1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: Cowboys. 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: This is Mick shot screaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Hecma, Harrison, 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola. 7 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 3: It is a Thursday morning here inside the SWBC podcast 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: studio at the Star in Frisco, and outside at the 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: corner of Ventura en Vineyard in Oxnard, California. That's where 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 3: the star of this show, Mickey Spagnola still is. 11 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 4: And meanwhile, where is he? 12 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 5: Where is he? 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 4: Exactly at the corner of Ventura and Vineyard. 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: Is that way they're That's exactly right, Okay, yeah, all right, yeah, 15 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: where the Cowboys have called their training camp home for 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: some nineteen summers now, And of course Everson was a 17 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: part of those training camp homes for basically a full decade. 18 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: Up the down the road, thousand down the road in 19 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: two thousand and ozerhe is. 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 2: It CLC or CLU, it's now CLU. 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: California Lutheran University used to be California Lutheran College. But 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 3: you got Bill Jones, You've got Hecma. 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 5: Harrison Harris Moles who we areoy hexus strong baby, that's right, 24 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 5: and we are we. 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 3: Love welcoming hecma to the team to keep us straight here. 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: And Everson Walls, who was not here on Tuesday because 27 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: he didn't get the memo. 28 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 5: I did not get the memo. You guys got to 29 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 5: look out for me. Have you all forgotten you remember 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 5: last Are you supposed to call me? 31 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 6: No? 32 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: Even if you guys. 33 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 4: Who show is it it's mixed shots? 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 5: If you guys, even if you're not here and it's 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 5: a minute, I'm calling your number. 36 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: Hey man, what are you? 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 5: But I get no kind of I don't. 38 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: Get that reciprocate. 39 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 5: Wow, no reciprocation at all. That's okay. 40 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: I think I think it was on Mickey not to 41 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: let you know that we were getting together on Tuesday, 42 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: and uh, Mickey Spagnola, I'll let you start things off 43 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: out there because I know you can't wait to get 44 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 3: things started. Looks like it's not as hot and sunny 45 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 3: out there today. You don't have the sun shining on 46 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 3: your forehead this morning. 47 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 6: Only because Producer Supreme put an umbrella over my head. 48 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 6: The sun is out brightly it's warming up. It's sixty 49 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 6: three degrees, which is five degrees warmer than it was 50 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 6: when I woke up and it was fallah right, I 51 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 6: do mean fahrenheit, and I had to take my sunglasses 52 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 6: off right in my bike in because it was so 53 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 6: foggy my sunglasses got it. 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 5: Such a tough life, Yes, it's such a tough life. 55 00:02:59,120 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: It is, Umbrella. 56 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 5: Thank you for really sacrificing yourself the way you are. 57 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 7: I do it every year just for you guys. 58 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 5: Thank you. 59 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 4: Meanwhile, here it's eighty. 60 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 3: Eight degrees with a high of ninety six, and Mickey 61 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: will have a high of about seventy. 62 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: Two as usual. 63 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: So much to get to on this edition of the show. 64 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: As we had the joint practice on Tuesday. What you 65 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 3: missed Everson? On Tuesday morning, we previewed the joint practice 66 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 3: the Cowboys and the Rams, and so now we got 67 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 3: to get the review. 68 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 4: But to get kick. 69 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: Things off since Everson, it's been six weeks or so 70 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: since we've seen you, let's just find out from Everson 71 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: what his preliminary thoughts are on this Cowboys team. Now 72 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: more than two weeks into training camp and just two 73 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: days away from the preseason opener at the Rams on 74 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: Saturday night. 75 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 5: Believe in not bild. I have very few thoughts on that. 76 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 4: Okay, that's it. Heck, may you take it away now. 77 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 8: I figured we get more than that, but I'm learning 78 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 8: a lot about Uh. 79 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 4: We we got more questions than we have answered. 80 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but that's okay. 81 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 8: I tried to pick his brains on some things earlier 82 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 8: when he came into the studio and I. 83 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: Got literally the same. I thought it was me and 84 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 2: it's not. 85 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 4: You didn't think you'd bring that to the ad do that. 86 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: But he did keeps it on us, keeps it real. Absolutely, 87 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: he does. 88 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 8: You know, after the joint practice, after watching it, you know, 89 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 8: I really felt like the tempo of the practice had changed, 90 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 8: especially for the Cowboys, which you've seen them in practice, 91 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 8: and when you saw them get into you know, obviously 92 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 8: a guy with a different color in front of you, 93 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 8: a lot changed. I loved the the interview yesterday with 94 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 8: coach Schottenheimer when he was basically saying, look, it was 95 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 8: good to get those looks with the team like the Rams. 96 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 8: That gave them multiple things to think about. So they 97 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 8: gave them you know, hey, when when you're scheming up 98 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 8: against a team like that, and especially going into Saturday, 99 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 8: gives these guys a lot to consider, especially when you've 100 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 8: been going up against your own guys and you've kind 101 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 8: of become accustom. 102 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: And used to those plays. 103 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 8: And I know, you know a lot of guys, Hey, 104 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 8: they know what's coming, but when you go against the 105 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 8: other team, you don't know what's coming. So we saw 106 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 8: those changes, and I think it's just gonna be an 107 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 8: adjustment for this young team. 108 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 4: All right, So Mickey, what's your takeaway? 109 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 3: Being an eyewitness to what happened on Tuesday in Oxnard? 110 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 6: I basically watched the offense the entire time, so I 111 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 6: thought they had some moments. But as I wrote at 112 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 6: the beginning of the week, I like all the skill 113 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 6: players they have here, the fact that Dack's back, You've 114 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 6: got C d Lamb, George Pickens, Cavante Turpin is starting 115 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 6: to show up as a true wide receiver Ferguson, and 116 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 6: that's fine and good, but none of those guys can 117 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 6: do what they need to do if the offensive line 118 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 6: doesn't play well. And the offensive line did struggle some, 119 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 6: especially in the running game, and so it probably should 120 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 6: have been expected at least for this first scrimmage against 121 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 6: somebody else. They've been working against the four to three 122 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 6: defense the whole time here, and the Rams came in 123 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 6: with a three four and they got a pretty darn 124 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 6: good front. And we can start with Jared Verse. They're 125 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 6: outside linebacker who's basically a pass rusher. So I saw 126 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 6: a lot of missed assignments, meaning they weren't physically getting beat, 127 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 6: but they were mentally getting beat. And there were too 128 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 6: many times the running backs were getting hit behind the 129 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 6: line of scrimmage. And when that's happening, you're allowing guys 130 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 6: to just come through without being touched. So they struggled 131 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 6: running the football. And if you look at Brian Schottenheimer's 132 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 6: history as an offensive coordinator at different places, one of 133 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 6: his calling cards was running the football. So the offensive 134 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 6: lines got to improve. But again, if you look at 135 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 6: it realistically, Nate Thomas is playing late left tackle. He 136 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 6: hadn't played in a game since twenty twenty three, and 137 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 6: it wasn't left tackle. 138 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 4: And it wasn't in the NFL. It was at the 139 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 4: University of Louisiana. 140 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: Thank you. 141 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 5: Wow. 142 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 143 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 6: Brock Hoffman, who had been playing mostly backup center, now 144 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 6: is your backup left guard, and then Tyler Booker has 145 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 6: not played against an NFL team with a different color jersey, 146 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 6: So there was a lot of young guys on that 147 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 6: offensive line getting somewhat exposed for their lack of experience. 148 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 6: So I thought Schottenheimer said it best yesyesterday during his 149 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 6: press conference. He said, you know, when you're talking about 150 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 6: line play, it's got to be like a symphony. Everybody's 151 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 6: got to be on the same page. You got to 152 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 6: be orchestrated, and a lot of times they weren't. So 153 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 6: we'll see if this improves on Saturday. And the other thing, 154 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 6: let's point out they didn't prepare for a three to 155 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 6: four defense. 156 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 7: They didn't prepare for maybe what the Rams were gonna do. 157 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 6: They just said, hey, go out there, use your eyes, 158 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 6: play your technique, and let's see what happens. Well, they struggled. 159 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 6: But when they blocked it the Cowboys and this got 160 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 6: lost in the shuffle here the passing game, they were 161 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 6: ripping the Rams secondary apart when they gave Dak the 162 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 6: proper protection. 163 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 5: Hey, Spags, I was wondering, but you didn't even see 164 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 5: the defensive side of it. But you know, before Bill 165 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 5: moved on from my open statement I was gonna say, 166 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 5: I have been worried about what's in the trenches for 167 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 5: the Cowboys this year. Of course, we have all the stars, 168 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 5: we have all the receivers, we got the running back, 169 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 5: we got the quarterback, tight ends and all of that. 170 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 5: But where we were getting our butts kicked last year 171 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 5: was in the trenches, not just offensively, but also defensively. 172 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 5: I don't think we shored ourselves up enough this off 173 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 5: season in regards to girth. You know, we need some 174 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 5: big guys down up front, and we seem to go 175 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 5: the opposite way. We have more athletic guys than we 176 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 5: have guys that can clog. 177 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: Up the middle. 178 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 5: Was that were we exposed any at all by the 179 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 5: Rams running game yesterday? 180 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 6: They hit some big runs against the Cowboys, but again 181 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 6: I think of it, a lot of it had to 182 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 6: do with, you know, not knowing enough about the Rams. 183 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 6: There was too many holes for a couple big runs. 184 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 6: And again I'm not sure who was on the field 185 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 6: when they did that. 186 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 7: But the only. 187 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 6: Spot they got bigger at up front was their seventh 188 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 6: round pick, Jay Toya, who has been somewhat surprising for 189 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 6: a seventh round pick. 190 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: I still need more. 191 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 6: Yes, I think so. And he's getting some snake. He 192 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 6: actually got some snaps with the first team. That'll be 193 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 6: a position they need to keep their eye on. They 194 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 6: did bring in a veteran, a guy Perry On Winfrey, 195 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 6: who didn't play. I don't remember how much he played 196 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 6: last year. If he was hurt, he was, and he 197 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 6: he was in the USFL or the UFLU, so he's 198 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 6: a little bigger body. They need him to get going 199 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 6: if it's gonna help in the middle. And then Mazie, 200 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 6: we'll see where he's at. He did got a little 201 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 6: bit of a knee irritation. The defensive ends I think 202 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 6: will be pretty strong. Aaron Whitecotton, the defensive line coach, 203 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 6: was high and really high and Azeroku, as a matter 204 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 6: of fact, he was trying to get him to draft 205 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 6: him in the first round, not the second round. And 206 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 6: I think from a defensive ends standpoint, I think they've 207 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 6: hit a home run there. Now he's young, right, but hey, 208 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 6: he led the you know, the acc in sacks last year. 209 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 6: He was the defensive player of the year, so he's 210 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 6: got something. So that helps. I think Kneeland healthy is 211 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 6: playing well. You know, Folloer's going to be the rotational 212 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 6: defensive end. But none of that answers your question because 213 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 6: the guy that they the biggest guy, or I should 214 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 6: the most experienced guy they added, is Solomon Thomas, and 215 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 6: he's he's basically a three technique, not a one technique. 216 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 6: So I'm gonna have to say how that position plays out. 217 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 5: I gotta say, spags. I remember when I was with 218 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 5: the Giants and we were pretty good at stopping the run, 219 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 5: and the main thing that Diasce and Peppa Johnson were 220 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 5: doing they were closing that that they were bursting that 221 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 5: bubble between them and the offensive lineman. In other words, 222 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 5: they didn't leave any gap when it came to running 223 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 5: the ball. They were going to make sure and attack 224 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 5: those guards right off the bat once they realized it 225 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 5: was run. 226 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 8: Do we have any linebackers like that right now? How 227 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 8: are they playing? 228 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 5: Not necessarily against the Rams, but how have they been 229 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 5: playing all training camp in regards to playing, you know, 230 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 5: being able to play downhill against the run as linebackers. 231 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 6: So Everson, I got to qualify it because you know, 232 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 6: until Saturday, they haven't actually tackle played tackle football, right 233 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 6: It's thumping up trying to fill the spot. And I 234 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 6: thought Jack Sanborn might be a pleasant surprise. He's about 235 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 6: the size of Sean Lee. Now, does he have the 236 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 6: instincts of Shawn Lee. He's shown a little bit of that, 237 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 6: and that's what he's going to have to rely on 238 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 6: because he's not the biggest middle linebacker. But then again, 239 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 6: KENDRICKX last year, if I remember correctly led the team 240 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 6: with one hundred and forty five tackles and he wasn't 241 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 6: the biggest linebacker either. Kenneth Murray was really playing well 242 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 6: until he missed about a week he went home for 243 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 6: the birth of a child, and so he's just getting 244 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 6: back in the swing of things. Leo File I think 245 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 6: is doing what they're are expecting him to do. 246 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 7: And then there. 247 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 6: It was fourth round, fifth round draft choice Shermar James 248 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 6: as a rookie. I think he's got I think he's 249 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 6: got caught their eyes. So from a linebacker standpoint, if 250 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 6: they can at least give them an opportunity, I think 251 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 6: they'll be okay. And now the other thing I'm going 252 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 6: to add and and Everson might or might not appreciate this, 253 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 6: but eber Flus, the defensive coordinator, said, if we're going 254 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 6: to play the run, well, the cornerbacks have to tackle. 255 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no house guests, No house guests. 256 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: Right, all right, heckma, let's let's hear you way in 257 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: on this front. 258 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 8: Seven on defense now, I think what you know, what 259 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 8: Everson brings up about the defensive line is what all 260 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 8: Cowboy fans have been talking about. I mean, I think 261 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 8: Mozzie Smith and his struggles in the middle of the field, 262 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 8: and you see the running game from other This is 263 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 8: what the Dallas Cowboys haven't been able to stop in 264 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 8: years has been the run and they've needed that guy 265 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 8: that that plugger in the middle basically. And what you're 266 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 8: talking about schematically, are our guys two gap guys? 267 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: Are they you know, are they shooting the gaps? Things 268 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: like that? 269 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 8: And I think that's the excitement that Ibra Fluss brings 270 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 8: as a defensive coordinator because you need to see that 271 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 8: change because when you bring up the linebackers and just 272 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 8: go back, going back to last year, it was a struggle. 273 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: You know those guys. 274 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 8: I'm putting it mouthly, but it was because you know, 275 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 8: they had you know, they had these guys, you know, 276 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 8: those offensive guards and tackles in their laps at all time, 277 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 8: and so if you bringing in a guy like Solomon 278 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 8: Thomas bringing having Osa Diggi Zua on a new contract. 279 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 8: You know, Perry and Winfrey. The guy that they're talking about, 280 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 8: he's six four, two hundred and ninety pounds. But the 281 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 8: guy that Mickey was just speaking of, Jay Toya, he's 282 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 8: six four, three and thirty. 283 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 3: Pounds to Okay, So a guy like that, you probably 284 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: isn't very easy to move. 285 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 8: And that's all those linebackers need to have to be 286 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 8: able to diagnose and read right. And so going back 287 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 8: to that, Johnny, you bring up a team that you say, yeah, 288 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 8: we were able to stop the run, Well, heck yeah, 289 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 8: y'all were, I mean, but all the other pieces that 290 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 8: y'all had around were able to shed and get to 291 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 8: the ball because guys were not going ten yards the 292 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 8: other way. And so that is literally the one thing 293 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 8: that coach Eberflus has to implement with this defense is 294 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 8: guys getting up feeling. If you're a two gap guy, 295 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 8: take up that space and don't allow for yourself to 296 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 8: be taken back. And that's what we've been seeing year 297 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 8: after year. 298 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: And the other thing ever soon to remember about Perry 299 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 3: on Winfrey is that he's in Oklahoma. 300 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: So wow, wow, that got plugged. 301 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 5: Right well that yeah, you should have a calendar, a 302 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 5: calendar around here. 303 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 4: So there's one one Oklahoma's mention right there, all right. 304 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 3: When we come back on mix shots, more takes from 305 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 3: Mickey on what he saw at the joint practice, says 306 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 3: we get you ready also for the first preseason game 307 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 3: of the year Saturday night. 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Get your Training Camp Preview 348 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 5: today at your local pro shop or Dallascowboys dot Com 349 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 5: slash store money. 350 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 4: All right, Oh, it's so great to hear the voice 351 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 4: of Everson. 352 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: Wow, thank you read once again. 353 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 5: So I feel at home. 354 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: I feel and sounds like you've been practicing a lot 355 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: that was flawless. 356 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 2: Did I need the practice? 357 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 5: It sounds like I needed the practice. 358 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 3: They need the practice that you got that burner education. 359 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, all education, there you go. 360 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 3: All right, Mickey Spagnola, what's the what are they doing 361 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 3: out there today? 362 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 4: They had a day off yesterday? 363 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 5: Is that what? 364 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 4: No practice yesterday? 365 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 5: Right? 366 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 6: No, no practice a day off, so they they had 367 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 6: they had to walkthroughs or talk throughs. 368 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,239 Speaker 7: However Schottenheimer describes it. 369 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 6: Uh, they'll get on the field with a pre practice 370 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 6: walk through here in about about an hour or maybe 371 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 6: by time we finish here, and then a full practice today. 372 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 6: I would imagine they back off a little bit on Friday, 373 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 6: though they have a practice scheduled and then leave for 374 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 6: LA on Saturday morning. They're expected to arrive at the 375 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 6: stadium around noon for a four o'clock game. 376 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 3: Okay, very good at six o'clock game Dallas time on 377 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 3: Saturday night. Aside from the run defense, heck, mo, from 378 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 3: what you're hearing from out there, what is it that 379 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 3: coming out of the Tuesday joint practice that caught your eye? 380 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 8: Well, I guess you know, coach Schatt Nahumer talked about 381 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 8: DeVante Adams is still pretty good. You saw that they 382 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 8: still have Pookinaka and other guys out there, and they 383 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 8: just look basically playing of vanilla coverage, you're gonna get 384 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 8: burned and you're gonna get shown up, especially with a 385 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 8: Sean mcvay's offense. 386 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: So some of those things you see, I think. 387 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 8: It for people from the outside looking in, you're just like, 388 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 8: oh my god, these are just the same problems that 389 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 8: we had last season. Because you ended the season on 390 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 8: a Terry mcclaurin touchdown in the corner. So that's the 391 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 8: last thoughts of everyone, right, and so you want to 392 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 8: see the secondary get better. You want to see these 393 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 8: guys ball hawking. But like Everson Wall said, look, man, 394 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 8: nobody's counting interceptions. You know in training camp right now, 395 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 8: but you just want to see these guys be able 396 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 8: to turn, you know, and pivot and isolate isolate themselves, 397 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 8: but also you know, get to the ball immediately. 398 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 5: Has anyone shown. 399 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk cornerbacks it right. 400 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, especially whether they've been seeing Heck or Spags. Have 401 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 5: any dbs shown. 402 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 4: And you're going to be out of the conversation. 403 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: I was out there for two weeks, will you Yeah? Okay, well, Bill, 404 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: you know what I do. 405 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 5: See the Golden Tan. 406 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: Everybody came. 407 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 5: Ba's why you got the camera? 408 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely so. 409 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 3: I mean when you tell me where the concern is 410 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 3: the injuries at cornerback right now, I mean when you 411 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 3: don't have a Treyvon Diggs out there, and you don't 412 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 3: have the third round draft picks of owned rebel out there, 413 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 3: and the list goes on and on with other cornerbacks 414 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 3: as well, and so these other guys, who's going to 415 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 3: be ready September fourth at Philadelphia? But Mickey, who's caught 416 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 3: your eye as a kyer elam is one I. 417 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 5: Was going to ask you. He was playing pretty well. 418 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And of course you got de Ron Bland did 419 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: miss some time for the birth of a child. But 420 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 3: he has been back for a week now and so 421 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 3: you're starting to see it come together a little bit. 422 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 3: But Kayln Carson the fifth round path, he's out for 423 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 3: six weeks so, and he battled injuries last year. Mickey, 424 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 3: what are you seeing out of the corners out there? 425 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? 426 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 6: Not enough Without Trayvon Diggs out there, you know, he's 427 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 6: kind of holding that position hostage because he's not ready. 428 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 7: And and you know, I understand he had a pretty significant. 429 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 6: Operation surgery on the cartilage in his knee, but he 430 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 6: chose not to train rehab with the Cowboys trainers. He 431 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 6: did it whoever he paid in Miami to stay there 432 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 6: and do it. So the big thing right now with him, 433 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 6: I see him working out, he's starting to re engage 434 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 6: with his teammates, but his conditioning is keeping him out 435 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 6: of practice. And I can't get a straight answer on 436 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 6: when he's going to be ready. 437 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 7: But he's not ready now. 438 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 5: So Alie, but his conditioning. Is that what you're saying 439 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 5: right now? 440 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 6: It's his conditioning, yes, and so they're working them hard, 441 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 6: but let's see when he gets on the field, because 442 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 6: without him on the field, here's the dilemma. Their best 443 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 6: outside corner on the field now is Deron Bland. Okay, 444 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 6: their best to play in the slot right now is 445 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 6: Doron Blant just playing both? I guess he can do yeah, 446 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,959 Speaker 6: I guess he can do both. But if he plays 447 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 6: in the slot, who's on the outside. Kyir Elam has 448 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 6: caught everybody's eye? Yes, now, he he never really engaged 449 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 6: and injuries had something to do with it with Buffalo 450 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 6: and why they were willing to trade him. So they 451 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 6: need him to really step up on the outside they're 452 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 6: gonna put he has now. 453 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 7: I don't know how he played in the scrimmage. 454 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 6: I didn't get a chance to see that part, but 455 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 6: in practice he's been the guy on the outside, so 456 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 6: that helps. But after that, it's pretty thin. You know, 457 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 6: without Digs out there, you know, they've given booth An opportunity, 458 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 6: They've given Troy Pride opportunity. You probably can go out 459 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 6: there and cover better than those guys. 460 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 5: So that is not a good sign that side. 461 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 6: The depth, the depth that cornerback without Digs on the 462 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 6: field is troublesome and I think it probably showed up 463 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 6: in the scrimmage and I would imagine it'll show up 464 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 6: in the game now. 465 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 7: Here's the other thing. 466 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 6: As Schottenheimer pointed out, they play everything they did offensively 467 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 6: and defensively was vanilla. As he said, we pulled out 468 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 6: a seven iron and we played eighteen holes just using 469 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 6: our seven iron. And I thought this was a pretty 470 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 6: pretty on the spot because he said, you know, everybody 471 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 6: knows what Sean McVeigh does with their offense and defense. 472 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 6: He's been doing it for seven or eight years, so 473 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 6: he's got nothing to hide. What he does has been exposed. 474 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 6: They don't know what the Cowboys are going to do, 475 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 6: and he's not going to reveal anything till they get 476 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 6: to Philadelphia, so you can count on a vanilla offense 477 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 6: and a vanilla defense. And as he said, and we 478 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 6: were going to be real vanilla on offense until I 479 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 6: got pissed off and I decided we're throwing deep. And 480 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 6: that's when Milton hooked up with Jalen Brooks. But they 481 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 6: weren't supposed to call those because they didn't want to 482 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 6: show anything, and. 483 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 7: So they said, well, what are you going to do 484 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 7: going forward? 485 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 6: He goes, We're going to play with the seven iron 486 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 6: until I get pissed off. 487 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 5: Okay, so you you have what were the rams playing 488 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 5: with Were they playing with the seven nine as well? 489 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 6: They they with everything everything. 490 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 7: They had nothing to hide. They didn't have nothing to hide. 491 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 3: Because people have scouted and they know what Sean McVay 492 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 3: does on offense. 493 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, I have. That was the question. 494 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,719 Speaker 8: My question is, you know, when when Mickey says that 495 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 8: Trayvon Diggs is holding the secondary hostage, that is, well, 496 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 8: that's hot off the press. 497 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: When did get hurt last year? 498 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 8: I know? 499 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 5: But but what time of the you know what it 500 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 5: was at. 501 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 7: The end of the year. 502 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 6: He ended up on ir and they they had to 503 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 6: do a surgery. 504 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 7: And I'll just explain it. 505 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,719 Speaker 6: He he had like a divot in his cartilage and 506 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 6: they had to pack in, uh, some replacement for the 507 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 6: cartilage that had the hole in there. 508 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 5: Uh. 509 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 7: And you know, and and let's look at it this way. 510 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 6: He had a workout clause in his contract right that 511 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 6: if he didn't do eighty percent of the work with 512 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 6: the Cowboys at the facility, he was going to get 513 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 6: docked five hundred thousand dollars off his base salary. 514 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 7: He was willing to. 515 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 6: Lose five hundred thousand dollars not working out with the Cowboys, Okay, and. 516 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 5: So that's a lot of money. 517 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: The reality of the situation quickly, a lot of money. 518 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 6: Yoh, did I emphasize the five thousand dollars five hundred 519 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 6: thousand dollars? 520 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 7: Right? And here's the other thing. 521 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 6: He's got a per game bonus in his contract where 522 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 6: uh he if he plays in all seventeen games or 523 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 6: as active for all seventeen games, he's going to make 524 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 6: another million dollars. So every game he is not active, 525 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 6: he's going to lose out on fifty eight thousand dollars 526 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 6: a game. So not only did he not work out, 527 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 6: if he's not ready to start the season, now he's 528 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 6: he's not getting deducted money, he's losing the ability to 529 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 6: make the money. 530 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: I get it. But here's the things. 531 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 7: But here we are. 532 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 5: He's not going to be ready. He's not going to 533 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 5: be if he just got hurt at the end of 534 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 5: the season last year. They didn't expect for him to 535 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 5: be ready for the season this year, did they? Oh? 536 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 7: No, they expected him to be ready. They did off 537 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 7: of a Yes, a c L injury. 538 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: It wasn't. 539 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 4: It wasn't an a. 540 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 5: C It wasn't. 541 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 7: No, it wasn't an a CL It was it was cartilage. 542 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 3: It was cartilage, but it was some special surgery that 543 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 3: that Mickey explained. 544 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 4: I wasn't listening to. 545 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 5: Write each other trying to do business up here with bags. 546 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: I'm admired. 547 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 3: He was looking at my flip cards for the Preson 548 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 3: game on Saturday. Well, what professional broadcasters would do it 549 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 3: on a computer? 550 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 4: And everything? 551 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: I do it. 552 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 3: Right everything, So, just so you know, he was trying 553 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 3: to decide to dissect what I've written on my flip side, 554 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 3: and so he wrote a little note to me, and. 555 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 8: These are his spot of boards for the game. And 556 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 8: I told him that the spotter board looked like a 557 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 8: cheesecake factory menu. 558 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 4: Right, I'm the only one who can read it. 559 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 5: Grand Look, that's exactly what is this you do? 560 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 4: That's why I don't Mickey. 561 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 3: Mickey is my spotter on a lot of most of 562 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 3: these preseason games. And the reason Mickey can't do can't 563 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 3: spot the players is because he can't read it. 564 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 4: He can't read. 565 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 3: My my flip card, my spotterboard in order to find 566 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 3: who made that tackle. 567 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: And so. 568 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 4: No, I can read it. 569 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: Okay, that I can read. 570 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 3: It, Okay, Button, you digressed? 571 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 7: Yes, all right? 572 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: When we come back here, we had the assistant coaches 573 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 3: talked to the media for the first time yesterday, and 574 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 3: I'm going to assume Mickey Spagnola was doing his job 575 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 3: and was in on those interviews, and we need to 576 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: hear uh his takeaways from some of those assistant coaches 577 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 3: when we come back on Mixed Shots in just a moment. 578 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 5: Star Sports Tools is the only official fan travel partner 579 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 5: of the Dallas Cowboys, offering exclusive game weekend travel packages 580 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 5: with pregame, sideline access and photo ops with current players, cheerleaders, 581 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 5: and Cowboy legends. 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Let's kick this segment off with Hekma 627 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 3: posing a question of Mickey and Oxnard California. 628 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 8: Well, you know, I thought it was interesting when Mickey 629 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 8: is talking about Deron Bland and I think Duran in 630 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 8: a contract year, the position flexibility may be not adding 631 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 8: to his value as a player. When what I mean 632 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 8: by that is nickel corners don't make the same that 633 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 8: the guys on on islands make. So they've been playing 634 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 8: even in OTA's he's been playing the nickel a lot. 635 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 8: And so you know, in this in an environment where 636 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 8: you're trying to add and get more money, I see 637 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 8: that as something that may be a hindrance to him 638 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 8: as an athlete. 639 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 2: We know how good he is. 640 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 8: He set NFL records, you know for returns on interceptions, 641 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 8: And I just wanted to know from you, Mickey, have 642 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 8: you heard anything about that? It's any whispers of that 643 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 8: from Deron Blain's camp. Are just talking about how that 644 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,479 Speaker 8: may affect him when he comes to sign. 645 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 3: Let me let me throw this in there before you 646 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 3: answer that, Mickey, I'm thinking that I wouldn't be surprised 647 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 3: if Deron Bland doesn't go into a contract year this year. 648 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 3: In other words, they get something done here just a thought. 649 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 6: What would not surprise me either, And that makes him 650 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 6: more valuable. Remember what Barber did in Tampa Bay in 651 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 6: base defense, he played outside corner. When they went to nickel, 652 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 6: he played inside. So you can do both, and I 653 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 6: think doing both makes you even more valuable to this team. 654 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 5: I agree with you on that. Yeah, that's I did 655 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 5: the same thing. 656 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 6: I mean, think about it. Not every outside curtainer can 657 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 6: go into the slot. 658 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 5: Well tell me about and play. And I think the 659 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 5: fact that he's he'll be playing rundowns on the outside 660 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 5: based defense on the outside and then able to switch 661 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 5: inside on the slot, I think that just makes him 662 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 5: that gives him another bullet in his gun. You know, 663 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,720 Speaker 5: I truly believe it makes him more valuable as opposed 664 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 5: to less valuable, because he's able to do both. What 665 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 5: it does, it brings an opportunity for another player who 666 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 5: may not be able to play the slot. It gives 667 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 5: him an opportunit. I wanted to stay away from this 668 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 5: weak spot and be able to play outside like most 669 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 5: base corners are accustomed to doing. I had to do 670 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 5: it as I got older, and the guy from Tampa 671 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 5: he had to do it as he got older as well. 672 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 5: So coming in able to. 673 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,919 Speaker 7: Do that, it was Rondez bar Rondez. 674 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 5: Bareseah coming in coming in being able to do that 675 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 5: at this time of his career is a bonus because 676 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 5: most of us don't were forced into it later on 677 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 5: in our careers. 678 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 2: All right. 679 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 6: I think how they line up Bill on Saturday. They've 680 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 6: been using Keemen Hall quite a bit in the slot, 681 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 6: so that's an opportunity for him to kind of show 682 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 6: what he can do. And I talked to Kayer Elam 683 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 6: about the slot, and he said, you know, he he 684 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 6: has done both. He said he did both at Florida, 685 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 6: but they've primarily used him as one of the outside 686 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 6: guys because they're without digs there. They're pretty thin at 687 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 6: outside cornerback, and you know. 688 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 5: Let's in case. I'm sure a lot of fans understand 689 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 5: the difference between that slot and being the base corner. 690 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 5: You know, when you play the corner in base defense, 691 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 5: then you always have alignments that you can count on 692 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 5: to give you a tip off on what the offense 693 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 5: is trying to do and what the wide receiver is 694 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 5: trying to do against you. If you're lined up too 695 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 5: close to the sidelines, then you can kind of as 696 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 5: a defensive back, you can play further inside things of 697 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 5: that nature. If he lines up tight, then you can 698 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 5: look for him to possibly setting up something for going 699 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 5: to cross the field. Basically, what I'm saying is the 700 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 5: positioning of the wide receiver on the outside it depicts 701 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 5: what they might be trying to do when they run routes. 702 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 5: But when you get at the slot area, when you're 703 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:59,240 Speaker 5: playing slot defense, that wide receiver has the entire field 704 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 5: to work with. And that can be this concerning for 705 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 5: dbs because you there's no tip unless you really study hard, 706 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 5: there's no obvious tip on what route this wide receiver 707 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 5: might run based on alignment. When you lined up in 708 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 5: the slot, you can go anywhere the hell you want 709 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 5: to go as a wide receiver. 710 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 6: So Everson, So Everson, If it's is it harder to 711 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 6: double the receiver in the slot? 712 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 2: It is not. 713 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 7: On the outside, it is not. 714 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, you can disguise it very 715 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 5: well as long as you and your safety can be 716 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 5: creative on how you can disguise. So, No, a double 717 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 5: from the slot to me, and especially the fact that 718 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 5: that's your number one receiver on most third down passes 719 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 5: and plays, that's that slot position can get you in trouble. 720 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 5: As we saw the Cowboys do against Green Bay. You know, 721 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 5: when you know that Cede Lamb is on the move 722 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 5: and he's making that move as a slot receiver, they 723 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 5: jumped it right away from the double ti. They had 724 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 5: somebody waiting inside while the cornerback that was covering him 725 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 5: played the outside, and of course that resulted in the 726 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 5: pick six for Green Bay Packers. 727 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 3: Okay, Mickey, assistant coaches talked yesterday, give me one assistant 728 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 3: coach that you listen to that cut your ear. 729 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 7: Well, a couple. 730 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 6: We can start with Connor Riley, the offensive line coach. 731 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 6: He was talking about how Tyler Booker needs to just 732 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 6: go out and play football. 733 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 2: It said. 734 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 6: He said, he's trying to be too perfect and he's 735 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,959 Speaker 6: trying to think too much. He just needs to cut 736 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 6: it loose, is one of the things he said. And 737 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 6: the other thing about Nate Thomas, he said he's. 738 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 7: Got the tools. 739 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 6: Now he has to believe he has the tools and 740 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 6: play with more confidence. One of the things that I know, 741 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 6: it's not an assistant coach, but talking with Naytan in Frisco, 742 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 6: that Thomas needs to play more with his arms. He 743 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 6: was letting the defensive ends get into his body and 744 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 6: he's trying to play with his shoulders. He said, he 745 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 6: needs to get his arms out. He's strong enough to 746 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 6: be able to hold guys off and you can direct 747 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 6: him that way. So that was one thing I saw 748 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 6: about that Aaron Whitecotton. It's pretty sharp the defensive line coach, 749 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 6: and I think the more people hear from him, the 750 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 6: more they're going to say, Okay, they ended up with 751 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 6: a really, really top notch defensive line coach. And you 752 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 6: know his deal is making sure that you know their 753 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 6: guys are attacking but doing their assignments. And let me 754 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,760 Speaker 6: tell you. One thing I learned about him. You remember 755 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 6: when the Cowboys brought in the former players to watch 756 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 6: practice that day. 757 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 7: I wasn't an ota or. 758 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 3: One of those players, right, Yeah, I forgot watch. 759 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,720 Speaker 7: Practice and. 760 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 6: Larry Larry Cole, the former Cowboys defensive tackle. Uh, we 761 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 6: were talking and he said, Hey, this this defensive line coach. 762 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 6: He goes, I said in the meeting, uh, And he goes, 763 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 6: I like this guy. He said, you know, you reminded 764 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 6: me of Ernie Stuttner. And I said, whoa, that's pretty 765 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 6: big compliment for a guy that was a defensive line 766 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 6: coach defensive coordinator for so long, and as a player 767 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 6: is in the Hall of Fame. 768 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 7: Uh. So uh yeah, you're gonna like you're gonna like 769 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 7: this white cotton. Uh for sure. 770 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 6: I listened to little bit of David Overstreet, the secondary coach, 771 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 6: and he was talking about how he can't stand when 772 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 6: receivers catch a ball. He goes, I don't want anybody 773 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 6: to catch a ball. And he goes, when my guys 774 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 6: let somebody catch a ball, I get pissed off. And 775 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 6: so I said, oh, that's a different approach to coaching 776 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 6: the secondary. But that's how aggressive he wants his dbs 777 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 6: to be to be able to play the ball, and 778 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 6: that's one of Matt Eberflus's deal. And they felt like 779 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 6: they didn't play the ball enough to get takeaways in 780 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 6: that scrimmage. So I'm sure if you do that too much, 781 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 6: you'd probably get burned once or twice. But if you're 782 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 6: playing the way you're supposed to play and cover, then 783 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 6: I think that's probably would be a good sign. So 784 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 6: you know, they attack this four on one in my 785 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,240 Speaker 6: case because I'm by myself and they had four guys 786 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,479 Speaker 6: talking at the same time. 787 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 3: Okay, we've got one minute left. I asked Mickey for 788 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 3: one coach and he gave me three. But we had 789 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 3: one minute left. We had a preseason game on Saturday night, 790 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 3: and so I want to go around the horn real quickly, 791 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 3: and one player that you're you want to see on 792 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 3: Saturday night you want to go first. 793 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,280 Speaker 8: I'm gonna start our rookie first round draft pick, Tyler Booker. 794 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 8: You know, I'm really excited to see him. I think 795 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 8: that he can bring a dynamic to this offensive line. 796 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 8: After losing Zach Martin, I mean, our offensive line has 797 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,479 Speaker 8: struggled and then we couldn't get the run game going, 798 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 8: and having a piece like him, I think really will 799 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 8: help this offensive line in totality. The injuries right now 800 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 8: for the offensive line are starting to mount up, and 801 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,760 Speaker 8: that's what's making me nervous right now for the group. 802 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 2: But just seeing him, that's what I want. 803 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 5: Ever soon you got one second rounder. I don't know 804 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 5: how to say his name. What's his name? 805 00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 2: Is a Roku? 806 00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 5: Is a rakkup? 807 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 8: Use it? 808 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 5: That's Bill's job, but. 809 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 4: It's fun to say, what. 810 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,280 Speaker 5: Is a Roku? I want to see if that motor 811 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 5: can continue to work. I want to know if he's 812 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 5: going to be that guy to where you say when 813 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 5: he comes on the field, he's going to leave it 814 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 5: all out on the field. I want to see if 815 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 5: he's that guy. All right, get MVP Defensive, MVP of ACC. 816 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 2: Then you're doing special. 817 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 3: As Iroku number forty one, Booker number fifty two, Mickey, 818 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:27,879 Speaker 3: who's your guy? 819 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 6: Number twenty Cayir Elam. They really need this guy to 820 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 6: be a player. Even when Diggs came comes back, and 821 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 6: by the way, you remember we covered his dad, abe Elam. 822 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,400 Speaker 6: He was out here the other day and he looked 823 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 6: good enough in shape that they could put him out there. 824 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 4: Well, there you go. 825 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,399 Speaker 3: That could solve some of the problems there in the secondary. 826 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 5: All right, you can add dad to the boss. 827 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 4: Huh, that's right. Yeah, he's a little bill. 828 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 7: Who's your guy? 829 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,360 Speaker 3: My guy's number ten. Joe Milton, Oh, Milton needs going 830 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 3: to be the star of the preseason. The thumb is 831 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 3: good to go, and as the broadcaster of the games, 832 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,320 Speaker 3: I want Joe Milton to play as many snaps as possible. 833 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 3: We're not going to see dak right, he hasn't made 834 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:17,240 Speaker 3: that efficient. 835 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 7: I doubt it. 836 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 3: Okay, Joe Burrow's playing for Cincinnata tonight, and around the 837 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,360 Speaker 3: league there's a difference of opinion on whether your player 838 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 3: starters anyway. All right, we're done for this edition of 839 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 3: Mixed Shots. Enjoy the game on Saturday night, and they 840 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,480 Speaker 3: will be back on Monday, Wednesday and Friday next week. 841 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 4: Is that what we're doing? 842 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 3: Monday and Wednesday. 843 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 4: Next No, Friday, Monday, Wednesday, Monday and Wednesday. 844 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 7: We leave on Thursday. 845 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 4: Okay, very good. 846 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 3: So you're a week away. You've almost conquered it. Oxnard Mickey. Yeah, 847 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 3: so he's speechless. Finally rendered him speechless. 848 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 2: All right, I think that's right. 849 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, is Supreme cut his bike. I love it all 850 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 4: right because he knows that we gotta be done. He's 851 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,359 Speaker 4: got another show. 852 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 3: We got the Break coming up at the top of 853 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,720 Speaker 3: the hour, and we'll see you next time, eleven o'clock 854 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 3: Dallas time on Monday on mix Shots. 855 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 2: Oh Cowboys. 856 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: This has been a production of dallascowboys dot Com and 857 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,280 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.