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Speaker 1: You should not be fair, Chase. Yeah, Smokey is not fair, Chase.

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Speaker 1: This is the third podcast in our Montana Tour series.

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Speaker 1: Cody Wyoming. This podcast is where Colby moorehead the Bear

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Speaker 1: Tech and I sit down and talk about our do

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Speaker 1: the road. Yeah yeah, so they piled up big big

427
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: piles of dirt keep cars and foreweathers out of there. Yeah,

428
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: So so Is he was like, I've never seen this before.

429
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: So Smokey just chucked on through and then she just

430
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: followed along. And so like we would do this thing

431
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: to where is he and Clay would lead and then

432
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: whenever we would come to something that, uh maybe is

433
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: he had an encounter before she was uneasy about. Smokey

434
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: was like, let me add it. Like, you know, I

435
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: would have to hold him back not to go. He's like,

436
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,719
Speaker 1: I'll show how it's done on this part. You know.

437
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: He's very He was a good mentor for Is. He

438
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: he was certain areas because he just didn't care, you know. Uh.

439
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: And then anyways, we came to some dead fall to

440
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: where like the to where the tree had fallen across

441
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: the road and then uh, the low part was on

442
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: the outside edge of the of the road, so there

443
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: was like a decent like drop off I guess, like

444
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: a high, high steep degree of of drop beside it.

445
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: And so Is he just went up to it and

446
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: just stepped over it. No problem. Smoke he's a jumper,

447
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: we found out. He went up and he looked at it,

448
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: and then he just decided I got to jump this thing.

449
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: But in the part of him jumping, his back leg

450
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: called a called a limb too, And so I I

451
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: don't know if I think this is where your perspective

452
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 1: needs to come in. Yeah, well, let me say too.

453
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: There was all this There were all these limbs, as

454
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: we call it in the industry, widow makers sticking back

455
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: towards us, and we were kind of navigating just a

456
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: small hole through this dead fall. And it actually happened

457
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: twice in about thirty minutes Kobe where we had to

458
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: cross these logs. And the first time is he and

459
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: I made it across, and I turned around just in

460
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: time to see Smoke just sailing through the air. And

461
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: Kobe wasn't ready for it, I guess. And uh, I

462
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: mean you wouldn't have known he was a jumper. I mean,

463
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: is he stepped over and that's kind of what you

464
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: want a mule to do. You really don't want him jump.

465
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: But it was high enough that I think Smoke had

466
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: to jump. And uh, and man, I look back and

467
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: I see about eight inches of air between Colby's butt

468
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: in the saddle, and I see it appeared like your

469
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: feet were out of the stirrups too. I mean, all

470
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: you were holding onto was the reins. If if we

471
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: could have had like a snapshot of that, it would

472
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: have been incredible. And I I just know, I mean,

473
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: like there's not a question. It's like Colby's gonna hit

474
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: the dirt. Like I knew that. And you know, equine

475
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: rex um basically all involved someone hitting the dirt and it.

476
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: It seems like it wouldn't have been that big a deal.

477
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, like you hit the dirt while you're

478
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: carrying a forty pound pack, you have a pack on.

479
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: I think at that time, didn't you know we didn't

480
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: have well I mean it sounds simple, but like you

481
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 1: hit the dirt, you might break your leg. I mean

482
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: there was a steep hill off to the right side.

483
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: I was I was worried about getting impaled by dead fall,

484
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: like for real, or you know, not impaled like you're

485
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: gonna die, but like that dead fall could have put

486
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: a gash on your legs. So big we had, I mean,

487
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different things that could have happen. Anyway,

488
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: I see Kolbe in the and I just think, I

489
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: just think, man, he's about to eat dirt. And man,

490
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: you landed that thing like a like a skier, like

491
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: an Olympic skier on those big jumps, and bam, you

492
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: stuck it. You stuck the landing. And I was like,

493
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: all right, and then we go and just a little

494
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: bit up, the same thing happened again, did it not?

495
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: That's the way I remember, And you did this well

496
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: this time I got off is he and That's that's

497
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: when I came over and I was gonna try to

498
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: just like be there. I didn't know what I was

499
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: gonna do. But that's when smokes back foot back feet

500
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: caught the log and the log slam into the back

501
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: of my leg as it jumped. It was a smaller log, Yeah,

502
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: and I thought we were both gonna be in the dirt,

503
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: and anyway, we stayed on. So that was that was

504
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: the first like trial by fire that you survived to

505
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: skip ahead just a little bit. The other thing that

506
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: happened that got you your mule skinner wings was on

507
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: day two. Yeah, tell us what happened. I hit the ground. Yeah, Yeah,

508
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: I hit the snow. It was almost inevitable. It was

509
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: gonna happen at some point. We at the end of

510
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: the day when we were talking about how I had

511
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: have this, this full mule experience, there's just the stuff

512
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: that we had done and except for falling off and

513
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: then day two long behold like it was like a

514
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: foreshadowing of U events that were a certainty. Yeah. And

515
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: so we're coming up, we're driving, We're coming down a

516
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: road and there's a big snow bank. We're up in

517
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: about six thousand feet and there's a pretty deep snow bank,

518
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: and the mules are really self preserving, and my in

519
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: my mind, I was like, well, if the mules will

520
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: walk on the snow bank, then it's safe. And so

521
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: smoke just he's out in front leading and he's walking

522
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: across the snow bank. And then you tell me what happened. Well,

523
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, Clay turned on his GoPro and he was like, oh,

524
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: this is a cool shot. Well, we're what you know,

525
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: we're walking and all of a sudden, all I see

526
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: is like smoke He's right front foot just disappears, or

527
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: his his hoof his leg and then I mean, I

528
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: get real close to the ground, real quick. But the

529
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: video makes it look a little graceful though, like this

530
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: kind of slow mo. So basically the Smokey's front right

531
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: foot just went to the ground, which was about two

532
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: ft beneath the surface of the snow. Well, I think

533
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: on the video that's what we thought happened in the

534
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: video when we were watching it. He actually just it

535
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: looked like he slipped. Okay, yeah, there's a new I've

536
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: watched it again and again and now have even revised

537
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: what I thought happened. He fell through the snow, just

538
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: like we thought, quickly pulled his leg out of the

539
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: snow while you're still on him, puts his hoof back

540
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: on the snow and slips. So he did both. But

541
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 1: when he slipped is when you went off canter and

542
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: spot the snow. Because I could have sworn I saw

543
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: his let go through through. Well, you were right, And

544
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: then when we watched, I was like, it didn't even

545
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: go through the snow. He just slipped. It went through

546
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: the snow. Then he slipped, then he went down, and

547
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: that's when you went down. And luckily I had all this.

548
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: It was the first time I turned on the go

549
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: pro the whole trip, and I like thirty seconds before

550
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: I turned on the go pro because it was just

551
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: it was really pretty. We're coming across the snow and

552
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: captured on film, which everybody will be able to see

553
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: Colby hitting the ground on YouTube and social media platforms. Yeah,

554
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: if you're if you're around me, you've already seen it.

555
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just something cool about It's like

556
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: what happened? You got in some street crib around these parts, smoke,

557
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: you broke me in, getting dumped off the mule and then,

558
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: to make a long story short, we rode eighteen and

559
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: a half miles the first day trying to get back

560
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: to where this bear was. From where we saw it again,

561
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: it was only three miles, but to get there we

562
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: and as the crow flies, from where we parked to

563
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: where the bear was may have only been like five

564
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: or six miles. But the switchbacks, like these mountains are

565
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: super steep, and if you're following logging roads, you're following

566
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: these switchbacks. And so I mean you would you'd go

567
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: for a half a mile one direction and turn and

568
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: go for another half mile back the same direction and

569
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: look down in the road would be like seventy five

570
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: yards below you. So you've only gained very little. But

571
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: you really can't take these mules up stuff that's steep

572
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: and stay on them. I mean something that's like a

573
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what degree slope it would be, but

574
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a seventy degree slope. I mean, like,

575
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: dang here, straight up. You just can't ride up that stuff. Now,

576
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: a mule could go up it, you could lead that

577
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: animal up it, but then you might as well just

578
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: be walking because you're walking up the mountain, you know.

579
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: So I mean, so you you you choose to use

580
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: these logging roads to have these switchbacks pretty easy on

581
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: the mule, but it does take time. Um and uh,

582
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, our mules aren't big mules. They're not super fast.

583
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: There uh there you know is these almost fifteen hands

584
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: and smoke it's probably fourteen or less and uh, you know,

585
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: so they're not fast. You know, some guys have these

586
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: uh uh Tennessee Tennessee walking horses and and and different

587
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: things that are probably have a little a little a

588
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: little better pace than our mules. But we weren't interested

589
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: in speed. We're just interested in getting there safe and

590
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: and so that's what we did. But first day, we

591
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: we get to the top of the mountain and we

592
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: realize that we're in too deep to turn around. We're

593
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: further away than than we just couldn't get back really,

594
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: and long story short, we make it to the spot

595
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: where we can see where this bear was, and we

596
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: glassed for maybe thirty minutes from that point, and we

597
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: find the bear at five o'clock that afternoon. So we

598
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: started at eleven because we left kind of right when

599
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: we could start hunting, and it took us six hours

600
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: to get to where to get within a mile or

601
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: the bear, because it's not like we were two hundred

602
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: yards from the bear. We were like a mile, but

603
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: we could see the bear. And then we're like, well,

604
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: here we go, let's go find him. And so it

605
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: takes us an hour to ride around to get to

606
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: where the bear is. We come around this point, I

607
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: see the bear across the canyon six yards. Well, do

608
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: you want to talk about my other trial? Which one

609
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: the one where we had to lead the mules down

610
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: from where the one logging road into it down to

611
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: the lower one. That's where you you turned around and

612
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: I kept on him like rolling and falling. Okay, okay.

613
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: We learned that when you get off these animals to

614
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: lead them like I was able to lead Izzy pretty

615
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: easily down these real steep things. And then Kobe was

616
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: coming behind me, and Smoke would want to catch up

617
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: with us, and so Smoke would be like leading me,

618
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 1: leading you, and I had said, whatever you do, don't

619
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: let that animal go. That was my thing, and so

620
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: I turned around and Smoke is like dragging you down.

621
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: You're like rolling. Really I turned around four times in

622
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: the period of probably four minutes. Just check on. I mean,

623
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: I was trying to survive myself. So I wasn't that

624
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: worried about you, Koble. I'm sorry, but every time I

625
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: turned around and you were on the ground, and finally

626
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: I just yelled, just let him go, and and and

627
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: everything worked out fine. Like when we let him go,

628
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: he just came and got right behind Izzy. That was

629
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: our method going forward. You just have to let him go.

630
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: I got I got pretty whooked. Yeah, he just rolled

631
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: you down the mountain. And let's jump right to the

632
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: to the shot. Because the first day, first day, and

633
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: remember this is a culmination of two years of hunting

634
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: for me, um, and I had yet to even fire

635
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: a shot at a bear, and so on the first day,

636
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: we come around this corner bear is six hundred for

637
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: the yards, I want to I want to qualify the

638
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: shot because I did take a shot at that distance.

639
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm shooting the best of the west right long range rifle,

640
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: and I could take some heat for taking a shot

641
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: that far, and I'm okay with that because I know

642
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: what that gun is capable capable of, and I know

643
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: what I'm capable of. I'm a good shot with that gun.

644
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: I've shot at a lot at those distances. Um the

645
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: gun is validated the quote unquote out to nine yards,

646
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: which means that it literally has been proven accurate by

647
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: the best of the west guys before I even got

648
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: the gun. At nine yards, the Husking turrets, you can

649
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: dial the yard agen directly, so there's no m o A,

650
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: there's no calculation, there's no hold over. Okay, Usually with

651
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: a scope you would say six and fourty yards and

652
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: you would know the amount to hold over the animals.

653
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: So there's still some guessing that goes on. But with

654
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: the Husk Myth system, you know exactly because there's no

655
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: guessing because their turret is in yardage. So you range

656
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: the barrett six and fifty yards and you put you

657
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: turn the turret to six fifty and you put the

658
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: cross hairs exactly where you want to hit. And so

659
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: that's exactly what we did. I the only thing that

660
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: we didn't calculate for was the wind. And I've got

661
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: a super good prone to position rest rest on the backpack.

662
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: Had you take your beanie off, put the beanie on

663
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: the back butt of the gun, I squeeze the trigger

664
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: and fully confident that this bear is gonna hit the dirt.

665
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: I've I've shot extensively at long range with this gun

666
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: out well beyond six hund fifty yards, and and that

667
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: would be about the effective range that I feel like

668
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: I would shoot an animal for real, I wouldn't. I

669
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to shoot one much further than that, just

670
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: because I do know my capabilities and uh and and

671
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: honestly I can hit and this is not this is

672
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: not uh. This can't be equated to how good the

673
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: best of the west rifles are because they're actually better

674
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: than this. But I Clay Knucomb can consistently hit something

675
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: the size of a beach ball at eight hundred yards

676
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: with a two point prone rest. That's a good So,

677
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty pretty good shooting size of a

678
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: beach ball, so big black bear, I mean, that's within bounds.

679
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: But six fifty you know you're gonna drop that circle

680
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: down just a little bit smaller. So totally a legitimate shot.

681
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: But well, we didn't calculate was the wind Kolbe and

682
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: there was a cross wind, and at the time from

683
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: where we were at there wasn't much of a wind.

684
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: We couldn't we couldn't really feel a wind anyway. Soon

685
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: after we shot, we realized there was a cross wind

686
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: in this canyon. You saw the bullet hit far to

687
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: the right of the bear, and the bear was unhit. Yeah,

688
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: he scampered off up the mountain, looking around, trying to

689
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: figure what was happened. You know, heard a clap of thunder,

690
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: heard the dirt pop off to his left, and there's

691
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: right and uh so here we are in day one.

692
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: We've just traveled I believe at this point where like

693
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen miles I'm not sure away from the

694
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: truck per the amount we've traveled per on x Okay

695
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: and um the so we're in pretty deep and it's

696
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: like six o'clock and it's way too far to go

697
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: back to get to the truck. I mean, if we

698
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: if we went back the way we came, we'd be

699
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: riding for several hours in the dark. Um And it's

700
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: at this point that we have to make a decision

701
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: about how we're gonna get out of here. And it's

702
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: the only time in my hunting career that I've actually

703
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: thought that I was gonna have to stay the night

704
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: unplanned on the mountain. It was it was getting cold,

705
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: it was getting down below freezing at night. We had

706
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: no tent, no sleeping bag, no water. I think I'd

707
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: probably had my jet boil, may have had a jet

708
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: boil like for I'm not sure if I had brought

709
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: any food, but I had jet boil for making coffee.

710
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: I think we had some Becca bars, had some beck

711
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: Of bars. Becca bars are our friend Rebecca Spring makes

712
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: these uh granola chocolate chip raising not raising like cranberry

713
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: dried cranberry big bars with all They're good, so good

714
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: beck Of bars. We I did. We did have some

715
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: Beca Bars. And as we're coming out of there, I

716
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: was it was the only time I've really thought we're

717
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to stay the night on the mountain. I

718
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: was envisioned taking the wool saddle pad off my mule

719
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: and using it as a blanket and widen up underneath it,

720
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: and all I really thought there was no other way.

721
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: And at this point is when we pull out the

722
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: on X our on X on our phones and we

723
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: find a route that we previously had not seen that

724
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: came through. It was it was a legal route to

725
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: get out of this place that took us directly down

726
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: the mountain, and we found it. And I want to

727
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: take just a second here to talk about and this

728
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: is an un this is this is a just an

729
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: off the cuff plug for on X. Ridiculously good. And

730
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: I said this while we were on the mountain colbe

731
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: People talk about fair chase these days, you know what

732
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: makes a fair chase hunt? I mean, just let's hunt

733
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: like they did five years ago when it was just

734
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: man versus beast and no technology camp bait bears talk

735
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: about fair chase. Man on X ought to be not

736
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: fair chase. And I'm joking, I'm exaggerating to make a

737
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: point about how good these this on X mapping system is.

738
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: We would not have been able to do what we

739
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: did in six days of hunting. Without on X, would

740
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: have been lost. We would have been lost. We would

741
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: have been we wouldn't have been able to find roads,

742
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have been able to find private land boundaries

743
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: like ridiculous with on X. I joke. I joke all

744
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: the time with people about like they're upset with us

745
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: for using bait for bears, for using hounds for bears,

746
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: saying that that's fair chase. Let me tell you what's

747
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: not fair chase. Using on X. I'm obviously joking. I

748
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: think we should be able to use on X. It

749
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: makes the back country experience better. But there's all these

750
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: different ways to evaluate how we gain advantage over an animal.

751
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: And for someone to turn a blind eye to optics,

752
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: do you think, uh, prehistoric man had optics. We would

753
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: have never found this bear without high quality optics on

754
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: the first night from three or four miles away. So,

755
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean, people have to if people are are not

756
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: wanting to be powerfully hypocritical, they've got to be real

757
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: careful about where they pass judgment on ways that people hunt.

758
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: And obviously at Bear Hunting Magazine we are pro predator

759
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: hunting in every legal method, hunting that's based upon science

760
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: for regulating predator populations for the good of the whole ecosystem,

761
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: for the good of the ungulates, and for the good

762
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: of the bears themselves. And so hounds, bait, trapping, whatever

763
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: is legal, we gotta we gotta maintain it and inside

764
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: the honey. And this is a perfect segue into my

765
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: pet peeve is that there's all these people that are

766
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: big game hunters and and don't understand baiting and hounds

767
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: and these different things, and sometimes by their but inadvertently

768
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: they are actually against us in some way by the

769
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: way the stands that they take on these things, and

770
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: that's hurting the whole hunting community. And so we can

771
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: use bait, Well, you get to use on XA. I

772
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: hope that point is clear. It's it's kind of a joke,

773
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: but baiting man on X with baiting is basically equivalent

774
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: to hunting out of a helicopter with a machine gun.

775
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: Ted nugent, ted nugent helicopter machine gun is equivalent to

776
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: baiting bear. Using on X with Colby moorehead yeah, okay,

777
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: bam and smoke yeah, smoke. You should not be fair chase. Yeah,

778
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: smokey is not a fair chase. So we're we're in

779
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: a predicament. We think we're gonna to spend the night.

780
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: We basically navigate our way through some private land and

781
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: find a way out, okay, and we end up at

782
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: dark riding up to the house that we were staying

783
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: at the night before. We're supposed to be driving our

784
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: truck back to this plate. Well, we actually we're gonna camp.

785
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: We ride our mules down these like paved roads and

786
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: get back to our hosts home, knock on their door

787
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: and like, hey, could we borrow your truck to go

788
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: get our truck and we had gone about eighteen and

789
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: a half miles that day, which is an incredible day.

790
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: And you know, to me that is a power that

791
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: that day was an iconic experience for big game hunt

792
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: big game hunting for me. I mean, we worked our

793
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: tails off, went into New country, found the bear that

794
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: we were after, got a shot at the bear we

795
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: were after, failed, got in a sticky situation with daylight.

796
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: I thought we're gonna have to spend the night on

797
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: the mountain without provisions, ended up using technology to navigate through,

798
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: and ended up back to where we're going after dark.

799
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: But after a hard, long day and after day like that,

800
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: you do feel accomplished. You don't feel victorious because if

801
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: we had killed the bear, we'd have felt victorious, But

802
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: you feel accomplished. I feel victorious just for surviving. Yeah, yeah,

803
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: you did get man. You when when you rode eighteen

804
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: miles and stayed on that day, I was like, we're

805
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. Yeah, Kobe and I and I actually

806
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: thought I was right. I knew he could do it,

807
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: and you knew you could do it too. Mostly, there's

808
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people that couldn't have though, And I say,

809
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: that as a compliment to you. I remember just like

810
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: my legs giving out one of the times that we

811
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: had to lead, and I was just kind of like

812
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: I had that Grandpa walk down the mountain. It was

813
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: like angles, angles, but just like a little like half steps. Yeah. Well,

814
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: it was a great day. So let's let's skip through

815
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: the next two days. Basically, the next two days were

816
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: fairly uneventful. We tried some new areas, we went into

817
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: some new places. We we stayed overnight at one place,

818
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: Glass the Big Valley. The next morning Glass of the

819
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: same valley. Didn't see any bears on the second day,

820
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: third day, we ended up having to come back out

821
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: for some provisions, for some water, to charge some batteries,

822
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: went back up on the mountain where we shot the

823
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: bear on the first day. We got up there, spent

824
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: the evening glassing and did not see a bear that evening.

825
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: That's correct, we didn't see a bear. There were two

826
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: days we didn't see bear, I think, so let's just

827
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: say that for all purposes, we we certainly didn't put

828
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: a stock on a bear on day three. It was

829
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: day four when things started heating up. But on day

830
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: day so the morning of day four is when from

831
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: our camp and by this time we've now spent two

832
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: nights in the back country and we're camping up where

833
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: we missed the bear on the first day. We're overlooking

834
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: this big draw. It's a burn area, so there's patchy timber,

835
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: but you can see in multiple directions long distance. And

836
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: the thing about hunting up here is like you could

837
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: see a bear, like have a clear sight of a bear,

838
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: but him be hours away from you. And that's what

839
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: it's hard for people to understand. It's hard for me

840
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: to understand. Like sometimes when I think about hunting the West,

841
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm just like, well, there's a bear, go go kill it. Man.

842
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: It is not that easy. I think. The other thing

843
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: about where we were camping was the fact that the

844
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: wind was great for where where we weren't gonna be

845
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: blowing out a lot of a lot of bears if

846
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: they were close, you know. It's the way we came

847
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: in with the wind that just was blowing our scent

848
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: away from the areas where we had seen that before.

849
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: And so I think I don't think we would have

850
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: camped there if we didn't have the new access to

851
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: come in from that other direction. But it would end

852
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: up being perfect well, and we hadn't talked about the

853
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: new access yet. We we skipped over that. We we

854
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: basically looked up a landowner, went and contacted him by

855
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: phone and just said, hey, we're from Arkansas. We kind

856
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: of pulled the Arkansas mule card, which gets a lot

857
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: of sympathy and empathy seems to um and we're like, hey,

858
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 1: we're bear hunting. Would it be possible to go through

859
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: your land? And he was like, sure, no problem if

860
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: people ask, I don't have any problem and uh. And

861
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: I said, well, thank you so much. And I said

862
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: I want to come by and meet you and and

863
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: he was like, well, okay, if you want to do that.

864
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: We went over and shook his hand, talked to him

865
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: for a minute. He was an old outfitter, petted the dogs,

866
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: petted his dogs. That was key. Yeah, we accept your

867
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: animals too. So we we gained access and that's the

868
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: reason we're able to get back in there. I'm glad

869
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: you said that, because that sometimes these stories all come together.

870
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: The first day we had to ride twelve miles to

871
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: get to that spot. Now we only had to ride

872
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: three or four miles to get to that spot because

873
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: of the access we had. So day four, we're glassing

874
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: and you spot a bear across the canyon at nine

875
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. Somehow, somehow, it's just like a

876
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: little opening between the trees. And I spotted him, and

877
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: then whenever I came and told you came back, we

878
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: couldn't find him. Yeah, you were just like, I know,

879
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: it was a bear there, and it looked like you.

880
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: I remember you saying it looked like a good bear.

881
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean, just a mature just a just a solid bear.

882
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: And and so from there we were glass and glass

883
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: and glass, try to find us bear. Again, we can't

884
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: find him, but there's a lot of timber over there,

885
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: so we just figure he's in the timber. Well, we

886
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 1: just ide to go down the mountain to get directly across.

887
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: Didn't you glass him before we made the move, Like

888
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: right before we moved. I we finally found him at

889
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: two hours later. It was at eleven o'clock. He was

890
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: walking down that logging road about probably a quarter mile

891
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: from where you originally saw him, and he yeah, you're right,

892
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: he was walking down the logging road and we saw

893
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: him disappear into a little patch of timber. Yeah, do

894
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: you remember, and and that's actually where I ended up

895
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: spoiler alert killing the bear. The next day, we see

896
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: him going to this patch of timber and we're like, okay,

897
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: he's in that timber. We gotta get down across the

898
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: canyon from him and watch that block of timber until

899
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: he comes out. So we we ride the mules, uh,

900
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 1: probably a mile from our camp. We led him away, well,

901
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: we had to lead him because we we had to

902
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: traverse or a bunch of stuff where it was in

903
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: trails or anything. And we we got directly across the

904
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: camp Indian from this bear and just staked him out.

905
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: I remember we got there, I don't know, twelve thirty

906
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: or one o'clock something like that. And and and the

907
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: whole time we're riding, we we we saw the bear

908
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: going to the timber to eleven. The whole time we're riding,

909
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: we're glass in this like making sure he doesn't leave.

910
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: And we finally get over there and we're confident that

911
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: he's still there. We felt like if he had left,

912
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: we'd have seen him. We just set up camp. We're

913
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: still probably six seven yards away across the canyon. Wind

914
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: is perfect, It's never gonna hurt us. And we just

915
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: set up camp right there, metaphorical camp. We just sit

916
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: down and glass um. While we are sitting there waiting

917
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: for this bear. At four o'clock, a bear appears a

918
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty six yards away from us, on our

919
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: side of the mountain. And I'm sleeping, Colby's asleep, dead asleep.

920
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: I wake up the rocks being chunked at me. Yeah,

921
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: I sorry, cold, is like ten ft away. Um, laying

922
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: down on the other side of this log, and I

923
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: hollered at you first, you know, uh, muffled holler, you know,

924
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 1: call me, call me and you And so I picked

925
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: up a rock and through it hit you. You did it,

926
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: didn't budge you through another one bam. And then your

927
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: eyes popped open and I said, there's a bear right here,

928
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: and you jump up, grab the camera. The bear is

929
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: walking directly towards us, And pretty quickly I was able

930
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: to evaluate that it wasn't a bear that I was

931
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: interested in taking. But it still took a few minutes.

932
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure it wasn't, you know,

933
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 1: a shooter bear, and and you had a tag. And

934
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: after watching the bear for just too short I mean,

935
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: just the second that I realized I didn't want to

936
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: shoot it. I said, do you want to shoot that bear?

937
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: And you said yes, I do, yeah, And and so

938
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: we switched places. You jump on the gun. This bear

939
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: doesn't know we're here, and he's walking straight towards us

940
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: down the road like feeding on grass. Im And in

941
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: my mind when you jumped down on the gun, it

942
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: was like, we're gonna be skinning a bear in about

943
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. And uh, what happened. As soon as I

944
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: touched the gun, that bear just decided he was gonna

945
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: go up a path up the forest. Like I don't

946
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: think he knew we were there. It just he just

947
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: kind of just went up through the trees, never had

948
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: a shot. I mean, it was miraculous. Yeah. And then

949
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: when later we had what two coyotes that came up

950
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: and went up that same path, so like step for step,

951
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: called the same path as that bear. So Colby Colby's

952
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: opportunity slipped through his hands, which truly, I I I

953
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: that's the only part of the trip that I look

954
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: back on now and I just wish it had been different,

955
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: because it would have been awesome if you to kill

956
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: the bear, and you know, the rest of the trip,

957
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: you never got an opportunity to um. So when that

958
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: bear leaves, we continued to watch across the hillside for

959
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: the big bear. He never showed. Was never shows, never shows,

960
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: never shows. Finally it gets like seven o'clock, seven thirty.

961
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: We've been sitting there since one or two. Yeah, we've

962
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: been sitting there for six hour. I think we sit

963
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: there for six hours, and um, we decided that we're

964
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: gonna walk down the trail to get a little bit

965
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: different vantage point. We go down to that vantage point

966
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: and we leave the mules where they are. We leave

967
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: the mules, we start glassing, and what do we spy Blondie,

968
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: a spectacular blonde bear down weighed down in the canyon.

969
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: We've been kind of looking up high pretty much. People

970
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: had told me, and what we had seen was that

971
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: the bears were between four and six thousand feet that's

972
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: just typically where they were. Well, this bear was probably

973
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: three thousand feet down in the bottom of this valley.

974
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: And it was Man, I'll never forget finding that bear

975
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: in the by nose because when I first came out

976
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: and the bear wasn't moving, it just looked like this

977
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: br out of place yellow dot and I was just like,

978
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: no way, that's a color face bear. But dang, it

979
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: sure looks like one. It's but was facing me so

980
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: I couldn't see it's profile. I can see this just

981
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: like bright blond, yellow hump. I get to watching it

982
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: and it didn't move. But before it I just I

983
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: was like, that's a bear, color face bear. And finally

984
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: it moved. I saw its head and I was like,

985
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: that is a color face bear. Ranged and it was

986
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: seven dred yards away. I'm like, Kobe, we got to

987
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: get down there quick. We barrel off the mountain and

988
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: uh get pretty quickly within three and fifty yards of

989
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: it wins in our favor. I get down on the

990
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: gun and I'm gonna take that shot three and fifty

991
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: yards um and dial it in and the bear just

992
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: kind of is it is actually moving away from us.

993
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: So by the time I get down, I just almost

994
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: squeeze the trigger a couple of times, but then like, no, no,

995
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 1: wait wait if I of the bear kind of goes

996
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: out of sight. So we pick up all our gear

997
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: bust after the bear, and then it kind of becomes

998
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: a rodeo of us, of me trying to get a

999
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: shot on this bear, and what ends up happening is

1000
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: we're on a road above this bear, you know, a

1001
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: logging road, just to shut off small overgrown logging road,

1002
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: not overgrown, but and and this bear is down a

1003
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: very steep hill directly below us, and we can just

1004
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: see parts of the bear, like I can see the

1005
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: top of the bears back. I can see. That's mainly

1006
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: the challenge I was faced with. I had your shooting sticks,

1007
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 1: and I'm looking downhill and just right at this bear.

1008
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: It's an odd shot angle. And basically we move up

1009
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: and down the road multiple times trying to get a

1010
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: shot on this bear. As it's moving down the mountain.

1011
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: It has no idea that we're directly above it. The

1012
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: therminals are going up at that point, and so it's

1013
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean, this is about to happen. And I remember,

1014
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: right before I squeezed the trigger, I turned to you

1015
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: and I said, I don't think that's a very big bear.

1016
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: And now that I reflect on it, it was not

1017
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: a very big bear. I believe it was a soal

1018
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: most of these real bright colored bears out west or south. Well,

1019
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: we saw another sal that first day, right with two

1020
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: cubs the color facials. Oh that's right, we did. We

1021
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: forgot about the first day we saw a sal two

1022
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: cups um. But here I am on the now the

1023
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: third trip to Montana. This is the closest I've been

1024
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: to a bear. And you know, from my position, I

1025
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: want to shoot older mature males. I mean I preached that,

1026
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: and I wasn't sure about this bear. I mean it's

1027
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: it was only upon reflection that I really I was like, yeah,

1028
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: that was a sow and uh, but I'm gonna take

1029
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: this bear. I mean the or fifteen cumulative day of

1030
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: hunting in Montana, three trips, I mean, this is a

1031
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: big deal. And and I've I've never I have that's

1032
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: the only bright blonde bear. Well, I have seen one

1033
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: in Saskatchewan. I take that back. I saw bright blond

1034
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: bear and Saskatchewan, but spectacular animal Western bear is this

1035
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: is this is where I want to take long story short,

1036
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: I bury the crosshairs on that bare shoulder and shoot.

1037
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: And now I hadn't even told you this. I went

1038
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: back and looked at the footage like just on the

1039
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: big screen, I was I was fourteen inches above that

1040
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: bears back. Well, I'm serious. The ground just it hits

1041
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: some rocks. I mean, it was that it was. I

1042
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: bet it was fourteen inches over that bears back. I'm

1043
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: glad they cameraman captured that you did right over the shoulder. Yeah,

1044
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: and they'll get to see it on bear horizon. I'm

1045
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: not ashamed to put it on there. And I missed

1046
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: the bear. It bounds off like a gazelle that I

1047
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: had the arc, the range compensating or the the angle

1048
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: comme sitting range finder, your vortex. Bam. The bear was

1049
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: fifty two yards. I think in in line of sight

1050
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: it was probably eighty yards. I mean it was that

1051
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: steep and uh to this day, and I wish someone

1052
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: could explain to me the gun of zero to two

1053
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: hundred yards. I had the gun at zero um, and

1054
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: I just put the crosshairs mid body. I mean, I

1055
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: was just thinking, you know, I might be an inch

1056
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: or too high. I really wasn't thinking, to be honest,

1057
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: but I mean I I had a rest, I was

1058
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: steady squeezed, and I was way high. So maybe somebody

1059
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: could give us some insight for why I missed. We

1060
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: we kind of speculated, and the bear bounds off and

1061
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: and that's it. And I actually went down there and

1062
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 1: you know, just made sure that the bear wasn't laying

1063
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: down there dead. You know, we looked. We actually came

1064
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: back the next day and looked for the bear. We

1065
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: we went way out of away, went down to the

1066
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: bottom of that drainage, scouted around down in there, and

1067
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: never the bear. The bear is still being a bear

1068
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: out there today. Man. So now it's day four and

1069
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: I've missed two bears. Well, but then i missed another one.

1070
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting Kobe. No, no, but the end of that day,

1071
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: you went back for the mules, and I stayed there,

1072
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: and then I see the bear that we were immedially after,

1073
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: going back the opposite direction, like going the direction from

1074
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: which he came. And so we would have never had

1075
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: a play on that bear from where we were with

1076
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: what what he was doing. Yeah, So after we shoot

1077
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: this colored bear, we see the bear that we were

1078
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: originally after, and oh man, he just strutted down that

1079
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: mountains from us, not a care in the world, No

1080
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: way we could have got to him. I mean it

1081
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: was a but we did get intail from that that

1082
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: the bear was on that side of the mountain, and

1083
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, we hoped he would still be there the

1084
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: next day. Yea. So we go back to our our

1085
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: backcountry camp and eat a couple of mountain houses. You didn't,

1086
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: I did. Um. I went into some mode where I

1087
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: just didn't hardly eat. Yeah, he really did. We he

1088
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: didn't really eat. And now that was the day that

1089
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: I well, by the time I dropped off the mountain

1090
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: and came back up, I think we figured out climbed

1091
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: about vertical feet that day. Um. Um. We we wake

1092
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: up the next morning. Let's just jump to the next day,

1093
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: which is day five, and uh, then we go out

1094
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: because we're needing water and stuff. I think that's right. Yeah,

1095
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: because we didn't hunt until that afternoon. Yeah, we had

1096
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: to for some reason, we had to come out. Yeah,

1097
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: we did go out. I think we needed water and

1098
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: just like different things. Yeah. I think that's the morning

1099
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: of the epic breakfast. Oh you're right. Yeah, Yeah, we

1100
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: had a big breakfast down at down at the spot. Yeah. Um,

1101
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: the water. But we go back in because we now

1102
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: have this this shortcut into this place. It's not that

1103
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: hard it you know, it takes us about two hours

1104
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: by mule to get back to our camp. So we

1105
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: get back to our camp. Uh, we get back to

1106
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: our camp kind of late Yeah, it was like three

1107
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 1: o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, it might have been even

1108
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: later in the because I I stayed there because we're

1109
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: tearing down camp and setting it up every day, because

1110
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: we remember, we're trying to stay mobile. So we get

1111
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: back to camp at three or four or maybe even five,

1112
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: and I say, we make the decision, Kobe, you just

1113
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: stay here in glassroom camp, set up our camp, and

1114
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to take off on foot. We're gonna leave

1115
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: the mules here. And so I go out to the

1116
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: point where we had set up the day before, where

1117
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: we'd seen the bear. And it took me. I mean

1118
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: I had in Glass thirty minutes and I saw the

1119
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: bear and he's in basically the same spot, the same

1120
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: patch of timber. And I watch him and watch him

1121
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: and watch him, and he can't I can't decide which

1122
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: direction he's gonna go because the direction that he goes

1123
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: will we'll determine which direction that I go. And if

1124
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: he goes out the mountain to the south, he'll he's

1125
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: kind of out of play. But if he goes to

1126
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: the north, back up to the head of the hollow,

1127
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: oh man, it's game on. I can eat him well. Yeah,

1128
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: that all those roads kind of narrow to that point.

1129
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: And so towards the head of the you're basically together

1130
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: like the top of a triangle. Yes, the closer you

1131
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: because you get to the head of the hollow, the

1132
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: closer the shot distances across the canyon. Yeah. And I'm

1133
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: glassing this bear from a different spot, and you know,

1134
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: not knowing what's going on, I'm like, man, that bears yeah, yeah,

1135
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: if it was a different now it was the same bear. Yeah. Well,

1136
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: and so I'm trying to determine what the spaar is

1137
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: gonna do. And finally it's kind of like he's just

1138
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: stalling over there. And I felt like he only had

1139
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: two decisions and that he was gonna do one or

1140
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: the other, go north or south, but he really didn't.

1141
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: He kind of just stayed there. Um. But it was

1142
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: hard to determine that because he would be out of

1143
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: visibility and invisibility, and basically I felt like he was

1144
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: going to go back to the north, which would have

1145
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: been to my advantage. And so I start heading up

1146
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: the hollow, but he never comes. In long story short,

1147
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: I make the decision to try to beat darkness and

1148
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: go get on his side. Of the mountain. It's kind

1149
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: of like he's not doing anything. I'm gonna have to

1150
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: go over there to him, and so I just start

1151
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,919
Speaker 1: hooking it. And it's a couple a mile walk, uh,

1152
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, around the head of this canyon. And I mean,

1153
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: I remember, I'm just walking as fast as I can walk,

1154
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: just just pound and pound and pounded. Now wasn't happened

1155
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: to There was only one time when I had to

1156
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: gain some elevation um. But for the most part it

1157
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: was relatively easy walking. Others just long distance, other than

1158
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: this one section where it had to gain about five

1159
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: feet elevation um. And basically I get over there, and

1160
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: at this point it really didn't matter if the wind

1161
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: was in my favor or not. I mean, we're on

1162
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: day five. I know there's a bear back over here,

1163
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: and luckily the wind was in my favor. But even

1164
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: if it wasn't, I think I still I still would

1165
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: have gone. I mean, we were were. There comes a

1166
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: point in a hunt when you just have to make

1167
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: something happen and you just have to like feel you

1168
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: just have to say something good it's gonna happen. And

1169
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: so I come around this point and man, the bear

1170
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: is just right there. He's a hundred and sixty nine

1171
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: yards standing on this logging road. And when I say road,

1172
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: this is like a what do they call it? Defunctionalized road.

1173
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: There's a phrase that they use out there, a reclaimed

1174
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean it hadn't you couldn't have ridden a four

1175
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: with her on. I mean just a old logging road

1176
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: and the and the bears right there, and I mean

1177
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: that's totally in range. He doesn't know him. They're hundred

1178
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: and sixty nine yards. I mean that's like a chip shot.

1179
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: And man, the excitement and satisfaction of seeing that bear,

1180
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: it was incredible. Of all my hunting experiences, it was

1181
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: as good as any of them in terms of and

1182
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to describe because of the work

1183
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: that we put in up and at that point, not

1184
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: but just this time, but with the other two, and

1185
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,439
Speaker 1: it's like, finally, I'm really within striking distance of a bear.

1186
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have time to get down on him. He

1187
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: doesn't know him. Here it's just perfect, and I'm getting

1188
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: a proposition. You know, put the gun zero to two hundred,

1189
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: put it right behind his shoulder. Bam, you hear the

1190
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: shot go off. You can't see us. You can't see

1191
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: no idea what's going on. I just knew one shot

1192
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: meant one of you is gonna die. I'm just kidding.

1193
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: You were like, please don't miss again. You watched me

1194
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: miss twice at long and close and they're like, man,

1195
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: he's he's explored the gamut of potential misses here. Yeah.

1196
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: I decided that the third times of charm, we're I'm

1197
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: gonna start giving you a hard time. Yeah. Well, in

1198
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: between two, it's to note that we went and shot

1199
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: the gun upon the mountain because we were like, it's

1200
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: something wrong. Missed twice, one at close range, when it

1201
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: long range, you know, is the gun off? And we

1202
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: did go and shoot and right where, shot at tunity

1203
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: yards at a rock about probably seven inch rock, and

1204
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: just just so we felt good about the gun. But

1205
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: still after missing twice, it does take some of your confidence.

1206
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: But when I squeezed the trigger, I felt like the

1207
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: bear was hit. You know, sometimes with a rifle shot,

1208
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: it's amazing you you don't. You feel like they're just

1209
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: gonna roll over. But you know, I hit him in

1210
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: the lungs, so so if I had hit him in

1211
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: the shoulder, he probably would have folded up. But oh

1212
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: my god, I wish that would have happened. He still

1213
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: would have barreled off there because he was off the

1214
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: edge of the road, but he might have just rolled

1215
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: down there rather than a hundred yards he but when

1216
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: I shot, he sailed like a superhero off that mountain,

1217
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: and I just I never see him again. It's just

1218
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: a flash, and I run over there, thinking I'm gonna

1219
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: get a second shot if he's still moving, and I

1220
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: hear him. I don't hear him death moon, but I

1221
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: hear him growling down there. Pretty much, if you hear

1222
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: a vocalization I've found after a shot, it's usually a

1223
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: good thing. And UM felt like the barrel is dead.

1224
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: I go over there and pretty much immediately just go

1225
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: down to the bear, and I find the bear. UM

1226
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: find the bear probably eight two hundred yards below the road,

1227
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: And that sounds like he ran far. He didn't run far.

1228
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: He just he probably made three or four big bounds

1229
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: and then just rolled that. That's how far. It was.

1230
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 1: Pretty it was pretty down. It was Uh it was

1231
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: straight down. So man, I was incredibly excited. UH made

1232
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 1: it back to camp surprisingly before dark, and per on

1233
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: X I traveled like seven and a half miles round

1234
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 1: trip that afternoon from camp, and Man, we went back

1235
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: in there the next day with the mules, and it's

1236
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: kind of a another story, but one of the big

1237
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: things that we didn't know was whether our mules would

1238
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: carry a bear. We didn't We really didn't know. Is

1239
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: he was untested, is he is he's carried coons, turkeys.

1240
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: I know she'll carry a deer. I've had a deer

1241
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: here that uh put up on her back. Um, she's

1242
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: had some bad experiences with bears though. When we're baiting

1243
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: bears in Arkansas, she had some We had some live

1244
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: bears come in on us while we're baiting bears multiple times.

1245
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 1: Kind of freaked her out. Smoke he's the great mystery. Yeah,

1246
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: and we don't know about Smoke. I mean, a mule

1247
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: could go either way. You could have the best mule

1248
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: in the world quote unquote like Hiden mule and him

1249
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: be petrified of the game. We do not know. We

1250
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: don't know Smokey's history trade. It only bought Smoky about

1251
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: a year before and had never carried big game on.

1252
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: Smoky just carried squirrels on him. So, Man, we start

1253
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: bringing up meat and hide and that's a whole other story.

1254
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: But we got it up out of there, quartered him

1255
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: up on the side of the mountain, brought him out

1256
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: of there, and big footholes to get back up. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1257
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was. It was true Western

1258
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: experience for a hundred yards. Because we had to pack

1259
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: that thing out of there. It wouldn't have been that

1260
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: bad once we got it up out of that ravine.

1261
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: Then it had just been two hours of just kind

1262
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: of downhill walking. But basically Izzy was okay with the meat,

1263
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: and to make a long story short, she carried the

1264
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: meat no problem, but she flipped out on the hide.

1265
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: So for all you following Project Honey mule, um, I've

1266
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: got to be honest about the update. She flipped out.

1267
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean flipped out to the point I thought she

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01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: was gonna hurt herself. Uh, she's tied, she's tied to

1269
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: a tree, and uh, I mean I think like she's

1270
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: gonna break her neck trying to get away from this

1271
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: bear high or break the lead. She hit it hard. Yeah,

1272
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: it's so much so that I tied another rope onto

1273
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: her halter, thinking she's gonna break that lead and bust

1274
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: out of here, and we're gonna have to catch her,

1275
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: and at least we'll have another lead on her that

1276
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: maybe we can catch her. Well, we just took our time.

1277
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: If there's one thing that I do understand about training

1278
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: equine animals, as you just got to give them time

1279
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: and you can't pressure them. And so we sat there

1280
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: with that hide within about thirty feet of her for

1281
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: probably twenty thirty minutes, just chilled out, just kind of

1282
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: set around, messed with the animals. I'll put the meat

1283
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,879
Speaker 1: on Izzy, which I was very happy with, very pleased

1284
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: that that she let me put the meat on her.

1285
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: Had no problem with that. Um, I'd bring meat over

1286
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: in my hands were just covered in bare smell, and

1287
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: I would feed her these you know, our our range cubes.

1288
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 1: So she's having to put her nose down in bear

1289
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: and and and eat. I've fed her on top of

1290
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: some of the meat bags, put grain on them, or

1291
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, the cubes. And but every time I would

1292
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: inch towards her with that hide, she would flip out.

1293
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: So pretty much this is a stressful situation because we

1294
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: don't know if Smokey's gonna do the same thing. Long

1295
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: story short, we bring smoke over and he could care

1296
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: less about that bear. Yeah. I mean I put some

1297
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: range cubes on the bear hide and he's just like,

1298
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: oh cool range cube. He's just like eating the range

1299
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: cubes off of this bear hide. I'm like, okay, that's

1300
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: a good sign. I mean a I was praying, yeah,

1301
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: I really was. I was just like, God, help us

1302
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: to make this work somehow. And man's moke saved the day.

1303
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: And we just threw that hide over the saddle horn

1304
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: smoke and just came out of there, no big deal.

1305
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: And it is like she was getting closer and closer

1306
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: and getting okay with it, like yeah, so I think

1307
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 1: I think smoke even helped her something. So for two

1308
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 1: hours coming out of there, she was riding right behind Smoky.

1309
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: He's carrying this bear hide. She's down window that she's

1310
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: watching it. And so it was actually a great experience

1311
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: for her. I mean when we stopped, she eating, like

1312
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: went up put her nose up to it and see,

1313
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: these are the things that you have to do as

1314
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: an animal trainer. Is that you know, like somebody that

1315
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: didn't they didn't know, might have just been like, well,

1316
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: that mule is never gonna carry carry hides. You know

1317
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 1: that Peo will never carry a bear hide, or if

1318
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: we'd have pressured her, we truly could have ruined her

1319
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: from it. Like if I would have just been just

1320
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: like thrown it on her and just said buck all

1321
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: you want. I mean, like that would have been a

1322
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: massive mistake that you might not ever be will recover from.

1323
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: But the way we did it, I was I was

1324
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 1: very happy. I mean I would have been real happy

1325
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: if she had just walked up there and I could

1326
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 1: have just thrown it on her back. But it didn't happen,

1327
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: and so but she carried all meat out of there

1328
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: and out of there we came when he got back

1329
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: to the truck about two o'clock in the afternoon. We

1330
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: had left our camp at daylight. So it took us

1331
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: like eight hours with mules to get that bear out

1332
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: of there. We were that far back. It just it

1333
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: was just hard. It just everything about that kind of

1334
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: hunting and it's hard. Uh, smoke got wore out. I mean,

1335
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: this last track, this is day six now, and per

1336
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: on X after the full thing we had traveled. I

1337
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: think I calculated like fifty eight point five miles or

1338
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: something by the time we finished day six with the

1339
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: bear hut out and on the way up the mountain

1340
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: on day six, smoke was pretty much done. He was, Yeah,

1341
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: he wasn't living life. He was just like, I mean,

1342
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 1: he's he wasn't lame. You know, sometimes you can get

1343
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: an animal in the back country and they they just

1344
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: pretty much get where they can't walk and they just

1345
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: need to rest for three days, and that's a bad

1346
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: situation to be in. Smokey just found his granny gear

1347
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: and just would chug along. But every chance he would

1348
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: get he would want to go back down the mountain.

1349
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: You know, he was trying to just found his low

1350
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: gear and he's like, this is what I'm willing to give.

1351
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: And we finally on the way up, had to get

1352
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: you off of him and we had to walk him

1353
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: just to get him going. But thankfully the way down

1354
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 1: the mountain he did great. And man, we came out

1355
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: of there feeling like a couple of heroes with a

1356
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 1: bear hide over the saddle horn and meat and kolbe.

1357
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: To me, that was iconic moment that as a bear hunter,

1358
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to experience equine based my mules. I mean,

1359
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: smoke wasn't my mule, but close enough. Yeah, Uh, my

1360
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: mule that I trained road the whole week. Um, we

1361
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: went back in there, we killed a bear. Um. You know,

1362
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: we've got this this shirt that I made earlier in

1363
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: the year of some artwork that I did. Um, I

1364
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,759
Speaker 1: like to draw and stuff anyway, mule riding bear hunter.

1365
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: And it's a picture of a guy, um coming out

1366
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 1: with on a mule with a bear draped over the

1367
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: saddle horn. And uh, this was that to me. And

1368
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, there's all these different categorization of bear hunts,

1369
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you can go to southeast Alaska

1370
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: and hunt these bears back in these estuaries, you know,

1371
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: tidal estuaries, and you can go uh to Arkansas and

1372
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 1: hunt bears over bait. You can go up north and

1373
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 1: hunt bear in the boreal forest. You can go to

1374
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: the Appalachians and hunt bear over hounds with those guys

1375
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: Western equine based do it yourself. A rifle hunt bear

1376
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 1: is its own category. And so I've experienced a wide

1377
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,719
Speaker 1: swath of success and all these different types of hunting,

1378
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do it out west and and

1379
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: so it was a big deal and and it was

1380
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: a great experience and uh, and it was cool getting

1381
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: to do it with you. But being your first time

1382
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 1: out there, first time on mules and uh, I mean

1383
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: you you did incredible. I mean especially for having seven

1384
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: days to prepare. Guys prepare like six months for these

1385
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 1: kind of things. I tried to get tough quick. Yeah,

1386
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: and that's what I that's what I commend you for

1387
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: is mental toughness, like you never you know when you're

1388
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: you're choosing a hunting partner. Colby never complained, he never

1389
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: he never got a sour attitude. He never you know, yeah,

1390
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 1: we talked about being sore and being hard, I mean

1391
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: just but that never was. It was never like Colby

1392
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 1: wants to go home and and spoiler alert, if you

1393
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: ever hunt with me, the worst thing that you can

1394
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: do is give that vibe of you want to do

1395
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: something else. I mean just just sort it just spoils

1396
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: the whole thing for me. Then I've just learned I

1397
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: don't hunt with people like that. I mean my dad

1398
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: taught me that when I was a kid. I mean

1399
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: like in the sixth grade, if I was like, Dad,

1400
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: how long are we going to be here? I think

1401
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: he kind of pounded that out of me and I

1402
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: was like, I could have taken it negatively, but I

1403
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: took it as positively. I was like, okay, for us

1404
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: to be successful, I cannot let him know that I'm

1405
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 1: not having a good time. Yeah, and and again I

1406
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 1: think that could have warped somebody, or not warped, but

1407
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: could have made it a negative experience, like as soon

1408
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: as I get out of here, I ain't never come back.

1409
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: But for me, it gave me insight into how that

1410
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: you manage type two difficulty, you know. I mean, yeah,

1411
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: it's hard, like, yeah, I don't ride in eighteen miles

1412
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: and missing a bear and the stress of not knowing

1413
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 1: if we're gonna sleep on the mountain with no provisions.

1414
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: I mean, like that's not giggly fun, you know. I

1415
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,759
Speaker 1: mean that that was stressful to me. But it wasn't

1416
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: like I was going Colby, We're gonna come off this

1417
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 1: mountain and we're going home. I mean was there times

1418
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: I thought that, Yeah, like lots of times in six

1419
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: days of honey, and I'm like, dang, why do we

1420
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: even do this? But you just can't say that. I mean,

1421
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a leadership principle, it really is. Is that

1422
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 1: not that you hide your emotions or high difficulty, But

1423
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: it's like we're on a mission. We're gonna complete this mission,

1424
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:40,560
Speaker 1: and I'm not because emotions, emotions, attitudes are absolutely contagious,

1425
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: you know. And that's really truly what I appreciated about

1426
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: you as you never got discouraged. You're always ready to go.

1427
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you never were wanting to take shortcuts.

1428
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: That's the other thing inside of hunting partnerships is sometimes

1429
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: you have somebody that wants to take shortcuts. It's like,

1430
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 1: you really to do this, right, we need to do

1431
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: this this way. We need to go up the mountain

1432
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: this way. We need to get there, we need to

1433
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 1: camp there, we need to do this, and it's harder.

1434
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: And then it's like, well, why don't we just do

1435
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: it that way? Well, we don't do it that way

1436
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: because we want to win. We don't want to lose.

1437
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 1: We will lose if we do it that way. Well

1438
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: that's easier. Well, you know, you get what I'm saying. Yeah,

1439
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: I definitely modified some downhills though I'm I'm a mountain slider. Yes, yes,

1440
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:27,719
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you that I was surprised I didn't

1441
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: have holes in the bottom of all my first light,

1442
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: my first life, because I mean, that was the way

1443
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 1: to keep up. Yeah, you were sliding. Yep, you were

1444
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: sliding on your ear end most of the time on

1445
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: those downtairs. But it worked. It was steep enough for that. Yeah,

1446
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: yeah where it was. Well, it was an incredible trip.

1447
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: Uh we've been Uh. We just wanted to bring to

1448
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: you the totality of this adventure in one podcast. And

1449
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:56,759
Speaker 1: you know, I would just say I would encourage people

1450
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: go out and spring bear hunt out west and don't

1451
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: spect to have just immediate success. I kind of did.

1452
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like the first trip out there,

1453
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: we'd be bringing home a bear. Then there's lots of

1454
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 1: people that do. I mean, it's really just a game

1455
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 1: of of of chance and finding that moment of good fortune,

1456
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: like of just when you when you connect on a barrier.

1457
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: And I mean maybe that happens on the third day

1458
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: of your first time out west. Maybe it does, but

1459
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't. And I and I don't think I

1460
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: was prepared for that, uh, because the second time I

1461
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: went and made the twenty four hour drive home by

1462
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 1: myself in a vehicle without a bear, I was just like, dang,

1463
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 1: I want to do this again. And that's kind of

1464
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 1: what you think. Um, and I actually took a year

1465
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: off and then came back and uh and and we're successful.

1466
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 1: And now I'm starting to build this build this database

1467
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 1: of ways that I feel like it takes to be

1468
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: successful out west. I think you've gotta be mobile. You

1469
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: gotta be willing to get into back country and stay

1470
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: there if they're bears, but if they're not bears, you've

1471
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: gotta be able to get out of there. Um. You

1472
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 1: gotta be willing to sitting glass. Um. Those are the

1473
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: keys for me being mobile. But the main key was

1474
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: we didn't over commit. Like when we would go in,

1475
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Speaker 1: we would just take the provisions that we needed to

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01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 1: just stay like one or two days. If if if

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Speaker 1: it had been much more of a production than that,

1478
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 1: I think it would have slowed us down too much.

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01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 1: But we're pretty mobile. Who made it work? And it

1480
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 1: was early season hunt. I believe I killed the bear.

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01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:42,680
Speaker 1: I made the fifth it was whatever that Sunday was, Yeah,

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01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 1: or made the fifth or sixth? Um, I think it

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01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 1: was the fifth. Oh yeah, I told you that you

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01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: never look at Sinko to Mayo the same weekend. Yes,

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01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. Yeah, Well, what you're closing thoughts

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01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: on the hunt? Kolbe Oh, it was definitely hard. Uh

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01:22:58,439 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: it was fun though. It's one of those hunts such

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01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: you know that it's just so hard you're going to

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Speaker 1: appreciate it afterwards, you know, the one one that you're

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01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: gonna look back on finally. Um, definitely learned a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean this was my first like back country hunting

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01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 1: that way. Like I've been, you know, kind of on

1493
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: a back country hunt, but it was like truck hunt,

1494
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean camping, yeah, Walton, driving the roads, glassing here

1495
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,520
Speaker 1: and there, and it was just a totally different experience.

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Speaker 1: And I mean it was it was really it was

1497
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 1: really good and um, you know, I think it definitely

1498
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: is going to to help with my ability to navigate

1499
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: those things in the future, like looking at switch but

1500
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: those switch backs a different way learning where like you

1501
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: can uh go from one road to the other to

1502
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: cut out a a half mile or whatever. Uh. I

1503
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: mean the mules was a big thing. I mean even

1504
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: like like the first day we sidehilled a lot and

1505
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 1: that It's like that was a weird feeling, you know.

1506
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: I was like, man, the saddle's not gonna slip off

1507
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: or something. And uh, I was definitely impress us with

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01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: everything that the mules could do. Um And I think

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01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 1: like after that first day, whenever we uh learned how

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01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,759
Speaker 1: to manage the relationship between the two mules were Smokey

1511
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: just wanted to be on our heels. It helped a lot,

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01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: at least for for me. Uh. But I think like

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01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: just being able to push through those things that just

1514
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: like builds character like inside of you to just you know,

1515
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: whenever you come up against something. I think the biggest

1516
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: thing about these back country hunts is you come to

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01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: a point of like flexibility to where it's like, well

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01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: that didn't work. What now, you know, Like how do

1519
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,600
Speaker 1: we adjust and how do we engage this particular scenario

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01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: to where we can come to a point of success,

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01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, or whatever success is inside of our minds. Um.

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01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,759
Speaker 1: But I think just the ability to be flexible and fluid,

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01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, like if your tree stand hunting, you're just

1524
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: gonna go and you're gonna sit in that stand for

1525
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 1: the most part. You might hunt to and from it,

1526
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: but for the most part, you're committed to that thing.

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01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 1: And I think that being mobile and and moving back

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01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: and forth and just you know, just being you being

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01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 1: fluid with what your plans are and not holding onto

1530
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 1: them too tight. I think that was a big thing

1531
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 1: because I mean, you wouldn't have had a shot at

1532
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: that blonde bearry even if we had sat there in

1533
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: the bear with adopts. It way like just being willing

1534
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: not to hold onto anything too tightly. I think it

1535
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: was was an important key. Uh you know, even being

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01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: willing to shoot that other bear. You know, well what

1537
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: happens to the other one, Well, this bears right here,

1538
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 1: you know it's right yep. So well, incredible experience and

1539
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: this is we're gonna have multi more, multiple more podcast

1540
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: from the Montana tour. Like we said, we we interviewed

1541
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: Joe Condela's interviewed Brian Strickler, an interview Barren Snyder all

1542
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: on this trip. They weren't necessarily about this trip, but

1543
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: we referenced this trip on this podcast. Hey, thanks for

1544
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 1: joining us, and uh, keep the wild places wild because

1545
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 1: that's where the bears live. Peo