1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and to day on the show, we're 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: standing on the shoulders of giants Giant extinct animals. That is, 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: some of today's most fascinating animals have surprising ancestors, from 6 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: giant sloths to wooly rhinos, too enormous turtle rabbits. Discover 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: this more as we answer the asual question which animals 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: best at being a sphere? Joining me today is host 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: of the awesome podcast Secretly Incredibly Fascinating. Friend of the show, 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: Friend of All Animals, Alex Schmidt. Hey, it's adder to 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: be here every time. Thank you for letting me like 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: book on my holidays with humongous mammals. It's a real joy. 13 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: I made the bison emoji. If people don't know, eight 14 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: very nicely helped out with with a podcast about it, 15 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: and and I can just something about humongous mammals is 16 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: relatable to me. I don't know if everything is a 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: mammal this week, but I just really like a big animal. 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 1: Everything mammal. You get a mammal, you get a mammal. 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: Everybody gets a mammal. Yeah, no, it's all mammals, all 20 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: of its mammals. They're all big mammals. Um. Yeah, Alex 21 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: likes to look under your chairs. It's like a megatherium verthing. 22 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: It's definitely been there the whole time. Yeah, yeah, just 23 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: you hadn't noticed yet. Um yeah. No, it's these are 24 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: modern day mammals that have ancestors who are either really 25 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: big or really surprising. And yeah, I figured we could 26 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: start our new year with looking back at the past, 27 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: I mean the very distant past sort of a you know, 28 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: didn't like yeah, yeah, like the eighties and saber tooth 29 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: tigers round Los Angeles. Yeah, Reagan, am I right? What 30 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: a dinosaur? Yeah no, absolutely, although we are more so 31 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: talking about tens of thousands of years ago, more like 32 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: so tens of thousands okay, yeah, so pretty recent, you know, 33 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: just just like twelve thousand years ago, you know, not 34 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: that not that uh this skip pop and jumped back 35 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: into yesteryear. In fact, we uh humans overlapped with these 36 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: extinct mammals, which, when you think about it, as we 37 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: go over these ridiculous animals, it's going to be surprising 38 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: to think about early humans just being next door neighbors 39 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, especially I feel like with dinosaur stuff, 40 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: like there's a point where you're a kid where you're 41 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: initially like, great, I'll bet people road t rexes, and 42 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: then somebody tells you, no, humans didn't overlap with dinosaurs. 43 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: Get it out of your head. Get it totally out 44 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: of your head that humans can ever overlap with these 45 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: huge animals. So it's it's almost like a mental flip 46 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: back to start seeing some of this ancient stuff as 47 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: stuff we were at the same time as really cool. Yeah, 48 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: and I mean like humans could have written these animals, 49 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: except probably they would have been shortly thereafter demolished, but 50 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: technically possible. So first, let's look at some modern day 51 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: animals that I'm sure you're all familiar with. The Slavs. 52 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: So modern Slavs are an adorable group of arboreal mammals, 53 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: typically not much bigger than a medium sized dog. They 54 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: are own in Central and South America, and they come 55 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: in two flavors, the two toed genus and the three 56 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: toed genus. So the most famous species of the three 57 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: toad sloths is the brown throated sloth. So that is 58 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: the sloth from Zutopia and most popular culture sort of 59 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: conception of a sloth with that little bandit mask, very slow, 60 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: very cute. Uh, hangs and trees all the time. You know, 61 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: your prototypical sloth. Yeah, you said, you set the picture. 62 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at it having a good time. So 63 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: there are three other species of three toad sloth in 64 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: order of increasing rarity. There's the pale throated sloth, the 65 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: main three toad sloth, and the pigmy three toad sloth, 66 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: which looks like an adorable, tiny Chihuahua sized version of 67 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: the brown throated sloth and is critically endangered. Uh. They 68 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: are actually found only on an island in the Caribbean 69 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: called Vera Guras, found only in the red mangroves over 70 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: an area of under two square miles or four point 71 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: three square kilometers. There are only about eighty pygmy sloths 72 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: left and they are primarily threatened by loss of habitats. 73 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: So super adorable, very rare little dudes. Yeah, I hope, 74 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: I hope conservation efforts you're happening. I know I would 75 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: give a kidney for one of these slavs. Just I mean, 76 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: come on, just a little it's a little it's such 77 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: a little biscuit. Look at this thing. It's just a 78 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: little ball of fluff, of lazy fluff, and all they 79 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: want to do is hang around. So yeah, this one 80 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: picture you sent, a sloth is sticking a little bit 81 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: of its tongue out like that one cat on the 82 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: internet that I forget the name of. Yeah, that's yeah, 83 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: like it's doing pure golden joy face. Okay, yea. So 84 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: the two toad sloths, while looking very similar to the 85 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: three toad sloths and similar behavior and often living in 86 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: the same forests, evolved from a common ground sloth ancestor 87 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: independently to adapt to the arboreal lifestyles. So they independently 88 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: evolved from terrestrial versions both into the trees, but two 89 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: branches of parallel evolution. They are in general slightly larger 90 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: than three toad slavs, and they include two species. There 91 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: is Linnaeus's two toad sloth and Hoffman's two toad slav u. 92 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: And I guess Linnaeus and Hoffman own all the slav 93 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get it, Like who died and 94 00:06:53,920 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: made them ceo of Slavs? Right? It's all it's like 95 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: we always say we need more than two sloth parties. Right, 96 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: how do we have a system where there's only two 97 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: slot parties and only two choices. You're barely even voting 98 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: at that point, Right, we need a sloth parliament. Yes. 99 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: So the two toad sloths typically have more of a 100 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: solid brown coat or reddish brown coat and light faces, 101 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: but they don't have those little bandit masks. Hoffman's two 102 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: toad sloths often drools and spits with its mouth open, 103 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: which reportedly looks very silly. Scientifically speaking, it's called looking 104 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: very doofy. They're nocturnal, which is actually in response to 105 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: competition with the three toad brown throated sloths, so they're 106 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: both trying to kind of like they have the same 107 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: ecological niche. They're both these tree dwelling, leaf eating animals, 108 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: and so by switching to being nocturnal, they don't have 109 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: to compete as much with the three toad sloths. But 110 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: in areas where actually there aren't as many three toad sloths, 111 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: they can have different schedules, so they can be diurnal 112 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: or crepuscular, so it's definitely seems to be in response 113 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: to competition. They also have cute pink noses. That's very important. 114 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: But despite having evolved separately, three toad and two toad 115 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: sloth species have some common characteristics. So they're both very 116 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: slow moving. Both eat leaves and digest have to digest 117 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: them very slowly. They live in trees. They have special 118 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: long claws that can grip onto tree branches, and they 119 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: actually their muscles have adapted so they automatically at rest 120 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: are gripping onto the tree. In fact, if they are asleep, 121 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: they can keep gripping. They can even be dead and 122 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: still be hanging in the tree, which is equal parts 123 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: funny and sort of coub so um. Yeah. They also 124 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: only poop every week or so and descend from the 125 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: tree to do it in a great uh migration down 126 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: to the ground to do a poop once every five 127 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: to eight days or so. Wow, So they there must 128 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: be some reason they've decided to not just drop it, 129 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: and I hope it's nice manners. I'm sure there's some 130 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: survival reason, but I hope it's just like they come on, 131 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: we're put together. I mean the way that they sort 132 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: of first of all, the way that their muscles work. 133 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: They don't they're like hanging upside down so I think 134 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: if they just like pooped, be much more likely to 135 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: get stuck to their for um. And you know, it's 136 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: also apparently there's some benefit to them going down and 137 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: pooping in the dirt, because it's in addition to being 138 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: more hygienic. I think they actually will collect some like 139 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: microscopic organisms that go onto their coat and are involved 140 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: in sort of a symbiotic relationship. So yeah, it's actually 141 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: really interesting. That's amazing. Yeah, because with animals pooping that 142 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: are also animals that spend time high up. You know, 143 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: you always think of birds just letting it go, like 144 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: there's man I always think about the fire side. I 145 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: think of animals, there's that far side where it's a 146 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: bird's view of the world and it's just target signs 147 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: on everybody's heads and on the back of a dog 148 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: and stuff. But slaws very different approach. I love it. 149 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: They're like, we're going to migrate down, We'll drop it off, 150 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: you know, we we don't. We aren't like them pointing 151 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: at a bird. We aren't like them. We're better. Yeah. Actually, 152 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: what's really interesting is pooping on the ground, uh feeds 153 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: into this whole symbiotic relationship that they have with these 154 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: moths that actually, uh will use the slots and moths 155 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: dynamic duo and yeah, so like it'll be an area 156 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,119 Speaker 1: where the moths can lay their larvae who are nourished 157 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: by the poop, and then they hatch into moths and 158 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: then they live in the sloths fur and then they 159 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: the moths in turn nourish algae that grows in the 160 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: slaws fur that the slaws will lick off and provides 161 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: important vitamins to them. So there is a Yeah, this 162 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: whole by pooping in the ground, they're basically creating this 163 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: whole amazing symbiotic life cycle of moths, algae and sloths. 164 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: I've never heard of that before and I love it. 165 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: That's so cool. Yeah, just very excited. Wow, I guess 166 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: there because I've I think I I never assumed their 167 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: fur looked like clean, but it also didn't look like 168 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: it had stuff in it. But it's full of algae 169 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: and moths. Algae and moths. It's a whole forest on 170 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: their backs and you can actually see sort of a 171 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: green tinge to their for sometimes. Wow. Yeah, it's incredible. 172 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: They're like those mythical turtles that have worlds on their back. Yeah, exactly. Actually, 173 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: some turtle species river turtles do grow algae on their 174 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: backs and it can look very mystical. Oh that's awesome. 175 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: But their ancestors were very different from these adorable little, 176 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: slow moving living ecosystems who poop on the ground once 177 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: a week. Their ancestors were the giant ground sloths, who 178 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: not only pooped on the ground, but did everything else 179 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: on the ground too, So they were found in South 180 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: and North America. Many species of ground sloths existed and evolved. 181 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: Some were closely related, some were very similar anatomy, but 182 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: due to parallel evolution, they caused them to actually repeatedly 183 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: evolve these similar characteristics despite not being like super closely related, 184 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: similar to the two toad sloth and three toad slavs. 185 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: They're not unrelated, but they're not as closely related as 186 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: you would think because they both evolved from a common 187 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: ancestor who is a ground dwelling and they both independently 188 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: evolved to be tree dwelling and evolved these very similar characteristics. 189 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: And this is actually called homoplasy when you have these 190 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: very similar characteristics being evolved due to very similar evolutionary 191 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: pressures in a population that is related, but maybe aren't 192 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: following the exact same evolutionary path so uh. In fact, 193 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: the two toad sloths, so the little brown the ones 194 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: that are sort of more of a solid brown, they 195 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: do not have that bandit masks. Uh. They are most 196 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: more closely related to their ex inked giant ground sloth relative, 197 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: the polar bear sized sloth M. Jefferson I of the 198 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: Megalonis genus, than they are to their three toad sloth cousins, 199 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: which is amazing. Meanwhile, the three toad sloths belonged to 200 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: an evolutionary lineage that includes the genus Megatherium, whose most 201 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: famous species is the giant ground sloth, which is the 202 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: size of an elephant. So the giant crown sloth. Yeah, 203 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: Alex getting excited. I can see it, I think because 204 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to step by it. But I think 205 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: I mentioned the megatheris. Did I think it's because it's 206 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: I think it's because one of the natural history museums 207 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: we used to go to a lot had a skeleton 208 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: that might be an invented memory, but I remember just 209 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: the humongous nous of the skeleton being yeah, yeah, it's big. 210 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: So the Megatherium, Uh, It was one of the largest 211 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: terrestrial mammals that ever existed. It weighed around four tons 212 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: and grew over six meters or twenty ft long. It 213 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: was thought to walk on all fours, but it was 214 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: able to stand up on its hind legs to eat 215 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: leaves or survey its surroundings, and was even capable of 216 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: walking short distances on its hind legs, which is cute 217 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: and scary, right, Like, so could Godzilla? Woa, Yeah, it's 218 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: like a fluffy Godzilla. Basically, it had these massive curved 219 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: claws that let it pull down leaves like a tree trimmer. 220 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: But if you think about it, a sloth has these 221 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: big claws and they're not scary to us because we 222 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: know they just use them as these hooks to hook 223 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: onto trees. But imagine those except proportionately just as large, 224 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: but on an animal the size of an elephant that 225 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: they used to like just as scythes to cut down 226 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: the tops of trees. It's incredible and scary. Yeah right 227 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: if if none of this like just gently reaching for 228 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: branches like get down here, Yeah, it's mortal Kombat. Yeah, 229 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: exactly the same way. Like I love it, great man, 230 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: that that m night Chamalian movie with the with the plants, 231 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: the evil plants, the happening, all the happening. Yeah, all 232 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: you need is some giant ground sloths and that's it. 233 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: The evil trees are going to go running. Just Mark 234 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: Bahlberg talking about megatheriums, yeah, way into it. Yeah, it's 235 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: a freaking megathereum, megathereum. Oh my god. I would love 236 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: to see Mark Wahlberg being like confused about megatheriums and 237 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: then just get his face dumped in by a megatherium. Yea, 238 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: and then basically every performer acting very flatly because it's 239 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: a Shamalan movie too, So just look the megatherium. It's coming. 240 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: But it just really weak, decapitated Mark Wahlberg, I mean 241 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: whatever his character's name is, right, So, because of these 242 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: massive claws, it actually had to walk on the sides 243 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: of its feet, similar to how modern day aunt eaters walked. 244 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: And I think the last time you were on the show, 245 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: we actually talked about another animal that was more phologically 246 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: kind of similar to a giant sloth, the Anisodon grande. Yeah, 247 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: the gorilla bear deer I think, yeah, the men here 248 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, which also had big claws and had to 249 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: walk on the sides of its feet kind of awkwardly. Yeah. 250 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: That this is a popular shape back back in the day. Yeah, 251 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: it's what scientists like to describe as a big lug. 252 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: These guys were big lugs folks, indeed, sort of Peluccas 253 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: of the animal world, the big galoots. Yes, it may 254 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: have also been nude. Some studies suggest a hairless giant 255 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: ground sloth similar to the elephant, rather than a furry one. 256 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: And I can't decide which reality I want to be 257 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: true more, the big furry ground sloths or a big 258 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: nude ground sloth. It's tough. It's close, too close to call. 259 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: This is so I love that whole thing with restory 260 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: ancient species where we are somewhat guessing at the general 261 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: look of it. And yeah, and of course it could 262 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: look like an elephant. Sure now, now I'm imagining a 263 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: very Chihuahua looking Megathereum sure, great, just ready for Olympic swimming, 264 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, just saggy and baggy in all 265 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: the right places. Um. So. The giant ground sloth and 266 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: other species of ground slovs likely when extinct around ten 267 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: thousand years ago, probably due to habitat loss due to 268 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: the changing climate of the time. It's not we're not 269 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: really sure whether human hunting really contributed to their extinction 270 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: or not. But humans did exist at the same time, 271 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: and they probably did try hunting them as we We 272 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: basically tried to hunt anything, any even things that could 273 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: definitely kill us. So I wouldn't be surprised if you know, 274 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: humans hunt to these. I think there's some evidence that 275 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: maybe they were hunted by humans, but um, you know, 276 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: it's what's not clear is whether we actually drove them 277 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: to extinction or not. We may have we tend to 278 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: do that, but it could have also been climate change 279 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: in habitat loss. But they're also and there are these 280 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: giant burrows that you can find in areas where giant 281 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: ground Slaws lived. And while I'm not sure whether it's 282 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: known whether they were made by giant ground slaws, they're 283 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: definitely a candidate for these big I think they're called 284 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: paleo burrows or these huge tunnels. Yeah, and they have 285 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: these huge claw marks on them, uh, indicating they were 286 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: dug out by some animal. And so it's it's like, man, 287 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: this could have I'm not sure what where the evidence 288 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: is pointing to, but It's like there could have been 289 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: these giant burrows that these giant sloths lived in, and 290 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: just imagine sort of wandering down into and then you 291 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,239 Speaker 1: know the hulking figure of this giant sloth rearing up 292 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: at you, chewing on leaves. I feel like the club 293 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:15,239 Speaker 1: marks either indicate any megatherium or one human prankster, one 294 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: little scamp right trying to fool everybody. One one little 295 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: cave boy with the brake. So, Alex, you're probably familiar 296 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: with rhinos, right, familiar with them? I am? Yeah. We 297 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: went to We went to the Brock Zoo at around 298 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and they have a super prominent rhino exhibit. It 299 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: was one of I think the first big animals they had. 300 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: It's very nice to see them, some rhinoceros. I like 301 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: a rhino. I've been to the San Diego Zoom many 302 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: a time. I love the rhinos. You are separated from 303 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: them by a nice sturdy fencing while thing, But I 304 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: feel like they're pretty curious, Like they often approach visitors 305 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: and they kind of look at you and they get 306 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: close enough that you feel like if you wanted to 307 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: risk getting your hand sort of impaled on their horn, 308 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: you could like reach out and touch them. Of course 309 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: you don't because you're not rude, but they are. They're beauty. 310 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: There there's something I think surprisingly gentle about them. They're 311 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: often seen as being these big, aggressive animals, and it's 312 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: true they can be aggressive you don't want to play 313 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: around with, like getting in the path of a rhino, 314 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: but when they're relaxed, they're pretty chill. And of course yeah, 315 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: and of course they're these big, horned, leathery skinned mammals, 316 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: most famously from Africa, but also from India and Asia. 317 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: And let's just do a quicker view about rhinos. So 318 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: there are five species of rhino currently living. There is 319 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: the white rhinoceros that you just mentioned, Alex, and there's 320 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: the critically endangered black rhinos. Both of these rhinos are 321 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: from Africa. Despite their names, they're actually both a grayish color. 322 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: The main difference is actually the lip shape. So the 323 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: black rhino has a point to your beak like upper 324 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: lip and the white rhino has a more square, rounded lip. 325 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: So it's likely that the misnomer is a bad interpretation 326 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: of the Afrikaans word wide or wide, which I mean, 327 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: it's just they're basically just called wide rhinos like wide 328 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: lipped rhinos, but I guess it was misinterpreted as white rhinos. 329 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Yeah, yeah. And there is also the Sumatra 330 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: in rhino that is the smallest rhino in the world, 331 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: roughly half the size of a white rhino, maybe a 332 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: little less. Uh. It's reddish brown and in rainforests and 333 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: cloud forests of Asia. It's critically endangered as well, and 334 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: there are only a round and estimated thirty individuals left 335 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: in the world, so they're in a little bit of 336 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: trouble there. Yeah, yeah, it is sad. There's also the 337 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: Indian rhino with much more clearly segmented armor plating and 338 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: this bumpier wardy hide which distinguishes them from the white 339 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: rhino and black rhinos. And then there's the Java and rhino, 340 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: which is another critically endangered species and is found only 341 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: in Ujun Coulon National Fart. It's not a national fart, 342 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: it's a national park usion Coulon National Park on the 343 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: Java Island of Indonesia. So woh I did another outside 344 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: of Africa too, that's amazing. Maybe that's well known. I 345 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: had no idea. I don't know that it's well known. 346 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: And that's why I'm bringing it because I think, like 347 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: we think about the white rhinos and the black rhinos, 348 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: but you know, there are other species of rhinos in 349 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: the world, and so there is still a little bit 350 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: of diversity among rhino species. They are all sort of precarious, 351 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: I would say, like a lot of them are critically endangered, 352 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: some of them are vulnerable or near threatened. So it's 353 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's it is like something to 354 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: appreciate these species before they potentially disappear or hopefully we 355 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: can reverse the disappearing, because we do not want our 356 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: current rhinos to go the way of the wooly rhino, 357 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: because the wooly rhino is this incredible extinct rhinoceros that 358 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: once roamed uh all around the world, are once roamed 359 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: all around Europe and Eurasia. So actually, this Tyson nicely 360 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: with a listener question I got recently, and here is 361 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: the question. There have been mammoths found preserved in the 362 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: Siberian ice fields. Have there been any other prehistoric animals 363 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: found frozen there as well? How about an Antarctica keep 364 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: featuring creatures from Michael D of Texas. Thanks for your question. 365 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: Michael D. Indeed, there are other animals that have been 366 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: found preserved in ice fields, especially the Siberian ice fields, 367 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: lots of animals they're including wooly rhinos. So last year 368 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: in eastern Siberia, the body of a young wooly rhino 369 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: was found frozen with skin and internal organs intact, which is, yeah, 370 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: like that, it's an amazing find. Uh. There's so much 371 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: you can learn about an animal once you start to 372 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: get soft tissues, including internal organs, that you cannot learned 373 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: from fossils. Yeah, I mean we're gonna clone it, right, 374 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: let's do it. I mean machine, I think, if I'm 375 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: remembering correctly, there is a de extinction project where it's 376 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: sort of the speculative thing of like once we get 377 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: to the point where maybe we could clone species, and 378 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: I think wooly rhino is one of the ones that 379 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: they are interested in. I'm not sure how feasible that is. 380 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: It's a similar problem of cloning the wooly mammoth, which 381 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: is like, okay, say you can clone it or replicate 382 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: it genetically, then where does it go? Where do you 383 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: put it? Because it's a environment no longer exists, not 384 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: my house, nimby, not back. Uh back era, nimbe it's 385 00:27:54,200 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: fridge yet so oh no, no, no, like chumping up 386 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: a data that stere rhinos. So yeah, this young wooly 387 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: rhino is one of the best preserved frozen animals ever found. 388 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: It also came with a small horn that they found 389 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: also in the ice that was just a few feet 390 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: away from its body. So what what is this wooly 391 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: rhino all about? What's the situation with with this fun 392 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: and fuzzy friend. So, like the name suggests, it was 393 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: a rhino with long, thick fur to survive the cold 394 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: of ice age Europe and Asia. They were pretty darn big. 395 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: They were over twelve ft almost four meters long from 396 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: tail to head, and possibly up to six thousand pounds 397 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: or two thousand seven ms. They were as tall as 398 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: a human six point five feet or two meters tall 399 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: at the shoulders. Uh. This is actually around the same 400 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: size of a white rhino except oi flaw fear with 401 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: a much bigger horn. So they had two horns, similar 402 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: to a lot of species of current rhinos, but their 403 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: front horn was much more massive than modern rhino horns. Yeah, 404 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: this artist's depiction you send, it's it's like it's just huge. 405 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: That's what I have to say about it. But I 406 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: feel like when you see modern rhinos, and I've only 407 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: seen the white kind of the black kind of thing, 408 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: but when you see those, it's like almost surprising how 409 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: much we focus on the horns because they're just not 410 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: that big. It's a prominent horn, but it's nothing like this. 411 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: It's it's pretty judgment to me, humongous, like simbatar. Yeah. 412 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: Also I I I have like Simon Cowell's style opinions 413 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: about rhinos, like not good enough. Next that was I 414 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: didn't load up a British accent time, but you know 415 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: what I mean, Yeah, it's a it's I feel like 416 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: he who has the biggest horn should cast the first horn. 417 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: Is that I don't know? But look, yeah, when you 418 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: compare the wooly rhinos horn to modern day rhinos, you're like, oh, 419 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like modern day rhinos have like kind of elegant, 420 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: slender horns, like like a unicorn or something. But these 421 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: wooly rhinos just had like big old honkers. I mean horns, 422 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: big old horns, not honkers, but you know, horn, big 423 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: old horn. So these horns were so impressive. Early people 424 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: who recovered the fossilized horns, thought they were the claws 425 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: of giant birds or griffins. I like somebody saying, like, 426 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: it's either a bird or a griffin. Like, it's either 427 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: this real kind of animal. Maybe it's a giant bird 428 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: or some kind of lying lion bird. The same monk 429 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: who brought you the drawing of what they thought a 430 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: lion looked like, which was just like an angrier, spikier dog. 431 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: Is the griffin some kind of bird with maybe cat 432 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: feet or something. Right, Yeah, Like these remains are either 433 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: a dog or a tonton from Star Wars. It's one 434 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: of those two. I'm equally confident, folks, And we have 435 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: a terrible memory as a species because we actually did 436 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: live with the wooly rhino as contemporaries, So early humans 437 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: were around at this time, and they're actually cave paintings 438 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: depicting them. Some of the paintings seemed to indicate that 439 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: wooly rhinos used their large horns to fight off other animals, 440 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: so early artists drew these like battle sea between a 441 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: wooly rhino warding off other animals with their big old horn. 442 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: That's so cool. Yeah, and I've looked at some of 443 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: these cave paintings, and I think they're actually pretty good. 444 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: Like when I think about cave paintings sometimes it's like, oh, 445 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, early artists, we hadn't learned perspective yet. The 446 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: paintings can't be that good. And I'm looking at this 447 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: and like, hey, it might be marginally better than what 448 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: I could do. And then meanwhile, I'm Simon Cowell, old 449 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: school enough terrible. There we go, there's your perfect accent, 450 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: perfect accown. But that is that's that's really cool that 451 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: they did such evocative art of this thing that, yeah, 452 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: I have to assume happens. It really looks like a 453 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: weapon horn. It looks like a big saber or something. Well, 454 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: if they used them like anything, that anything, like how 455 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: modern day rhinos use them. They do use them as 456 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: defensive weapons as well as tools to like dig up 457 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: grasses and stuff or to like help guide their calves gently. 458 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: So use gently. They can be sort of a communication tool, 459 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: but used less gently, they can definitely be a defensive weapon. 460 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: And so I would not be shocked if these were 461 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: used as defensive weapons. They may also have had something 462 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: to do with like sexual signaling, like hey, look, at 463 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: look at my horn. Wink wink, nudge nudge. Yeah, I 464 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: mean really interesting. They also had a large hump near 465 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: its shoulders, both to help support the huge horn and 466 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: where it stored fat reserves to help sustain it during 467 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: the winter. So like your favorite kind of like a bison, Yeah, yeah, 468 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: bison stuff. Yeah, if people don't know, a bunch of 469 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: an American bison's weight as its head and so they 470 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: have a huge hump to just hold it up exactly, 471 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: not fall forward all the time. And due to preserved 472 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: specimens that we've found, we know something about its diet. 473 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: It ate grass, flowers, moss, and even branches, so you 474 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:13,399 Speaker 1: know herbivores with a giant uh just skull penetrating horn. Yeah, 475 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm amazed. I feel like wooly mammoth's get so much ink, 476 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: They get so much press up so much. And then 477 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: and I think it's partly because we love elephants, but 478 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: then this other packeter and we love the rhino, has 479 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: a wooly version that I'm learning about right now for 480 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: the first time. I think it's it's unfair that the 481 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: media has been so much time on elephants. Mammoth Oh 482 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: my god, But yeah, you got you got wooly rhinos, 483 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: which I think are you know, they're basically like a 484 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: big bison unicorn lovely creatures. Wouldn't want to get chased 485 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: by one, but I do love them, so you know, 486 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,959 Speaker 1: time to shine a light, you know. And what's what's 487 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: the Washington Post thing like sh finding a light on 488 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: wooly rhino's at last or something. You know that their 489 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: journalism tagline for God's tagline is mammoths are the only 490 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: wooly animal. Typical mainstream media, typical armadillos. You like Armadilla's, 491 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: I like Armadilla's. What about you? You like Armadilla's I'm 492 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: pro armadillo. Yeah, if they make me think of the Southwest. 493 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: We used to have a lamp from Target where the 494 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: whole base was on armadillo shape from Southwestern thing we got. 495 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't you know, grow up near him 496 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: or anything. But yeah, but I like an armadillo good stuff. Yeah, yeah, 497 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: there are some of the weirdest mammals in the world, though, 498 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: no doubt. Armadillo. The name comes from the diminutive of 499 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: the Spanish word armatto or armed man or armored man, 500 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: but the as text called the armadillo's turtle rabbits, which 501 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: is a wonderful name. A turtle rabbit. Yeah, that's just better. 502 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: It's so good. It's so good. It sounds like something 503 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: from Avatar The Last Airbender, the cartoon series they had 504 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: like turtle ducks and stuff, but like a turtle rabbit. 505 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: It's so good. I love it. It's perfect too, it's 506 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: the perfect description. So that show man armed man, armed 507 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: man is not the vibe you get from this, like 508 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: what like one ft long little guy. N I mean, 509 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: I think it's really like small armored man, like a 510 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: small armored man. But yeah, turtle rabbit better turtle rabbit 511 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: petition to change the name rabbit. Yeah. So they're found 512 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: in the same super order as slogs and ant eaters, 513 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: and uh, they are actually any species of armadilla. So 514 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: there are twenty one species of armadillo, all found in 515 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: the America's and they all share a similar trait amazing 516 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: plate armor made up of caratin that protects their bodies. 517 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: So some species can roll up into an impressively well 518 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: armored ball, whereas other species cannot roll into a ball. 519 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: So the ones that can roll into a ball are 520 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: able to tuck in their more vulnerable body parts into 521 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: a relatively impenetrable sphere. So perhaps the most impressive species 522 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: in terms of ball rolling ability is the Southern three 523 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: banded armadillo and Brazilian three banded armadillas. So they have 524 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: armored heads and tails and can in the blink of 525 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: an eye, jump and roll into a ball, tucking everything in. 526 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: They interlock their head and tail into place like a 527 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: ying yang, sealing them into the most perfect pennetrable armadilla ball. 528 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: They truly have achieved pure sphericality. I'm going to share 529 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: this gift with you. Amazing how easily they can snap 530 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: into a ball. And the claws of these three banded 531 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: armadilla are so long and sturdy they can walk on 532 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: the tips of them, almost like their hooves, And most 533 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: armadillas need really strong digging claws for digging up the 534 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: ants and termites. Katie, Katie, I'm I'm looking at this 535 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: chif of an armadilla becoming a ball, and if if 536 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: any listeners do not look up this chif, I will 537 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,240 Speaker 1: be very upset with them. The greatest thing I've ever seen. 538 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: There's no excuse, it's in the show notes. I'm confident 539 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: it's there. You need to go see this. It's like 540 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: it's like it's standing there and then it does a 541 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: little turn and then boopball mode just immediately like yeah, 542 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 1: ball of the guy who impressively pops out of folding 543 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: chair as he's walking so he can go see stuff. 544 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: It's that energy, like time for me to do this. 545 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: It's great. It just sees some business. It doesn't want 546 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't like going on. It's like nope, ball, I'm ball, 547 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: look at me ball now. So we've actually covered some 548 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: of the weirder armadillos on the show before, like the 549 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: pink fairy armadillo that kind of looks like a piece 550 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: of sushi, and the screaming hairy armadillo, which is harry 551 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: and it does scream. But let's look at the most 552 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 1: prototypical armadillo, the nine banded armadillo. These are gray armadillo's 553 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: found in north, South, and Central America. They're the most 554 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: widespread armadillo, so probably the most famous in North America. 555 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: They are found in southeastern United States and they can 556 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: grow to be about the size of a chihuahua. They 557 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 1: cannot roll into a ball like the three banded armadillos, 558 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: but they are still protected by that hard caratinous armor. 559 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: Because they can't roll into a ball, they rely on 560 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: burrows for further protection, so a predator trying to dig 561 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: them out of a burrow is just going to be 562 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: met with a hard armored uh top side of the armadillo, 563 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be very hard to get at them. 564 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 1: But the largest species, the largest living species of armadillo 565 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 1: is the giant armadillo of South America. They can grow 566 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: to weigh up to seventy pounds or thirty two and 567 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: a half kilograms, but captive set specimens can reach up 568 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: to a hundred and twenty pounds or fifty four ms 569 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: minus the tail. They grow a little over three ft long, 570 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: which is about a meter. So they're they're big. They're 571 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: they're big little dudes. They're they're hunky and chunky. But 572 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: this is actually nothing compared to the extinct genus of 573 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: close armadillo relatives, the glyptodons. They were bigger than a 574 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: Fiat about the size of a Volkswagen Beetle, and weighed 575 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: up to over one thousand, eight hundred pounds or eight 576 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: hundred forty ms. So imagine our armadillo, but the size 577 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: of a Volkswagen beetle. So I'm imagining that turned into 578 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: a bul jeft, but it just creates a crater and 579 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: like a building collapses behind it, you know, I mean, 580 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: probably could easily be used as a wrecking ball. Yes, yeah, wow, incredible. 581 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: So they um when extinct a few like around the 582 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: same time, I would say, as like the giant slaws 583 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: probably around ten thousand years ago. Unlike the more flexible 584 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: shells of current armadillos, they had a big turtle like 585 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: shell that provided their body with coverage and an armored tail. 586 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,919 Speaker 1: And while they couldn't withdraw their head into their shell 587 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: like a turtle, the top of their head had this 588 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: hard armor as well, and they had Speaking of their heads, 589 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: they were very thick jowled, with massive jawbones, which indicated 590 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: big old chewing muscles. Um. They also had these ridged 591 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: teeth that kind of looked like corrugated metal, and they 592 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: just used these as like grinding mills for hard plant matter. 593 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: Their tails were so hard and cratinus that they were 594 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: able to use them as weapons, and there have been 595 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: wounds found in some of the fossils of these glyptodons 596 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: that indicate they were used in battle within the species, 597 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: so between males, maybe fighting over territory or mates. So yeah, 598 00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:00,040 Speaker 1: just like big old armored tail fights m And the 599 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 1: cutest and most surprising thing about these is they had 600 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: nasal passage structures that seemed to indicate there were areas 601 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: for large muscle attachments, which may have indicated they actually 602 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 1: had a long snout, maybe even a proboscis or trunk 603 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: similar to a tape here, or even a small elephant 604 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: like trunk, uh, which I love so much, Just a 605 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: big old giant Harry mammalian turtle with maybe a little 606 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,919 Speaker 1: trunk on it. Uh. The shells were so big that 607 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,720 Speaker 1: humans actually may have used them as shelters from weather. 608 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: It just incredible. Wait what and where? I mean? It 609 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: is shaped almost exactly like an egglue or something. I 610 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: can see why, but I had never made that jump 611 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: that humans would just be like perfect a house here. Yeah, 612 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: I mean probably more like a tent, because I don't 613 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: think it would fit more than maybe a couple of 614 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: people in it. I mean, you know, it's like a 615 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: Volkswagen Beetle. You can't you can't fit too many people 616 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:16,720 Speaker 1: outside of it, right, only a couple of prehistoric humans 617 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,879 Speaker 1: or a hundred clowns. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's 618 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: all you can do. Well then, because also with the 619 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: Bronx Zoo visit, I'm fresh off of seeing tape beers 620 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: and they are really soft fellas, you know, they're really 621 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: they're really squishy, and so they're like a living snuffle 622 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: off against version. Yeah. But yeah, the the hard armored 623 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: it's just like like time to get serious. And then 624 00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: with this big doofy shell. Yeah, like it's a like 625 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: it's a soldier in a Red Wall book or something 626 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: instead of the little goofy goofs that I saw in 627 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: the zoo. Really fun. I think I keep up bringing 628 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: up the like seventies cartoon Herculoids, but this definitely looks 629 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: like one of the weird characters from Herculoids, which I mean, 630 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: I would say I'm dating myself, but I'm not even 631 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,400 Speaker 1: dating myself because it was way before my time and 632 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: for whatever reason I saw it on TV. Sometimes I 633 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: think they would do like Boomerang classic cartoons or something, 634 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: and I would that's fascinating. So anyways, maybe there's too 635 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,359 Speaker 1: much of a tangent, but that will be a thing. 636 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: Like I was in a meeting once where I brought 637 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 1: up Scooby Doo and apparently one of the other people 638 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: decided I'm really old. Yeah no, it just re aired. 639 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,359 Speaker 1: I'm not from one that was a show. No, I 640 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 1: wasn't alive when this first aired. I just somehow caught 641 00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: it on TV later on in the nineties. Yeah right, 642 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: things get rebroadcast, like you know what Scooby Doo is? 643 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 1: You must be like a hundred and ten. I didn't 644 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:24,359 Speaker 1: realize Civil War veterans were still alive. Yeah, yeah, I'm 645 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 1: the last widow from that war. Like that article. Yeah, well, 646 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: I think that just about does it for old, decrepit 647 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: things in this podcast. But before we go, I do 648 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,879 Speaker 1: want to answer the question that we proposed last week 649 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: of Guess Who's Squawking? Every week we play a Mr 650 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,800 Speaker 1: Animal sound and we ask you the listener who is talking. 651 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 1: So last week's hint was people will pay out the 652 00:46:53,880 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 1: nose for their poop. Who do you think is talking? 653 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: Alex mm hmm out the nose for their poop. This 654 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: is a two can thing. It was birdish to me. 655 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,919 Speaker 1: I don't really know that's a good guess because two 656 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 1: cans do use poop to seal up their nests that 657 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: they have in tree hollows, But no, this is actually 658 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: a palm civet. Congratulations to this week's winners who gets 659 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: the animal correctly Anti be Trish H. And Elizabeth P. Yeah. So, uh, 660 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,800 Speaker 1: this is an Asian palm civet. Uh. They are small 661 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: field forms found in South and Southeast Asia and forests, 662 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: and they eat a type of coffee bean fruit and 663 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,720 Speaker 1: poop out the bean which are harvested and made into 664 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: a very expensive and highly sought after coffee. I guess 665 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: due to the fermentation that happens in their gut, which 666 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: makes it good poop coffee, very fancy. Unfortunately, this has 667 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: led to civit farms that cage in force feed palm civets. 668 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: So personally I would avoid drinking the poop coffee for 669 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 1: ethical reasons, but also it's expensive poop coffee. Guys, what 670 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: are you doing? Yeah? Man, because I googled the picture 671 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 1: of this animal while you're talking about it. It's very cute, 672 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: and I immediately became concerned people were like doing something 673 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: shady to keep it and look at it all the time. No, 674 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,840 Speaker 1: it's extremely cute. It looks like a raccoon cat with 675 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,280 Speaker 1: a prehensile tail. It's adorable. Leave the poop alone, folks, 676 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,720 Speaker 1: Let him poop in peace. Yeah, you can get dunkin 677 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: Donuts coffee, and you can get a cat. If you 678 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,640 Speaker 1: want crappy coffee, you can go get dunk and Donuts coffee. 679 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Duncan is great. I don't know anything about coffee. 680 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,800 Speaker 1: It's probably good. I apologize everyone. If you like Duncan, 681 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,399 Speaker 1: if you run on Duncan, it's fine. I don't even 682 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: drink coffee, so what do I know? Please don't sue me. 683 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,799 Speaker 1: So onto, this was going to rise up there? That 684 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: back uh so onto. This week's mystery animal sound a hint. 685 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,960 Speaker 1: As adults, they look like a beautiful sunset, but as 686 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: babies they just don't want to be someone else's grub. Wow, 687 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: and he guesses, Alex, that's not two animals. That was. 688 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:42,680 Speaker 1: That was like the highest squeakiest noise event. Probably I'm 689 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: gonna give you this. The background noise probably some kind 690 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,279 Speaker 1: of owl. Um. That's not what we're focusing on. What 691 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:56,840 Speaker 1: we're focusing on is the little squeaky noises, the mystery squeaks. Yeah. Wow, 692 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 1: um let's see and I'm thinking of the hint. There 693 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 1: was something about grubs. There's something about being very colorful 694 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 1: like a sunset. Is this? Is this some sort of 695 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:16,399 Speaker 1: that also does Michael Winslow style sound effects? Maybe well? 696 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,680 Speaker 1: The answer will be revealed in next week's Creature Feature. 697 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me today, Alex. 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