1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know from House Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry should Know. Okay, unclean? Unclean? 4 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: What is that from? I think that's what people with 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: leprosy were. They had to say, They had to like 6 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: ring a bell and say unclean when they walked through 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: town to people would avoid them. I knew about the bell. Yeah, 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: I think they would have to say unclean. Early sets 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: the story I heard man alive. Yeah, so he says 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: it all. It really does. Leprosy sinks stigma. Yeah, well yeah, 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: Handsome's disease. I think is the preferred term for it 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: these days, is it? Uh huh? I knew what was 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: called that, but I have like every article I saw, 14 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: I didn't even mention that. I don't know it's I 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: don't know who it's who's preferring it. Mr Hanson, I 16 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: guess whoever he is. Well, he's a nineteenth century I think, 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: um Swedish or Danish physician, the guy who just who 18 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: who discovered the actual bacteria that that does it. Yeah, 19 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: because we're talking leprosy and it's a bacterial infection after all. Yeah, 20 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: I think when folks hear the word leprosy or lepro colony, 21 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: they a lot of times may not even know what 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: the heck it is. And um, yeah, I guess we 23 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: should start off with just talking about the disease a 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, it's an ancient disease. I actually found 25 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: something from um the beginning of two fourteen, and they 26 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: discovered a new a new form of leprosy, new to humans, 27 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: but it's actually very old. But the the fact that 28 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: they can take this new form, the newly discovered form, 29 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: and compared to the one we've known about for centuries. Um, 30 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: they actually found that the fact that they diverged so 31 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: long ago makes them suspect that it's possible that leprosy 32 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: Hanson's disease is the oldest infectious disease to humans around. Really. Yeah, 33 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: they think that it definitely originated in Africa, that it 34 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 1: traveled out with humans in However, many waves that went 35 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: out of Africa spread around the rest of the world. 36 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: And one of the tell tale signs that it's extremely 37 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: old is that it only infects humans. As far as 38 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: we know, it doesn't infect any other animals except supposedly armadillos, 39 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: and they think that armadillos caught it from humans is 40 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: recently as a hundred or two hundred years ago. Well, 41 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: that's why if you're gonna see leprosy in the United States, 42 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna find it in Texas or Louisiana because 43 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: the armadillos. Yeah, crazy weird, there is leprosy here, I guess. Um, 44 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: I bet most people think that it's not in the 45 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: United States at all, but um, it is. It's super rare. Uh. 46 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: The CDC says they get about a hundred new cases 47 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: a year in the US um, which is super super low, 48 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: and only about twenty to forty of those are people 49 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: born um in the United States, like usually the other 50 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: forty eight I guess are bringing it in from another 51 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: country and have it for years without knowing it. Because 52 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: leprosy generally takes four to six years to manifest itself. 53 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: I've seen ten to twenty. Well, I mean it can't 54 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: take that long, but generally four to six years, which 55 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: is a big problem because first of all, it's it's rare. 56 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: But even in the parts of the world where it's 57 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: not all that rare, like you can be infected with leprosy, 58 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: like you said, for many, many years. And even if 59 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: you do start to show symptoms, they don't just automatically 60 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: point to leprosy. They can be skin rashes, respiratory problems 61 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: or something like that. So by the time a doctor says, oh, 62 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: you have Handson's disease, you're in big trouble. Or it 63 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: used to be the case. Yes, but now it is 64 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: completely curable, which is great news. UM. It is also 65 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: not contagious at all, hardly UM. Human beings have a 66 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: natural immunity. So the the biblical times of uh of 67 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: in in the Middle Ages where lepers were uh and 68 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: we'll get to all this, but when they were thought 69 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: like if you come anywhere close that you're going to 70 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: get this dread of disease, it's never been true. Yeah. 71 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: The thing is is as ancient as leprosy is. UM. 72 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: They still don't know exactly how it's transmitted. They assume 73 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: that it's transmitted like most other bacterial infections, like either 74 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 1: through um saliva or mucus, through a sneeze or something 75 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: like that, um or through cracks in the skin, and UM. 76 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: I saw both that it's either very hard to catch 77 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: or it's not that already catch I saw that it 78 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: doesn't live outside of the human body for very long, 79 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: or it can still remain potent in um, like just 80 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: basically on some sort of surface or whatever. Yeah. Um, 81 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,119 Speaker 1: but that that the last idea that it doesn't serve, 82 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: that it doesn't stay active outside the human body for 83 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: very long, is supported by the fact that they've never 84 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: been able to come up with the leprosy vaccine because 85 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: it can exist outside of the human body, which is 86 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: another idea or another reason why they think it's a 87 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: very ancient human disease because it's specifically tailored for humans. 88 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: And do you know how how it works? Yeah? Sure, 89 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: Well you want to talk about how it actually what 90 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: it is, and then how it affects you. Well, it 91 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: is their little microbes called Microbacterium lepray l e p 92 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: r a e, their little tiny rod shaped microbes, and 93 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: they infect the body, and you will get skin sores 94 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: and nerve damage and muscle weakness, and you're you're gonna 95 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: not be able to feel pain, which leads to more problems, 96 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: like you will end up getting amputations because of gang 97 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: green because you injured your toes or your your hands 98 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: and you don't even know it. Yeah, Um. And the 99 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: way that it does that on a cellular level is 100 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: the um. The leprosy Bacterium hijacks what are called your 101 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: schwan cells, your schwan cells. Um. They typically make some 102 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: sort of fatty coating for um muscle and nervous system tissue, 103 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: right okay. And it turns schwan cells into stem cells, 104 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: which is pretty magical if you ask me, and it says, 105 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: go forth and go infect um the muscle tissue of 106 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: this human and let's see what we can do. So 107 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: like again, it's basically perfectly tailored to infect and hijack 108 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: the human body and affect you in all these horrible, 109 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: terrible ways. Like it shortens your fingers is one of 110 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: the symptoms, meaning that they just kind of start going 111 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: back like pencil nubs that have been sharpened too many times. Yeah, 112 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: it was. If you're a Biblical scholar, you have seen 113 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: the word leprosy a lot in the Bible. But um, 114 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: it didn't necessarily mean this specific disease. It could have 115 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: been a variety of things like eczema or cirrhosis. Because 116 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: the word leprosy in the King James Bible in Hebrew. Uh, 117 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: Sarah could be a host of diseases that kind of 118 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: make you look gnarly on the outside. But there is 119 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: a passage in at least in Um I think Leviticus, 120 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: which is old man, yeah uh, and it says that 121 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: you Hebrews are supposed to keep an eye on anybody 122 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: who has a skin sore, and if that skin sore 123 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: starts to spread, that person the leper in there to 124 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: live outside of camp. There's kind of an early understanding 125 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: of contagious disease. Yeah, they didn't necessarily know what it 126 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: was or what was going on, but they knew enough 127 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: to say, you who hang out over there, right, because 128 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: we've seen before that if people with hands the disease 129 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: hang out with everybody else, other people can catch it. Yeah. 130 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: And that was the beginning of what would end up 131 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: being leper colonies. And we'll talk about that a little 132 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: more right after this break. So at first there were 133 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: no leper colonies per se. They were generally just shuttled 134 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: to the outskirts of the city or camp in London. 135 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: Queen Matilda and one one one eight uh founded I 136 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: guess a camp that people could still come back into 137 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: t own and like beg for money and stuff, but 138 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: they were always to go back to their camp at 139 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: the end of the day. Yeah, just you know, just 140 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: basically open land. It wasn't necessarily like some awful place 141 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: to be UM. A lot of times, like these wealthy 142 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: landowners would endow this land to keep these people there. Yeah, 143 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: the because they were sequestered or ostracizeders just kept outside. UM. 144 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: People with leprosy effectively formed subculture or um a subset 145 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: of the population. So you would have, like say in 146 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: a medieval town, like the Jewish section and the the 147 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: um lepers section, and then like the uh the blacksmiths 148 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 1: or whatever, and the executioner had to stay outside of town. 149 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: So they were just like the right and they were 150 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: but I mean, they were like a a subset of 151 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: society UM. And they were very frequently the butt of 152 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: all sorts of reigns of terror. Like people would be like, well, 153 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: everybody's getting sick, so somebody poisoned the wells and it 154 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: was probably the lepers, and then the lepers all the 155 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: lepers would be rounded up and killed. So lepers UM 156 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: definitely were subjected to execution. As recently as I think UM, 157 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: I saw the nineteen thirties and in nineteen thirty seven 158 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: in China, soldiers were like hunting down lepers and executing 159 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: them for being lepers. Yeah, I mean, I think we've 160 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: talked about this a lot on the show. People fear 161 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: what they don't understand as a society, and they didn't 162 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: understand leprosy. They didn't know where it came from. They 163 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: thought it might be hereditary, they thought it was super contagious, 164 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: like just touching someone would infect you and so uh 165 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: and just because of the appearance that someone with leprosy 166 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: would have it, you know, they didn't want to see them. 167 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: They wanted them away so they couldn't be infected, and 168 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: so they didn't have to look at it, right. Okay. 169 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: So the thing is is, up until the nineteenth century, 170 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: basically all the they were a subset of society. They 171 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: were still technically part of society. Lepers were even though 172 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: they lived on the outskirts away from town, they were 173 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: still part of society. In the nineteenth century, there was 174 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: a movement to basically say, like, we don't want you 175 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: to have anything to do with us any longer, Like 176 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: you go over there, like you're not a part of 177 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: our society any longer. You're your own thing, just go 178 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: away forever. And there was actually a law in Illinois, 179 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: I guess in Chicago and ordinance. It was called an 180 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: ugly law. Yeah, and eight one. Uh said, Uh, any 181 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: person whose disease are deformed so as to be unsightly 182 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: or disgusting object has to stay away off the streets 183 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: and away from public places. Yeah, because that's how they 184 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: talked in Chicago. So I know, so I've seen Saturday 185 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: a lot before. Uh So, no longer are you allowed 186 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: in town to beg for thing like, Yeah, we we 187 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: decided like we don't want to look at you any longer, 188 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: so you are not a part of our culture any longer. 189 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: And that was in Chicago alone. This this happened elsewhere. 190 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: There was an outbreak in um the eighteen fifties in Hawaii, 191 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: and the Hawaiian government said, um, yeah, I think we're 192 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: going to finally just say you guys can't be part 193 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: of our culture any longer. And so they made leprosy 194 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: a crime. So if you had leprosy, you were a criminal, 195 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: and therefore you could be excommunicated, ostracized, banished as under law. Yeah, 196 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: that was when it was Hawaii was an independent monarchy. 197 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: And uh, in eighteen sixty five they passed the Act 198 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: to Prevent the Spread of Leprosy. And like you said, 199 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: they might as well have been they were criminals. Um. 200 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: And as the article opens up in eighteen seventy nine, 201 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: they describe a night in January where they police officers 202 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: rounded up a bunch of people with stricken with leprosy 203 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: and basically sent them off on a boat to Kalapapa Peninsula. 204 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: And so this is your new home and you're not 205 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: ever gonna leave. So it makes the the analogy of 206 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: a prison. But uh, it points out that even in 207 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: a prison you can get visitors and you may get 208 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: out one day when your sentence runs out. If you 209 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: have leprosy, you could not have any contact and you 210 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: were there for life, very very messed up. Yeah, and 211 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: that apparently for leper colonies that were run like prisons, 212 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: where the patients were treated like prisoners. Yeah, they weren't 213 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: being attended to like a hospital. No, it was like 214 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: you're in jail. Yeah. Uh. That there was a particularly 215 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: difficult for say, like the warden of the jail because 216 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: you couldn't you couldn't use the same kind of carrots 217 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: and sticks that you could on a typical prisoner because 218 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: there was no hope that you were ever going to 219 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: leave the leper colony. And that was part of the point, 220 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: like it was your relationship with so ide at large 221 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: was severed and you were never coming back. Kids were 222 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: taken from their families um at very young ages, like 223 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: knowing that they were never going to see them again. Yeah. 224 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: This one guy. That was a quote from a superintendent 225 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: of a South African leper colony on Robin Island. His 226 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: name was sp Imp and he said in his notes 227 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: in the eight nineties, you cannot starve them, you cannot 228 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: flog them. All you can do is deprived them of 229 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: their liberty, which is really sad. You know. So a 230 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of places set up actual prisons inland, 231 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: but a lot of countries said, yeah, that island over 232 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: there that nobody wants, you're gonna make that a leper colony. 233 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: So there were places in the Caribbean and the Indian Ocean, 234 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: in the Pacific um off of South Africa, like you 235 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: just said. But one of the most famous leper colonies 236 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: of all time was that one. I think it's colat 237 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: Papa Papa if I know my native Hawaiian, and it 238 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: would be Ka Papa Peninsula on Molokai. And in eighteen 239 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: sixty six, a year after they enacted that um leprosy 240 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: criminal Code in Hawaii, they set it up. And it 241 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: was different because you didn't need any fences or walls 242 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: or anything like that, just the natural surrounding of the place. 243 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: It was a peninsula, so it's surrounded on three sides 244 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: by water. And then it just so happened that on 245 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: that fourth side that was connected to land, there's a 246 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: sheer two thousand foot cliff. So they were trapped. They 247 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: were trapped, but they were trapped in paradise and it 248 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: had an effect. It had a different effect it did, 249 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: and we will talk about that effect right up with 250 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: this break. So, Josh, you were talking about the different 251 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: effect that uh, this leper colony in Hawaii had because 252 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't it was Hawaii after all. Yeah, you know, 253 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: I I don't want to make light of it. But 254 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: it was a nice place. It was very fertile. Um, 255 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: they grew vegetables. Um, they had a lot of food supplies. 256 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: Local fruits were rampant, and um. There was a Belgian 257 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: born Roman Catholic priest name Reverend Joseph da Voster who 258 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: went by Father Damien, and he really made a huge 259 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: difference in the life of these people. Um tried to 260 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: make it as normal sort of like a village as 261 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: he could. You know, they built the schools, they built 262 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: um churches. Uh. He started choirs and planted trees, started 263 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: a band. So he gave these people a life like 264 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: as much of a normal life as they could have. 265 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: He treated them like people, which like human beings yeah, 266 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: um so. And not just human beings, but also people 267 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: who had an infectious disease like patients. Yeah, patients who 268 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: um could still walk and talk and move around and 269 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: and needed some sort of distraction or some sort of fulfillment. 270 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: Father Damien came and and and gave this to these people. 271 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: He also badgered the government for money, which was good 272 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: because they actually had an advocate for the first time. 273 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: It was basically like the Fifth Avenue or Regulars, but 274 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: on the leprec Colony in Hawaii, Yes right. Unfortunately, very sadly, 275 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: Father Damien himself got leprosy and died at the young 276 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: age of forty nine and eight eighty nine, but he 277 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: was canonized as a saint SAT hundred and twenty years 278 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: later during the Big SAT sweep of oh nine. So 279 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: that was that's a pretty neat ending to that story 280 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: for him. Um and that the Lepred Colony and Kalaupapa Peninsula. 281 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: And I'm proud of myself for saying that one. Right 282 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: that is now a national park. It was created or 283 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: turned into a national park in nineteen eighty. But the 284 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: crazy thing is there's still people that live there, at 285 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: least as recently as two thousand three. What do you 286 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,239 Speaker 1: mean people that live there, like people with rosy Um. 287 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: There's a guy I saw, I guess in two thousand three. 288 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: There were a lot of people that were that were 289 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,239 Speaker 1: told they could leave or something. I think they were 290 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: just waiting for the last generation to die out. And 291 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: they said, you know what, we've got this thing kind 292 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: of licked here in the United States. So if you 293 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: guys want to leave, go ahead. And some people said, 294 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: I've spent my literally my entire life here. I don't 295 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: want to leave. This is my home. So it's a 296 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: national park with inhabitants, which is rare. Yeah, that's a 297 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: good point. Uh. In the nineteen twenties in the US, 298 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: UM we started to change our tune a little bit, 299 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: and the U. S. Public Health Service said, you know what, 300 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: let's start a leper colony in Carville, Louisiana. It's actually 301 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: a hospital of sorts where we treat these people and 302 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: try and make their life better and defined try and 303 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: find a cure, which is I think what directly led 304 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: to the first drugs in the nineteen forties being established, 305 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: one called promn um that apparently is a pretty nasty 306 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: way to treat it because the injections were so painful, 307 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: but it was a good start. So UM it was painful, 308 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: apparently they figured out but it wasn't antibiotic that did work, 309 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: and they figured out that if you added it to 310 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: a cocktail of other drugs, Apparently it was easier to 311 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: take um because it was in pill form, I think 312 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: is what they changed it to in the fifties where 313 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: sixties um, and then they added it to other drugs 314 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: because the the bacteria was starting to get resistant to 315 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: this antibiotic alone. They came up with a cocktail in 316 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: the sixties or seventies and now have a regiment that 317 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: can cure cure um leprosy in six months. And it 318 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: all came out of this leopro colony at Carville, Louisiana, 319 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: And there's a really really neat documentary called Triumph Fat 320 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: Carville about that, about how this place in Louisiana was 321 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: the place where humanity licked leprosy. And it's Carver Louisiana 322 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: is named after James Carville's family, and he's in it. 323 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: He talks a lot about it. Yeah, he grew up 324 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: like down the road from it. I could listen to 325 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: him talk just that accent, for sure, I love it. 326 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: But apparently like there was this kind of open secret 327 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: that uh inhabitants would just leave every once in a while, 328 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: and there was like a bar nearby where they would 329 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: go and like drink beers and everything. They just sneak 330 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: out and sneak back in drunk, like in the fifties 331 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: or whatever. For everybody has kind of left them alone, 332 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: and they did their own thing and domentary. It took, 333 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: obviously a cure um for leprosy to begin to change 334 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: the the stigma, and that I did start to turn 335 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: on that stigma in the nineteen sixties and lepro colonies 336 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: started to close one by one. Um. I think in 337 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: Japan there were one of the last nations to quarantine patients. Uh, 338 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: they ended it in nine. I think in Romania there 339 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: is still one colony where supposedly there were a few 340 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: elderly patients still there. But Indias, where it's a huge problem, 341 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: still not a huge problem, but the biggest problem. Well, 342 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of debate over just how big of 343 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: a problem leprosy is. Apparently the World Health Organization has said, uh, 344 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: we basically want to eradicate leprosy, and so a lot 345 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: of people accuse them of fudging the numbers. Is one 346 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: doctor put it like the best way to eradicate a 347 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: diseases to stop reporting. So there's between say, I think 348 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: the World Health Organization says a hundred thousand, two hundred 349 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: fifty thousand new cases a year, and this one doctor, 350 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: who admittedly has to do with this um leprosy vaccine, uh, 351 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: says no, I think it's more between like a million 352 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: and two and a half million new cases a year. 353 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: Those are new cases. Yeah, I thought there were less 354 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: than two hundred thousand. Period. The reporting is all over 355 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: the place, and it's questioned. That's all I can say 356 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: about that. India, Brazilian, Indonesia the top three countries and 357 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: I know that in India. Um, there's a colony in 358 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: Casturba gro Um near New Delhi, and it's it's still 359 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: has that stigma there. Uh. There there are people there 360 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: that are curative leprosy that stay there because their families 361 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: don't want them back. Um, if you have leprosy, you 362 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: are still likely to be ostracized away from your family 363 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: because it has They just think it reflects badly. If 364 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: you have like a boy and a girl and the 365 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: boy has leprosy and the girl doesn't like that, girl 366 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: won't even be able to find a husband because the 367 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 1: brother in law has leprosy. So they're still sending them 368 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: behind closed doors, which is super sad because it's just 369 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: a disease like any other and it's very treatable. It's 370 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: because of the stigma of how it makes you look, 371 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: you know. Uh. And I saw this thing that was 372 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: an inmate in an Ohio prison this week that was 373 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: just treated for leprosy. Uh. He was just discharged from 374 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: Ohio State Medical Center, House State University Medical Center, the 375 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: Ohio State Medical Center, and he was just treated for 376 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: like a few days. Apparently, once you start this drug cocktail, 377 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: they can cure you in six months. But you're not 378 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: even infectious after like a few days of it. So 379 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: they put him back into prison and he he had 380 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: it before he you know, he had had it for years. Uh, man, 381 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: how did you get it in Armadillo or something? Now 382 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: he was he was from I think of Micronesia, so 383 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: he they think he got it there, brought it over here, 384 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: didn't know he had it. Uh, ended up in jail 385 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: and make sure it's what he's in jail for. Man, 386 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: But um, not for having leprosy. I know that. Not 387 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: not in the US, buddy. But they basically said, all right, 388 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: you're going back to jail. Not nothing to worry about 389 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: going back to prison. He was like, uh great, Yeah, 390 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: and I'm sure the prisoners are probably worried because they 391 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: don't listen to this podcast. Yeah, well some of them do. 392 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: It's probably working in his advantage. Yeah, like stay away 393 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 1: from that guy. Yeah, unless he's sad and lonely, then 394 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: that's different. So if this kind of got to you 395 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: and you want to do something World Leprosy Days January, 396 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: that's right, we're a little early. We're kicking off World 397 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: Leprosy Day in November. And if you want to know 398 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: more about leprosy or Handson's disease. You can type either 399 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: one of those in the search part. How stuff works 400 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: dot Com will bring up this article. Since I said 401 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: that it's time for listener mail, I'm gonna call this 402 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 1: one hit drummer. Hey, guys, I have no idea how 403 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: I missed your one Hit Wonder podcast from a while 404 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: back until now, but it brought back a lot of memories. 405 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: I was in a band called SR. Seventy one, which 406 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: you may remember, had a hit called right Now, which 407 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: reached number two on the Billboard Modern Rock Charts in 408 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: two thousand and generally inescapable that summer. There are definitely 409 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: some mixed feelings on the subject, but I'd have to 410 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: say having had one hit is better than having none. 411 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: Uh do you know the song? I went and listened. 412 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: I looked it up, and I did not recognize it. 413 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: I didn't either, and that's because I don't listen to 414 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: the radio. Same here, man, and in two thousand, I 415 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: wasn't listening the radio. Um, but it seemed like a 416 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: very two thousand sort of song when I heard it. 417 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: You know, it fit that time period. Oh yeah, and 418 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: the video too. Yeah. Then the dudes here, I worked 419 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: on a lot of videos like that at the time, like, uh, 420 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: it seemed like there was like a lot of street 421 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: party in and skateboarding and like, uh, you know, a 422 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: lot of that going. Although I got a brief, small 423 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,239 Speaker 1: taste of the sweetness that is fame, it was enough 424 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: to make me realize that what I thought I wanted 425 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: wasn't very satisfying. The upside was having plenty of stories 426 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: to tell. Unfortunately. I keep a tour journal containing details 427 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: that have mostly been lost from memory. Late night TV, 428 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: daytime talk guest spots on short lived TV shows, uh, 429 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: several incredible gigs can't forget the forty what Club It Happens? 430 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: An amazing trip to Japan and one of the strangest 431 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: experiences ever on German MTV. They make for some great 432 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: life experiences that helps me see marketing for what it 433 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: is in all its forms. The major label recording experience 434 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: and the constant touring were beneficial from a musical standpoint, 435 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: although playing the same bunch of tunes every night quickly 436 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: became maddening. And I'm happy to know that I don't 437 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: want to be on the Merry Go round of or 438 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: tour bus rolling Petrie dish gross unless I'm the one 439 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: running the show. Thanks for a great show, Please keep 440 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: at it. There's so much to know. And that is 441 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: Dan Garbon and that's when to grow on. Formerly of 442 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: sr see and Uh, I emailed him see if you 443 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: care to say what he's doing now? And I didn't 444 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: hear back from him, but I think he let's make 445 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: some of the up. Yeah, okay, I think he's still 446 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: drumming and then like teaching, and um, I think he 447 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: has a recording studio. I think he's taken like that 448 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: road instead of the drudgery of the tour bus. Are 449 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: you making all that up? No? No, no, I think 450 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: that's real. What is that? Based on his Wikipedia page? 451 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I was gonna say, what else would I 452 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: find it? I don't. I thought you were just making 453 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: it up and would admit it. No. Thanks a lot, Dan, 454 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: that's pretty cool man. Um, if you had a one 455 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: hit wonder, would you have? 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