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Speaker 1: accomplish that task. Guys, with all this in mind, take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut fifty two. Take a listen.

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Speaker 1: A source tells people about Chris Watts, the man who

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Speaker 1: murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters, is aware of

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Speaker 1: the explosive new Netflix documentary about his infamous case and

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Speaker 1: says that it brings back a lot of a shame

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Speaker 1: for him. The source says Wats will probably never see

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Speaker 1: the documentary entitled American Murder the Family next Door, adding quote,

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Speaker 1: He's curious about it, but he hates even knowing that

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Speaker 1: his texts are out there for the public to read.

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Speaker 1: It brings back awful memories of twenty eighteen for him.

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Speaker 1: The documentary is now streaming on Netflix, and it includes

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Speaker 1: rarely seen text messages and letters exchanged between Way and

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Speaker 1: his Way Channan. Watched strangled Chanan on August thirteenth, twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: in their Colorado home. He then drove her body to

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Speaker 1: a job site at the oil company where he worked.

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Speaker 1: After disposing of his wife's body, he then smothered his daughters,

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Speaker 1: four year old Bella and three year old Celeste. According

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Speaker 1: to authorities, Watch went on his murderous three because he

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Speaker 1: was having an affair with a co worker who thought

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Speaker 1: he was already separated once again. Watt says he's being

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Speaker 1: quote triggered this time by the documentary because his life

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Speaker 1: is available for public consumption. But in my mind, I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised at all. Take a listen to what he

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Speaker 1: said in his confession. I look outside every day in lady,

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Speaker 1: what coming right now? Right now? I had a five

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Speaker 1: year old fielderful son. He is actually behind bars, whining

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Speaker 1: that he's alone, that it's just it's quote, it's just me, now, me, me, me, me,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you call that, Karen Start, don't

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Speaker 1: say he's insane. Do not even fix your mouth, Karen Start,

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Speaker 1: don't do that to me and just push me over

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Speaker 1: the edge. What is that? I mean? He murdered them

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Speaker 1: in a horrible fashion, you heard Joe Scott Morgan. And

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Speaker 1: now he's sad because it's just him, and he's a narcissist, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Everything is about him, and he also has no conscience,

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Speaker 1: no feelings, even when he describes and they think about that.

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Speaker 1: If it's true that he tried to smother his little girls,

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Speaker 1: his very young girls, and they came into the room

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Speaker 1: and were able to revise, and he sees them bruised,

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Speaker 1: and still he puts them in the car if they

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Speaker 1: know that something terrible is happening, and he's able to

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Speaker 1: kill them, and one of them says, no daddy, no daddy,

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Speaker 1: and he says, very calmly, you know that is somebody

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Speaker 1: who cannot feel, has no conscience and doesn't look it

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Speaker 1: is the name of it. What narcissism. He's a narcissist

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Speaker 1: and a psychopath. He's able to commit murder without having

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Speaker 1: second thoughts about it. You hear Carrie Start New York

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Speaker 1: psychologists talking. Isn't it true? Because I've seen it, and

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Speaker 1: this is anecdotal that so many criminal defendants they don't

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Speaker 1: feel the pain of other people. They just sit there

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Speaker 1: in court watching testimony, looking at crime scene photos of

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Speaker 1: a grouse and murder. It means nothing to them what

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Speaker 1: these people have been through at their hands. That's right,

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Speaker 1: and we often see that in career criminals, in people

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Speaker 1: that have victimized people over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: They can do that, you know, if they're even even

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Speaker 1: with muggers, or obviously over and over again in in

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Speaker 1: case like this where he annihilates his entire family and

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Speaker 1: young children. I mean, it's a single event, but it

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Speaker 1: shows you that he can do that, and his behavior,

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Speaker 1: both immediately afterwards and now long term afterwards shows you

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Speaker 1: that he has no feeling and no caring and no

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Speaker 1: empathy for anyone in this situation other than himself. And

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Speaker 1: it's all, like the doc said, it's all about him.

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Speaker 1: And so yes, with these repeat offenders or these single

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Speaker 1: offenders that can do something so evil to people they

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Speaker 1: supposedly love, you find that that that that lack of

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Speaker 1: of of emotion, lack of feeling, lack of contact connection

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Speaker 1: with another human being, You couldn't if you have any

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Speaker 1: kind of connection with that person, you couldn't have carried

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Speaker 1: out murders like this, you know. Dylan Thomas, Champion, Joe Scott. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: kind of dovetailing with what Bobby was just saying and

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Speaker 1: caring as well. Reflect back to what Cheryl Lynn had

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Speaker 1: mentioned just a while ago relative to this choking event

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Speaker 1: that took place. You know, there is there is one

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Speaker 1: comment that has been made relative to what Watts had done.

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Speaker 1: He claims that he witnessed NaN's eyes filled with blood.

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Speaker 1: And you know this comes about you know, uh, she

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Speaker 1: had mentioned that he had choked her per the juggler

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Speaker 1: vein Now that's kind of, you know whatever, he claims

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Speaker 1: that he knows where that is. That's all finally good.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know he was an anatomist. But the reality

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Speaker 1: is this. He recalled that Nancy that goes to tell

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Speaker 1: you how he can kind of diminish her. He's choking

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Speaker 1: her to the point and this is real. He's choking

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Speaker 1: her to the point where the blood is backing up.

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Speaker 1: How many times have we talked about particular images in

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Speaker 1: the eyes where we have an asphyxial debt. That's what

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Speaker 1: he's specifically talking about. He remembers this. I think he's

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Speaker 1: actually kind of a longing for this. He's seeing this

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Speaker 1: is kind of a completion of what he was involved

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Speaker 1: in to get rid of the two Dylan Thomas, CBS four,

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Speaker 1: Denver Piggyback and what Joe Scott just said, the dichotomy

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Speaker 1: of what he did with what we're seeing in the

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Speaker 1: Netflix documentary because they tell in the True Crime Dot

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Speaker 1: the story through a lot of social media posts and text.

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Speaker 1: For instance, on the day Watts killed pregnant Shenana, their

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Speaker 1: two daughters, they were texting that morning about what do

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Speaker 1: they want from the grocery and dinner plans. She writes,

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Speaker 1: what kind of veggies do you want with dinner tonight?

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Speaker 1: He says broccoli, green beans, And then just later on

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Speaker 1: he's doing fake texts about can you call me please,

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Speaker 1: right after he strangled and dumped, strangled and dumped her body. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he's seen on surveillance video at a local gas

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Speaker 1: station buying breakfast burritos moments after he just murdered his

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Speaker 1: entire family. It's fascinating to follow the timeline based off

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Speaker 1: their social media and their text alone, even following the deaths,

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Speaker 1: where he was even trying to send out these fake

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Speaker 1: texts to his realtors saying he wants to put up

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Speaker 1: the house for sale. He's calling the children school telling

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Speaker 1: them that they're not going to be coming back, he's

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Speaker 1: taken them out, or that he's just enrolling them, and

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Speaker 1: as if the public would just like, all right, they're gone,

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Speaker 1: that's okay. So the phone timelines really to a lot

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Speaker 1: and real quick. On the social media standpoint, I've formed

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Speaker 1: a relationship with the family's lawyer, the Russick family's lawyer,

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Speaker 1: the Chanan's family, and they say, to this day, a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are still cyber bullying them. Because they

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Speaker 1: believe Shennan actually committed some of the murders with the

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Speaker 1: two young girls, based off the original story that Chris told.

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Speaker 1: Once again, he's on his fourth or fifth story now

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Speaker 1: as to what happened. But what the fact is, people

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Speaker 1: around the world are sighting with him and buying that.

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Speaker 1: I blame the environment in this case. Sherlyn Catal, author

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Speaker 1: of Letters from Christopher, at the very beginning, his family,

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Speaker 1: the mom, according to him, didn't think Chanan was good enough.

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Speaker 1: Throughout they blame Chanan all along. And I think that

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Speaker 1: they still project that he kills Shennan because he saw

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Speaker 1: her killing the children. How can they still believe that? Well,

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Speaker 1: they definitely do believe that still. And there's a recent

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Speaker 1: video out there where he is on the follow from

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Speaker 1: the prison talking to a pasture and saying that he

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Speaker 1: was coerced into his confession. But it just amazes me

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Speaker 1: the letters that I have, the things that he says,

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Speaker 1: even talking about the morning of the murders, how he

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Speaker 1: had to shove, especially Bella through this eight inch hole.

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Speaker 1: I mean, think of an eight inch pizza or a

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Speaker 1: dinner plate. It's not very big to shove a four

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Speaker 1: year old road down there, and as he was pulling

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Speaker 1: away from the murder, what went to his minders? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Did I put Deeter in the cage before? I love

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Speaker 1: the hall? I mean, what does I tell you of

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Speaker 1: someone like that? There's no conscience, so of course he

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Speaker 1: can separate himself from what had happened and try to

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Speaker 1: make it look like Shnan did this. And I think

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Speaker 1: he almost believes his own life. Sharon. Is he still

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Speaker 1: in touch with any of his girlfriends or mistresses? Yes? Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know what the image he portrays to his lovers,

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Speaker 1: his girlfriends, his family, all of that is he told

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Speaker 1: police and the physical evidence. Oh yeah. The American Murder

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Speaker 1: an incredible piece of work by Netflix that really lays

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Speaker 1: Chris Watts bear as he still frets behind bars about

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Speaker 1: how it makes him look. Rot and Hale Watts Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories signing offer goodbye friend,