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Speaker 2: Got to throat wants the throat down, dive down the

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Speaker 2: thirty one yard line. Oh that is beautiful. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the twenty in the Huddle podcast. We are in the

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Speaker 2: middle of training camp. I am joined by Detroit Lions

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Speaker 2: veteran left Teckle, Taylor Decker and Taylor. Does training camp

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: This is what camp for you eight? Does it get easier?

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Speaker 2: Does it get harder? Is it tougher on the body?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you definitely have more miles on the body.

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Speaker 4: I mean I would say, uh, you know, the staff

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Speaker 4: You know with some of the guys who you know,

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Speaker 4: got some more miles, got a lot more games played,

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Speaker 4: you know, game snaps and stuff like that. I mean,

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Speaker 4: every single day because you've done it and you're confident

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Speaker 2: Can get yourself a day off here or there, you know,

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Speaker 2: or you just understand kind of what's going on that

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Speaker 4: Is that kind of Well, when I'm practicing, I'm doing

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Speaker 4: they're trying to think on the fly that they can't

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Speaker 4: but just from you know, a veteran player standpoint, I've

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Speaker 2: Are going on miles a minute like they are for

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Speaker 2: for younger guys. Have you know? That was maybe Dan's

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Speaker 2: Is it easier, is it more intense? Is it kind

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Speaker 2: Or maybe how would you describe it as maybe being

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Speaker 4: If it is, I would say, uh, the camp's over

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Speaker 4: the last couple years, they kind of ebb and flow.

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Speaker 4: There'll be days where you know, he always uses some

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Speaker 4: and I just want you guys to go, don't don't

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Speaker 4: he always, you know, is saying that we will, we

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Speaker 4: to make sure you're feeling good. But but we need

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Speaker 4: those days where you know, maybe you're going to get

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Speaker 2: And that's coming from a guy who's been in your

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Speaker 4: I mean I would say, like in a vacuum, you know,

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Speaker 3: To win to the wind, to the division.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I'm not going to sit here and

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Speaker 2: What that would be like. That would be so fun.

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Speaker 2: It would because those people are so hungry for it too,

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Speaker 4: I think so, But again that's all theory and and

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Speaker 4: You know, one guy that I mean, he just I'm

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Speaker 3: We've played against that guy for for a number of years.

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Speaker 4: Right, I'm super excited to play with him, and then

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Speaker 4: You're the superstar at the college. You come here and

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Speaker 2: Would that be accurate? You know?

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Speaker 3: I think if we are able to.

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Speaker 4: That opens up the play, but for our quarterback and

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Speaker 2: That offensive line room. Graham Glasgow rejoins the team. You

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Speaker 3: Not as much a part of it.

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Speaker 2: You went through it a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 4: No, I've done it, you know a couple of times.

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Speaker 3: But man, we make it fun. We make it so

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Speaker 4: You know, we're always cracking jokes, but we're still going

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just a fun group.

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Speaker 4: I think Hank's done a really good job of kind

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Speaker 4: I mean, for it's it's cool, it's it's super cool.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, I want to finish with this a

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Speaker 2: So all right, let's first start with Aiden Hutchinson.

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Speaker 3: Relentless. I like it, Yeah, do me to do me

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Speaker 4: One thing I would say about Aiden is he's definitely

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Speaker 3: He really is.

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Speaker 2: And that's what he said this a sin. One of

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Speaker 4: Could probably use the same word I would say. I

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean I'm excited, Like I'm excited to

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Speaker 3: Make me better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I know that's all you can ask for, right.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's you know there's days in an early

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Speaker 4: It's a chess match. And uh you know we're we're

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's good for me.

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Speaker 2: Guy with a chip on the shoulder too. I went

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if you know our media

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Speaker 4: I think we got a lot of playmakers on defense.

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Speaker 2: People can't forget we're only two years away from him

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Speaker 3: A little bit more limited snaps that year to one hundred.

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Speaker 2: John Kaminski, let's go Kominsky.

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Speaker 3: Oh, tone setter.

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Speaker 2: Tone.

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Speaker 4: I see him as as a tone setter. And you know,

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Speaker 4: that physicality every single play where he maybe he's not

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Speaker 4: to and he's happy to do it. Yeah, he feels

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Speaker 4: like that unique position blue.

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Speaker 2: He's a blue guy. That's what I think of him.

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Speaker 2: Every roster needs a guy like John Kaminsky, I mean,

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Speaker 4: A couple of years ago he was on the Atlanta

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Speaker 3: He's a good player.

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Speaker 4: Josh Pascal power. Yes, he's a powerful guy. You just

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Speaker 4: I feel like he's in a similar vein is is

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Speaker 4: Kaminsky Is that that kind of feels, you know, kind

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Speaker 4: Uh Nickel if you need him to slide out the

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Speaker 3: To pass rush. But he's a powerful.

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Speaker 2: Guy, really good to get sets a good edge against

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Speaker 2: James Houston smooth, smooth, He's smooth. He is smooth, is he?

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Speaker 4: And uh you know he's got the he's just got

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Speaker 4: Uh, I feel like that's just something that you have

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Speaker 4: if you have it, you can you can build upon it.

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Speaker 4: But you know, not many guys can dip the corner,

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Speaker 2: Balance and speed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he is, He's smooth with all of his stuff.

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Speaker 4: I see him as like that, like consummate professional guy.

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Speaker 4: I mean he's he's had injuries and you know, we

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Speaker 2: His brother Julian.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially in games, I feel like I see violence

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Speaker 2: That's a big thing with him. It's just staying on

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Speaker 2: but what have you seen from him? I know you

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Speaker 4: And I mean we're going to be playing the Giants

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Speaker 4: But he does strike me as a guy that he

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Speaker 2: You got to love to see that out of a

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Speaker 2: all right? Last one, the joint practices. How much are

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Speaker 2: How much do you guys look forward to joint practices

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Speaker 4: It's going to be it's going to be good to

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Speaker 4: to do it. I think it'll be a really good

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Speaker 4: it against a new opponents too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know fans are going to be looking

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Speaker 2: But with that offensive line and you guys, you lead

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Speaker 2: because you big guys up front. It's fun to watch

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Speaker 2: you guys. I appreciate you taking the time and I

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Speaker 2: can't wait to se these joint practice the next couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate its.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the twenty the Huddle podcast presented my

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Speaker 2: Microsoft and I am very happy to welcome in Jim

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Speaker 2: Miller Pat Kirwin Moving the Chains, really popular show on

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Speaker 2: serious NFL radio. They do a great job, great insight.

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Speaker 2: So what camp is this for you guys making the

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Speaker 2: stop in Detroit? What's what's number is it on the tour?

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Speaker 3: Hear? Well?

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Speaker 6: For me, I've already done Chicago, done New England, and

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Speaker 6: the Bills. So I caught up with Pat after doing

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Speaker 6: the Bears. So this is our third to get I.

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Speaker 1: Skipped the Bears.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I don't think people in Detriiting going to mind

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Speaker 2: that too much.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that.

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Speaker 6: I don't think Pat minds it either.

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Speaker 2: Gus, like you guys make these trips. And I know

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Speaker 2: Jim and Pat.

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Speaker 7: You guys were here last year as well the many

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Speaker 7: many years now. Yeah, and you guys are are constantly.

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Speaker 7: But this year does it feel a little bit different

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Speaker 7: to you guys, just with the expectations, with where this

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Speaker 7: roster is at, with kind of the excitement surrounding the team,

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Speaker 7: does it feel different?

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Speaker 1: I'll say this. The second I met I knew Dan

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Speaker 1: Campbell as an assistant coach and a player. The second

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Speaker 1: I saw Dan in action here the first year I

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Speaker 1: knew it was only a matter of time or the

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Speaker 1: way he was going to do this, and it was

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Speaker 1: a radical choice, really, and the guy had a vision.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it would you call it typical

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Speaker 1: the way he saw he's going to run this, But

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Speaker 1: I don't think it surprised me and Jim that we'd

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Speaker 1: get to this point in three years.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And for me, because I lived locally here, I'm

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Speaker 6: very in tune with the buzz about this team, you know,

479
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Speaker 6: and what they're trying to do and how really, you know,

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Speaker 6: Sheila ford hamp has gone about building this, so I've

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Speaker 6: kind of had seen the inner networking of it and

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Speaker 6: also the perception of what fans perceive on the outside.

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Speaker 6: There is a buzz about this team, and there is

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Speaker 6: an excitement level from this fan base that hasn't been

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Speaker 6: here in quite somewhat quite a while. And I think

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Speaker 6: rightfully so, because I think they're doing it the right way.

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Speaker 2: And I'm glad you mentioned Sheilan because it doesn't seem

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Speaker 2: like the optimism is driven just on because the roster

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Speaker 2: looks good, Like you look at the coaching staff, you

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Speaker 2: look at what Brad's done in the draft, what he's

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Speaker 2: built what he's had in everye agency, and then you

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Speaker 2: know Sheila hamp providing everything financially in the support that

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Speaker 2: they all need. It just seems like from players all

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Speaker 2: the way up top to bottom, it's trending in the

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Speaker 2: right direction. That gives you so much optimism.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I see the trend. You always got

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Speaker 1: to beat your own division last year, not just five

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Speaker 1: and one, but and I drafted Aaron Glenn, so I

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Speaker 1: know who he is and how he And as another

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Speaker 1: example of Dan's patients, a lot of guys would have

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Speaker 1: fired Aaron in the middle of that early phase of

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Speaker 1: this and he thought better of it. But when you

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Speaker 1: start winning your division like you did, and you're winning,

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Speaker 1: and you're scoring in the high twenties and you're giving

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Speaker 1: up in division play under twenty points, that's the foundation

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Speaker 1: to success because now you get a chance to win

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Speaker 1: a division.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something that has been done here since nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 2: And look, it's the first time there's not a Hall

510
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Speaker 2: of Fame quarterback you got to go through in Green Bay.

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Speaker 2: That makes a little bit of a difference to do.

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Speaker 2: A lot of guys celebrating that there's some uncertainty there,

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Speaker 2: but do you like Detroit's chain in the NFC North

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Speaker 2: with what the other teams are doing, How do you

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Speaker 2: think that that division kind of sets up plays out.

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Speaker 1: Well a couple of things. I'd say there's going to

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Speaker 1: be a change in Green Bay, and it's really they

518
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Speaker 1: ought to just admit they're in a youth movement. They haven't.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota blew it. I think they had a chance when

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Speaker 1: Rogers left to double down, get five or six guys

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Speaker 1: and make a run for this, but instead they've gone

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Speaker 1: the other way, and so the door is wide open,

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Speaker 1: and I really expect you to win the division. Now.

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Speaker 1: I came here for one big reason to see if

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Speaker 1: if you were managing expectations, because everything we're talking about

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Speaker 1: is expectation, you know, higher and higher. Dan's not letting

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Speaker 1: that really happen to the team.

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Speaker 6: No, Yeah, he's keeping their head, their focus, and like

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Speaker 6: you said, they haven't accomplished anything yet. It's it's their

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Speaker 6: for him, you know. I definitely think it's a wide

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Speaker 6: open division that they can achieve all their goals, win

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Speaker 6: the division, potentially make it to the playoffs, and I

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Speaker 6: think it would be another, you know, another step in

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Speaker 6: the right direction of what they're they're trying to build,

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Speaker 6: and they've made a lot of moves here. You know,

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Speaker 6: Brad Holmes, people forget he conducted really eight, really good

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Speaker 6: drafts out there for the Rams to build them into

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Speaker 6: what they were, and then comes here, makes the trade

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Speaker 6: for golf, acquires those assets and I'll tell you what, man,

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Speaker 6: he has not missed on many picks at all. This

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Speaker 6: was a great draft in my opinion, and this whole

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Speaker 6: draft class will be contributors for this team, from Jack

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Speaker 6: Campbell to Sam Laporta. I think Broderick Martin will get

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Speaker 6: rotated in there. Branch is a great player. I mean

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Speaker 6: who they drafted from Alabama. This is a very good secondary.

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Speaker 6: Now that was somewhat suspect, and that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe to Jim talks about what they did in the draft,

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Speaker 2: What about how they supplemented that in free agency with

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Speaker 2: getting a guy like CJ. Gardner, Johnson, Cam Sutton a

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Speaker 2: manual moment. Some of the other pieces pass.

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Speaker 1: Because you know, I was in this business and we

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Speaker 1: had a hard team when you know a bad team,

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Speaker 1: and trying to recruit for a bad team when multiple

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Speaker 1: teams want a player is very hard. But people want

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Speaker 1: to come here. Jim and I interview a lot of

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Speaker 1: players and whether it's Campbell or or golf and what's

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Speaker 1: going on with the offense, it's not hard now to

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Speaker 1: g guys to want to come here. Which how long

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Speaker 1: has it been since that was the case. I used

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Speaker 1: to love to compete against you guys. Oh it's you

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Speaker 1: were Detroit good, We're going to get you. That's not

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Speaker 1: the case now.

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Speaker 6: No, Cam Sutton made it a point that there is

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Speaker 6: a buzz among players and that's why he signed here.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, about other players in the league, this is now

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Speaker 6: a destination that they want to come to because of

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Speaker 6: Brad and Dan and yeah, because of what they're building,

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Speaker 6: how he coaches, his style. Yeah, he's a no nonsense guy.

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Speaker 6: But you know, I got coached by George Pearlos at

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Speaker 6: Michigan State. I would want to play for Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 6: I can tell you that right now because it's the

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Speaker 6: same type of style that I trust him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And that's what that's the conversation players have,

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Speaker 1: Can you trust this guy? And they're getting a lot

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Speaker 1: of yeses.

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Speaker 2: Does it make a difference that he's been in their shoes? No, Obviously,

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Speaker 2: there's been lots of players that have become former players

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Speaker 2: that have become coaches. But it just seems like Dan's

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Speaker 2: not going to ask anybody to do anything that he

581
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Speaker 2: hasn't been one asked to do himself or done himself.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Is there that kind of response?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean with that when I broken legs under Bill Kauer,

585
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Speaker 6: former player, and I did, I, like Pat said, I

586
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Speaker 6: trusted Bill Kauer. I wanted to play for Bill Kauer,

587
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Speaker 6: and I think and Pat's actually, you know, talk to

588
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Speaker 6: Billy's on the set with Bill.

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Speaker 1: Keller, I hooked Bill up with Dan Dan and I, well,

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Speaker 1: Bill and I are very close. We play a lot

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Speaker 1: of golf together. We're together every Sunday. And the day

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Speaker 1: I met Dan, we were on the set with him,

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Speaker 1: and at the end of it, I said, give me

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Speaker 1: your cell phone number. You were going to get to

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Speaker 1: No Cower and I call Kawer and those guys converse

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 2: Now, what are your just your impressions of Dan?

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Speaker 1: What kind of guy?

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Speaker 2: Because you said when you first you knew that this

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Speaker 2: was going to get to this point, why did you

601
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Speaker 2: have that feeling?

602
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Speaker 1: Pat? Because I think he knows the kind of players

603
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Speaker 1: you need, and he wasn't afraid to get rid of players,

604
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Speaker 1: even guys with big names, out of here, because you're

605
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Speaker 1: not really going to be the lion the way we

606
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Speaker 1: want a lion to be. So he was bold in

607
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Speaker 1: those things, and he didn't make many mistakes. He also

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Speaker 1: is This is the part I don't think the fans

609
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Speaker 1: understand how patient he is. Like he looks like he's impulsive,

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Speaker 1: and he get rid of your defensive backs, etc.

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Speaker 2: You're going forward on fourth down a lot, and all this.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, and they were ready to criticize him and run

613
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Speaker 1: him out of town and the things he said in

614
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Speaker 1: his press conference, So you know, the East Coast mentality

615
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Speaker 1: where I come from, they thought, who's this guy? You know?

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Speaker 1: But when I when I really study how he handles

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Speaker 1: his roster, Like he has a three year plan for

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Speaker 1: every player. Now, you can blow that up yourself if

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Speaker 1: you want, but he's willing to stick with you, just

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Speaker 1: like he stuck with Aaron for three years. And that's

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Speaker 1: when he thinks, if you don't deliver by three that's

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Speaker 1: that's a long time. Most young head coaches like him

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Speaker 1: get fired in three years. You know, when you hire

624
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Speaker 1: a guy that's never had any experience many of these

625
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: owners are going to fire him in three years. They're

626
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: just playing Russian Lette with the guy. But this guy

627
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Speaker 1: does understand how to get players ready. He challenges them

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Speaker 1: in their meetings. I know he does, and I know

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Speaker 1: the things he says. So I think he got You

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Speaker 1: got the ingredients now, then you got to deliver in

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Speaker 1: the games. And I think he got the quarterback. Remember

632
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Speaker 1: when no one wanted Goff. I don't hear any of

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Speaker 1: that anymore.

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Speaker 2: He nine touchdown, seven interceptions. Why he hasn't thrown interception

635
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Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty four.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, nobody was playing better down the stretch at the

637
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Speaker 6: position than Jared Golf the last ten games of the year.

638
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Speaker 6: He was incredible. How he played just efficient, getting rid

639
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Speaker 6: of the ball, his processing the information, not getting sacked done.

640
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Speaker 6: You know, all those things matter. And he's a better player.

641
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Speaker 6: And both Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell they believe he

642
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 6: is better now than what he was and he finished

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Speaker 6: the year.

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Speaker 2: He'll be this, he says too. He feels better about

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Speaker 2: just the situation that he's in and he thinks he's

646
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Speaker 2: playing better ball than he was when he was playing

647
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Speaker 2: at his height in La too. And he was playing

648
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Speaker 2: some pretty good football three hundred times without a pick.

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Speaker 1: You know, he knows where to go with the ball,

650
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Speaker 1: He has people that can catch it. Now he has

651
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Speaker 1: a young tight end. We talked to him this morning

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Speaker 1: about it that he's nurturing. He knows the middle of

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Speaker 1: the field is going to be open.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jim, I mean, you played quarterback in this league.

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Speaker 2: How important do you think it was too for Ben

656
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Speaker 2: Johnson when he got the job last offseason to bring

657
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Speaker 2: Jared in and say, look, it's not Ben Johnson's offense.

658
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Speaker 2: This is what we're going to do. Jared, let's build

659
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Speaker 2: this thing together. What do you like to do. I mean,

660
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: obviously Ben's got his own concepts and things he wants

661
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: to do, but I think allowing him to be a

662
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: big part of it does that play success?

663
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 6: Coach Worth assault, you need to curtail the offense to

664
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 6: the strengths of the player. You know, these guys that

665
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 6: come in and just say, hey, this is my system,

666
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 6: this is how I want it run. It's just that's

667
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 6: just it's just bad. Because there's going to be bad fits,

668
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 6: you know, in terms of players, and so you have

669
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 6: to adapt, you have to adjust, You've got to curtail

670
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Speaker 6: your your play calling to the strengths of the player,

671
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 6: and then minimize the things he doesn't do well. I think,

672
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Speaker 6: I think we all know Jared isn't a guy where

673
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 6: you're going to move him around a lot. But like

674
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 6: that Chili role game that they do, the half role,

675
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 6: that sets up perfectly for his game, for his play

676
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 6: action stuff and what they want to do. And he

677
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 6: can process information as good as anybody and get the

678
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 6: ball out of his hand.

679
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Speaker 1: And by the way, the NFC, you know, Rogers goes

680
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: to the AFC, Russell Wilson goes the AFC. When you

681
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: look around, Jim and I get on the radio and

682
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: we go make a case against.

683
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: Goth right right, Jalen Hurst is in that conversation, and then.

684
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, you got Dak. You got very few guys in

685
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 6: the NFC. Jared Golf's right there, right there.

686
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Speaker 1: There's no question in the offense. I've been to a

687
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: couple of camps now. The offense here, unlike some of

688
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: the other camps, is way ahead of the other offenses

689
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: I saw.

690
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: And that's great that they get Ben Johnson back to

691
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: obviously flirted with some head coaching gigs. I think that's

692
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: going to be in his future. But credit to him

693
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: too to come back here. I had him on the

694
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: podcast right after he decided to do it, and he said, look,

695
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: I've got someone finished business and I'm not ready yet.

696
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: Credit to him right to say, hey, I've got a

697
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: good thing going right here. I kind of want to

698
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: keep this going. I want to learn some more before

699
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: and be more prepared before I step into that run.

700
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Speaker 1: I've helped a lot of guys get head coaching jobs.

701
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: I always tell him, do not take a bad job

702
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: because you're not going to get a second chance. Be patient,

703
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: keep building your resume, and a better job will come along,

704
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: and you might have that happen here, you know, in

705
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: a year or so. So yeah, it's fun. Look, we've

706
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: been here and done things like this for this organization

707
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: multiple times, and sometimes we had to kind of wing

708
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: it like, well, good luck, you know not now this

709
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: is a real deal.

710
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: We talked about the offense a little bit. Can you

711
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: imagine playing behind this offensive line?

712
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 6: They're tremendous.

713
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that kind of the catalyst of what

714
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: everything on the field is going to be is obviously

715
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: it starts up front on both sides of the ball,

716
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: but offensively, especially when you talk about this team, I

717
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: think everything first and foremost is man. That offensive line

718
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: is really really yeah there.

719
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Speaker 6: We do our position rankings every year, the Lions are

720
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 6: in the top five. Further offensive line, probably Philly was there.

721
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 6: Dallas is a good offensive line, but Detroit is right

722
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 6: there in terms of pound for pound, and they added

723
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 6: to it, you know. And again think about guys who

724
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 6: are once here left and wanted to come back, and

725
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 6: that'd be Grant Blascow, and they got even more depth

726
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 6: now in my opinion, hopefully a healthy Viye tie. But

727
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 6: Penny Sewell was a great pick. Obviously, Decker Ragnow is

728
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 6: probably the strongest center in the league by far.

729
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: And Jones Jackson was a Pro Bowl a couple of

730
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: years ago too, So just right across that line, just

731
00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: bettering guys.

732
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Speaker 1: And I know, and Dan Enough's gonna say, we had

733
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: that same line last year, we had the same line

734
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: the year before. So it's got to be more than that.

735
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Speaker 1: The defense, you know, I'm still look, we've thrown a

736
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: lot of flowers out here, but they still need to

737
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: get better in a defensive line, you know, and they

738
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: should be searching for that, and they might have a

739
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Speaker 1: player or two to give if they can get their

740
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: hands on one. They're not they're hard to find, but

741
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: your typical chance of getting one is contractual reasons, not

742
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: talent reasons. So someone who can't afford to sign, that's

743
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that you should go after. And

744
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: I think they have their eyes open and looking for stuff.

745
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I think they've got some guys

746
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: coming back that played a lot, and Rooki obviously eight

747
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: and Hutches. Some of those guys that they're thinking are

748
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: going to develop, you know, progerc Martin, maybe a young

749
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 2: guy that can do something Leeve Island's Errique where they

750
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: didn't have last year, could maybe give them a little

751
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: something inside.

752
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: I said to Jimmy this morning. When you miss on

753
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle for medical reasons or talent reason, if

754
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: you miss on that, it's we all O. If you

755
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: miss on a quarterback, it's five years before you're better again.

756
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: You miss on a defensive tackle that you're counting on

757
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: to be a star, it could be three years before

758
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: you get to in a position in the draft to

759
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: get the next really really good one. So hopefully he

760
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: comes around. But I don't think they should just sit around.

761
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: No, And I don't think Brad will because they know.

762
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Speaker 2: I mean, you look at last year, right, it was

763
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: almost a tail of two seasons. First seven games of

764
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: the year, they're one and six. They're allowing thirty two

765
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: points per game. You know, you look at the last ten,

766
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: that number drops down to a little bit over twenty.

767
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: That's eleventh best in the NFL. And with how good

768
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: this offense is, you saw the result, right, I think

769
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: if this defense is just marginally better, you know we're

770
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 2: talking about in the team, this football team is going

771
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: to be so much better, would you guys agree?

772
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Look, don't I didn't understand the criticism you guys

773
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: were getting for drafting the middle linebacker. We love that guy.

774
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: Jim and I interviewed just about every guy that was

775
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: going to be a first, second, or third round pick.

776
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: He was by far the smartest foot ball player we

777
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: talked to. He'll have no problem running this defense, managing it,

778
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: coordinating it. And in the meantime, all the guys who

779
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: had to play last year that are going to be

780
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: backups now are full blown starters. You got guys all

781
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: over the place. They can play linebacker, and that's a

782
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: good thing.

783
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, rock Guez, and you know he was. I thought

784
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 6: he was a pleasant surprise last year, you know. So yeah,

785
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 6: I think especially the secondary, secondary is night and day

786
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 6: better than what it was.

787
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

788
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 6: So they they've got some players now and they'll they'll

789
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 6: you know, they'll be just fine.

790
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: You'll get Jamison back someday. I saw him today, you know,

791
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: every time he catches an outrouter goes past the you know.

792
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: I like that speeds different different is.

793
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: He's a game changer and good things are coming. And

794
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: then we wrapped it up with coach today going, you know,

795
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: after all the things we just said, you get to

796
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: turn around and see Hendon hook are working out by

797
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: himself out there. What a what a great idea to

798
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: draft that guy.

799
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: Seems like a terrific guy doing everything right way to

800
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: arm strength. You saw that the he played. I think

801
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: that injury. He wouldn't have been there for them had

802
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: he not suffered that injury. And I think that's one

803
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: that they're going to be. You don't need him, by

804
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: the way, No, it was a perfect place from the

805
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: come to Barty talk. Yeah, and it was full funny.

806
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: I talked to him at the Senior Bowl. Actually, I

807
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: ran in because he went down there. You know he

808
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: couldn't do it, but just wanted to be part of

809
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: the meetings. And like, kudos to that young man, right,

810
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: And I asked him, would you like going to a

811
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: place like Detroit where you could learn behind a guy

812
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 2: or you know, do you want to play? Right away

813
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: said I gets learned behind a guy like Jared Golf,

814
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: a guy who's done at a high level in this

815
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: league for a long time. Sign me up. I'll do that.

816
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: You know how much better I'm going to get. And

817
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 2: that was his approach and his mentality, which you've got

818
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: to love that in a young player.

819
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 6: It's a good problem I have because I think a

820
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 6: lot of people thought that maybe Jared Golf was just

821
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 6: going to be a bridge quarterback. I don't know if

822
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 6: you can look at him like that anymore. I really

823
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 6: don't know. And this let this with you when he.

824
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: Gets his job, Yeah, let's see. You know, here's the

825
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: one thing I'd say to the fans that listened to this.

826
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: I've seen a number of teams have this big emotional momentum.

827
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: It happened to Houston the first time they were going

828
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: to bed, and I'll never forget talking to that they

829
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: lost their opener to the Jets, and the fans immediately

830
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: want to revert back to here we go again. They

831
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: still didn't believe you could have a rough start, you

832
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: could lose your opener. But it's a challenge for all

833
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: this excitement and Jimmy season at all the stores in town.

834
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: You got to be ready for the seventeen games, not

835
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, the opener, because I've seen exactly what happens

836
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: the Jets. That happened. The New York Posts had the

837
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: backpage at the greening of New York because they thought

838
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: we're going to be great. We lost the first two games.

839
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: They turned on us so fast.

840
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: And Kansas City first game of the year at Kansas

841
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: City home against Seattle. So to your point, two very

842
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: tough matchups. But it's a long season. Seventeen guys.

843
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: I just hope that they're really fans.

844
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: All right. I want to fish with this, guys. The

845
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: most interesting part about your visit here was somebody you

846
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: talked to. Is it maybe something you got inside information

847
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 2: on that you just are excited about or just something

848
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 2: from the outside looking. And what's one really interesting thing.

849
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 6: About what I told Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes as well.

850
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 6: There's a lot of coaching because this is such a

851
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 6: staff that has played the POSI like Mark Brunell. I mean,

852
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 6: you bring in John Fox as a coach and you

853
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 6: know Aaron Glenn has played. There's a lot of coaching

854
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 6: that's going on in between each and every play. You know,

855
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 6: I've been on teams personally, and we see it on

856
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 6: the camp tour where nothing is brought up. You you

857
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 6: wait till after the practice and you coach up via

858
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 6: the tape, you know, reviewing, Hey this, but no, like today,

859
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 6: I was the young Steven Gilmour, the young defensive back

860
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 6: and it was a play offense defense right away. Aaron

861
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 6: Glenn's jumping in, you go, sun Kamire. You know he's

862
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 6: given them coaching pointers right there. Hey, you can't do

863
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 6: that versus Here's why, you know, you understand. You know

864
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 6: they're getting instant correction right away when some staffs don't

865
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 6: do that. So I think it shows because the young

866
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 6: guys you played last year, look at how they have

867
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 6: grown and developed, and I think a lot of it

868
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 6: is because of that that there the attention to detail

869
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 6: in the instant care is there right away to develop

870
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 6: these young players.

871
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: For me, it was a leam McNeil. I'll tell you why,

872
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: because we knew another team they had a war in

873
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: their draft room. One guy wanted them, the other guy didn't.

874
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: They passed on them, so we've kind of stayed on

875
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: top of them. So I lived in a world where

876
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: every team I was with and every coach I was

877
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: with was four to three front, and that guy would

878
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: have been steel as a three technique, and now you're

879
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: playing him down and all that stuff, and he he

880
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: just is a big piece. And if you can get

881
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: stout at the one technique because you kind of play

882
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: the shaded nose, it's not really a three four, it's

883
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: just tilt. It's the way it's way what's his name

884
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: ran the same defense. It's really a one. It's not

885
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: a one gap defense all the time. But now he's penetrating.

886
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: That guy's going to wre havoc in the backfield and

887
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: he's going to let you be able to play without

888
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: the extra guy in the box. And that's important. That's

889
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: how Warren sapp was. They played a lot of two

890
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: behind it. Why because Sappy would make he'd spike all

891
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: the time in the center and the guard that have

892
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 1: to take him. So you didn't need the extra guy,

893
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: and that's what's going to happen with me, Neil. So

894
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: when I saw him today, as fast as he is

895
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: off the ball.

896
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: Good day to come. You had a couple place here

897
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 2: where he's lost weight.

898
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 6: He admitted he's lost twenty five.

899
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it to him because it's not my place,

900
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: but he made money today.

901
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

902
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is I've stopped both Frank Ragnow

903
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: and Jonah Jackson after, you know, seeing a leam in

904
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: the weight being lost. I said, do you lose any

905
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: strength losing twenty two pounds? Heck no, he didn't know.

906
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: He said, nope, lost zero strength. He's your defense.

907
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's really important when they want to structure

908
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: your secondary that you have a guy that they're scared

909
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: to death of inside. You got the outside guy and

910
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: you'll just slide to protection. But to have a guy

911
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: in there now, pretty good deal for you.

912
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 2: Well, that's exciting to hear. It's exciting that you guys

913
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: were here to get your pe active. Jim Miller, Pat Kerr.

914
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 2: When you guys do a great job moving the chains

915
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: on the NFL's series NFL Radio. It's a must listen

916
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: to for you guys out there. Thank you guys for

917
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: joining me. I appreciate website man. Yeah, thank you guys.

918
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the twenty in the Huddle Podcast presented

919
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: by Microsoft. I am very happy to welcome in Ben

920
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: Solek from the Ringer. Then you do a terrific job

921
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: with the ringer. I want to start with let's go

922
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: that's right away. You're a Philly fan, grew up a

923
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: Philly fan, So let me ask you about c J.

924
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 2: Gardner Johnson. You know, obviously a guy who Brad Holmes

925
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: identified as a guy who could be a huge piece

926
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: to this defense. A versatile guy you look at Philly

927
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: last year, played four hundred snaps at safety, two hundred

928
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: at Nickel, two hundred in the box, A guy you

929
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: can move all over. How big of a signing was

930
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: that for Detroit? And just what kind of player is

931
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: Detroit getting? And c J.

932
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 5: Gardner Johnson talented player and the versatility is what makes

933
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 5: him so valuable. Right Like when I first got here

934
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 5: to camp, I was like, okay, so chohnceon one in

935
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 5: starting safeties. Who's the other one, Kirby or Tracy and

936
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 5: you were like, no, No, Chohnceon's playing the slot, and

937
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, Well, when he was in Philly,

938
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 5: he was primarily the deep safety, and the whole point

939
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 5: of him leaving New Orleans was he wanted to be

940
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 5: the deep safety. Now he was here in De Troy

941
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 5: and he can play the slot for them, But then

942
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 5: in different packages, you can put him back at play

943
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 5: safety and you bring Brian Branch out of the field

944
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 5: and it just snowballs, and it snowballs and snowballs. Right,

945
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 5: There's so many defensive packages you can play that other

946
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 5: teams can't because they don't have a Chauncey. And when

947
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,959
Speaker 5: you play as much man coverage as Aaron Glenn does,

948
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 5: asking your safety to come down in the box, some

949
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 5: defenses asked that safety, it'll be really good against the run.

950
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 5: Other defenses, like Glenn's need him to be able to

951
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 5: cover slot receivers. And that's literally what Chauncey was doing

952
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 5: for like four years in New Orleans. You can't find

953
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 5: a better safety who can play over the slot than

954
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 5: you can in Johncey Garner Johnson. So it's a great, great,

955
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 5: great fit. He's a very valuable player. He's a vocal players.

956
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 5: He's a leader in the sense he's a tone center, right,

957
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 5: Like you know what I'm saying, Like he will he

958
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 5: will be known since he will be aggressive if the

959
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 5: defense is not playing if not playing well, he will

960
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 5: make it a point and outline that, which is a

961
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 5: good thing to have when you still got some youth

962
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 5: in the defense as well. And so Johnson's a very

963
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 5: valuable piece to a defense that hopes he continue to

964
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 5: be more more versatile.

965
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: In the back end, and a defense that hopes to

966
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: get more hands up footballs have a little bit more

967
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: ball skills. So you look at a guy like that

968
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: right six interceptions tied for the NFL league in only

969
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: twelve games. We saw it with Kirby Joseph right Camp.

970
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: Sutton has that ability to So it's guys that have

971
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: been brought in to kind of get hands on football's,

972
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: you know, be those ball hawks to turn the football over.

973
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: That's been the big emphasis here with what Brad's done

974
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: in the secondary. But when you're good in the secondary,

975
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: just how does that translate to all of your defense?

976
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it allows Glenn to do that which

977
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 5: he's wanted to do them. But he's tried to do him,

978
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 5: but he's done in his first couple of years here,

979
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 5: which is play a ton of man coverage and line

980
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 5: up and beat you for four quarters. That they had

981
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 5: indeterminate success to that, right, They had lows and they

982
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 5: have swells over the last couple of years. Obviously, two

983
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 5: seasons ago, the secondary was unbelievable young. The entire defense

984
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 5: was extremely young. Last year they started to figure stuff out,

985
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 5: and they have good stretches and bad stretches.

986
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 8: Like I said, but you end up in a point.

987
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 5: Where you you look at like Jeff Akuda and Amano

988
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 5: or a warrior, and you say, okay, we want to

989
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 5: make an improvement in this bad defensive backfield if we're

990
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 5: really going to be a team that just lines of

991
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 5: beads and man coverage for four quarters. So you go

992
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 5: get side and you have Moseley, who Mosley is great

993
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 5: when he's healthy, right, you have Jerry Jacobs already in

994
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 5: the building, and then Chance is kind of that kicker

995
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 5: right where you weren't necessarily planning on getting that done,

996
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 5: but all of a sudden he's available. The market isn't

997
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 5: what you thought it would be, and he's he's there.

998
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 5: On a one year deal. Brian Branch falls to year

999
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 5: in the forties. Seems all right, well and we're gonna

1000
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 5: do this thing. Let's do thing, you know, and so

1001
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 5: you what you you see, Like the Lions were first

1002
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 5: in the last year and cover one rate. They were

1003
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 5: thirty third league overall and man coverage rate. This team

1004
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 5: wants to just line up and play with their defensive

1005
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 5: backs and be able to match a variety of body

1006
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 5: types and a variety of receivers of receiver skills. And

1007
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 5: they're better equipped now to do that.

1008
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 8: Than they ever have been an Aaron Glenn's tenure. And

1009
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 8: that's what they're hoping for.

1010
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 2: Then, you know, just as I do that when you

1011
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: talk about pass defense of the NFL, it's a marriage

1012
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: between rush and cover, right, and the cover part was

1013
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: the issue. I think you look at some of the

1014
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: guys they've got up front, what they can do lining

1015
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: up on the edges with Aiden Hutchinson, with Charles Harris.

1016
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: We saw a James Houston at the end of last year.

1017
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: They're excited about Josh Pascal, John Kaminski can do a

1018
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: lot of things inside outside, it looks like they've got

1019
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: the depth and the guys up runt, especially on the edge,

1020
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: to be able to get after the quarterback make things uncomfortable.

1021
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: It was always just kind of in the back end.

1022
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: They didn't have those guys that could cover just long enough.

1023
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: Now it seems like they've got that marriage a much

1024
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: closer now, don't they.

1025
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: Ben.

1026
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Now what you still worry about, it was

1027
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 5: you worry about the interior, the defensive line, you over

1028
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 5: with the lineback and core because they were losing to

1029
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 5: the running game, especially running game like on first and

1030
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 5: ten running game from passing looks they lost a gun

1031
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 5: run a lot last year. And it's because you start

1032
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 5: to pour all these resources inappropriately so into the pass

1033
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 5: rush for spot right, you spend the second round round

1034
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 5: pass well, the first round around Hudginson. You pay the

1035
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 5: money to Kee Kaminski here, you spend all that capital

1036
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 5: in the secondary, and you go and you get camp

1037
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 5: Sutton and Mosley and Garner Johnson and Brian Branch and

1038
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 5: you're looking there now at Jack Campbell and Alee McNeil,

1039
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 5: a third round pack out of Western Kentucky, Proderc Pater Martin. Yeah,

1040
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 5: and you're saying, right like, we really need these guys

1041
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 5: to solve this problem for us, Right, this is kind

1042
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 5: of this is all we've got here in the interior.

1043
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 5: We have a lot of redundancy and a lot of depth,

1044
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 5: and ed Rusher a lot of redundancy in depth and

1045
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 5: the defensive backfield. That's what you want it to be.

1046
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 5: Now that core becomes really really important. Right, That's not

1047
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 5: the sexy jobs, not the fun jobs, not the status

1048
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 5: stat sheet stuffing jobs. The other jobs that get you

1049
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 5: to that third and seven over that pass rush that

1050
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 5: covers can shine as well. So you're looking at that

1051
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 5: core as an important part of this defense.

1052
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: I had Pat Herwin and Jim Miller on before you,

1053
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: and Pat one of the things he's excited about was

1054
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: alle McNeil. You know how he's lost twenty two pounds.

1055
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: How we look quick. I stood next to you at

1056
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: practice a little bit and we watched that a little bit.

1057
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: Aliem looks a little bit different. I mean, you know,

1058
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: I've seen them obviously every practice, every game he's been here,

1059
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: but you can really tell the twenty two pounds in

1060
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: the body fatnes he dropped.

1061
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 8: For me, I would say he looks dramatically different.

1062
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: Right.

1063
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 5: For you, it's like they gradual thinks me. I saw

1064
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,479
Speaker 5: him and I was like, that's not the same player

1065
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 5: that was at NC State. And that's a guy going

1066
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 5: from I'm going to play over the center. I'm going

1067
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 5: to play in the A gap too. Now I'm going

1068
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 5: to be a permanent B gap player, right, I'm going

1069
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 5: to add stuff as a pass rusher and as a penetrator,

1070
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 5: which he's had such delightful flashes.

1071
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 8: Everybody knows the giant game in the ten pressure game, right,

1072
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 8: it's there.

1073
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, you can taste, you can feel it,

1074
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 5: and so kudos to him for an extremely fast body

1075
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 5: recomposition and kind of a commitment to that role. Yeah,

1076
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 5: I've always loved Lee McNeil since he was with the

1077
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 5: wolf Back. He's a good prospect.

1078
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: But to your point, need a guy like him, Need

1079
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: a guy like levi own Serike, a second round pick

1080
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: from a few years ago who obviously battled injuries. You

1081
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: need that guy to step up up front, be that

1082
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: guy next to a leam and then obviously need to

1083
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: hit on Jack, you know, and Jack's got to be

1084
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: a player here, all right. But let's go to the

1085
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: other side of the ball a little bit. I know,

1086
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: you know, one of the reasons why you're in town here,

1087
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, want to get with Jeered Golf, do something

1088
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: for the Ringer there impressions of golf in the year

1089
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: he had last year. How impressive was that, because obviously

1090
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 2: it's a tough situation he had two years ago, moved

1091
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: here joining a team that look was young and very good.

1092
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: Let's be honest and to evolve what he did from

1093
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one to two thousand and two, I think

1094
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: he deserves a lot of credit for that. Just what

1095
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: you thought of that season last year.

1096
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 5: Brad Holmes, whenever he talks about golf, he makes the

1097
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 5: point where when we drafted golf at a cal he

1098
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 5: was really young and we saw that he had a

1099
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 5: lot of development to do, he had a lot of upside.

1100
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 5: And then you know, four or five years later, stuff

1101
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 5: with Sean mcvay's fracturing. He's available in the trade market,

1102
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 5: and Holmes the GM of the Lions, and he looks

1103
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 5: at golf and he goes, well, he's still like, actually

1104
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 5: really young for a guy's in the league for five years

1105
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 5: and he still has a lot of development and upside.

1106
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 5: Like the same thing that I saw when he was

1107
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 5: there at cal I still see now where he can

1108
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 5: he can continue to get better, So they go and

1109
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 5: they acquire him the trade from Matthew Stafford, and the

1110
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 5: headline of that trade is Stafford goes to the Rams

1111
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 5: and the you know, the Rams tossed Golf in as

1112
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 5: a salary cap filler, but in reality, Golf has now

1113
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 5: had the starting job for multiple years and has gotten

1114
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 5: better for multiple years. He's got to oc who knows

1115
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 5: where's bread is buttered. And Ben Johnson does a great

1116
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 5: job setting up the offense where Golf is strong, and

1117
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 5: you had from Golf last year or his emphatic best

1118
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 5: season since the twenty seventeen season, like he played better

1119
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 5: than I think he did in twenty eighteen when they

1120
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 5: made the Super Bowl run, and certainly then he did

1121
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 5: since then. This is not just like one of the

1122
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 5: best versions of Golf that we've seen over the course

1123
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 5: of his career, but also feels like a much more

1124
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 5: stable version, a much more certain version. Right when you

1125
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 5: had twenty sixteen Jeff Fisher horrible rookie season, to them

1126
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 5: this twenty seventeen twenty eighteen explosion, you figure the truth

1127
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 5: is somewhere in the middle, and you kind of vacillate

1128
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 5: and settle, and now it feels like he's actually picking up.

1129
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 5: But he's mature, he's growing. You see this with a

1130
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 5: lot of the veteran quarterbacks in this system, right like

1131
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 5: Jimmy Garoppolo and Kirk Cousins, like guys who okay in

1132
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 5: their first few years starting. You're watching their prolific success

1133
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 5: in these offenses and going is this them? Is this

1134
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 5: the coaching staff? Is the play calling? Is this the system?

1135
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 5: But I actually, you've just taken so many snaps in

1136
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 5: the NFL. You give so much experience that you know

1137
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 5: what it looks like.

1138
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 8: You've seen it all.

1139
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 5: You've seen the woodses and you see the changes, and

1140
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 5: you know what you can get to and what you

1141
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 5: can get to, and you develop this veteran ability to

1142
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 5: just manage the offense.

1143
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 8: And I think that's where we're seeing Jared Goff right now.

1144
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: I look at Jered golf in last season. The thing

1145
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: that impresses me the most is the three hundred and

1146
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: twenty four straight passes without an interception. But it's not

1147
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: just the three hundred and twenty four minutes doing it

1148
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: while having the number four passing offense. You know the

1149
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 2: number four overall offense, number five end points and number

1150
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: eight in passing. So it's not like you're dnking and

1151
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 2: dunking and you're doing this and you're not making plays

1152
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 2: down the field. He's just really at a spot where

1153
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 2: I think he understands it. If he doesn't turn the

1154
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: football over, he's got the weapons. Now, he's in a

1155
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: great scheme that fits him. He's one of the best

1156
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: play action passers in the league. This is a play

1157
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: action offense that he seems like he's in a good spot.

1158
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the big part of the turnovers, right, it's like, okay,

1159
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 5: avoid interceptions. The other drive killers are fumbles and sacks,

1160
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 5: and golf is always always been a mobile quarterbacks, always

1161
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 5: stayed in the pocket. And the concern with him coming

1162
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 5: out of cow right was the small hands. It would

1163
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 5: have been holding on the football. Behind this offensive line,

1164
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 5: you're not gonna have as many sacks and fumble.

1165
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 8: Problems as you would otherwise.

1166
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 5: Right, you got the boys, You're going to be predicted

1167
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 5: pretty well, and so if you do your job on interceptions,

1168
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 5: they're gonna handle your job over there. And all of

1169
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 5: a sudden, it's clean pockets. And GOP's always been great

1170
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 5: making throws under pressure. Andre taken a hit, so when

1171
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 5: things get muddy, he'll hole hang in there and he'll

1172
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 5: throw the ball. But you don't really have to worry

1173
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 5: too much about the I gotta run around, I gotta

1174
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 5: deal with pressure, and I gotta.

1175
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 8: Deal with hits like he has such good pass protection.

1176
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 8: And the play action helps as well.

1177
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 5: Up front that handle your business on the interceptions and

1178
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 5: understand like this offense can just work for you.

1179
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 8: It can plug, it can chuck.

1180
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 5: And the final piece of that puzzle is you don't

1181
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 5: need to get ten yards and three downs. You need

1182
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 5: to get ten and four. And that's the benefit of

1183
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 5: having that aggressive coach is you get to third and six,

1184
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 5: third and seven, you go, I really got to hang

1185
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 5: in the pocket. I gotta let this route develop deep.

1186
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: Down the field.

1187
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 5: And then you remember Dan Cample's gonna go f on

1188
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 5: fourth and two, so I can dump this thing off

1189
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 5: short of the six right now. And if I just

1190
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 5: get a positive play, they're gonna give me another opportunity

1191
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 5: to go get this And so holistically, now the Lions

1192
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 5: have a great infrastructure off it's ave line and play caller,

1193
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 5: an aggressive head coach to let golf chill. Now I

1194
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 5: feel like he has to push and I feel like

1195
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 5: he has to attack tight windows facilitate the offense, which

1196
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 5: worked great. Like it sounds not sexy, right, I was like, oh,

1197
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 5: you know they're protecting him. That's a top five passing offense, right,

1198
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 5: We're just fine. What about Ben Johnson and that fit

1199
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 5: for Jared? It seems like it's a perfect fit.

1200
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: And we talked about this with Jimmy Patt a little

1201
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: bit too, but just you know, for Ben to bring

1202
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 2: you know, Jared in when building this office, it wasn't

1203
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: here's my offense learning. It was let's do this together.

1204
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: It seems that that's really benefited Jared two and I

1205
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: think that's helped him settle in maybe quicker than some

1206
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: quarterbacks learning in the offense going to their second year

1207
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: with offense. It seems like this offense and the way

1208
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 2: Bend communicates got him involved. Just the way he calls

1209
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: a game just seems to really benefit Jared and he's

1210
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: almost a perfect fit for it.

1211
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it wasn't even that Ben brought Jared into

1212
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 5: his offense and said, okay, what works for you. Ben

1213
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 5: got the job and Jared was already here right, Like

1214
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 5: Ben came up from Titans coach if resect.

1215
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, and so he sits.

1216
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 5: Down with Jared and goes, okay, what'd you like, you know,

1217
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 5: like let's figure this thing out. Ben Johnson is such

1218
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 5: an impressive coach and also a challenging coach for somebody

1219
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 5: like me to talk to talk about excuse me because

1220
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 5: usual way I do. Like he came from this this

1221
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 5: coaching tree and they run this stuff, and this is

1222
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 5: where you see he kind of adjusted and changed it.

1223
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 5: And Ben not came out of nowhere a little. It

1224
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 5: came out of nowhere, and he just steals stuff right

1225
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 5: like they run a lot of a lot of like

1226
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 5: traditional McBay stuff. And so the golf saw from the rams.

1227
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 5: But Ben was never on that staff. No, He's just

1228
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 5: just yanking from over there, saying, Okay.

1229
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: That's the stuff a lot. There's some concepts in there and.

1230
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 5: Now and that bring Jamior Gibbs in and we're gonna

1231
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 5: line up Gibbs as a running back, excuse me, as

1232
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 5: a wide receiver, like you know, ten percent whatever percent

1233
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 5: ends up being of all our all our snaps. And

1234
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 5: again you'll look at Ben Johnson and this offensive coaching staff,

1235
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 5: and you go, Okay, who came up with this?

1236
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: Like who's doing this?

1237
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 5: Like where who was on the Christian McCaffrey staff, who

1238
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 5: was on the you know, Austin Eckler staff. Who who's

1239
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 5: got a background in this? The answer is not really anybody.

1240
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 5: They're just Okay, this is something that works across the league,

1241
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 5: and we have a guy who can do it, So

1242
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 5: let's go steal some stuff from some other place and

1243
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 5: put it together.

1244
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: And that.

1245
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 5: A lot of guys wish they could do that. Few

1246
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 5: guys can pull it off, right. It's it's a lot

1247
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 5: harder than it seems to graft stuff from different trees

1248
00:52:58,840 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 5: and build out the cohesive off.

1249
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 8: So kudos to Ben Johnson.

1250
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 5: That's why it was a hot commodity on the coaching market,

1251
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 5: and that's why he deserves that that attention is because

1252
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 5: not a lot of guys can pull off what he's

1253
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 5: pulled off here at a very quick period of time

1254
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 5: in Detroit.

1255
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: So what are you mostly excited about? We'll finish with

1256
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: that just heading into the season, when you think about

1257
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions, what maybe excites you, what maybe concerns you,

1258
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: what's maybe that that kind of thing that you go

1259
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: to when you think about the Detroit Lions heading into

1260
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three.

1261
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 8: I love watching teams growing to contenders. I think it's

1262
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:29,479
Speaker 8: really cool.

1263
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 5: I like to think about what the Lions could potentially

1264
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 5: be doing at the trade deadline if they have a

1265
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 5: good record and they're looking to kind of, you know,

1266
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 5: jump this thing up to the next level. I was

1267
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 5: joking with with Pja, who works with always off Screen,

1268
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 5: about beating the Chiefs in Week one, you know, and

1269
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 5: kind of.

1270
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 8: Having a statement game.

1271
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 5: But like, the Lions didn't make the playoffs last season,

1272
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 5: they didn't finish the job. But it feels like a

1273
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 5: different team. It feels like a growing it feels like

1274
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 5: an emerging team into a contender. So it's extremely exciting.

1275
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 5: It's just cool to watch. There's an other side of

1276
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 5: that coin, which is that brings new pressure, that brings

1277
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 5: new expectations, that brings new urgency. Right, it's awesome to

1278
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 5: sit down to bring in our guys and to build

1279
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 5: it up right, and to do it with our culture

1280
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 5: and the Dan Campbell way.

1281
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 3: Right.

1282
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 5: Cam Sutton's not like known in the league as a star,

1283
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 5: but he's a good corner. He's a great culture grind.

1284
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 5: He's nice and tough, right a mon Rossain Brown was

1285
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 5: not known to be a star, but fourth round pacuos

1286
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 5: and he earns as stripes. You know, there's a lot

1287
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 5: of we build it up here, right, we get like

1288
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 5: you know, not necessarily the s tier stars, but some

1289
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 5: guys like you know, good to great players, and we

1290
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 5: have a culture here, we have a.

1291
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 8: Connection here, and that that grows.

1292
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 5: That's great, and that's really nice and easy when just

1293
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 5: like the vibes are good. But once the expectations get

1294
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 5: really high and the pressure dials on, that's where you

1295
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 5: like to have stars that you can lean on. That's

1296
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 5: you like to have guys who have been there before

1297
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:41,959
Speaker 5: and not be a young team of being an older team.

1298
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Speaker 5: And that's that's the difficult and challenging metamorphosis, but still

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Speaker 5: the necessary and exciting metamorphis as the lines have to undergo.

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Speaker 2: And every good team has to go through that.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's an old saying of you know, you've got to

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Speaker 2: almost lose before you can win, but you've got to

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Speaker 2: get to that point, get close than lose, then you

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Speaker 2: can get over the edge. It should be really fun

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Speaker 2: to watch and I love how because we can talk

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Speaker 2: about anything. I can ask you anything and you can

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Speaker 2: just roll. He's been a.

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Speaker 8: Kicker battle going on.

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Speaker 2: I was watching him. The kicker battle is tight. Is tight.

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Speaker 2: We can we can go into that too. We can

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Speaker 2: sit here for a half hour and talk stuff. But

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you. You become a friend of the show.

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Speaker 2: You're a good guest to have. I love having you on.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Alan park Here for the next few days,

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Speaker 2: he has been sole like from the rearing air