WEBVTT - Draft Show: What About The Back End? 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:04.640 The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:12.680 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys. This is the 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.840 Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.960 insider news and craft analysis from deep within the confines 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:28.680 of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frisco. And now 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:35.040 your hosts, Brian brought Us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeoman, and 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:41.479 David Hellman, the big voice guy. The line to you 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.120 less today I'm stealing Jeff Centro. There. Hi, It's Thursday, 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.840 March thirty first, twenty twenty two. It's time for another 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:50.960 episode of the Draft Show. Make sure you pay your rent. 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.520 Pay your rent's thirty first thirty first. Make sure you 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.320 are ready for the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. It 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.760 will be Draft month in what twelve hours? Fourteen hours? 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.680 David Hellman back in the studio. I am back from 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.600 the NFL owners meetings. It's good to be here. Kyle 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.080 Yeoman still out, but I am joined by my dear friends, 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.640 Brian brought us and Jeff Kavanaugh. Guys, how are we doing? 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.840 Doing great? Did you feel like you were told to 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.759 truth when you're asking? Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones questions 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.640 about the draft. I feel like I was told the 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.760 truth in the sense that they that that is where 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:27.880 all of their focus is right now. I don't know 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.920 how much I trust the did you like particular positions 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.000 they were talking about. I went, you know, I'm I'm dedicated. 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:36.959 I know. I went back and listened to the show 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.959 that y'all did without me, and that's the line Jerry 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:44.840 had about tackle. I just was like, I don't know 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.000 if I believe you, at least not like in the 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.680 sense that it's like your number one priority. I just don't. 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:51.560 I don't know. I'd love to find a tackle. Of course, 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.440 they was a weird time to figure out the when 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.840 and where of it. Yeah, it's I know they would 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.440 love to find a tackle, but imagining it as like 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.840 a prior already with one of the big picks, at 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.160 least one of the first two, I don't know. I 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.200 don't know if Tyron Smith needs to be replaced now 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.840 or in twenty twenty six. Tyron Smith could have been 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.520 replaced last year and it turned out to be a 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.720 great decision, but no, I think for the most part, 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:20.560 I was I feel I feel like yes, because again, 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.360 they made no bones about it, and I know people 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.080 feel some type of way about it, but this, the 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.200 draft is where all of their chips are this year, 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.000 which is great news for us because it gives us 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.920 a lot to talk about. Um, I get the feeling 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.919 you said it on the show Tuesday like they've got 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.679 no problem putting a ton of pressure on this on 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.520 this scouting department. They don't. And that's that, I think 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.120 is what they are going to do. No. They They 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.200 and the scouts realize that too. Scouts are okay with that, 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.600 you know. I mean, these guys have been together a 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.600 long time. They know the drill, they know what's you know. 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.280 They know they don't dabble in free agency like most 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:01.320 teams do. They'll bottom fish some guys, they'll workout for him, 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.000 but yeah, their draft is where they make their money, Okay, 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:08.119 And I assume that comes with a degree of confidence, right, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.640 I mean, especially say what you will. The Cowboys have 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.480 a fantastic track record overall since Will McClay took this 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.160 thing over. How does how would that make you feel? 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.640 Like if you look at this depth chart, I'd feel awesome. Yeah, 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.079 be awesome because you have the chance to add these 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.880 guys to the team. Not at all anxious because you're like, 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.040 you want us to find playmakers at this many different spots. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.280 Oh okay, yeah, if you think that in the draft, 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.600 it's like, all right, boys, gotta find four starters. I 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:37.520 got bad news for you. That's not going to work out. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.720 It's kind of the position that they're in right now. 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:44.440 They need a left guard and a wide receiver. It'll start. Yeah, Oh, 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.240 it sounds better when you put it that way. They 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.840 could use a tight end. They could use a year 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.040 from now, another linebacker, maybe another edge rusher. Oh, you're 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.040 right as far as like guys that need to be 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.560 able to start. I'll throw a swing tackle in there too. Again, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.120 because a you don't have one. And even if we 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.320 don't know what ball we don't know, I mean you're hope. 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.120 You're hope a guy you draft in a month we'll 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.320 play have played as many snaps as Josh Ball. But 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.480 but the hope is that you drafted Josh Ball where 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.280 you did, and then he took the whole off season 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.760 to maybe add ten to twelve pounds and some strength. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.960 If that, if that doesn't, if that doesn't materialize, if 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:23.240 we don't see that, like in OTA's mini camps and 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:27.120 then training camp. Then now you're starting to have some questions. 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.760 And I'm that I'm not saying you have to believe him, 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.960 but Mike McCarthy did bring that up on Tuesday kind 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.760 of basically he was asked by us, like, you haven't 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.240 done anything to your offensive line? Are you aware that 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.320 you can? And he was like, well, what you guys 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.560 don't see is like Josh Ball and Matt Farney, ok. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.760 Are here every day like they're putting in the work. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.520 Coaches aren't allowed to work with them for another few weeks, 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.400 but you can tell when a guy's in the gym 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.719 McCarthy's office like looks out on the gym. So, I 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.760 don't know, does that give you any optimism? Well, no, 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.880 it just to me. That's that's your hope. That was No, 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.680 that's that's your hope. That's your hope right now. I mean, 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.680 you know, let's I tend to I'll say this though, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.200 about the scouts and the pressure, the fact that you 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.400 seem like you have a coaching staff that you can 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.120 work with. Now, we'll see what happens with Joe Philbin. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.040 We'll see what happens because there's a disconnect there. I 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.880 believe with what maybe the scouts want to do and 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.600 what Joe Philbin wants to do. And then now it's 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.599 at a position too where there's some primary need that 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.320 guard spot. You know, who is going to win. Are 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.760 they going to be able to come to a consensus 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.920 on that potential guard you know, if that's the direction 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.560 that they go at twenty four. Two things I want 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:40.240 to get into in this first segment, one about the 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.880 Cowboys draft picks. But before we do that, try to 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:46.120 keep it topical. At the top of the show. Alabama 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.400 did have its pro day Wednesday. That is noteworthy for 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.360 a variety of reasons. It turns out when you win 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.200 the national title every other year, you've got a few 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.760 good players, you do. Mike McCarthy, Will McClay, and Dan 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:04.560 Quinn were also all there. Guys I want to talk about, Oh, 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.640 you got a guy I want. I mean, he's not 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.880 like a new guy. It's not like I'm turning over 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.440 a rock here. But I want to talk about Jamison 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:15.360 Williams because I feel like I don't want to say 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.160 he's been under the radar. Everybody knows who he is, 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:23.480 but I feel like you maybe subconsciously early I'll say 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.960 I do. I feel like I subconsciously leave him out 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.320 of the conversation because he just tore his ACL January 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.840 eleventh National Title game, and you wonder how available he's 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.760 gonna be. He's gonna start the season on pup, all 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.520 this good type of stuff, and he didn't even do 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.880 a pro day yesterday, but he's doing some hopping and 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.279 skipping around. Some video comes out of him doing some 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.560 hopping and some skipping, and he says he thinks he's 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.440 on pace to be ready for training camp. And my 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.919 heart got all a flutter because he didn't know what 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:58.120 happened in Michael Gallup's surgery, that that that his is 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.440 not on schedule and everyone else in the world. It's 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.039 not the surgery. I can't tell you. And I know 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.279 we've gotten a few questions about that. Mike just had 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.080 a lot of swelling, swelling in the area of the injury. 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.880 Like sometimes you get a clean tear. I'm not a doctor, 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.360 but like the no two tears are the same. Mike's 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.200 it was swelling for a month, yea for a month. Yeah, 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.440 and that's it's not like Michael Gallup was like, I 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.320 don't feel like doing that didn't get a nice pack. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.200 I think it's a little bit more store get ten 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.520 pound bags. You know, I trust a frozen piece. I 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:32.120 trust the highly skilled doctors that do these things. Mike 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.200 was Mike didn't put it off for no reason. He 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.400 needed to let the swelling go down before getting all 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.440 the way back on topic, just because I'm just gonna 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:44.920 take a Jamison Williams branch Uh isn't wild that there 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.080 are two players in this draft they're gonna go in 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:51.520 the first round that had to transfer to play. Jameson 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.400 Williams had to transfer because Garrett Wilson, Chris Olabe and 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.440 Jackson Smith and Jigbo were going to be the three 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:01.360 starting receivers in Ohio state. He wasn't gonna art and 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:06.440 now he's top twenty five pick. Trayvon Walker might be 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:10.640 a top five pick, I'm sorry. Jermaine Johnson, yeah, might 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.520 be a top fifteen pick right, And he had to 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.640 transfer because he wasn't gonna play at Georgia. So and 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.480 I don't even know what the takeaway is. And the 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:22.960 takeaway is that the I mean, college football has always 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.320 been a super in balanced sport, like the rich always 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.400 get richer. But but you're telling me that Jermaine Johnson 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.600 isn't better than anyone who played a bunch of snaps 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.760 on a Georgie dfense. My guy, you're the one that 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.880 won't shut up about how the dude that's not draft 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:37.840 eligible at Georgia is better than all the freaks that 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.040 are going to be first. I'm just I'm just saying, 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:47.119 Kirby Smart, Nick Saban, and Ryan Day just have stables 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.880 of freaks at every position. That's what happens when you're 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.040 able to sustain that type of success. And honestly, and 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:57.200 that's it's just self perpetuating because these guys say, maybe 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:00.400 I won't be the guy as a freshman, but I'll 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:04.000 take over in the bowl game like uh Smith and 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.400 Jigba did, and then he's the guy going for It's 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.000 like I'll be limited for a year before I go 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.400 on to be a top twenty pick. Like that's fine. 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.520 He wasn't going to play for Ohio State basically, but oh, 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.440 but to your point, he should not be forgotten at 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.679 twenty four. If Jameson Williams is available, which I think 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.240 there's a decent chance he's not, that's you should have 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.680 him in consideration. Real quick. I just want to I 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.840 think I just think it's funny. He transferred to Alabama, 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.440 which cranks out a top twenty receiver every year, like 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.679 Jermaine Johnson. Jermaine Johnson went to a lesser program than Georgia. 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.719 Jamison Williams was like, let me go to the one 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.920 that's arguably better and become a star. Yeah, go figure, 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.439 Um Yeah, I mean does this Does this take him 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.800 out of the Cowboys draft range? Because that breaks my heart? 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.240 If so, If he's if he is ready for training camp, 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.640 and really this is just a speed bump on his 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.160 way toward being drafted in the top fifteen, that's a 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.439 bummer for the Cowboys. I would say, Mike, Well, it's 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.000 hard to get like, I literally think it's flip a coin. Well, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.800 Jamison Williams make twenty four, because I think what's gonna 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:11.240 happen at receiver is you're almost picking style In the 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:15.400 top five guys, they're just different. If you want the 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.480 speed guy, then you're gonna take Jamison Williams. Yeah. If 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.120 you want an X, maybe you're gonna take Drake London. 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.800 If you want a route runner, maybe you're gonna take 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.240 one of the Ohio State guys. It's like of the 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:32.600 names like Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Treylan Burkes, Drake London, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.440 Jamison Williams. I bet you one of them is there. 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.800 I have no idea who, but I bet you one 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.679 of them is there. I kind of feel like with 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.040 these receivers, if you're the Cowboys, you're gonna have to 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.520 walk the mine field of the Philadelphia Eagles, like the 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.319 Eagles are in they've got those three picks. I think 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.360 it one of those three picks you could you could 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.800 clearly see one of these wide receivers going, we're gonna 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.120 have Eagles will just draft the bad one. Though. That's well, 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.600 that's you know, that's your hope, that's your hope. I mean, 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:00.680 I mean, we all liked Ray here. I mean, I 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:04.000 know I'm being I know is planted firmly. I know 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.240 I know that, and I but you know, like I 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.800 said to me that, I feel like that's the that's 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.880 the minefield that you're gonna have to walk if you 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.680 want one of these if if in fact, because then 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.000 what happens is or maybe maybe you're in a situation 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:23.400 too where Kansas City becomes aggressive. Green Bay becomes aggressive 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.560 to try and go up if they kind of feel 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.920 like if some if they see one of those wide receivers, 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.240 maybe maybe that's the team that's going now. Green Bay 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.680 has a history of not drafting wide receivers. We've talked 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.599 about that a bunch. Kansas City isn't a very is 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.559 a very aggressive team. So if they if they feel 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.320 like that there's a player that they need, I could 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.200 see them coming from the back of the draft to 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:49.400 come get somebody. Paint me a clearer picture of Jamison Williams. Um. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.280 I mean he's he has that freakish Tyree Hill type 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.199 of speed that forces everyone on the field to account 0:11:56.200 --> 0:12:00.200 for him. Um, he's a He's a vertical threat as 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.280 well as a horror of a horizontal threat. I think 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.440 he could do all of that gadget type of stuff, 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:08.360 but clearly there's a deficiency in his game, or else 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.160 we would be talking about him the way that we 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.720 talk about a Jamar Chase or a guy like that 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.280 that you know is going to be a top ten pick. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:18.199 So what is it that you ding him for? I 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:24.520 think he is, like he's better than a quote speed receiver. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:29.560 Excuse me, he's better than I think he's better than 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.840 Henry Ruggs as a prospect, and Ruggs was a first 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.120 round pick. I think he's better than that because I 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.000 think he's a capable route runner. But I just think 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.880 there's levels to everything you're looking for at wide receiver. 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.760 You want a ball that's going to be in the air. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.560 I want Drake London or Traylan Burkes. You want to 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.199 know what's going to happen after this dude catches the ball. 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.640 I don't think Jamison Williams is my number one, but 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.040 he makes stuff happen after the catch, but it's still 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.920 mostly predicated on speed. So ultimately, I think he is 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.120 a stretch the field, not going to have a hundred 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:10.440 catch season. But it's weird because he's he's more than 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:15.320 just speed, but he's not as good and nuanced in 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:19.160 terms of route running or power or above the rim 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.800 as some of the other guys. I think it's his hands. 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.320 I think it's his hands that have the question mark 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.520 nobody catch them. Yeah. I mean, if you look at 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.320 the in the National Championship game, at one play he 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.760 did make, it was really nice. Was body catch kind 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.440 of a play. But I think that's the thing you'll 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.840 see him catch with his hands, You'll see him extend, 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.680 and then there's other times you see him the ball 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.880 gets on top of him. And that's what good receivers do. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.880 They're able to adjust. And I think that's where people 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.480 would probably this guy puts the fear of God in 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.640 defensive backs for the aid and you could tell, you 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.520 could watch, you could see when guys try and cover him, 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.200 and you do not want to give this guy free access. 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:59.280 I mean, when he starts running, he just tears up 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.400 cushion the way it is, and then all of a 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.720 sudden you're put in a position where he's gonna break. 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.720 And now it's even worse that he's running forward and 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.560 you're trying to pedal and turn. I think that's the 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.800 thing that he that he does really, really well. Now 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.000 we'll see if the knee injury takes some of that 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.880 ability away from him. But if you said, is there 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.040 one thing that you would say that people would ding 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.280 him on. He is one hundred and seventy nine pounds 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:28.840 and he is and his hands might be just good. 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.200 That's kind of where I think it's going to be. 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.840 Two other Alabama guys. I want to hit on Dan 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.080 Quinn was there. I don't know if Kellen was there. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.200 Kellen's been hanging out in the Midwest. I feel like 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.320 he was up at like Iowa State, just kind of 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.120 how he gets down the Midwest him. Do you think 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.160 he was looking at brock Purty maybe as a backup 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.640 one of those fifth round picks or something like that. 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.040 I like, is that knowing that Will Greer is here? 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.360 They picked him up off of waivers last year, Like, 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.920 I wonder how much of a priority that is for them? 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.360 But yeah, sure, maybe not. I mean, well, I mean, 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.320 I just I was trying to figure out why Charlie Kohler, 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.880 the tight end, Charlie would be good to go, and 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:08.680 then yeah, I mean, why not take a look at 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:13.840 brock Purty, Sure you're a quarterback? The two Federian mathis 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.160 the Bama defensive tackle. And then another one that I 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.920 feel like owes a little bit more attention than maybe 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.760 we've given him, as Christian Harris, who seems like, especially 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.440 when you look at the way the linebacker class has changed, 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.760 Damon Clark having surgery, right, maybe you're knocking him down 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.560 your board. Harris seems like he stands to benefit in 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.880 the sense that maybe not a first round pick, but 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:39.280 a guy that I could see going pretty quickly on Friday. Yes, no, No, 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.240 I absolutely agree with you on that. I mean, this 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.480 is a guy. You know again, you're looking at a 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:47.320 six one two and twenty six pound guy that is 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.440 always around the football. I mean, you cannot watch an 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:55.040 Alabama defense and not see number eight near the football. 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.400 He's just super impressive. And the thing I think about 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.400 him maybe being at two twenty six, when he tackles 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:05.160 the ball carrier stops, there's no like dragging him down 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.320 the field kind of for another four or five yards. 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.760 I mean you literally see him when he hits that 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.320 ball carrier stops. And I mean I think the thing 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.360 about him at being that light too. His movement skill 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.640 is really good too, because he plays a step ahead 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.080 and it's like see that, see what's developing, and then go. 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:28.000 And a lot of those Alabama defensive players are that way. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.680 They're so well trained to keep their eyes in the 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.080 right spot and to run and go get the football. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.520 And I think he I think Christian Harris fits right 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:40.240 into that, into that mode. I think, yeah, like I 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.440 like Christian Harris. I think he's gonna be one of 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.080 those guys. It's gonna fall directly between where you pick 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:48.800 and where you pick where we say that about everybody's sure, 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.280 somebody has to be there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:52.840 say it about a million guys, and then a bunch 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:54.040 of them will be there, and then you're gonna pick 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.640 sky More in the third round and life's gonna be great. Yeah. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.760 I just think, like I look at the linebacker class. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:04.200 I think for me anyway, it's Nakobe Deane, Devin Lloyd. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.680 I think my third guy is Quay Walker, another Georgia guy, 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:13.879 and then it's Christian Harris. Yeah. And so could the 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.679 fourth off the ball linebacker in a draft make it 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:20.240 to your second round pick? Yeah? Sure, And somebody could 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.560 pick somebody else that I haven't named in front of him, 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:27.320 whether it's Chad Muma or leo' chanal or whatever. Tindale 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.200 is getting a lot of play, you know, he's getting 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.440 a lot of people are talking about him as possibly 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:34.600 being in that mix. When you're mentioning that raft as 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.880 many Georgia defends there there, I mean, because I mean 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.440 I was falling along with is Pete Presco I guess 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:41.879 from you know, Pete's got a pretty good eye for 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:43.160 this stuff. He does a lot of the same stuff 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.800 when he really studies his stuff, and you know, he 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:47.800 was he was breaking down some tape and a lot 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.000 of But I'm also asking some people about you talked 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:56.439 about Walker Tindale Chanel. Is that Chanal that the channel? 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.199 How do you Scott Kyle's not here to be the 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:02.280 pronunciation now the Wisconsin guy? Yeah, you know, so yeah, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.920 I mean that that to me is all those guys. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.320 I think it's a pretty good list of linebackers too, 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:11.600 you know, with Assamura too from you know, with with 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.560 he's he's been a boomer sooner guy. Yeah, we're gonna talk. 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:16.040 I want to talk about him in the next segment. 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.800 But although Stephen Jones, you talk about whether or not 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.520 I'm being lied to. Stephen Jones made my eyebrows kind 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.240 of perk up. I mean, great, great stuff that he 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.360 said about Jabril Cox in the sense that they think 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.880 he can step up and Phil Kean O'Neil's role, Bill 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:34.480 co Truthers unite. He also said he also basically was like, yeah, 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.760 I mean Jaron curses a linebacker, which is true, but 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.240 was funny to hear him say that, And so you 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.520 kind of start doing mental math where you're like, Okay, 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.879 say goodbye to Na Kobe Dean, say goodbye to like 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.520 a top sixty sort of linebacker. I just I wonder 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:50.720 if it's a priority for them when when you throw 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.879 j Ron Curse into that mix, now you're really talking 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.600 about four guys that can play that position. Well, the 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.160 thing that might get Na Kobe Dean as he's five 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.120 eleven four, you've talked about that, that's that's where that's 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.560 where that might end for him. I mean, now he's 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.120 not for every team, but but I don't know how 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.600 you can't turn on the tape and see he should 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.320 be on my team. You know that that part of it. 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.119 You know, if you talk to people after the combine 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.280 to a man, they were saying the best interview they 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.600 had was Nakobe Dean. The best interview they had would 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.280 just talking to him, and that the kid gets it. 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.640 You know, it's a mechanical engineering major. I mean, there's 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.520 a lot of really super super things about him that 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:34.080 people were really you know, kind of singing his praises. 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.000 This is one of those things where I differ from 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.200 y'all in the sense, like Nakobe Dean might be. He's 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.119 probably my favorite defender that I've seen in this class, 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.200 just in terms of enjoying watching him play football. But 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.520 I think Sauce Gardner would be mine if I'm well, 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:51.320 I right. I mean, he won't be there anyway, But 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.720 the irony is like, I just find myself drifting away 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:56.959 from Nakobe Dean, not because I don't like him as 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:58.600 a player. I just don't think the Cowboys will draft 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.520 him if they don't see the knee, and we suspect 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.760 that they maybe not like his they maybe don't like 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.919 his size. It's just like, well, sorry, go be a 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.199 badass for for Arizona. The first night of the draft. 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.919 We're gonna be talking when he gets picked. There's not 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.080 gonna be a negative thing said about him. You know, 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:17.119 everybody's gonna talk about man, that that's smart foot and 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.120 he's probably gonna go to a really good team. It's 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:20.879 probably gonna be somebody at the back, and we always 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.440