Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted Social
Speaker 1: Distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford,
Speaker 1: joined as always by the one and only Wes Hodkowits,
Speaker 1: and Wes, I need to start this show by offering
Speaker 1: an apology to our regular listeners and viewers. Our plan
Speaker 1: was to do two shows per week during the regular season.
Speaker 1: We did not meet that goal a week ago. Long
Speaker 1: story short, I'll spare you the details. Just duties and
Speaker 1: other responsibilities and things got in the way all of
Speaker 1: us involved in this, including our producer Marvin Um. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we apologize for that. We are going to try to
Speaker 1: forge ahead and do two shows a week and we
Speaker 1: appreciate you sticking with us as we roll with the
Speaker 1: punches here in So with that, Wes, we have a
Speaker 1: second Packers victory to talk about. Forty two, twenty one
Speaker 1: Sunday at lambeau Field. The Packers double up on the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions, and fitting that the score was a double
Speaker 1: up because doubling up at the end of the first
Speaker 1: half beginning of the second half with those two touchdowns
Speaker 1: was really what swung this game in Green Bay's favor.
Speaker 1: So Here's what's funny. We did inside our inbox last
Speaker 1: week and somebody asked me, Hey, is there any chance
Speaker 1: that the Packers could repeat what they did against the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. I'm like, they had an all time like
Speaker 1: incredible performance. There's no chance you're gonna have another five yards,
Speaker 1: forty plus points, thirty plus first downs and no turnovers.
Speaker 1: That was the first time it had happened in franchise history.
Speaker 1: A week ago against Minnesota in Lo and behold they
Speaker 1: come up twelve yards shy in like four first downs
Speaker 1: of like hitting those same marks again. I mean they
Speaker 1: were off to just this trepid start right now. But
Speaker 1: you know, you talked an important thing there, Mike, and
Speaker 1: it's something that over the course of time here, especially
Speaker 1: over the last few years, it's become so important with
Speaker 1: the deferring the opening kickoff for teams trying to double
Speaker 1: up at the end of the half, and then going
Speaker 1: into the second half. Uh, this was as picture perfect
Speaker 1: as it gets in terms of how the Packers went
Speaker 1: about it. And then that you know carry to start
Speaker 1: the second half, a seventy five yard touchdown that Aaron
Speaker 1: Jones started the third quarter with. You couldn't ask for
Speaker 1: a better swing for Green Bay, not only on the scoreboard,
Speaker 1: going from being down four what was it, fourteen to ten,
Speaker 1: two up twenty four to fourteen. Not only just that,
Speaker 1: but just the momentum swing, the way it changed the defense,
Speaker 1: the way the offense started approaching the game differently. Uh,
Speaker 1: it was everything you could have wished it to be
Speaker 1: for the Packers and they come out on top and
Speaker 1: now two and oh in the NFC North. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever seen that double up
Speaker 1: on either ends of a halftime so close together. The
Speaker 1: Packers scored a touchdown fourteen seconds before intermission, and then
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones went of any five yards to the house
Speaker 1: twelve seconds into the third quarters. So twenty six seconds
Speaker 1: on the clock is all that had lapsed essentially between
Speaker 1: those two touchdowns. And yeah, it it really in a sense,
Speaker 1: it capped the Packers come back from being down fourteen
Speaker 1: to three after one quarter. It was an accomplishment enough
Speaker 1: just to be able to grab the lead by a halftime,
Speaker 1: but then to suddenly be ahead ten points before the
Speaker 1: Lions even got the ball in the second half. Was
Speaker 1: was really a big swing. And you look at you
Speaker 1: look at two sequences here west when the Packers are
Speaker 1: down fourteen to three, the touchdown that got them to
Speaker 1: fourteen to ten, Aaron Jones accounted for forty five of
Speaker 1: the seventy five yards on that drive. Then he bust
Speaker 1: the seventy five yard run to start the third quarter,
Speaker 1: and he was on his way to a career day
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty six yards from scrimmage rushing and
Speaker 1: receiving combined, the third most in Packers history, a career
Speaker 1: day for number thirty three. And I tell you what,
Speaker 1: I hate to say this because I don't want to
Speaker 1: you know, jinks him or anything, but this might not
Speaker 1: be the first time this year we're talking about a
Speaker 1: two hundred plus yards from scrimmage day for Aaron Jones. Well,
Speaker 1: and the reason you can say that, Mike, is because
Speaker 1: it happened last year against Kansas City, So over the
Speaker 1: span of what maybe ten games now, it's happened twice
Speaker 1: for him. An incredible performance. The thing I love the
Speaker 1: most about it, too, is that Jamal Williams had eight
Speaker 1: carries for sixty three yards too in this contest. If
Speaker 1: he would have had the touches, he probably would have
Speaker 1: went off for a career Day two, everything was clicking
Speaker 1: in the right way. The Packers got banged up on
Speaker 1: the offensive line, but they were still able to adjust
Speaker 1: and be able to create those opportunities Matt Patricia. In
Speaker 1: this plan for Detroit, they wanted to take away Davante Adams.
Speaker 1: That was apparent from the first kickoff of this game,
Speaker 1: and Adams, also dealing with the hamstring issue, only had
Speaker 1: three catches for thirty six yards, but they made them
Speaker 1: pay with the opportunities that they created with Aaron Jones.
Speaker 1: And I liked a line that Jones gave us in
Speaker 1: the postgame zoom call. He mentioned, how you know, early on,
Speaker 1: you gotta remember his longest carry against Minnesota was only
Speaker 1: fifteen yards, so early on he's getting these three four
Speaker 1: or five yard carries, and you're kind of wanting to
Speaker 1: break one here. You're wanting to actually sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: make a statement and not just have all these you know,
Speaker 1: short things underneath. Yes, they help you move the chains,
Speaker 1: but they're not really those back baked, blake, back breaking
Speaker 1: type plays and received exactly. Mercedes Lewis came came up
Speaker 1: to him on the sideline and he said, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: just stay at it, you're going to be able to
Speaker 1: break the big one. They got the twenty two yard
Speaker 1: pick up off the pass underneath at the end of
Speaker 1: the first half that you were talking about with that drive,
Speaker 1: and then to come up with the seventy five yard
Speaker 1: or a hundred and sixty eight rushing yards a career
Speaker 1: high for him, two hund thirty six all purpose yards,
Speaker 1: the most buy a Packers running back in team history,
Speaker 1: the third most overall behind Billy Houghton, and then also, um,
Speaker 1: you know Don Hudson. An incredible performance by Aaron Jones
Speaker 1: and being able to really make the Detroit Lions pay
Speaker 1: for picking their poison and wanted to take away Davante
Speaker 1: Adams of the passing game. Yeah, well, I want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about some of those pieces
Speaker 1: the Packers have on offense, but I don't want to
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Speaker 1: through two games here West, the Packers have one thousand
Speaker 1: and ten yards of total offense, which is like mind boggling.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing we saw. Davante Adams have the
Speaker 1: monster game against the Minnesota Vikings. Aaron Jones is the
Speaker 1: one with the monster game against the Detroit Lions. But
Speaker 1: you don't have a thousand yards of offense through two
Speaker 1: games if the complementary pieces are not doing their part.
Speaker 1: And you look at what's going on here. Mark Quisvelde
Speaker 1: Scantling has over a hundred and fifty receiving yards and
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Um Alan Lazard has over a hundred yards
Speaker 1: receiving and a touchdown through two games. Jamal Williams has
Speaker 1: over a hundred yards from scrimmage in two games. Robert
Speaker 1: Tanyan has a touchdown pass that the eight ends chiming
Speaker 1: in on on Sunday with a score. So, yes, they've
Speaker 1: had these big games from the big stars, and that's
Speaker 1: what you need to that that's what you need to win.
Speaker 1: But to establish any level of consistency with the offense,
Speaker 1: you've got to have these other guys chipping in. And yes,
Speaker 1: there have been some drop passes. Tanyan dropped one, MVS
Speaker 1: dropped a couple in Minnesota. All that the Packers know,
Speaker 1: there are things that they can smooth out, but they
Speaker 1: are getting the contributions, the complementary contributions to their star
Speaker 1: players that has really taken this offense to another level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really has, Mike, And you know, we talked about
Speaker 1: Joside Deguire last week and the contribution that he made
Speaker 1: and certainly end up having the shin an ankle injury,
Speaker 1: so he was out of this game against the Lions.
Speaker 1: But it's those type of players that maybe aren't necessarily
Speaker 1: a top ten round drafted player in a fantasy football league,
Speaker 1: but the type of guys that make your football team
Speaker 1: better and make your offense more efficient. I think Robert
Speaker 1: Tanian fits perfectly. It's it's incredible the journey he's been
Speaker 1: on and how being a practice squad player making a
Speaker 1: transition from receiver back in two thousand eighteen to now
Speaker 1: being in fitting into a system of offense. He wasn't
Speaker 1: even that wasn't even here when he started in Green Bay. Uh.
Speaker 1: Those are just how the domino is kind of aligned
Speaker 1: sometimes and how the chips fall and it works out
Speaker 1: really well. He fits the scheme well. He he's improved
Speaker 1: as a blocker, he's made plays underneath, and then certainly
Speaker 1: when the time came for him to get that pass
Speaker 1: in the end zone, a rocket that Aaron Rodgers just
Speaker 1: shot at him. He was able to bring that in
Speaker 1: in a big momentum, really ceiling type play for this offense.
Speaker 1: But he goes beyond that. It goes back to Jamal
Speaker 1: Williams as a complimentary piece. It goes back to a
Speaker 1: guy like MVS, who I think was written off by
Speaker 1: a lot of people last year. MBS is averaging twenty
Speaker 1: two yards of catch right now. I mean there is
Speaker 1: a home run power with him that you just can't find.
Speaker 1: And as I wrote in in inbox this week, I mean,
Speaker 1: could the Packers have benefited from drafting receiver Absolutely, with
Speaker 1: that of receivers still had an uphill climb to beat
Speaker 1: out these top three guys on the step chart. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: that would have been an investment in the future. That
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been an answer for two thousand twenty. Brian
Speaker 1: Goodkin's know what he was doing. He did go and
Speaker 1: get Devin Funch just to help out, to to be
Speaker 1: able to round that room out, give them some depth.
Speaker 1: When that didn't work out, though, he didn't panic. He
Speaker 1: stuck with what they already had and they've built the
Speaker 1: offense around it. Now, you hope for the Packer's sake
Speaker 1: that Davante Adams the hamstring injury isn't a big thing
Speaker 1: going forward. Matt Laflour kind of played it off on
Speaker 1: Monday that it was something a decision that was made
Speaker 1: because of the way the offense was producing and the
Speaker 1: fact the Packers were in the driver's seat. Maybe things
Speaker 1: would have been a little bit differently if that was
Speaker 1: a tightly contested game. But if Adams is fine and
Speaker 1: you have Aaron Jones going off the way he's going
Speaker 1: off right now, this offense has plenty of playmakers, there's
Speaker 1: not an issue with there with that. Well, on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, it was a very interesting
Speaker 1: game because the Packers defense got off to about as
Speaker 1: slow a start as you could. The Lions took the
Speaker 1: ball down the field on their first two possessions seemingly
Speaker 1: with ease, scored two touchdowns. As we said before, they
Speaker 1: were up fourteen to three at to one quarter, But
Speaker 1: then the Packers defense clamped down a bit. The Lions
Speaker 1: only scored seven more points over the final three quarters
Speaker 1: of the game. They had you know, probably you know
Speaker 1: around thirty five of their offensive yards just in the
Speaker 1: first quarter, so things really changed. And as we saw
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, this defense also made one of those game
Speaker 1: changing type of plays, and this time it was with
Speaker 1: the Lions backed up near their goal line. Very first
Speaker 1: play of the possession, Channon Sullivan jumps a quick out
Speaker 1: route to Danny Amendola, intercepts the pass and sort of
Speaker 1: slides or dives across the goal line. It goes as
Speaker 1: a seven yard interception return for a touchdown. But this
Speaker 1: defense west The Packers have eighty five points through two games.
Speaker 1: The defense has accounted for nine of them. There's something
Speaker 1: to be said for that. There definitely is Mike and
Speaker 1: one thing, you know, as many yards as the Packers
Speaker 1: ended up giving up in the second half against Minnesota
Speaker 1: and also the first two drives against the Lions, but
Speaker 1: the one thing they've done really well as they played
Speaker 1: disciplined football for the most part. You saw how you know,
Speaker 1: really penalties did the Detroit Lions in in this game.
Speaker 1: It's one of the things that backed him up. Also
Speaker 1: with a couple coffin corner punts there from j K.
Speaker 1: Scott being able to really win the field position battle
Speaker 1: in the second half, But once they were in those predicaments,
Speaker 1: the Packers defense took advantage of it. I thought Rashawn
Speaker 1: Gary being able to avoid the cut block on Adrian
Speaker 1: Peterson and still put pressure on Matthew Stafford that play
Speaker 1: might be differently, might have played out differently if he
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to pull that ball down and Gary
Speaker 1: went to the ground instead, it gets forced out. Sullivan
Speaker 1: makes a great play on the ball, game changing moment
Speaker 1: there down the stretch. After being having a really difficult
Speaker 1: time closing out the Vikings, the Packers defense did just
Speaker 1: that in this game. And they did it with their
Speaker 1: their starting defense, in their backup defense. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was incredible the way that that fourth quarter played out.
Speaker 1: Rashawn Gary getting a sack right and backs them up
Speaker 1: forces of three and out. Next possession, they get a
Speaker 1: sack from Vernon Scott and I think might have been
Speaker 1: his first defensive snap in the NFL. You have you
Speaker 1: have Garry also contribute there with Preston Smith, and then
Speaker 1: let's be honest, mean, Josh Jackson made a nice play
Speaker 1: down the sideline too, in single coverage in what could
Speaker 1: have potentially been a home run type ball. They closed
Speaker 1: this thing out the way you want to see them
Speaker 1: close it out. The big issue here is going to
Speaker 1: be the running defense here. If you don't have Kenny Clark.
Speaker 1: Right now, the Packers are thirtieth in the league when
Speaker 1: it comes to opposing rushing yards. You've got to get
Speaker 1: that down. You can't allow teams to start fast on
Speaker 1: the first and second down because that's when you're getting
Speaker 1: in your behind the eight ball on third down. You
Speaker 1: want to get those third and seven plus situations. That's
Speaker 1: when Mike Petton's defense is at its best. And when
Speaker 1: that happens, good things happened for this defense. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you've mentioned his name a couple of times already. Rare
Speaker 1: Shawn Gary. He was a force on Sunday against the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. And there it wasn't some big, huge statistical
Speaker 1: thing like you know what what Aaron Jones did on
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. Gary did have one
Speaker 1: and a half sex but as you mentioned the pressure
Speaker 1: that he got on the pick six played by Sullivan.
Speaker 1: You look at the defensive film and Gary is just
Speaker 1: a disruptor. He's he bothers the other team on almost
Speaker 1: every single play with with his effort, with his hustle,
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, with just the strength and power that
Speaker 1: he has against offensive tackles, he's showing that he's going
Speaker 1: to be a problem for opposing def for opposing offenses,
Speaker 1: excuse me. And that's good news for the Packers. When
Speaker 1: you have guys like the Smiths and like Jayar Alexander
Speaker 1: and Kevin King and Darnell Savage, Adrian NamUs, those other
Speaker 1: guys that that were a big part of this defense
Speaker 1: last year. They're all back and now they've got another
Speaker 1: piece in Rashaan Gary. They really do and sixty defensive
Speaker 1: snaps so far, Mike, he has six tackles, one and
Speaker 1: a half sacks, four quarterback hits. So let's look back
Speaker 1: to last season play twoto defensive snaps had three quarterback
Speaker 1: hits during those games. He's already surpassed it and basically
Speaker 1: a fourth of the amount of snaps that he received
Speaker 1: last season. He took his offseason seriously. And the other
Speaker 1: thing I really like is, okay, so you don't have
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark right now. That hurts the defense that that
Speaker 1: isn't good to not have your Pro Bowl defensive tackle
Speaker 1: out there. But they created that Bronco base package where
Speaker 1: they have two defensive tackles lining up as three texts,
Speaker 1: and you have Preston Smith and also Rashan Gary lining
Speaker 1: up on the edges, both solid stout run defenders. That
Speaker 1: allows Zadarius Smith to sort of be that roving fifth
Speaker 1: guy on the front. They were successful out of that package.
Speaker 1: Now they've gotten beat on it a couple of times too.
Speaker 1: But if you're not gonna have Kenny Clark, you're not
Speaker 1: going to be able to replace him in conventional ways.
Speaker 1: You have to do things differently. I like what I
Speaker 1: saw from that package, and I think as much as
Speaker 1: we talk about the dime defense, and that's when these
Speaker 1: you know, pass rushers really make their paycheck, but it's
Speaker 1: those early downs that I think the Packers have a
Speaker 1: strength there with these outside linebackers. They can take advantage
Speaker 1: of that. And for as long as they're gonna be
Speaker 1: missing Kenny Clark, if you have another option that you
Speaker 1: can lean on as far as defending the run, that's
Speaker 1: gonna go a long way and being able to sustain
Speaker 1: this defense for the long run and not just show
Speaker 1: that you're just a base nickel dime defense that you
Speaker 1: can do different variations to really take advantage of potential mismatches. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: certainly through two games, defensive coordinator Mike Petton has filmed
Speaker 1: the show of his guys of Hey, this is where
Speaker 1: we're in command, where we're dictating to the offense, and
Speaker 1: then hey, this is where we're kind of getting it
Speaker 1: handed to us a little bit, and these are the
Speaker 1: things we've got to shore up. So the Packers defense, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's been up and down. I think it can
Speaker 1: be a little bit unsettling to see that. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, with the way this Packers
Speaker 1: offense is going, the Packers defense is going to have
Speaker 1: some time to to work out their issues here. Well,
Speaker 1: Green Bay is two and oh after two games. One
Speaker 1: of five teams in the NFC actually West that are
Speaker 1: two and oh. Chicago Bears are tied with the Packers
Speaker 1: atop the NFC North at two and oh, and then
Speaker 1: three teams in the NFC West, the Cardinals, the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: and the Rams, not the defending NFC champion San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty Niners, but those other three teams in the NFC
Speaker 1: West are all too and oh. Just your thoughts that
Speaker 1: where things stand right now through two weeks. Well, one
Speaker 1: thing is I'm if I'm an NFL team, I'm glad
Speaker 1: I don't play in the West right now. That is
Speaker 1: that is a powerhouse division, and I think the the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals are really going to surprise some people. I
Speaker 1: was talking about that last week as we were going
Speaker 1: into the beginning slate of games here. But the one
Speaker 1: thing I like about Green Bay is that for the
Speaker 1: second straight year, you start off two and o in
Speaker 1: your division, and it also coincides up being too and
Speaker 1: no overall. That went a long way last year under
Speaker 1: the thirteen and three regular season. If you pick up
Speaker 1: these wins early in the division, good things are gonna
Speaker 1: happen by the end of the season. It's going to
Speaker 1: keep you not only in the hunt for your division title,
Speaker 1: but it's ultimately what's going to keep you up there
Speaker 1: with the only one uh first round by into the
Speaker 1: playoffs that that competition has just gotten incredibly heightened now
Speaker 1: with the number two seed now having to play a
Speaker 1: wild card game against the number seven seeds. So you
Speaker 1: have to be able to stay out in front of
Speaker 1: this race. It is a marathon, it's not a sprint.
Speaker 1: But we also know if you don't start fast enough,
Speaker 1: it's tough to make up that ground over twenty point
Speaker 1: two miles. I know you're a big runner, Mic, so
Speaker 1: obviously you understand that reference. But no, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is the way it's gonna go. There's going to be
Speaker 1: tough matchups. As we talked about last week. There are
Speaker 1: going to be a tough slate of games here, some
Speaker 1: really good quarterbacks coming up on the Packers schedule. But
Speaker 1: the more wins that you pick up here in September,
Speaker 1: the easier your job gets throughout the course of the
Speaker 1: long season. Well, interestingly, one of the teams in the
Speaker 1: NFC that is not to and Oh is the New
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints, the Packers opponent here at the end of
Speaker 1: this week, coming up on Sunday Night Football. And I
Speaker 1: was I was astonished west when I heard during the
Speaker 1: Monday night football broadcast when the Saints lost to the
Speaker 1: Raiders to to drop to one and one, that the
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints have not been to and Oh to
Speaker 1: start a season since. That kind of blew me away
Speaker 1: in a sense, because I'll be honest, nineteen, I think
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints have been one of the best
Speaker 1: teams in football and probably the best team over that
Speaker 1: three year stretch in the NFC. Yet they don't have
Speaker 1: an appearance in the Super Bowl to show for it.
Speaker 1: They don't have an NFC titled to show for it.
Speaker 1: And the Saints are sort of right where they always are.
Speaker 1: I guess they're one on one. They're figuring things out
Speaker 1: early in the season. I still think this is going
Speaker 1: to be an incredibly dangerous, dangerous team in the NFC.
Speaker 1: It should be a whale of a game Sunday night
Speaker 1: down in New Orleans. Yeah, I mean, they're gonna it
Speaker 1: hurts them that they're not able to have the fans there,
Speaker 1: that that is such a huge advantage for them. I
Speaker 1: think Aaron Rodgers is going to be able to take
Speaker 1: advantage of that, you know, potentially with the snap counts
Speaker 1: and and whatnot. But I'll say this, I mean, certainly
Speaker 1: they were playing on the road. But one thing that
Speaker 1: was kind of struck me about that game against Vegas
Speaker 1: is that so we'd even saying that Vegas. Uh. What
Speaker 1: struck me about that game is that Drew Brees wasn't
Speaker 1: going off with that quick one to second clock that
Speaker 1: he typically goes with. He was holding out of the
Speaker 1: ball a little bit longer, and that there was some
Speaker 1: issues downfield. Now, when you don't have Michael Thomas, certainly
Speaker 1: that's changes the structure of your offense, but he was
Speaker 1: having to really rely heavily on Elvin Kamara. Now we
Speaker 1: got to see what happens with Thomas this week. There's
Speaker 1: a long stretch to go from when we're taping this
Speaker 1: on Tuesday to when they play on Sunday night. But
Speaker 1: it's just he's such a game changer that I think
Speaker 1: it really structurally just changes their offense when he's not
Speaker 1: out there. So for Drew Brees seeing a game like that,
Speaker 1: a performance like that, up and down throughout, and then
Speaker 1: certainly the Raiders being able to close it out in
Speaker 1: the end, it does raise some questions. But the Packers
Speaker 1: have seen him so often and the way he plays quarterback,
Speaker 1: the way Philip Rivers plays quarterback. It's given this defense
Speaker 1: even before Mike Petton a lot of fits in the past.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a huge challenge and I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're gonna be hungry getting back on their home turf,
Speaker 1: trying to bounce back from that loss. Well, I think
Speaker 1: the injury news, everybody is going to be paying attention
Speaker 1: to this week the number one receivers for both teams,
Speaker 1: Davante Adams with the hamstring, Michael Thomas from the Saints
Speaker 1: with the ankle injury. It is an ankle, right, correct, Okay,
Speaker 1: so um yeah, that's what we're gonna be paying attention
Speaker 1: to between now and kick off on Sunday night, and
Speaker 1: we will see if these two high powered offenses are
Speaker 1: at full strength. But with that, we will call it
Speaker 1: a wrap on this edition of Packer's Own Script and
Speaker 1: be sure to follow all of our coverage of the
Speaker 1: team on packers dot com. For Wes, I am Mike.
Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in everybody. We'll see you next time.