1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: What is up? Runner Gang, Welcome back to Post Run High. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: I just completed a five mile run and full sit 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: down conversation with Mike Posner. You guys might know Mike 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: from his hit songs like Cooler than Me and I 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: Took a Pill in Ibiza. 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: I took a Pill in Ibiza. 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: To show a vichiya I was cool and that song 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: We're Gonna find Out is based on a true story 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: and it's a pretty interesting one. 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: But Mike is so much. 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: More than just a hit artist that can write incredible 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: pop songs. Mike walked across America solo, Mike summited Mount Everest, 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: and he's also gearing up for an adventure that he's 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: not yet disclosing this summer. 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: Mike is truly such an inspiration. 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: Some of the things that he's accomplished so many of 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: us can only dream of doing, and sitting down with 18 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: him today was a true testament to that. 19 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: As you guys know, movement. 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: Is the core of all of my shows, from my 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: running Interview show to Post Run High. We are on 22 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: a mission to get the world moving and that translates 23 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: in different ways, whether it's physically, mentally, or emotionally, and 24 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: our conversation with Mike really taps all of those things. 25 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: So I'm really excited for you guys to listen to 26 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: this conversation. Before we get into the interview, I just 27 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: want to flag that if you guys are loving post 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: Run High, please make sure you subscribe to my YouTube channel. 29 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: This is where you can find all the video versions 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: of our sit down interviews and our running interviews. My 31 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: YouTube channel is at kate max and also follow me 32 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: across socials at kate max. I'd love for you guys 33 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: to stay up to date and all the stuff that 34 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: we have going on and see who we have coming 35 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: on the show next. Without further ado, let's get into 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: our conversation with Mike. We just ran about five miles. 37 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: I did not expect to run five miles today. 38 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: But you are a serious runner. 39 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, you are too. 40 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: I'm so impressed. Thank you. 41 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm so curious what your adventure is that you're preparing 42 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: for this song. 43 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 3: I can't tell you soon soon. 44 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: So everybody that knows Mike and is a fan of 45 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: Mike knows that he is not only an incredible artist 46 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: and songwriter and producer, but you also have this real 47 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: like adventurous side of you and the spiritual side of you. 48 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. Yeah. I just I love life, 49 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 3: you know. And it's so easy to put yourself in 50 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 3: a box or allow others to put put you in 51 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: a box. But I like my calendar to reflect my heart. 52 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: And one of the things I love is being outside 53 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: in epic places. And I love mountains and I love 54 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 3: being outside a natural park. So I do that and 55 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 3: most artists don't do that. Isn't maybe a big part 56 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: of their life, and that's fine, But I like both 57 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 3: those things. So my life reflects growing up. 58 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: Were you always somebody that loved sports and being outside 59 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: as a kid. 60 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 3: My mom, God bless her heart. They put a lot 61 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: of effort into exposing me to the outdoors. And I 62 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 3: grew up in Detroit and a lot of my friends 63 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: never went on planes and never went to the mountains 64 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: and stuff, but my parents always they would drive us 65 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: to places like Colorado and stuff. Can't imagine two kids 66 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: in a mini van like four days, you know, at 67 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: three four days driving us And so it is really 68 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: I have my parents to thank for my mom my 69 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: dad for giving me that export because they're both of 70 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: my parents are city people, but they gave us that exposure, 71 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: my sister and I, and I think maybe they kind 72 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: of regretted it when I started, you know, climbing Everest 73 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: and stuff like that, but I took it a little far. 74 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's how the seed was planted. 75 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: My favorite things to do as a kid was when 76 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: my parents would take us like hiking. And I grew 77 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: up in New Jersey, so there aren't like that many 78 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: places to hikes. 79 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: New Jersey's beautiful. Yeah, I walked across New Jersey. 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: You started your walk across America in Asbury Park, right. 81 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: I remember just seeing this state is beautiful. So it's 82 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: the Garden State. I get it. 83 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: You know, Jersey gets a bad rep, but I'm like, seriously, 84 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: there are parts of Jersey that are. 85 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: So beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. 86 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: So for people that are wondering what I just referenced, 87 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: Mike walked across America. So before he hyped Mount Everest, 88 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: he accomplished another serious feat. And you started in Asbury Park. 89 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: Was there a significance to starting in Asbury Park for you? 90 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: I mean, besides Bruce Springsteen, that was it. 91 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: I think I read Bruce's book A couple of years, no, 92 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: I think that year. And also I had played the 93 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: Stone Pony before, so I had done a concert there 94 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: and we were just looking on the map of places 95 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 3: that could start. Originally I was going to try to 96 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: go to Detroit on my walk. I decided not to 97 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 3: do that because it was like an extra two hundred 98 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 3: mile loop, and by the time I got to Ohio, 99 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 3: I was like, this is hard enough. So it was 100 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: roughly in the right place. And so it's just a 101 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: SMA scattering of cities on the eastern Seaboard. I hadn't 102 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: heard of any of them except that one. And it 103 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: was also a place was really important. I wanted to 104 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 3: start in the water, so there was there's a public 105 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 3: beach there, so I wanted to go from ocean to ocean, 106 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: and so it checked all those boxes. 107 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: Did you have a ton of people that came out 108 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: to kind of walk with you at your start? 109 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 3: It was about thirty people there at the beginning, and 110 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: at the beginning before I ended up getting bit by 111 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 3: rattlesnake two thirds of the way, but before that I 112 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: would say, you know, if you find me, you can 113 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: walk with me. And so people came from all over 114 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: the US to walk with me, and we talked a 115 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: little bit about this on our run. But I would 116 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: always ask why did you come here? And sometimes they 117 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 3: just wanted to picture. Sometimes they just wanted to see 118 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: if they could find me, like it was a weird 119 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 3: scavenger hunt. But sometimes they came because they had no 120 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: one else to talk to. So it was a really 121 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: deep experience. And often the troubles or problems or challenges 122 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 3: that the people would tell me about that they were 123 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: going through reminded me of my own or helped me 124 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: see my own challenges in a new way. 125 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: What do you think besides getting bit by a rattle 126 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: steak was the hardest part about your journey? 127 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 3: I can think of a few arts. 128 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: Like, let's do like physically, mentally, and emotionally, because I 129 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: feel like they're all kind of separate. 130 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair, the physical and mental one around the 131 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: same times in Missouri getting into Kansas, where at the 132 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 3: beginning the pain, the physical pain was somewhere in the 133 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 3: realm of physical pain I had experienced before being a 134 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: runner growing up. Oh, this is like I can compare 135 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 3: this to running cross country in high school or now. 136 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 3: It's worse than high school, but it's still in the 137 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: same ballpark, and after a thousand miles, it wasn't in 138 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: the same world anymore. And so wake up every day 139 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: and it makes me a little emotional, but you can. 140 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: It's hard to stand up, and the pain is just 141 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: unfurls like a branch of evil tree, from the heels, 142 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: up the legs into the hips, and you're just thinking, like, 143 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if the damage I'm doing now is 144 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: recoverable because I have no reference point. This is this 145 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 3: permanent to be in a place in your life to 146 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 3: know that as bad as this hurts physically, to quit 147 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: and go back to the life I left behind is worse. 148 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: And so now I do a really good job taking 149 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: care of this body. But to be in a journey 150 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: where your body is speaking to you very clearly every day, 151 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: saying one sentence, a one word sentence, stop stop stop stop, 152 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: you're hurting me stop, and your spirit is saying something 153 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: just as clearly, two words sentence, keep going, keep going, 154 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: keep going, keep going, and deciding every single day I'm 155 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: going to listen to spirit. 156 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: I have so many follow ups from that, Let's start here. 157 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: Do you feel like your pain thresholds went up after 158 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: that experience? 159 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 2: Like did it change you? 160 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: Oh? 161 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, changed me from the core you know. Actually, a 162 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: more accurate way to say it is is it helped 163 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: me see who I really was, so didn't Who I am? 164 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 3: Who you are is there in every moment, and we 165 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 3: can lose sight of it. We can put mental concepts 166 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: or judgments or things in the mental clutter can be 167 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: like a screen in front of reality, or it can 168 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: cover over the soul, but it's not there, so you're 169 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: never never changing your soul, You're just undaling it. More So, 170 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 3: I think your question was in regards to pain. Yeah, 171 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: as I as I. If we made a graph of 172 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: my experience of pain as the journey went on, it 173 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: was linear. It just went more and more and more 174 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: and more and more and more and more. We could 175 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 3: also do a graph of the space of my consciousness 176 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 3: that was like a parabolic curve. So as the pain 177 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 3: was getting more, the space of who I was got bigger, 178 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 3: meaning I was experiencing more intense pain. But the pain 179 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: was like a cloud in a big sky instead of 180 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: if you zoom in on just a cloud, it looks 181 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 3: like your whole reality. 182 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm really passionate about the topic of purpose. I think 183 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about finding their purpose and 184 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: figuring out who they are, and I think it's actually 185 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: one of the hardest things that you can do, but 186 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: also one of the most important things to figure out. 187 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: What is your calling? What is the impact that you 188 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: want to have? And why are you on this earth. 189 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding when I say I think about it 190 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: all the time, and I really, especially as I've gotten older, 191 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: have kind of double clicked into it even more and 192 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: said to myself, what is the impact that I want 193 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: to leave on the people that choose to watch my 194 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: content that. 195 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: Are in my life. 196 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: So I'm curious, like, based on what you said and 197 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: what you learned about yourself, what is your purpose? 198 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 3: Beautiful that you asked the question is more important that 199 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 3: it seems like you've come up with an answer. And 200 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 3: when you have that answer, that's like a north star. 201 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 3: It's like a direction north You don't get to it 202 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: a goal you can achieve and be done. Your purpose 203 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: is a direction. But when you have that clarity, you 204 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: can start to work downstream you like you do, meaning, 205 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 3: then what are my yearly goals? What do I want 206 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: accomplish this year that's in line with this purpose which 207 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: you have, And then what are my weekly goals? And 208 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: then what are my daily goals? And not only the accomplishments, 209 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 3: but what is the intention behind the show? What do 210 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: I want? What is the impact I want to have? Also? 211 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: Purpose can change, and I think it should. One of 212 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 3: my favorite books is Victor frankel Man Search for Meaning. 213 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if he says it this way, maybe 214 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: I minced his words, but I like to think about 215 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 3: it like this. Most people look at life and question, 216 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: why is life not meeting my expectations? I think we're 217 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: supposed to do the opposite, meaning, why am I not 218 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 3: meeting life's expectations of me? So this is a backdoor 219 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: way to get to purpose. What does life expect of me? 220 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: Or a nicer way to frame it, what is life 221 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: calling forth from me? And that could change in a moment, 222 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 3: in a season. So if you asked me two years ago, 223 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 3: I would have said, I, Mike Posner, see here, feel 224 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 3: and know. My purpose is to be a kind artist 225 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: who creates transcendence for myself and others. One year ago 226 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: I changed my purpose is to be a leader who 227 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: unlocks the magic potential in myself and others. This year 228 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 3: it changed again. I realized there's still a little bit 229 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 3: ego in that, Like it's my job. It's not my 230 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: job twenty four to seven to unlock the magic potential 231 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: and myself. Right, some people don't need their magic potential unlocked. Right, 232 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: some people just want to like sell you a coffee. 233 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: Right. 234 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: You know, it's like I'm in the seven eleven, I'm 235 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: unlock the magic potent, right. 236 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that though. It's cool. 237 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: It's cool, but it's part of my life. If I 238 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: go into my family, right, I'll tell you what it 239 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 3: is now, but just speak a little more and why 240 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: that's a flaw in that. 241 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: Right. 242 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 3: If I go to my mom, I'm not unlock the mat. 243 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: But she doesn't need to be coached by me. Twenty 244 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 3: four to seven. My girlfriend, she needs to be coached 245 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: by me. So there needs me to be loved by me. Right. 246 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: So so my purpose now, then you asked me on 247 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: this day, I'm Mike Posner. I see, I hear, I feel. 248 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: I know. My purpose is to do God's will. That's 249 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 3: it simple, and that changes moment to moment to moment. 250 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 3: The more I do that I let go to control 251 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 3: of my life, the better it flows. So that's my purpose. Now, 252 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 3: given a lot of thought to this, you know purpose, 253 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: and like you're you're an entrepreneur or a hustler, it's 254 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: very clear, like you've built this incredible thing out of 255 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: it like that that coincides with your passions and it's amazing. 256 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 3: And so people like us we always have a We 257 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 3: always have a vision. You have a vision, and joy 258 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: comes from a beautiful vision mixed with presents. So presence 259 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: plus beautiful vision equals joy. So the pitfall for myself 260 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: sometimes you get if you overweight one of those too much. 261 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 3: Like I have this vision, I'm working towards it, but 262 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 3: it can start to feel too heavy. You know, at 263 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: the end of the day, we're here just in Earth school. Right, 264 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: you have a vision, like you're crying something beautiful, you 265 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 3: have goals for it, I'm sure like they're probably mapped out, 266 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. 267 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: I mean I have goals for myself. 268 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: But while I think it's important to have goals, I 269 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: think it's really important to let life happen and be 270 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: really present because if you're not present, you're missing so 271 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: many opportunities that might come your way. 272 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: Right, You've got to have both because just the presence without. 273 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: I've tried that before, like spent a lot of time 274 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: sitting with my legs crossed like this, like at the 275 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: retreat center, at the monastery. You have to have both 276 00:14:58,640 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 3: and have them balance. 277 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure this has taken a lot of work to 278 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: get where you are today. We can like roll back 279 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: the tape and go back to when you were kind 280 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: of just experiencing fame. 281 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: For the first time. What was that like for you? 282 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: It was overwhelming. I wasn't used to getting that much attention. 283 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: Did you like the attention? 284 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: Well, part of me loved it and craved it and 285 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: worshiped it before I had it, because I thought that 286 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: if I got it, my internal state would would change, 287 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: would be better. I thought it would result in me 288 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: feeling more respect for myself. And I got it, and 289 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 3: I didn't. I felt exactly the same as so my 290 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: mind creep saying, oh, maybe you just need to get 291 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 3: more of it, right, you know. So it's a tale 292 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: as all as time. Right, it's such a cliche story. 293 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: I'm almost like as it tant to tell it, you know. 294 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: But. 295 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: That was my experience, and so part of me craved 296 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 3: it and then part of me hated it, and then 297 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 3: pardon me, wanted to get attention for it being so hard, 298 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: and and you know the whole thing. It was just 299 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: a vicious cycle and spiral into to nothing. But at 300 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: this point I can see how it happened for me. 301 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: I couldn't teach what I teach now. If I didn't 302 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: have these experiences, I couldn't. I couldn't tell people, Hey, 303 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 3: this is this is what life is really about. Presence 304 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: plus plus compelling vision of the future was joy. Had 305 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: I not gone through this, I would have no perspective 306 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 3: on it. If people say, well, what did you ever accomplish, Well, 307 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: I've accomplished a lot now, so I can actually speak 308 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 3: to it right, not from theory, not from a book, 309 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 3: but because I did feel despair. I did go to 310 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: number one on the pop charts, and I did still 311 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: feel despair. I did walk across America, I did climb everest, 312 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: I did contemplate suicide in my life, and I did 313 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: get to a point now where my life is incredible, 314 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 3: not without challenges or like big challenges, most of them internal. 315 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 3: Often a few days ago, I'm like, what am I did? Right? 316 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 3: But I know how to meet these challenges, and I 317 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 3: have a track record of meeting every challenge, and that's 318 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: a self respect that I earned and myself all these 319 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: these challenges that came up in my life, I can 320 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 3: look back and truly be grateful for them, because without 321 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 3: any of them, I wouldn't be here and I wouldn't 322 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 3: be able to connect on a deep level with other 323 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: people that are in pain. Humans are funny, right, We 324 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 3: have all different lives, we're all so unique, but the 325 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 3: emotions we feel, I believe, are kind of the same. 326 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: I really like what you said about how could you 327 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: speak to something if you hadn't experienced it, because that 328 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: is so true and it's so cool, Like the perspective 329 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: that you have on situations. I mean, it's not every 330 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: day you get to meet somebody that has had the 331 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: level of the success that you've had and also had 332 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: the level of self reflection. What is your advice to 333 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: kind of younger people that might have been in your 334 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: shoes or going through. 335 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: Those same kind of emotions, even if it isn't fame. 336 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some kind of success, right. Yeah, I wish 337 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 3: I had like a big brother at the time. You've 338 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,479 Speaker 3: experienced some version of this, like you said, to have 339 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 3: success and then a lot of opportunities come a ton 340 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 3: of them, more than you can physically do, and a 341 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 3: lot of them are opportunities you would have killed for 342 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: a year ago, and now all of a sudden, there's 343 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 3: too many of them, like too many good ones. So 344 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 3: I would say learning how to say no is a 345 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: big one. I have scripts in my phone that I 346 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 3: call them elegant nos. It's it's like a no basically 347 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: a decline of invitation that I've sat down and written 348 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: is a beautiful, elegant no, And I'll use as a 349 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 3: template to respond to invitations that are that are good, 350 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 3: but they're but they're not aligned with the purpose. 351 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: Learning how to say no is such a skill that 352 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: people need to learn, and I feel like it's a 353 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: really hard skill to learn, especially when you're young. And 354 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure you had a lot of experiences with this 355 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: where it's like you were twenty two twenty one with 356 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: hit songs, and all of a sudden you've got everybody 357 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: being like, I want to interview him, I want to 358 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: have him on my show, you know, I want to 359 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: help him produce a music video. So learning how to 360 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: say no is a real challenge. 361 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the big one. I wish I knew them. Yeah, 362 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 3: and that is okay to say. 363 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: No. 364 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 3: I was really scared to disappoint people. 365 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 2: On the topic of fame and highs and lows. 366 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that your song I Took a Pill 367 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: in Ibiza was about what it was about until I 368 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: was doing some research on you recently. Yeah, can you 369 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: walk us through that journey of what you were going 370 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: through when you wrote that hit song I Took a 371 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: Pill in Ibisa. 372 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 3: I was in the studio with my friend Jake Owen, 373 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 3: he's a country the artists. We were basically doing what's 374 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 3: called passing the guitar, so I play a song from 375 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: the guitar. Then I passed to him. He played one, 376 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 3: and you pass it back and I play him with 377 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 3: a song, and Jake said, what is what's that song about? 378 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: I said this about this girl I had a thing 379 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 3: with in New York, and and then some of it 380 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 3: I just made up. And he looked at me and 381 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 3: he's like, well, why don't you just tell the truth? 382 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 3: I thought, Well, the people I work with in LA 383 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 3: don't really aren't really concerned with telling the truth and songs. 384 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 3: They're just concerned with writing hits like I thought for 385 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 3: the trail. Yeah, I think you know, if you go 386 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 3: into the recording studios, like the the underlying sometimes unspoken 387 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 3: messages like we're trying to write a hit, and it's 388 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 3: gotten a lot worse in the last few years when 389 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 3: people are like, hey, this line is tiktokable. Not all 390 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 3: the music, but much of the music is made in 391 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: kind of like this factory mindset, meaning it's not like 392 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 3: the focus isn't to make something beautiful, it's to make 393 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 3: something popular. So I had kind of gone through that 394 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 3: wash cycle and was coming out the other side of it. 395 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 3: And that night I was on the plane with his 396 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: question why don't you just tell the truth bouncing off 397 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 3: the walls of my head, and I just opened up 398 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 3: my notebook and wrote that song. 399 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: It's amazing, And you actually had an experience right when 400 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: you were in Ibs at an Avici concert. 401 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 3: I was jealous. My career had peaked and then troughed, 402 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 3: and now in Sweden, I'm alone, I'm drunk. That's when 403 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 3: I just still drink and I'm in the VIP section 404 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: and I wander out of the VIP section desperate, hoping 405 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 3: someone is going to recognize old Mike posner and give 406 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 3: me a hit of significance, and my prayers are answered. 407 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 3: Someone shows up and the last bag of pills and like, 408 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 3: you want one of these? I'm like yeah, And so 409 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 3: I just take an unknown drug from an unknown person, 410 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 3: mixing it with alcohol, and I'm looking at my friend 411 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: on the stage and I want to be where he 412 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 3: is and I'm not. And I used to be up there. 413 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 3: And so that night I felt just about as lonely 414 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 3: as a man can feel. I wrote this song not 415 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 3: that night, you know. I think people think, oh, I 416 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: wrote that now. I wrote it like two or three 417 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 3: years later because I had needed time to contextualize it 418 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 3: in the context or in the framework of my life. 419 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 3: So I wasn't maybe in that exact emotional state as 420 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: I wrote it, but I could remember it. I can 421 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 3: remember it now, you know, And it makes it more 422 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 3: special that my life is what it is now. I mean, 423 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: my life was a symbol for hedonism. I still meet 424 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: people to this day like, oh, man, I thought you're 425 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 3: gonna be an asshole. I thought you're gonna be I 426 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: thought you were a DJ. I thought you're a douchebag. 427 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 3: That's what my life stood for. When my career started 428 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 3: was drinking, partying, I go with girls, smoking, and now 429 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 3: to have my life be a symbol for something else, 430 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: it's nothing but pride. So I'm almost in a sick 431 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: way proud of my flaws where I came from, because 432 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: I know what I had to do to become n Now. 433 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: It's just gonna be so cool to see where you 434 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: continue to grow. I actually wrote down one of the 435 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: lyrics from your song because I thought it was so 436 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: ironic of I took a pill of ipisa, okay, but 437 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: I loved the lyric that was I'm just a singer 438 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: who already blew a shot because the irony of that. 439 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: Knowing what you were going through when you wrote that 440 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: lyric and that song, I would have had no idea. 441 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: I wrote this song, and it is years later that 442 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: it became popular, right. 443 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: And it started out as an acoustic version, right, And 444 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: then when did it become kind of the pop song 445 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: that people loved to sell? 446 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 3: These guys did a remix to it named seb these 447 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: two guys in Norway, and so it was like years later, 448 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 3: I remember playing that song in the park for people, 449 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: you know, just on my guitar, and then yeah, I 450 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 3: wass see it like I blew up in Norway and 451 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 3: then Sweden. I'm like, whoa started to get popular the. 452 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: Remix of it when it did kind of make its 453 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: resurgence where you like Whoa. 454 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like this is crazy. It's like a 455 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 3: song about not being famous and it's making me famous. 456 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 3: It's like so yeah, it's like life is life is beautiful, 457 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 3: and life is humorous. 458 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: And life can be so many things. You think you're 459 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: one thing, and then very quickly you become another. Right, 460 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: because you went from producing hit songs to then starting 461 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: to write music for other people. And I remember you 462 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: wrote Justin Bieber's Boyfriend, like you wrote so many songs, 463 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: songs from a room five like, I mean, it's incredible. 464 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: So did you quickly say to yourself, Okay, I'm gonna 465 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: pivot from producing my own music to writing for other people. 466 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 3: No, I actually, my career just was going horribly, so 467 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 3: my my record label wasn't really putting my songs out. 468 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 3: So I was like, I guess I'll just they were 469 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 3: all songs for me, those songs I'd written for my album, 470 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: and I was like, well, I'd rather have them come 471 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 3: out somebody else sing them than just not come out. 472 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 3: So that was it. Yeah, definitely. 473 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: And it's crazy to say, like you're like, my career 474 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,959 Speaker 1: was going horribly, but you were so young, Like there 475 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: were so many years you know, so like if you 476 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: could go back and like give advice to your younger 477 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: self that was like going through that low, what would 478 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: it be. 479 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 3: In that context? That's the job, But you don't know 480 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: that at that point because there's a big high in 481 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: your music career and then there's a big low. And 482 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: you know, to be frank, a lot of people, first off, 483 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 3: a lot most people never get to that high, right 484 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 3: for most people that want to get in the music industry, 485 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 3: beute artists fail. And then there's a lot of people, right, 486 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 3: there's so many people that go through the experience. I'm 487 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 3: about to say that there's a name for it, one 488 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: hit wonder. So there's no way for me to know 489 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 3: when I'm in that low that I'm going to come 490 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 3: back up again and my career is going to come 491 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 3: back up again. So knowing what I know now, I 492 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 3: would say, hey, man, that's the job. When you're artists 493 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 3: like you, you surf these waves of fame and popularity, 494 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 3: but your job is to make beautiful art, so I would. 495 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 3: I would say that to that young man. You can't 496 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: control the popularity. People sometimes ask me when you put 497 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 3: out your next hit song. I'm like, dude, if I 498 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 3: could control when they were hits, I would do it today. 499 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: You know. I just write, I make art, and then 500 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: sometimes they get popular. I don't know why or which ones. 501 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 3: It's always ran, you know, and so in some respects, 502 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 3: as an artist, your job is to ignore that tension. 503 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 3: You can't enjoy it. But it's a byproduct, not the direction, 504 00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: not the purpose. 505 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: I know you've got a new album coming out, which 506 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to listen to it. Thank you, so, like, 507 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: what can we expect in this new album and what 508 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: about it do you feel like is different than the 509 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: music you've written in the past. 510 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 3: That's a good question. The album is titled The Beginning, 511 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: and for me, it was the Beginning starts at the end. 512 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny you turn a phrase like you 513 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 3: start at the end. This music is music I made 514 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 3: as the soundtrack to my own transformation. It's a gift 515 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: to be able to create that for yourself and then 516 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 3: share it and know that, hey, you know, this is 517 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 3: gonna go out into the universe and hopefully it's gonna 518 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 3: be a conduit to other people getting closer to their 519 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 3: own soul, their own truth, or helping them through a 520 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 3: tough time. And that's that's it. Maya Andrews said, your 521 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: legacy lies in the hearts of those that you touch. 522 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 3: Doing what you do or I do. We don't get 523 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 3: to meet all the people's hearts that we touch, so 524 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: you just you just do work and share it. So 525 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: thanks for letting me share it with your and your audience. 526 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 527 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: Well, Mike, I'm so excited for your new album to 528 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: come out. What's the best way for people to follow 529 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: your journey stay up to date on all the things 530 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: you have going on. 531 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of different ways for the music. Follow 532 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 3: me on Spotify. The core of my work exists. I 533 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 3: have a community and we do a call every Thursday 534 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: at three pm. And then there's a community that the 535 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: people are connected with all week and it's just a 536 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 3: beautiful group of human beings that are up leveling their 537 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 3: lives like you. 538 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: You know, wait, that's so cool. 539 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we we We're on Zoom every Thursday, three 540 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 3: pm Pacific or six PM Eastern. We're in New York, 541 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 3: and on those calls we dance. We usually do some 542 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: kind of breath work of meditation, and then I work 543 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 3: with people. I usually ask like, who's really fucked up, 544 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 3: Who's who's really going some going through something, and I 545 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 3: just work with them and if I have a distinction 546 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,479 Speaker 3: that can help, I'll give it to them. If not, 547 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 3: we just all pray for them and and that's what 548 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 3: we do every week. So it's one hundred percent free, 549 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: totally free. And if you join that community, there's another 550 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 3: album in our community that only exists there. It' it's 551 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 3: not on Spotify nor it's just for the community, and 552 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 3: it's also totally free. So that's the main thing I'm 553 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 3: working on. So if you or your viewers or your 554 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 3: husband want to join, that's you do. Yes, it's my 555 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 3: favorite thing in my week. You see, I'm light up 556 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 3: when I talk about I. 557 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: Know, do they share their stories with the group? 558 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: Oh? 559 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 3: Yes, deep, it's deep, like you know some people being 560 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 3: there like I'm I'm I'm drinking every day. You know, 561 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 3: people going through like it's real. It's real, it's not 562 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 3: softball questions like you know, how. 563 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: Do you respond to like an addiction question like that. 564 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 3: For me, it's it's always first listening deeply. We talked 565 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 3: about that a few times. It's like I have to 566 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 3: really listen and understand where this person is, why, what 567 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 3: are they really saying behind even their words, and feel that. 568 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: And then if I'm doing a good job, I'm surrendering 569 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 3: and I'm sort of letting my purpose do God's will. 570 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 3: I'm letting spirit guide me. And I, like you said, 571 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 3: I got this big bag of tricks and hacks and 572 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 3: tools and all stuff, but if I'm not in the 573 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 3: place of listening or grace, they won't hear me. So 574 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 3: that's the biggest thing. States or moods are infectious, but 575 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 3: good states are infectious too, which is why you love 576 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 3: interviewing people on the run like you talked about, so 577 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 3: I could just remember, like I can't give someone like 578 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 3: someone I don't have, so gain into a state letting 579 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 3: letting grace be there and go from there. And then 580 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 3: I got all these tools and stuff, but it has 581 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 3: to start with the with the state. 582 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like it's an amazing practice also 583 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: to actively listen to people, especially that are going through 584 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: hard times, because like you live this really exciting life. 585 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes when you've got so much going on, 586 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: it's hard to give people your one on one, undivided, 587 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: like present attention. So I feel like that act in 588 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: itself of you speaking to somebody that might be struggling 589 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: with addiction or going through a loss or grieving something, 590 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: it is spiritual in itself. And I also think like 591 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: one of the things that we kind of talked about 592 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: on the run that I've definitely learned and had to 593 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: learn is that when you're listening to somebody, it's okay 594 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: to not totally understand what they're going through or not 595 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: be able to relate to it. 596 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think as well said, even even understanding that 597 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 3: you can't understand the nuance, just the gift of hearing 598 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 3: someone is a is a real gift that you that 599 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 3: we all can give each other, you know. 600 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: So I agree, all right, Well, I love you. 601 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: This was so fun, Pee Sah