was stand up 590 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: for me like you did for Gerald. That day, Jase 591 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: gives me a big bear hug that I wasn't quite expecting, 592 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: but it was one that I think we both very 593 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: much needed, and for the next few minutes we both 594 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: cried in the middle of the restaurant. I think the 595 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: waiter came over twice to ask us if we needed anything, 596 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: but really she was suggesting that we stopped disturbing the 597 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: other customers. And I wish I could tell you exactly 598 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: what made me so emotional, One because and not much 599 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: of a crier, and two because I wasn't crying about 600 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: anything in particular. My guess is that it was just 601 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: an all out emotional purge that needed to happen as 602 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: I concluded this year long journey where I had basically 603 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: been groundhog s daying Niles is death over and over. 604 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 1: Here's the message I recorded for Gerald. Okay, here goes 605 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: mm hmm. Hello Gerald. My name is Kate Bell, and 606 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: I've spent the last twelve months of my professional life 607 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: trying to come to terms with one thing, how I 608 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: should view you, and in all of my reporting and 609 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: logical thinking, I hope to come up with the clear 610 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: picture of Gerald Hayes the man. Is he a hero 611 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: or a villain? To blame or not to blame? But 612 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: the deeper I stepped into your world, the foggy are 613 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 1: the lines between right and wrong? God for me, and 614 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: really it's it's more than that, because it also became 615 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: harder for me to separate the line between Kate Bell 616 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: the journalist and Kate the person. At the start of 617 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: this project, my instinct was telling me that beyond Officer 618 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: Webb and Sergeant Places attack on your son, there was 619 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: a third accomplice responsible for niles of death. And for 620 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: a long time I pegged you there's even evidence to 621 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: support that claim, But I want you to know that 622 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: in the court of Kate Bell, I deemed that evidence 623 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: to be inadmissible. Your son was murdered by the very 624 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,720 Speaker 1: people who are supposed to be our protectors, and getting 625 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: on the other side of that emotional singularity is something 626 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: that I'm just ashamed to say has taken me too 627 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: long to arrive at. Thankfully, Michelle helped me understand that 628 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: that's all I really needed to know in the first place. 629 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: But my instinct was right, there was a third accomplice, 630 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,800 Speaker 1: one that has been hiding in plain sight all along. 631 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: But it's it's not one person, it's all of us. 632 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: It's me, and it's countless others who have been camouflaging 633 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 1: ourselves with silence, who have been unable or unwilling to 634 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: understand that throughout this despicable legacy of cases where we 635 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: see unarmed black men and boys and women suffer the 636 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: same fate at the hands of police, how that not 637 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: only destroys lives, but it also destroys every bit of 638 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: moral authority that the police have in this country. And 639 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: even more, it's eroding the soul of our nation. Our 640 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: silence and our ignorance has been and continues to be 641 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 1: our complicity. Our silence and our ignorance is our culpability, 642 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: and we're guilty. To me, that's what your trial was about, 643 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: exposing us as that third assailant. And as long as 644 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: the savage ritual of contempt for black lives at the 645 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 1: hands of police is allowed to find safe harbor in 646 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,839 Speaker 1: precincts and prosecutors offices and court rooms, then every one 647 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: of us is at risk because the next time we 648 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: may not be so lucky. We may not be able 649 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: to pull back from the brink of mutual destruction, and 650 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: you showed us that. But as grim as that may be, 651 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: I also don't despair because we are not doomed to 652 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: repeat this cycle over and over. And the reason I 653 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: know that is because I found my hero and all 654 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: of this. Eles Gerald, Your son was so unbelievably precious, 655 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 1: and because of you, the world will never forget him 656 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: or what he stood for. And for that, I thank you, 657 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: and I salute you, and I pray that we can 658 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: live up to his memory and his words. Chin Up, 659 00:44:33,280 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: Noise Down, Rise Together, Hashtag Matter, starring Amen Joseph as 660 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: Gerald Hayes, Jennifer Christopher as Kate Bell, Steve Harris as 661 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: Jace Shaw Hayley, Joel Osmond as Sergeant Place, Pooch Hall 662 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,320 Speaker 1: as Martin Simms, and Snoop Dogg as Big H. Additional 663 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: performances by Nile Bullock as Nile's Hayes, Serina Pouncy as 664 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: Michelle Hayes, Alfonso Faustino as Sergeant Hobbs, John Lacy as 665 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: Commander Emmonds, Alex Kihano as Captain Flores, Monte Russell as 666 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 1: Detective Patterson, and Stephen Robert Wallenberg as Detective Halmer, with 667 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 1: appearances by Mercy Malick, Ryan Smith, Amir Tali, Alex Vaughan, 668 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 1: Colin Ward, and Orvald Williams. Hashtag Matter was written and 669 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,760 Speaker 1: directed by Dylan C. Brown. Our executive producers are Sandy Bailey, 670 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: Lauren Holman, Dylan Brown, Winnie Kemp, and Amen Joseph. 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