1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Buck is out. 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: We'll be back together in DC next week. I am 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 2: told that I have a tan. You may have seen 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: me on such programs as Jesse Waters on Fox News, 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: where I was described as looking like I Believe Bacon 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: with a beard, which was a heck of a line 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: by him. Some of you are watching right now on video. 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: I think my tan is amazing. I think it somewhat 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: resembles John F. Kennedy back in the nineteen sixties, not me, 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: but the Tan before he was assassinated. So I'm hoping 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: that my beautiful fan will not be followed by an assassination. 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: Of not going to be writing around in any convertibles 15 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: without rooftops anytime soon in Dealey Plaza. But we have 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: got all sorts of chaos to dive into with you. 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: And as I know Buck was addressing yesterday right in 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: the final hour when the Donald Trump versus Elon Musk 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 2: fireworks started, I have got deep dive psychological analysis also 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: some humor that I hope to pepper with all of 21 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: you as we roll through the Friday edition of the 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: program here and head you into the weekend. A little 23 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: bit of housekeeping. Newt Gingrich will be with us in 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: the third hour, and OutKick reporter dan Zak Sheesky a 25 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: scheduled to join us in the second hour. And certainly 26 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: we will take your calls and your reactions to everything 27 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: that is going on. 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: I met a lot of you. I have been out. 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: My kids got out of school on Tuesday, and so 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: I was on the road with them as a result, 31 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 2: doing dad related travel. Someone told me, and I think 32 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: do think there's a lot of truth to it that 33 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: once you have kids, you no longer take vacations. You 34 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: take family trips, and that is a very different thing, 35 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: particularly when your kids are young. Although my kids are 36 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: now seventeen, fourteen, and ten, and so they are aging 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: up there. And so we went to amusement parks. I 38 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: think you guys played my Tom Cruise Mission Impossible analysis 39 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: last week with Buck, which was as usual. Buck doesn't 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: like fun things. He would have been miserable. It's a 41 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: super crowded, hot amusement park. But we went to the 42 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: new Universal Studios amusement park that opened in Orlando. Took 43 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: the boys there, met many of you all over the place, 44 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 2: and then I'd never been to Atlantis and the Bahamas. 45 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: We'll have some fun talking about that maybe a little 46 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: bit later in the program. But I met a lot 47 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: of you all over the place, and I appreciate everybody 48 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: who comes up and says HI. When you were also 49 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: on your vacations, often with your own families. I was 50 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: also with Buck. We had an amazing iHeart event in 51 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: West Palm Beach for all of our advertisers. I got 52 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: to meet bucks brand new baby James for the first time. 53 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: I think there are pictures. Alley's more on top of 54 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: these things than I am on social media. I'm not 55 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: very good at taking photos. I can send messages, but 56 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: I am not a photo guy. But I believe there 57 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: are pictures up of the baby. We had an awesome time. 58 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: We met with a lot of our great advertisers over 59 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: the past several days. I am now back at home 60 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 2: in Nashville and looking forward by the way next week 61 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: just texting we are set up to be meeting a 62 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: lot of people in DC next week. We're gonna be 63 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: at the Pentagon with Pete Hegseth. We're going to be 64 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: at the White House with Donald Trump. We are hopefully 65 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: going to be able to meet up with Marco Rubio 66 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: and many others. We will have quite a few senators 67 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: and representatives in our DC studios next week, so we literally, 68 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: as I set down, we are texting to get a 69 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: bunch of those details ironed out with you for all 70 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: of next week when we should have a lot of 71 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: in person guests and should be pretty fantastic. So all 72 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: that coming on the horizon. But the fallout from yesterday's 73 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: Elon Musk Donald Trump big breakup over the Big Beautiful 74 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: Bill is what is continue you doing to resonate all 75 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: over the political universe, all over the business universe. Basically 76 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: the number one can't miss story conflict between Elon Musk, 77 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: the richest man in the world, and Donald Trump, the 78 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: most powerful man in the world. What's my take? First, 79 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: we told you that this would likely happen because Elon Musk. 80 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 2: I'm going to psycho analyze these guys and explain why 81 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: this is likely to happen why. I think it also 82 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: is not indicative of a long term breach, but is 83 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: I think been building for some time, and I think 84 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 2: there were a lot of sort of signposts that you 85 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: could point to. So let's start on the side of 86 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: Elon Musk, because it seems to me that he is 87 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: by far the angriest over the over the situation right now. 88 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 2: Elon is used to having complete and total control. He 89 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: is a dictator at every company that he runs, and 90 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: he has been a very benevolent and successful dictator at 91 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: all of those companies. 92 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: They are wildly successful. 93 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 2: I believe that Elon Musk is the most successful capitalist 94 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: who has ever existed in the history of capitalism. I 95 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: don't think that's hyperbole when you consider what he has 96 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: done with Tesla, when you consider what he has done 97 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: with SpaceX, what he has done with Twitter, slash x, 98 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: now with x Ai, what he has done with the 99 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: boring company, what he has done with I was on 100 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: the golf course with the LifeLock CEO and founder Todd Davis, 101 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 2: and he was talking about how impressed he is with 102 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: Neuralink and what Musk has done there, and it is 103 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: receiving a small amo amount of attention. I think Elon 104 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: Musk is the CEO basically of five different public companies simultaneously, 105 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 2: all of which are fabulously successful. We truly have never 106 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: seen anything like what he is been able to do, 107 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 2: and these companies are doing things that many other people 108 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: believed were impossible. No one thought that you could replace 109 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: the internal combustion engine with electric vehicles. No one thought, 110 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: by and large, hey, it's possible to be better at 111 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: designing spaceships than NASA, even though NASA has a seventy 112 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: year headstart. What Elon Musk has done is amazing. Here's 113 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: the problem. It requires a skill set that is massively 114 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: risk taking, moves rapidly and breaks things. It is entrepreneurial 115 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: in nature. It is by and large not a management job. 116 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: Founders think and behave differently than people who are in management. 117 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: That's oftentimes why the number of founders that can transition 118 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: from creating a company to building it into a huge, 119 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: vibrant entity is rare. Because the skill set to create 120 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 2: something new and then the skill set to manage something 121 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: new is oftentimes very different. And so I have said, 122 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: and Buck has said on this program, we told you 123 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: this was coming, that Elon Musk was going to get 124 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: hyper frustrated over how slow government moves. I am a 125 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: penprick as successful as Elon Musk. The reason I didn't 126 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: want to practice lawful time was it moved way too 127 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: slow for me. 128 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm a young litigator. 129 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: You pinpoint the issues at play, you say, hey, this 130 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: is what needs to be resolved, this is what needs 131 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: to be fixed. This is the answer to the question. 132 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 2: And then, and many of you are lawyers listening right now. 133 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: It is basically a procedural battle. As a litigator for years, 134 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: and to me, it was boring, plotting. It didn't move 135 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: fast enough. I was frustrated. I am somewhat impatient. Government 136 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: is that times a thousand. So you have this uniquely 137 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: talented builder of businesses, the likes of which we have 138 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: never seen, who is coming into the government. Looks around, 139 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: says man, this is being run in a shabby, unsuccessful fashion. 140 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: These are the things that need to be done. I'm 141 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: going to bring in my brilliant financial engineers. We're going 142 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: to dive into the federal government books. We're going to 143 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: recognize all of these different things that are inefficient, outdated, 144 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: where the taxpayer is not getting best value for his dollars. 145 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: And even though we recognize all these things, government is 146 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: going to move slowly to address them. And in the meantime, 147 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to get ripped to the high heavens because 148 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: I am disrupting government and all of the businesses that 149 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: I have created I'm talking for evil, are going to 150 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: suddenly become persona non grada. I mean, we had left 151 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: wingers fire bombing electric vehicles because they were angry that 152 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: Elon Musk was trying to bring more financial discipline to 153 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: the government. And so I think Elon was terribly frustrated. 154 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: Remember he said he wanted to erase around two trillion 155 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: dollars in spending. It looks like the numbers going to 156 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 2: end up being around one hundred and sixty billion dollars. 157 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: I don't think he was able to accomplish what he 158 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: wanted to and what he probably should have been able 159 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: to accomplish if he had the same power that he 160 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: has as the leader of all his companies. And so 161 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: I think his anger had been building for some time. 162 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: And then Trump yesterday in the Oval office, said, Hey, 163 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: I basically I'm paraphrasing appreciate what Elon was going to do, 164 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 2: but we would have won the election even without his involvement. 165 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: Argue that or not. 166 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: And Elon decided that that was ungrateful. And you combine 167 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: it with the fact that Trump had not decided to 168 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: elevate the guy that he wanted to be in charge, 169 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: Elon of NASA. And you also add up that he 170 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: was frustrated over some of the AI decisions that were 171 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: being made by Trump, and all of those compounding frustrations 172 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: led to Elon going off yesterday on Twitter. And my 173 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: thoughts on social media in general are it could be 174 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: both the best and the worst thing, because what it 175 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: does give you is a direct view into the emotions 176 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: of the moment. But the emotions of the moment aren't 177 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: always the healthiest. And I'm going to go old school 178 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: here legitimately and tell you an example. Abraham Lincoln, when 179 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: he was president, would get so frustrated that he would 180 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: write entire angry letters to subordinates. He would then wait 181 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: twenty four hours before he would send the letter. Now, 182 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: letter by mail is very different than tweets, but Lincoln 183 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: understood that the passions of the moment and the way 184 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 2: he felt as he wrote the article, as he wrote 185 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: his letter might not exist twenty four hours from now. 186 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: It's a brilliant strategy. Put it in your desk, wait 187 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: twenty four hours, reread it. He would then decide, oftentimes 188 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: whether he wanted that letter sent to his subordinates. Most 189 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: of the time, he said he did not. The cathartic 190 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: nature of writing the letter allowed for his anger to 191 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: be expressed and for it to then diminish. I have 192 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: said for some time, imagine what tweets would be sent 193 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 2: if there were a twenty four hour waiting period before 194 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: the tweet could be sent. Same thing could be said 195 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: for you if you don't tweet for the text that 196 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: you send. What if you could only send ten texts 197 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: in a week. You would make sure that they were really, 198 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: really well crafted. You would also make sure that they 199 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: weren't particularly emotional. My wife says that I don't have 200 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 2: to worry about any of this because the reason why 201 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: I will never need any form of is because I 202 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: have the unique job where I get to sit down 203 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: on live radio every single day, tell you guys every 204 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: single word I think, and then when I'm done after 205 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: three hours, I have no weight on my shoulders at all. 206 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: I just step right out of the radio studio. 207 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: My therapy is I said exactly what I wanted to 208 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: say for three hours. Everybody out there could hear it. 209 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: You could like it, you could not like it. I 210 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: got no weight on my shoulders. There's a lot of 211 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: truth to that. I think this had been building for 212 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 2: a long time with Elon. I think it was a 213 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: mountain of frustration. I think that yesterday that was the 214 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: tipping point. It wasn't any one thing, as most issues 215 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: are when people lose their temper. It was a hey, 216 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: this happened, then this happened, then this happened. And if 217 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: you are a founder, if you are an entrepreneur, you 218 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: know that feeling where you wake up and you don't 219 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: control your day and basically people just put. If you're 220 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 2: a small business owner, twenty different things pile up, all 221 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: of which you have to manage because it's your responsibility. 222 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: Elon has been able to bear an immense amount of weight. 223 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: I think the NASA decision by Trump, I think the 224 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: AI machinations, I think all of the pressure that has 225 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: been brought to bear by the media. I think it 226 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: finally just exploded. And I think he does not have 227 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: elon great impulse control. This is one reason perhaps he 228 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: might have fourteen different children by seven different women. There 229 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: are goods and bads of many different aspects of life. 230 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: As I said, the greatest capitalist who's ever existed, may 231 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: not have the greatest impulse control ever, and so he 232 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: got angry and he decided to fire away at Trump. 233 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: I actually think Trump has been remarkably fairly restrained in 234 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: his response to Elon, because I think Elon is more 235 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: emotional than Trump is. I think Elon is more frustrated. 236 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: We come back. I'll give you my thesis here on Trump, 237 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: because these guys overlap and have a lot in common, 238 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: and I think it's why they got along. But really, 239 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: even though Trump is also an entrepreneur, Trump is a 240 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: different kind of entrepreneur. Elon is a founder. You go 241 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: out and you create something that ever existed before. Trump 242 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: is a builder. In order to get buildings built, As 243 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: any of you out there that have ever been involved 244 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: in real estate know, it is a monster of an issue. 245 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: Zoning regulations, political pressures. Getting a building built in a 246 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: city is more like being a politician than it is 247 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: a founder. You gotta shake hands, you got to deal 248 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: with unions, you have to deal with local government, you 249 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: might have to deal with state government. You might even 250 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: have to deal with federal government depending on the size 251 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: of your project. That is a different skill set, and 252 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: it's more similar to what a politician does. Trump is 253 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: uniquely skilled at making everyone that he meets feel like 254 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: they are the most important person in the room. That 255 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: is not Elon's skill set. So this implosion, which I 256 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 2: think was built up by the anger that Elon felt 257 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: over not having the same control over the government that 258 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: he has over his companies, felt to me like it 259 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: was inevitable. The fact that Elon and Trump worked together 260 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: for as long as they could is important, and it 261 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: was a tremendous success. I hope that they can continue 262 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: to work together in the future. But remember, Elon voted 263 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: for Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen, he voted for Joe 264 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: Biden in twenty twenty. He did not endorse Trump until 265 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: July of twenty twenty four. I think Elon is the 266 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: most fabulously successful capitalist of all time. I'm not sure 267 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: that his political instincts are as finely tuned, and I 268 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: don't say that as an insult. I think he's worked 269 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: his way towards a smart position. I think his buying 270 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: X was probably the most important thing for the full 271 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: flourishment of the marketplace of ideas that maybe has happened 272 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: in my entire life. But I also think he's susceptible 273 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: to anger. Twitter is an emotional medium, and yesterday Elon 274 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: just snapped. I think today he probably thinks, Hey, maybe 275 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: I wish I hadn't sent some of the things that 276 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: I sent yesterday. Eight We will take your calls. By 277 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: the way, you guys can react. Tell me whether or 278 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: not you buy into this. But I'll break down this 279 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,239 Speaker 2: a little bit more because I do think it's consequential. 280 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: I think it's significant. A lot of people focused on 281 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: the Epstein sudden tweet. I'll tell you why I don't 282 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: buy that and why I think that is totally a 283 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: sham that idea in general. 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We will dive into it when we 317 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 2: come back, and trust me, there's no basis fired up 318 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: about the Trump Musk blow up yesterday afternoon that happened, 319 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: that obviously is the talk of the town. 320 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: You can weigh in eight hundred and. 321 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: Two two two eight eight two uh if you would 322 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: like to weigh in on your thoughts on this ridiculousness. 323 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: But I laid out why I anticipated that Musk would 324 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: get upset at some point at the slow pace of 325 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: government based on his history as a founder and as 326 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: a CEO who is able to move fast and break things, 327 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: which many people out there who found businesses have that mindset. 328 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: I discovered that I am not a very good employee 329 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 2: for a long term process. I'm pretty good here because 330 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: I have a fabulous boss, Julie Talbot, and she just says, hey, 331 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 2: you and Buck go have the best radio show possible, 332 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: doesn't micro manage us. She has our back. That's fabulous, 333 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: actually rare. A lot of you probably have had some 334 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: good bosses. Some of you probably have had awful bosses. 335 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: I think Musk wants to be the boss in everything, 336 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 2: and I don't think that he is happy when he's 337 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 2: not able to make decisions that he sees as in 338 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 2: the best interest of his company. And I think he 339 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: treated the United States Government like a company that he 340 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: was in charge of. The problem is there's a lot 341 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: of stakeholders in the United States government, and Musk could 342 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: not do for the United States Government what he believed 343 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: was necessary in order to create the best version of 344 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: the US government as he could do with the companies 345 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: that he has founded now, and as a result, I 346 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: think he just had a tempered hantrum. I think he 347 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: lashed out now. I also think there are elements of this. 348 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: Probably this is me psychoanalyzing, where Musk is putting so 349 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: much responsibility on himself health that he probably isn't sleeping 350 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 2: very much, He probably isn't eating consistently healthy meals. He 351 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: is working all the time, at all hours, and so 352 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: what otherwise might have been a road bump, something that 353 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: irritated him somewhat built to the point where he felt 354 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: compelled to lash out as extensively as he did on 355 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: social media, which I believe Musk is using Twitter in 356 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 2: many ways as his therapy, as his opportunity to vent 357 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: and release rage that otherwise has built up inside him. 358 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 2: I think Trump sometimes does that, But again I think 359 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: because Trump has built buildings, his entrepreneurial mindset is much different. 360 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: In order to build something that is actually a physical structure, 361 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 2: you can't be at the same kind. I don't think 362 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: of dictator that Elon Musk has been for his companies, 363 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: just based on the regulations, based on the unions, based 364 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 2: on all of the different things that you have to 365 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: go through to get approval to be able to do that. Now, 366 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: all that in mind, I think Musk cross the line 367 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 2: when suddenly he said the reason the Epstein files haven't 368 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: been released, and I'm paraphrasing, is because Trump is named 369 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: in them. I don't believe this to be remotely true, 370 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: and I just don't think it adds up logically. He 371 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 2: might be named in him because Epstein lived in New 372 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 2: York City and he knew everybody who's rich and famous 373 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: in the entire city. Do you really believe that if 374 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 2: Trump had done something that was considered to be criminal 375 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: in nature by the United States in any way that 376 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: Democrats wouldn't have used that against Trump at any point 377 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: in the last decade. 378 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: It just doesn't add up. 379 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 2: They've tried to bankrupt him, they've tried to imprison him 380 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 2: for life, they've tried to kill him. They have done 381 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: everything in their power to stop Trump from being able 382 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: to be president of the United States. I think they 383 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,479 Speaker 2: had a scarlet letter that connected Trump to Epstein and 384 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: was criminal in nature based on what Trump did, and 385 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: they just decided to argue that he mishandled classified documents. 386 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 2: Instead of that, they had pardon the pun the ultimate 387 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 2: Trump card that would put Trump away forever, and they 388 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: didn't use it. Instead, they manufactured the Steel dossier and 389 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 2: claimed falsely that Trump was engaged in Russia collusion, and 390 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 2: they had a smoking gun, a Trump card as it were, 391 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 2: inside of the Epstein files for the last decade that 392 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: all they had to do to put Donald Trump in 393 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: prison was pull out and play on the on the 394 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 2: on the out. 395 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: Of the deck. 396 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 2: And you think they just decided, hey, we're not going 397 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: to do that. It's it doesn't add up. I think 398 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: it's not true, and I think the sad reality is 399 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 2: that much of the Epstein evidence. This is my opinion 400 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 2: is vanished. 401 00:23:59,440 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: Okay. 402 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: I think that Epstein was probably an intelligence agent. I 403 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 2: think that he caught a lot of men. It's a 404 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 2: high percentage of men that are interested in young pretty 405 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: girls and having access to young pretty girls, and I 406 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: think he used that sometimes to manipulate business relationships. Epstein 407 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 2: did in his favor, and I think that's why he 408 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 2: got the preferential treatment that he did. But there have 409 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: been many men named, many of them who basically did nothing, 410 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 2: it appears, other than fly on Epstein's private jet or 411 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: even engage in business transactions with him for their association 412 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: to Epstein. And you're telling me that if Trump had 413 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 2: substantial connections to Epstein, that they were hidden, and Democrats said, no, no, no, 414 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: We're not going to focus on Trump and Epstein. Instead, 415 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: we're going to argue that he kept classified documents at 416 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 2: Mar A Lago, and we're going to argue that he 417 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: got too favorable of loan treatments for the properties that 418 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: he owned in New York and the big investment bank 419 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 2: negotiations that he did. And also we're going to argue 420 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: that he had sex with a porn star and paid 421 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 2: her money and that somehow rigged the twenty sixteen election, 422 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: and that he's buddies with Vladimir Putin. You'd think that 423 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: Democrats drew the line at associating Trump with Epstein. 424 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: I just don't think that makes sense. 425 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 2: I think Elon knows that that is among the most 426 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: savage accusations that he could make to a segment of 427 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 2: the MAGA base that is obsessed with Epstein and keeps thinking, Oh, 428 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: we're going to get some amazing revelation from the Epstein files, 429 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: and instead, when they've given new information about the Epstein 430 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: related files, it's mostly mostly blown up. In the Trump 431 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 2: administration's phase, I mean, Pam Bondi had a bunch of 432 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: people in for a White House meeting, gave them new information, 433 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: and it basically was not that valuable. Now, look, I 434 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: trust Dan Bongino, I trust Cash Betel. I think if 435 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 2: they're at the FBI, if there is some sort of 436 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 2: major revelation that still is out there about the Epstein files, 437 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: I think they'll put it out. I just don't buy 438 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: that it exists in a substantial way, and I certainly 439 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 2: don't buy that somehow it implicates Trump. I just don't 440 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: I think that Elon knows that that's catnip and impossible 441 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 2: to avoid and among the most salacious accusations that he 442 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 2: could make, and that's the reason that he went in 443 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 2: that direction. I think that Trump has actually responded in 444 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: the Elon fracas as the adult in the room candidly, 445 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 2: which is not always what you anticipate Trump doing. But 446 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: I think he has a great deal of like for Elon. 447 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 2: And I'm gonna be honest with you. I think Trump 448 00:26:54,640 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: sees Elon as childlike and a kid. And we have 449 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 2: talked about this with you, Buck and I have every 450 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 2: time I've met Trump, and I've interviewed Trump eleven times. 451 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: Now I am basically the same age as his kids. 452 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: I'm telling you Trump is almost eighty years old. I 453 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: think he just had a seventy ninth birthday. He sees 454 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 2: people around my age as his kids. Trump has always 455 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 2: and and and as a grandfatherly and fatherly type figure. 456 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: I think he sees Trump as a kid. Thinks that 457 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 2: there is a child like glee in Elon, which Trump 458 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: likes and respects, but also recognizes that in pushing himself 459 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 2: so far as Elon has that there are consequences with 460 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: that behavior. 461 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: And I think Elon would even say it. 462 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 2: You don't decide that you're better at sending rockets to 463 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: the moon than NASA, and that you're going to redesign 464 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: the internal combustion engine the effort and energy that that takes. 465 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: There's consequence is elsewhere. I think again, Elon is in 466 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: an autistic genius. It allows him to focus in a 467 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 2: way that regular humans cannot, but it also allows him 468 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 2: to miss social cues that regular humans would not. And 469 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 2: it is very rare in my experience that when someone 470 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 2: has great talent in one particular arena, it is spread 471 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: evenly everywhere. And this is kind of the way you 472 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: think about from athletes, right, how often in your high 473 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: school was the best athlete also the best student, and 474 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: also the best looking and also the kindest? 475 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 3: Right? 476 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: In baseball they talk about five tool players, because it's 477 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 2: so rare to be excellent at everything. You don't have 478 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: to be an expert in Silicon Valley geopolitics to analyze 479 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: Elon Musk. Just go your own high school. How often 480 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: was the smartest person also the best athlete, and also 481 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 2: the kindest, the most honest, the most reliable. Usually, extreme 482 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 2: talents in any one particular area are not accompanied with 483 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 2: extreme talents in other places, some as they are. Yeah, 484 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: the prom king is also the kindest person on the 485 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: planet and the greatest athlete, but usually that talent is 486 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: not evenly distributed. Elon is off the charts, I think 487 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: when it comes to intelligence and building companies. As I said, 488 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 2: I think he's the greatest capitalist who has ever lived 489 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: in the history of capitalism if you look at his accomplishments. 490 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: I don't think that he's emotionally a savant. I think 491 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: he still in many ways behaves in a childlike fashion. 492 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: I think that's why he lashed out with the temper tantrum. 493 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: I think Trump sees that. I think he wants to 494 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: marshal the talents that Elon has direction of making the 495 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: country better. And I actually think Trump has handled this 496 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: again as the adult in the room, and I think 497 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: Elon regrets his temper tantrum. Even by last evening he 498 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: was sharing Bill Ackman's comments like, Hey, it's better for 499 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 2: the country if we don't viewed. This morning, he's been 500 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: sharing again the big beautiful Bill. I'll talk a little 501 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: bit about that where I think it's gone. But I 502 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: think all of that is rooted together, and I think 503 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: Elon is ultimately frustrated that he wasn't able to have 504 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 2: the same level of success making the country's finances strong 505 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 2: as he has been in making his own businesses and 506 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: their finances strong. I'll take some of your calls, by 507 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 2: the way, at the end of this hour eight hundred 508 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: two two eight a two. You can analyze this also, 509 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: And I hope that Trump and Elon on some level 510 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: can make up, because I do think that Elon is 511 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 2: a force for good, given his resources, given his purchase 512 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: of Twitter, and just merely being open to the marketplace 513 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: of ideas and seeing the best possible argument, I think, 514 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 2: and creating a business that is based on that is 515 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: a profound gift that Elon has given to the country, 516 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 2: and I hope that he can use those gifts going 517 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 2: forward in an effective way with Trump and his administration. 518 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 2: So that's my big take on what we saw yesterday 519 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 2: and where I think it came from. 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The thing is Tom came in in twenty 573 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 4: sixteen and he had to learn politics that Elon. Elon 574 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 4: has to learn how politics operate, and this is how 575 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 4: it operates, and he just needs to be a patient 576 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 4: with it and learning. But America needs them buns yep, 577 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 4: and I thank America, thank you for him, Thank you. 578 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: For the call. I agree. 579 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 2: I would love to have Elon's talents committed to the 580 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: American government as much as he can. I think Elon 581 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 2: committed those talents and feels like he didn't get the 582 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: results that he does from capitalism when he commits his 583 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 2: talents to the governments that he can. And I think 584 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 2: he's lashing out. I think he's frustrated. Brian in Kansas, 585 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 2: what you got. 586 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 3: For us, hey Clay. I think there's a lot of 587 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 3: similarities between Elon and then what ross Perot would have 588 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 3: faced had he gotten elected. And that was the reason 589 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 3: I didn't vote for ross Perreau was because he would 590 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 3: have gotten in there and he would have had no allies, 591 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 3: wouldn't have had anything that he had on his infomercials. 592 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 3: Get done. 593 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. 594 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: For those of you who remember Paro in ninety two 595 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 2: and ninety six, ninety two, in particular, he brought Bill 596 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 2: Clinton into office. Paro's calling card was I'm a businessman, 597 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 2: and we need to run Washington more like a business. 598 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 2: That is what Elon tried to do. The problem you 599 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 2: run into is there's lots of people that don't understand 600 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: basic business in Washington, DC, and they aren't interested in 601 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 2: actually fixing anything because they want to feed off the 602 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 2: federal government and inefficiency sometimes is the reason they make 603 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 2: all their money. And I think that was incredibly frustrating 604 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 2: to Elon, and I think what you saw yesterday was 605 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 2: him lashing out Carmen Edgewater floor to Carmen, fire away, 606 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: how are you doing? 607 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 5: Clay? Two things real quickly. The first one is I 608 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 5: agree with you about the whole thing that Elon said 609 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 5: about upstate. Obviously that would have been the Democrats, you know, 610 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 5: gold mine to have found out he was involved in 611 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 5: such something like that. Second thing is I think Elon 612 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 5: is trying to get back in the good grace with 613 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 5: the Democrats, to try to get his teslaws back up 614 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 5: again in business. And I think that's really one of 615 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 5: the goals that he has in mind. 616 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: Good deal. That's an interesting argument. 617 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 2: It does put the Democrat Malotov cocktail throwers in a 618 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 2: funny position, right, because what do they do now? They 619 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: hate Trump more than they hate Elon, So are they 620 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 2: going to stop burning Tesla's down. We'll talk about that 621 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 2: a little bit more. Biggest story rolling into the weekend. 622 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 2: Thanks for hanging with us on Clay and Bucket.