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Speaker 5: All right, So, first of all, to confirm for everyone,
Speaker 5: Carl Lawson has officially signed to the Cowboys. He is
Speaker 5: officially on the roster. Cowboys do have a full padded
Speaker 5: practice today. Carl Lawston is expected to participate, but we
Speaker 5: will I'm sorry, we have a mott game today.
Speaker 1: We have a mock game. See three days, I'm coming
Speaker 1: home days.
Speaker 7: You know what, good break, Give us a break.
Speaker 1: Cowboys have a mock game today. Raiders, Oh that's cold.
Speaker 1: Bless their hearts.
Speaker 5: He's expected to participate in the mock game, which is
Speaker 5: essentially a walkthrough for the Cowboys. But we will speak
Speaker 5: with head coach Mike McCarthy uh this afternoon in a
Speaker 5: few hours to confirm if that's going to be the case.
Speaker 5: Fullp had a practice will resume on tomorrow, which is
Speaker 5: going to be Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's Tuesday or tomorrow, I think.
Speaker 5: Corresponding move Earl Bostic offensive linemen offensive tackle specifically will
Speaker 5: be moved to IR ahead of roster cutdowns. He will
Speaker 5: unfortunately join Chilma Idoga the other Cowboys backup tackle on
Speaker 5: IR Cowboys as a reminder, signed Cole Cabron, and Cole
Speaker 5: Cabron was on the field against the Raiders. Didn't look
Speaker 5: half bad for a guy that had just gotten here,
Speaker 5: and nor did Jordan Phillips, who looked really good for
Speaker 5: a guy who got here two days before. He took
Speaker 5: the field headline. Obviously, over the weekend, Mazzie Smith. Mazzie
Speaker 5: Smith suffered an allergic reaction on what would have been
Speaker 5: his travel day, the team's travel day to Las Vegas, UH.
Speaker 5: It required treatment, transportation to the hospital, follow up reevaluation.
Speaker 5: On Saturday morning, he was unable to travel. He was
Speaker 5: held back here in Oxnar for medical reasons not cleared.
Speaker 5: And we will get an update from Micha McCarthy again
Speaker 5: when we speak to him today on the status of
Speaker 5: Mazzie Smith. But I'm told that he is doing better.
Speaker 5: He's making progress, which is the good news. But we'll
Speaker 5: see if he participates in today's Mott game or tomorrow's
Speaker 5: full padded practice.
Speaker 3: In the bottom line is, once he was left back,
Speaker 3: he was never coming. The Cowboy just didn't want to
Speaker 3: say it. Certainly they were being conscious and from a
Speaker 3: pr standpoint.
Speaker 1: You have to do that, but it may be a
Speaker 1: little optimistic.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but yeah, holding out hope.
Speaker 3: He was in he was in the hospital for four hours. Okay,
Speaker 3: he had an EpiPen. I mean, there's there's you know,
Speaker 3: they just they just didn't want to you know, obviously
Speaker 3: they gonna piece build information. But there was no way
Speaker 3: he was coming fly toy Man Saturday morning for a
Speaker 3: preseas again, there was no point. Yeah, you know, what
Speaker 3: he had gone through, that experience, had gone through, that
Speaker 3: was way was coming. The good news is he is
Speaker 3: feeling better. The Cowboys optimistic, you know, obviously he'll make
Speaker 3: a full recovery from you again, from whatever it was
Speaker 3: was a leergic reaction. We don't really know the severity
Speaker 3: of whatever else. And and and so now just on
Speaker 3: the process. We gotta do the reconditioning, We gotta do
Speaker 3: all of that, you know, getting back and getting ready
Speaker 3: to go for the start of the season. But you know,
Speaker 3: you Alma's working by Jordan Phillips, who just got here,
Speaker 3: and certainly he's a veteran, he knows the scheme. I
Speaker 3: don't know how much he would have played if Mozzy
Speaker 3: would have been out there. Certainly talked to the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: He probably would have played anyway, but he played more
Speaker 3: than expected that I think he started the game. Uh,
Speaker 3: certainly because mozz wasn't there that you know, they wanted
Speaker 3: Mozi to play, but for a veteran no practice time
Speaker 3: with the Cowboys, just signed with late Wednesday Night joined
Speaker 3: the team. Good snaps and show you you know why
Speaker 3: they brought him here? Would he in concert with Mozzi
Speaker 3: helped shore up the depth on that defensive line. Was
Speaker 3: a good movie.
Speaker 5: And what actually makes it even more interesting about Jordan
Speaker 5: Phillips is they didn't drop him down in the one
Speaker 5: tech at the nose tackle.
Speaker 1: He started at the three tech in place of Osa.
Speaker 5: So it was uh, it was Jordan Phillips playing alongside
Speaker 5: Justin Rogers rookie seventh round pick who got a lot
Speaker 5: of reps obviously in the absence of Mazzi. So interested
Speaker 5: that something interesting to keep an eye on. When you're
Speaker 5: talking about Jordan Phillips. Obviously, the immediate thought is he
Speaker 5: comes in and he plays in rotation with Mazzie Smith,
Speaker 5: which is likely, but the fact that he shows some
Speaker 5: good things at the three tech, maybe he gets some
Speaker 5: reps in rotation with Osa as well.
Speaker 3: So that's that's the dirty little secret. There's really no
Speaker 3: backup three tech. Yeah, there's no backup.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not a secret, you know, and so
Speaker 1: you you.
Speaker 3: You know, so you know that's the thing when I
Speaker 3: when I talk about the defensive line, you know, he's
Speaker 3: coming into camp. There were questions certainly with with Mazzi,
Speaker 3: just because of last year and the unknown. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: there was no proven depth at either position, you know,
Speaker 3: on the defensive line. And I'm and I've said it,
Speaker 3: it's hard to build a good defense if you're not
Speaker 3: strong up to the middle.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Because it'specially to be him the stop to run, and
Speaker 3: it was that they had to show up. They should
Speaker 3: have showed up. They started body in Jordan Phillips and
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're done and I don't think
Speaker 3: they're done looking at help for that defensive line because
Speaker 3: again six six, three, fourteen or three whatever he is,
Speaker 3: it's not your idea three technique, right, He's he's historically
Speaker 3: been a one technique, but he does have push. He's
Speaker 3: you know, he one year had nine nass snacks, So
Speaker 3: he can't get up and feel he can't do that.
Speaker 3: The Mazies has had some does some things that three techniques,
Speaker 3: So you're gonna rotate those three guys, but you still
Speaker 3: need up up the middle.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 6: I was even talking to Nick even about how impressive
Speaker 6: Jordan Phillips was in his first performance, especially after just
Speaker 6: signing only a few days before the game and actually
Speaker 6: like taking snaps a lot of snaps uh in the
Speaker 6: first half of that game. It's really impressive, especially at
Speaker 6: a guy his size, and he's a big dude.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you guys have seen him around.
Speaker 7: It's a large He's not small.
Speaker 1: Now, he's not Jordan Phillips.
Speaker 5: Jordan Phillips is a freaking building with legs right, which
Speaker 5: is you know, nose tackle. But Carl Lawson is not
Speaker 5: a small guy. I mean, what are we talking here?
Speaker 5: Six two two sixty five give or take. So he's
Speaker 5: gonna come in and give you the help on the
Speaker 5: defensive end that you're gonna lose with the loss of
Speaker 5: Sam Williams, and he's gonna help mar Shan Kneeling and
Speaker 5: those guys come along on the end. What's interesting though,
Speaker 5: is let's see what they do with Chauncey Ghoston because
Speaker 5: when Sam Williams went down, Chaunsea Gooston was moved back
Speaker 5: out to the defensive end. And for those that may
Speaker 5: not know, Chauncey Gooston started his career with the Cowboys
Speaker 5: on the edge and he was moved inside. So they're
Speaker 5: gonna use some versatility with Chauncey Goosten to try to
Speaker 5: help at the three tech. Maybe they'll get Carl Lawston
Speaker 5: involved in the three tech a little bit on some
Speaker 5: of those lighter four man fronts and three man fronts
Speaker 5: to kind of on those passing downs to kind of
Speaker 5: get pressure. But it'll be interesting to see how they
Speaker 5: work it because Clarence is right. Uh, we talk about
Speaker 5: the nose tackle rotation a lot, and you know Jordan
Speaker 5: Phillips ideally he's gonna come in and help with that.
Speaker 5: You got Albert Huggins who actually played much better against
Speaker 5: the Raiders, and then you got Justin Rodgers. But that
Speaker 5: three tech is is really thinned behind Osin.
Speaker 3: Well, God, it was, let's just I'm glad you brought
Speaker 3: the b Alpa hooks because he got a lot of crap,
Speaker 3: a lot of grief deserved lists know, for for for
Speaker 3: what he did and against the against the Rams. Uh,
Speaker 3: lesson learned. Everybody thought, well he should be fired and
Speaker 3: he should be cut and all this other stuff. The Cowboys,
Speaker 3: you know, young guy trying to make the team was
Speaker 3: oldly aggressive. Again Mike McCarthy said, it's unacceptable, but kept
Speaker 3: the right attitude and had a good game against the
Speaker 3: Raiders and show you know why they brought him in here.
Speaker 3: And and you know, we'll see if he makes a team.
Speaker 3: And you know he's he's at that position we're talking about.
Speaker 3: But uh so, good for him to show some growth,
Speaker 3: uh and good for the Cowboys to show some facing
Speaker 3: with him.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: But just get him back. You again, defensive men, I
Speaker 3: I still you know, lost him and you you talk
Speaker 3: about Sam Williams, but it's really about also making up
Speaker 3: for dorans to the guys that left. I mean, they
Speaker 3: lost a lot of veterans, you know who were part
Speaker 3: of that rotation. And you wanted use Mazi and linebackers.
Speaker 3: So you did admit as much in help as you
Speaker 3: can and as well she can still do something things
Speaker 3: you want with MAZI. And speaking of in help as
Speaker 3: I was naming some of those guys like Carl Lawson obviously,
Speaker 3: Marshawn Kneeland let's not forget al Quade, my himIt Mohammed
Speaker 3: al buddy, my Muhammad Aqm, as I like to call him.
Speaker 5: He's been practicing very well since he arrived. He was
Speaker 5: in that workout group with Shaka, Tony and Carl Lawson,
Speaker 5: and you know, AQM got the nod and he's been
Speaker 5: doing well in camp, trending in the right direction. Two
Speaker 5: preseason games under his belt. He's improving as the preseason
Speaker 5: games go along. So I keep an eye out for
Speaker 5: AQM as well.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, all right, boy, So well, let's get into the
Speaker 6: game itself. We played, uh, the Las Vegas Raiders only
Speaker 6: a few days ago at Allegiant Stadium, Raid the Raiders,
Speaker 6: and it ended up sounding.
Speaker 7: More like a Dallas game.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: The fans were live, the fans were live. It was
Speaker 6: it was a great setting. That stadium is beautiful. I
Speaker 6: do have to say that, like, it was a vibe agreed.
Speaker 5: And and you know, for for all of the talk
Speaker 5: about what the stands and ox start looks look like,
Speaker 5: let me tell you the Cowboys fans effectively took over
Speaker 5: at some point against the Raiders and we started hearing.
Speaker 1: Chances against the Cowboys. Yeah. I tried to be nice,
Speaker 1: but okay, let's throw that out the window.
Speaker 5: Cowboys fans showed up and they were hot and heavy
Speaker 5: going into the Raiders preseason game. And as the game
Speaker 5: went on and the Cowboys started to pull away, the
Speaker 5: Raiders fans got quiet and you heard the entirety of
Speaker 5: let's go Cowboys, Let's go Cowboys. So Cowboys fans are
Speaker 5: energized this season. Obviously, they have a right to be critical.
Speaker 5: I mean, when you end the season like the Cowboys
Speaker 5: ended against the Green Bay Packers, I get that Cowboys
Speaker 5: have a lot to fix and they have a lot
Speaker 5: of pressure on the line when you talk about guys
Speaker 5: who are on one year contract, including coaches as well.
Speaker 5: And that's one of the reasons I believe that we
Speaker 5: still have three days left out here before we go home.
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy trying to maximize the amount of time he
Speaker 5: has with his guys in training camp text put them
Speaker 5: on the right foot going forward.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that more than one thing can be true.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of Cowboy fans, okay, a lot of
Speaker 3: Cowboy fans, a lot of frustrated Cowboys. There's still a
Speaker 3: lot of doghard Cowboys fans Okay, So yes, they're fans
Speaker 3: who are disillusioned. They're fans who are frustrated. They're fans
Speaker 3: who I'm not giving Jerry my money anymore. And then
Speaker 3: they're fans who cowboys. No matter what, I'm rooting for
Speaker 3: the jersey. And they were there, not like I went
Speaker 3: to the the Aces game. A lot of cowboy jerseys. There,
Speaker 3: a lot of cowboys. They walk into the casinos, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, because the cowboys were standing at the MGM
Speaker 3: park and I'm go to the metal. They paid and
Speaker 3: there's so many fans in town and cowboy jerseys and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and all going to the game, high
Speaker 3: five in each other. So there were the cowboys showed up.
Speaker 3: Went to the Emma Smith's restaurant on Friday night, and
Speaker 3: we gonna drop that a little bit for you.
Speaker 1: Jimmy.
Speaker 3: Was there a lot of cowboys fans up in there
Speaker 3: him and signing jerseys. A lot of people, look, use
Speaker 3: this opportunity, Let's be honest. This stadium open in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Jerry helped build the stadium just the first time the
Speaker 3: Cowboys got there. Everybody wanted to go to Vegas. Everybody
Speaker 3: want to see the Cowboys in the stable. What is
Speaker 3: the new stadium. That's part of it too, you know,
Speaker 3: Legends is part of the diet. The marketing is they
Speaker 3: do the food service, you know, so Jerry's making money
Speaker 3: in Vegas as well. On on these greaters again. Yes,
Speaker 3: a lot of Cowboys fans were there. Uh again, great standing,
Speaker 3: great looking stadium. And I checked myself. I try to
Speaker 3: check myself, you do. Yeah, I'm trying to say I'm
Speaker 3: not being by it. Still not burn At and.
Speaker 7: T It's not no, you know already I.
Speaker 1: Put my rockets out there.
Speaker 3: A lot of these new stadiums, you know, it does
Speaker 3: have an in game experience. I like that. I do
Speaker 3: like the scoreboards. I kind of like the little.
Speaker 7: End zone, the open press box.
Speaker 3: Press boxes nice. But as far as the stadium itself,
Speaker 3: you know they still trailing at.
Speaker 1: And t AT and t us Bank and then Allegiant.
Speaker 3: But it's a nice stadium.
Speaker 1: It is. It's nice.
Speaker 5: But yeah, the fans showed up and they showed out.
Speaker 5: And if you're a frustrated fan, you have the right
Speaker 5: to be. If you're an optimistic fan, you have a
Speaker 5: right to be. Both things are true. At the same time.
Speaker 5: It's it's not about swinging all the way left to
Speaker 5: swinging all to be right, all the way right.
Speaker 1: The truth is somewhere in the middle if you do
Speaker 1: the homework.
Speaker 6: Now about this game, tree Lance, I want to get
Speaker 6: into Trey Lance.
Speaker 8: This is kind of a longer what's that before the defense?
Speaker 8: QB Yeah, I know it's q start again as he
Speaker 8: started again. We also started a game with DEVA. Then
Speaker 8: won't make sure we understand the wee facts we got
Speaker 8: to talk about.
Speaker 1: But I would like to talk longer about the defense.
Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and.
Speaker 7: Let's get tree Lances.
Speaker 6: Not out of the way, but let's let's talk about
Speaker 6: Tree Lance, because I know that's all a lot of
Speaker 6: the questions from the fans are coming about this quarterback position.
Speaker 6: So improve an improvement over last week, for sure, quite
Speaker 6: an improvement over the Rams game. You saw him actually
Speaker 6: taking risks, truscans, receivers, you know, going through his reads.
Speaker 7: What did you see from tree Lance?
Speaker 5: Well, first and foremost, I saw some touch on his passes,
Speaker 5: and there were some passes that still lacked the touch.
Speaker 5: And I spoke about this coming out of the Rams
Speaker 5: game and spoke about it to the totality of what's
Speaker 5: going on in camp practices, and that on a lot
Speaker 5: of his deep balls, they tend to sail, not drop
Speaker 5: it into the bucket, like you're saying with Cooper.
Speaker 1: Rush, like you see with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 5: I saw more of that being able to be accomplished
Speaker 5: by Trey Lance. Talk about the touchdown to Ryan Flinoy
Speaker 5: in the end zone. Flinoy absolutely destroys, destroys the defender,
Speaker 5: and then all he had to do Trey was lobb
Speaker 5: it in there, and that's what he did. He didn't bullet,
Speaker 5: try to throw the bullet, he didn't put too much
Speaker 5: on it, and it sailed into the stands. He did
Speaker 5: exactly what he needed to do, and he also settled in.
Speaker 5: My only quandary for Trey Lance is can we settle
Speaker 5: in quicker more quickly as a backup in the NFL?
Speaker 5: If you're starting quarterback were to go down, you're not
Speaker 5: gonna have ideally a full quarter a full half to
Speaker 5: settle in.
Speaker 1: You gotta go in.
Speaker 5: Which is why Cooper Rush has been so effective as
Speaker 5: being a backup quarterback, because he can go in ice
Speaker 5: cold and make some plays for you, or at least
Speaker 5: not give the game away.
Speaker 1: For Trey Lance.
Speaker 5: He came out cold in the first quarter, settled in
Speaker 5: nicely second quarter, La chef Kiss came out third quarter cold,
Speaker 5: slow start, got into the fourth chef Kiss. So if
Speaker 5: he can get quicker starts and continue to improve on
Speaker 5: his touch and trusting his arm to make those throws
Speaker 5: and trusting the receivers and they need to help him
Speaker 5: out and they have been more and more. But if
Speaker 5: those things continue to happen, then his game against the
Speaker 5: Chargers should be even better than the game against the Raiders,
Speaker 5: which was markedly better than the game against the Rams.
Speaker 5: And then what and then he'll be emergency quarterback.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, I.
Speaker 1: Like that, And then he'll.
Speaker 5: Be emergency quarterback this season then having going out, having
Speaker 5: gone out on a high note, which then sets up
Speaker 5: the conversation for twenty twenty five as.
Speaker 1: Far as his value as far as backup.
Speaker 5: Oh no, we all just make it still with the
Speaker 5: Russian is still QB two as we have this conversation,
Speaker 5: just make it to it.
Speaker 3: So now we got that out the way, because people
Speaker 3: will go crazy, and people go people crazy, because that's
Speaker 3: why we gotta talk about the quarterback first. Because the quarterback,
Speaker 3: even though the defense was called the show. But people
Speaker 3: go crazy and we got to talk about the quarterback.
Speaker 3: That's the and and all of that stuff. But progress,
Speaker 3: he took a step. He talked about the growth. You
Speaker 3: could sell the gross used to judchdown paths was a
Speaker 3: perfect example of you know, him throwing on time in rhythm,
Speaker 3: unlike against around when he threw the ball late and
Speaker 3: threw it out a bound and he gave guy a
Speaker 3: chance to make a play. H Certler that there's some
Speaker 3: things and early in the game he was high, he
Speaker 3: was behind receivers. You know, the accuracy remains a problem.
Speaker 3: One thing Mike McCarthy talked about last week after the game,
Speaker 3: and it's something we've talked about and I've talked about.
Speaker 3: He just needs reps. He needs reps. He needs snaps.
Speaker 3: Who you don't I really admit the fact that this
Speaker 3: guy like that can't go to the UFL and play
Speaker 3: and play quarterback and get some snaps under him and
Speaker 3: so he can see the game. But you saw the growth,
Speaker 3: and you saw the progress from week one to week two.
Speaker 3: When you're gonna continue to see more progress next week,
Speaker 3: but again you're going to get back ups. He wanted
Speaker 3: to get starters against Raiders most of the game for
Speaker 3: the first half, stl the second half of his backups.
Speaker 3: You know, they don't have full game plans, they don't
Speaker 3: have full scheming. You know, there's not enough there to
Speaker 3: say he's competing for Cooper Russ for the backup job.
Speaker 1: Oh no.
Speaker 3: But but from a guy you see the potential, You
Speaker 3: see the growth. He saw that lett of system. You know,
Speaker 3: it was a good showing for him, very good showing.
Speaker 5: I also saw some composure as well, not nearly as
Speaker 5: much panic as we saw in some plays against the Rams.
Speaker 5: One play in particular comes to mind. It's a free
Speaker 5: blitz off of the left side third down. Believe it
Speaker 5: was third and ten. Blitzer is right in his face,
Speaker 5: he goes off the back foot, he lobs it. It's
Speaker 5: Luke's Schoolmaker. Schoolmaker makes the play and gets the first
Speaker 5: down move to chains. Those kind of plays shows me,
Speaker 5: show me that more reps equal more composure. But unfortunately
Speaker 5: for Trey Lance, you only have maybe four quarters if
Speaker 5: they give him this entire game against the and they
Speaker 5: should and they should, but he only has let's say
Speaker 5: three or four quarters more before he doesn't take another
Speaker 5: step for the Cowboys this season, ideally and ideally being
Speaker 5: that Dak Prescott remains healthy the entire season.
Speaker 6: I remember you turning me in the press box after
Speaker 6: that schoonmaker lob. Yeah, and you're like, that's football. Well,
Speaker 6: that's how you play. That's the touch. Don't try to
Speaker 6: do too much. You know the guys already run. His
Speaker 6: route is right there for you. Just give him the
Speaker 6: Dwayne Wade. Let him lebron that thing. So in addition
Speaker 6: to this, though, you also need a really good running game.
Speaker 6: And after this break, we need to discuss the running
Speaker 6: back battle as it were, and who makes the cut
Speaker 6: for the final rosters.
Speaker 7: We'll be right back after these messages.
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Speaker 7: No, I'm pandering. I'm pandering eight these oats.
Speaker 1: We got gonna go this rundown.
Speaker 7: The running back battle. We saw Malik Davis, we saw
Speaker 7: Duce Vaughan, we saw Royce Freeman. Snoop Connor.
Speaker 6: What did you see from the running back room on Saturday?
Speaker 5: I saw that the the decisions to come as far
Speaker 5: as cutting down the roster for the running backs gonna
Speaker 5: be that much more challenging. Duce Vaughan, you know, he
Speaker 5: came out firing. He had missed the preseason opener with
Speaker 5: the hamstring injury, had missed several practices with that hamstring injury.
Speaker 5: Royce Freeman also missed the preseason opener and several practices
Speaker 5: his was with a groin injury. Both of those guys
Speaker 5: showed up against the Raiders, and they played very well.
Speaker 5: Duce Vaughan was able to not only show his shiftiness
Speaker 5: and his quickness that we've all become accustomed to seeing
Speaker 5: at at Kansas State, but he also showed some power.
Speaker 5: Talk about the run where he was contacted a yard
Speaker 5: or two behind the line of scrimmage. Powers through one guy,
Speaker 5: powers through two guys, turns it into a two or
Speaker 5: three yard game. Talked to the after the game and
Speaker 5: asked him about that newfound power. He said it was
Speaker 5: a focus for him this offseason, building his strength, building
Speaker 5: his power so he can do more dirty runs. And again,
Speaker 5: Royce Freeman was obviously built to do the dirty run.
Speaker 5: So you now have two running backs that are showing
Speaker 5: some great things. In addition to you already know who
Speaker 5: your two starters are. It's Rico and it's Zeke Hunter.
Speaker 5: Lipkey is gonna be in the mix as well. Question
Speaker 5: is how many running backs are you going to carry?
Speaker 7: And that's the conversation, how in the runtingbacks are carrying?
Speaker 3: First of all, let me ask, let me answer the questions.
Speaker 3: I got one as of the question. Shout out to
Speaker 3: Cooper Bbe. Shout out the Tyler guy. Do that, shout
Speaker 3: out to the young offensive lineman. One reason why I
Speaker 3: think the Cowboys felt the running game would be better
Speaker 3: this year is the blocking would be better. Yes, sir,
Speaker 3: you know, and that starts up you know, there was
Speaker 3: always questions about the the dynamic of the backfield.
Speaker 7: So are you saying an improvement over the center position
Speaker 7: from last year.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Already we got to run that take.
Speaker 7: Because he fought me on that.
Speaker 3: List. Listen, I said one thing the Cowboys talked about.
Speaker 1: I was with him though, uh and you.
Speaker 3: Don't know, you don't know how fast Cooper's gonna you know,
Speaker 3: you know, And I talked to you know. One thing
Speaker 3: I've said all summer, and I've said this on the show,
Speaker 3: Cooper Baby is the biggest strongest center the Cowboys have
Speaker 3: had since Andre.
Speaker 1: G That's right, you just said under draw.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm talking about biggest strongest center they've had.
Speaker 3: That certain Frederick was the best, but I'm just talking
Speaker 3: a big strengths. And he's nasty, you know, and and
Speaker 3: and and so you liked that. It was about how
Speaker 3: fast he could develop, you know. But any optimism of
Speaker 3: the running game was not just about the back It
Speaker 3: was about being better up front. Is blocking and certainly
Speaker 3: Zach Martin's gonna be better, you know, because he didn't
Speaker 3: have to hold out. Tyler Smith is one of the
Speaker 3: best of the league. Tyler Guiden is a better blocker
Speaker 3: than Tyren Smith in the run game. In the run game, okay,
Speaker 3: and so and Sirtle Terrece Steel is gonna be better
Speaker 3: coming off to the injury, So the blocking was gonna
Speaker 3: be better. So now we understand that that's part of
Speaker 3: the run game thing, that where the Cowboys can think
Speaker 3: that they can be functional in the run game. The
Speaker 3: question I have always had about the run game was
Speaker 3: who's gonna be the dynamic form? But I think they'll
Speaker 3: be better toward the goal line. Okay, But there was
Speaker 3: a lot of there's not a lot of juice, you know,
Speaker 3: and certainly Deuce showed you he gives you that jewe.
Speaker 3: No one else really gives you that burst, right you know, Rico, I.
Speaker 5: Was gonna say, I'm gonna disagree because I think with
Speaker 5: this improved blocking, I think you're going to see more
Speaker 5: burst from Rico.
Speaker 3: I think that I think what Rico has to do
Speaker 3: is stay healthy, which one he has been with his
Speaker 3: care even last year that it was injured.
Speaker 5: He did play the most of the majority of last season,
Speaker 5: so he's trending in the right direction there.
Speaker 3: But so I'm just how improving burst you know the
Speaker 3: Tony policy, you know that big player that was there
Speaker 3: was a question by the Steel court it's about the
Speaker 3: big play in the backfield. Uh, certainly. Again, you saw
Speaker 3: some of their case they juice from Deuce and you
Speaker 3: saw what he The question remains.
Speaker 1: The numbers.
Speaker 3: Who you keep? How do you find a role for him?
Speaker 3: I think that Roys Freemans on his team. I think
Speaker 3: Zeke's on this team. I think Rico Daldos on his team.
Speaker 1: Now Hunters on this on the team.
Speaker 3: So what do you do? How do you how do
Speaker 3: you make it work? I got a question for you.
Speaker 3: What's the difference between Ross Freeman and Zeke?
Speaker 1: The jersey number?
Speaker 3: How about running down?
Speaker 5: It's not entirely different. Zeke is more proven though he
Speaker 5: has the skins on the wall. That's the biggest difference.
Speaker 5: Has the pedigree. I agree the relationships with.
Speaker 3: All of that.
Speaker 5: So, so all things being equal, if it were between
Speaker 5: Zeke and Royce, I'm asking you that is that what
Speaker 5: you're asking then I'm taking Zay.
Speaker 3: Remember ever to saying up. But but right now we're
Speaker 3: keeping both all three on the roster, and I'm saying, dude,
Speaker 3: you know, if you're trying to find that other dynamic.
Speaker 3: Maybe you know, somebody gets cut. You know, how do
Speaker 3: you shape up this backfield? So I think there are
Speaker 3: a lot of decisions that have to make it running back,
Speaker 3: a lot of tough decisions. Certainly how you find a
Speaker 3: way for and can you get deuce on the practice
Speaker 3: card if that's what you want to do.
Speaker 1: You probably could have before you know the Raiders game.
Speaker 3: How do you find a way to make all this work?
Speaker 3: And even if you make all this work, is it
Speaker 3: going to be good enough? Because I still think there's
Speaker 3: that question down in and down out. I think they'll
Speaker 3: be better toward the goal line. Between the twenties, there's
Speaker 3: still the big, proven, big play lacking in the backfield.
Speaker 5: And Chill brings up a great point and we talked
Speaker 5: about this last night on Camping Out. If you missed
Speaker 5: that episode, go back through Dallas Cowboys social media make
Speaker 5: sure you catch up on that. But we were talking
Speaker 5: about one of the problems with the Cowboys rushing attack
Speaker 5: last season was in fact the offensive line, and it
Speaker 5: was a myriad of injuries over the first several weeks
Speaker 5: to start the season. Chemistry wasn't really established because the
Speaker 5: guys were having to plug and play, and that's how
Speaker 5: we got to find out, Hey TJ. Bass is a gamer.
Speaker 5: Hey brock Hoffman can play some ball at the NFL level.
Speaker 5: But now you're talking about going into this Raiders game
Speaker 5: and you have Tyler Goyton who's coming along extremely quickly
Speaker 5: in his transition to left tackle, Cooper Bebe's coming along
Speaker 5: extremely quickly in his transition to center, and then Tyler
Speaker 5: Smith's going to be on his left like Mart's going
Speaker 5: to be on his right. Terrence Steele, Uh so much
Speaker 5: time now removed from the torn acl So just by default, regardless,
Speaker 5: before you even start talking about who's running the ball,
Speaker 5: you got to acknowledge that what they're running behind is
Speaker 5: going to be greatly improved.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's that.
Speaker 5: Also, shouts out to Cooper BB and Tyler Goyton because
Speaker 5: those are some serial killers.
Speaker 3: And we left don Leek Gavis, who m McCarthys is
Speaker 3: having a great camp, his best camps, he's been there.
Speaker 3: And we left Leak Davis. He started the game, he
Speaker 3: was solid.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think the Cowboys carry four which includes Hunter lip Key,
Speaker 5: which is technically a fullback, and then they try to
Speaker 5: get too on the pre.
Speaker 3: So and this is the other dynamic we're talking about,
Speaker 3: suposed to teams who they're gonna put two back there.
Speaker 1: Oh you mean back then, so along.
Speaker 5: I think it's a rotation, my guess, speculator speculation. I
Speaker 5: think it's a rotation of Douce and Rico, depending on
Speaker 5: what Bones wants to do on that particular return, because
Speaker 5: that that extra person has to do I have on
Speaker 5: the team. Okay, since I have, I have on the team.
Speaker 5: So in that capacity five running back. Well, you said
Speaker 5: you're keeping Royce. Yes, that's your depth job. I had
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 3: My I listened to I listened to the Cowboys, and
Speaker 3: they have nothing but said nothing but agreed.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: That that's all that. And that's also I cannot believe
Speaker 3: he's out there, I can, you know.
Speaker 5: And that's also and that's also true of Elite Davis
Speaker 5: as well son. But now I say that to say,
Speaker 5: if you're going strictly off of that chill, strictly off
Speaker 5: of the praise that they've been getting Elite Davis and
Speaker 5: Royce Freeman, and they have been, and rightfully so, they've
Speaker 5: been doing some work out here in camp. Are you
Speaker 5: saying that Malie Davis's praise from Stephen Jones, Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 5: Jerry Jones is not enough to overcome a Royce Freeman
Speaker 5: getting on the roster. So that's what I mean, as
Speaker 5: well as they're doing. The numbers are the number I
Speaker 5: think Royce was.
Speaker 3: I think Royce's head league had ground the game is
Speaker 3: because he's been he's been losing to Rico down in
Speaker 3: the last two years.
Speaker 1: The numbers of the numbers, you know, if I.
Speaker 3: Had to, you know, so I like I said, I
Speaker 3: think Ross is on the team. I think Royce, Rico
Speaker 3: and there's on the team and running back and then
Speaker 3: you'll see what you got there. I asked about that.
Speaker 7: That's five?
Speaker 3: Then no, yeah, he has five because he had dues
Speaker 3: on the team.
Speaker 1: No, I have because you have you have five, you
Speaker 1: have five, I have four. Here has four. I have four.
Speaker 1: I have Zeke, Rico, Hunter and Deuce. And then I
Speaker 1: have to I.
Speaker 3: Don't have du on the team.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I have I.
Speaker 7: So you're you're taking no.
Speaker 1: No, you said Zeke, Rico, Royce Hunter, and that's it. Okay.
Speaker 3: So so because that's why product is going to I
Speaker 3: don't do some practice.
Speaker 1: No you have, Oh you had Deuce on the practice square.
Speaker 3: You had, I said that question.
Speaker 5: So we swapped because I have Royce on the practice squad,
Speaker 5: Deuce on the active. You Chill has Deuce on the
Speaker 5: practice squad, Royce on the active Fair enough, Okay.
Speaker 3: That's what I was runnering about.
Speaker 1: I was like five, I'm not carrying five.
Speaker 3: But anyway, again again, and let's be honest about this,
Speaker 3: they're compete with each other. Yes, they are also with
Speaker 3: backs on other teams. And we are not watching the
Speaker 3: preseason games seeing what other backs are doing, who might
Speaker 3: get cut and stuff like that. So it's still a
Speaker 3: work in progress. Again, decisions, you know, tough decisions. I'm
Speaker 3: this game. I was looking at that. The Cowboys have
Speaker 3: tough decisions to make at tight end. And how many
Speaker 3: of you keep that tough decisions make you know, certainly
Speaker 3: running back, and we can talk about safety and cornerback
Speaker 3: and linebacker of course.
Speaker 1: Well laughing inside joke.
Speaker 5: Yesterday, Josh and I we were having a conversation pool
Speaker 5: side and we're sitting here and I tasked tasked Josh
Speaker 5: with giving me his fifty three man roster, and oh,
Speaker 5: he's just he's chopping names.
Speaker 1: Down real, real easily.
Speaker 5: When it got when it got from ninety to eighty
Speaker 5: and then the seventy five, okay, when it got down
Speaker 5: to like fifty six, fifty five, fifty three, this was Josh,
Speaker 5: Who do I say, Do I want to run heavy
Speaker 5: on safety? What about my D line? I'm too light
Speaker 5: on D line. That's all part of the how many
Speaker 5: people you keep It's not easy.
Speaker 6: One word pain, pain is absolute pain. All right, I
Speaker 6: do have one more offensive question. I am a whole lie,
Speaker 6: a whole lie. I'm a whole lie.
Speaker 7: Because I said I was done with the offensive questions.
Speaker 7: But I do have one more.
Speaker 6: We had Ryan Floroy's first touchdown catch in the game.
Speaker 6: It was a great pass from a tree, Lance, like
Speaker 6: you said, to have to touch on it. I'm just
Speaker 6: I'm sort of confused by this wide receiver group, aside
Speaker 6: from your top guys, aside from CD, aside from Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, and I love Cropper and I love what
Speaker 3: he's done in practice, what he's done in the game.
Speaker 7: That is what is confusing me. Like, where where is Jailey?
Speaker 7: Where are the Jalens?
Speaker 5: No Brooks, Brooks, where is the Jaylen, where's the Tobert
Speaker 5: is in bubble wrap? For good reason? Played Brooks is
Speaker 5: going to make this team. I cannot stress this out.
Speaker 3: They should have made they catch it the first Boks.
Speaker 1: But Brooks is going to make this team.
Speaker 5: Okay, But because he also has film game from last
Speaker 5: season and he's been one of the stand ups. So
Speaker 5: Jalen Brooks is proven that he's not just a camp superstar.
Speaker 5: He can play at a high level. Jalen Cropper is
Speaker 5: taking a step back unfortunately, and the games and the
Speaker 5: problem with that for Jalen Cropper is a guy like
Speaker 5: Kelvin Harmon is now gaining ground.
Speaker 1: And Ryan Flinoy Obviously you're not going to cut your
Speaker 1: your rookie.
Speaker 5: He's not showing and now Flinoy is definitely showing after
Speaker 5: coming back from an injury he was dealing with in
Speaker 5: training camp.
Speaker 1: But when you talk about the wide.
Speaker 5: Receiver room, things are shifting below Jalen Brooks, I got
Speaker 5: I got my top set right. So my top set
Speaker 5: is Cede Lamb, it's Brandon Cooks, it's Jalen Tobert, it's
Speaker 5: Jalen Brooks, It's Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 1: That's five. Are you running six? Are you running seven?
Speaker 1: That's the question.
Speaker 5: But as far as wide receiver sixth is concerned, that's
Speaker 5: gonna have to be a special teams guy who can
Speaker 5: also contribute at times on offense. I'm seeing it from
Speaker 5: Kevin Harmon, I'm seeing it from Ryan Flinoyd and.
Speaker 6: On special teams. I mean that that that that play
Speaker 6: where he fumbles.
Speaker 3: The last week it got.
Speaker 5: He also had to drop across the middle and I
Speaker 5: said it in real time.
Speaker 7: It's a bad pass.
Speaker 5: But no, I said it in real time. And we
Speaker 5: talk about two things being true. This is a situation
Speaker 5: where two things are true. That was an accuracy issue
Speaker 5: on that throw from Trey Lance hit him in stride,
Speaker 5: not behind him, especially when the defender is on his
Speaker 5: back hip, in his back pocket.
Speaker 1: He was receiver.
Speaker 5: Didn't do Jaalen Cropper any favors on that throw. It's
Speaker 5: also true that Jalen Cropper returned that by not doing
Speaker 5: a favor for his quarterback and bringing that in because
Speaker 5: it was still a catchable pass. So on both ends,
Speaker 5: the toss and the catch, things didn't go well.
Speaker 3: And when you're trying to make the team, you don't
Speaker 3: get the benefit of that.
Speaker 6: You do not you know, so I'm also looking to
Speaker 6: it turn Billy Johnson talked about him very highly on
Speaker 6: the in the past, the show and also not showing
Speaker 6: up in the preseason, and.
Speaker 3: What I said last week, what did you say last week?
Speaker 7: Remind the people.
Speaker 3: If it's even I'm leaving Ron Billy Jobson got taping
Speaker 3: this league. He's been in the league. He can he
Speaker 3: has to excel among the young guys.
Speaker 1: Where's his targets?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But that's the part.
Speaker 7: Is getting open.
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying to the open guy,
Speaker 3: ain't nobody got no favors out of here. Ain't nobody
Speaker 3: the number one receiver? You know, I don't think we
Speaker 3: we leaning towards somebody. You know. You know, you get open,
Speaker 3: they gonna try to get you the ball.
Speaker 1: Agree.
Speaker 5: But I think what's also what comes into playing that
Speaker 5: and to play when you have that conversation is who
Speaker 5: is the quarterback? How quickly can they process go through
Speaker 5: their reads and their progressions. And we're talking about trade
Speaker 5: needing more reps for those types of reasons to be
Speaker 5: able to process more quickly and have more composure.
Speaker 1: And I say that to say.
Speaker 5: That means that at this point he's still working on
Speaker 5: the composure. He's still working on processing quickly. So there
Speaker 5: are times where yeah, I've seen Tyran Billy Johnson open,
Speaker 5: but the read, I mean, the progression doesn't happen quickly
Speaker 5: enough and and then the throw doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: And he's a guy who would be when we're talking
Speaker 3: about specially, he will be a candidate to be a
Speaker 3: kick returner, you know, and you have to and he
Speaker 3: certainly he could do the coverage stuff, but you needed
Speaker 3: to be dynamic. It makes them and make make me
Speaker 3: have to.
Speaker 7: Keep you, yeah, you know, and he's not doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not making you have to keep him at
Speaker 3: this point. Again, you just the other guys have so
Speaker 3: much more upside.
Speaker 5: Listen, but Ryan Flinoyd four catches on six targets for
Speaker 5: you know, twenty three yards and he got the touchdown. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and if I'm not mistaken, wasn't it all on one drive?
Speaker 5: So Finoyd can get the job done. And he is
Speaker 5: and he is if you're talking about just the metrics,
Speaker 5: he is arguably the most athletic, freakish athletic guy on
Speaker 5: the roster. Just go look at his alres score coming
Speaker 5: into this this year's draft.
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Speaker 6: Defense defense, defense, defense, Let's finish this out strong and
Speaker 6: maybe a little special. Teams, but keep on Hall with
Speaker 6: pick six almost Willie Harvey with a.
Speaker 7: How are we feel about the defense?
Speaker 5: I'm feeling they are continuing to take the ball away
Speaker 5: Like we talked about on the last episode. This is uh,
Speaker 5: you know, coming off with the Dan Quinn arrow going
Speaker 5: into the Mike Zimmer ear. You know, question was could
Speaker 5: this defense continue to take the ball away and they're
Speaker 5: showing they can.
Speaker 7: It's a small, simple size, but it is a simple size.
Speaker 1: And it was also against NFL starters last week.
Speaker 5: So Willie Harvey almost got his pick six in the
Speaker 5: first quarter, also had a second pass breakup in the
Speaker 5: first quarter. So he's you know, had a good bounce
Speaker 5: back game over what he put out there against the Rams.
Speaker 5: I still have him as my plus one even more
Speaker 5: so now, but keep an eye on Nick Vigil as
Speaker 5: someone who could probably disrupt that. But Keemon Hall, here's
Speaker 5: another potential ball hawk because of a guy like Al
Speaker 5: Harris and obviously the work ethic for Kemon Hall as well,
Speaker 5: and he's been working hard.
Speaker 1: His journey.
Speaker 5: You talk about Tyrn Billy Johnson, Kemon Hall's journey has
Speaker 5: not been friendly in the NFL. He's been on several teams,
Speaker 5: two stints with the Los Angeles Chargers, who he will
Speaker 5: go up against to try to earn a roster spot
Speaker 5: here in a few days, claimed off of waivers from
Speaker 5: the forty nine ers, only a short stay with the
Speaker 5: forty nine ers. Put him with Mike Zimmer, put him
Speaker 5: with Al Harris, and what does he get? He gets
Speaker 5: a sixty nine yard touchdown return takes that to the
Speaker 5: house against a O'Connell. So I mean, this Cowboys team
Speaker 5: is taking the ball away and we'll see how that
Speaker 5: continues once they start to go up against consistent starters
Speaker 5: week after week after week. But at the same time,
Speaker 5: you can't you can't not what are we talking? Five
Speaker 5: interceptions including the pick six in seventh quarter the first
Speaker 5: seven quarters of preseason playing.
Speaker 3: So you're telling me, tell me what I'm talking, Tell
Speaker 3: me what I'm telling You're telling me Dan Whuin didn't
Speaker 3: invent a reception, apparently not.
Speaker 1: But you know where that comes from. It comes from.
Speaker 1: It comes from years under no shade thrown.
Speaker 5: But let's say Rob Marinelli regime, we're takeaways were few
Speaker 5: rocks of water in the drop, some war drop. But
Speaker 5: you understand what ball guys?
Speaker 3: Okay, you got you got guys that couldn't catch the cold,
Speaker 3: but nothing Alaska. That's why they played demons a back.
Speaker 3: Excuse me?
Speaker 1: Can I say that you just did?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just saying, let's let's be honest. We are
Speaker 3: we agreed the cornerback from Colorado third round pick with
Speaker 3: the Cincinnati Oh that's second second round pick, cornerback Colorado
Speaker 3: trying to corner back, left cornerback. He was always around.
Speaker 3: It's never could turn and make his play. Huh.
Speaker 7: He know he said he went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the name? Was always in position, wasn't he?
Speaker 1: Yeah, past break your move, that's past breakup.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, no, listen this it helps when you
Speaker 3: got guys that can catch them.
Speaker 5: I'm qualifying it for the Cowboys fans, because the Cowboys fans, I.
Speaker 3: Know, the Cowboys p seven, Oh dang Quinny doing all
Speaker 3: this stuff. They got guys that catch the ball. I
Speaker 3: mean these came here, been able to catch the ball. Yes,
Speaker 3: he said, me came in and there to catch the ball.
Speaker 3: Blad came in and there to catch the ball. Dig
Speaker 3: he was a former receiver. You know they haven't guy
Speaker 3: to catch the ball.
Speaker 5: Please, it's just fans, you know, being afraid of going backward,
Speaker 5: and that the point being is they're not.
Speaker 3: So while we talk about players, and I think those
Speaker 3: players did show up. And I really liked, uh the
Speaker 3: opening drive of the game, you know, and Willie Harvey
Speaker 3: picked six right there. What I liked about it though,
Speaker 3: was the scheme was Zimmer's defense. He was in the
Speaker 3: right position. They had him on third down, and the
Speaker 3: starting quarterback for the Raiders had no answers and the
Speaker 3: Zimmer scheme flustered and throwing to a pick six to
Speaker 3: two a backup linebacker. You know, we should have had it.
Speaker 3: So what I saw in the game was I saw
Speaker 3: this defense taking heat to zimmer schemes against their starting offense.
Speaker 3: Two quarterbacks who were vine for the starting job scored
Speaker 3: six points in the first half. You know, one of
Speaker 3: the guys who was starting job gave up to pick six.
Speaker 3: To me, it was about wasn't about the Jimmis and Joe's.
Speaker 3: It was about zimmer scheme. And you saw how his
Speaker 3: bliss packages and his coverages, and you know they gave
Speaker 3: They gave up to big forty six, so I catch,
Speaker 3: gave up a big punt return, gave up fumble. Defense
Speaker 3: tightened up, And that was more about them taking to
Speaker 3: Zimmer's scheme and what they're trying to do and what
Speaker 3: they're asking them to do. And if you can do
Speaker 3: that with the backups, it's be pretty good with the start.
Speaker 5: It's it's definitely the exras and o's and we've seen
Speaker 5: that over the course of camp, I mean, has been
Speaker 5: making life a living hell for quarterbacks not named Dak Prescott.
Speaker 3: And that's one of the things that when the Cowboys
Speaker 3: optimistican looking, one of the people to criticize them, and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stand on that. They criticized them for not
Speaker 3: doing anything in the offseason. And one thing that Jerry
Speaker 3: and Steven talked about their biggest free acquisition with Mike
Speaker 3: zimmer and highest scheme was gonna make a difference. I said,
Speaker 3: y'all asking zimba the bill, but just you know, we'll
Speaker 3: see in the record season because you still have to
Speaker 3: do it in Cleveland, stopping and run against the Browns,
Speaker 3: the team that lights to run the ball on the road.
Speaker 3: A lot to tell, But that's one reason why the
Speaker 3: Cowboys felt they could be better with their current crop
Speaker 3: is because the scheme and the teaching and the fundamentals
Speaker 3: and the defense and you know, the foundation of defense
Speaker 3: was gonna be better.
Speaker 5: And also because as much as it is about the
Speaker 5: ex's and o's, there were some Jimmies and joes that
Speaker 5: showed up. If you go back and look at the
Speaker 5: pick six from Keiman Hall, he was in position right
Speaker 5: where he needed to be. That's Mike Zimmer. He got
Speaker 5: the interception finished to play. That's absolutely on Keeman. He
Speaker 5: got that job done. But look at what caused that, right,
Speaker 5: the edges were collapsed by Darrell Johnson and Aqm al
Speaker 5: Kaudem Mohammad and then al Quadem Mohammad. He puts his
Speaker 5: arm up in the viewing window of O'Connell. So not
Speaker 5: only is it a high pressure throw, but it's not
Speaker 5: a clear line of sight. So everybody did their job.
Speaker 5: Mike Zimmer, great scheme, great play call there, the defensive
Speaker 5: ends collapse, did what they were supposed to do, and
Speaker 5: then Kemon Hall did the rest. As long as all
Speaker 5: pieces are firing, all cylinders are firing like that going
Speaker 5: forward week after week, the takeaways are not going to
Speaker 5: go down. As a matter of fact, that might turn
Speaker 5: up a bit because they're doing this and Treyvon Diggs
Speaker 5: hasn't taken the feel yet.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and I think I think it also lends itself
Speaker 6: to the linebacker room as well. If you look at
Speaker 6: last year over this year and you see how they've
Speaker 6: built it up. And I don't think the fans overall,
Speaker 6: I don't think the narrative is there that we've done
Speaker 6: anything in free agency, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 6: if you look at just that room, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 6: this is they kind of built this from the ground
Speaker 6: up due to Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and don't forget about Kayln Carson. He missed the
Speaker 5: game against the Raiders because he's dealing with a wisdom
Speaker 5: tooth that he had to have attracked to put Kayln
Speaker 5: Carson Seatpelt. He's he's in the mix heavily as well.
Speaker 3: From the outside though, and it's gonna going to defend
Speaker 3: us from the outside. You know, you have to question
Speaker 3: unproven guys. Of course you say whatever, But in the
Speaker 3: I'm a big I'm a big Texas guy, right you,
Speaker 3: I'm a big demo guy, right really, But he hadn't
Speaker 3: played yet. Yeah, so until so you had done nothing
Speaker 3: to improve the linebacker room, right on paper? Well on paper?
Speaker 13: I got this, okay on paper, you.
Speaker 3: Know, And so you got to show me I'm not
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: Purchasee I disagree, vehemently disagreed.
Speaker 3: And and here's why, show me my job to project positively.
Speaker 5: No, it's not projected positively. This is objective speaking. You're
Speaker 5: correct if you haven't shown it yet. I haven't seen
Speaker 5: it yet, and I'm as I'm more scientific than most,
Speaker 5: so I need to see it in order to use
Speaker 5: it as data. One agree there, but I believe that
Speaker 5: the sheer presence of the Marveion overshown on this roster.
Speaker 1: Improves the linebacker cores over what it was last.
Speaker 5: Year for a large because a large part of the
Speaker 5: reason it is because they didn't have linebackers. He's a linebacker.
Speaker 5: They didn't have linebackers last year. So even before you
Speaker 5: start wondering what Demo can do in the regular season,
Speaker 5: which is justifiable, the fact that he's healthy and present
Speaker 5: and accounted for in and of itself upgrades this linebacker.
Speaker 3: And we needed to stay I think point in play
Speaker 3: last week.
Speaker 13: But yes, a little there are some bubble wrapping in
Speaker 13: that we're like, we're not gonna they wasn't supposed to
Speaker 13: be unleached, you know, we bring along points that we
Speaker 13: haven't really seen.
Speaker 1: We want to coming.
Speaker 3: Okay, I understand that, So until it comes, but.
Speaker 1: On paper, it's better already. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if they got lineback, don't give me the sofa,
Speaker 5: just just say linebacker.
Speaker 3: But until you kind of do what you gotta do
Speaker 3: it on the field. You can look like a linebacker
Speaker 3: the records.
Speaker 1: Clarence agrees with me.
Speaker 3: Listen, give me the soft come on the moo, get
Speaker 3: it lined.
Speaker 5: Up before they take a snapping the regular season. On paper,
Speaker 5: it's better how it plays out with.
Speaker 1: Clark.
Speaker 3: Okay, there's two young guys who have not seen NFL schemeing. Okay,
Speaker 3: so they can look like it. You know, are they
Speaker 3: gonna process, They're gonna see it like they're supposed to
Speaker 3: see it in the real game against real NFL Just
Speaker 3: what that's you know, So you go back to the
Speaker 3: you know they have to be able to stop. Yes,
Speaker 3: you like the lare they are, But again it's unproven.
Speaker 5: Guy, which is what makes Eric Kendricks so valuable going
Speaker 5: into this year.
Speaker 6: All right, our final point, we need to get to
Speaker 6: Brandon Aubrey. Let's do a little special teams. Sixty six
Speaker 6: yard field goal, the longest field goal I believe in
Speaker 6: NFL history.
Speaker 7: I mean, granted's preseason. It doesn't count. Time for the
Speaker 7: longest doesn't necessarily count.
Speaker 1: Count because it don't count.
Speaker 7: Don't it don't count.
Speaker 1: It don't count. It would have been good from sephanty two.
Speaker 1: Are you lasting me?
Speaker 3: Count?
Speaker 1: I know it, don't I know? But are you kidding me?
Speaker 7: Thanks for talking? To listen to talking, Count?
Speaker 3: I mean Tony Dows says not no yard, rock could
Speaker 3: have been hundred ten if the field with longer.
Speaker 1: That's so unk talking.
Speaker 5: That's talking from the cookout next to the grill with
Speaker 5: the slides on, with the sandals on.
Speaker 1: Just whip.
Speaker 3: But I gave him credit for what he went through. Again.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because last week he was human
Speaker 3: indoors miss sixty five yard sixty five Yeah, miss sixt
Speaker 3: five yard. It was a bad miss for him because
Speaker 3: it was short. You know, he was a bad miss
Speaker 3: for him. You know, the guy. You know, it's nothing.
Speaker 3: Last year he got some dead stream, you know, And
Speaker 3: and then he had to run out the building.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get on the.
Speaker 3: Plane like I would say, Oh, Jap, we can't say
Speaker 3: that a mode. Oh you used to run through the airports.
Speaker 3: He can't. We can't say you run. You can't can't
Speaker 3: say that no more. He had to run to get
Speaker 3: to the airport see his baby boy.
Speaker 1: But so what I'm going to assume is that because
Speaker 1: he had the birth of his child, on his mind.
Speaker 1: He missed the sixty five yard. His child was born
Speaker 1: named Coke, Coulton. Coke is a coaching.
Speaker 3: Cold, Now it's Colton. I saw you tweeted Cold. He said, no,
Speaker 3: it was Colton because he said Colting, because he said,
Speaker 3: no one had that name. I know everybody. We know
Speaker 3: it is a coach McCoy and coach the Colts. But
Speaker 3: he's he said Colting because he said, no one had
Speaker 3: that name.
Speaker 1: Somebody's going to want to be the first.
Speaker 3: But his name is coach.
Speaker 5: His name is coaching, Yes, coating Aubrey, it's now here.
Speaker 5: And gave give him his dad some dad strength. So
Speaker 5: mister sixty five Yonder got it. You know his attribute
Speaker 5: went up. The plus two popped up over his head, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: and there plus two D plus two dad strength. The
Speaker 5: attribute with the slider one up a little bit from
Speaker 5: six to six.
Speaker 3: On grass, not on turf, which is important, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: on grass down on turf, certainly indoors. But you know,
Speaker 3: and yes.
Speaker 7: They will denigrating this whatever he is.
Speaker 3: No, no on grass is the benefit. No, he's a
Speaker 3: kick on turf. On grass that makes it tougher. That
Speaker 3: was not denigrading Okay, fair enough, listen to him. Now
Speaker 3: listen to fair enough.
Speaker 1: Listen listen to him.
Speaker 3: So uh he said he's kicking from seventy in practice, Yes,
Speaker 3: it would have been you know that. That's the far
Speaker 3: as he kicked in practice with seventy totals. But I
Speaker 3: mean sixty six yards, my god, here's my thing.
Speaker 1: And then I'll let you close it out.
Speaker 5: As much as we loved and enjoyed seeing that sixty
Speaker 5: six yarder that would have been good from seventy two
Speaker 5: based on nickt Gen stats, and as much as we
Speaker 5: love seeing how Brandon Aubrey is an absolute weapon from
Speaker 5: those types of distances, I would like to get the
Speaker 5: men in black neuralizer out and put it right in
Speaker 5: front of Mike McCarthy and say, forget that ever happened.
Speaker 1: Okay, go forward and be.
Speaker 5: More aggressive on third down, stretch the field, punch the
Speaker 5: ball in. Just forget that your kicker can do that,
Speaker 5: because I don't want you leaning on that at all.
Speaker 1: Disagree unless the games on theline.
Speaker 3: Disagree.
Speaker 1: The games on the line in that situation, in the line.
Speaker 3: And in the half situation. This was in the half situation.
Speaker 3: That's the perfect time to do it and what I
Speaker 3: liked about the whole play, and let's get back to
Speaker 3: Tray Last because Trey Lance third down makes that running
Speaker 3: because they get the ball back, they score a touchdown.
Speaker 3: We think, okay, Ford and now is going around the
Speaker 3: clock or not. The Raiders is gonna get the ball.
Speaker 3: They won't get the ball back. After the beautiful past
Speaker 3: the Florida they three and out, they get the ball back,
Speaker 3: they're backed up. Trey Last leads him on the drive
Speaker 3: and long third down play. He scrambles, goes for twenty
Speaker 3: of y'all, scrambler slides HiT's the time out. They get
Speaker 3: him on it, which was great by the way, you know,
Speaker 3: get him on the field to make that that's what
Speaker 3: you want to in the halves because no time was
Speaker 3: running out.
Speaker 1: Would you got that big leg in that short series?
Speaker 1: Would you not have taken at least one shot deep.
Speaker 3: They have They have called one shot. But was talking
Speaker 3: about the court again, what you're saying, I mean, no
Speaker 3: one's saying that we might McCart. They didn't call the shot.
Speaker 3: But what you were talking about the operation with that
Speaker 3: quarterback in him been in that situation for the first time,
Speaker 3: not wanting certainly to throw a pick six or do
Speaker 3: something to give them an easy score.
Speaker 5: But you're evaluating that quarterback right again, he dropped back
Speaker 5: and throw that bone, turn that ball over drunk, don't
Speaker 5: don't put us in the back the bottom not.
Speaker 3: We're evaluating him scrambling, getting the bagging that bag of
Speaker 3: the time out, getting the kicker on the field to
Speaker 3: make that That is a portion of evaluation by those
Speaker 3: two final drive that you you gotta be about what
Speaker 3: they did.
Speaker 5: It was fun, no doubt doing the games also true
Speaker 5: from the evaluation steam boy, you're evaluating trade take a shot.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. We
Speaker 1: know what Brandon Aubrey can do the game, have well,
Speaker 1: good looking out. Brandon was nasty. One booms dick out.
Speaker 7: Sounded like a mojo moment to me, guys, that's what
Speaker 7: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Show me trade booms, ditch booms.
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