WEBVTT - Kevin is Next - Part 2 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:05.480 Most of the pis that I know are former cops. 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:08.639 They're middle aged white dudes for the most part, right, 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:11.400 and they got a cop vibe to them. And so 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:15.800 depending on where you're going, who you're talking to, you 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:17.560 don't necessarily want to talk to something it looks like 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:17.959 a cop. 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:22.479 This is doctor Amanda Lewis. She helps select cases for 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:26.360 Georgetown's making an ex hoonery program where people in prison 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:32.360 claiming innocence can have their convictions reinvestigated. These investigations aren't 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:38.120 led by police or lawyers or private investigators. Instead, they're 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.320 assigned to groups of undergrad students. 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.240 That is one thing that makes the students so invaluable 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:45.560 with reinvestigation. 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:47.000 First of all, they're curious. 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.040 They actually sometimes don't know a lot about these things, 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.680 so they'll ask questions that I wouldn't think to ask, 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.560 or they really don't understand and it so they allow 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.920 people to explain more and talk more. They're not necessarily intimidating. 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:03.680 Typically people want to talk, so that is usually helpful. 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.720 A group of three students is assigned to investigate Kevin 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:11.680 Herrick's case, along with a third year law student, Nick White, 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:13.160 Amanda's husband. 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.560 When I find something immediately go to like property records, 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:17.399 I go to these things. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:18.120 She starts. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:22.680 She thinks in people more than I do. I think 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:24.759 through documents, and she thinks through people. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.319 Can you describe like the difference in the energy that 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.200 you bring to this case, and like what that's like 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.800 working together, and just what strengths one of others have? 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:34.959 Like how does that work between you? I think we 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.800 have totally opposite She drives me nuts. 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.880 I don't by throwing chaos into my carefully crafted folders. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.360 And yeah, no, it's true. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.080 I mean Amanda has a knack for getting to the 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:52.200 bottom of a case through finding people who might know something, gotten. 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:53.560 Really interested and first of all, just like boots on 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.040 the ground, door knocking. I don't know what it's being 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.160 from a small town. I love talking people. People just 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.040 open up to me about their stuff. Maybe it's because 0:01:59.080 --> 0:01:59.640 I overshare. 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.880 I don't know, but I've found a way that to 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:04.760 make it really useful. I love that part of that. 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:05.120 I love this. 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.200 They'll work with three undergrads who will spend months digging 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:09.200 into Kevin's case. 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:11.839 It's a group project, right, and it is the most 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.080 difficult group project anyone will ever work on. And I 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.840 would say that, like in this particular group, it is 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:23.160 an amazing group of students that works really well together 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:27.720 and all have their own specific strengths and things that 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:32.280 they bring to the table. Got obviously sweet baby Brett. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.960 My life's purpose is to work with incarcerated people and 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.280 help them get back with the prison system stole from them. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.239 Who is a delight and just a really sweet and 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:43.800 great young man. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.160 There's Ava Hi. 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:48.200 My name is Ava Kaburat. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:53.040 She is really really smart. She was quieter at herst and. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.600 I'm really hoping to be a part of the Spring 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.520 twenty twenty five cohort for Thing Making Any Sooner. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.160 Class one my name is Nina. 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.280 Nina who was wonderful, very outspoken, very loud, like I mean, 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:06.079 I am as well. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:10.920 I will try everything to get these people justice in 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:12.240 a system that doesn't. 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:12.920 Give it out. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.600 But when the students got their assignments, Nina wasn't eager 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:19.079 to work on Kevin's case. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.160 I got assigned Kevin's case, and I remember the first 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.640 day I was like, I want to switch off. I 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.440 was like, I'm not taking this, I'm just not doing it. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.800 I just was really vehemently opposed to working on a 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.320 sexual assault case. I always want to believe the victim, 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.120 and I just I was like, I'm not taking this. 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:40.520 I'm just not doing it. 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.640 She even told Mark Howard, the co director of making 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.560 an ex Hoonare, that she wanted a different. 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:54.040 Case, and Mark said, well, this is the case you're 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.880 working on, so you can drop the class or you 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.000 can stand the case. So I said, you know what, 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.320 let me do you one better. I'll read the case 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:07.200 and I'll prove to you that he's guilty. It's all there, 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.560 So let me read the case and prove to you 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.520 that he's guilty. I got it. I just had no 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:15.840 clue what I was getting myself into. 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:32.720 Do you hear my madness? 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.640 Laughter you. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.520 Sorrows down, sorrowing. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:47.479 Miss Ballly s. 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:15.440 Yes, bone Valley Kevin is next Part two. 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:28.560 There's no rule book, there's no right. Nobody says, here's 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.240 the case. And then once you read the case, then 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.039 talk to X Y Z person and Buba. No one 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:38.599 gives you that shit. You have got to create a playbook. 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.640 When Nina, Ava and Brett get started, one of the 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.320 first things they do is read the trial transcript. 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.360 We researched everything. 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:53.039 The trial itself lasted only two days. There's not a 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.920 whole lot of pages to go through, but the students 0:05:55.960 --> 0:06:00.160 aren't just reading. They're dissecting line by line, look looking 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.240 for a clear timeline in the victim's accounts of what 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:10.440 happened that night, and whether the pieces actually fit. The 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:14.440 first witness called at trial is Cheryl Kevin's neighbor with 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.560 the baby, who says she was sexually assaulted that night. 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.440 She testifies that on the night of the attack, she 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.520 was home alone with the baby while her boyfriend Scott 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.720 was out. She went to bed, then woke to an 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:31.080 intruder on top of her, pressing a sharp object to 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:35.039 her neck. She says he threatened to hurt her or 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.640 her baby if she didn't comply, and says he briefly 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:42.680 forced his penis into her mouth. It was pitch black, 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.480 she says, and she couldn't get a clear look at 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:51.320 the attacker. Next on the stand is Scott Barfield. He 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.560 says that after returning to the triplex that night, he 0:06:54.680 --> 0:07:00.240 was smoking a cigarette outside when he heard whimpering insiderushed 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:04.080 in and fought with the assailant in the dark. During 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:08.080 the struggle, Scott was stabbed twice in the chest, shallow 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:13.200 wounds that left only minor injuries. The next part of 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.600 Scott's testimony is hard to follow, but here's the best 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.040 I can do to boil it down. Scott says the 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.160 assailant tried to leave through the locked, sliding glass door, 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:28.080 then exited out the front. Scott chased him down the block, 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:32.160 over a fence, and into the parking lot of another complex. 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:37.400 Bleeding and unwilling to confront him again, Scott crouched near 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.640 a row of boats parked on trailers, trying to get 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:42.680 a look at the man who had attacked him and 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.200 his girlfriend. He thought he saw the man climb into 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:50.360 a car. Scott says he memorized the license plate number 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:55.480 and then ran back toward the triplex. By then, several 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.800 neighbors had come outside after hearing Sheryl screams about the 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:09.240 attack as she stood holding her baby. At first a skeptic, 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:14.720 Nina studies the transcript, trying to follow Scott's testimony. As 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:18.560 she reads, she sketched the diagram and labels everyone who 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:22.000 is standing in the courtyard of the triplex. There were 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:27.880 the victims, Eryl and her baby, missus Pori, Pat's mom, 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:32.160 the woman on oxygen who Kevin was living with, Teresa, 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.439 the young couple living in the other. 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:39.840 Unit, Barbara and Dave Stewart, and one more person, Kevin's 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.520 standing right there. 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:47.280 But if Kevin was standing there when Scott returned, how 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.600 could he also be the man Scott chased over a 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:59.119 fence and saw getting into a car. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.840 Hey, y'all, it's Maggie. I'm here to tell you about 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:10.840 a new show I've been working on for the past 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:15.320 two years. 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Here is the trailer 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.240 for Graves County. 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.880 All I know is what I've been told, and that's 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.079 a half truth is a whole lie. 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.719 For almost a decade, the murder of an eighteen year 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.719 old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:48.480 went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.600 handful of girls came forward with a story. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.839 I'm telling you we know when we know. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.160 A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.800 and that got the citizen investigator on national TV. 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.480 Through sheer, persistence and nerve. 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:09.559 This Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Current. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.320 My name is Maggie Freeling. 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Bad things happens 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.800 to good people and small towns. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.360 Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley Feed starting 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:00.800 September seventeenth on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.160 you get your podcasts, and to binge the entire season 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.959 ad free. Subscribe to LoVa for Good plus on Apple podcasts. 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.559 One of the biggest issues with the theory that Kevin 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.400 committed this crime is that there was someone with him 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.200 all night who had no reason to lie about what 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:42.600 she saw. Teresa Pori was essentially guarding the only way 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.720 in and out of the apartment, the front door. In 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.199 her deposition, she says Kevin came home that night then 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.560 went into bed, and that she sat in the living 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:57.040 room watching TV when she heard Cheryl screaming. She went 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.960 into Kevin's room to wake him up. She says, there's 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.280 there's no way he could have left without her knowing, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.800 and the layout of the apartment backs her up. The 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.440 Pory's unit had three sliding glass doors that opened onto 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:14.360 the back patio, one in Kevin's room, one in the 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:18.720 living room, and one in Missus Pory's bedroom, but none 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.880 of them offered a realistic escape room. The door to 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:27.120 Kevin's room was jammed off its rails, blocked by furniture 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:31.240 and construction supplies. If Kevin had used it, he would 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.199 have had to drag it open and maneuver through obstacles 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:38.720 silently and in seconds. The living room door was directly 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.400 in missus Pory's line of sight as she sat on 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.959 the couch watching TV, and the sliding door to missus 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.040 Pory's bedroom was on the other side of the living room, 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.920 meaning Kevin would have had to sneak right past her 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:55.559 to use it. As missus Pory put it in her testimony, 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.800 he was asleep when I went in there. That boy 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.680 was asleep. There was no time for that boy to 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.040 come in there to hop in bed. By the time 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.920 I got from here to that bedroom, I would have 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.800 seen him get in the bed. There was no time, 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:16.400 because that's how fast I ran back to get him. 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.000 For Scott's story to be true, Kevin would have had 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.840 to leave the Pory's apartment without being seen or heard 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.960 by Teresa. He'd have to walk around the building to 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:33.000 Cheryl and Scott's apartment next door, attack Cheryl, fight with Scott, 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.679 stab him, run out the front door, get chased by 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:40.000 Scott a few blocks, sneak back into his bedroom, and 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:45.480 pretend to be asleep again without Teresa noticing him. So 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.280 now the students have to decide which makes more sense 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.640 Scott's story that Kevin was responsible for the attacks or 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:57.320 missus Pori's testimony that Kevin never left the apartment. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.880 Okay, let's walk the dog with me here. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.719 Nina started out wanting to prove Kevin guilty, but when 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:10.160 she worked through the timeline and testimony, she realized the 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.960 pieces didn't fit the way Scott said they did. Kevin 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:17.720 supposedly ran everywhere, but all the evidence pointed to him 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.720 never leaving the triplex. Missus Pori said he never went 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.640 anywhere and there was no way he could have gotten 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.640 in or out without her seeing him. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:31.080 Like, you can't walk the dog with me. The dog 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:35.560 is still stationary because there's nothing to walk. Now, screw 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.840 the timeline, right say, somehow he made it work. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:43.400 Even then, if Kevin attacked Cheryl and stab Scott, there 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.680 should have been something left behind, some trace in the 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.280 apartment pointing back to him. 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.440 They collected hair, and they collected fingerprints from the crime scene. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.520 This is ava They were able to show that the 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.200 hair didn't match Kevin's through micro analysis that they did. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.720 They also compared the bloody prints on the door from 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:08.160 where the assailant tried to escape to Kevin's prince, and. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.880 They showed the fingerprints didn't match Kevin either. They a 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.080 few of them matched the victim, and the rest of 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.640 them were unidentified. None of the physical evidence matched Kevin. 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.400 Nina may have been skeptical of Kevin at the start, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.440 but now based on the timeline and the evidence. She 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:25.920 was questioning herself. 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:32.800 I was like, crap, this guy might actually he may actually. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.160 As the students dug deeper, they realized there was so 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.920 much here that seemed to point away from Kevin's guilt. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.120 Here's ava I. 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.400 Think also another one of the issues with this case 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.080 is that there are too many issues. There's a timeline 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.680 in the physical evidence, and the you know, police interference, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.680 and the crappy attorney and all of this stuff and it. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:02.080 And then police misrepresented the evidence. Officers told the victims 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.040 they'd found a bloody knife and clothes in Kevin's room, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.440 and that the bloody fingerprints on the sliding glass door 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:13.080 were matched to Kevin. None of this was true, but 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.560 it made a powerful impression at trial. 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:20.720 We're inclined to believe the victim, especially in sexual assault cases, 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:26.360 and the issue is that the identification of Kevin didn't 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.320 actually originally come from the victim. It came from the 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:35.240 police who told them falsely that they found a bloody 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.640 knife and bloody clothing in Kevin's room, which was not 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:40.560 true at the end of the day. But once you 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.720 tell someone who's just been through a traumatic incident that 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.200 you have a potential suspect, and all they want to 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.320 do is resolve the case and figure out who did 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.800 this and move beyond it. Then it's understandable in a 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.800 way that they would fixate on that, and at that 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:01.360 point you just can't remove that from their minds. 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.800 In her deposition, Cheryl pointed to Kevin as her attacker. 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.800 On cross examination, Kevin's lawyer asked a simple question. 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.960 Your opinion as to who this was is based on what? 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.760 And she says, they found a bloody knife in his 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.040 room and his fingerprints on our door. That is the 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.560 basis of why she believes Kevin did it, and that's 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:25.080 a lie. 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:30.200 There's so many points where somebody could have stopped this. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:30.960 This is Brett. 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:32.000 Yeah. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.639 The police could have stopped this, The judge could have 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:38.520 stopped this, the prosecutor could have stopped this. So many people, 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.080 the jury could have stopped this. It feels like it 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.639 should be so much more difficult for this to happen, 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.119 but then when you actually look at this, it just 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.160 happened so easily. 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.280 By the time they were ready to travel to Florida 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.840 to investigate for themselves, the students had read everything they 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.840 could get their hands on, and then came more. 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:03.160 Right before this trip, the Innocence Project gave us over 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.120 two thousand pages of documents. 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.240 Yes, so we got Since Nick is advising the student group, 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.280 he and Amanda take on the opposite of their usual roles. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.800 Nick heads to Florida to be on the ground with 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.480 the undergrads, while Amanda stays behind to work through the 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:20.440 mountain of documents. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:21.160 Documents. 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.520 So, really, the night before your trip and the next day, 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:25.600 I'm staying up. 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.439 I'm also an I know, so I'm staying up till 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.359 like three am, going through just to see what all 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:30.320 there is. I'm like skipping. 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.160 Meanwhile, the students are on the ground in Tampa, knocking 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.840 on doors and visiting key locations in the case, not 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.359 the kinds of places you'd ever find on the grounds 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:44.280 of Georgetown University. 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:48.560 Yeah, so we just went to Mon's Venus, which is 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:53.280 the strip club where Patrick Pory and Felicia Pori both 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:53.760 worked at. 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.680 They also try to talk to anyone else who is 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.520 still alive who might know something about this case. 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:01.920 I'm really nervous. 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:03.560 That's gonna be. 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:05.840 I know that they're not gonna let us a night 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:07.000 they will. 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're students looking into cases that have 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:17.440 outstanding issues like here we have untested evidence and things 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.600 like that. We're here to talk to you about your 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:26.159 ex husband. See if you had any information for us. 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.280 That's win somewhere to like, yeah, here, let's go. 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.320 Back to that brand in the car. 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.480 And so we just went to. 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:36.760 Charly and Scott. 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.640 Neither of them were home. We're gonna try again this evening. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.200 They investigate at the triplex. 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.760 We just pulled up to the triplex. We have looked 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:53.640 at photos of this triplex like forever, and we just 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:58.440 like saw in person. Holy shit, I can't believe, like 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:02.639 this is where Kevin like whole life has taken from him. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.520 And they try once again to make Scott's testimony line 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.320 up with Kevin being the assailant. 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:13.840 Okay, so he runs out through here, this is the fighting. 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:20.160 Loss story through so he instead comes out this runs that. 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.160 Way, but they can't make it work. 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:23.200 Doesn't make sense. 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.119 Back in Maryland, Amanda is working her way through this 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:38.720 new stack of documents. 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.920 And looking mostly focused on depositions and statements. 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.480 But then I see in there a vehicle property report, 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:46.080 but they have been number and a license plate. And 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.520 we've known from the start of this case, that a 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.440 license plate was yelled out and that we've never had 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:52.280 the plate number. 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.080 This has always been one of the more disturbing parts 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.800 of Kevin's case. Scott says he told police about the 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:04.120 life's plate number, and yet none of the officer's reports 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:07.880 from that night mention a car or a plate. It says, 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.879 if both vanished from police records, so where did that 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:17.280 number go and who did it belong to? Then comes 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:22.320 the most surprising part at trial. Scott says he made 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.679 the whole story up. He says he already knew it 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:28.840 was Kevin, but lied about the license plate to throw 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:33.000 police off because he wanted to take revenge on Kevin himself. 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:38.160 He's just been stabbed, his girlfriend has been sexually assaulted, 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.639 his baby's life has been threatened, and his first instinct 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:47.720 is to lie to the police. Also, when Scott runs 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.920 back to the Triplex, he says he sees Kevin while 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:55.040 Cheryl and her baby are also still there. If he 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.720 really thought Kevin was the attacker all along, why not 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:03.320 confront him? And then Scott goes to the hospital to 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:06.720 get his minor injuries treated, but leave Cheryl and their 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:10.240 baby standing there with Kevin. Still at the Triplex. 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.000 That makes no sense. 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:20.360 And now, thirty six years later, Amanda uncovers a document 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:24.240 buried in the state Attorney's files attached to Kevin's case. 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:29.760 It's a police report, an investigation into a license plate. 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.320 I see this report, I'm like, what the hell is this? 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:37.880 And I just see that one page and I get 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:41.560 so excited, and I so I think. 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.920 I called Nick immediately and I emailed it to all 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:45.399 the students. 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:46.840 I'm like, holy shit, is this the plate. 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.600 Amanda immediately files a record's request with the Florida DMV 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:57.760 on plate Easy five one one W and boom, the 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:01.520 plate comes back to a nineteen seventy eight Dotson station 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:05.200 wagon owned at the time by a man named Paul Fordett, 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:09.439 who lived just down the road from the Triplex. She 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:13.240 quickly punches for Debt's name into the Panellas County Clerk 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:15.280 of Court criminal records database. 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:16.960 Paul Fordett scroll down. 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:20.679 One criminal charge shows up on their sexual battery nineteen 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:22.960 seventy nine, and I was like, holy shit. I was like, 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:27.600 I'm like, I'm fucking so excited. I'm like so and 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:28.640 so then I start looking at. 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:29.280 Those pages again. 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:32.359 It looks to Amanda like the license plate Scott was 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:35.520 screaming out that night. The car he said he initially 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:38.560 tracked to the assailant was registered to a man who 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.560 lived in the neighborhood, a man who had already been 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:45.800 charged with sexual battery long before Kevin was ever accused 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:50.560 in this case. Amanda eventually pulls the details on those charges. 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:55.600 Essentially, he had been sexually abusing a family member for 0:23:55.640 --> 0:24:00.040 four to five years and you know, escalating in that 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:05.960 behavior and reported to you know, his wife at the time, 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.960 and she reported the police. He pretty much confessed like 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:11.840 that same day to doing it. 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:16.840 And that discovery set off a cascade of questions. 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:18.720 For her limited to that because I started thinking, Okay, 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:22.919 would somebody that assaulted a child family member be the 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.320 same type of person that committed this crime. So I 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.159 started looking back in the documents and the details of 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.159