1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: This is Latino USA, the radio journal of news and 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: curture Latino USA. Latin Latino USA. I'm Maria Inojosa. We 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: bring you stories that are underreported but that mattered to you, 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: overlooked by the rest of the media, and while the 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: country is struggling to deal with these, we listen to 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: the stories of Black and Latino Studios United, Latino Front, 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: a cultural renaissance organizing at the forefront of the movement. 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: I'm Maria Inojosa, nose Bayan. Hello, my dear Latino USA listener. 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: You know, living on the Texas Mexico border is challenging 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons right now, and so today 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: we wanted to bring you a story about what it's 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: like to give birth in southwest Texas, where there's only 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: one hospital serving a region of twelve thousand square miles, 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: and it doesn't get better on the Mexican side of 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: the border. Brisa Levezma knows this all too well. She 16 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: lives in Ohinai in the Mexican state of Chihuahua, but 17 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: she works in the Texas bordered town of Presidio. For 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: the birth of her second child, Bisat, decided to schedule 19 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: a c section at the only maternity hospital available in 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: southwest Texas. It's called Alpine. Bisa thought it would be 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: safer than delivering in Mexico, but things didn't go as planned. 22 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: This is a story from our friends at Marfa Public Radio. 23 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: It's part of the series So Far from Care. We're 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: going to find more stories about the challenges women are 25 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: facing to access reproductive healthcare in the Big Bend area. 26 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Here's the episode. It's called Alone on This Side. 27 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: It was a cold night in February up on a 28 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: highway through the oil fields of the Permian Basin. And 29 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: if you've been up there, you know people tend to 30 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: drive pretty fast, lots of f one to fifties and 31 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: big tank trucks. But there was one little car that 32 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: was moving a lot slower than the rest, and everybody 33 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: was honking at it, passing it, trying to get it 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: to go faster. What they didn't realize was that this 35 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: car was actually in more of a hurry than anybody 36 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: else on the road because inside the woman in the 37 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 2: passenger seat was in laborer. 38 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 3: Partners. 39 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: That's Brisa Levesma. She'd been having contractions for more than 40 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: a full day by this point. Her mom Lauda was 41 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: driving as fast as she could, but Lauda lives in 42 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 2: a small rural community in Mexico, and she wasn't used 43 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: to having to keep pace with oil field workers. Yes on, 44 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: this was an emergency, and she was trying to keep 45 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: her foot on the gas, but she was watching all 46 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: these huge trucks zoom by and didn't want to get 47 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: in an accident. Meanwhile, Brisa was in a lot of 48 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: pain and they were both trying to keep calm in Miauela. 49 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: In the car, they talked about Brisa's grandma, Lauda's mom, 50 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: who died just a few years before, remembering her. Trying 51 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 2: to distract themselves with stories, Lauda told b He says 52 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 2: she felt like Thelman Louise, two women on the run 53 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: down a desert highway that made them laugh and then 54 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: also cry. I me and Rosenthal and this is so 55 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: far from care. If you heard our first episode, you 56 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: know that long, scary drives like this one aren't uncommon 57 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: in West Texas. There's only one hospital in the Big 58 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: ben region, serving an area of twelve thousand square miles. 59 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: People here have even given birth on the side of 60 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: the road because the delivery room was just too far away. 61 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: But the situation Brisa faced was even more dramatic than 62 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: what we're used to out here, because she'd already been 63 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: to that one hospital and they couldn't help her. Britisa's 64 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: story is about a real low point in access to 65 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: reproductive care out here, when the only maternity ward in 66 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: far West Texas started shutting down. But it's also about 67 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: another force that shapes life in the region. One you 68 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: might not immediately connect to healthcare. That's the border and 69 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: what it can mean to somebody becoming a mom, how 70 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: it can divide a family but also create options where 71 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 2: there seemed to be none. I met Brisa last year 72 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: at a cafe in the border town of Presidio. She 73 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: came in with her mom and her baby daughter. 74 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 75 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: Barisa lives just across the Rio Grande in Ohinada Chiuahwa, 76 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: but she has a green card and she works in Presidio. 77 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: Her prenatal visits were here in town, and she'd scheduled 78 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: a c section at the Hospital Alpine, an hour and 79 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: a half away. She'd had one before with her first child, 80 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: so the doctors thought that was the safest way to. 81 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 4: Go brevia, more complicate than canine pusil. 82 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: They'd planned everything out. Brisa's mom was in town to 83 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: be with her for the birth, and the doctor Brisa 84 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: had seen her whole pregnancy would deliver the baby. But 85 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: five days before the section was scheduled, Brisa started having 86 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: contractions and they lasted all night, so in the morning, 87 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: she and her mom headed for the hospital, but when 88 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: they got there. 89 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 5: No, we are personal, but. 90 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: The staff told them the maternity ward was about to 91 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: close post pandemic. Like lots of rural hospitals, Big Ben 92 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: Regional Medical Center was really struggling by the summer of 93 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. They didn't have the staff to keep 94 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: everything running, so that meant for part of the week 95 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: the maternity war would go on something called diversion. Basically, 96 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 2: it was closed and that would go on for days 97 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: at a time. So if you went into labor during 98 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: that period and didn't want to give birth in the 99 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: er with whatever staff was on hand, you had to 100 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: make it to another hospital, and the closest one was 101 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: in Fort Stockton, another hour away, But he said, her 102 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 2: mom decided to head back to Mexico. They were hoping 103 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: she could wait until the ward reopened. But by the 104 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 2: time they got to Marfa, still more than sixty miles 105 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: from home, the pain was getting worse, so they turned 106 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: around again and drove to Fort Stockton. On the way there, 107 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: Brisa says they lost service and they couldn't get it 108 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: at the second hospital either, But he says husband was 109 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: back in Ohinaga with their older daughter and they couldn't 110 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: reach him for hours. 111 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 5: Navia the lips p lesnou po now. 112 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: They stayed at the hospital until nighttime, but then Brisa 113 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: says the staff told her it wasn't time to give 114 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: birth and that their doctor was heading home for the day. 115 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: Laura couldn't believe it isn't a She said, I give 116 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: birth to four kids. I know she's about to have 117 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: her baby. Barisa says the nurse unduty told them I'm 118 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: the only one here is if you're gonna have your baby, 119 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: She says. The nurse said, I'll be the one to 120 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: deliver it. But it won't be a sea section. It'll 121 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: be a natural birth. Now, after you've had one sea section, 122 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: vaginal birth can be really risky, but in Fort Stockton, 123 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: but he Sai didn't feel like she had a choice. 124 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: She called up her original doctor, the one who was 125 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: supposed to deliver the baby. She says, he told her, 126 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: if you can move, move, try and get to Odessa. 127 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: That's another eighty miles away, but there's a big hospital there. 128 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: So they got in the car again and we're back 129 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: where we started. Lauda went from this two lane road 130 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: to the interstate, suddenly surrounded by honking trucks. Brisa in tears, 131 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: twenty four hours into her contractions. 132 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 3: Yeah and I. 133 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: Well really They got to the hospital in Odessa around 134 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: ten thirty and in the middle of the night, after 135 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: driving nearly three hundred miles between two countries and three hospitals, 136 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: Brisa had her sea section and her baby, Andrea was born. 137 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: Brisa wasn't the only person with a multi hospital trek 138 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: like that. Over the full year that the maternity ward 139 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: in Alpine was on diversion, the hospital told me fourteen 140 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: women were turned away while in labor. Now the unit 141 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: is open twenty four to seven again, but the hospital 142 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: isn't equipped to deal with emergency cases, so if the 143 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: delivery is complicated or the baby comes early, it can 144 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: still mean a trip to Odessa. Brisa's story really brought 145 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: it home for me. Here, even if you have everything 146 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: planned out, you can find yourself in a really scary situation, 147 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 2: far from help, having to make big, high stakes decisions 148 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: on your own. It was especially jarring for Brisa because 149 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: the experience was so different from the first time she'd 150 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: given birth back in Mexico. 151 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 4: To Planifica zahiron Oke Is the Mamosa Programrte Unassaria Talia 152 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 4: at Talora. 153 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 5: As soon as. 154 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: Santas, she said before. Everything went smoothly. She came in 155 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: at the scheduled time, they did the C section, took 156 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: the baby out. It wasn't even painful, and that was 157 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: just a few hundred miles away. When we talk about 158 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 2: far West Texas, we often talk about how isolated this 159 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 2: region is, all these tiny towns in the middle of nowhere. 160 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: But that's only true if you forget about Mexico. Okinaga, 161 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: where Burisa lives, isn't a huge city, maybe twenty five 162 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: thousand people, but it's just across the river from Presidio, 163 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: and it does have a hospital. For Burisa, though, deciding 164 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: where to go for care and where to have her 165 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: daughter was more complicated than what was closest to home. 166 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: Bisa is from a smaller city south of oj and 167 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: she and her husband Efren had their first daughter, Michelle, 168 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: near there. They moved to Okinaga not long after for work, 169 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: but good paying jobs were hard to come by. Eventually, 170 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: Bisa found work across the border in Texas, cleaning rooms 171 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: at a resort down the river. She said the job 172 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: was tough, but it was the best she could get 173 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:03,479 Speaker 2: for a couple of years. 174 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 4: Casidos esperandos buenos pos system physi. 175 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Efrin didn't have a visa that entered the US, 176 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: so he couldn't cross. Neither could little Michelle, so he 177 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: was raising her almost single handedly. Brisa would come home 178 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: to Ohinaga after a long day of work and basically collapse. 179 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 2: The setup didn't feel sustainable for either of them, so 180 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: when Brisa got pregnant again in twenty twenty one, they 181 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: decided this time they'd have their daughter in the US. 182 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: That way, she could cross two and they'd have options now. 183 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 2: That decision meant Efrin wouldn't be able to be with 184 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: Brisa when she went to give birth. When I met 185 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: him later on, I asked him what that had been 186 00:11:52,080 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 2: like for Himso, yes, they not being able to be 187 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: there to accompany Brisa, to help his wife and his 188 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: baby daughter. 189 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: See. 190 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: He said it felt like not having limbs. He felt useless. Luckily, 191 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: Brisa's mom had a visa, so she wasn't completely alone. 192 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 2: When they decided to go to the Texas route, Brisa 193 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: and Lauda knew they were going to a smaller hospital, 194 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: one far away, with fewer resources than one's in Chihuahua. 195 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: That was a price Brisa was willing to pay, but 196 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: Lauda said they didn't expect to find themselves speeding between hospitals, 197 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 2: for the process to be so long and complicated and scary. 198 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: And it wasn't just the distance, Brisa said. Until they 199 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: got to Odessa, it was hard for them to even 200 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: understand what all the medical staff were telling them. She 201 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: says almost no one spoke to them in Spanish. Her 202 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: English is limited, but she said the pain helped her 203 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: concentrate on understanding the important stuff. And Brisa told me 204 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: she keeps thinking about other women she knows who've also 205 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: given birth in the US. A lot of them don't 206 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: speak English at all, and not even their moms can cross. 207 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: Some have even lost their children in the delivery room 208 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: and dealt with that totally alone. 209 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 5: I am as camp Ala. 210 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: Even before giving birth to Andrea, I'd been thinking she 211 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: only wanted to have two kids, but now she's sure 212 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:16,359 Speaker 2: no not. I thought a lot about Bisa after our conversation. 213 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: For her, living on the border meant possibility, increased options 214 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: for work for medical treatment, but it had also separated 215 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: her from her family and pushed her to choose a 216 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: riskier option for her own health care. I wondered about 217 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: the aftermath of that decision, what the border would mean 218 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: for her as a mom, and whether a year and 219 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: a half after her childbirth odyssey, she felt like she'd 220 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: made the right call. So this summer I went to 221 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: go meet her in Presidio at her job at the 222 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: Mexican Consulate. But Hesa told me she'd been worried about 223 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: what it would be like to go back to work 224 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: after a maternity leave, but she said the consulate had 225 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: been great about it. For the first few months. She'd 226 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: been allowed to go home early every day. Now she 227 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: heads out at four pm to pick up Andrea. 228 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 5: And and that wasn't at first. 229 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: Brisa and Eviden weren't sure how they were going to 230 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: handle childcare, but on this front, the Mexican side of 231 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: the border had come through for them. In Ohinanga, they 232 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: found a nursery that would take Andrea starting at three months. 233 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: We drove across the border into Mexico. No stopping required here. 234 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: The Mexican officials just waved us through and then pulled 235 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: up to the daycare. Brisa told me the nursery was 236 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: subsidized by the federal government. She said it charged less 237 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: for a month of care than the small daycare and 238 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: Presidio did for a week. To enroll, Andrea had to 239 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: be registered as a Mexican citizen, but compared to the 240 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: process of getting a US visa, signing her up for 241 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: dual citizenship was a breeze. But he's I could do 242 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: it right at work, says he. The last time I'd 243 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: seen Andrea, she was barely a month old. Now, at 244 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: eighteen months, she'd grown into the little boss of the family. 245 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: At home. 246 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: In their new house, she showed off her outfit, a 247 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: pink shirt that said my mom is magical. That's Prettysa's 248 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: older daughter, Michelle. They're still waiting for her green card 249 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:58,479 Speaker 2: and evidence. It's now been three years since they filed applications, 250 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: and the length of the whole pros has been hard 251 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: on Brisa, and. 252 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 5: It'sla and so Andrea. 253 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: In the US, She says, it's still Brisa and Andrea 254 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: against the world. The hospital trip wasn't Brisa's last long 255 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 2: drive to care. Andrea's pediatric appointments were in Alpine. Brisa 256 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: had to take the baby alone, and she says every 257 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: time she panicked about Andrea by herself in the backseat. 258 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: When the baby would start to cry, Brisa would pull over, 259 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: leaving the car running to keep her warm and breastfeed 260 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: her there on the side of the highway. She'd changed 261 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 2: Andrea's diaper, play music, try to get her to go 262 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: to sleep before getting back on the road. 263 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 5: Altres Allo stops. 264 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: Manuel. Was usually a two hour drive became three hours 265 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: each way, and eventually Brisa decided it didn't make sense 266 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: there was no pediatrician in Persidio, but they'd have to 267 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: make it work with the regular doctor. When I visited, 268 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: Efrin was also home, helping the girls pack for a 269 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: trip to see their Grandma Lauda. He told me he 270 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 2: still struggles with the ways the border keeps him from 271 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 2: being able to support Brisa, but on the other hand, 272 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: the limitations of the migration system have given him the 273 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: chance to be a really active parent to Michelle, especially 274 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 2: when she was little. With Pam, he said he's found 275 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 2: little ways to bond with each daughter, dancing with them 276 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: in the morning, getting to know their personalities as they form. 277 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 3: The demos inclusive. 278 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: And I asked Prisa and Efrin if they felt like 279 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: considering everything the decision to give birth and Texas had 280 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: been worth. 281 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 3: It aid process there, you say, see. 282 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: Briso said to a certain point. 283 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 6: Yes, Alao, But if she'd known everything she knows now, 284 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 6: she might have done things differently from the start. 285 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 5: Chose is right officas. 286 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 2: In healthcare in the US is overrated, She's decided. But 287 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: if you're willing to try it, you give your kids options. 288 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: If they want to study, if they want to work, 289 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: if they want to travel, then they can. And in 290 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: the end, she said this was the most important decision 291 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: she and Evidence had made as parents. And she told 292 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: me we could have said let her be born here, 293 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: but we said no, We're going to give her the 294 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: opportunity to not have to struggle. Once we'd finished talking, 295 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: but Hesa drove me back across the bridge, stopping at 296 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: the kiosk to show the customs officer our documents. While 297 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: we waited for him to scan my passport, I thought 298 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 2: about how this everyday experience for Brisa is one that 299 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: half her family still doesn't share. The West Texas highways 300 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 2: define this region for so many of us, and they 301 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: were the site of Brisa's scariest moments and the first 302 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: experiences of her daughter's life. 303 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 5: And Alexorcista. 304 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: Brisa says, she tells her family, I can still smell 305 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: the oil. She remembers, the moon, the highway, the cars honking, 306 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: her body twisted up like the girl in the Exorcist. 307 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: But that landscape, those roads, Brisa's husband has never even 308 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: seen them. I can't imagine them. So when she found 309 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: herself scrambling to make game time decisions on the road, 310 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 2: she says, he told her, you make the call. I 311 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 2: can't tell you what to do. Before I met Brisa, 312 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: I thought mostly about the loneliness that comes from a 313 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 2: lack of options when it comes to care. But hearing that, 314 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 2: I thought, here's a different kind of isolation, one that 315 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: comes with choices, having to make decisions without being sure 316 00:21:53,560 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: what's right, and having to do it alone. Brisa dropped 317 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: me at the consulate and then turned around to cross 318 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: the border again. As she drove off, I thought about 319 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 2: something she'd said earlier when I asked what she wanted 320 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: to do when all the visas were approved and her 321 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: family could come to Texas together. She told me she 322 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: wanted to bring them to the observatory in Fort Davis 323 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 2: to see the Marpha Lights. 324 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 5: Marpha Lights. 325 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: And tourists come from all over the world to peer 326 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: through a telescope at the stars, which shine more brightly 327 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 2: here than almost anywhere else in the country. Brisa said 328 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: she wants her family to be able to see them too. 329 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: This episode of So Far From Care was produced by 330 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: Zoey Kurland, Carlos Morales, and me Annie Rosenthal. Muchamlia Combarta, 331 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: thanks also to Stephanie Quo and Ruxandra Guidi. The music 332 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 2: you heard was composed and performed by Clara Brill, and 333 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: the episode art is by Hannah Gentiles and Dio Kramer. 334 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: So Far From Care is a production of Marfa Public 335 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 2: Radio and is made possible by support from listeners like you. 336 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 2: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. You can find the 337 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: rest of the episodes and ways to support the station 338 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,239 Speaker 2: at Marfa public radio dot org,