WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Jemele Hill Part 1 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.040 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:06.600 Yo, What's Up? 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:09.760 This is fon Tigelow from Team Supreme. We all celebrating 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:12.879 Black History Month of QLs and releasing new weekly interviews 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.200 with some incredible guests from film and music. In the meantime, 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.400 we've selected some special classic episodes as well, which we 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.439 run on Mondays. This classic two part of CURLSS is 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:25.800 from September twenty twenty, and it is with the incredible 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:27.560 my homie, my friend. 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:28.040 Jamail Hill. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.800 Jamail is not only someone to call a friend, she's 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.360 one of the most important voices in sports, where she 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.040 always leaves in art, politics and social. 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:37.479 Issues and we love her for it. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.159 In part one, Jamail joined amyr like Eas, Steve and 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.440 I to talk TV, movies and life. Sometimes these are 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.680 the best discussions on QLSS and we just talk on 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.480 our shit. It's also a little time capsule back three 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:49.480 and a half years ago. 0:00:49.920 --> 0:01:09.440 Enjoy all Right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to what I 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:14.240 think is guaranteed to be a highly interesting episode of 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.759 Plus Love Supreme. You might as well consider this ease 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:22.039 dropping in on a conversation already in progress, just to 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.840 give you, guys a preface. We practically started this episode 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.679 about five to six hours ago on the QLs chat 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:35.520 when Laia has discovered the fonte Salmon and Smoothies, I'd say, Salmon, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.280 Salmon and Smoothies episode yes, of our of our guests, 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.920 of our podcast, of which what ensued is at least 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:49.320 on my end inn all day research excursion on the 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.240 Bad Boy trilogy. And I'm talking about the movie, not 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.160 the label, which then led me into a Tyler Perry 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.800 Rabbit Bull, which is old another episode. Anyway, give me 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:01.640 just give you guys a heads up. We might not 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.640 even get to a real like Jamail Hill question to 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.520 like forty six minutes forty six minutes into the episode. Anyway, 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.560 if you're still listening by this point, you know me. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.880 You know Laia Fontigelow Sugar Steve shout out to Only Bill, 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:20.639 who's not here right now. If he's onst he's he's 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.000 only Bill. He might as well be Only Bill, our 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.800 guest has been a big deal for over a decade. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.080 If you haven't caught up right now in the overpopulated, 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.760 toxic male atmosphere world of ESPN, she came to our 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:40.720 attention now as a member of the beloved sports talk 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.040 show His and Her on ESPN two with Michael Smith. 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:48.080 What Mike Uh? Soon following being a staple on Sports Center, 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.760 a thinker and uh, even as a non sports guy, 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.080 hear me right now, Steve, I'm not doing okay. Even 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.799 as a non sports guy, I can attest that her 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:00.520 Mike had a rather run DMC chemistry and they're on 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:05.639 screen banter. Uh. And then twenty sixteen came and need 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:09.240 I say more, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to QLs 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.720 UH from the Atlantic and my current favorite podcast, Jamil 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.160 Hill is Unbothered. Also my other other bens, my other 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:21.760 favorite one which is Way down the Hole, which is 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:26.079 a wire recap show with Van Lathan, which is probably 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.760 the only place where you hear black people speak on 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:33.120 the wire. I only no, I'm saying, anytime I hear 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.120 about the wire being broken down, it's always by white people. 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.080 So much to say, ladies and gentlemen, I can't wait 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:41.880 for this efficition, effication. 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.760 Yeah, I'll say you just made a new word, made 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:45.200 new word. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:50.120 Yes, this efication. Please welcome Jamil Hill. 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:55.560 To thank you, Hello, old friend, and what up, old friend? 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.320 This is This is a great moment for me to 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.640 be on with with two musical legends. And and I'm 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.880 glad you you provided me this space because me and 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:07.559 Tigiloa can keep arguing. 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:11.600 About dude, we gotta get Let me keep arguing it. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.919 I watched after after that initial chat, I sat in 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.680 my office all day watching. I recapped Bad Boys Too. 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.560 Still don't like it. No, I'm shocked that it. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:24.080 Was not good. 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.920 I'm just not good. Just I'm shocked that's your favorite. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:31.720 I don't get it. I don't get it. 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.920 And here's the thing. This is what has me sort 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:39.600 of not ruffled. But I see Lia's point, like, is 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.679 are you still standing on that hill that Bad Boys 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:43.440 woman's classic. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.400 I'm standing on the hill that nobody. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.840 We should let people know that Fonte had never seen 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:50.599 part one and part two until. 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.680 As he's about to watch three. And I do not. 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.480 Think that you should compare something that happened fifteen to 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.200 twenty years ago to a current installation. That's what we 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.800 agree on. And yeah, it doesn't yes because of the time, Yes, 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:02.480 I agree that. 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.760 But I can say that you were genuinely perplexed that 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:09.800 Fante and I didn't see Bad Boys one as classic. 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:10.960 Well, let me be clear. 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.800 I think it's I think Bad Boys One is classic, 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.479 But as I was in the group Chess, I think 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.400 classic right exactly. Classic has more to do with time, place, era, 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.520 Like there's a lot of things that make something a classic. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.279 I didn't think it was a good movie, but it 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.440 was a classic for what it stood for. That was 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.640 like Will and Martin coming together. Like it was what 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.200 it stood for and what it represented made it a 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:36.320 classic moment. 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.240 I will not say it was a good movie. 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.040 Its classic era. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:42.200 Nigga. 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:42.960 I was there. 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:44.279 I didn't have to see the ship. 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:45.320 What you talking about. 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.360 I saw the movie. I lived there. I saw what 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.000 it was. I saw it's these two niggas on film. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.440 I know what it was. I was in the era. 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.920 I was outside. I just went to the theater. 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.760 What I'm saying is is that, like, are you saying 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.880 that had Fonte been of age in nineteen ninety four 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.200 and seeing it on its first run, that he would 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.960 have thought Bad Boys One was a classical film. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.720 Yes, it's like a millennial watching Do the Right Thing 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:13.520 on HBO. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:16.960 Nah, that's not true because I saw my show my 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.520 sons do the Right Thing like a couple, and they 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:20.160 love that shit. 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:21.480 Hell yeah. 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.160 Well, but you know what it is certain movies that 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:28.200 don't necessarily age well, even though that they're classics, right, 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.200 I mean I saw Bad Boy when you know, right 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.000 in that time in space, and so I totally understand 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:35.760 why it's a classic movie. 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:37.520 But there's other shit that we have. 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.520 It just don't age well. And like I think this 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.599 about Scarface. I think Scarface is one of the most 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.440 overrated movies I've ever seen. Like that movie does not 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.680 hold up. It's cheesy, it's corny. I'm shocked that you 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.720 have all these brand new racers. It's definitely racist. Right, 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:53.479 So I'm. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.440 Shocking you saw two times, didn't you. 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.640 Yeah, all right, I watch. 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.560 It, Yeah, I watch it. Whatever's on. I mean, I'm 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:00.600 not gonna learn from it. 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.640 But you have al Pacino, you have f Murray Abraham, 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.720 you have all these wonderful actors in this movie that 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.279 just doesn't hold up. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:10.200 It just looks. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.560 I mean, I've never been on that bandwagon that this 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.760 movie was one of the greatest ever. Like I think 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:17.760 to even put it in the same sentence as like 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.239 a Godfather Godfather too, is just like disgustingly bad. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.040 Like that's just it ain't even in the same category 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:28.440 as Good Fellas to me, none of that. 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:32.640 You do understand why that film at sentimental meaning though, 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:37.200 right Scarf? Often do we get to see someone stick 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.160 it to the man, right. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:40.840 It's about it's a rags to riches story. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:41.600 The Cuban. 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:45.520 It's the Cuban Superfly, Yes, basically like that. And that's 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.240 another word that doesn't age that well. 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.440 I have not seen Superfly yet, is it worth I'm 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:56.560 glad you wait if nothing, I haven't seen the original super. 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.440 I'm telling you you you don't want to choke somebody 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.080 out on the new and like the New one, you were, 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:02.240 but like they didn't see that one. 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.040 The new one. Man they got what's his name? Damn? 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:06.120 I Trevor Jackson. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:10.400 I think Jackson from Yeah, from the Hazing movie, from 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.120 the movie. 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.480 Right, they got Trevor Jackson with a with a dope 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.160 ass Hawaiian silky And it's just like Superfly has advanced. 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.400 It's crazy because Superfly has advanced from you know how 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:23.440 I used to get his money. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.400 This dude now is in bitcoin. 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:29.480 We like, look, Harriet Tubman didn't point to the North 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.920 Star for this motherfucker to be into bitcoin, Like that's 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:32.400 the new wave. 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:33.959 I'm like, this, what were doing? 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.080 He got a whole bitcoin electronic operation. 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.960 I was like, I'll be damn, like, I just I can't. 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:42.520 I can't. 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:43.840 They had to bring it. They had to bring it 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.079 to the new era, Like the new era is. 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.800 You know, a crypto currency don't go together. 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.040 I'm sorry, I agree, but I mean I saluted for 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:53.360 trying to bring it to twenty twenty. 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.240 You know a movie I watched the night I saw on. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.240 The group chat that did not age well for me 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:01.080 at all, Like Beverly Hills Cop is fucking Coppaganda. 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.640 Dude, Like, I'm looking at this and it's and it's 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:04.960 you know what I mean, it's Eddie Murphy and I 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:06.280 mean we love Eddie always. 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.520 I mean, but I'm just like, Yo, this nig is 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.680 just a scammer that just goes around line to people 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.559 like every movie, like that's all it is, like he 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.920 lining to get into this building and he's lining, and 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.960 I'm like, yo, this is nah, this was not right. 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.640 I am bound by Detroit and it's not to talk 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.920 shit about that movie even though I understand what you're saying, 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:26.720 because if you in the movie. He wore a T 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.120 shirt from Mumford High School, which is my high school 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:29.400 where I. 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:30.360 Went to went to school. 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:34.200 Ass oh wow, yeah, because Jerry Bruckenheimer Actually he went 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.520 to my high school as well. He's from Detroit, which 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.440 is how the Lion's jacket wound up on Axel Foley 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.280 and the Muffer High School t shirt. 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.520 Look trivia that you can literally do nothing with. So 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:44.120 just take it on. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:50.000 Now. If we live for useless information on this show, 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.760 we lived for that. Yeah. I was gonna say that 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:59.840 already today. I've had enough research with that. I'm almost bored. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:06.240 Line afraid to ask Fante his opinion. I want to 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.640 wait till she least come on this show. Okay, no, no, no, no, no. 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.240 On on Lovecraft Country love Craft County. 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.120 Oh okay, I haven't watched it yet, all right, yo. 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.320 I really liked it, and I'm not I love it. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.360 I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know what 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.240 it was. I was just like, all right, see what 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.680 it is, yo, I fuck with love Craft. I'll see 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.000 where it goes, you know what I mean. But they 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:27.760 got me on the first episode and that and those 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.400 are the hardest ones. The pilots is like the hardest episode. Yeah, 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:32.199 I'm fucking with it. 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.000 And I watched it in real time, and it is 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.280 weird because we were like texting each other as it 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.120 was happening, and she's being like really quiet about it, 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:47.920 and I'm talking about Journey Journey Smalllett and yeah, like 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:52.760 I without spoiler a learning it's it's I feel I 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:56.720 trust that this will be excellent. I mean, the pilot 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.560 is awesome. Yeah, I'll say I like it. So this 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:04.800 will probably be the first time that I'm gonna follow 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:09.920 a television series in real time since The Wire. Yeah, 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.400 I'm a guy that will let the entire thing go 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.920 on so I can just have all the episodes. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.960 At That's what I'm doing with I may destroy you, 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:17.840 That's what I'm doing. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:18.520 Yeah, that's what I. 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:20.240 Need. 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.000 I need to get on because I just hear too 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:23.160 many great things about it. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.439 Yeah, everybody's saying it's it's it's great, it's worth it's 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.120 worth getting into, or none of us has seen it yet. 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.080 No, No, all the feedback I heard from it from 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.800 like my movie and TV homies that really you know, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.840 they like nah that they say it's really good. 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:37.720 Can I just tell y'all? 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.280 I mean, and I want to stay with Jamel to 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.600 like Sundays No Offense, but black women are killing it, 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:48.080 like Lena waf Misha Green Katoy from Pea Valley. 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:49.600 Y y'all on Pea Valley. 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.360 I still I ain't watched that yet. 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.040 Hit me, do that? Hit me? Do that? 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:54.400 Hit me? 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:54.719 Do that. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:56.280 It's a strip club joint. 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:00.319 Yeah, yeah, it's about the Yeah, it's about Mississippi strip club. 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.040 And it's called pe Valley, which you know what the 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:05.839 P stands for, Yes, Pussy Valley. 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:11.880 That's the name, right, So it is season that's right. 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:19.360 So women against Patriarchy. That's what I told my grandma stood. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.520 But it's it's a it's something that you you don't 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.600 see often. It's like the way that it's shot, great 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.520 strong characters. I mean again, you know somebody tells you 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.840 it's a drop. It's a drama about the Mississippi strip club. 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.400 You're like, ship, I'm in, Like why would I not 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:36.640 be in? 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:37.000 On that? 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:38.720 Right? 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.880 Written by a wonderful writer that I've gotten a chance 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.200 to know, Patrick Ian Polk and Autsi as you mentioned, 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.199 Katy Hall like it's it's it's like that like me, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.880 Me and the Hubbie. We three episodes in. I think 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.920 it's been about six episodes, but we really enjoyed. Uncle 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:54.280 Clifford is my dog, that's all. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:58.000 It's interesting. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.199 I want to prepare people who haven't seen Pee balle Okay, 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.920 this is a highly inclusive show where you'll see all 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.000 kinds of sex and I love and Jamel. It's funny 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.040 because they'll show Uncle Clifford, who is a let's not 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:11.679 put a label. No, no, I know, what's the I'm 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.040 trying to think of what would be the best way, 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.760 Like he's clearly gay's. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.360 Fluid or he's fluid. 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.600 I think he I mean, he's very gay, but he 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:21.240 also wears beautiful wigs. 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:22.480 Sometimes he may be dressed up. 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:27.200 From like Frida Callo and he runs the club, Thank 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:27.800 you babe. 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.400 He is gender fluid, right, yeah. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.120 Yeah, that's probably the best way to put definitely gay, 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:34.320 but he's gender fluid. 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:34.640 Yeah. 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:35.880 For sure. They play with you a. 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.960 Little bit because you'll see Uncle Clifford get his thinging, 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.199 but you'll also self cut to like the stripper doing 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:40.600 her thing too. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.160 They're trying to satisfy everybody. 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:46.920 Yes, time out. Isaiah Washington's in this. 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:49.839 Yeah, so that's the part way I know, I know 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.320 that's the part that kind of You're like, hold up, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.440 because I didn't know he was in this series until 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.680 we got to the episode where he popped up because 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.559 he's the mayor of this little little bitty town or whatever, 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:01.560 and I was like, oh, ship is that? 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.240 I mean, I hear your reaction quest because I thought. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.920 I'm amazed that he got another shot. Like I know, 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.640 I'm like word they let him back word up? 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:13.800 Yeah, And then the fact that they let him back 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.720 on what is clearly a black show is ironic in itself, 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.640 considering everything out his mouth is so fucking anti black 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.440 that it's OK. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.080 I haven't followed. I don't, I haven't followed. I said, 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:24.760 what's this deal? 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.880 Yo, man e might as well join yea. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:32.320 Yeah, he probably worse than yea though, because what are 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:36.160 you saying? No, I mean he's definitely one of I 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.760 mean he's a he's a MAGA supporter, like he's a 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:39.960 he's a Trump dude. 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.160 And it's just like, man, I don't know what happened 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.680 to you? So he broke Yeah? 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.680 So he is, I mean, he ain't got he okay 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:49.680 on on the on the levels of what is it 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:58.120 one to Terry Crews, He's not like but yeah, they 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.120 would definitely welcome at the Publican national convention. 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.440 Wow, disappointed him. I would think he'd be more self 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:05.840 educated than Tearing, So. 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:10.800 Yeah, you would think, but surprisingly he isn't, or not 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.720 so surprisingly he isn't. So anyway, if you get it 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.760 over that part of it, it's still a wonderfully done 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.680 series worth your time, absolutely, as you know. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:19.960 That's the thing about this pandemic. 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.360 It's like you just realized, and not that I didn't 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.400 know this before, but just how much content is out there. 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.920 I mean, it is almost possible to keep up. Like 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.200 I still haven't seen little fires everywhere. Like I'm still 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.240 trying to really good everybody. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:34.080 My wife watched that. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.720 I watched it though, yeah, Washington and. 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.520 Pot But I'm going to finish. 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.000 That, yeah, the pilot. 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.800 So I find myself feeling, you know, feeling like constantly behind. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.160 And yet you know, they're still old favorites that I'm 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.280 not gonna come up off the old favorites to make 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:53.120 room for the new stuff. 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:53.960 So I just kind of have to. 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.400 I have the budget, my TV time better, is what 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.520 I'm saying, you know, because like Monday Nights is below 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.000 deck medic to Radiant. 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.920 Tuesday's million dollars at your episode? 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.880 Now? Can we can we talk about listen? 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.280 Me and me and the boyfriend over here. We're rather addicted. 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.280 It can be a new episode coming on or an 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:13.920 old episode of me or I don't know. And Steve, 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:15.200 I don't know if you'all are up on a below 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:16.359 Deck Steve. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:20.080 From watch Stevie, I haven't seen any of the bad Boys. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:27.360 Wave man, but uh yeah right now, I don't watch 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.640 like what I'm watching Quantico right now. 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.680 There was a Quantica, I remember it, but I never 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:33.800 wat Quantico. 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:39.160 What's his name's wife? Yeah, Jonas brother, Uh, what's the name? 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.560 I don't know. I don't know that their names, but 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.160 it puts me to sleep real quick. 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:47.720 Man. That's you need to get with Below Deck because 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.000 Below Deck is awesome and amazing. It follows different crews 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.280 depending on what part of the world they're in, and 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.440 it's like a reality show based on the crew and 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:59.320 they're guests that come on for chartered chartered, uh chartered, 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.360 both rides and needles to say one day, no, you 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.399 gotta say it's a charter yacht. Yeah you can't unders 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:09.719 you're right, it's shot and one Saturday afternoon, to the 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.200 delight of me and my my sweet team. We were like, yo, 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.720 black people, Yo, that's jamil yo. 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:19.119 I got it in. 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.240 So I guess they'll give you the bones of what 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.720 happened is, as she said, below deck is a reality show. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.119 You know, they follow they put you in the location. 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.879 It was Thailand, so this is uh, this was a 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.760 pre bachelorette party event. 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.280 So me, five of the my homegirls win. 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.320 So it's six of us, six black women on a 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:43.560 yacht in Thailand, and you know, people like you know, 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.119 you're in that environment where you're getting everything is catered 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:47.440 to you. 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.560 Uh, the great food, all the liquor you could possibly 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:51.800 want it. 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:53.959 So you're on this yacht for three days and they 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.919 film you and really the show is mostly about the 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.480 crew that services the yacht, but of course, you know, 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.240 guests like myself, we we get in on the entertainment. 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.440 So goot of mine is I was drunk as fuck 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:09.040 for like literally three straight days. It's pretty much what happened. 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.720 In fact, so drunk that at one point we were 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:14.800 having dinner one night and I just had to tap 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.000 out and I just like I tried to whisper to 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:18.880 my girl that I was tapping out, but of course, 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:19.920 you know, I got a mic on me. 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:22.520 Uh and they showing the cameras just showing me. 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.680 It had just focused on me and I am literally 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:29.080 at this dinner table about to pass out in my food. Yeah, no, 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.280 it was. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:32.360 It was the drunk items. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.000 But I was drunk as fun because we have been 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.320 drinking since the moment we got up, and you know, 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:41.080 because we all vacation, so we were like getting it in. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.920 But as far as much as they showed, I got 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:45.680 to be honest, I'm thankful for all the shit they 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:50.439 didn't show you. I was like, oh, okay, like they 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.440 just showed when my girl fell off the jet ski 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:54.399 when I floated out to see you and they had 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:55.800 to come get me, like they did show none of that. 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:57.080 I was like, thank god, Oh. 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:58.520 My goodness, wow yo. 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.080 Wait below questions though, like how many people are actually 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:03.320 on that ship because they only. 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.720 High like maybe like six of the cute crew members, right. 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:08.960 And then I also wanted to ask you about that 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:10.640 tip at the end, because that's I was like, oh, 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:14.040 we was praying this all black women. Please, Well now 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.080 you okay. So it's a lot of money, Yeah, it 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:17.800 is a lot of money. 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:19.119 I mean the crew. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.119 There's a lot bigger crew than what you see on 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.480 the show. They of course focus on the deck hands. 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.480 They also focus on the captain and the interior crew, 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:29.520 but there's like a whole there's like a bunch of engineers, 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:31.680 like you know, this is a this is a mega yacht, 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.479 so they have to have like a really full staff, 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.760 and so you you definitely see them. But all the 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.439 drama that's going on with the crew, like I watched, 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.080 having watched the whole season, now I understand some little 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.560 things that I felt but you don't necessarily see because 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:47.000 the old. 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:48.320 Girl is being rude to you, but you didn't know 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:49.160 that she's just the bitch. 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:51.000 Well, I knew she was just a bitch because I 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.879 had watched the previous seasons of Below Deck, so I 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.879 knew how she got down. But I understand the attitude 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:58.679 I got when we got there. It wasn't a figment 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.280 of my imagination because they had just had a big 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.320 blow up in the last charter and like things were 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.640 going left on that but of course you know, they 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.320 blew that up, and they made that kind of an 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:09.960 anchor of what the episode was about. 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:11.240 But it really wasn't that bad. 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.080 It's like, we said that to her, and you know, 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.600 she had her commentary, which I didn't know until I 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:18.520 saw the episode that she called me all them names. 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.640 Because I'm like, believe me when I tell you. Had 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.920 I known that, we might have had a different conversation then. 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:26.399 Oh but we her and I were cool. I mean 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.679 the day that my episode aired on Bravo, her and 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:31.800 I were texting that day like we're still cool. Like 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.040 it's no beef whatsoever. I think it was just like 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.120 a misunderstanding that. Of course, not surprisingly that Reality TV 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.640 blew up the other part about the tip. So one 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.520 of the big moments in the show is there's a 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:44.879 tip reveal at the end, and this is where. 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.119 You figure out like, all right, who really got some 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:47.840 money over here? 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.920 Oh here, we got to understand it's like what it's 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:53.880 like seven people that got to be tipped out, right, 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:58.480 like seven to eight people? Yeah, so you mean leaving money? Yes, 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.000 like a tip. So this you're getting the yacht. The 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:02.840 way it works is you're getting the yacht at a 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.640 very discounted rate. Okay, not like what it normally would 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.680 cost to be on a super yacht or mega yacht. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:10.399 So you're getting the yacht at a discounted rate, and 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.520 you know that they fly you out there, they put 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.240 you up in a hotel the night before. In our case, 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:17.960 we wanted to spend some time in Thailand, so me 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:19.640 and my girls have been out there for a good 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.000 four or five days before we even got to the charter, 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:24.320 So we have been kicking in the Thailand from Thailand 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:27.480 for a little bit. So anyway, you know, watching the show, 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.080 what's considered a good tip and what's considered just an 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:33.320 okay tip, and what's considered a great tip. Anything below 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:37.199 twenty grand is a shitty tip. Anything below twenty Like 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.439 if you're like, like when you should see their faces 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.200 when they get like fifteen or sixteen or whatever. They're 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:45.000 just like, what that's it? Because they're going by what 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.760 is the cost of it? What is the normal cost? 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.640 What it is for this hot that you're getting discounted already, 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:54.000 So my goal was like we going twenty and up, 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:56.400 you know, and then even the night before the show, 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.040 what happens is that there's a there's a base fifteen 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.480 thousand dollars tip built in col You tell us truth, 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.199 I'm fifteen thousand dollars built in, so you know, if 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:08.200 somebody just gives fifteen or they give seventeen they really 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:10.440 hated their service, or the cheapest. Fuck, it's like one 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:13.000 of the two, right because like if they give you 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:15.560 if the starting point is fifteen and the producers hit 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:19.439 you the night before that, you're leaving the charter and 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:21.520 they say, would you like to leave an additional tip? 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:23.359 Because they, you know, they bring the cash for you. 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:25.919 So it's not like people don't just magically have like 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.880 twenty grand and cash like they you know, you've worked 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:33.800 out that arrangement beforehand, so I knew minimum we were 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:35.760 gonna leave twenty grand, So that's what we left like 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:38.920 we left twenty because we did really like the service 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:41.439 and we thought we had a great time. And so 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:43.520 as you see from the episode, they were very happy 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.320 about our tip because they know what the base point is. 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:49.280 And then for us to be kick in another five 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:50.160 grand there it is. 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:54.280 Wait can I ask? So you're saying that the whole 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:59.720 premise of the show is how not hospitable, but how 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.440 your tipping action is? That's the whole goal of the show. 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:05.320 The whole premise of the show is to get you 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:08.560 and your friends, your homies, whatever, on this yacht. They 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:11.200 y'all all the alcohol that you want, all the food 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:13.480 that you want, because it's a chef that because before 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:15.720 you even step foot on the yacht, you are given 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:18.879 what they call preference sheets, so you fill out the 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:21.880 person who's the primary charter guests, the person who gets 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:25.160 to determine everything that is done there. In this case, 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:28.159 it was me. It's like, okay, so let's say I 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:32.400 hate ribs or I want I only want Chilean sea 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:34.520 bass for dinner, Like you put that on this sheet, 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:36.879 so they have all your preferences, what kind of snacks 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.600 you want, what kind of liquor you want, like everything 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:40.200 laid out. 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:43.320 The point is to combine people who. 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:45.680 They think will be a little extra with a crew 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:48.760 that's trying to work hard to get their tip, and 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:51.280 then alcohol and see what happens. 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:54.359 Yo. I would have loved to been a fly in 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:56.280 the room when this pitch was being made. 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.159 Yes, but it's brilliant though. I mean, the show is 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:02.320 like super successful and you. 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.600 Know what, Wait, Steve, are you getting any flashbacks about 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:10.720 this story? She's telling me and Steve are world fame 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:15.080 like all throughout maybe two thousand and five to two 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:19.400 thousand and nine, the dynamics between Steve and I. If 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:23.680 you don't know Jamillo, Steve has been my recording engineer 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:27.479 for the longest, for like the di'angelo stuff, the common stuff, 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:30.720 the roots stuff, like, oh, he's been my engineer. So 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:34.240 we would go to restaurants and usually, you know, I 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:37.080 would pay the bill, and I have a theory like 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:41.639 I'm one of those over compensatory nouveau reche people that 0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:46.320 has to like overdo the tipping because I have this 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:48.679 thing in my head about well, first of all, like 0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:51.680 they have expectations like they're not going to tip whatever. 0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.600 I've heard that before. But more than that, I just 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:57.040 if I like a restaurant, I don't want them tating 0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.840 with my foods. I make sure I leave a good tip. 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.720 So one time Steve insisted on leaving a good tip, 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:06.840 or leaving paying the bill and leaving a tip, and 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:10.760 I let him do it, and then somewhere in the car, 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.280 I said, wait a minute, I left my cell phone 0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:15.800 and snuck back in the restaurant just to see what 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:19.840 he left. And I didn't like it, so I like 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.720 put more on top of it, and man Steve was 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:26.240 right behind me. I knew you didn't trust what I left. 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.800 That's why I came back in there. Like literally, that's 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:34.520 been our whole dynamic. Steve doesn't trust my not trusting 0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:37.560 him tipping like that is our whole dynamic. 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:39.400 That sounds like a loving friendship. 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:40.440 It does. 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:44.680 And you use your stripper club standard for tipping, Okay, that's. 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:46.440 Just the strip what's the strip club standard? 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.399 Well, at this point, I mean in college it was 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:49.840 twenty so it got to be like twenty five to 0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:52.400 thirty percent at this point, right, So if you tip 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.159 in twenty five at the strip club, you gotta do that. 0:25:56.080 --> 0:26:02.720 There's different rules for cats like me. You gotta. Yes, 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.280 I leave more than what the bill is worth. 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:08.000 Yeah, I mean but some of it too though. 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:10.840 It's just that we know, especially like this is this 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:11.760 is black trauma. 0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:13.520 This is what I call black trauma. 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:16.880 That's why, Yes, this is black trauma, because not only 0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.280 are you famous, but like even if you weren't famous, 0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:21.679 It's like, I think a lot of us feel like 0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:24.680 we got to compensate for the stereotype that we don't tip, 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:25.720 and so I. 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.680 Gotta I gotta tip, well so that the black people 0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:33.520 to come after me, get treated treated correct. 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:38.600 Which Yeah, like one time we took James Poyser for 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:43.920 it's like thirtieth birthday to a club and they did 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:45.560 not come to our table at all. 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:48.440 You went to want on white strimp? 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:51.840 What else is left? What am I going to go 0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:53.160 to the left? 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:54.920 This is why you need to watch Pee Valley? Are 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:55.560 you kidding me? 0:26:55.640 --> 0:27:01.240 What else is left besides the white? 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:06.159 There was no no Philadelphia. There was no Vanity whatever 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:12.680 that name that Philly. And when I asked a girl 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:16.760 that worked there, I found out that Allan Iverson basically 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:22.480 ruined tipping in Philadelphia for like the entire city, like 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.320 anywhere that he frequents, he doesn't pay the bill, doesn't 0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:29.280 pay his tab, all that stuff. So they just assumed 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:32.199 that everyone is non professional. 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.160 Oh yeah, back in the day, a out of paper 0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:36.600 time you had to go to Fridays. 0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:38.680 Yeah, I was like, I heard Fridays it was a spot. 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:39.120 Yeah. 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:43.920 So wait, so I'm curious of the of the panel here. 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:45.960 What's the most money y'all? Haven't ever tricked off in 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:46.560 the strip club? 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:51.760 In the strip club money? I'm really. 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:58.280 Probably whatever? I mean, it gives me to spend I spend. 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:04.439 And by the way, I overtipped when that situation he's 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.560 talking about, I overtipped because I knew his mentality and 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.280 I tipped more than I ever tipped percentage wise on 0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:10.920 any break. 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:13.200 The over overtip. 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.320 Damn they ca come up that night. 0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:21.880 Oh yeah, yeah, answer the question what you were saying, 0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:26.000 like not like what you saying, we were talking about 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.200 most ever spent. I think for me, the thinking about it, 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.720 like I always treated strip clubs like a casino, So 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:34.920 I just go in with a set amount, and when 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.919 that amount is gone, I'm going so nicolots. 0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:38.720 Yeah for me. 0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:41.480 For me, it's probably like I think the most like 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.000 when I was with the Homies that we be on 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:46.240 tour and like I think, probably like two hundred dollars. 0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:51.280 Just what Like, I'm not, I'm not. 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:53.560 I'm just I. 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:57.720 Ain't even making it missed. Not ain't even Magic City numbers. 0:28:57.800 --> 0:28:57.960 Man. 0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:02.920 I didn't get a bitches, no promises. I came here 0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:05.239 and enjoyed myself. I'm just killing time before I had 0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:06.600 to go to the show. We used to go in. 0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:12.000 Like in Detroit, in Detroit downtown because we would play 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.240 at Saint Andy's and we would play at uh, we 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.000 would go to It was a spot used to be down. 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:18.120 I don't know if it's still there, haven't. 0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:23.280 It was a Bazookies, Yespkis it was. 0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:26.600 It was literally just a spot like we go sound check, 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:28.800 We go sound check. Is in Greek Town. 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:31.320 We go sound check and then we're like, all right, 0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:33.640 we got you know, two hours, two and a half hours. 0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:35.160 We won't want to go back to the hotel and 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:36.800 just see if I go into the tail, I'm gon 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:38.280 lay down and go to sleep, and this is gonna 0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:40.200 be all bad, So fuck it, Let's just. 0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:41.960 Go to Bazuki. So me and the boys just go 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:47.680 to Bazooki's and you know that's the name of the club, 0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:52.280 and two hundred dollars later getting to the show. 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:54.080 All right, daddy. 0:29:56.160 --> 0:30:05.280 With me? All right? So if I go to a 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:12.320 mainstream jawn and mainstream jowin is like a gentleman's club, 0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:14.320 I mean, you know, like if we're in Vegas or 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:20.960 something and it's like that they replace Yeah, yo, wait, 0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:26.080 I tell you about Spearmint Rhino Dog. Their their crab 0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:30.920 fries are the best thing on I know it's the 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:36.040 wrong thing to say about strip club. No, Well, one 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:40.440 night after show, we made a stop the Spirit Rhino. 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.680 They was, you know, like in whatever the Players club 0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:45.760 where it was like, oh, the tour bus is pulling up, 0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:49.000 the green light comes on, there's money time. No no, no, no, no, no, 0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:54.840 no no. We just want to order about twenty crab fries. 0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:59.320 And they looked at us like, huh, yes, I only 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:03.000 went there for the craft fries. If it's a mainstream John, 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:05.640 probably I'll stop it five. 0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:08.280 Five, geez, I'll stop it five. 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:15.120 However, okay, back in two thousand and four, you better 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:19.360 remember I went to cause the thing is is that 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:25.560 you haven't lived until you experienced a prime Atlanta strip club. 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:29.280 I agree, now right now, more bang for the bang 0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:31.680 for my buck is a spot called Follies. 0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.160 Oh yeah, everybody said they have the best wings in Atlanta. 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:39.520 Yeah, it's it's Follies is off the chain. There was 0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:43.320 a spot that I went to with Chris Robinson in 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:47.160 like two thousand and four. This is the first time 0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.760 I'm being introduced to the concept of make it rain. 0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:58.840 And Table number one is well known, well loved basketball player. 0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:06.240 Table number or two is upstart Atlanta rapper. That's kind 0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:09.200 of a household name now and then table number three 0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:13.320 was some other sports figure that I think is a 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:19.280 box or whatever, and to watch to watch them and 0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:23.280 to watch Chris givet commentary on the art of making 0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:26.120 it rain, Like I didn't realize that the whole point 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.280 of going to a strip club in Atlanta is too 0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:32.160 And this is a spot that had a bank inside 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:35.560 of the club. I didn't know that you can have 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:39.120 a bank inside of a club. So to watch these 0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:46.480 people wheel out money barrels, like money whatever, like they. 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:50.680 Get college book and for it tonight, yes, yo. 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:54.440 And I realized that the whole purpose of going to 0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:58.200 strip club isn't even to get a lap dance or 0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:00.680 any of those things. Like the women were non factor. 0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:04.560 It's about how long can you take this water cash 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:08.040 and make it stay in the air. And there's a 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:12.920 accounting clock. There's there's a clock to the last dollar drops, 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:15.800 and there's like people are trying to break the record. 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:19.400 I think Big Boy has the record. I think he 0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.720 made like one particular bill stay in the air for 0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:26.040 seventeen seconds, so people are trying to break that record. 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:27.920 I will watch this event in the Olympics. 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.520 I just want to Yeah, we get I think we 0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:34.520 can replace curling with this right here. Oh dude, curling 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:36.680 can get the fuck what was What. 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:41.720 Was even crazier was that sixty dollars fell in the 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:46.440 crest of my afro, my afro pick in the crest. Wow, 0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:48.760 the crest, well, you know, I kept the back, I 0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:50.840 kept my afro pick in the back of my head. 0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:55.480 So the dollars rolled down and just like in a 0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:59.120 nook and cranny, like sat inside there. I swear to 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.840 you I was about to remove it so I could 0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:04.280 put it on the floor. I wasn't going to steal it. Yo. 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:08.160 They was on me like no, and they'll say, we'll 0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:10.719 take that, And they just took the money out of 0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:11.280 my afro. 0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:13.640 The strippers did. The strippers did. 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:17.759 No, you're not allowed to touch none of that money, 0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:22.040 like you know, slippery, you know slippery a cheesecake factory 0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:24.880 floor is. I can't buy it right now because you 0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:29.600 know what I'm telling the truth factory and yes I have. 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.720 I don't know. We had carpet at the Gold Club. 0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.759 I'm sorry, No, I'm saying that that's how slippery the 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.160 floor was because there was nothing but money on the floor. Oh, 0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:42.399 I didn't get it. So the next time I went, 0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:46.080 I was like, well, I better represent So the most 0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:49.640 I ever tricked was I was feeling myself that night. 0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.160 I brought ten there, but I was also with like 0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:54.480 I I was with fifteen people. 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:56.920 Oh okay, you got to balances out. 0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.800 Yeah, no, I mean it's like for me, me and 0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:02.520 my homegirls, we look at the strip club as liberation. 0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:05.879 So when we go, you know, because one the strip 0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:07.680 club has become a really good place for women to 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.640 go because we know there are other obviously very naked 0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:12.920 women in there, we're unlikely to be bothered. 0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:14.920 We can hear good music, and we can get good food. 0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:18.440 So it checks the Bengo cars if you really want 0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:20.839 just a night out of which your girls are just unadulterated, 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.160 pure ignorant ass fun. And we wind up almost always 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:28.160 befriending all the strippers like we have the hottest booth, 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:30.080 Like if you go there with a woman trusts me 0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:36.400 or women like, we will have the hottest booth. So 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.480 I've had some times in the strip club that what 0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:42.279 ruined me is one of the first times I really 0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:46.080 went to the strip club. I went with a professional 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:49.920 athlete some of his friends, and they one of them 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:52.399 handed me a stack of tens to make it rain, 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:54.160 and they showed me how to make it rain, and 0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:56.160 I was like, why did y'all ever teach me how 0:35:56.200 --> 0:36:01.760 to do this? It's so Funy's it's so liberating. 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:03.200 I was like, I could just put this dollar the 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.480 crack of the ass as let you put more places 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:07.759 than he'll like. 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:11.719 I had to be like, hey, oh right there, yes, no, 0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:15.279 they will get aggressive with other women, So I I 0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:20.439 want to say I probably I probably have done maybe 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:24.880 about three, I think, you know, and yeah, maybe a 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:28.279 respectable three. But one of one of my girls as 0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:31.320 a bachelor rep uh uh party actually no, as a 0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:33.160 birthday present was before I was even a gage, she 0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.160 got me a stripper gun, which, oh my god, will 0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:37.799 you take a stripper gun into the strip club? 0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:41.839 How much money does that fit? I think this would 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.719 fit like three hundred bucks, and like you just keep 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:45.200 loading the g. 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:52.759 That you want to load it up multiple times, just 0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:55.920 real quick. The best of the best strip club I've 0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:59.359 probably ever been to. As a spot in Vegas, it's 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:02.120 called it was then called the Palomino. We used to 0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:03.760 call it just the Mino. That one of my girls 0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:06.120 took me to that who lived in Vegas. But this 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.920 was a place where men dance for women. 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:12.040 And what I had this was I was just about 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:13.520 to ask you that what is the draw of the 0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:15.160 male strip club for women? 0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:15.680 Yeah? 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.000 Well, I mean but this one was off the hood, 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.640 so I wouldn't even twist my face up. Okay, I 0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:21.000 tell you. 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:24.200 This one was off long socks on the on the 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:29.680 danga lang long size. No, no, it wasn't socks. I mean, yeah, 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:31.920 but I have never seen this ever in life at 0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:35.560 the strip club. This dude put his man part in 0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:37.880 a hot dog bun and crumpled some chips over it, 0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:41.359 and I'd like, it was both the blackest thing I've 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:45.120 ever seen and also the craziest thing I've ever seen in. 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.120 The strip put it in there. 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:50.000 And I also realized that that's when one of those 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.160 moments when I realized I was a little bit famous, 0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:55.080 because they shouted by name out. The DJ did and 0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:56.840 this is back when I was at ESPN, and I 0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:00.279 was like, and next, like all the dudes I I got, 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:02.600 I had to turn away lap dances. I was like, okay, 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.080 so new rule, Like, they can't really know I'm here, 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.600 because this is right, this would be a whole thing 0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:09.520 and you know with women, when we get a lab 0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:11.920 dance with generally you know what they do, like they're 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.080 obviously dyrating in front of you, but they also have 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:16.799 little tricks of like where they're trying to if you're 0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:18.960 wearing a belt or something, they're trying to unbuckle the 0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:20.920 belt with their teeth, or they pulled down their zipper. 0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:22.799 Your zipper with your teeth, like this is the whole 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.320 They're trying to flip you up and flip you. So 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.239 that's another thing that I saw. I saw this dude. 0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.960 He sat this girl on his face and then he 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:33.719 flipped her around and never lost her position and on 0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:34.400 the face. 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:36.560 And I was just like, I've just closing my eyes 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:38.040 so I can imagine hold on, John she was. 0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:40.719 She was on his face, and then he flipped her 0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.560 like he somersaulted her and they popped right back up 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:45.160 in the same position. And I was like, I don't 0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:47.440 know how he did that without breaking her neck, but somehow, 0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:49.080 somehow it happened. 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:51.240 I don't know. I got lost for a second. 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:55.480 But it's all about the fantasy. And certainly I've had 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.440 Onyx in Atlanta, Magic City. You also, you know to 0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:01.719 that to questions point about, like, when you're at a 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:05.360 strip club and other famous people are there, you cannot 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:06.960 get caught up trying to throw money with them. 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:08.160 Don't do that. 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:09.200 Yeah, don't even do it. 0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:11.080 Don't mean it's a competition. 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:13.920 It well, it's just that you just are trying to 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:15.840 sort of like, yeah, I can be fun at the 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.000 strip club. Because the last time I went to Magic City, 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:18.600 Ti I was. 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:23.080 There at oh Names, he was one of the rappers. Okay, now. 0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:28.120 Shout out like he's all right. 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:30.000 So he and out on the stage at Magic City 0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:32.640 and he throwing money and I'm like, my stack running low, 0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:34.680 and he just seems to keep growing larger, and I 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:36.000 was like, I tell you, it's not gonna happen. 0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:37.759 This whole four on one g gonna wind up on this. 0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:43.399 Dam Wait a minute, it just sent me. I'm old 0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:50.000 enough to remember a time when women really weren't allowed 0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:55.439 in the strip club unless they were with me a guy, 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:59.919 because of And it's weird now because. 0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:00.960 That wasn't that long ago. 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:02.560 I mean, well, the early two oughts, no, I'm sorry, 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.040 the early odds, like two thousands, right, But now. 0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:09.640 It's like the only people I know that still frequent 0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:13.960 strip clubs are women more, you know. I mean the 0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:16.800 last five times I went, it was with more women 0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.520 than there were dudes. 0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:23.360 Because they realized that this is I mean, to be honest, 0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:25.640 at least from what I've said, when it's been a 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:29.080 situation when there's you know, men and women sort of 0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:31.560 equal in a strip club, the women spend a lot 0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:34.040 more money like the women like the guys. Or I 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.080 say this, the women spend more money and you have 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.920 to do less because you know, a guy spend ten 0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:39.960 dollars and he just. 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:42.359 Like he wanted her to put her leg behind her ear, 0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:43.600 like you want to do all kind. 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:46.839 Of stuff for like ten dollars, whereas women go there 0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:50.440 sometimes to just celebrate and appreciate other women, and so 0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:52.600 you don't even have to do all that, and you 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.839 can wind up, you know, making a men I don't 0:40:55.840 --> 0:41:00.080 necessarily need. I've gotten lap dances from women, like I 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:01.880 got one at ONYX one time. I was like, oh, 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:04.640 I'm about to fall in love with a librarian. This islie. 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:10.520 She's a Philly Phillis no no Atlanta ONX Atlanta Atlanta ONYX. Yeah, 0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:13.719 so uh but no, I mean what happened was that 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:17.040 that they saw an expanding clientele base. As I said 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:19.960 the same, the strip club is like the safest place 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:22.000 for a woman because you you a lot of the 0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:24.319 drama that you deal with in the club, you really 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:27.279 don't have to worry about and take a place like 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:31.759 in Miami, what's the what's the big sture? King of Diamonds, Right, 0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.839 King of Diamonds is a warehouse like that place is huge. 0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:39.600 It's basically a club, you know, and there are often 0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:41.399 more women in there than men. 0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:43.799 But we in there and we spending money. 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:47.120 Is it worth going there? I've been discouraged. I've asked 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.640 a few Miami friends like, Yo, let's go to King 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:51.840 and they're like, nah, you. 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:52.880 And Mike, No, it's not. 0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:55.200 It's not the spot like it used to be anymore. 0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:56.960 I think eleven is where a lot of people go. 0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.320 I think that's the twenty four hour strip club. I 0:41:59.360 --> 0:41:59.920 believe it's a let. 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:00.399 Yeah. 0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:01.600 So do you want to come out on the strip 0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:02.400 club in a daytime? 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:03.120 Oh my god? 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:06.120 Or do you Well. 0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:10.360 That's the worst feeling. Like once when I left the 0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:14.600 Vegas One it was like seven in the morning. Yeah, 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:16.280 that was the worst walking shame ever. 0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:17.360 Man club club? 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:19.600 Okay, because that's when you feel a like, what decisions 0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:21.479 have I made to lead me to this point right. 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.560 Now where I'm coming out the strip club at seven? 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:27.040 Al Yo, it's just hitting me that, Yes, we're forty 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:30.680 five minutes into this podcast. I haven't asked you one question. 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:35.160 Yeah, I could have a whole podcast dedicated the script clubs, brother, 0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:37.720 because you want to get all up in this, mister Malhill. 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.000 That's right, Okay, all right, Well a free to ask 0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:40.560 me a question. 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:44.960 I know it's it's just sometimes we just have an 0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:48.320 episode where we just go rogue and just ask questions. Anyway, 0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:51.560 what was what were your what was your early childhood 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:54.600 like in Detroit? You were born in Detroit? I assume correct. 0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:57.319 I was born in Detroit. As I like to say, 0:42:57.520 --> 0:42:59.719 I'm from the real hood, not the rap hood. And 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:02.720 you're from the east side or I'm a West Sider. 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:05.399 I'm a little bit more refined than the east Side. 0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:10.359 Thank you, any any Detroiter that's ever been on the show. 0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:13.640 I was told to take him the task because I 0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:17.439 heard that the east side of Detroit is the real 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:21.000 hood side of Detroit and the west side is why. 0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:25.400 To be honest, both sides they we both can win 0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:27.839 the contest. I mean to be honest, because it's many 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:31.080 parts on the West Side that look as bad, if 0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:34.520 not worse. But we but it's just a running joke 0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:36.160 in the city because East Side is like they just 0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:38.080 think they so hard, like all of them, all of 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:41.240 them think they DMX from belly and it's like, come on, relax, 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:44.520 like let's let's you know, let's be real. But no, 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.920 I mean, I I grew up you know, Detroit is 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:50.520 a is another chocolate city, So you know, grew up 0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.279 in uh, you know, a black neighborhood, raised by a 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:58.000 single mother, single mother who also to some degree was 0:43:58.040 --> 0:43:59.360 co parenting with my grandmother. 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:02.160 So those were who really big influences, you know, on 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:02.759 my life. 0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:05.800 And you know we're talking about you know, I was 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:07.919 born in seventy five, so coming of age at least 0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:11.200 from a music standpoint, you know, being right there at 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:14.120 the CUSPA when hip hop got going, and also you know, 0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:16.719 coming to age I think as a music fan in 0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:21.240 the mid eighties to late eighties and in high school. 0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:23.880 You know, I was thinking about this because my husband 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:25.440 is actually five years younger than me, and so we 0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:27.400 were just talking about music, what was hot during our 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:30.719 respective high school times. And you know, like my senior year, 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.640 like the Chronic dropped, and then my freshman year of 0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:37.719 college it was Doggy Style, so yeah, its like and 0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:41.479 also my senior year it was like the Chronic drop, 0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:44.759 Shades Love Deluxe dropped, Jodas Divery. 0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:45.440 Mad Band dropped. 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.840 It was like, you know, a really really good, a 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.759 good time in music like those early nineties and hell, 0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:53.879 the first roots album I was I was actually working 0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:56.840 as a music reviewer. I was interned, and I was 0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:59.360 a view of music. The very first CD that landed 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:03.239 on my desk do you want more? So yeah, that 0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:04.719 was the very first one A landed there. And so 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.839 that's when I started rocking with y'all because because question 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.480 knows this, like if I if I just had a 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:12.600 little bit more money, if I just hit that power ball, 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:14.560 I swear to god, I would tour with the Roots. 0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:19.040 I would just be like, you know what, A thousand 0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:20.759 times I would do this. Any thinks I'll play it. 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:21.720 I'm like, you don't understand. 0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:23.239 I'm just waiting. I'm just waiting to get that last 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:24.640 number on that power ball quest. 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:29.839 And so all right, so slight confession. I first had 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:34.000 my first real conversation with Jamil at the NBA All 0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:34.880 Star Game. 0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:39.400 New Orleans. 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:42.880 Yes, the one that you surprise, Yeah. 0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:48.160 Right, And the thing was, i'man again full being totally 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:52.520 transparent here. I'm not a sports guy, I'm the I'm 0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:56.320 the ESPN so on the gym, get all my information 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.879 on Sports Center the first go round, and then hanging 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:02.839 the circle at work like yeah, that was a great pitch. 0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:05.880 But then like someone like Steve will call me out like, no, man, 0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:09.800 this is football we're talking about anyway. So my point 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:14.920 was that my manager, my bandmates, when when you and 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.759 Mike walked in in the room when we were rehearsing, 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:21.520 they was going ape shit like yo, oh my god, 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:23.960 we gotta talk to him, we gotta talk to him. 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:26.839 And I was like, what are you talking about. He's like, Yo, man, 0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:28.600 it's gonna be such a good look. We gotta do it. 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:32.040 And the one I will, I will go on any 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:36.399 platform and any medium and talk my asshole for nine 0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:41.320 hours except for any what the amount of no's that 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:46.640 I've given local Philadelphia affiliator talk sports, Yo, can we 0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:49.200 get crost love on it? Like one time the Eagles 0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:51.880 wanted me to like sit in the booth, like and 0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:57.080 do a game. I was like, Nah, no, I'm not. 0:46:57.239 --> 0:46:59.800 I'm not being the laughing stock of nobody in the 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:04.600 embarrassed them. So I was trying to duck and dodge 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:08.560 y'all the whole time, because nothing is more kryptonite than 0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:12.800 me than having to weigh in on any opinion of 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:16.440 sports when I'm not emotionally invested. Look at Steve laughing 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.400 right now, I'm guessing with. 0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:20.800 Mike and Jamal, I don't even want to talk to 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:23.920 you about we didn't we like we You know. 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:27.239 The thing is, though, when we run into what Quest said, 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:29.839 very often what we did ESPN is that there were 0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:32.720 people that we just like fuck with because we respected 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:33.280 their talents. 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:34.640 We have been rocking with them a long time. 0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:38.080 The roots were number one, and so because of that, 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.759 we we often would get turned down by people like, yeah, 0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:43.840 but I don't really know about sports, Like, trust me, 0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:45.360 we don't want to hear your sports. 0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:48.440 Opinions at all, but we want to hear you all day. 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:49.400 Yeah, we do. 0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:51.800 Like, we want to talk about what you're an expert 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.440 in and why people love you. And on top of that, 0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:59.840 you know, no disrespect to you know, entertainers and other celebrities. 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.279 Most of their sports opinions is trash anyway, Like we 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:05.800 can tell y'all, well, tell y'all cashual fans, like we know, 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.879 we tell you know that's fucked up because you can't 0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:12.400 say that about you can't vice versa that because music 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:14.160 is something that you know, you grew up on, you 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:17.160 you study on your own. So it's just it's interesting, 0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:20.000 but it's it's subjective though, Like I mean, I yield 0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:21.839 to the trained years because this is what y'all been 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:24.920 doing your whole lives and you regardless of whatever is 0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:27.960 my musical know how, I can never know as much 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.399 as you all ever, so you have to come into 0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:34.160 it with that automatic respect. But like we anytime we 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:36.239 ever asked for y'all, like we never wanted to talk 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.080 about sports. If anything, we'd have been annoying and been 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:42.040 like so in nineteen ninety eight at that concept, what. 0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:42.360 Do you do? 0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:45.640 Like no, But that's the thing, Like y'all made me 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.640 feel so comfortable, Like I was so panic stricken that 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:50.400 oh my god, they're going to ask me about the 0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:53.480 sixers and then I'll be like, uh, yeah, I like 0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:56.960 Maurice's cheeks no, we don't care about what you think 0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:01.000 about and you know, I want to be that guy. 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.640 So no, no, it was it was all good. But 0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:06.320 it was the same with It was the same with Tilo. 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:08.520 It's like I told him that when we first met, 0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:10.920 I was like, I could give a shit less a 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:13.080 bunch of sports opinions like I'm here because I. 0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:18.160 I don't watch none, I have no I don't care. 0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.479 Wait, well, this leads me back to my next question, 0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:29.799 because I feel like, now, despite despite the trials and tribulations, 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:33.800 the ups and downs of your lane, it sort of 0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:37.400 forced you in a position where you have transcended sports. 0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:40.759 Whereas I would have strictly thought of you as, oh 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.879 ESPN anchor, you know, Jamel Hill. Now I mean you're 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:52.799 just I mean, you're damn near culture critic, your world 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:55.160 leader as far as I'm concerned, and that's like one 0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:58.560 of the many feathers in your cap. But like people 0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:04.000 now look to you for some sort of some intelligent 0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:08.360 civil discourse about just what's going on in the world. 0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:13.160 Which actually, I'll say that probably the question I've been 0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:16.160 asking the most of guests on the show in the 0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:22.560 last year is how exhausting is it now that you know, like, 0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:24.800 do you want it to be a place where whatever 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:27.480 your version of shut up and dribble is, Like if 0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:30.560 you just want to talk about this college team and 0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:34.640 this particular you know player, and that sort of thing, 0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:38.480 Whereas now you you have to represent everything, You have 0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:39.280 to be everything. 0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:42.480 Where we are right now, particularly with sports, where you 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:46.120 have athletes who are who have who are growing into 0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:50.120 their own sense of power and voice, which is where 0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:54.160 they always should have been, but at various decades and 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:57.839 periods they are discouraged from doing this, and it got 0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:00.560 to a point and I think Colein Kaepernick was really 0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:03.720 the one who kind of opened this door for this generation, 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:06.759 if you will, a combination of him speaking out and 0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:12.480 of course Lebron James. Anytime you have somebody of Lebron's stature, 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:16.160 who is arguably the best athlete in the world, speaking 0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:20.520 out about racial and social injustice, it gives everyone else, 0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:23.160 all the other black athletes, permission to do the same 0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:26.000 that they see like, Okay, if this guy has, you know, 0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:29.919 all these financial deals, if he's this beloved and he's 0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:32.560 still speaking out, then what excuse do I have? So 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:35.560 between him and Colin as being the leaders of this 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:39.000 generation or athletes, and now with the moment that we're 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:42.359 in in this country, that this idea hits the show 0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:45.440 title for the show We Me and Carry Champion have 0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:48.040 coming out on Vice on August nineteenth. 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:50.640 This whole idea stick to sports is dead. 0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:53.200 It should have never been a conversation to begin with, 0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:55.960 because you know, you look back on history and sports 0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:59.480 has often been ahead of society and a lot of issues. 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:02.320 I mean, Jackie Robinson integrated Major League Baseball in nineteen 0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:05.360 forty seven. I mean, the Civil rights passed in the 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:09.839 mid sixties that desegregated America. So you are looking at 0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:12.760 a lot of moments like that in sports, where because 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:15.000 sports is one of the few things that we still 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:15.600 do together. 0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:18.560 I mean, we don't worship together, we eat with the 0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:19.200 same people. 0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:22.720 You know, America is still very much a segregated society 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:25.160 except when it comes to sports, which is why they 0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:29.200 have this unique pathway and opportunity to get people to 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:30.560 listen to broader issues. 0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:33.600 So no, I'm glad that these. 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:38.839 Conversations are taking place because, frankly, what's harder is when 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:42.160 I was on Sports Center and the country was continuing 0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:45.759 to fall apart, and especially post twenty sixteen. You know 0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:48.000 how hard it was some days to be anchoring Sports 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:49.840 Center and the world is on fire, like on a 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:53.400 day like what happened with Philando Castile to anchors you know, 0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:55.360 I mean we were on his and hers there to 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:57.600 do the show that day, so we just incorporated it 0:52:57.719 --> 0:52:58.239 in the show. 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:01.000 You know, it's hard to pretend that. 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:03.400 You give a fuck about whether or not the Patriots 0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:06.160 when the AFC East, when you have black bodies industry, 0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:10.680 So it's really the opposite where I'm glad that in 0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:14.239 sports I can be this full black person and talk 0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:16.319 about you know, the games and stuff that I love 0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:19.800 in cohesion. That's something that you just said, be this 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:22.239 full black person. I just need everybody to take a moment, 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.520 because usually we are not allowed to be a full 0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:27.480 black person outlined correct. I'm just saying, yeah, No, I 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:31.439 mean it's hard, Like I mean, really, it's so few 0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:34.279 of us that get in any situation where we can 0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:35.719 be our full black selves at. 0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:40.480 One and so can I ask the first time that 0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:44.000 you were whatever the proverbial being called in the principal's office, 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:49.400 how dark is that moment where you're you know, obviously 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:56.160 trying to climb up a ladder of a career, and 0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:01.080 you know there's that moment where you might stop the 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:03.839 stop the bag, or you know you could get black ball. 0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:05.839 Like in the beginning, I think now you're pretty much 0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:06.399 tept line. 0:54:09.560 --> 0:54:11.680 I'm still black dog Exactually. 0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:17.080 No, I think I think I think you will be 0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:21.080 clapped at at least three times a year. However, I 0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:25.440 also think that you're you're in the teptlne zone. Now, Okay, 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:28.600 I can get it at the beginning, like when was 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:32.480 the first time that you rock that boat and what 0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:35.960 was the feeling of like did your mom call you 0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:37.960 like girl, what did you do that for? Or whatever? 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:41.120 Well, I mean theirs the first time I got into 0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:44.000 trouble and it was trouble that was totally self inflicted. 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:46.640 It was some dumb shit that I did. Was this 0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:49.480 was in two thousand and eight and I was at ESPN. 0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:52.960 Uh you know. I came to ESPN not as on 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:54.480 air talent. I came there as a writer. 0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:57.320 So I was writing for ESPN dot com covering sports, 0:54:57.880 --> 0:55:01.120 and I was covering the Lakers Celtics NBA Finals and 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:04.000 I was just writing a column, an off day column 0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:05.719 because the game was like the next day. So this 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:08.840 is something that just was being posted in between and 0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:12.279 when I grew up. You know, in Detroit, we're talking 0:55:12.280 --> 0:55:14.800 about the height of the bad Boys. When I was 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:18.640 coming that age as a sports fan, right, so I 0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:24.920 hated the Boston Celtics. Hated you hate them, right, so 0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:28.120 because they stood in our way. You know when Birds 0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:30.319 sold the ball. I think that was in the eighty 0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:32.879 eight Conference finals. Man, I thought, I thought my life 0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:35.560 was destroyed, and the Pistols wound up losing that series. 0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:38.800 I couldn't stand the Mopuckers. I hated the Celtics. 0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:43.239 So once Rondo and KG and Ray Allen and Paul 0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:45.400 Pierce were doing their thing as they were in two 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:47.600 thousand and eight, when I wrote this column, you saw 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:51.600 a difference in how the Celtics were perceived because they 0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:54.640 was a black ass team, right, and so black people 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:58.160 were rocking with the Celtics, which was abhorrent for me 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:00.680 to see in many respects is in a way I 0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:04.239 grew up, right, you know, and you understand if you're 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:07.120 a black Bostonian, of course, but like outside of Boston 0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:10.319 people black people really fucking with this team, especially black 0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:12.960 people in Detroit, which I was like Okay, I take 0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:14.520 some vomit in my mouth, Like what are we doing? 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:18.359 So I wrote this column about like how even though these. 0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:20.400 Guys are good guys and are great basketball players, like 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:23.319 it was just a funny column about how we all 0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:25.640 the reasons we can never be Celtics fans. One of 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:28.040 the things I said in the column was that if 0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:30.920 rooting for Celtics is like saying Hitler is a victim? 0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:35.520 Right, oh yeah right, so yeah, that didn't go over 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:37.279 to well. It was just so dumb. 0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:37.759 What was that? 0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:41.279 Like, Like, what's the intricacies of that ass whoop? So, 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:44.919 I mean, look it was it was though that doesn't matter, 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:46.960 She's culture when it comes to. 0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:51.960 It was fire and brimstone. It's like the column was 0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:54.560 only up for a couple of hours. And when I 0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:57.200 tell you, and to this day, a lot of Boston 0:56:57.600 --> 0:57:00.640 people and fans do not fuck with me because of this. 0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:04.120 In eight and so they they they took the line 0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:05.640 out the column, but it had already been up for 0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:06.040 an hour. 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:09.640 A few hours. It went viral back as much as 0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:10.400 you could go viral. 0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:15.280 Then everybody's reporting on this, and even at the Celtics games, 0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:17.560 people were because it was a Celtics home game, like 0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:20.000 that next night, they were holding up picking signs, basically 0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:23.600 saying I wasn't shit. A Boston radio station got a 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:26.480 hold of my home number and live I tell you 0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:29.720 that the calling was non stops. I mean, I've been 0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:31.840 cussed out. I didn't I had this. I didn't answer 0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:37.880 the I stopped after like the first two first two calls. 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:39.680 And luckily it was my business line. So it's like 0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:41.280 in my house, I had my own office. I had 0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:43.040 a business line in there, and that was the one 0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:45.520 that kept calling. And so they called me everything but 0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:47.439 a child of God and then some and at work, 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:49.600 I thought I was gonna get get fired over that. 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:52.320 You know, I got suspended for a week with pay. 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:56.040 And when you get sent to the penalty box, you 0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.200 know that that's something on your record. So if anything 0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:02.320 happens next, then you might be sure that, yeah, correct, 0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:04.000 they're gonna go back to that incident and say, oh, 0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:06.200 but you got a track record, here's what it is. 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:09.520 And so I was thankful that that happened in two 0:58:09.520 --> 0:58:13.040 thousand and eight versus say twenty and seventeen, which prings 0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:15.920 me to my more recent suspension was over the Donald 0:58:15.920 --> 0:58:18.840 Trump controversy, and you know that one it was. It 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:22.200 was a lot different, mostly because I felt like I 0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:24.480 was on the right side of history. You obviously, all 0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:27.000 he does is you has proved me right ever since, 0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:30.000 and I appreciate y'all saying that. And that was one 0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:32.000 of those times. And I feel like we get this 0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:35.400 opportunity maybe a couple times in our career or just 0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:38.280 in our lives period where had I lost my job, 0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:40.240 I'd have been okay. And I don't mean like, I 0:58:40.280 --> 0:58:43.840 don't mean to belittle or diminish all the things and 0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:47.200 the sweat equity, equity I had put into being at ESPN. 0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:49.720 I've been there at that point twelve years. It's just 0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:52.960 that some things you have to be able to live 0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:55.680 with yourself. And I wasn't going to apologize to the president, 0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:58.919 which they knew off rip. The only thing I felt 0:58:59.000 --> 0:59:00.600 sort of bad for it because you know, Mike and 0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:02.400 I are trying to anchor Sports Center at that time, 0:59:02.800 --> 0:59:06.040 is even though he supported me a thousand percent, you know, 0:59:06.160 --> 0:59:08.720 I put him in a very bad position just from. 0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:10.400 The standpoint of I get suspended. 0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:13.400 He's got to man the ship while I'm gone, and 0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:15.720 you know he doesn't want to be there and suddenly 0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:18.800 look like he doesn't support me, So it just right, 0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:22.840 which he did wholeheartedly. I mean, because you know, for 0:59:22.920 --> 0:59:25.240 a few days after into my suspension, he didn't anchor 0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:26.960 the show because he just refused, And if it would 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:28.720 have been up to him, he would have just been 0:59:28.800 --> 0:59:31.520 completely off the whole time that I was suspended. So 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:34.200 it was just all these things that were happening, and 0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:36.320 you know, being called out by the White House and 0:59:36.320 --> 0:59:38.120 all that, and I could give lesson the fuck about 0:59:38.120 --> 0:59:42.160 the Trump supporters, but they allowed vocal, ignorant, nass group 0:59:42.200 --> 0:59:45.560 a lot of them. And so then it's a level 0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:48.680 of worrying about my personal safety, which I never have 0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:51.520 really had to worry about before. But after that incident, 0:59:51.920 --> 0:59:55.240 you know, it really put a whole ass grenade in 0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:55.720 my life. 0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:56.440 I mean, it did. 0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:59.040 But that's not to say that the shrap dough was 0:59:59.080 --> 1:00:02.240 all bad, but it is to say that it did 1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:04.560 blow it up for the moment. So when you said 1:00:04.640 --> 1:00:08.200 that about the spaces that I'm known in now, that incident, 1:00:08.600 --> 1:00:11.920 good or bad, is what allowed me to transcend, or 1:00:11.960 --> 1:00:15.880 at least to be considered in some other circles, because suddenly, 1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:18.600 you know, they put me in a political bucket, and 1:00:18.880 --> 1:00:22.160 you were highly supported. I was watching the support during 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:24.520 that time, and the community had Joe back. 1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:27.040 Yeah, I mean they did, like black people. 1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:30.160 A big reason why I wasn't fired at that point, 1:00:30.440 --> 1:00:34.360 I think, I know it was because the high level 1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:36.440 of support that I had in the community, and not 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:40.360 just from people at the grassroots level, but you know, 1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:43.280 you know, Colin Kaepernick was I think the first person 1:00:43.320 --> 1:00:46.760 who tweeted, the first celebrity or that ILK who tweeted 1:00:46.840 --> 1:00:47.600 his support of me. 1:00:47.760 --> 1:00:50.120 And then you had d Wade and Daryl. 1:00:50.960 --> 1:00:53.440 Yeah, everybody was watching, and so they really wrapped their 1:00:53.520 --> 1:00:57.320 arms around me and ESPN seeing that Lebron James as well, 1:00:57.520 --> 1:01:00.919 seeing that, they said, okay, you know, after they didn't 1:01:00.960 --> 1:01:03.680 suspend me immediately after the Trump comments because of that, 1:01:03.800 --> 1:01:05.600 because they knew they were gonna have a bigger problem 1:01:05.680 --> 1:01:08.200 on their hand because y'all was riding for me. So 1:01:09.560 --> 1:01:11.480 so yeah, I mean, I say all that to say 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:15.400 is that when you go through those moments, and I 1:01:15.480 --> 1:01:18.000 tell younger people this too, especially as they're starting their career, 1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:20.880 regardless if you had ESPN or if you had a 1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:24.600 station in a small town, regardless of the career even 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:25.000 as well. 1:01:25.400 --> 1:01:27.160 You gotta know who you are before you go in 1:01:27.240 --> 1:01:27.560 the door. 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:30.960 And if you don't know who you are before you 1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:34.000 go in there, that will get you into more trouble 1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:36.080 than anything else. If you know who you are, you 1:01:36.200 --> 1:01:37.760 know what you won't accept, and you know what your 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:40.960 boundary is. There's a lot of thousand things a lot 1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:42.960 of us will let slide as we try to make 1:01:43.040 --> 1:01:45.640 our way in whatever profession that we're in. They gonna 1:01:45.680 --> 1:01:47.720 come two or three moments where you're gonna have to 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:49.439 be You're just gonna have to be like, I ain't 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:49.760 the one. 1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:51.520 You know, I was gonna ask you about that. 1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:52.960 I was like, cause you make it sound real easy, 1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:55.960 but we know that's like a maturation process. Oh totally, 1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:59.400 it's not like And sometimes it's trial and error. Sometimes 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:01.600 you look at way where you didn't speak up and 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:04.440 you have to live with that, and but it teaches 1:02:04.520 --> 1:02:06.600 you the next time that pops up, like you know 1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:07.800 what I didn't before? 1:02:07.960 --> 1:02:10.760 But see now now y'all got the wrong one, And 1:02:10.920 --> 1:02:12.960 so society didn flip me. 1:02:13.000 --> 1:02:14.480 I used to talk real loud a lot, and then 1:02:14.520 --> 1:02:15.880 I just got to quiet it down because so many 1:02:15.880 --> 1:02:17.160 people told me to shut the fuck up. 1:02:19.480 --> 1:02:24.360 So now it's like it is it okay now? Always 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:25.520 too much for somebody. 1:02:25.640 --> 1:02:28.240 That's the thing is that that's the constant black existence 1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:31.400 is that we could do nothing and be too much 1:02:31.440 --> 1:02:31.800 for people. 1:02:31.840 --> 1:02:33.800 Our existence is too much for people. 1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:35.480 Existent. 1:02:35.640 --> 1:02:39.280 Yeah, so that's why we can the only people are 1:02:39.320 --> 1:02:42.040 the only thing that we can do is really be ourselves. 1:02:42.120 --> 1:02:45.080 But you're right, it takes years, and it takes growth 1:02:45.320 --> 1:02:48.520 and leverage the other thing too that certainly, I mean, 1:02:48.600 --> 1:02:50.360 let's just be real. It's like at that point in 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:53.920 my time, in my in my career at ESPN, I 1:02:54.000 --> 1:02:56.120 have been able to make some bags, you know, and 1:02:57.440 --> 1:03:00.480 I knew that if we had to come to a 1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:03.720 decision where I wasn't gonna be there anymore, that that 1:03:03.840 --> 1:03:06.840 wasn't gonna come without a check. So it's like, you know, 1:03:07.160 --> 1:03:11.920 and I felt like I was gonna be insulated financially regardless, 1:03:12.120 --> 1:03:15.160 and even if I wasn't as far as ESPN, even 1:03:15.160 --> 1:03:17.400 if I didn't walk away with h with a check, 1:03:17.840 --> 1:03:21.320 that it was uh, you know, there would be interest 1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:23.560 in me to where I could make more money. So 1:03:23.800 --> 1:03:26.040 it wasn't a situation where I thought that there was 1:03:26.120 --> 1:03:27.800 gonna be I mean, I'm sure there was gonna be 1:03:27.800 --> 1:03:30.120 some networks that wouldn't have messed with me, don't get 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:31.880 me wrong, but I would have been able to make 1:03:32.000 --> 1:03:32.760 a living. 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:36.160 Right, So and ABJ was still like she the ship, Yeah. 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:38.360 Yeah, I mean it was it was still all right 1:03:38.600 --> 1:03:41.000 and all I But what it did teach me, though, 1:03:41.120 --> 1:03:46.360 is something that we learned, you know, at various points, 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:48.280 or sometimes it take us a long time to learn, 1:03:48.480 --> 1:03:52.440 is that any relationship you have with an employer is conditional. 1:03:52.600 --> 1:03:55.520 It's a completely conditional relationship and you need to you 1:03:55.680 --> 1:03:56.680 need to treat it as such. 1:03:57.520 --> 1:04:00.600 And HR is not your fucking friend, not your. 1:04:00.560 --> 1:04:01.640 Friend ever at all. 1:04:02.120 --> 1:04:05.360 Ever, this is a conditional relationship, which is we should 1:04:05.400 --> 1:04:07.920 give you and empower you more to be true to yourself. 1:04:08.400 --> 1:04:12.720 And you know, despite all the relationships I built at ESPN, 1:04:12.920 --> 1:04:16.360 despite all the time I've been there and felt like, 1:04:17.000 --> 1:04:19.360 you know, I did my job quite capably, if not 1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:22.640 better than that, the truth is is that when the 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:25.600 president came after me, they didn't say shit. And that 1:04:25.880 --> 1:04:29.040 was a very important lesson for me to learn about. 1:04:29.320 --> 1:04:31.160 You know, they didn't. 1:04:31.240 --> 1:04:32.960 I mean, it's one thing, I mean, and it's it's 1:04:33.000 --> 1:04:36.320 a cold thing too. Because in journalism, you know, I 1:04:36.400 --> 1:04:39.680 mean you check that a black concept. Yeah, I know, 1:04:40.080 --> 1:04:42.760 I mean in journalism especially. You know, I worked for 1:04:42.840 --> 1:04:46.080 newspapers before I got to ESPN, and there was always 1:04:46.240 --> 1:04:49.040 just to understood code, like when you go after city 1:04:49.080 --> 1:04:51.720 hall or city hall comes after you, you got to 1:04:51.720 --> 1:04:55.000 stand with your people. Because part of what makes democracy 1:04:55.080 --> 1:04:57.080 work is a free press. You have to have a 1:04:57.120 --> 1:04:59.800 free function in press. People that are in the president's 1:05:00.000 --> 1:05:02.960 position have to know you cannot attack citizens and you 1:05:03.120 --> 1:05:06.560 cannot attack members of the press, because that's not how 1:05:06.640 --> 1:05:07.680 our democracy works. 1:05:07.920 --> 1:05:08.080 You know. 1:05:08.400 --> 1:05:10.840 The whole thing about you know, being a journalist is 1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:15.080 that you're supposed to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. 1:05:15.480 --> 1:05:17.200 And so that's why there has to be. 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:21.840 An understood code in media that when the city hall 1:05:21.880 --> 1:05:25.240 comes after you, you protect your people. Now, however ESPN 1:05:25.320 --> 1:05:27.640 wants to deal with me internally is another matter. But 1:05:27.720 --> 1:05:29.880 when the President decided to put my name in his 1:05:30.040 --> 1:05:33.320 mouth or in his tweet, is when I expected ESPN 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:35.760 to say something and say, all right, hold up, now, 1:05:36.600 --> 1:05:38.240 if she gonna be a problem, she are a problem. 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:41.640 She ain't right, and that didn't happen. 1:05:41.760 --> 1:05:44.640 And honestly, that's the most disappointed I've ever been in 1:05:44.760 --> 1:05:45.440 working there. 1:05:45.640 --> 1:05:47.120 Because that's not the way that goes. 1:05:47.160 --> 1:05:50.400 I've been in situations and newspapers and seeing how people 1:05:50.480 --> 1:05:51.760 have stood by their people. 1:05:51.880 --> 1:05:53.000 That's how it's supposed to be. 1:05:53.840 --> 1:05:56.200 And even the NFL, as raggedy as they are, the 1:05:56.280 --> 1:05:58.360 moment he called them sons of bitches. 1:05:58.120 --> 1:06:02.000 What happened? They all tightened up. That's what you're supposed 1:06:02.040 --> 1:06:02.200 to do. 1:06:02.600 --> 1:06:04.720 So I was talking to my man the other day 1:06:04.760 --> 1:06:09.440 and based on watching what the MLB and MLB, the NFL, 1:06:09.720 --> 1:06:10.840 and the NBA are doing. 1:06:10.760 --> 1:06:13.000 Does it seem like good karma that everything is working 1:06:13.040 --> 1:06:15.600 out right for the NBA, But the. 1:06:15.800 --> 1:06:19.280 NFL and the MLB when it comes it comes to 1:06:19.560 --> 1:06:22.800 just like they are like, is it just me? I mean, meanwhile, 1:06:22.800 --> 1:06:25.880 the NBA got Black Lives Matter all on this on 1:06:26.000 --> 1:06:27.680 the thing. They safe in their bubble. 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:31.880 It's like, but well, but what is it? It does 1:06:32.000 --> 1:06:34.240 teach you something about the value of leadership. 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:39.720 And the thing is you have Adam Silver, the commissioner 1:06:39.720 --> 1:06:41.720 of the NBA, but you also have the de facto 1:06:41.760 --> 1:06:46.320 commissioner and Lebron James right here the de facto commissioner. Yeah, 1:06:46.400 --> 1:06:48.680 so you you have this and you also have a 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:51.880 black woman who's the head of the players union, Michelle Roberts, 1:06:52.240 --> 1:06:57.040 and the three of them collectively have exhibited such amazing leadership, 1:06:57.040 --> 1:06:59.080 particularly during COVID. I mean, not only are they in 1:06:59.160 --> 1:07:03.640 the bubble, No NBA players have tested positive since they've 1:07:03.640 --> 1:07:07.760 been in the bubble. They also are testing out saliva 1:07:07.880 --> 1:07:11.080 test for COVID because they spot they they have funded 1:07:11.160 --> 1:07:14.480 these tests and they're gonna use the players as guinea 1:07:14.520 --> 1:07:16.600 pigs because these are saliva tests that you would get 1:07:16.680 --> 1:07:19.080 in minutes, the results in minutes. Because part of that's 1:07:19.080 --> 1:07:20.680 part of the issue with the testing now is like 1:07:20.880 --> 1:07:23.440 people are having to wait seventeen to fourteen days just 1:07:23.480 --> 1:07:24.160 to get a result. 1:07:24.320 --> 1:07:26.920 You get exposed again exactly time, right. 1:07:27.600 --> 1:07:29.760 Or yeah, or you think about the number of people 1:07:29.840 --> 1:07:31.600 you may expose because you don't know if you got 1:07:31.680 --> 1:07:32.080 it right. 1:07:32.680 --> 1:07:35.880 So they are at the forefront. I mean, who would 1:07:35.880 --> 1:07:36.840 have thought in twenty twenty. 1:07:36.880 --> 1:07:38.520 I mean, it's been a strange year because we got 1:07:38.600 --> 1:07:43.120 Taylor Swift way more woke than Kanye Wow, don't do 1:07:43.240 --> 1:07:46.400 that perspective that was but it's it's true though, like 1:07:46.560 --> 1:07:49.000 Taylor Swift out here leading black people to freedom, not 1:07:49.160 --> 1:07:49.680 Kanye No. 1:07:49.720 --> 1:07:51.160 Don't wait wait. 1:07:56.160 --> 1:07:56.240 Now. 1:07:56.400 --> 1:07:59.160 When I saw Kim Kardashian talk about free and c murders, 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:04.080 it's just like, yo, what happened car? 1:08:04.960 --> 1:08:05.160 Wait? 1:08:05.280 --> 1:08:07.600 Say what? And if she able to get him free, look, 1:08:07.600 --> 1:08:09.240 I'm just saying, just trying to stay in because her 1:08:09.320 --> 1:08:10.760 husband fucking up. But whatever, go ahead. 1:08:11.000 --> 1:08:12.960 Black people don't fall for it, even if she gets 1:08:12.960 --> 1:08:15.360 the murder out. Don't fall for black people, like don't 1:08:15.520 --> 1:08:17.840 let this be like I'm a dope for Donald Trump? 1:08:17.960 --> 1:08:21.160 Like no, no, until she gives us our asses back 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:22.320 in our hair and everything else. 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:25.120 But it's not so much about her. 1:08:25.360 --> 1:08:28.120 Is that one thing that we need to understand, Like 1:08:28.520 --> 1:08:31.479 those acts, individual acts are great, giving back to the community, 1:08:31.479 --> 1:08:35.960 and that's great. Charity does not fix structural racism, doesn't 1:08:36.000 --> 1:08:39.120 fix it, right because you get se murder out, But 1:08:39.240 --> 1:08:40.320 what about And I don't know. 1:08:40.320 --> 1:08:42.400 If y'all watched uh uh the. 1:08:44.880 --> 1:08:48.559 Watching it like watching that yes on BZ yep, watching 1:08:48.640 --> 1:08:51.680 that and seeing I mean I knew that Louisiana had 1:08:51.720 --> 1:08:55.640 a racist criminal justice system much like most states in 1:08:55.720 --> 1:08:59.439 this country. They on another level. They god standard. It's 1:08:59.439 --> 1:09:03.200 a whole state, a gold standard of racism. And seeing 1:09:03.240 --> 1:09:06.760 se Murder's case, but also the other dude, Mack, what 1:09:06.920 --> 1:09:07.479 happened to him? 1:09:07.520 --> 1:09:07.560 You? 1:09:07.760 --> 1:09:09.879 Like, how is this possible in America? 1:09:10.040 --> 1:09:13.519 So, Kim Kardashian freeing Se Murder isn't gonna address that, 1:09:14.479 --> 1:09:17.120 is what I'm saying. And so that's not to belittle 1:09:17.160 --> 1:09:18.680 what it would mean for Sea Murder to be out 1:09:18.680 --> 1:09:20.400 of jail, but like, yeah, like you said, like I 1:09:20.439 --> 1:09:22.600 would have never in a million years, but like, so 1:09:23.240 --> 1:09:25.200 Kim Kardashian is gonna lead Se Murder the freedom. 1:09:25.240 --> 1:09:30.000 I'm like, I'm surprised she knows well hit him ala 1:09:30.120 --> 1:09:30.519 for all of that. 1:09:30.640 --> 1:09:32.040 What's up with meya? He's still in there. 1:09:33.360 --> 1:09:37.360 Yeah, it's been a it's been a really crazy year. 1:09:37.439 --> 1:09:40.040 But at any rate, I guess to get back to 1:09:40.120 --> 1:09:42.479 your original question, is that who would have thought that? 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:46.240 And again it's what I was saying about sports sometimes 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:49.240 leading away and leading in ways society can't that the 1:09:49.320 --> 1:09:54.519 most competent, cohesive response to COVID nineteen has been the 1:09:54.640 --> 1:09:56.720 NBA by far. 1:09:57.400 --> 1:10:01.639 All right, so now now I feel all off key. 1:10:01.880 --> 1:10:06.360 Going back to another sports question. In your childhood, what 1:10:06.680 --> 1:10:10.519 made you did you initially? When did you develop this 1:10:10.640 --> 1:10:15.160 passion for sports? Because I'm I'm I'm curious at anyone 1:10:15.280 --> 1:10:21.000 who really commits to something that they themselves aren't involved in, 1:10:22.439 --> 1:10:24.320 you know, like it's it's possible to be to faan 1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:27.080 music and participating in it. For a lot of people, 1:10:28.200 --> 1:10:31.760 their knowledge of sports just as spectators is amazing to me. 1:10:31.920 --> 1:10:34.400 First of all, are you an all around sports person 1:10:34.600 --> 1:10:37.160 or like, do you have the same passion for golf 1:10:37.920 --> 1:10:41.120 and that you do well? 1:10:41.160 --> 1:10:42.560 I do love to bowl. I am a I'm a 1:10:42.600 --> 1:10:43.280 hell of a bowler. 1:10:43.640 --> 1:10:43.840 I do. 1:10:44.680 --> 1:10:47.679 Y'all want some young come get them straight up? Oh wow, 1:10:49.680 --> 1:10:51.800 yes that's right. I'm handing out ass whippers on the lane. 1:10:51.840 --> 1:10:53.960 So you know, you're talking a lot for a person 1:10:54.080 --> 1:10:56.840 that has a hometown with only one movie theater in it. 1:10:56.960 --> 1:10:57.679 But that's okay. 1:10:59.240 --> 1:11:00.960 But you know what, we got a lot of bowling 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:03.720 allts because we're because a winner like you need to 1:11:03.760 --> 1:11:06.920 have Yeah, you need to have activity. So people a 1:11:07.040 --> 1:11:10.120 lot of people from Detroit, Michigan period can bowl like 1:11:10.240 --> 1:11:13.960 that was our thing. But to answer your question, is 1:11:14.479 --> 1:11:16.439 you know I would ask you the same about music. 1:11:16.479 --> 1:11:18.599 I'm sure there's a time where you don't even remember 1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:23.519 not loving music, right, and so I don't there was 1:11:23.680 --> 1:11:26.400 a time. I don't remember not loving sports. It wasn't 1:11:26.400 --> 1:11:29.559 I don't recall being introduced to sports. I just recall 1:11:29.640 --> 1:11:31.880 from the beginning. I love sports. 1:11:31.960 --> 1:11:33.800 I love Did you grow up with your mom and 1:11:33.840 --> 1:11:34.360 your grandmom? 1:11:34.439 --> 1:11:34.559 Right? 1:11:34.680 --> 1:11:34.720 So? 1:11:35.200 --> 1:11:37.800 Yeah, I mean my mother she was, I mean she's 1:11:39.000 --> 1:11:41.479 she was, she's been married before. She just didn't marry 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:46.240 my biological father and so but as I like to 1:11:46.280 --> 1:11:48.000 mess with her, but it's true though, it's all facts. 1:11:48.040 --> 1:11:52.760 My first step father all got one. Yeah, my first 1:11:52.760 --> 1:11:56.080 step father was somebody who was also into sports. And 1:11:56.800 --> 1:12:00.640 you know, I was the neighborhood tomboy, right. So I 1:12:01.120 --> 1:12:06.080 was out there playing you know, uh football and you know, 1:12:06.600 --> 1:12:11.679 playing basketball and freeze tag and you know everything. 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:15.800 Uh two not we didn't call it two step What 1:12:15.920 --> 1:12:17.680 was it. I'll think of what we used to call it. 1:12:17.760 --> 1:12:20.800 But I was mother not mother may I no? 1:12:23.960 --> 1:12:25.920 Yeah, oh yeah, kickball, all of that. So I was 1:12:26.040 --> 1:12:28.360 always out like kind of rough housing with the boys. 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:30.200 I mean it was sort of frustrated my mother, not 1:12:30.320 --> 1:12:33.000 that she wanted me necessarily a girl, be a girly girl. 1:12:33.320 --> 1:12:34.680 She'd just been like, why are you always playing with 1:12:34.760 --> 1:12:37.280 the boys. It's so rough? And so that was that 1:12:37.479 --> 1:12:38.960 was always me and what. 1:12:39.080 --> 1:12:39.760 Did your folks do? 1:12:40.640 --> 1:12:44.160 So my mother a bit of a jack of all trades. 1:12:44.200 --> 1:12:46.439 I mean, she's like worked at the post office, she's 1:12:47.240 --> 1:12:50.519 she had her own cleaning service by trade. Though she 1:12:50.880 --> 1:12:55.720 was a medical laboratory technician. And both my parents are 1:12:55.760 --> 1:12:59.400 recovering drug addicts. So my dad he is uh, well 1:12:59.560 --> 1:13:02.519 he retired, as I should say, a clinical drug therapist. 1:13:03.040 --> 1:13:05.760 So so he does like counseling and that kind of thing. 1:13:06.320 --> 1:13:08.840 Is this your stepdad, that's your biological. 1:13:08.439 --> 1:13:12.439 Dad, my biological father, my stepfather. Uh, the first one 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:16.880 was like some kind of computer engineer, and my current stepfather. 1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:23.320 Look, I'm just telling no judgment. I make it no judgment. 1:13:23.439 --> 1:13:24.840 Oh this was this is a public. 1:13:26.840 --> 1:13:28.760 Thank you. You couldn't look this up and you would 1:13:28.840 --> 1:13:31.040 know she she just oh number two. I mean, hell, 1:13:31.120 --> 1:13:34.000 my grandma got a rab so I'm mean. But uh, 1:13:35.280 --> 1:13:37.400 but my second step father he retired from the auto 1:13:37.439 --> 1:13:40.800 industry because you know, Detroit's factory town, so he worked 1:13:40.840 --> 1:13:43.120 at the plant for many years. But no, I mean 1:13:43.160 --> 1:13:45.439 it's like sports always came natural in terms of both 1:13:45.479 --> 1:13:49.639 playing and watching it, and you know it was odd 1:13:49.920 --> 1:13:53.400 because I knew, I'm I'm very fortunate is that I 1:13:53.479 --> 1:13:56.360 knew I wanted to be a sports journalist when I 1:13:56.439 --> 1:13:59.000 was around ninth or tenth grade. Uh, And I was 1:13:59.080 --> 1:14:02.240 one of those people who who never really deviated from that. 1:14:02.360 --> 1:14:04.519 You know, usually you switched careers four or five times. 1:14:04.760 --> 1:14:07.320 And it's not like I knew any sports journalists per se. 1:14:07.479 --> 1:14:11.080 But the thing is, because of where technology was during 1:14:11.120 --> 1:14:13.040 that time, in order for you to keep up with 1:14:13.120 --> 1:14:15.920 your sports teams, you had to read the newspaper. So 1:14:16.360 --> 1:14:18.400 I had to read the sports sections to keep up, 1:14:18.800 --> 1:14:22.200 you know, with the Tigers and the Pistons and everybody else. 1:14:23.040 --> 1:14:25.320 And that is what introduced me to newspapers. So when 1:14:25.360 --> 1:14:26.920 I got to high school, I worked for my high 1:14:26.960 --> 1:14:31.040 school newspaper. I got an apprenticeship at the local paper then, 1:14:31.360 --> 1:14:33.640 and also in high school, I started answering phones in 1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:37.080 the sports department of this same newspaper and the rest 1:14:37.280 --> 1:14:38.000 I went on from there. 1:14:38.200 --> 1:14:39.400 I majored in journalism. 1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:42.920 I've only done this, Like, don't I'm not even equipped 1:14:42.920 --> 1:14:44.720 to do shit else, Like the only other job that 1:14:44.840 --> 1:14:47.120 I had, That's true, I'm like, I'm not equipped to 1:14:47.120 --> 1:14:49.360 do shit else. The only other jobs that I've had 1:14:49.439 --> 1:14:54.200 outside of journalism was I delivered phone books during what 1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:57.080 I know. That's how I'm seven thousand years old. I 1:14:57.160 --> 1:14:59.400 was like, I delivered phone books to earn some extra 1:14:59.479 --> 1:15:01.200 money for ring break and. 1:15:01.880 --> 1:15:03.240 They still make phone books. 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:07.080 Dog, I like this, this is like the this is 1:15:07.160 --> 1:15:09.439 the late nineties, Like they were still making phone books 1:15:09.479 --> 1:15:12.720 and it was so heavy, and I got to say, 1:15:12.760 --> 1:15:14.040 the game must be crazy. 1:15:14.240 --> 1:15:16.720 Oh my god. I got paid like seventy cent per 1:15:16.800 --> 1:15:20.000 phone book delivered, Like oh god, it was fu o 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:21.120 way more than that. 1:15:21.560 --> 1:15:23.760 Yeah, that shit was labor and that's what I knew. 1:15:23.800 --> 1:15:27.040 I was like physical laborer and me will never get along, 1:15:27.240 --> 1:15:31.559 Like it's just not happening, that, ain't it? So? I yeah, 1:15:31.560 --> 1:15:34.400 I had internships in college. I even interned at the 1:15:34.640 --> 1:15:38.960 Philadelphia Choirer. I interned there, so so in Philly? I 1:15:39.040 --> 1:15:40.000 did I've lived in Philly? 1:15:40.080 --> 1:15:40.280 Yup? 1:15:40.680 --> 1:15:43.320 No, wonder you heard of the roots. I refuse to 1:15:43.360 --> 1:15:44.360 believe it. I looked at it. 1:15:44.400 --> 1:15:48.240 I was like, no, no, but one of my internships 1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:51.560 questions like, no, bullshit. It was nineteen ninety four. I 1:15:51.680 --> 1:15:53.760 think I was an intern at the Free Press with 1:15:53.960 --> 1:15:56.280 Detroit Free Press, which is the local paper in Detroit, 1:15:56.840 --> 1:16:00.720 and they assigned me to the features desk, and the 1:16:01.200 --> 1:16:04.400 music critic at the time did not fuck with R 1:16:04.439 --> 1:16:06.360 and B and hip hop at all, so he said, 1:16:06.400 --> 1:16:08.200 you can have all R and B and hip hop. 1:16:08.760 --> 1:16:11.120 I'm gonna stick to this Bruce Springsteen over here. And 1:16:11.640 --> 1:16:15.280 it was all good because you know, Aliyah's album dropped 1:16:15.320 --> 1:16:15.639 that year. 1:16:16.280 --> 1:16:17.120 It was the Roots. 1:16:17.360 --> 1:16:20.840 It was like so many different artists that dropped that year. 1:16:21.160 --> 1:16:23.639 My CD collection was banging after that summer. 1:16:25.560 --> 1:16:29.040 Joints Joy was like it was promos when I worked 1:16:29.360 --> 1:16:31.880 in the for our college newspapers. 1:16:31.960 --> 1:16:34.400 So I mean, this is the campus echo es Central 1:16:34.400 --> 1:16:35.240 and I would get promos. 1:16:35.240 --> 1:16:36.840 You get a hard time and tell them that's what 1:16:36.840 --> 1:16:37.200 I used to do. 1:16:37.240 --> 1:16:40.800 I'd sell them, yes, sell the ones I don't want, 1:16:40.840 --> 1:16:42.880 or I said, say, this was nineteen ninety five by bag, 1:16:43.680 --> 1:16:47.400 but like yeah, So that summer that I was interning 1:16:47.439 --> 1:16:50.560 at the Free Press, the reporters went on strike and 1:16:51.120 --> 1:16:53.320 the Free Press is also was at the time owned 1:16:53.320 --> 1:16:55.439 by the same people who owned the Philadelphia in Choir, 1:16:55.520 --> 1:16:57.120 which is how I got the Philly because they sent 1:16:57.200 --> 1:16:59.720 me to Philly. One of my girls was already working 1:16:59.760 --> 1:17:02.759 at the Philadelphia Inquirer, so I didn't even live in Philly. 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:07.920 Proper. I lived in McDade mcdave Boulevard. Damn yeah, I lived. 1:17:07.800 --> 1:17:09.640 In mcday man. I had to catch a bus and 1:17:09.720 --> 1:17:12.520 a bus in the train to get to the Philadelphia 1:17:12.520 --> 1:17:13.600 Acquirer downtown. 1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:14.360 Wow. 1:17:16.720 --> 1:17:21.240 Hold up, we need more time with Jamail Hill, and 1:17:21.360 --> 1:17:22.240 therefore you'll get it. 1:17:22.800 --> 1:17:25.080 So this was part one. Stay tuned for part. 1:17:24.960 --> 1:17:28.519 Two of our interview with Jamail Hill on Questlove Supreme 1:17:28.920 --> 1:17:29.720 next Wednesday. 1:17:30.080 --> 1:17:32.400 You don't want to miss it. It just gets better. 1:17:34.680 --> 1:17:35.479 It's so good. 1:17:44.680 --> 1:17:50.519 West Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 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