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Speaker 1: your hosts, Brian brought Us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeoman, and
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Speaker 1: March thirty first, twenty twenty two. It's time for another
Speaker 1: episode of the Draft Show. Make sure you pay your rent.
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Speaker 1: are ready for the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. It
Speaker 1: will be Draft month in what twelve hours? Fourteen hours?
Speaker 1: David Hellman back in the studio. I am back from
Speaker 1: the NFL owners meetings. It's good to be here. Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman still out, but I am joined by my dear friends,
Speaker 1: Brian brought us and Jeff Kavanaugh. Guys, how are we doing?
Speaker 1: Doing great? Did you feel like you were told to
Speaker 1: truth when you're asking? Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones questions
Speaker 1: about the draft. I feel like I was told the
Speaker 1: truth in the sense that they that that is where
Speaker 1: all of their focus is right now. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much I trust the did you like particular positions
Speaker 1: they were talking about. I went, you know, I'm I'm dedicated.
Speaker 1: I know. I went back and listened to the show
Speaker 1: that y'all did without me, and that's the line Jerry
Speaker 1: had about tackle. I just was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I believe you, at least not like in the
Speaker 1: sense that it's like your number one priority. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd love to find a tackle. Of course,
Speaker 1: they was a weird time to figure out the when
Speaker 1: and where of it. Yeah, it's I know they would
Speaker 1: love to find a tackle, but imagining it as like
Speaker 1: a prior already with one of the big picks, at
Speaker 1: least one of the first two, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if Tyron Smith needs to be replaced now
Speaker 1: or in twenty twenty six. Tyron Smith could have been
Speaker 1: replaced last year and it turned out to be a
Speaker 1: great decision, but no, I think for the most part,
Speaker 1: I was I feel I feel like yes, because again,
Speaker 1: they made no bones about it, and I know people
Speaker 1: feel some type of way about it, but this, the
Speaker 1: draft is where all of their chips are this year,
Speaker 1: which is great news for us because it gives us
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. Um, I get the feeling
Speaker 1: you said it on the show Tuesday like they've got
Speaker 1: no problem putting a ton of pressure on this on
Speaker 1: this scouting department. They don't. And that's that, I think
Speaker 1: is what they are going to do. No. They They
Speaker 1: and the scouts realize that too. Scouts are okay with that,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, these guys have been together a
Speaker 1: long time. They know the drill, they know what's you know.
Speaker 1: They know they don't dabble in free agency like most
Speaker 1: teams do. They'll bottom fish some guys, they'll workout for him,
Speaker 1: but yeah, their draft is where they make their money, Okay,
Speaker 1: And I assume that comes with a degree of confidence, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, especially say what you will. The Cowboys have
Speaker 1: a fantastic track record overall since Will McClay took this
Speaker 1: thing over. How does how would that make you feel?
Speaker 1: Like if you look at this depth chart, I'd feel awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: be awesome because you have the chance to add these
Speaker 1: guys to the team. Not at all anxious because you're like,
Speaker 1: you want us to find playmakers at this many different spots.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, if you think that in the draft,
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, boys, gotta find four starters. I
Speaker 1: got bad news for you. That's not going to work out.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the position that they're in right now.
Speaker 1: They need a left guard and a wide receiver. It'll start. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: it sounds better when you put it that way. They
Speaker 1: could use a tight end. They could use a year
Speaker 1: from now, another linebacker, maybe another edge rusher. Oh, you're
Speaker 1: right as far as like guys that need to be
Speaker 1: able to start. I'll throw a swing tackle in there too. Again,
Speaker 1: because a you don't have one. And even if we
Speaker 1: don't know what ball we don't know, I mean you're hope.
Speaker 1: You're hope a guy you draft in a month we'll
Speaker 1: play have played as many snaps as Josh Ball. But
Speaker 1: but the hope is that you drafted Josh Ball where
Speaker 1: you did, and then he took the whole off season
Speaker 1: to maybe add ten to twelve pounds and some strength.
Speaker 1: If that, if that doesn't, if that doesn't materialize, if
Speaker 1: we don't see that, like in OTA's mini camps and
Speaker 1: then training camp. Then now you're starting to have some questions.
Speaker 1: And I'm that I'm not saying you have to believe him,
Speaker 1: but Mike McCarthy did bring that up on Tuesday kind
Speaker 1: of basically he was asked by us, like, you haven't
Speaker 1: done anything to your offensive line? Are you aware that
Speaker 1: you can? And he was like, well, what you guys
Speaker 1: don't see is like Josh Ball and Matt Farney, ok.
Speaker 1: Are here every day like they're putting in the work.
Speaker 1: Coaches aren't allowed to work with them for another few weeks,
Speaker 1: but you can tell when a guy's in the gym
Speaker 1: McCarthy's office like looks out on the gym. So, I
Speaker 1: don't know, does that give you any optimism? Well, no,
Speaker 1: it just to me. That's that's your hope. That was No,
Speaker 1: that's that's your hope. That's your hope right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, let's I tend to I'll say this though,
Speaker 1: about the scouts and the pressure, the fact that you
Speaker 1: seem like you have a coaching staff that you can
Speaker 1: work with. Now, we'll see what happens with Joe Philbin.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens because there's a disconnect there. I
Speaker 1: believe with what maybe the scouts want to do and
Speaker 1: what Joe Philbin wants to do. And then now it's
Speaker 1: at a position too where there's some primary need that
Speaker 1: guard spot. You know, who is going to win. Are
Speaker 1: they going to be able to come to a consensus
Speaker 1: on that potential guard you know, if that's the direction
Speaker 1: that they go at twenty four. Two things I want
Speaker 1: to get into in this first segment, one about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft picks. But before we do that, try to
Speaker 1: keep it topical. At the top of the show. Alabama
Speaker 1: did have its pro day Wednesday. That is noteworthy for
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. It turns out when you win
Speaker 1: the national title every other year, you've got a few
Speaker 1: good players, you do. Mike McCarthy, Will McClay, and Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn were also all there. Guys I want to talk about, Oh,
Speaker 1: you got a guy I want. I mean, he's not
Speaker 1: like a new guy. It's not like I'm turning over
Speaker 1: a rock here. But I want to talk about Jamison
Speaker 1: Williams because I feel like I don't want to say
Speaker 1: he's been under the radar. Everybody knows who he is,
Speaker 1: but I feel like you maybe subconsciously early I'll say
Speaker 1: I do. I feel like I subconsciously leave him out
Speaker 1: of the conversation because he just tore his ACL January
Speaker 1: eleventh National Title game, and you wonder how available he's
Speaker 1: gonna be. He's gonna start the season on pup, all
Speaker 1: this good type of stuff, and he didn't even do
Speaker 1: a pro day yesterday, but he's doing some hopping and
Speaker 1: skipping around. Some video comes out of him doing some
Speaker 1: hopping and some skipping, and he says he thinks he's
Speaker 1: on pace to be ready for training camp. And my
Speaker 1: heart got all a flutter because he didn't know what
Speaker 1: happened in Michael Gallup's surgery, that that that his is
Speaker 1: not on schedule and everyone else in the world. It's
Speaker 1: not the surgery. I can't tell you. And I know
Speaker 1: we've gotten a few questions about that. Mike just had
Speaker 1: a lot of swelling, swelling in the area of the injury.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes you get a clean tear. I'm not a doctor,
Speaker 1: but like the no two tears are the same. Mike's
Speaker 1: it was swelling for a month, yea for a month. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's it's not like Michael Gallup was like, I
Speaker 1: don't feel like doing that didn't get a nice pack.
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit more store get ten
Speaker 1: pound bags. You know, I trust a frozen piece. I
Speaker 1: trust the highly skilled doctors that do these things. Mike
Speaker 1: was Mike didn't put it off for no reason. He
Speaker 1: needed to let the swelling go down before getting all
Speaker 1: the way back on topic, just because I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: take a Jamison Williams branch Uh isn't wild that there
Speaker 1: are two players in this draft they're gonna go in
Speaker 1: the first round that had to transfer to play. Jameson
Speaker 1: Williams had to transfer because Garrett Wilson, Chris Olabe and
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigbo were going to be the three
Speaker 1: starting receivers in Ohio state. He wasn't gonna art and
Speaker 1: now he's top twenty five pick. Trayvon Walker might be
Speaker 1: a top five pick, I'm sorry. Jermaine Johnson, yeah, might
Speaker 1: be a top fifteen pick right, And he had to
Speaker 1: transfer because he wasn't gonna play at Georgia. So and
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the takeaway is. And the
Speaker 1: takeaway is that the I mean, college football has always
Speaker 1: been a super in balanced sport, like the rich always
Speaker 1: get richer. But but you're telling me that Jermaine Johnson
Speaker 1: isn't better than anyone who played a bunch of snaps
Speaker 1: on a Georgie dfense. My guy, you're the one that
Speaker 1: won't shut up about how the dude that's not draft
Speaker 1: eligible at Georgia is better than all the freaks that
Speaker 1: are going to be first. I'm just I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart, Nick Saban, and Ryan Day just have stables
Speaker 1: of freaks at every position. That's what happens when you're
Speaker 1: able to sustain that type of success. And honestly, and
Speaker 1: that's it's just self perpetuating because these guys say, maybe
Speaker 1: I won't be the guy as a freshman, but I'll
Speaker 1: take over in the bowl game like uh Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigba did, and then he's the guy going for It's
Speaker 1: like I'll be limited for a year before I go
Speaker 1: on to be a top twenty pick. Like that's fine.
Speaker 1: He wasn't going to play for Ohio State basically, but oh,
Speaker 1: but to your point, he should not be forgotten at
Speaker 1: twenty four. If Jameson Williams is available, which I think
Speaker 1: there's a decent chance he's not, that's you should have
Speaker 1: him in consideration. Real quick. I just want to I
Speaker 1: think I just think it's funny. He transferred to Alabama,
Speaker 1: which cranks out a top twenty receiver every year, like
Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson. Jermaine Johnson went to a lesser program than Georgia.
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams was like, let me go to the one
Speaker 1: that's arguably better and become a star. Yeah, go figure,
Speaker 1: Um Yeah, I mean does this Does this take him
Speaker 1: out of the Cowboys draft range? Because that breaks my heart?
Speaker 1: If so, If he's if he is ready for training camp,
Speaker 1: and really this is just a speed bump on his
Speaker 1: way toward being drafted in the top fifteen, that's a
Speaker 1: bummer for the Cowboys. I would say, Mike, Well, it's
Speaker 1: hard to get like, I literally think it's flip a coin. Well,
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams make twenty four, because I think what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen at receiver is you're almost picking style In the
Speaker 1: top five guys, they're just different. If you want the
Speaker 1: speed guy, then you're gonna take Jamison Williams. Yeah. If
Speaker 1: you want an X, maybe you're gonna take Drake London.
Speaker 1: If you want a route runner, maybe you're gonna take
Speaker 1: one of the Ohio State guys. It's like of the
Speaker 1: names like Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Treylan Burkes, Drake London,
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams. I bet you one of them is there.
Speaker 1: I have no idea who, but I bet you one
Speaker 1: of them is there. I kind of feel like with
Speaker 1: these receivers, if you're the Cowboys, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: walk the mine field of the Philadelphia Eagles, like the
Speaker 1: Eagles are in they've got those three picks. I think
Speaker 1: it one of those three picks you could you could
Speaker 1: clearly see one of these wide receivers going, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have Eagles will just draft the bad one. Though. That's well,
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's your hope, that's your hope. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, we all liked Ray here. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know I'm being I know is planted firmly. I know
Speaker 1: I know that, and I but you know, like I
Speaker 1: said to me that, I feel like that's the that's
Speaker 1: the minefield that you're gonna have to walk if you
Speaker 1: want one of these if if in fact, because then
Speaker 1: what happens is or maybe maybe you're in a situation
Speaker 1: too where Kansas City becomes aggressive. Green Bay becomes aggressive
Speaker 1: to try and go up if they kind of feel
Speaker 1: like if some if they see one of those wide receivers,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's the team that's going now. Green Bay
Speaker 1: has a history of not drafting wide receivers. We've talked
Speaker 1: about that a bunch. Kansas City isn't a very is
Speaker 1: a very aggressive team. So if they if they feel
Speaker 1: like that there's a player that they need, I could
Speaker 1: see them coming from the back of the draft to
Speaker 1: come get somebody. Paint me a clearer picture of Jamison Williams. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean he's he has that freakish Tyree Hill type
Speaker 1: of speed that forces everyone on the field to account
Speaker 1: for him. Um, he's a He's a vertical threat as
Speaker 1: well as a horror of a horizontal threat. I think
Speaker 1: he could do all of that gadget type of stuff,
Speaker 1: but clearly there's a deficiency in his game, or else
Speaker 1: we would be talking about him the way that we
Speaker 1: talk about a Jamar Chase or a guy like that
Speaker 1: that you know is going to be a top ten pick.
Speaker 1: So what is it that you ding him for? I
Speaker 1: think he is, like he's better than a quote speed receiver.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, he's better than I think he's better than
Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs as a prospect, and Ruggs was a first
Speaker 1: round pick. I think he's better than that because I
Speaker 1: think he's a capable route runner. But I just think
Speaker 1: there's levels to everything you're looking for at wide receiver.
Speaker 1: You want a ball that's going to be in the air.
Speaker 1: I want Drake London or Traylan Burkes. You want to
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen after this dude catches the ball.
Speaker 1: I don't think Jamison Williams is my number one, but
Speaker 1: he makes stuff happen after the catch, but it's still
Speaker 1: mostly predicated on speed. So ultimately, I think he is
Speaker 1: a stretch the field, not going to have a hundred
Speaker 1: catch season. But it's weird because he's he's more than
Speaker 1: just speed, but he's not as good and nuanced in
Speaker 1: terms of route running or power or above the rim
Speaker 1: as some of the other guys. I think it's his hands.
Speaker 1: I think it's his hands that have the question mark
Speaker 1: nobody catch them. Yeah. I mean, if you look at
Speaker 1: the in the National Championship game, at one play he
Speaker 1: did make, it was really nice. Was body catch kind
Speaker 1: of a play. But I think that's the thing you'll
Speaker 1: see him catch with his hands, You'll see him extend,
Speaker 1: and then there's other times you see him the ball
Speaker 1: gets on top of him. And that's what good receivers do.
Speaker 1: They're able to adjust. And I think that's where people
Speaker 1: would probably this guy puts the fear of God in
Speaker 1: defensive backs for the aid and you could tell, you
Speaker 1: could watch, you could see when guys try and cover him,
Speaker 1: and you do not want to give this guy free access.
Speaker 1: I mean, when he starts running, he just tears up
Speaker 1: cushion the way it is, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you're put in a position where he's gonna break.
Speaker 1: And now it's even worse that he's running forward and
Speaker 1: you're trying to pedal and turn. I think that's the
Speaker 1: thing that he that he does really, really well. Now
Speaker 1: we'll see if the knee injury takes some of that
Speaker 1: ability away from him. But if you said, is there
Speaker 1: one thing that you would say that people would ding
Speaker 1: him on. He is one hundred and seventy nine pounds
Speaker 1: and he is and his hands might be just good.
Speaker 1: That's kind of where I think it's going to be.
Speaker 1: Two other Alabama guys. I want to hit on Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn was there. I don't know if Kellen was there.
Speaker 1: Kellen's been hanging out in the Midwest. I feel like
Speaker 1: he was up at like Iowa State, just kind of
Speaker 1: how he gets down the Midwest him. Do you think
Speaker 1: he was looking at brock Purty maybe as a backup
Speaker 1: one of those fifth round picks or something like that.
Speaker 1: I like, is that knowing that Will Greer is here?
Speaker 1: They picked him up off of waivers last year, Like,
Speaker 1: I wonder how much of a priority that is for them?
Speaker 1: But yeah, sure, maybe not. I mean, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I was trying to figure out why Charlie Kohler,
Speaker 1: the tight end, Charlie would be good to go, and
Speaker 1: then yeah, I mean, why not take a look at
Speaker 1: brock Purty, Sure you're a quarterback? The two Federian mathis
Speaker 1: the Bama defensive tackle. And then another one that I
Speaker 1: feel like owes a little bit more attention than maybe
Speaker 1: we've given him, as Christian Harris, who seems like, especially
Speaker 1: when you look at the way the linebacker class has changed,
Speaker 1: Damon Clark having surgery, right, maybe you're knocking him down
Speaker 1: your board. Harris seems like he stands to benefit in
Speaker 1: the sense that maybe not a first round pick, but
Speaker 1: a guy that I could see going pretty quickly on Friday. Yes, no, No,
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you on that. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a guy. You know again, you're looking at a
Speaker 1: six one two and twenty six pound guy that is
Speaker 1: always around the football. I mean, you cannot watch an
Speaker 1: Alabama defense and not see number eight near the football.
Speaker 1: He's just super impressive. And the thing I think about
Speaker 1: him maybe being at two twenty six, when he tackles
Speaker 1: the ball carrier stops, there's no like dragging him down
Speaker 1: the field kind of for another four or five yards.
Speaker 1: I mean you literally see him when he hits that
Speaker 1: ball carrier stops. And I mean I think the thing
Speaker 1: about him at being that light too. His movement skill
Speaker 1: is really good too, because he plays a step ahead
Speaker 1: and it's like see that, see what's developing, and then go.
Speaker 1: And a lot of those Alabama defensive players are that way.
Speaker 1: They're so well trained to keep their eyes in the
Speaker 1: right spot and to run and go get the football.
Speaker 1: And I think he I think Christian Harris fits right
Speaker 1: into that, into that mode. I think, yeah, like I
Speaker 1: like Christian Harris. I think he's gonna be one of
Speaker 1: those guys. It's gonna fall directly between where you pick
Speaker 1: and where you pick where we say that about everybody's sure,
Speaker 1: somebody has to be there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: say it about a million guys, and then a bunch
Speaker 1: of them will be there, and then you're gonna pick
Speaker 1: sky More in the third round and life's gonna be great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just think, like I look at the linebacker class.
Speaker 1: I think for me anyway, it's Nakobe Deane, Devin Lloyd.
Speaker 1: I think my third guy is Quay Walker, another Georgia guy,
Speaker 1: and then it's Christian Harris. Yeah. And so could the
Speaker 1: fourth off the ball linebacker in a draft make it
Speaker 1: to your second round pick? Yeah? Sure, And somebody could
Speaker 1: pick somebody else that I haven't named in front of him,
Speaker 1: whether it's Chad Muma or leo' chanal or whatever. Tindale
Speaker 1: is getting a lot of play, you know, he's getting
Speaker 1: a lot of people are talking about him as possibly
Speaker 1: being in that mix. When you're mentioning that raft as
Speaker 1: many Georgia defends there there, I mean, because I mean
Speaker 1: I was falling along with is Pete Presco I guess
Speaker 1: from you know, Pete's got a pretty good eye for
Speaker 1: this stuff. He does a lot of the same stuff
Speaker 1: when he really studies his stuff, and you know, he
Speaker 1: was he was breaking down some tape and a lot
Speaker 1: of But I'm also asking some people about you talked
Speaker 1: about Walker Tindale Chanel. Is that Chanal that the channel?
Speaker 1: How do you Scott Kyle's not here to be the
Speaker 1: pronunciation now the Wisconsin guy? Yeah, you know, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that that to me is all those guys.
Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty good list of linebackers too,
Speaker 1: you know, with Assamura too from you know, with with
Speaker 1: he's he's been a boomer sooner guy. Yeah, we're gonna talk.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about him in the next segment.
Speaker 1: But although Stephen Jones, you talk about whether or not
Speaker 1: I'm being lied to. Stephen Jones made my eyebrows kind
Speaker 1: of perk up. I mean, great, great stuff that he
Speaker 1: said about Jabril Cox in the sense that they think
Speaker 1: he can step up and Phil Kean O'Neil's role, Bill
Speaker 1: co Truthers unite. He also said he also basically was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Jaron curses a linebacker, which is true, but
Speaker 1: was funny to hear him say that, And so you
Speaker 1: kind of start doing mental math where you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: say goodbye to Na Kobe Dean, say goodbye to like
Speaker 1: a top sixty sort of linebacker. I just I wonder
Speaker 1: if it's a priority for them when when you throw
Speaker 1: j Ron Curse into that mix, now you're really talking
Speaker 1: about four guys that can play that position. Well, the
Speaker 1: thing that might get Na Kobe Dean as he's five
Speaker 1: eleven four, you've talked about that, that's that's where that's
Speaker 1: where that might end for him. I mean, now he's
Speaker 1: not for every team, but but I don't know how
Speaker 1: you can't turn on the tape and see he should
Speaker 1: be on my team. You know that that part of it.
Speaker 1: You know, if you talk to people after the combine
Speaker 1: to a man, they were saying the best interview they
Speaker 1: had was Nakobe Dean. The best interview they had would
Speaker 1: just talking to him, and that the kid gets it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a mechanical engineering major. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of really super super things about him that
Speaker 1: people were really you know, kind of singing his praises.
Speaker 1: This is one of those things where I differ from
Speaker 1: y'all in the sense, like Nakobe Dean might be. He's
Speaker 1: probably my favorite defender that I've seen in this class,
Speaker 1: just in terms of enjoying watching him play football. But
Speaker 1: I think Sauce Gardner would be mine if I'm well,
Speaker 1: I right. I mean, he won't be there anyway, But
Speaker 1: the irony is like, I just find myself drifting away
Speaker 1: from Nakobe Dean, not because I don't like him as
Speaker 1: a player. I just don't think the Cowboys will draft
Speaker 1: him if they don't see the knee, and we suspect
Speaker 1: that they maybe not like his they maybe don't like
Speaker 1: his size. It's just like, well, sorry, go be a
Speaker 1: badass for for Arizona. The first night of the draft.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking when he gets picked. There's not
Speaker 1: gonna be a negative thing said about him. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna talk about man, that that's smart foot and
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna go to a really good team. It's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be somebody at the back, and we always
Speaker 1: say that, but in this case it probably will. Somebody
Speaker 1: will say, well, man, this guy might be five to eleven,
Speaker 1: but he makes every damn tackle. I assume y'all aren't
Speaker 1: spending a ton of time on running backs I've looked
Speaker 1: at a few. Have you. What do you have opinions
Speaker 1: on Brian Robinson? Just wrapping up my Bama theme here,
Speaker 1: I agree with whatever Brian says. There we go, Brian,
Speaker 1: you know I think that to me, yeah, there's there's
Speaker 1: clearly not. I mean the whole kid from Iowa State's
Speaker 1: my favorite. One Spiller from Texas A and M and
Speaker 1: then Walker, other kinds of guys. But Robinson, Now, you
Speaker 1: watched him in those playoff games and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what, man, he's a tough son
Speaker 1: of a gun. He mean he I think he you know,
Speaker 1: people say, well that Alabama offensive line. No, this guy
Speaker 1: can create some things running the football. He can make
Speaker 1: some people miss, you know. He has a feel for
Speaker 1: how to like to make that cut to get back
Speaker 1: stays and bounce runs over people and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of his. I just like the other
Speaker 1: ones I mentioned better Haul, Spiller and Walker. I think
Speaker 1: that's what makes him intriguing to me, is like the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys probably shouldn't be looking at running backs until Saturday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he fits in that range, does he not? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Where would you put him? I would say to me.
Speaker 1: He was in the fourth round is where I had him.
Speaker 1: I just I look at him and I don't remember
Speaker 1: many plays where he like made my eyebrows go up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's like that guy. That's just it's always at
Speaker 1: least a three yard game. No, you know, every time
Speaker 1: getting stopped in the backfield, he's not. He's fallen forward.
Speaker 1: Good player, all right. Uh yeah. You guys ask us
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Speaker 1: I tease this in the first segment. I didn't want
Speaker 1: you to. I didn't want you to spoil because I
Speaker 1: want our listeners to be able to hear their questions
Speaker 1: right out on the air. So Aaron, Aaron wants to
Speaker 1: know about Brian Asimoa, the OU linebacker, senior Bowl guy.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing him down there. I don't know a
Speaker 1: ton else about him. I would love for y'all to
Speaker 1: to fix that, please. He's fun. He is U the
Speaker 1: anti Leo Chanal. Like Leo Chanal at Wisconsin is six
Speaker 1: two two sixty of charging Bowl. Asamoa is what is
Speaker 1: the over six foot but not quite six one two
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Yea six ft two twenty six and dude runs.
Speaker 1: That's what he does. He is your weak side linebacker
Speaker 1: that you'd tell the defensive line, hey, nobody touches Assamoa.
Speaker 1: He gets to run and chase the ball and tackle
Speaker 1: everybody because he's one of those linebackers that can absolutely fly.
Speaker 1: He's just a really good athlete, which means that he
Speaker 1: can do things in coverage that some of these bigger
Speaker 1: plot of your guys can't do. So Assomo I think
Speaker 1: is probably a second or third round pick, and he
Speaker 1: could probably be a starting weak side linebacker as a rookie.
Speaker 1: I said this. He looks short on tape, but he's
Speaker 1: but he's anything but that. I mean, this guy plays
Speaker 1: really really hard. And I said there were several times
Speaker 1: where he was just right in the quarterback's face after
Speaker 1: he took the snap. I mean he was just like
Speaker 1: that quick. And so he's got a feel for how
Speaker 1: to find how to get to the ball, and he's
Speaker 1: got a knack for creating turnover. So it just watching
Speaker 1: the Baylor game, and I mean he knocked the ball loose,
Speaker 1: and I mean it with like a really good physical tackle.
Speaker 1: And so here's see you guys six foot two, twenty
Speaker 1: six year thinking, Oh, he's gonna get bounced and things
Speaker 1: like that. No, this guy takes the fight to you.
Speaker 1: And I didn't see him get knocked back at all.
Speaker 1: And I think Jeff hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 1: Because of how athletic is, you can use him in coverage,
Speaker 1: and you can use him really wide too. You can
Speaker 1: have him not just drop and play the hook or
Speaker 1: something like that. I think he can actually cover. I
Speaker 1: think he can actually run with people. So I think
Speaker 1: that's a real plus to him as well. If he
Speaker 1: can fly, cover and tackle. I mean that's all the
Speaker 1: stuff that a linebackers really needs supposed to be good.
Speaker 1: At I mean, where where do you how highly do
Speaker 1: you have this guy? Like Jeff's right, second round you're
Speaker 1: just going off your description and you're describing a top
Speaker 1: fifty pick. No, he's a second round player. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was looking through my notes just as you were
Speaker 1: talking there. I mentioned it here. There were there were
Speaker 1: several times these games I was watching where he had
Speaker 1: stops to keep the ball here from getting a first down.
Speaker 1: So that that tells you something that like you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you see these guys get you know, drug for
Speaker 1: another uh, you know, for the first down, yardage and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. This guy didn't do that, So I
Speaker 1: mean I have him in the second round. Keeping with
Speaker 1: the linebacker theme, real quick, Derek wants to know about
Speaker 1: our guy Daman Clark. Unfortunately, it came out that he
Speaker 1: needs neck fusion surgery or something like that. Probably won't
Speaker 1: get drafted at all. You don't think that's that's the
Speaker 1: question is how far do you knock him down there?
Speaker 1: You know, you don't think you'll get drafted at all,
Speaker 1: even the report, And I mean, of course we don't
Speaker 1: know that he could specifics of the medical six or
Speaker 1: seventh round. Then you know, when you start to talk
Speaker 1: about that is like, what at what point would you
Speaker 1: start talking about neck fusion on your board? I mean
Speaker 1: I have I know, on my board, I have him
Speaker 1: as a second round grade. I also have him in red. No,
Speaker 1: when you know there's there's a couple of players him
Speaker 1: in our Michigan defensive end, I have red highlights on him.
Speaker 1: No wing that okay, this is where I graded him.
Speaker 1: But the medicals Na David A Jabo. Yeah I was
Speaker 1: for a second, I was like, what's wrong with a?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, now you're sorrying about that? But the thing
Speaker 1: I haven't been read and I know and he could
Speaker 1: not he might not go drafted because of until people
Speaker 1: can really get handle on that surgery. I'm changing the
Speaker 1: color of the text on some of my players now
Speaker 1: because that's a good idea by Brian. That's because without Jabo,
Speaker 1: I literally just moved him to where I would take him. No,
Speaker 1: I just did do that with Clark. No, because I
Speaker 1: had already disrespected Clark with where I ranked him initially. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't like Clark, I remember that. Yeah, that's you know,
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. I want to give the
Speaker 1: guys their due where they where they should be taken.
Speaker 1: I put him in red because then we get started
Speaker 1: on the draft. Well, who's your best player available? Well
Speaker 1: it's a clark. No, it's not because and you know
Speaker 1: and you know now because he's not because the medical
Speaker 1: stuff's going to knock him out. That's really tough to hear.
Speaker 1: The report the reporter is that he's expected to make
Speaker 1: a full recovery. Hope that he does. Good player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of players too. The wide receiver Clemson
Speaker 1: might be justin Ross. Ross might be I mean, he
Speaker 1: came back, but people probably maybe they're looking at his
Speaker 1: situation too. There's a couple of guys in this draft
Speaker 1: that that have those medical conditions. That's that's the that's
Speaker 1: the danger that we run into a media scouts is
Speaker 1: we put guys on board and into the combine. We
Speaker 1: didn't know that they've got a narrow spine canal or
Speaker 1: something like that that's keeping him from drafting him. We're
Speaker 1: working with like twenty eight percent of the picture here.
Speaker 1: It feels like there's no question where do y'all have
Speaker 1: Where y'all have David Bell? Where is he on your board?
Speaker 1: The perdue receiver? Day three, like how far. This is
Speaker 1: one of the things that we're talking about before the show,
Speaker 1: not into a microphone where I think old school scouts
Speaker 1: might hate me sometimes, where I would say, David on tape,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, maybe third round, that's where I put
Speaker 1: him fourth. And then when I confirm that he's a
Speaker 1: four six five four seven guy that's also small, I
Speaker 1: would be like, you know, when our pick comes up,
Speaker 1: and if we're gonna talk about receivers, I'm probably just
Speaker 1: gonna have some other guys in front of him, so
Speaker 1: I probably don't worry about David Bell, which that's why
Speaker 1: I asked, because when you brought up our Darius Washington,
Speaker 1: I saw David Bell's times from Purdue Pro Day yesterday
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I can imagine we're gonna
Speaker 1: be there on Saturday and we're just gonna keep saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: David Bell is still hanging around. I think on date
Speaker 1: I think on day three, you can like you can
Speaker 1: start having your fights between people where it's like, guys,
Speaker 1: I don't care the tape, look at the tape like
Speaker 1: he is draftable, and then you'll have another guy who's like, hey,
Speaker 1: but this guy with terrible tape is an incredible athlete,
Speaker 1: and it's like, all right, let's battle it out. So
Speaker 1: I bet David Bell is a fourth or fifth round pick.
Speaker 1: Somewhat related question from Mark I just thinking. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know he's not fast when it comes to the
Speaker 1: time time speed. I don't think it did those guys
Speaker 1: and he favored or run in those conditions out outside
Speaker 1: it per Due loft is out random didn't He ran
Speaker 1: a four seven one out four seven, But he didn't
Speaker 1: do a whole lot different in inside of what I'm
Speaker 1: saying though, But if you want to give yourself a
Speaker 1: chance to maybe improve, yeah, you didn't do yourself any
Speaker 1: favors going outside and running in thirty degree weather. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I still this is the old Krusty and me.
Speaker 1: But I'll always give a guy credit for being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: line it up, I'll do it. I don't like the
Speaker 1: guy that that that sits on it. It's not true
Speaker 1: that you'll give him credit for it. Why because we're
Speaker 1: doing a show right now where he's not getting credit
Speaker 1: for it. No, but I care. I care way more
Speaker 1: about what he did at the at the combine than
Speaker 1: I do about Perdue. Pro day. We're all killing Hamilton
Speaker 1: right now because he went out and ran four seven.
Speaker 1: I heard fighting Hamilton didn't run. No, there's nobody's saying
Speaker 1: anything about Hamilton's I mean he doesn't think the tape's great,
Speaker 1: and that's okay. I mean I respect that. But if
Speaker 1: he doesn't run, if he doesn't run, it notre dame.
Speaker 1: You know, now you're you're now you're in a situation
Speaker 1: where now he has ammunitions. Say watch, I told you
Speaker 1: the guy played at four seven. I told you that.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the argument that people will use. I
Speaker 1: just think with Jaron Curse back in the building, he's
Speaker 1: sort of redundant for this team. Um sure, I mean
Speaker 1: he and he's right, and that's what he said. He says,
Speaker 1: if you know, if you want to talk about a
Speaker 1: similar player, I mean, if far as what you do
Speaker 1: with this football team, yes, this guy plays down tackles
Speaker 1: really well. You know, I think he probably covers a
Speaker 1: little bit better. This this sort of ties into what
Speaker 1: we're talking about, is this question from Mark. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know, can y'all elaborate? Basically, his question was like,
Speaker 1: if you watch a guy on tape, he like his hands,
Speaker 1: you feel good about his speed, he's talking about receiver specifically,
Speaker 1: but it can be anybody guy's route tree. You finish
Speaker 1: it up and you say, okay, he's a second round pick.
Speaker 1: Like what what are the key delineation lines that you
Speaker 1: look for when you're like, this is a first round guy,
Speaker 1: this is second round guy. Because you like a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff about guys that you put in the second
Speaker 1: and third round, but what ultimately stops you from giving
Speaker 1: them that best grade possible? I think it's just I
Speaker 1: cheat even further because to me, it's just a way
Speaker 1: to tier different players, where if I say a guy
Speaker 1: as a first round grade, it means that if I
Speaker 1: had a top ten pick, I'm okay picking him. If
Speaker 1: I got a guy who's got a one two cheater
Speaker 1: grade or a second round grade, and I get into
Speaker 1: the mid twenties, okay, then I can pick from those guys.
Speaker 1: I guess it's just my way of separating tiers. But
Speaker 1: ultimately you're also separating If you're gonna use a first
Speaker 1: round pick, then you are projecting. Okay, I think this
Speaker 1: guy's an NFL starter from day one, and not a
Speaker 1: bad one, maybe a good one immediately. And if you
Speaker 1: take a second round pick, then I think in most
Speaker 1: cases you're saying, I've graded this guy as a second
Speaker 1: rounder because I think he can be an NFL star,
Speaker 1: or for me, that develops into a good one. Now
Speaker 1: I go to the third round, I think that guy's
Speaker 1: going to contribute for my football team as a rookie
Speaker 1: and develop into a starter potentially. And then you get
Speaker 1: to four or five, six, seven, where you're throwing darts
Speaker 1: at well, I like this about him, and we'll see.
Speaker 1: So I think you kind of separated that way. Instant
Speaker 1: starter that I expect to be good. Second round, instant
Speaker 1: starter that I hope is good, and I expect to
Speaker 1: be good later. Third round hopefully starts in year two
Speaker 1: or three. It's traits. It's traits with me, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's you. It's your deficiencies. You know, if you're not
Speaker 1: quick enough, if you're not fast enough, if you your
Speaker 1: hands aren't good enough, if you are not a good
Speaker 1: route runner. You know, it's the it's the things I
Speaker 1: start off. If if if you, if I could check
Speaker 1: off boxes, he does this, this, this, this, and this,
Speaker 1: I can give you a really really good grade if
Speaker 1: you're if you're deficient, and say three of the five things.
Speaker 1: I can't give you a good grade because there's there's
Speaker 1: position specifics that you look for to play the position. Now,
Speaker 1: there's some guys that are that take that. You know,
Speaker 1: like for example, there's there's you know, I you know,
Speaker 1: uh Marcus Jones, my guy from Houston, right, the cornerback
Speaker 1: that's that's playing here here are six foot tall. You'd
Speaker 1: have a one on him bingo. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: because you look at you look at him and you're saying, okay,
Speaker 1: he's five eight, but this is what keeps him from
Speaker 1: being this level to me because I've seen this, this, this,
Speaker 1: and this play in this league. Now it's not always
Speaker 1: I mean there's guys that defy that, but there's also
Speaker 1: guys that you say, no, this is the reason why.
Speaker 1: And there's guys that say, you know what, I tried
Speaker 1: to put him in that round and draft him, and
Speaker 1: I and I took I took a blind eye to
Speaker 1: the deficiencies just because I thought maybe a gut and
Speaker 1: then it busts on you. So I look at I
Speaker 1: look at traits, and I look at those positions specifics.
Speaker 1: But again, there's sometimes there's that rare, rare, rare, rare
Speaker 1: guy that defies all that it ends up being a
Speaker 1: great player. It's the time of year where people are
Speaker 1: always trying to problem solve, and I appreciate that. I've
Speaker 1: seen this brought up a few times. I would love
Speaker 1: y'all's take on it. It's not necessarily related to this
Speaker 1: draft class, but people are talking about the idea of
Speaker 1: if all else fails, ask Zack Martin to play left
Speaker 1: guard and move Connor McGovern into that right guard spot.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? My gut reaction is
Speaker 1: to dismiss it, because why would you move the best
Speaker 1: guard in football out of his position? But I'd be
Speaker 1: curious for your take on it. I think you need
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to me that that's not
Speaker 1: a terrible question. And I think the reason I know
Speaker 1: why people are bringing this up it's because McGovern played
Speaker 1: right guard in Tampa in the season opener while Zach
Speaker 1: had covid and played a lot better than he did
Speaker 1: at left guard. I understand the logic. I think that
Speaker 1: I think, to me, you should be able to ask
Speaker 1: any type of question like that when you watched how
Speaker 1: things went the last ten games for this football team
Speaker 1: at the second half of the year, and you know,
Speaker 1: and again there were some games where there were blowouts
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I get it. But when you
Speaker 1: look at your inability to run the football and their
Speaker 1: inability to protect at times and all that that went in,
Speaker 1: I think I think all all situations, all questions are open.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that would I would say, well, that's a
Speaker 1: terrible idea. No. I mean, it's about putting your best
Speaker 1: five there. It's always been about the best five in
Speaker 1: my opinion, you think that would make a significant difference.
Speaker 1: I think it would probably help. I think it would
Speaker 1: help McGovern. But the problem I think with McGovern is
Speaker 1: that he's got a coach that's not too happy with him.
Speaker 1: That he's got a coach that doesn't see what you
Speaker 1: and I and everybody out there and Jeff we're talking about.
Speaker 1: But maybe maybe trying it right. See, the thing that
Speaker 1: I would have done. The thing I would have done
Speaker 1: is I would have tried to play law Collins at
Speaker 1: guard and then put Since you love steal so much,
Speaker 1: go ahead and put Collins at guard and see how
Speaker 1: that works. And if that didn't work, if that didn't
Speaker 1: get better, then you can move on from Lyle Collins.
Speaker 1: But we will never know that if could they have,
Speaker 1: because they could have, what if it would have worked,
Speaker 1: then maybe you don't get rid of Layle Collins, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's that to me is I want to exhaust
Speaker 1: all possibilities, and if one of them is making moving
Speaker 1: Zach Martin over to left guard. Now, people will say,
Speaker 1: you know most teams are right handed running the football
Speaker 1: that you want, you know, you want, you need, you
Speaker 1: need him playing next to Steal because Steal is not
Speaker 1: that strong. But maybe McGovern is that guy. Maybe McGovern
Speaker 1: is strong enough to hold up over there. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think if that makes your best five, it's not a
Speaker 1: dumb question at all. It just seems a little jarring
Speaker 1: when you first hear it. That's what you're talking about
Speaker 1: the right guard who's been a right guard his whole
Speaker 1: career in scoring everyone and then you go right. But
Speaker 1: I've also seen that right guard play right tackle and
Speaker 1: he was great. And that right guard I've seen play
Speaker 1: left tackle and he was great. So if that right
Speaker 1: guard could step over to left guard and not have
Speaker 1: a drop off, the other guy, who if we had
Speaker 1: to play today would be starting, is a bad left guard,
Speaker 1: and he might be an okay right guard. If that
Speaker 1: makes your best five, it makes sense. It just sounds weird,
Speaker 1: and it's also it doesn't feel fair to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're the one rock on this whole thing. You're being
Speaker 1: punished for this. But yeah, no, I mean whoever said
Speaker 1: it was fair trying to win? No jarring? Then moving
Speaker 1: all pro LEI all in the left tackle from left guard,
Speaker 1: no jarring than that, the badasses can do whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying to me. You've got to figure out.
Speaker 1: You've got to figure out what's going on at that
Speaker 1: left guard spot. I've got to figure that out. I
Speaker 1: think the answer like there. I mean, Jerry y'all talked
Speaker 1: about it. Jerry said it himself like cumhell or high water.
Speaker 1: They're gonna find a they're going to address that, and
Speaker 1: so I think that will prevent them from having to
Speaker 1: do it. But I don't think it's a bad question. No,
Speaker 1: it's not at all. U last one real quick. We're
Speaker 1: running out of time. It's okay, I just a fun,
Speaker 1: little fun little would you rather? We're running out of
Speaker 1: time in my imaginary clock of what the segment should be,
Speaker 1: not anything else. I just like to watch myself on
Speaker 1: the screen. Yeah, and freaked me out. You look like
Speaker 1: my dog. Um. Would you rather come out of the
Speaker 1: big you know, the big picks of this drafts annoying.
Speaker 1: It's not necessary coming from you. When you're gone, he
Speaker 1: becomes annoying. Your dogs never shut up. Would you rather
Speaker 1: come out of this draft with Arkansas receiver Trailing Burks
Speaker 1: and Memphis center Dylan Parham, okay Parham, Parham sorry? Or
Speaker 1: or Iowa center Tyler Linderbaum and Jalen Tulbert the South
Speaker 1: Alabama guy receiver. I would yeah, yeah, I thought you
Speaker 1: would like that one. I thought you would like that one.
Speaker 1: I like Burks considerably more than Tilbert, and I obviously
Speaker 1: like Linderbaumb considerably more than Parum. That's what makes this fun.
Speaker 1: I will take option B. Give me a first round
Speaker 1: graded player and a second round graded player, because that
Speaker 1: first one is more of a one two and a
Speaker 1: two three. So I'm gonna go on grades. Give me
Speaker 1: Linderbaum and Jalen Tilbert. If you gave me Burks and
Speaker 1: Fortner from Kentucky. That wasn't the question allowed to just
Speaker 1: start swap this is we didn't say your own way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I would make one would be my
Speaker 1: selection all day. Okay, if but with with the way
Speaker 1: it is currently configured, give me the Iowa Center and
Speaker 1: that kid from a Jalen Tilbert Tilbert. Yeah, so y'all,
Speaker 1: but y'all agree on that you'd rather have the I'll disagree.
Speaker 1: If you just want us to fight, no, I don't
Speaker 1: do it. I don't care. But we'd like that. It's
Speaker 1: as easy as just saying linderbaumb is your highest graded
Speaker 1: player of all of those four, right, Yeah, that'd be
Speaker 1: the best possible player. Yeah. I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. I feel like we were
Speaker 1: we were big on linder bomb for the very beginning,
Speaker 1: and then it got boring and we dropped off, and
Speaker 1: now I'm coming back around, like, you know, that would
Speaker 1: be pretty fun. I wouldn't. I wouldn't dislike that one bit.
Speaker 1: The draft stuff is funny because, like you mentioned, Fedarian
Speaker 1: mathis at Alabama. Yeah, and after the Senior Bowl, I
Speaker 1: feel like we had this group of defensive tackles that
Speaker 1: everyone was talking about and they were all going to
Speaker 1: be second round picks. And then now the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: is far enough away that it's like, wait, a minute.
Speaker 1: That was just like a one technique who had a
Speaker 1: nice week. Yeah, that's not overreact guys, and it all
Speaker 1: just kind of moves around. Watch Watch Davis, Travis Jones.
Speaker 1: Why all these defensive tackles, maybe Logan Hall watch them
Speaker 1: all go in the first round, every one of those guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't rule anything out right, just again,
Speaker 1: like because of the way that this whole thing is
Speaker 1: that it would not surprise me. All Right, one more
Speaker 1: break and then um, yeah we've got you know, we
Speaker 1: got like fifteen more minutes of stuff. Don't worry about it.
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Speaker 1: it up, Cowboys Taco Fest. I thought that was during
Speaker 1: the draft. That was kind of funny. It's a I
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Speaker 1: One more segment here with Brian and Jeff. I wanted
Speaker 1: to I wanted to try to mix it up. Um,
Speaker 1: I think you guys can agree, there's only so much
Speaker 1: you can say about words. Well, no, you can talk forever.
Speaker 1: The English language has like two million words or whatever.
Speaker 1: Most of them don't makes sense. I mean just there's
Speaker 1: only there's just only so much you can do about
Speaker 1: pick twenty four and pick fifty six and receiver O
Speaker 1: lineman like all that. I mean, we get it right.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to try to have a conversation about
Speaker 1: what Day three is going to look like for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Obviously that's going to hinge on what happens with pick
Speaker 1: twenty four, fifty six, and eighty eight. But they're gonna
Speaker 1: make the vast majority of their picks on Saturday. Six
Speaker 1: of the nine I've got them written down here. They
Speaker 1: pick one twenty ninth, and then starting in the fifth round,
Speaker 1: they're gonna pick five times in about forty picks one
Speaker 1: fifty five, one sixty seven, one seventy six, one seventy eight,
Speaker 1: and one ninety three. Actually I misspoke. We have no
Speaker 1: idea if they will pick that many times. Because you
Speaker 1: could do a lot of stuff with it, which I
Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to have a conversation knowing that
Speaker 1: it's borderline impossible to answer, just about what you can
Speaker 1: accomplish with those picks and what you would like to accomplish,
Speaker 1: and you can take that in any direction you want to,
Speaker 1: if you want to try to trade it for a
Speaker 1: veteran or move up in another round. You just you
Speaker 1: got a lot of resources to play with on Saturday,
Speaker 1: and I'd love to kind of get your feel for
Speaker 1: how you'd like to spend them. The Cowboys still at
Speaker 1: this point have about fifteen million dollars to play with.
Speaker 1: Now you'll need to account for the first three round
Speaker 1: picks first year cap hits, but so they've got ten
Speaker 1: million dollars to play with or whatever. I'm keep in mind.
Speaker 1: They will get a lot of that money. They will
Speaker 1: get in June with the savings from the Lyle Collins cut.
Speaker 1: Like they don't have that right now, Okay, they'll get it.
Speaker 1: I would love for them to flip one of those
Speaker 1: picks for a left guard. Don't have that left guard's
Speaker 1: name in front of me, but what I'm looking for
Speaker 1: is a Robert Quinn situation. I'm looking for an NFL
Speaker 1: team that has an aging, solid starting left guard that
Speaker 1: isn't very good, that's probably and he's in the last
Speaker 1: year of his deal, and said team is hoping that
Speaker 1: a year from now they can pick Bryce Young or c. J. Stroud,
Speaker 1: and so a veteran guard on the last year of
Speaker 1: his deal means nothing to them. Here have a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick. I'm gonna flip that for my starting left
Speaker 1: guard because I do love having that many picks, because
Speaker 1: now you're giving yourself a reasonable chance to find a
Speaker 1: future starter on day three because you get five six
Speaker 1: swings at it. I think they have six picks on
Speaker 1: day three. And again, y'all we mentioned this on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: The NFL used this as a much larger talent pool
Speaker 1: than usual. Yeah, I'd like to use five of those picks,
Speaker 1: and I would like to flip one of them to
Speaker 1: a tanking team for their left guard. I just had
Speaker 1: to go look at who are the tanking teams and
Speaker 1: is there a player that fits that bill. I'm looking
Speaker 1: for the Robert Quinn of left guards. That's the tough
Speaker 1: thing about this situation is I think that's a wonderful
Speaker 1: idea it's hard to know thirty two rosters, and in addition,
Speaker 1: who on those rosters has an expiring contract that the
Speaker 1: team would rather not pay. It's a very tedious thing
Speaker 1: to go look up. So Bobby Belt, if you're listening,
Speaker 1: you enjoy tedious work. He'll be listening. He'll be walking
Speaker 1: around later tonight and he'll text you about that. Sure.
Speaker 1: I kind of there's a kind of a few spots.
Speaker 1: I was just looking at my board to kind of
Speaker 1: get an idea of your question. Kicker butter well, well, kicker, kicker,
Speaker 1: that'd be fine. I was thinking of Chris Paul, who
Speaker 1: was the Atulsa, who was a tackle that would could
Speaker 1: play guard. I was thinking of Zach tom from Wake
Speaker 1: fours to places tackle that people or to me, places
Speaker 1: guard that people projecting as a center. I was seeing
Speaker 1: about ferguson the tight end from Wisconsin as a possibility
Speaker 1: of a guy. Teryl Bernard is another guy. We were
Speaker 1: talking about linebackers from Baylor, and I was, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny there's there's these undersized linebackers, but man, this
Speaker 1: guy has got something to his game. Because you know,
Speaker 1: you talk about coverage, it's it's it's more like I say,
Speaker 1: these guys, these guys are really good athletes, but a
Speaker 1: little bit undersize it's more than just drop and play
Speaker 1: the hook. And you know, this guy, Bernard has got
Speaker 1: the ability to kind of just to run with guys,
Speaker 1: to take guys. He blitzes. I mean, he carries routes,
Speaker 1: He makes tackles in space. I mean I always saw
Speaker 1: there was a couple of times and I was watching
Speaker 1: the Texas Iowa state games where he got tied up
Speaker 1: a little bit, But most of his game is like
Speaker 1: on the move. So I kind of feel like though
Speaker 1: with all those with the fourth round picks, the fifth
Speaker 1: round picks, those are the kinds of names that I'm
Speaker 1: looking at right now for guys that maybe like that.
Speaker 1: You know, you might have a little bit like say,
Speaker 1: Bernard played at Baylor and he is only six one
Speaker 1: and he is only two hundred and twenty four pounds,
Speaker 1: But it might be somebody that dan Quinn wants to
Speaker 1: bring in here because of the burst, the range and
Speaker 1: all those kinds of things. So do you you just
Speaker 1: want to do you want to use all those picks?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they're gonna try. I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: because what's gonna happen. And I think Jeff's right. I
Speaker 1: think Jeff's right. I was talking well, I talked to
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and I brought it up last night with Jeff
Speaker 1: and Dane and I chase on at in Jacksonville, our
Speaker 1: former first round target. You can go get him if
Speaker 1: you want, if you're interested in going to get how
Speaker 1: you know, I know we all make a sharp pay face,
Speaker 1: We get all squashed up, you know, all that because
Speaker 1: we don't want the player. But would you take one
Speaker 1: of those picks, if you know, because Jacksonville's listening, you
Speaker 1: know they're listening. I don't think they're gonna hold you
Speaker 1: up on any but if you're if you really thought
Speaker 1: that enough of a guy, you know, would you say, well,
Speaker 1: dan Quinn can do something with him. You know? I
Speaker 1: know Jeff was. He didn't have a name for a
Speaker 1: guard and I really don't either right now. But I
Speaker 1: have a feeling though there's somebody out there the pro
Speaker 1: personnel department's looking at. It's a second or third year guy,
Speaker 1: and a team's got a little bit of a surplus,
Speaker 1: and they would take one of those fifth round picks
Speaker 1: and move on from that. My thought is A Dan
Speaker 1: wasn't here when they scouted Chason. Yeah, and B I
Speaker 1: could find that out because I know enough people in Atlanta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could tell me what they thought about him, and
Speaker 1: if they thought that he was not a very good player,
Speaker 1: then that would probably eliminate Dan from one. I just
Speaker 1: we catch a lot of grief about Calevan Chason, and
Speaker 1: the thing I always go back to is I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody really loved him that much. Again, it was
Speaker 1: just like, this is what they need and this is
Speaker 1: what they're going to do because there's only so many
Speaker 1: guys in a draft class that God saved you from
Speaker 1: potentially drafting. They really did. Yeah, I think for most people,
Speaker 1: well I don't I can't speak for NFL teams, but
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people, you saw Calevon
Speaker 1: Chason and you were like, Okay, a toolsy pass rushing prospect, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is like all right, second round grade. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then ceedee lamb firm first round grade. So it was
Speaker 1: just it's a whole different conversation if CD is there
Speaker 1: or not to what are we to chase Chase on Diggs.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a possibility we kept hearing diggs
Speaker 1: name two and the end up getting Diggs at sixteen.
Speaker 1: Said I love the I love the draft because if
Speaker 1: you remember, in that pre draft process, when Diggs's name
Speaker 1: started to come up, it was like, not at seventeen, No,
Speaker 1: not at seventeen, anybody anything but that second round? Fine,
Speaker 1: but not in the front. And now when you only
Speaker 1: have like six guys that you're like, hey, it's seventeen,
Speaker 1: I'll take one of them, sure, right, what if they're
Speaker 1: all gone by eight? I do so when I when
Speaker 1: I proposed this idea to myself, I didn't propose it
Speaker 1: to Yeah. When I when I thought up this idea,
Speaker 1: I just I went back. I was looking at the
Speaker 1: fifth round, and you can you can find guys like
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right. You can absolutely find Wyatt
Speaker 1: Teller was a fifth round pick. Sure, Dre Greenlaw, who's
Speaker 1: a very useful player for the forty nine ers, was
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick. Tyler Conklin, the Vikings tight end um,
Speaker 1: and on and on and on. But you want to
Speaker 1: know what I really noticed is guess guess who reliably
Speaker 1: makes the Pro Bowl from the fifth round. It's it's
Speaker 1: not that it ain't that deep kickers and punters when
Speaker 1: they like when though, if a guy's good enough to
Speaker 1: get drafted there, Michael Dixon was a fifth round pick.
Speaker 1: Matt Gay, the pro bowler for the Rams. MS fifth
Speaker 1: round pick, How do you care? What was that game experience?
Speaker 1: The ram can't connect from fifty yards Tampa? It was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was short on a forty seven yard or still
Speaker 1: went to the Pro Bowl. And then Evan McPherson, who
Speaker 1: was money for the Bengals all through the playoffs and
Speaker 1: really the season fifth round pick. I don't care what
Speaker 1: you tell me. And yeah, like if you can trade
Speaker 1: that for a guard, that would be great. Just use
Speaker 1: one of those picks on a kicker, please think very well?
Speaker 1: Could this is where you know, this is where bones
Speaker 1: fossil is going to come in because I know when
Speaker 1: I worked here back in the day, we had a
Speaker 1: getting Steve Hoffman never I never evaluated a kicker in
Speaker 1: the six years I worked in scouting here because Hoffman
Speaker 1: would go down to home depot and he'd work, he'd
Speaker 1: get ten guys to go to Texas Stadium and then
Speaker 1: he'd find an All Pro out of that group somehow,
Speaker 1: some way. But yeah, this is up the bones and
Speaker 1: those guys I mean I think that you know that
Speaker 1: there's some danger drafting these kickers, though there really is.
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying about Pro Bowls and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, but but think about the ones that have
Speaker 1: been picked in the second, in the third rounds of
Speaker 1: well busts. You know. Don't do that, Yeah, don't do that.
Speaker 1: If somebody comes into the war room on Friday and
Speaker 1: says we should draft a kicker, you say, you're lucky.
Speaker 1: I don't fire you here on the spot, Get out,
Speaker 1: go away. But starting outside of the top, like after
Speaker 1: about pick one thirty, I'm listening. Yeah, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: listening for the punter after about pick seventy, that's right.
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I would have been. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense for the Cowboys anymore, but good for them. Go
Speaker 1: get punk God from San Diego State. Well that's people
Speaker 1: are going to look at him as a happened. That's
Speaker 1: why they should. It's like all of a sudden, you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: like short nickel corner or punter that punts at eighty
Speaker 1: yards every time, you know, that's that's kind of where
Speaker 1: that's where that's gonna be. That's the discussion. You know,
Speaker 1: I hear you. It's just again, it doesn't it's I
Speaker 1: mean anger was that guy too? Like I don't have
Speaker 1: any worries about that from the Cowboys. But your kicker?
Speaker 1: You need a kicker this team plays. This team plays
Speaker 1: too many close games not to have a kicker. I agree. Uh,
Speaker 1: what else we got? Okay, I can go back to this.
Speaker 1: Where are you going? What are you thinking about? I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about Uh? And now now that we covered that,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the boring first round because I
Speaker 1: did want to ask you, I hate the first round.
Speaker 1: What would your dream scenario of choices be? And you
Speaker 1: don't have to tell me one specific player, but like,
Speaker 1: just give me like the scattershot group of guys that
Speaker 1: you would like to have that choice between, or do
Speaker 1: you not want a choice? I am a big fan
Speaker 1: of not having a choice. I love to have the
Speaker 1: draft do it for me where it's just like the
Speaker 1: suspense out of it, where it's like, oh, look, everybody
Speaker 1: I wanted except one is gone, because then you can't
Speaker 1: screw up. And I love not screwing up more than
Speaker 1: I like being right. Like, let's eliminate all risk here
Speaker 1: and what happens is my top five receivers are gone,
Speaker 1: the edge guys are gone, and what is remaining is
Speaker 1: one of linder Bomb, Kenyon Green and Zion Johnson. And
Speaker 1: I'll just pick the one that made it, because then
Speaker 1: you don't have to wonder did we pick the wrong guy?
Speaker 1: Like Zion Johnson and Kenyon Green? To me, Spider Man
Speaker 1: mean gift thingy, whether it's like which one would you
Speaker 1: rather have? I'm gonna say Johnson. But am I all
Speaker 1: that confident in that? No? But am I super confident
Speaker 1: if you told me, all right, linder Bomb's gone, Kenyan
Speaker 1: Green is gone? Do you feel great about taking Zion Johnson? Hell? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're If I got a guy that's like braided
Speaker 1: right with him, it's like, oh god, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: let's not pick the wrong one. It's a line all
Speaker 1: the way for you, though, unless something well like I
Speaker 1: would throw in a name that we talked about earlier
Speaker 1: that I don't think they'll talk about. Nakobe Deane at
Speaker 1: twenty four would be a great pick. He'd be a
Speaker 1: great pick. I think that dude is a baller. You
Speaker 1: can take all your five foot eleven and why didn't
Speaker 1: he test? You can take all of it? You can
Speaker 1: ball it up, you can throw it in a trash can.
Speaker 1: And the one that's right over there, Nakobe Dean is
Speaker 1: a baller. But I don't think the Cowboys care because
Speaker 1: I think they feel like they're okay at linebacker. The
Speaker 1: positional value is not great, and so they're not gonna
Speaker 1: worry about it. Get Derek Stingley to twenty four talk
Speaker 1: about that. You get him there, that can change something.
Speaker 1: I wrote these down. I wrote down this is so
Speaker 1: funny and in no particular order. I'd like a choice.
Speaker 1: If you give me a choice of a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: an edge, a center, or a cornerback. I don't want
Speaker 1: that choice. Grew up choice. No, that's what I want. No,
Speaker 1: you don't, Yes, I do. You're screwed up. You're gonna
Speaker 1: pick the wrong guy. Oh you're not. You're not. If
Speaker 1: the if you just take the however your stack is,
Speaker 1: you take the best one. You stack them. You stack
Speaker 1: that receiver, you stack that edge, you stack that center,
Speaker 1: and they stack the corner and I'm with you. I
Speaker 1: don't think. But we said this before, we said they're
Speaker 1: not going to take that linebacker. But they've surprised us
Speaker 1: before in a draft. But I would I and I
Speaker 1: just kind of kept that linebacker just below that line
Speaker 1: because that would be my hope. But if you gave
Speaker 1: me any in any order you want to have. Now,
Speaker 1: the guards, I don't know, because I just think I
Speaker 1: know they're going to take a guard. I just hope
Speaker 1: whatever guard they take is the right one, because I
Speaker 1: have questions. I have questions about Green, I have questions
Speaker 1: about Johnson, I have questions about Ingram, I have questions
Speaker 1: about all these guys. That's what I think. That's what
Speaker 1: makes me nervous. And I feel better about the wide receiver,
Speaker 1: the edge, the center, and the cornerbacks and the linebackers
Speaker 1: than I do the guards. I am completely unsold that
Speaker 1: unless it's unless it's made Tyler Linderbaum, I'm completely unsold
Speaker 1: that a guard would be the best player available to
Speaker 1: you at twenty four. I'm I refuse to believe. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think at least the way I see them, I
Speaker 1: think the odds are it will be the best player.
Speaker 1: You think for me, even I think it's odds across
Speaker 1: the boards play even again, like throw Dean in there,
Speaker 1: even if the Cowboys don't like him, throw Dean could
Speaker 1: throw that off? What about bomb could throw that off.
Speaker 1: You think Green and Johnson are definitively better than at
Speaker 1: least a couple of those receivers. I have Green and
Speaker 1: Johnson similar to the top seven wide receivers. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I I just I like, just like some people, I'm
Speaker 1: over here with Brian, I just no, No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm watch them together. You're gonna show me where these
Speaker 1: guys aren't good. I didn't say they weren't say I
Speaker 1: would take either guard over Chris Olave like, that's my
Speaker 1: hot take of draft season. That is a hot take.
Speaker 1: I just like I said, I just I hope that
Speaker 1: everybody's right, because I feel like I'm wrong right now.
Speaker 1: This this feels very much Joey Bosa to me. Right now.
Speaker 1: That worked out really well for No, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's always one or two guys that
Speaker 1: just don't have a really good handle on blow up
Speaker 1: everything and go get Cavon Thibodeaux in the top ten.
Speaker 1: Because we've now entered a world where I think the
Speaker 1: majority of people are liking Trayvon Walker more than Cavon Tibodau.
Speaker 1: I watched him both play. You're all insane. I think
Speaker 1: every one of you is insane. I think Cavon Thibodeau
Speaker 1: his tape destroys Trayvon Walker's tape with with no disrespect
Speaker 1: intended toward Trayvon Walker or anybody who loves you. Disrespect
Speaker 1: them all you want. He's going in the top five.
Speaker 1: They gonna be fine. I think we're I think we're
Speaker 1: into that echo chamber part of draft season where people
Speaker 1: tested so well one of them takes one of them,
Speaker 1: disrespects offensive tackles every time it's a pass for one
Speaker 1: of them. Doesn't. Cavon Thibodeau's a stud. He's not lying.
Speaker 1: Bring me Thibodeau. We'll work on that. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see just how far you've already got him in
Speaker 1: my down to eight to ten. Bring him further quick
Speaker 1: programming note it will be April the next time we
Speaker 1: talked to y'all. If you stuck with us for this long,
Speaker 1: I would like you to know, for these final few
Speaker 1: weeks we're gonna bring back tell me more. We'll try
Speaker 1: to get into the real weeds on the you know,
Speaker 1: we like, there's only so much we can say about
Speaker 1: the top one hundred and twenty picks. We're gonna try to.
Speaker 1: We'll find y'all some diamonds in the rough here over
Speaker 1: the last few weeks. We'll be back next week. I
Speaker 1: think Kyle will be back. If he hasn't just up
Speaker 1: and moved on, us might to quit for Jeff and Brian.
Speaker 1: I'm Dave. You know, thanks for listening to the Draft Show.
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