WEBVTT - Conversations About The Lakers 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.360 Watch up and welcome back to another episode and no 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.520 sellers podcast with your host. Not funk that with your 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:15.880 low classes, Malone. That's the same thing I'll tell y'all 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.200 all the time. Anyway, y'all give offense too much credit. 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:21.960 So whoever scoring the points, y'all be like, oh, he's 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.360 the best player on the team. It's like being in 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.800 kindygarden at times talking hoops for people, dog, whoever scored 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:33.000 a more point Tatum? Tatum is six nine inefficient shoot? 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.640 Or you cannot be that tall and shoot forty five percent? 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.400 What are you doing? He is not the best player 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.400 on the Celtics team. Is he a good combination of 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.159 a good offensive player and a good combination of a 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.120 defensive player. Sure, the best player on the team is 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:53.120 market Spark. The team is built around market smart identity, sir, 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:59.880 That's what and start off this podcast, people, market Smart 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.240 is the best member of the boss just went to 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:06.520 the East tiwn listen because they went to the Eastern 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.559 Conference finals when Jayon Brown was a baby and Taylor 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.600 wasn't on the team. And then I said Thomas and 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.039 then Isaiah Thomas can go play for somebody else. Shout 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.200 out to my nigga to my low, but niggas Isaiah 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.600 Thomas and they're in the Eastern Conference finals. The team 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.119 is built around defense. They have the number one defense 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.959 in the NBA with the number one defensive player. What 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.000 the hell, it's not rocket side, Really, I really can't 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:37.039 stand you, brother man, lying to the public right now. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.920 But as he also continues, but also he also does 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:47.600 contribute offensively, like conversation. Offensively, they're the number one defensive 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:54.080 team in the NBA, the number one defensive team in 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:58.480 NBA with an average or above average offensive player. You 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:03.720 want to tell me about his contribution. Fucking contributed? Your 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.360 datta stopped disrespecting defense. I don't know what happened in 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.160 basketball to where ESPN is brain west yall with highlights. 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:17.240 Defense wins championship. You know what happened in basketball? Games 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:22.919 two through five of the NBA Finals. Yeah, but games 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.440 two through five and NBA Finals is all about defense. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.360 The first game is the only one about offense. As 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:31.680 le Bron, I didn't think that was the case this year. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.520 It's always that. What happened was the Warriors may change 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.880 his defensively and the Celtics could not because the Warriors 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.760 have a really great defense. It happened to be that. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.359 It happened to be the number one and two defensive 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.760 teams in the NBA. And you notice the difference between 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.440 offenses with Tatum and stuff at that point, Yes, you did? 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.320 You see what you see with a two or three 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.440 time m v P look like versus and Nigga? Who 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.360 y'all high on? That's s nine that shoot jump shots? 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:02.720 E g. He dunked one time in the whole funals. 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:08.240 You're six nine? What are you doing? It's so upsetting 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:13.240 explaining basketball to people. They just show determined scoring the ball. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:17.639 It's like everybody's a kid three to one Jordan's Kobe bro. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.680 The game is way more than scoring the goddamn ball. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:27.240 It is, And it's frustrating when you're looking at Marcus Smart, 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.359 who literally has been taking his team to the playoffs 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:35.560 through his world renowned defense. He's probably this only is 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.400 he the second point guard to ever win Defensive Player 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.440 of the Year. You're not good. You gotta be as 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.280 a point guard to win defensive Player. I think Sydney 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:47.240 Moncrief was a shooting guard. Shooting guard. I think Michael 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.800 George's shooting guard. It's only been two Niggers and it 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.480 gets this is one of the greatest defenders ever and 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.360 somehow we're talking about Tatum. Hatum is not one of 0:03:56.400 --> 0:04:00.160 the best offensive players to day. This this is true, 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.600 but you have to be like your first offensive player 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:07.280 on your team to do that as a point guard. Yes, 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:11.440 for the most part, it's it's it's it's simple science. 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:15.200 Right when the Celtics won in two thousand eight, they 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.320 were the number one defensive team. They weren't even a 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:22.960 top ten offer that one defensive player of the year. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.200 And you can talk about Paul they won a championship. 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:35.400 But somehow you nick is making about the truth? How how? Why? 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:39.440 I was having on Twitter and it was like, Chas, 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.080 so you mean to tell me the team clearly built 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:48.800 around number in the NBA is the Detroit Pistons in 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.000 two thousand four with the guy who won his second 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.080 or third Defensive Player of the Year and you Nikas 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:59.200 just talking abrom the field. What do we do it? 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.800 You know, what do we do why? While frustrating Bro, 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.799 it's like talking to little kids. And it's crazy because 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.080 some of the niggas I talked to hoop niggas is 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.919 hoopers and I'm like, bro, what the fuck if you 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:18.440 have the number one defense with the number one defensive player, 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:23.920 be obvious who the guy is. That's that that's that's 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.880 that's crazy time. Why why are you? Why? Why is 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:32.320 this an argument? New? No? Stop, you just gotta stop. 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.440 I feel you. You're a defensive crusader, you like the 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:39.880 Christopher Columbus of defense. But no, please, no stop it 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.800 by love Marcus Smart. He is cool, but he is 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.080 a role player. A role player is not the best 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.160 player on the team. Now, if you want to argue 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:52.039 Jalen Brown, I'm cool. Both sides, get it. Get the 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:56.720 funk out of here. Thomas was doing. He's not Isaiah Thomas. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.760 He's not five nineties six nine. Stop Notah Thomas for sure, 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.000 because game as good as actually got better now he 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.200 really know we are, like are we serious right now? 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.880 Like you're gonna let one bad series basically just more 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.240 of them. I don't give a fuck, You're gonna let 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.839 one bad playoff? De value the man holding how good 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.720 was he in the first pece? Talking about him since 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:20.520 the finals, Like the man didn't help take them to 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.640 the fucking final. He didn't take them there. He shot 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.240 forty the whole way here, that ship, where the fund was, 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.200 Kevin Durin that sitting his ass at home because he 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:31.200 got his ass pooped up by who, by Jason Tatum 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.359 and about the Celtics. No he did, he got it. No, 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:41.120 he got his guarden very well. I don't everybody by who? Everyone, 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:47.880 everybody guarding everyone made a concern Al Horford was guard 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.800 h That's when I was sad when that's what Alford garden. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.240 But yes, al Horford was guard him. Yes, everybody was 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:59.880 guarding Hieration. I'm not mad, not definitely not. But Tom listen, 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.920 So number one defense that matter that Pete by the way, 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:10.559 So number one defense with the defensive player of the year. 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:16.240 That's still not his team. No, it's not his team. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.239 It's a team defense. Like he's not the team defense. 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:20.960 He can't go out there and play one on five. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:26.280 It's a five man defense. Offensive player has had a 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:30.840 good defensive foundation since Brad Stevens took over the organization 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.720 and built more around rebounding and perimeter defenders. I'm not 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.040 fennising it up here and give Marcus Smart all of 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.040 the credit because he had a good year. He had 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.160 the same fucking Marcus Smart year. You have every year, 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:42.760 he just happened to win Defensive Player of the Year 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.560 because because Jannice, every time he does something that's more incredible, 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.120 it's kind of less impressive because it's like whatever, we've 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.960 seen it before. But I don't believe Marcus Smart deserve 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:54.560 to be Defensive Player of the Year last year over 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.080 y honest. I just think people got voters fatigue because 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.040 the man went back to back m vps and Defensive 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.119 Player of the Year. But I don't think Marcus Smart 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.440 is the best defender in the NBA. That's cap to me. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.760 I would take I would take herb Jones man a 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:08.880 man over Marcus Smart and play in terms of defense 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.600 and that man a rookie you have you have lost? 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.880 You know I have not. You know I have not, 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.960 So I have not can defend three to four positions? 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:31.040 He podcast? Oh he cannot. That's podcast is no seilings. Yeah, 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:35.280 my man, Peter, Peter Boss is in the spot. I 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:40.040 got my partners from my partner TPJ, my partner Pavvy 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.720 from the Hoops and Bruise podcast and just all around 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.560 standout guys. But they started a podcast called Hoops and 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.360 Bruise if you listen to No Silings, you've heard it 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:56.600 before and it's obvious Tom has started drinking bruise early. Brother, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.160 I have nothing, but this is McDonald's sprite now we know, 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:05.520 and said about right dirty? Yeah, bro, what are you 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:09.040 talking about like that? Little You have to stop doing that. 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.760 You have to stop argue. You have to stop believing 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.439 your own personal eyes, not about my personal eyes. I 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.640 didn't say Jayson Tatum. I didn't say that, market. I 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:18.320 said Marcus Smart is not the best player on the team. 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.679 He's not. If you want to no, no, because let 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.199 me finished before you misconstrue my point. If you want 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.000 to see Jason Tatum is not the best player on 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.560 the team. Okay, but it's not fucking Marcus Smart. There's 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.360 another guy on the floor that plays very very good 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.600 defense and can give you twenty on any given night. 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:41.480 He don't even play all NBA's best defense, Daylan Brown, No, 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:43.920 you want a team with all they defending? Who you 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.199 think getting credit for? You sitt up giving Marcus Smart 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:51.000 the credit for the whole team defense. With Marcus Smart, 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.280 I'm giving him the credit because he is a standout 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:58.360 individual defender, and I agree with that. But their team 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.160 defense was number one their team d because you have 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:06.640 because you have good defenders on the team, one of 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:10.120 the best defensive players in the NBA. That does not 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:14.560 make that man the best playing on the team. Because 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.880 at that point, then can we say Joker is not 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.079 the best player on the Dungets. He is the best 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.120 player on the because he can score the ball. No, 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.560 he scores, he facilitates, he's the number one rebound on 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.839 the team. He shoot, Damn, they're the best on the team. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.760 He plays the worst defense. I don't I don't care. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.040 I don't care. Do not care about his defense. You 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.480 know why you don't care? I don't care about his defense. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.640 Why because if he's weak offensive, if he's weak offensively 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.760 and he's strong defensively like a Rudy Gobert, you're gonna 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.280 be telling me, Oh, the man can't do ship but 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.040 set screens. If he's an offensive dynamo and he's not 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.120 great on defense, that's all he's can't be the best player. 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.120 He don't play deeper like it's like it's all of 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:02.840 this like you're one, You're doing it time, You're doing 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:07.760 it right. I'm literally I'm not. I just gave you 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:12.320 the perfect example of an offensive talent who does not 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:16.719 play good defense on the team. Is rebounding a part 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:21.480 of defense? Rebounding is a possession part. But now what 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.920 I asked you, I asked you a very specific questions. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:25.960 Yes or no. It's rebounding a part of defense. It 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:30.800 depends defensive Yes, and you did you doing this? You 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:35.520 doing pay? You're answering your question with specifics. Defensive rebounding 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.240 is a part of defense. Okay, then so therefore, if 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.920 the man is giving me seven to eight defensive rebounds 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.320 a game, he is upholding his part of the of 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.840 the responsibility as well as being an offensive dynamo. Don't 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:53.320 sit up here and try to conflict. So Marcus Smart, 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.920 So March Smart doesn't have sixteen points and seven to six, 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.480 it's not six six. Still he can trip off, and 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:08.840 what is his job off? Both the facilitate and as 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.319 the point guard, he should havever six assists? If he's 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.000 not what it? What do you want use the point guard? 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.760 Jalen Brunson didn't never six assists and he's a point guard. 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.080 Jalen Brunson is not the point guard of the of 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:22.280 the of the of the Dallas Mavericks, Luca was that's Cap. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.439 That's Cap. That is straight up, he's the point guard. 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.520 He is a point guard in name only. The same 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:30.720 way as we had the conversation earlier about the Lakers 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.160 and Lebron and and you said Lebron not gonna not 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.520 play point guard, he needs them assist is not listing. 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.880 Lebron is not listed at point guard though, point guard 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:46.320 Lucas I'm saying, right, So floora positioning is where you 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.920 play on the floor, minus all the shenagans of what 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.360 we didn't convince ourselves of titles, and you know what, 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.240 he's a facilitator, blah blah blah blah. No, let's just 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.640 talk about simple floor positioning. So my question to you 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.360 and me make my point. Marcus Smart plays the point 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:09.079 guard Floyd positioning. Lebron James plays the point guard floor positioning, Luca, 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.800 that's not important. The reality is, yes, a defensive player 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.640 can be the best player on the team. He's not 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.319 on the Boston Celtics, That's what I'm saying. No, he's not. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.840 It's not the only team in the NBA that has 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:26.720 the best player on the team and they're in they're 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:35.559 a defensive player is Rudy Gobert, periods man, and they 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.280 can go to hell in a handbasket. And that's how 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:44.400 I feel about you. This motherfuck No, Marcus Smart. Celtics 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:50.120 have been good. The Celtics have been good since Marcus 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:55.160 Smart has been suiting up. They're in the Eastern Conference 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:59.920 Final with not Tatum Smart at least the past Marcus 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:06.440 a consistent thing there and Al Horford too. Yeah, and 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.440 that was still okay, And and he came back and 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.040 guess what, they wasn't even better? And they was even 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.439 better when he came back. Agreed, Okay, then, so how 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.559 was it all on Marcus Smart? Then if it's not 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.400 Michael Jordan is the best player on the Chicago Bulls, 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.320 that don't meant Scottie Pippen is not Scottie Pippen. No, 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.640 by your argument, Scotty the best defender on the team. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:30.840 He facilitated scoring. He's not the best defender on the team. 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:35.680 Michael Jordan's Michael Michael Jordan's and then maybe Dennis Robbin 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.120 And well, actually no, Dennis Robbin is a better defender 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.000 than Michael Jordan. But we're talked about before he was 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.040 the best player on the Bulls. Then it actually was 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.600 a real conversation whether or not or you don't give 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:50.520 credit to offensive rebounds. I give credit to offensive red 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.880 because that would make him just like a dynamic I 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.480 give that because you talked about offensive rebounds that would 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.760 make him a dynamic offensive player. I do think I 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.160 never argued that he wasn't a dynamic offensive player. But he's. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.080 But at that point, they're not better than Michael Jeff Jordan. 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.960 It's possible he could fucking be better than Michael fucking 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.720 Jordan's No, I'm saying all that, but I mean he's 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.280 a better defender. Look, I know you don't smoke weed. 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.440 I know this. Yeah, but it's Friday, it's your day off. 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.400 I'm not saying all that, but I do think Robin 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.840 should have want to find v P George Show does 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.800 Gary Payton show shot thirty but he broke it off 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:37.480 as a reboundy record twice. And Michael Jordan, but you 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.280 know what, the last shot, the last shot, little kids 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:44.280 three to Michael Jordan made the shot. He made the shot. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.040 He shot thirty times to have his thirty point. He 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:48.960 did shoe third time slack before it. That was his 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.840 worst playoff series ever Acts. Garry Patty was on that. 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.080 But I can change things. How do you think of 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.200 these things? I mean, you're just I think of these things. 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:01.440 They're just the fact I actually care about facts. I 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.280 don't look past the scrolls on the wall. If it's 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.920 right there, there's a bass guitar hanging up in the studio. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:08.920 I don't look past and me like that wall color 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.280 is nice, there's still a bass guitar hanging on the studio. 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:14.560 So who are you saying Michael Jordan is the bass 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.680 guitar of the wall. Well, I mean Dennis Rodman was 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.239 winning before Michael Jordan's win. Got to go in this conversation. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.680 Michael Jordan's winning before Dennis Rodman. You know he wasn't 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.720 He won three titles before Robin. No, no no, no, no, no, 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.360 he I'm telling you Thennis Robbin won title before Michael 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.440 Jordans won anything. Well, Michael Joyd was getting bounced around 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:37.480 the East Coast by everybody in their MoMA. He's getting 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:41.240 passed around like a two dollar hooker every playoffs. You 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.640 know what Dennis Rodman was doing, Peter winning on the 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.320 team where he was not where he wasn't. He was 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:53.120 literally the number one defensive player on the number one 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:57.360 defensive team that you, for fucking some reason can't see 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.240 that their offense was number thirteen, but you attempidated and 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:01.960 they and they didn't have a guy that was They 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.000 started shooting guard. That's one of the best defensive shooting 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:09.240 guards to exist. I mean, he's not quite I don't 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.920 want that. I don't want hear that they got defense 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.160 on that team. Bill Albert complay no defense, joy, did 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:21.719 he mean Steve kerkis shoot the ball? But we're not, say, 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.240 anybody than Michael Jordan, And we're not We're not trying 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.280 to this this sir Michael Jordan's contributions or did Steve 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.680 Kerk's contribution to championships? But all of a sudden, his defense. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.679 You care about everybody else but now his office Michael 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:39.679 Jordan scoring. If you're talking about point guard defense, as 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.880 far as the Celtics team goes, a point guard defensively 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.479 is only as good as his help side defense behind him. Period. 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:55.879 That's everybody totally disagree. You tream defense. I think team defense. 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.000 He's on his team defense is only as good as 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:02.240 the guys that was behind him. Individual defender, he's fan 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.800 fucking tasting, but also your point guard being good defensively 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.080 is it helps because first of all, if if, if, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.520 if you're not getting fences right looking at the jazz. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.119 The reason why people think Rudy gets exploited in the 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:20.680 playoffs because it's Mitchell. It's like being a great corner 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:24.159 in football with a really really really good safety behind you, 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:28.199 when you can afford to press and cheat. Thank you. 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:30.920 There's other people on the clot with you at all times, yes, 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.160 and going to be who they are if the team 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.120 defense in front of them. But that's that's the same 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.199 Michael Jordan's couldn't have winning seasons before Scottie Pippen. He 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:50.880 never had a winning season. Michael Jordan played three years, 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.439 definitely to play three years before Scottie Pippen. How can 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:59.160 you see here they do his rookie contract. I mean 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.439 mattheck Johnson one as a with Karim fucking out du 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.440 with Jabar. Actually Kareem sat down and he wont still. 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.120 I really, I love you, dog, but how do you 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.280 draw me hit to have these conversations every time? I 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:17.000 don't really because you're really being biased to offense in 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.320 his disgusting shout out to my boy Nick, my man 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:23.280 Nick Hamilton's bias the offense with magic, your magic, your 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.560 favorite player. What look, what defense did he play? You're biased? 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:32.600 I'm not biased. I'm literally so a Iverson. Was he 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.679 a great defensive player? No, but he did contribute. He 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.000 actually played the past nine with a two time skills 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:46.919 like my man Magic. They just told him do whatever 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.560 you want to do again. The Kim Babe Mutumbo came 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.080 and changed the culture of that teams and they became 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.720 the best defensive league. Can get whom one defensive player 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.399 of the year. And guess who never went to no 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.840 more championships without and guess who got smoked up back 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:02.880 shock when he when they when they faced each other 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.280 and putting that man through the guy damn he was 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:07.160 putting that man through the wall and through the bass 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.199 guitar on your studios. Be fair, though, and to be 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:11.600 I think that series actually could have been better if 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.080 the Sixers weren't as hurt. They were really hurting that series, 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.040 and it might have gone four and a half or 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.280 five and a half. And Alan Iverson was a little 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.119 harder to play better defense that too, because he because 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.560 just out there whooping ass and Alan good ship because 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:27.800 Alan Irrison doesn't play great defense. He had good help 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:29.960 behind him, so we could afford to gamble all day long. 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.880 I'm not disagreed, but don't ever compare that to Mark's. 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:39.200 So part of my problem with Marcus Smart, it's it's defense. Yeah, 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:44.199 exactly smart. He gambled a lot. If I know that 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.040 the passing lanes behind me are clogged, I can defend 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.320 a guy up top a lot differently than if I 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.080 don't really totally totally agree that things you can do 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.960 when you have help is different, but that you're gonna 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.600 get stared up. Michael Jordan could play means I'm gonna 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.159 look a really really good bleeding out every point in 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.720 front of it. Could play like ship. When Dennis Rodan 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.080 was back there to get all the fucking rebounds, he 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:06.960 could miss all the shots in the world in the 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.119 final everyone he could go. He coul shoot thirty shots 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:13.679 and I mean, I mean to be fair, Uh, Dennis 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.680 shot what three times the game? Somebody else gotta shoot 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:18.640 the god damn ball. Can't be four people out there 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.399 shooting the ball and to be blunt. Dennis is in 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:25.160 a cushy position because nobody was gonna expect to scoreboard 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:27.440 three and a quarter points a game, so no one 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:29.640 covered him, so he had an open lane to pick 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.680 from to be able to position himself into rebounds because 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:34.840 he wasn't getting boxed out and manned up, and three 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:36.800 quarters covered on the block because no one was trying 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:38.840 to enter a ball to him on the block, So 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:42.840 we had a very cushy rebound man. He show his hell, 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.439 so when he crashed to the boards, I don't I 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:47.359 don't need you to give me reasons why Dennis rob 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:51.200 is a top team player. I know the reason why Dennis. Look. Look, look, 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:53.639 look what I would have started. You have started the 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.600 first twenty minutes of this podcast off with some elite 0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:00.440 hot takes one Marcus Smart, best player on the Celtics 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.920 to ten all time. None of these are hot, they 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.800 are really They're actually just simple facts that are ignored 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:17.480 by fans who glory who gramarized offense because it's all gee, 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.160 it's an offensive driven league. When you have an offensive 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.800 driven league, of course fans are gonna gravitate to what's office, 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:31.280 especially but offense for the most we don't wait a minute, 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:33.840 We don't glorify defense like we did back in the 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.760 eighties and the nineties, and the game has changed and 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.399 and the people have changed along. That's all I'm saying. 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.000 So when you talk about Marcus Spark, no, you're not 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:44.040 gonna look at Marcus Smart because first of all, he's 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:47.159 ridiculously inconsistent at times when you needed to really step up. 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:49.280 Number Two, we're gonna look at Jason Tatum because we 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:51.520 see what Jason Tatum as emerged too from that time 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.040 he dunked on Lebron in Game seven and took the Celtics, 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:55.920 who were not even featured to go to Game seven 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:57.800 at that time, to go to Game seven, and then 0:22:57.800 --> 0:22:59.679 he went back to the NBA Finals this year. So 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.440 those peoplere gonna feature and look at somebody like a 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:04.480 Jason Tatum more than they look at Marcus Smart for 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:07.280 whatever the reason is. But it is an offensive driven league, 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:09.440 and that's why we be glorified offense more do we 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:13.560 do glorified defense as a whole. That don't mean your 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:19.159 wrong that the world is wrong the world I'm saying. 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.399 What I'm saying is both things can't be right. But 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:24.639 also you're talking about what's being highlighted and what what 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:27.240 fans are paying attention to And I'm saying that's the 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:33.800 reason why fans are paying attention to that, because it's glorified. Agree, 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.000 if I had an airhorn right now, I will be 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:39.560 fucking letting that thing. Well, Tom, he just called you 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:45.280 a casual fan. I'm not a casual fans. But questions, No, no, 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:46.919