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Speaker 1: It's interesting what an experiment like America will do to them. Right,

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Speaker 1: me personally, I think if there's a depth of black man,

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Speaker 1: lot of the households that I've seen growing up, besides

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Speaker 1: my own didn't have fathers that were right there every

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Speaker 1: single day I was in those households. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how it worked. All I know is that I knew

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys that didn't see their dads all

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Speaker 1: the time. Right, Yeah, and so you certainly can't come

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Speaker 1: back and this is just common sense, right. If you

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Speaker 1: see a lot of mothers doing all of this stuff

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Speaker 1: by themselves, right, you certainly can't come back and render

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Speaker 1: too much judgment on the way that they live their lives, right,

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Speaker 1: or some of the things that might be going on

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Speaker 1: with them, because you know, there's a there's an if

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Speaker 1: we're talking about community in the hole that we wanted

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Speaker 1: to be, there's a debt that would be paid, and

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Speaker 1: the debt that has to be out. Having said that,

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Speaker 1: all the social media stuff is changing our perceptions about

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Speaker 1: what's valuable, and everybody has to be responsible for what

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Speaker 1: it is that they think it is valuable. Right, Like

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Speaker 1: men have to be responsible for being able to go

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Speaker 1: out and procure the type of woman that they think

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Speaker 1: that they want, right, and women are the same, and

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Speaker 1: vice versa. But my point by saying all of this is,

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Speaker 1: do you love your sisters? Do you love your brothers?

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Speaker 1: If you have that, If you have If you want

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Speaker 1: to see black women protected, exalted, and valued, you'll find

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Speaker 1: a way. If you want to see black men protected

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Speaker 1: and valued, you'll find a way. And for my very

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Speaker 1: last interview that I will share with you to wrap

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Speaker 1: up season two, it is basketball legend Grant Hill. Grant Hill,

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Speaker 1: by all accounts, I knew him as I was coming

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Speaker 1: up in the game as as the guy that to

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Speaker 1: the Ivy League school, the black guy that went to

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Speaker 1: the Ivy League school, who had the good family, and

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Speaker 1: who was pretty much a role model on and off

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Speaker 1: the court. Today, I would believe people would say the same,

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Speaker 1: pretty stellar record, morally outstanding, good character, and he too

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Speaker 1: recently experienced a tough loss, much like I mentioned earlier

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Speaker 1: with Jalen Rose and losing his mother. Grant Hill, after

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Speaker 1: this podcast was recorded, lost his mother a short time after.

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Speaker 1: He talked about her briefly, and he arguably knew what

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Speaker 1: was the ultimate fate in terms of whether or not

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Speaker 1: she was going to be healthy enough to survive. But

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Speaker 1: I wanted to just take a moment to acknowledge his

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Speaker 1: candor and tell him that we are grateful that he

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Speaker 1: came on the show to honor his mother, and he

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Speaker 1: shared a really funny story as well about how his

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Speaker 1: parents at the time still didn't let him pay for anything.

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Speaker 1: That's just how he grew up. They were like, you

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Speaker 1: don't pay for anything, which I think is so funny

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Speaker 1: and it's interesting because it, to me, is a complete

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Speaker 1: opposite mentality of you know, athletes. I believe that, you know,

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Speaker 1: Whene's athletes make it as they should. They take care

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Speaker 1: of their family. And yes, he has done that. But

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Speaker 1: I have yet to hear the story of a mom saying, no,

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Speaker 1: don't give me no money. I give you money, my

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Speaker 1: own money I made. And I love that story about

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Speaker 1: Missus Hill. Sit back, relax and enjoy this story from

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Speaker 1: one Grant Hill. My parents, So they moved into this

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Speaker 1: house that you know when I was a senior in

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Speaker 1: high school and they've been in the house thirty plus years.

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Speaker 1: I did buy let me say, I bought my dad

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Speaker 1: a car for his Okay, I bought of Mercedes in

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Speaker 1: ninety seven for his fiftieth. And then I bought my mom.

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Speaker 1: I did buy her a car at one point, escalade,

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Speaker 1: I think, but that's it, you know, And so they

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Speaker 1: don't want anything. Look, they're insulted that if I were

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Speaker 1: to pick up the tab or praise yourself, and so

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Speaker 1: you know, they're like, look, we got our own money.

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Speaker 1: We don't need you know, we don't need your your

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Speaker 1: handouts and so um. But here's the thing, here's the

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Speaker 1: thing that was fascinating about that, this whole conversation is fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I don't know a black parent. Don't that don't be like,

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Speaker 1: give me something like this is fascinating. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think I think it speaks to to you know,

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Speaker 1: like they're achievers and they've they've had their own successes

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Speaker 1: and and and um and and so certainly I'm mindful

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Speaker 1: of that and they're proud of that. Um. But also

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not trying to judge or I

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Speaker 1: don't want to come off the wrong way, but I

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Speaker 1: think the fact that I've never liked, you know, took

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Speaker 1: care of them financially, and I would, I mean I

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Speaker 1: would if if I needed to. But I think it's

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Speaker 1: it's allowed for the relationship to be real and to

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Speaker 1: be like they never once have beenen their tongue. They

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Speaker 1: never like you know, had to bite their tongue or

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Speaker 1: hold back or change the role of being a parent.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, I'm not perfect, and sometimes I

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Speaker 1: make mistakes. I heard it. I never know. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't believe it. I don't believe that My parents and

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Speaker 1: my wife would tell you, yes, I made a lot

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Speaker 1: of it. But you know, they've always like they've been

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Speaker 1: able to be straight shooters with me. And you know,

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Speaker 1: having people who tell you what you need to hear.

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Speaker 1: I think it is so important as we talk about

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Speaker 1: navigating celebrity in life, and they've always done that and

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Speaker 1: and so I think if they were on the quote

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Speaker 1: unquote payroll, that that might compromise that a bit, that

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Speaker 1: might make it difficult. I'm not trying to say that

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Speaker 1: that's the case for other people, but I just know,

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Speaker 1: you know, money has not changed the dynamics of our relationship,

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Speaker 1: and that's something I'm grateful for. Thank you all so

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Speaker 1: much for listening to two seasons of Naked Gosh. Time

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Speaker 1: has flown. As mentioned started in the pandemic are We're

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Speaker 1: still going strong. I appreciate it. As we look forward

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Speaker 1: to a season three that will drop May the first

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Speaker 1: Monday in May. I hope that you all will listen.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate all of your support. Again, it does not

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Speaker 1: I don't take it for granted. I understand there are

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Speaker 1: places where you can go and listen, and I thank

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Speaker 1: you for doing that. Stick with us, we take a

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Speaker 1: brief break, try to come back better than ever for

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Speaker 1: season three. You all are a huge reason why that

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Speaker 1: is possible. Shout out to Black Effect and iHeartMedia. Have

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Speaker 1: a good one, y'all,