1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Eric Schabez is here. Six time goal globber by the way, 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: very very illustrious big league career. Just was the hitting 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: coach for the Mets and they basically cleared house with 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: most of their coaching staff. 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: Eric. 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: First off, great to have you on the show. Thanks 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: for joining us. You have some people that know you 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: better than I do, who are big fans of you. 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 3: How you doing, Bronnie, how you guys doing? Thanks for 10 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: having me on. Yeah, taking you guys a long long 11 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: time to get me on your aj What the heck, dude? 12 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: What do you want me to say? Bro? 13 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 4: If you were in Moneyball and then they would have 14 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 4: made a movie, a terrible movie about you, then we 15 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 4: would have had you on sooner. But you know, Scott 16 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 4: Haddiberg hasn't been on either, so let's be honest. 17 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: I mean that movie. 18 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 4: If they would have made the Moneyball movie about Eric 19 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 4: Shaviz and now he won gold Gloves and hit a 20 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,319 Speaker 4: ball off Joe Mays in that series and went nine 21 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 4: hundred feet, but it didn't didn't even mention you, so 22 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 4: you know what, you had to wait your turn. 23 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 3: We were so close, the players were so close to 24 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: being in that movie. There was I don't know if 25 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 3: it was the Players Association or Mlbuh couldn't settle on 26 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 3: a on a dollar value. But I would have done 27 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: that thing for free and been in that movie. No, no, 28 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: no questions asked. But uh, yeah, that would have been cool. 29 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: It's a great movie. Uh. You know, did you hear 30 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 3: David Did you hear David Justice's interviewed the other day 31 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: and they asked him how real was it? He goes, 32 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 3: not at all. But the problem was is they all 33 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: they got? They got the perspective of Billy Bean, but 34 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 3: they didn't ask any of the players what went down. 35 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: So it was kind of a one sided, uh, one 36 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: sided opinion on that movie. 37 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: Ay J, you know what, go ahead for the first 38 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: couple of minutes. Then we'll get into I gotta leave, 39 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: get your questions in on Moneyball and all that, and 40 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 1: then we can get. 41 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: To the rest. 42 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, then we'll go. Then we'll go to other things. 43 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 4: But here's my thing on Moneyball. You know what they 44 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: should have done. They should have made a movie about 45 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 4: the Minnesota Twins that year. You know what, I'm sorry, Shelby, 46 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 4: I love you to death, and you know we became buddies. 47 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 4: We went to Japan after that year. But you know, 48 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 4: we ended the winning streak wed the season and I 49 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 4: didn't even get credit, Like they made some bad looking 50 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 4: fella me as a catcher instead of me. They could 51 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 4: have called me and I would have jumped up and 52 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 4: down an Oakland colliseem again. 53 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: It would have been and then it would have been 54 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: a cool movie. But no movie about y'all. 55 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: Aj, you killed us. You absolutely you talk about you 56 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 3: talk about getting the hits and home runs at the 57 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: right time in the ball game. Oh my god, AJ, 58 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 3: you killed honestly. But but here's here's the deal. I 59 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: think they should have made a movie about theo Epstein, 60 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 3: the fact of what he did in Boston and Chicago, 61 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: because everything we do is about winning, winning the World Series, 62 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: and what THEO has done with those two organizations absolutely tremendous. 63 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 3: I felt like, if we're going to do a movie, 64 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: we should have done it about him. 65 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: It's true, I mean, Aj always he's he's a one 66 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: man wrecking machine. He's still crushing that A's team. Because 67 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: He'll bring this up to Mark Moulders were so good 68 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: a couple of times. It's a good point. We're so good, dude. 69 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: They were so good though. 70 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 4: I mean, listen, you had to go into the Collegeum 71 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 4: you got Hudson mulders Zito, okay, and then he had 72 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 4: Cotch in the back end, and then he had I 73 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 4: mean one time they had Johnbi tahata Chavi in the. 74 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: Middle of the lineup, Roberto Ramon Hernandez, who was very underrated. 75 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: As a player. 76 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you that right now was a 77 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 4: catcher in the player. That team was sick, dude, and 78 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 4: you went in there, and every time we went in there, 79 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 4: we'd lose. We'd get walked off at least once a series. 80 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 4: It was like, all right, someone's gonna do hit a homer, 81 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 4: walk us off and lose a ball in the sun. 82 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: Whatever it was. 83 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 4: It was incredible. That team was unbelievab. The fact that 84 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 4: that team never won still blows my mind. I'm sorry, hurts. 85 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 4: It blows my mind. 86 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: It still hurts to trust me. It hurts because we 87 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: felt that way too. But you know, it's not I 88 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: said this yesterday, it's not always the best team that wins. 89 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: It's a team that's playing the best. So that's why 90 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: these playoffs like you just never know, like, yeah, they're 91 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: they're on paper there's some some really big names and 92 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 3: some good teams, But it's about getting right, but getting 93 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: hot at the right moment and having things go your 94 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: way and having a little luck along the way. 95 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: All right, So let's get to the twenty twenty five 96 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: season here. Obviously for the Mets, it ended up in turbulence. 97 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: So tell us first, you know what happened at the 98 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: finish line with the team. We can ask about your 99 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: spot too, but what happened, I mean, it's really not 100 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: the finish line. It was over a pretty long stretch. 101 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,239 Speaker 1: You could call it a slow burn where the start 102 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: was so electric and then the team ran out of gas. 103 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, when you have a situation like this, 104 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: you know there's a lot that goes wrong. You can't 105 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 3: You're not going to be able to just pinpoint one thing, 106 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 3: you know. I think, first and foremost, I think the 107 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: players and uniform personnel have to take the brunt of it. 108 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: We felt like we had enough talent. It may have 109 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 3: not have been, you know, like the best equipped, balanced team, 110 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: but as far as talent to get you to the playoffs, 111 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: we felt like we had enough. So from a uniform personnel, 112 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: we failed to give you kind of more of an 113 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 3: in depth look of what happened. We just couldn't come 114 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 3: together collectively as a group. The pitchers did really well 115 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: in the first two months, the hitters were absent, the 116 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: hitters got hot, the pitchers were absent, and then the 117 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 3: defense kind of fell short towards the post All Star breaks. 118 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: So we just never came together. Though we spent a 119 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 3: lot of money. We had a lot of headlines this game. 120 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 3: This game, which is why we all love baseball. You're 121 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: not going to be able to just buy a World series. 122 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: Like a lot of things have to go right. You 123 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: got to develop, you got to have young players, You 124 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: got to draft well, you got to make good acquisitions 125 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 3: at the All Star break, you got to make sure 126 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: you don't trade the wrong guy to the wrong team, 127 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: and a lot everything went like everything we tried to 128 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: do just kind of went wrong. But the players in 129 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: the uniform and the staff in uniform have to take 130 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: the brunt of that, and that's we definitely felt like 131 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 3: we let the city down, and we definitely let the 132 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 3: owner down. I mean I have to speak volumes about 133 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 3: the owner. You know, obviously I came up in Oakland, 134 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: and you know, money wasn't thrown around at all, but 135 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: for for for mister Cohen and his wife Alex Cohen, 136 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 3: tremendous owners. I had a blast there for four years. 137 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: They they treated the families like royalty. The food there, 138 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: the staff there, the hotels, the travel, everything was first class. 139 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 3: So uh to to mister Cohen and Alex Cohen, I 140 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: want to say thank you. They do a tremendous job there, 141 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 3: and it's you know, any free agent you know, moving forward. 142 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 3: It's a good place to be. There's good people that 143 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 3: work there, and you know, for them, hopefully they can 144 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 3: win a world series pretty soon. 145 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: This episode of FT is presented by Fox one AJ. 146 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: If people have the Fox one app then they get 147 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: to listen to you, Adam, Wayne Right and Adam Amine 148 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: for one more game A game five five. 149 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 3: On Friday, all alone, Oh. 150 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 1: Yankees, blue Jays, Just your game A game five? 151 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: What time is that game? 152 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 4: Eightiestern so prime prime time in listen eighties. I'm pomped 153 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 4: man Friday. There's no other games. There's really not a 154 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 4: lot of college football on Friday night. It is baseball. 155 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 4: And we complained there was no games on a Friday 156 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 4: night before. 157 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: Well, guess what you get? 158 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 3: Game five My question is this going to be the 159 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 3: only Game five? 160 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 4: Because I don't know. Do we think the Phillies get 161 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 4: it done? But I love the fact that we get 162 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: a Game five I've done. This will be my third 163 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 4: Game five I've got to do. They are awesome, they 164 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 4: are fun. My first two years I did this, I 165 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 4: got to do Game five and I haven't had one since. 166 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 4: So guys are pretty excited about it. The crew is 167 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 4: super excited about can to do a winn or take 168 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 4: all game? 169 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:42,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fun. 170 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: Crazy things happen, right, we'll probably see. 171 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: Manager's panic, like nobody, oh my gosh. 172 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: Decision scrutinized. So we're excited about it. We'll be watching 173 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: and listening to you guys. 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The pictures were not. 185 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 5: Can you talk about that as a coach? That angst 186 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 5: in the clubhouse in the sense of like you're working 187 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 5: with the hitters all day flip and talking to them 188 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 5: check out the iPad and they're. 189 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: Like, ah, man, we just scored four. 190 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 5: We're down five to four right now, Like, can you 191 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 5: talk about that? And was that present and how do 192 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 5: you stop that to be able to move on and 193 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 5: play together collectively. 194 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: As a group. 195 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: No, No, not at all. I mean I can honestly 196 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 3: say this, like the group of guys that we had 197 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 3: in that room were true professionals. 198 00:08:59,000 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: Uh. 199 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: One of the things they always talked about in that 200 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 3: clubhouse was having each other's back through through thick and 201 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: thin and good times and bad times. I never heard 202 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 3: any of those things. The pitchers weren't complaining about the 203 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: hitters early in the year, and then when the pitchers struggled, 204 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: you know, I think the hitters were like, yeah, they 205 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: picked us up for two months we got to get 206 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: it going. So it was it was a good clubhouse 207 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 3: and that standpoint. You know, I actually apologize in the 208 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: beginning of the year to to Hefner our pitching coach. 209 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: I was like, sorry, half these guys will get going 210 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: here pretty soon. And it was just it's just one 211 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 3: of those things. You know, Baseball is a funny game. 212 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: It's you could spend money, you can get all the 213 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: good players you want, but you know, clubhouse camaraderie. Uh, 214 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 3: you know, the year before we had Iglesias and Jad 215 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: Martinez that kind of unified that clubhouse. And and you 216 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 3: know you can't you have to organically make those things happen. 217 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 3: You can't just force them into a clubhouse. So those 218 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: things have to happen organically. And I think with those two, 219 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: with those two personalities, it was it was a great blend. 220 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: And for whatever reason this year, you know, the things 221 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: were bad, we always felt like we were gonna be 222 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: able to kind of turn the switch on and get going, 223 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 3: and it just never never really happened. You know, I 224 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: feel bad for it, Like I said, I they you know, 225 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: Stern's made a lot of acquisitions for us at the 226 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: at the break, and you know, none of them really 227 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: worked out that well. And we had a lot of 228 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: injuries like most teams do. But no matter what, we 229 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: still feel like we had enough talent. We just could 230 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 3: not get over the hump. We had moments of greatness 231 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: where we'd go on on a on a tear for 232 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: about two weeks, and then we'd lose eight nine in 233 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: a row. And we did that about three or four 234 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: times this year, and it's just you can't go through 235 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: this type of losing streak. So yeah, it's you know, 236 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: it was unfortunate situation. You know, I'm pulling for him. 237 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: I love a lot of guys in those clubhouse, but 238 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: you know, they they held it together. There was never 239 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 3: no blame game. They did a really good job of 240 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: keeping that under wraps and supporting each other through the season. Jovy, 241 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 3: what was Mendy like during this whole thing? 242 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: And we've had them in here all the time. He's fabulous. 243 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 4: I mean he came on you guys were in the 244 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 4: heat of it. 245 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: Was he the same in the clubhouse every day? 246 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 4: Because he seems like he never changes, He's always positive, 247 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 4: he always got everyone's back, and he believes. 248 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was great. I think you know you could 249 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 3: tell that he was. You know, he was paying attention 250 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 3: to Boonie all those years in New York. You know, 251 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 3: Boonie gets hit hard. I absolutely love Boonie. I was 252 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: gonna go work for the Yankees about four years back 253 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 3: before I went with the Mets, and it was all 254 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: I wanted to do was work with Boonie because I 255 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 3: knew the person the personality, the consistency, and you could 256 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: see all those traits that Carlos brought with him, and 257 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: you could see why they chose Carlos to be the 258 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: manager here. He's he's had a really tough go, you know, 259 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 3: injuries and some of the pitching stuff, some of the 260 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: highs and lows. It's been a really two difficult years 261 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: for him. I know last year we went on that run, 262 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: but we started the season I think oh and five 263 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: own six uh. To start out his managerial career. We 264 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: blew a lot of saves last year. You know, the 265 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: he had to he had to manage a bullpen, our starters, 266 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 3: you know, they weren't going very deep. I think we 267 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 3: use the most pitchers or relievers in the history of 268 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 3: the game, where we're shuffling in and out pitchers throughout 269 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: the whole year. So he had to manage all this 270 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: and for this to be his first two years, I 271 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: think he did a tremendous job, and I think he's 272 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: got a tremendous future being a manager in this game. 273 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: What if you guys had gotten in the what if? 274 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 5: I mean we're talking about this, like, you guys, a 275 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 5: ton of coaches got axed and there's no playoff games. 276 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: It's a big disappointment. 277 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 5: We spend this much money one game, one game is 278 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 5: all would have taken. 279 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: What if you. 280 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 5: Guys had gotten in? What kind of path would it 281 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 5: have taken for you guys, Because to me, looking at 282 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 5: the pitching staff, it would have had to be some 283 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 5: absolute pixie dust magic. 284 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I can. I can answer this honestly. Not enough, 285 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: you know, I think I think it would have been 286 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: kind of scary because offensive, you know, we were able 287 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 3: to go on some terrors and score some eight to 288 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 3: nine runs. But when you're facing some of these pitchers 289 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: that are in the playoffs, it's just not sustainable. You know, 290 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: to me, it's not an offensive league anymore. You know, 291 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: the pitchers are dominating. The stuff is too good. I 292 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: heard you guys talking about the Brewers and Cubs, and 293 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: the Brewers or the Cubs not adding on runs, like 294 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 3: it's just not that easy. You know, the mop up 295 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: guys that are coming in in the fifth inning are 296 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: throwing a hundred with a ninety three mile an hour slider. 297 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: It's a very difficult, difficult game to be, you know, 298 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 3: to to score runs. And I like what the Brewers 299 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: and the Cubs have done with the pitching being so elite. 300 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 3: This is the one thing, this is the only kind 301 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 3: of trump card the offense has is to be to 302 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 3: have some speed and to have guys that put contact 303 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: on the baseball consistently. Now, if that comes with some homers, 304 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 3: you can kind of see, you know, even the padres, 305 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 3: you know somehow. You know, bunning was a big no no. 306 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 3: And now it's become sexy again because I think people 307 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 3: are realizing how hard it is to score runs. And 308 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 3: runs aren't a premium. Defenses at a premium. Running bases 309 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: is at a premium, outfield plays at a premium. Like 310 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: everything offensively, to score runs is at a premium, and 311 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 3: it's just it's not that easy to do. I meant 312 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 3: these pitchers, I meant a couple of years ago, when 313 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: I first got into this, you know, guys were throwing 314 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 3: extremely hard, but I didn't see a whole lot of control. 315 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 3: Now it's like one hundred dotted down and away at 316 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 3: the corner, and I'm watching video and it's pretty much 317 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 3: what I do. And you know, obviously I go over 318 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 3: the bats with these guys and I'm like, you guys 319 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 3: had nothing to hit that at bat, Like it's hard. 320 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: Usually pitchers leave something over the middle of the plate 321 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: and they're dotting right. And they know every detail about 322 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: the hitter. They know where he hits it, how hard 323 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: he hits it, they know the weaknesses, they know his tendencies. 324 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: Everything about this game is really focused for the pitching. 325 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: I meant we had defenses like we'd hit balls and 326 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: the defense would be playing in the perfect position, and 327 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: it's just something. It's just like, you know, Jeremy and 328 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 3: Jeremy Barnes and I the old hitting coach with the Mets, 329 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: we used to talk about this, like we looked at 330 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 3: our batting profile and a lot of the time you're 331 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 3: just kind of like hoping the ball finds grass right 332 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: and there's a little luck factor to that. Like, our 333 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: batting profile was extremely good. You know, Wan didn't have 334 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 3: the best first two months. Every out one made was 335 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: like one hundred and nine miles an hour. He had 336 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: the worst luck of any hitter in the big leagues, 337 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 3: and he was smashing balls, but you know, the defense 338 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: was right there. But you know a lot of the 339 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: times like you're really at the mercy of the ball 340 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: just finding grass, and you know, the defense's positioning has 341 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 3: gotten so good. The pitching's gotten so good. The one 342 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 3: thing I did notice this year more than any other year, 343 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: where pitchers are they have two fastballs. Now they have 344 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 3: the four seam ride at the top and they have 345 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: a two seam. So now you know, a guy like 346 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: Wan who covers the four team at the top, you know, 347 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 3: we we had all our numbers, like if they had 348 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 3: a two seam, we knew Wan was gonna get two seams, 349 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: even though the four seam was probably the better pitch 350 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: for the pitcher. Wan did so well against those, but 351 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: they had something to attack him with now, So you know, 352 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 3: it's to me, it's a it's a defensive game. And 353 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: the way the Brewers and the Cubs have built their team, 354 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: you talk about being consistent and competitive. You know, maybe 355 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 3: not the sexiest offenses, but what a tremendous job they've done. 356 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 3: I think this is how you're gonna have to combat 357 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: the pitching. Because the pitching's not going anywhere. You look 358 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 3: at Schlitler throwing a hundred with a ninety four like 359 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: like I'm going as a hitter, I'm going, Holy, I'm 360 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: thinking the radar guns are wrong, Like it's got to 361 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: be wrong, Like you know, it's guys are throwing one 362 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 3: hundred and four with a ninety seven mile hour slider 363 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: Like it's just like, how is the human body even 364 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: capable of doing that? But you know, to me, it's 365 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: it's a It's a pitching and defense game now, And 366 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: you know, I think, you know, I think gms are 367 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 3: going to have to act accordingly. And you know, if 368 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 3: you've got a position player who can do both, those 369 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 3: guys are always at a premium. But you know, defense 370 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: and speed are going to come back into play and 371 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 3: as we seen early in these playoffs, like bunts are 372 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 3: They're a big thing and it's coming back. 373 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 5: I want to hit on one specific person. Obviously Catcher's 374 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 5: show AJ left. He said you're the man, but he 375 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 5: had to get on a flight, So yep, I talk 376 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 5: about catching the match, don't make the playoffs. I talk 377 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 5: about Francisco Alvarez. This is a guy that I think 378 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 5: his energy behind the dish is infectious. You saw in 379 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 5: the playoffs last year he got sent down to triple 380 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 5: A when he was struggling. Some of it was his defense, 381 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 5: But when he came back, he was awesome. And I 382 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 5: always think sometimes triple A triple an like, guys just 383 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 5: send down a triple A and it can be a 384 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 5: detriment and it can be eyewashed. 385 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: Very rarely is actual a thing. 386 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 5: Did you see a difference when he came back, just 387 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 5: in his overall Francisco Alvarez being the man for this team. 388 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And I love Alva. He's you know, 389 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 3: I've told him two years ago. You know, I think 390 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 3: he hit twenty five homers and you looked at his 391 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: batting profile and there were some other things that weren't 392 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 3: so sexy about it, you know, but everybody falls in 393 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 3: love with homers. Oh, twenty five homers. This is great. 394 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 3: And I kind of challenged him to be a complete hitter, 395 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 3: and I told him, I said, you could be the 396 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 3: best offensive catcher in this league, right if you work 397 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 3: on the right things. You know, his defense at that 398 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 3: time was tremendous. His throwing was really good. You know, 399 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 3: this offseason he went he revamped his swing. You know, 400 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: players are always looking to get better. They're always looking 401 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 3: for that next great thing. You know. The way I 402 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 3: view things as getting better is to be more consistent. 403 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 2: Like you. 404 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 3: You are who you are as a player. All of 405 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: us have God given abilities and you have to tap 406 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 3: into those. I think what's wrong, you know, kind of 407 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 3: offensively is is the social media hitting coach and the 408 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 3: gurus that are out there. You know, they're they're selling 409 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 3: you something. There's this, Hey, I got this one thing 410 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: that will make you a great hitter. And I don't 411 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: view it like that. Hitting is way too hard. Each 412 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 3: each player has its his own his own tool set, 413 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 3: his own strengths, his own weaknesses, and you kind of 414 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 3: have to work with with that player and and and 415 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 3: in his realm of what he can do and can't do. 416 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 3: I I don't I'm you know, from the hitting side. 417 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 3: I'm not a hitting guru. I don't have the magic 418 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: pill to make you a great hitter. But what I 419 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: what I what I do is is I try to 420 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 3: work with you. I try to I try to get 421 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 3: inside your mindset. I try to work with you know, 422 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 3: let's talk about an approach, and you know, make little 423 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: adjustments as we go but I don't have a magic 424 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 3: pill to turn somebody into a fifty home run guy. 425 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 3: I've never been a salesman like that. Hitting is too hard. 426 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 3: I have too much respect for this league and the pitching. 427 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 3: I did it for a really long time, and I 428 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: knew how how hard it was, you know. And and 429 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 3: Albis Albi's it. He's got all the tool set. He 430 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: can catch. You know. He he got off to you know, 431 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 3: with this swing this this spring training, he was starting 432 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 3: to feel it kind of you know, he struggled and 433 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: he started to feel it, and then he had a 434 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: hand injury, and he had a couple of injuries through 435 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 3: the season and you know, he just wasn't able to 436 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 3: to get it right. But then when they sent him 437 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: down this last time, uh, he got his head right. 438 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 3: He was he was focused on the right things at 439 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: the plate. He came back and he was the Alvarez 440 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 3: we all think he can be. 441 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 2: Now. The tool set is there. 442 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 3: Now, it's just about repeating it and and and bringing 443 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 3: your tool set to the to the game every single day. 444 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 3: But I really do firmly believe if he puts it 445 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 3: all together, he could be the best, the best catcher 446 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 3: in the league. But definitely the best offensive catcher in 447 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: the league. 448 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 5: You're right at that, You're right at that time when 449 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 5: you should think hitting wasn't hard anymore. Like I always say, 450 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 5: ten years after somebody retires, they're like, oh, I have 451 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 5: all the answers. So I'm so glad to hear that 452 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 5: you know hitting is really hard because you were really good. 453 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 5: I sucked and I knew that hitting was really hard. 454 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 5: But my question for you, you mentioned Juan Soto onan 455 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 5: sodo almost was forty forty. People really didn't even talk 456 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 5: about it. One of the things against one and as 457 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 5: a hitting coach, did you ever have this conversation is 458 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 5: he doesn't chase out of the zone. When you have 459 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 5: a guy in a milliar lineup, can he get one 460 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 5: hundred and thirty stakes if he never chases out of 461 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 5: the zone or he just passes the baton. I get 462 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 5: it in the long term of the season, like he's 463 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 5: gonna have the best numbers possible. Could he be a 464 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 5: guy to chase out of the zone or is that 465 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 5: something you would never ever tell an elite superstar to 466 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 5: do because that's his superpower? 467 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 3: Really crazy, really good question. You know, I think I 468 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 3: think there were times when and I'll just be honest, 469 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 3: I think there were times you know where myself and 470 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: I even talked to Carlos, was you know, if we 471 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 3: could just kind of get him to swing, you know, 472 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 3: maybe oh or some pitches that he could do damage 473 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 3: on early in the counts. But but Wan is he 474 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 3: he is a precision hitter. I wouldn't I wouldn't get 475 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 3: him out of his comfort zone at all. The one thing, 476 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 3: the one thing I would say, if you want to 477 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: think outside the box and get creative, you know, sho 478 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 3: Hey Atani's you know, along with Judge and and cal Riley, 479 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 3: you know, the three best hitters in the game, Wan's 480 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 3: up there. You know, uh, show Hey leads off. You know, 481 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 3: Wan is so good at getting on base. He's so selective. 482 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: You know, there are times when things are going and 483 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: you're in the middle of the lineup, you're three four five, 484 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 3: like Pete Alonzo, Like we know Pete's gonna chase, Pete's 485 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 3: gonna do damage. I think that's you're kind of referencing 486 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 3: driving in runs at an at a. You know, Wan 487 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 3: could drive in one hundred and forty, but instead of 488 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 3: doing that where you're telling him to get out of 489 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: his comfort zone, slide him in the leadoff spot. He 490 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 3: stills bases, he gets on base at a four hundred 491 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 3: at a forty percent clip. You know, don't have him 492 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 3: get out of his comfort zone or what he likes 493 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 3: to do. But you can be just as dynamic in 494 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: the leadoff spot if you look at Shohan and what 495 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 3: he's done without changing the player too much, just changing 496 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: where he hits in the batting lineup. Like it's you know, 497 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 3: I know people they're like, ah, wherever you hit shouldn't 498 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 3: really matter, but it really does matter. Like when we 499 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 3: moved Lindor from the from the third slot into the 500 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: leadoff slot where he's really comfortable, and he's really comfortable 501 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 3: at the one or the two slot. You know, where 502 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 3: a player hits does matter sometimes, like there's there's some 503 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 3: you know, there's an emotional tie to where you're at 504 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 3: in the lineup, and you know, not everybody can hit three, four, 505 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: five in the lineup and you have to have the 506 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 3: right animals to do that. But you know, I think 507 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 3: with wants profile and if you want to get creative 508 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 3: and think out of the box, I think about leading 509 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: them off. I like it all right. 510 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: Last one I want to get to the coaching staff 511 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: in particular. Number one, and I know you've mentioned this before. 512 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: Thoughts on the way that the hitting coach setup was 513 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: and how it should look differently for a team. And two, 514 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: Jeremy Haffner getting let go. I mean I followed the 515 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: Mets very closely. He was looked at as a top 516 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: three pitching coach, pitching whisper the whole deal. So do 517 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: you think that it was warranted? 518 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't think any of the coaches 519 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 3: should have been fired, to be honest with you, But 520 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: understanding the nature of the beasts and how things work 521 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: weeks prior to this, I knew this was coming. 522 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 2: Is it fair? 523 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 3: No, But when you sign up for this job, it's 524 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 3: kind of what comes with it. You're in a big 525 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 3: market like New York. The owner just spent eight hundred 526 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 3: million dollars. Your team better makes some noise, right, not 527 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 3: even making the playoffs isn't even good enough? Like you 528 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 3: better get deep and you better lead make it to 529 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 3: the World Series. And so I saw this coming. No, 530 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 3: it's not fair. The coaching staff we had was was unbelievable. Uh, 531 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 3: it's some of the guys that were there for with 532 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,959 Speaker 3: me for the last three or four years. You know, 533 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 3: things just didn't go our way. You know, there's a 534 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 3: lot of injuries, a lot of acquisitions that we had 535 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 3: that didn't really pan out. But the coaching staff was steadfast, like, 536 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 3: I'll go to bat for these guys any day. Matter 537 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 3: of fact, I told Carlos the same thing at the 538 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 3: end of the year when I was flying home, I said, Carlos, 539 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 3: I'll go to bat for you any day. The job 540 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 3: you've done. There's a lot of things that go on 541 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 3: that people aren't privy to, but a lot of things 542 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 3: that need to stay in the clubhouse they don't really 543 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 3: need to be out there that people will never know about. 544 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 3: But the coaching staff we had, I'll go to the 545 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: bat for them. They they worked extremely hard from the 546 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 3: hitting standpoint. Somebody had asked me, you know, from the 547 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 3: hitting department and if there's anything I would have changed. 548 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 3: And Jeremy Barnes did a great job. Him and I 549 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: did a really good job of speaking different languages, believing 550 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: in certain and different things, coming from two different worlds, 551 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 3: and making it work together for the better of the group. 552 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 3: And that was the conversation him and I always had 553 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 3: we never disagreed on anything, right, we might have looked 554 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 3: at each other and go, man, this guy is full 555 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: of it, or I disagree with him. But whatever it was, 556 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: we made sure that we we brought. We brought it 557 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 3: to the group that him and I were on the 558 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 3: same page. The only thing that I had mentioned, and 559 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: I think Jeremy would agree with this too, you cannot 560 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 3: have two head hitting coaches. Like players, players get confused 561 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 3: when there's multiple voices. You know, from my standpoint, I 562 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 3: try to I try to give Jeremy kind of his 563 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 3: space because he did so much and the players were 564 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 3: very accustomed to kind of him being in the leadership role. 565 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: And then when I left to be the bench coach 566 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 3: for that one year under Buck and then I came 567 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 3: back into the hitters role, you know, Jeremy had established 568 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 3: himself in his voice, and so you know, to make 569 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 3: it work, I kind of gave him his space and 570 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 3: moving forward, And I said this to Lindor a couple 571 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: of months back, said I'll never do the co thing 572 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 3: ever again, Like there should never be. You know, things 573 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 3: are set up when there's there's a head guy and assistant, 574 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 3: when roles are defined, when there's one voice, I think 575 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 3: is the best situation moving forward. But you know, whatever 576 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 3: the Mets do or they're gonna do. But I you know, 577 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 3: I was asked that question. I said, the only thing 578 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: probably that you know, needed to change was you know, 579 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think two hitting coaches is the 580 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: way to go. 581 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: It makes total sense and a lot of teams operate 582 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: that way with the one and then the assistant. Eric 583 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: ran at a time, But this was awesome, man, will 584 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: definitely have you back on. Appreciate the time here right all. 585 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: Right, Thank you guys, appreciate it. Cratzy, Bronnie, thank you,