Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 3: This is fon Tigelow from Team Supreme. We all celebrating
Speaker 3: Black History Month of QLs and releasing new weekly interviews
Speaker 3: with some incredible guests from film and music. In the meantime,
Speaker 3: we've selected some special classic episodes as well, which we
Speaker 3: run on Mondays. This classic two part of CURLSS is
Speaker 3: from September twenty twenty, and it is with the incredible
Speaker 3: my homie, my friend.
Speaker 4: Jamail Hill.
Speaker 3: Jamail is not only someone to call a friend, she's
Speaker 3: one of the most important voices in sports, where she
Speaker 3: always leaves in art, politics and social.
Speaker 2: Issues and we love her for it.
Speaker 3: In part one, Jamail joined amyr like Eas, Steve and
Speaker 3: I to talk TV, movies and life. Sometimes these are
Speaker 3: the best discussions on QLSS and we just talk on
Speaker 3: our shit. It's also a little time capsule back three
Speaker 3: and a half years ago.
Speaker 4: Enjoy all Right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to what I
Speaker 4: think is guaranteed to be a highly interesting episode of
Speaker 4: Plus Love Supreme. You might as well consider this ease
Speaker 4: dropping in on a conversation already in progress, just to
Speaker 4: give you, guys a preface. We practically started this episode
Speaker 4: about five to six hours ago on the QLs chat
Speaker 4: when Laia has discovered the fonte Salmon and Smoothies, I'd say, Salmon,
Speaker 4: Salmon and Smoothies episode yes, of our of our guests,
Speaker 4: of our podcast, of which what ensued is at least
Speaker 4: on my end inn all day research excursion on the
Speaker 4: Bad Boy trilogy. And I'm talking about the movie, not
Speaker 4: the label, which then led me into a Tyler Perry
Speaker 4: Rabbit Bull, which is old another episode. Anyway, give me
Speaker 4: just give you guys a heads up. We might not
Speaker 4: even get to a real like Jamail Hill question to
Speaker 4: like forty six minutes forty six minutes into the episode. Anyway,
Speaker 4: if you're still listening by this point, you know me.
Speaker 4: You know Laia Fontigelow Sugar Steve shout out to Only Bill,
Speaker 4: who's not here right now. If he's onst he's he's
Speaker 4: only Bill. He might as well be Only Bill, our
Speaker 4: guest has been a big deal for over a decade.
Speaker 4: If you haven't caught up right now in the overpopulated,
Speaker 4: toxic male atmosphere world of ESPN, she came to our
Speaker 4: attention now as a member of the beloved sports talk
Speaker 4: show His and Her on ESPN two with Michael Smith.
Speaker 4: What Mike Uh? Soon following being a staple on Sports Center,
Speaker 4: a thinker and uh, even as a non sports guy,
Speaker 4: hear me right now, Steve, I'm not doing okay. Even
Speaker 4: as a non sports guy, I can attest that her
Speaker 4: Mike had a rather run DMC chemistry and they're on
Speaker 4: screen banter. Uh. And then twenty sixteen came and need
Speaker 4: I say more, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to QLs
Speaker 4: UH from the Atlantic and my current favorite podcast, Jamil
Speaker 4: Hill is Unbothered. Also my other other bens, my other
Speaker 4: favorite one which is Way down the Hole, which is
Speaker 4: a wire recap show with Van Lathan, which is probably
Speaker 4: the only place where you hear black people speak on
Speaker 4: the wire. I only no, I'm saying, anytime I hear
Speaker 4: about the wire being broken down, it's always by white people.
Speaker 4: So much to say, ladies and gentlemen, I can't wait
Speaker 4: for this efficition, effication.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say you just made a new word, made
Speaker 2: new word.
Speaker 4: Yes, this efication. Please welcome Jamil Hill.
Speaker 5: To thank you, Hello, old friend, and what up, old friend?
Speaker 6: This is This is a great moment for me to
Speaker 6: be on with with two musical legends. And and I'm
Speaker 6: glad you you provided me this space because me and
Speaker 6: Tigiloa can keep arguing.
Speaker 5: About dude, we gotta get Let me keep arguing it.
Speaker 4: I watched after after that initial chat, I sat in
Speaker 4: my office all day watching. I recapped Bad Boys Too.
Speaker 4: Still don't like it. No, I'm shocked that it.
Speaker 5: Was not good.
Speaker 4: I'm just not good. Just I'm shocked that's your favorite.
Speaker 5: I don't get it. I don't get it.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing. This is what has me sort
Speaker 4: of not ruffled. But I see Lia's point, like, is
Speaker 4: are you still standing on that hill that Bad Boys
Speaker 4: woman's classic.
Speaker 5: I'm standing on the hill that nobody.
Speaker 6: We should let people know that Fonte had never seen
Speaker 6: part one and part two until.
Speaker 4: As he's about to watch three. And I do not.
Speaker 6: Think that you should compare something that happened fifteen to
Speaker 6: twenty years ago to a current installation. That's what we
Speaker 6: agree on. And yeah, it doesn't yes because of the time, Yes,
Speaker 6: I agree that.
Speaker 4: But I can say that you were genuinely perplexed that
Speaker 4: Fante and I didn't see Bad Boys one as classic.
Speaker 2: Well, let me be clear.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think Bad Boys One is classic,
Speaker 3: But as I was in the group Chess, I think
Speaker 3: classic right exactly. Classic has more to do with time, place, era,
Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of things that make something a classic.
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was a good movie, but it
Speaker 3: was a classic for what it stood for. That was
Speaker 3: like Will and Martin coming together. Like it was what
Speaker 3: it stood for and what it represented made it a
Speaker 3: classic moment.
Speaker 2: I will not say it was a good movie.
Speaker 5: Its classic era.
Speaker 4: Nigga.
Speaker 5: I was there.
Speaker 1: I didn't have to see the ship.
Speaker 5: What you talking about.
Speaker 2: I saw the movie. I lived there. I saw what
Speaker 2: it was. I saw it's these two niggas on film.
Speaker 2: I know what it was. I was in the era.
Speaker 2: I was outside. I just went to the theater.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is is that, like, are you saying
Speaker 4: that had Fonte been of age in nineteen ninety four
Speaker 4: and seeing it on its first run, that he would
Speaker 4: have thought Bad Boys One was a classical film.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's like a millennial watching Do the Right Thing
Speaker 6: on HBO.
Speaker 3: Nah, that's not true because I saw my show my
Speaker 3: sons do the Right Thing like a couple, and they
Speaker 3: love that shit.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, but you know what it is certain movies that
Speaker 6: don't necessarily age well, even though that they're classics, right,
Speaker 6: I mean I saw Bad Boy when you know, right
Speaker 6: in that time in space, and so I totally understand
Speaker 6: why it's a classic movie.
Speaker 5: But there's other shit that we have.
Speaker 6: It just don't age well. And like I think this
Speaker 6: about Scarface. I think Scarface is one of the most
Speaker 6: overrated movies I've ever seen. Like that movie does not
Speaker 6: hold up. It's cheesy, it's corny. I'm shocked that you
Speaker 6: have all these brand new racers. It's definitely racist. Right,
Speaker 6: So I'm.
Speaker 4: Shocking you saw two times, didn't you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, I watch.
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, I watch it. Whatever's on. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna learn from it.
Speaker 6: But you have al Pacino, you have f Murray Abraham,
Speaker 6: you have all these wonderful actors in this movie that
Speaker 6: just doesn't hold up.
Speaker 5: It just looks.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've never been on that bandwagon that this
Speaker 6: movie was one of the greatest ever. Like I think
Speaker 6: to even put it in the same sentence as like
Speaker 6: a Godfather Godfather too, is just like disgustingly bad.
Speaker 3: Like that's just it ain't even in the same category
Speaker 3: as Good Fellas to me, none of that.
Speaker 4: You do understand why that film at sentimental meaning though,
Speaker 4: right Scarf? Often do we get to see someone stick
Speaker 4: it to the man, right.
Speaker 5: It's about it's a rags to riches story.
Speaker 2: The Cuban.
Speaker 6: It's the Cuban Superfly, Yes, basically like that. And that's
Speaker 6: another word that doesn't age that well.
Speaker 4: I have not seen Superfly yet, is it worth I'm
Speaker 4: glad you wait if nothing, I haven't seen the original super.
Speaker 6: I'm telling you you you don't want to choke somebody
Speaker 6: out on the new and like the New one, you were,
Speaker 6: but like they didn't see that one.
Speaker 5: The new one. Man they got what's his name? Damn?
Speaker 5: I Trevor Jackson.
Speaker 3: I think Jackson from Yeah, from the Hazing movie, from
Speaker 3: the movie.
Speaker 6: Right, they got Trevor Jackson with a with a dope
Speaker 6: ass Hawaiian silky And it's just like Superfly has advanced.
Speaker 6: It's crazy because Superfly has advanced from you know how
Speaker 6: I used to get his money.
Speaker 5: This dude now is in bitcoin.
Speaker 6: We like, look, Harriet Tubman didn't point to the North
Speaker 6: Star for this motherfucker to be into bitcoin, Like that's
Speaker 6: the new wave.
Speaker 5: I'm like, this, what were doing?
Speaker 6: He got a whole bitcoin electronic operation.
Speaker 5: I was like, I'll be damn, like, I just I can't.
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 2: They had to bring it. They had to bring it
Speaker 2: to the new era, Like the new era is.
Speaker 5: You know, a crypto currency don't go together.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I agree, but I mean I saluted for
Speaker 3: trying to bring it to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: You know a movie I watched the night I saw on.
Speaker 3: The group chat that did not age well for me
Speaker 3: at all, Like Beverly Hills Cop is fucking Coppaganda.
Speaker 2: Dude, Like, I'm looking at this and it's and it's
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, it's Eddie Murphy and I
Speaker 2: mean we love Eddie always.
Speaker 3: I mean, but I'm just like, Yo, this nig is
Speaker 3: just a scammer that just goes around line to people
Speaker 3: like every movie, like that's all it is, like he
Speaker 3: lining to get into this building and he's lining, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, this is nah, this was not right.
Speaker 6: I am bound by Detroit and it's not to talk
Speaker 6: shit about that movie even though I understand what you're saying,
Speaker 6: because if you in the movie. He wore a T
Speaker 6: shirt from Mumford High School, which is my high school
Speaker 6: where I.
Speaker 5: Went to went to school.
Speaker 6: Ass oh wow, yeah, because Jerry Bruckenheimer Actually he went
Speaker 6: to my high school as well. He's from Detroit, which
Speaker 6: is how the Lion's jacket wound up on Axel Foley
Speaker 6: and the Muffer High School t shirt.
Speaker 5: Look trivia that you can literally do nothing with. So
Speaker 5: just take it on.
Speaker 4: Now. If we live for useless information on this show,
Speaker 4: we lived for that. Yeah. I was gonna say that
Speaker 4: already today. I've had enough research with that. I'm almost bored.
Speaker 4: Line afraid to ask Fante his opinion. I want to
Speaker 4: wait till she least come on this show. Okay, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: On on Lovecraft Country love Craft County.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, I haven't watched it yet, all right, yo.
Speaker 3: I really liked it, and I'm not I love it.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know what
Speaker 3: it was. I was just like, all right, see what
Speaker 3: it is, yo, I fuck with love Craft. I'll see
Speaker 3: where it goes, you know what I mean. But they
Speaker 3: got me on the first episode and that and those
Speaker 3: are the hardest ones. The pilots is like the hardest episode. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm fucking with it.
Speaker 4: And I watched it in real time, and it is
Speaker 4: weird because we were like texting each other as it
Speaker 4: was happening, and she's being like really quiet about it,
Speaker 4: and I'm talking about Journey Journey Smalllett and yeah, like
Speaker 4: I without spoiler a learning it's it's I feel I
Speaker 4: trust that this will be excellent. I mean, the pilot
Speaker 4: is awesome. Yeah, I'll say I like it. So this
Speaker 4: will probably be the first time that I'm gonna follow
Speaker 4: a television series in real time since The Wire. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm a guy that will let the entire thing go
Speaker 4: on so I can just have all the episodes.
Speaker 3: At That's what I'm doing with I may destroy you,
Speaker 3: That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I.
Speaker 2: Need.
Speaker 6: I need to get on because I just hear too
Speaker 6: many great things about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody's saying it's it's it's great, it's worth it's
Speaker 4: worth getting into, or none of us has seen it yet.
Speaker 3: No, No, all the feedback I heard from it from
Speaker 3: like my movie and TV homies that really you know,
Speaker 3: they like nah that they say it's really good.
Speaker 5: Can I just tell y'all?
Speaker 6: I mean, and I want to stay with Jamel to
Speaker 6: like Sundays No Offense, but black women are killing it,
Speaker 6: like Lena waf Misha Green Katoy from Pea Valley.
Speaker 5: Y y'all on Pea Valley.
Speaker 2: I still I ain't watched that yet.
Speaker 4: Hit me, do that? Hit me? Do that?
Speaker 6: Hit me?
Speaker 4: Do that.
Speaker 2: It's a strip club joint.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's about the Yeah, it's about Mississippi strip club.
Speaker 6: And it's called pe Valley, which you know what the
Speaker 6: P stands for, Yes, Pussy Valley.
Speaker 5: That's the name, right, So it is season that's right.
Speaker 2: So women against Patriarchy. That's what I told my grandma stood.
Speaker 6: But it's it's a it's something that you you don't
Speaker 6: see often. It's like the way that it's shot, great
Speaker 6: strong characters. I mean again, you know somebody tells you
Speaker 6: it's a drop. It's a drama about the Mississippi strip club.
Speaker 6: You're like, ship, I'm in, Like why would I not
Speaker 6: be in?
Speaker 3: On that?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 6: Written by a wonderful writer that I've gotten a chance
Speaker 6: to know, Patrick Ian Polk and Autsi as you mentioned,
Speaker 6: Katy Hall like it's it's it's like that like me,
Speaker 6: Me and the Hubbie. We three episodes in. I think
Speaker 6: it's been about six episodes, but we really enjoyed. Uncle
Speaker 6: Clifford is my dog, that's all.
Speaker 5: It's interesting.
Speaker 6: I want to prepare people who haven't seen Pee balle Okay,
Speaker 6: this is a highly inclusive show where you'll see all
Speaker 6: kinds of sex and I love and Jamel. It's funny
Speaker 6: because they'll show Uncle Clifford, who is a let's not
Speaker 6: put a label. No, no, I know, what's the I'm
Speaker 6: trying to think of what would be the best way,
Speaker 6: Like he's clearly gay's.
Speaker 4: Fluid or he's fluid.
Speaker 6: I think he I mean, he's very gay, but he
Speaker 6: also wears beautiful wigs.
Speaker 5: Sometimes he may be dressed up.
Speaker 6: From like Frida Callo and he runs the club, Thank
Speaker 6: you babe.
Speaker 5: He is gender fluid, right, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's probably the best way to put definitely gay,
Speaker 6: but he's gender fluid.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: For sure. They play with you a.
Speaker 6: Little bit because you'll see Uncle Clifford get his thinging,
Speaker 6: but you'll also self cut to like the stripper doing
Speaker 6: her thing too.
Speaker 5: They're trying to satisfy everybody.
Speaker 4: Yes, time out. Isaiah Washington's in this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's the part way I know, I know
Speaker 6: that's the part that kind of You're like, hold up,
Speaker 6: because I didn't know he was in this series until
Speaker 6: we got to the episode where he popped up because
Speaker 6: he's the mayor of this little little bitty town or whatever,
Speaker 6: and I was like, oh, ship is that?
Speaker 5: I mean, I hear your reaction quest because I thought.
Speaker 2: I'm amazed that he got another shot. Like I know,
Speaker 2: I'm like word they let him back word up?
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then the fact that they let him back
Speaker 6: on what is clearly a black show is ironic in itself,
Speaker 6: considering everything out his mouth is so fucking anti black
Speaker 6: that it's OK.
Speaker 3: I haven't followed. I don't, I haven't followed. I said,
Speaker 3: what's this deal?
Speaker 4: Yo, man e might as well join yea.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he probably worse than yea though, because what are
Speaker 6: you saying? No, I mean he's definitely one of I
Speaker 6: mean he's a he's a MAGA supporter, like he's a
Speaker 6: he's a Trump dude.
Speaker 5: And it's just like, man, I don't know what happened
Speaker 5: to you? So he broke Yeah?
Speaker 6: So he is, I mean, he ain't got he okay
Speaker 6: on on the on the levels of what is it
Speaker 6: one to Terry Crews, He's not like but yeah, they
Speaker 6: would definitely welcome at the Publican national convention.
Speaker 5: Wow, disappointed him. I would think he'd be more self
Speaker 5: educated than Tearing, So.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you would think, but surprisingly he isn't, or not
Speaker 6: so surprisingly he isn't. So anyway, if you get it
Speaker 6: over that part of it, it's still a wonderfully done
Speaker 6: series worth your time, absolutely, as you know.
Speaker 5: That's the thing about this pandemic.
Speaker 6: It's like you just realized, and not that I didn't
Speaker 6: know this before, but just how much content is out there.
Speaker 6: I mean, it is almost possible to keep up. Like
Speaker 6: I still haven't seen little fires everywhere. Like I'm still
Speaker 6: trying to really good everybody.
Speaker 2: My wife watched that.
Speaker 5: I watched it though, yeah, Washington and.
Speaker 4: Pot But I'm going to finish.
Speaker 5: That, yeah, the pilot.
Speaker 6: So I find myself feeling, you know, feeling like constantly behind.
Speaker 6: And yet you know, they're still old favorites that I'm
Speaker 6: not gonna come up off the old favorites to make
Speaker 6: room for the new stuff.
Speaker 5: So I just kind of have to.
Speaker 6: I have the budget, my TV time better, is what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, you know, because like Monday Nights is below
Speaker 6: deck medic to Radiant.
Speaker 5: Tuesday's million dollars at your episode?
Speaker 6: Now? Can we can we talk about listen?
Speaker 5: Me and me and the boyfriend over here. We're rather addicted.
Speaker 6: It can be a new episode coming on or an
Speaker 6: old episode of me or I don't know. And Steve,
Speaker 6: I don't know if you'all are up on a below
Speaker 6: Deck Steve.
Speaker 4: From watch Stevie, I haven't seen any of the bad Boys.
Speaker 7: Wave man, but uh yeah right now, I don't watch
Speaker 7: like what I'm watching Quantico right now.
Speaker 6: There was a Quantica, I remember it, but I never
Speaker 6: wat Quantico.
Speaker 4: What's his name's wife? Yeah, Jonas brother, Uh, what's the name?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know that their names, but
Speaker 4: it puts me to sleep real quick.
Speaker 6: Man. That's you need to get with Below Deck because
Speaker 6: Below Deck is awesome and amazing. It follows different crews
Speaker 6: depending on what part of the world they're in, and
Speaker 6: it's like a reality show based on the crew and
Speaker 6: they're guests that come on for chartered chartered, uh chartered,
Speaker 6: both rides and needles to say one day, no, you
Speaker 6: gotta say it's a charter yacht. Yeah you can't unders
Speaker 6: you're right, it's shot and one Saturday afternoon, to the
Speaker 6: delight of me and my my sweet team. We were like, yo,
Speaker 6: black people, Yo, that's jamil yo.
Speaker 5: I got it in.
Speaker 6: So I guess they'll give you the bones of what
Speaker 6: happened is, as she said, below deck is a reality show.
Speaker 5: You know, they follow they put you in the location.
Speaker 6: It was Thailand, so this is uh, this was a
Speaker 6: pre bachelorette party event.
Speaker 5: So me, five of the my homegirls win.
Speaker 6: So it's six of us, six black women on a
Speaker 6: yacht in Thailand, and you know, people like you know,
Speaker 6: you're in that environment where you're getting everything is catered
Speaker 6: to you.
Speaker 5: Uh, the great food, all the liquor you could possibly
Speaker 5: want it.
Speaker 6: So you're on this yacht for three days and they
Speaker 6: film you and really the show is mostly about the
Speaker 6: crew that services the yacht, but of course, you know,
Speaker 6: guests like myself, we we get in on the entertainment.
Speaker 6: So goot of mine is I was drunk as fuck
Speaker 6: for like literally three straight days. It's pretty much what happened.
Speaker 6: In fact, so drunk that at one point we were
Speaker 6: having dinner one night and I just had to tap
Speaker 6: out and I just like I tried to whisper to
Speaker 6: my girl that I was tapping out, but of course,
Speaker 6: you know, I got a mic on me.
Speaker 5: Uh and they showing the cameras just showing me.
Speaker 6: It had just focused on me and I am literally
Speaker 6: at this dinner table about to pass out in my food. Yeah, no,
Speaker 6: it was.
Speaker 5: It was the drunk items.
Speaker 6: But I was drunk as fun because we have been
Speaker 6: drinking since the moment we got up, and you know,
Speaker 6: because we all vacation, so we were like getting it in.
Speaker 6: But as far as much as they showed, I got
Speaker 6: to be honest, I'm thankful for all the shit they
Speaker 6: didn't show you. I was like, oh, okay, like they
Speaker 6: just showed when my girl fell off the jet ski
Speaker 6: when I floated out to see you and they had
Speaker 6: to come get me, like they did show none of that.
Speaker 5: I was like, thank god, Oh.
Speaker 2: My goodness, wow yo.
Speaker 6: Wait below questions though, like how many people are actually
Speaker 6: on that ship because they only.
Speaker 5: High like maybe like six of the cute crew members, right.
Speaker 6: And then I also wanted to ask you about that
Speaker 6: tip at the end, because that's I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: we was praying this all black women. Please, Well now
Speaker 6: you okay. So it's a lot of money, Yeah, it
Speaker 6: is a lot of money.
Speaker 5: I mean the crew.
Speaker 6: There's a lot bigger crew than what you see on
Speaker 6: the show. They of course focus on the deck hands.
Speaker 6: They also focus on the captain and the interior crew,
Speaker 6: but there's like a whole there's like a bunch of engineers,
Speaker 6: like you know, this is a this is a mega yacht,
Speaker 6: so they have to have like a really full staff,
Speaker 6: and so you you definitely see them. But all the
Speaker 6: drama that's going on with the crew, like I watched,
Speaker 6: having watched the whole season, now I understand some little
Speaker 6: things that I felt but you don't necessarily see because
Speaker 6: the old.
Speaker 5: Girl is being rude to you, but you didn't know
Speaker 5: that she's just the bitch.
Speaker 6: Well, I knew she was just a bitch because I
Speaker 6: had watched the previous seasons of Below Deck, so I
Speaker 6: knew how she got down. But I understand the attitude
Speaker 6: I got when we got there. It wasn't a figment
Speaker 6: of my imagination because they had just had a big
Speaker 6: blow up in the last charter and like things were
Speaker 6: going left on that but of course you know, they
Speaker 6: blew that up, and they made that kind of an
Speaker 6: anchor of what the episode was about.
Speaker 5: But it really wasn't that bad.
Speaker 6: It's like, we said that to her, and you know,
Speaker 6: she had her commentary, which I didn't know until I
Speaker 6: saw the episode that she called me all them names.
Speaker 6: Because I'm like, believe me when I tell you. Had
Speaker 6: I known that, we might have had a different conversation then.
Speaker 6: Oh but we her and I were cool. I mean
Speaker 6: the day that my episode aired on Bravo, her and
Speaker 6: I were texting that day like we're still cool. Like
Speaker 6: it's no beef whatsoever. I think it was just like
Speaker 6: a misunderstanding that. Of course, not surprisingly that Reality TV
Speaker 6: blew up the other part about the tip. So one
Speaker 6: of the big moments in the show is there's a
Speaker 6: tip reveal at the end, and this is where.
Speaker 5: You figure out like, all right, who really got some
Speaker 5: money over here?
Speaker 6: Oh here, we got to understand it's like what it's
Speaker 6: like seven people that got to be tipped out, right,
Speaker 6: like seven to eight people? Yeah, so you mean leaving money? Yes,
Speaker 6: like a tip. So this you're getting the yacht. The
Speaker 6: way it works is you're getting the yacht at a
Speaker 6: very discounted rate. Okay, not like what it normally would
Speaker 6: cost to be on a super yacht or mega yacht.
Speaker 6: So you're getting the yacht at a discounted rate, and
Speaker 6: you know that they fly you out there, they put
Speaker 6: you up in a hotel the night before. In our case,
Speaker 6: we wanted to spend some time in Thailand, so me
Speaker 6: and my girls have been out there for a good
Speaker 6: four or five days before we even got to the charter,
Speaker 6: So we have been kicking in the Thailand from Thailand
Speaker 6: for a little bit. So anyway, you know, watching the show,
Speaker 6: what's considered a good tip and what's considered just an
Speaker 6: okay tip, and what's considered a great tip. Anything below
Speaker 6: twenty grand is a shitty tip. Anything below twenty Like
Speaker 6: if you're like, like when you should see their faces
Speaker 6: when they get like fifteen or sixteen or whatever. They're
Speaker 6: just like, what that's it? Because they're going by what
Speaker 6: is the cost of it? What is the normal cost?
Speaker 6: What it is for this hot that you're getting discounted already,
Speaker 6: So my goal was like we going twenty and up,
Speaker 6: you know, and then even the night before the show,
Speaker 6: what happens is that there's a there's a base fifteen
Speaker 6: thousand dollars tip built in col You tell us truth,
Speaker 6: I'm fifteen thousand dollars built in, so you know, if
Speaker 6: somebody just gives fifteen or they give seventeen they really
Speaker 6: hated their service, or the cheapest. Fuck, it's like one
Speaker 6: of the two, right because like if they give you
Speaker 6: if the starting point is fifteen and the producers hit
Speaker 6: you the night before that, you're leaving the charter and
Speaker 6: they say, would you like to leave an additional tip?
Speaker 5: Because they, you know, they bring the cash for you.
Speaker 6: So it's not like people don't just magically have like
Speaker 6: twenty grand and cash like they you know, you've worked
Speaker 6: out that arrangement beforehand, so I knew minimum we were
Speaker 6: gonna leave twenty grand, So that's what we left like
Speaker 6: we left twenty because we did really like the service
Speaker 6: and we thought we had a great time. And so
Speaker 6: as you see from the episode, they were very happy
Speaker 6: about our tip because they know what the base point is.
Speaker 6: And then for us to be kick in another five
Speaker 6: grand there it is.
Speaker 4: Wait can I ask? So you're saying that the whole
Speaker 4: premise of the show is how not hospitable, but how
Speaker 4: your tipping action is? That's the whole goal of the show.
Speaker 6: The whole premise of the show is to get you
Speaker 6: and your friends, your homies, whatever, on this yacht. They
Speaker 6: y'all all the alcohol that you want, all the food
Speaker 6: that you want, because it's a chef that because before
Speaker 6: you even step foot on the yacht, you are given
Speaker 6: what they call preference sheets, so you fill out the
Speaker 6: person who's the primary charter guests, the person who gets
Speaker 6: to determine everything that is done there. In this case,
Speaker 6: it was me. It's like, okay, so let's say I
Speaker 6: hate ribs or I want I only want Chilean sea
Speaker 6: bass for dinner, Like you put that on this sheet,
Speaker 6: so they have all your preferences, what kind of snacks
Speaker 6: you want, what kind of liquor you want, like everything
Speaker 6: laid out.
Speaker 5: The point is to combine people who.
Speaker 6: They think will be a little extra with a crew
Speaker 6: that's trying to work hard to get their tip, and
Speaker 6: then alcohol and see what happens.
Speaker 4: Yo. I would have loved to been a fly in
Speaker 4: the room when this pitch was being made.
Speaker 6: Yes, but it's brilliant though. I mean, the show is
Speaker 6: like super successful and you.
Speaker 4: Know what, Wait, Steve, are you getting any flashbacks about
Speaker 4: this story? She's telling me and Steve are world fame
Speaker 4: like all throughout maybe two thousand and five to two
Speaker 4: thousand and nine, the dynamics between Steve and I. If
Speaker 4: you don't know Jamillo, Steve has been my recording engineer
Speaker 4: for the longest, for like the di'angelo stuff, the common stuff,
Speaker 4: the roots stuff, like, oh, he's been my engineer. So
Speaker 4: we would go to restaurants and usually, you know, I
Speaker 4: would pay the bill, and I have a theory like
Speaker 4: I'm one of those over compensatory nouveau reche people that
Speaker 4: has to like overdo the tipping because I have this
Speaker 4: thing in my head about well, first of all, like
Speaker 4: they have expectations like they're not going to tip whatever.
Speaker 4: I've heard that before. But more than that, I just
Speaker 4: if I like a restaurant, I don't want them tating
Speaker 4: with my foods. I make sure I leave a good tip.
Speaker 4: So one time Steve insisted on leaving a good tip,
Speaker 4: or leaving paying the bill and leaving a tip, and
Speaker 4: I let him do it, and then somewhere in the car,
Speaker 4: I said, wait a minute, I left my cell phone
Speaker 4: and snuck back in the restaurant just to see what
Speaker 4: he left. And I didn't like it, so I like
Speaker 4: put more on top of it, and man Steve was
Speaker 4: right behind me. I knew you didn't trust what I left.
Speaker 4: That's why I came back in there. Like literally, that's
Speaker 4: been our whole dynamic. Steve doesn't trust my not trusting
Speaker 4: him tipping like that is our whole dynamic.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a loving friendship.
Speaker 5: It does.
Speaker 6: And you use your stripper club standard for tipping, Okay, that's.
Speaker 2: Just the strip what's the strip club standard?
Speaker 6: Well, at this point, I mean in college it was
Speaker 6: twenty so it got to be like twenty five to
Speaker 6: thirty percent at this point, right, So if you tip
Speaker 6: in twenty five at the strip club, you gotta do that.
Speaker 4: There's different rules for cats like me. You gotta. Yes,
Speaker 4: I leave more than what the bill is worth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean but some of it too though.
Speaker 6: It's just that we know, especially like this is this
Speaker 6: is black trauma.
Speaker 5: This is what I call black trauma.
Speaker 6: That's why, Yes, this is black trauma, because not only
Speaker 6: are you famous, but like even if you weren't famous,
Speaker 6: It's like, I think a lot of us feel like
Speaker 6: we got to compensate for the stereotype that we don't tip,
Speaker 6: and so I.
Speaker 3: Gotta I gotta tip, well so that the black people
Speaker 3: to come after me, get treated treated correct.
Speaker 4: Which Yeah, like one time we took James Poyser for
Speaker 4: it's like thirtieth birthday to a club and they did
Speaker 4: not come to our table at all.
Speaker 5: You went to want on white strimp?
Speaker 4: What else is left? What am I going to go
Speaker 4: to the left?
Speaker 5: This is why you need to watch Pee Valley? Are
Speaker 5: you kidding me?
Speaker 6: What else is left besides the white?
Speaker 4: There was no no Philadelphia. There was no Vanity whatever
Speaker 4: that name that Philly. And when I asked a girl
Speaker 4: that worked there, I found out that Allan Iverson basically
Speaker 4: ruined tipping in Philadelphia for like the entire city, like
Speaker 4: anywhere that he frequents, he doesn't pay the bill, doesn't
Speaker 4: pay his tab, all that stuff. So they just assumed
Speaker 4: that everyone is non professional.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, back in the day, a out of paper
Speaker 6: time you had to go to Fridays.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, I heard Fridays it was a spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So wait, so I'm curious of the of the panel here.
Speaker 5: What's the most money y'all? Haven't ever tricked off in
Speaker 5: the strip club?
Speaker 2: In the strip club money? I'm really.
Speaker 7: Probably whatever? I mean, it gives me to spend I spend.
Speaker 7: And by the way, I overtipped when that situation he's
Speaker 7: talking about, I overtipped because I knew his mentality and
Speaker 7: I tipped more than I ever tipped percentage wise on
Speaker 7: any break.
Speaker 4: The over overtip.
Speaker 5: Damn they ca come up that night.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, answer the question what you were saying,
Speaker 3: like not like what you saying, we were talking about
Speaker 3: most ever spent. I think for me, the thinking about it,
Speaker 3: like I always treated strip clubs like a casino, So
Speaker 3: I just go in with a set amount, and when
Speaker 3: that amount is gone, I'm going so nicolots.
Speaker 4: Yeah for me.
Speaker 3: For me, it's probably like I think the most like
Speaker 3: when I was with the Homies that we be on
Speaker 3: tour and like I think, probably like two hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Just what Like, I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm just I.
Speaker 5: Ain't even making it missed. Not ain't even Magic City numbers.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: I didn't get a bitches, no promises. I came here
Speaker 2: and enjoyed myself. I'm just killing time before I had
Speaker 2: to go to the show. We used to go in.
Speaker 3: Like in Detroit, in Detroit downtown because we would play
Speaker 3: at Saint Andy's and we would play at uh, we
Speaker 3: would go to It was a spot used to be down.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's still there, haven't.
Speaker 6: It was a Bazookies, Yespkis it was.
Speaker 2: It was literally just a spot like we go sound check,
Speaker 2: We go sound check. Is in Greek Town.
Speaker 3: We go sound check and then we're like, all right,
Speaker 3: we got you know, two hours, two and a half hours.
Speaker 3: We won't want to go back to the hotel and
Speaker 3: just see if I go into the tail, I'm gon
Speaker 3: lay down and go to sleep, and this is gonna
Speaker 3: be all bad, So fuck it, Let's just.
Speaker 2: Go to Bazuki. So me and the boys just go
Speaker 2: to Bazooki's and you know that's the name of the club,
Speaker 2: and two hundred dollars later getting to the show.
Speaker 5: All right, daddy.
Speaker 4: With me? All right? So if I go to a
Speaker 4: mainstream jawn and mainstream jowin is like a gentleman's club,
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, like if we're in Vegas or
Speaker 4: something and it's like that they replace Yeah, yo, wait,
Speaker 4: I tell you about Spearmint Rhino Dog. Their their crab
Speaker 4: fries are the best thing on I know it's the
Speaker 4: wrong thing to say about strip club. No, Well, one
Speaker 4: night after show, we made a stop the Spirit Rhino.
Speaker 4: They was, you know, like in whatever the Players club
Speaker 4: where it was like, oh, the tour bus is pulling up,
Speaker 4: the green light comes on, there's money time. No no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: no no. We just want to order about twenty crab fries.
Speaker 4: And they looked at us like, huh, yes, I only
Speaker 4: went there for the craft fries. If it's a mainstream John,
Speaker 4: probably I'll stop it five.
Speaker 5: Five, geez, I'll stop it five.
Speaker 4: However, okay, back in two thousand and four, you better
Speaker 4: remember I went to cause the thing is is that
Speaker 4: you haven't lived until you experienced a prime Atlanta strip club.
Speaker 4: I agree, now right now, more bang for the bang
Speaker 4: for my buck is a spot called Follies.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, everybody said they have the best wings in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's Follies is off the chain. There was
Speaker 4: a spot that I went to with Chris Robinson in
Speaker 4: like two thousand and four. This is the first time
Speaker 4: I'm being introduced to the concept of make it rain.
Speaker 4: And Table number one is well known, well loved basketball player.
Speaker 4: Table number or two is upstart Atlanta rapper. That's kind
Speaker 4: of a household name now and then table number three
Speaker 4: was some other sports figure that I think is a
Speaker 4: box or whatever, and to watch to watch them and
Speaker 4: to watch Chris givet commentary on the art of making
Speaker 4: it rain, Like I didn't realize that the whole point
Speaker 4: of going to a strip club in Atlanta is too
Speaker 4: And this is a spot that had a bank inside
Speaker 4: of the club. I didn't know that you can have
Speaker 4: a bank inside of a club. So to watch these
Speaker 4: people wheel out money barrels, like money whatever, like they.
Speaker 5: Get college book and for it tonight, yes, yo.
Speaker 4: And I realized that the whole purpose of going to
Speaker 4: strip club isn't even to get a lap dance or
Speaker 4: any of those things. Like the women were non factor.
Speaker 4: It's about how long can you take this water cash
Speaker 4: and make it stay in the air. And there's a
Speaker 4: accounting clock. There's there's a clock to the last dollar drops,
Speaker 4: and there's like people are trying to break the record.
Speaker 4: I think Big Boy has the record. I think he
Speaker 4: made like one particular bill stay in the air for
Speaker 4: seventeen seconds, so people are trying to break that record.
Speaker 5: I will watch this event in the Olympics.
Speaker 2: I just want to Yeah, we get I think we
Speaker 2: can replace curling with this right here. Oh dude, curling
Speaker 2: can get the fuck what was What.
Speaker 4: Was even crazier was that sixty dollars fell in the
Speaker 4: crest of my afro, my afro pick in the crest. Wow,
Speaker 4: the crest, well, you know, I kept the back, I
Speaker 4: kept my afro pick in the back of my head.
Speaker 4: So the dollars rolled down and just like in a
Speaker 4: nook and cranny, like sat inside there. I swear to
Speaker 4: you I was about to remove it so I could
Speaker 4: put it on the floor. I wasn't going to steal it. Yo.
Speaker 4: They was on me like no, and they'll say, we'll
Speaker 4: take that, And they just took the money out of
Speaker 4: my afro.
Speaker 2: The strippers did. The strippers did.
Speaker 4: No, you're not allowed to touch none of that money,
Speaker 4: like you know, slippery, you know slippery a cheesecake factory
Speaker 4: floor is. I can't buy it right now because you
Speaker 4: know what I'm telling the truth factory and yes I have.
Speaker 5: I don't know. We had carpet at the Gold Club.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, No, I'm saying that that's how slippery the
Speaker 4: floor was because there was nothing but money on the floor. Oh,
Speaker 4: I didn't get it. So the next time I went,
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I better represent So the most
Speaker 4: I ever tricked was I was feeling myself that night.
Speaker 4: I brought ten there, but I was also with like
Speaker 4: I I was with fifteen people.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, you got to balances out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I mean it's like for me, me and
Speaker 6: my homegirls, we look at the strip club as liberation.
Speaker 6: So when we go, you know, because one the strip
Speaker 6: club has become a really good place for women to
Speaker 6: go because we know there are other obviously very naked
Speaker 6: women in there, we're unlikely to be bothered.
Speaker 5: We can hear good music, and we can get good food.
Speaker 6: So it checks the Bengo cars if you really want
Speaker 6: just a night out of which your girls are just unadulterated,
Speaker 6: pure ignorant ass fun. And we wind up almost always
Speaker 6: befriending all the strippers like we have the hottest booth,
Speaker 6: Like if you go there with a woman trusts me
Speaker 6: or women like, we will have the hottest booth. So
Speaker 6: I've had some times in the strip club that what
Speaker 6: ruined me is one of the first times I really
Speaker 6: went to the strip club. I went with a professional
Speaker 6: athlete some of his friends, and they one of them
Speaker 6: handed me a stack of tens to make it rain,
Speaker 6: and they showed me how to make it rain, and
Speaker 6: I was like, why did y'all ever teach me how
Speaker 6: to do this? It's so Funy's it's so liberating.
Speaker 5: I was like, I could just put this dollar the
Speaker 5: crack of the ass as let you put more places
Speaker 5: than he'll like.
Speaker 6: I had to be like, hey, oh right there, yes, no,
Speaker 6: they will get aggressive with other women, So I I
Speaker 6: want to say I probably I probably have done maybe
Speaker 6: about three, I think, you know, and yeah, maybe a
Speaker 6: respectable three. But one of one of my girls as
Speaker 6: a bachelor rep uh uh party actually no, as a
Speaker 6: birthday present was before I was even a gage, she
Speaker 6: got me a stripper gun, which, oh my god, will
Speaker 6: you take a stripper gun into the strip club?
Speaker 5: How much money does that fit? I think this would
Speaker 5: fit like three hundred bucks, and like you just keep
Speaker 5: loading the g.
Speaker 6: That you want to load it up multiple times, just
Speaker 6: real quick. The best of the best strip club I've
Speaker 6: probably ever been to. As a spot in Vegas, it's
Speaker 6: called it was then called the Palomino. We used to
Speaker 6: call it just the Mino. That one of my girls
Speaker 6: took me to that who lived in Vegas. But this
Speaker 6: was a place where men dance for women.
Speaker 3: And what I had this was I was just about
Speaker 3: to ask you that what is the draw of the
Speaker 3: male strip club for women?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean but this one was off the hood,
Speaker 5: so I wouldn't even twist my face up. Okay, I
Speaker 5: tell you.
Speaker 6: This one was off long socks on the on the
Speaker 6: danga lang long size. No, no, it wasn't socks. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 6: but I have never seen this ever in life at
Speaker 6: the strip club. This dude put his man part in
Speaker 6: a hot dog bun and crumpled some chips over it,
Speaker 6: and I'd like, it was both the blackest thing I've
Speaker 6: ever seen and also the craziest thing I've ever seen in.
Speaker 5: The strip put it in there.
Speaker 6: And I also realized that that's when one of those
Speaker 6: moments when I realized I was a little bit famous,
Speaker 6: because they shouted by name out. The DJ did and
Speaker 6: this is back when I was at ESPN, and I
Speaker 6: was like, and next, like all the dudes I I got,
Speaker 6: I had to turn away lap dances. I was like, okay,
Speaker 6: so new rule, Like, they can't really know I'm here,
Speaker 6: because this is right, this would be a whole thing
Speaker 6: and you know with women, when we get a lab
Speaker 6: dance with generally you know what they do, like they're
Speaker 6: obviously dyrating in front of you, but they also have
Speaker 6: little tricks of like where they're trying to if you're
Speaker 6: wearing a belt or something, they're trying to unbuckle the
Speaker 6: belt with their teeth, or they pulled down their zipper.
Speaker 5: Your zipper with your teeth, like this is the whole
Speaker 5: They're trying to flip you up and flip you. So
Speaker 5: that's another thing that I saw. I saw this dude.
Speaker 6: He sat this girl on his face and then he
Speaker 6: flipped her around and never lost her position and on
Speaker 6: the face.
Speaker 5: And I was just like, I've just closing my eyes
Speaker 5: so I can imagine hold on, John she was.
Speaker 6: She was on his face, and then he flipped her
Speaker 6: like he somersaulted her and they popped right back up
Speaker 6: in the same position. And I was like, I don't
Speaker 6: know how he did that without breaking her neck, but somehow,
Speaker 6: somehow it happened.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I got lost for a second.
Speaker 6: But it's all about the fantasy. And certainly I've had
Speaker 6: Onyx in Atlanta, Magic City. You also, you know to
Speaker 6: that to questions point about, like, when you're at a
Speaker 6: strip club and other famous people are there, you cannot
Speaker 6: get caught up trying to throw money with them.
Speaker 4: Don't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't even do it.
Speaker 5: Don't mean it's a competition.
Speaker 6: It well, it's just that you just are trying to
Speaker 6: sort of like, yeah, I can be fun at the
Speaker 6: strip club. Because the last time I went to Magic City,
Speaker 6: Ti I was.
Speaker 4: There at oh Names, he was one of the rappers. Okay, now.
Speaker 5: Shout out like he's all right.
Speaker 6: So he and out on the stage at Magic City
Speaker 6: and he throwing money and I'm like, my stack running low,
Speaker 6: and he just seems to keep growing larger, and I
Speaker 6: was like, I tell you, it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5: This whole four on one g gonna wind up on this.
Speaker 4: Dam Wait a minute, it just sent me. I'm old
Speaker 4: enough to remember a time when women really weren't allowed
Speaker 4: in the strip club unless they were with me a guy,
Speaker 4: because of And it's weird now because.
Speaker 5: That wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 6: I mean, well, the early two oughts, no, I'm sorry,
Speaker 6: the early odds, like two thousands, right, But now.
Speaker 4: It's like the only people I know that still frequent
Speaker 4: strip clubs are women more, you know. I mean the
Speaker 4: last five times I went, it was with more women
Speaker 4: than there were dudes.
Speaker 6: Because they realized that this is I mean, to be honest,
Speaker 6: at least from what I've said, when it's been a
Speaker 6: situation when there's you know, men and women sort of
Speaker 6: equal in a strip club, the women spend a lot
Speaker 6: more money like the women like the guys. Or I
Speaker 6: say this, the women spend more money and you have
Speaker 6: to do less because you know, a guy spend ten
Speaker 6: dollars and he just.
Speaker 5: Like he wanted her to put her leg behind her ear,
Speaker 5: like you want to do all kind.
Speaker 6: Of stuff for like ten dollars, whereas women go there
Speaker 6: sometimes to just celebrate and appreciate other women, and so
Speaker 6: you don't even have to do all that, and you
Speaker 6: can wind up, you know, making a men I don't
Speaker 6: necessarily need. I've gotten lap dances from women, like I
Speaker 6: got one at ONYX one time. I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm about to fall in love with a librarian. This islie.
Speaker 6: She's a Philly Phillis no no Atlanta ONX Atlanta Atlanta ONYX. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so uh but no, I mean what happened was that
Speaker 6: that they saw an expanding clientele base. As I said
Speaker 6: the same, the strip club is like the safest place
Speaker 6: for a woman because you you a lot of the
Speaker 6: drama that you deal with in the club, you really
Speaker 6: don't have to worry about and take a place like
Speaker 6: in Miami, what's the what's the big sture? King of Diamonds, Right,
Speaker 6: King of Diamonds is a warehouse like that place is huge.
Speaker 6: It's basically a club, you know, and there are often
Speaker 6: more women in there than men.
Speaker 5: But we in there and we spending money.
Speaker 4: Is it worth going there? I've been discouraged. I've asked
Speaker 4: a few Miami friends like, Yo, let's go to King
Speaker 4: and they're like, nah, you.
Speaker 5: And Mike, No, it's not.
Speaker 6: It's not the spot like it used to be anymore.
Speaker 6: I think eleven is where a lot of people go.
Speaker 6: I think that's the twenty four hour strip club. I
Speaker 6: believe it's a let.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So do you want to come out on the strip
Speaker 5: club in a daytime?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 5: Or do you Well.
Speaker 4: That's the worst feeling. Like once when I left the
Speaker 4: Vegas One it was like seven in the morning. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was the worst walking shame ever.
Speaker 5: Man club club?
Speaker 6: Okay, because that's when you feel a like, what decisions
Speaker 6: have I made to lead me to this point right.
Speaker 5: Now where I'm coming out the strip club at seven?
Speaker 4: Al Yo, it's just hitting me that, Yes, we're forty
Speaker 4: five minutes into this podcast. I haven't asked you one question.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I could have a whole podcast dedicated the script clubs, brother,
Speaker 6: because you want to get all up in this, mister Malhill.
Speaker 5: That's right, Okay, all right, Well a free to ask
Speaker 5: me a question.
Speaker 4: I know it's it's just sometimes we just have an
Speaker 4: episode where we just go rogue and just ask questions. Anyway,
Speaker 4: what was what were your what was your early childhood
Speaker 4: like in Detroit? You were born in Detroit? I assume correct.
Speaker 5: I was born in Detroit. As I like to say,
Speaker 5: I'm from the real hood, not the rap hood. And
Speaker 5: you're from the east side or I'm a West Sider.
Speaker 5: I'm a little bit more refined than the east Side.
Speaker 4: Thank you, any any Detroiter that's ever been on the show.
Speaker 4: I was told to take him the task because I
Speaker 4: heard that the east side of Detroit is the real
Speaker 4: hood side of Detroit and the west side is why.
Speaker 6: To be honest, both sides they we both can win
Speaker 6: the contest. I mean to be honest, because it's many
Speaker 6: parts on the West Side that look as bad, if
Speaker 6: not worse. But we but it's just a running joke
Speaker 6: in the city because East Side is like they just
Speaker 6: think they so hard, like all of them, all of
Speaker 6: them think they DMX from belly and it's like, come on, relax,
Speaker 6: like let's let's you know, let's be real. But no,
Speaker 6: I mean, I I grew up you know, Detroit is
Speaker 6: a is another chocolate city, So you know, grew up
Speaker 6: in uh, you know, a black neighborhood, raised by a
Speaker 6: single mother, single mother who also to some degree was
Speaker 6: co parenting with my grandmother.
Speaker 5: So those were who really big influences, you know, on
Speaker 5: my life.
Speaker 6: And you know we're talking about you know, I was
Speaker 6: born in seventy five, so coming of age at least
Speaker 6: from a music standpoint, you know, being right there at
Speaker 6: the CUSPA when hip hop got going, and also you know,
Speaker 6: coming to age I think as a music fan in
Speaker 6: the mid eighties to late eighties and in high school.
Speaker 6: You know, I was thinking about this because my husband
Speaker 6: is actually five years younger than me, and so we
Speaker 6: were just talking about music, what was hot during our
Speaker 6: respective high school times. And you know, like my senior year,
Speaker 6: like the Chronic dropped, and then my freshman year of
Speaker 6: college it was Doggy Style, so yeah, its like and
Speaker 6: also my senior year it was like the Chronic drop,
Speaker 6: Shades Love Deluxe dropped, Jodas Divery.
Speaker 5: Mad Band dropped.
Speaker 6: It was like, you know, a really really good, a
Speaker 6: good time in music like those early nineties and hell,
Speaker 6: the first roots album I was I was actually working
Speaker 6: as a music reviewer. I was interned, and I was
Speaker 6: a view of music. The very first CD that landed
Speaker 6: on my desk do you want more? So yeah, that
Speaker 6: was the very first one A landed there. And so
Speaker 6: that's when I started rocking with y'all because because question
Speaker 6: knows this, like if I if I just had a
Speaker 6: little bit more money, if I just hit that power ball,
Speaker 6: I swear to god, I would tour with the Roots.
Speaker 6: I would just be like, you know what, A thousand
Speaker 6: times I would do this. Any thinks I'll play it.
Speaker 6: I'm like, you don't understand.
Speaker 5: I'm just waiting. I'm just waiting to get that last
Speaker 5: number on that power ball quest.
Speaker 4: And so all right, so slight confession. I first had
Speaker 4: my first real conversation with Jamil at the NBA All
Speaker 4: Star Game.
Speaker 5: New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Yes, the one that you surprise, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, And the thing was, i'man again full being totally
Speaker 4: transparent here. I'm not a sports guy, I'm the I'm
Speaker 4: the ESPN so on the gym, get all my information
Speaker 4: on Sports Center the first go round, and then hanging
Speaker 4: the circle at work like yeah, that was a great pitch.
Speaker 4: But then like someone like Steve will call me out like, no, man,
Speaker 4: this is football we're talking about anyway. So my point
Speaker 4: was that my manager, my bandmates, when when you and
Speaker 4: Mike walked in in the room when we were rehearsing,
Speaker 4: they was going ape shit like yo, oh my god,
Speaker 4: we gotta talk to him, we gotta talk to him.
Speaker 4: And I was like, what are you talking about. He's like, Yo, man,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be such a good look. We gotta do it.
Speaker 4: And the one I will, I will go on any
Speaker 4: platform and any medium and talk my asshole for nine
Speaker 4: hours except for any what the amount of no's that
Speaker 4: I've given local Philadelphia affiliator talk sports, Yo, can we
Speaker 4: get crost love on it? Like one time the Eagles
Speaker 4: wanted me to like sit in the booth, like and
Speaker 4: do a game. I was like, Nah, no, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm not being the laughing stock of nobody in the
Speaker 4: embarrassed them. So I was trying to duck and dodge
Speaker 4: y'all the whole time, because nothing is more kryptonite than
Speaker 4: me than having to weigh in on any opinion of
Speaker 4: sports when I'm not emotionally invested. Look at Steve laughing
Speaker 4: right now, I'm guessing with.
Speaker 5: Mike and Jamal, I don't even want to talk to
Speaker 5: you about we didn't we like we You know.
Speaker 6: The thing is, though, when we run into what Quest said,
Speaker 6: very often what we did ESPN is that there were
Speaker 6: people that we just like fuck with because we respected
Speaker 6: their talents.
Speaker 5: We have been rocking with them a long time.
Speaker 6: The roots were number one, and so because of that,
Speaker 6: we we often would get turned down by people like, yeah,
Speaker 6: but I don't really know about sports, Like, trust me,
Speaker 6: we don't want to hear your sports.
Speaker 5: Opinions at all, but we want to hear you all day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we do.
Speaker 6: Like, we want to talk about what you're an expert
Speaker 6: in and why people love you. And on top of that,
Speaker 6: you know, no disrespect to you know, entertainers and other celebrities.
Speaker 6: Most of their sports opinions is trash anyway, Like we
Speaker 6: can tell y'all, well, tell y'all cashual fans, like we know,
Speaker 6: we tell you know that's fucked up because you can't
Speaker 6: say that about you can't vice versa that because music
Speaker 6: is something that you know, you grew up on, you
Speaker 6: you study on your own. So it's just it's interesting,
Speaker 6: but it's it's subjective though, Like I mean, I yield
Speaker 6: to the trained years because this is what y'all been
Speaker 6: doing your whole lives and you regardless of whatever is
Speaker 6: my musical know how, I can never know as much
Speaker 6: as you all ever, so you have to come into
Speaker 6: it with that automatic respect. But like we anytime we
Speaker 6: ever asked for y'all, like we never wanted to talk
Speaker 6: about sports. If anything, we'd have been annoying and been
Speaker 6: like so in nineteen ninety eight at that concept, what.
Speaker 2: Do you do?
Speaker 4: Like no, But that's the thing, Like y'all made me
Speaker 4: feel so comfortable, Like I was so panic stricken that
Speaker 4: oh my god, they're going to ask me about the
Speaker 4: sixers and then I'll be like, uh, yeah, I like
Speaker 4: Maurice's cheeks no, we don't care about what you think
Speaker 4: about and you know, I want to be that guy.
Speaker 5: So no, no, it was it was all good. But
Speaker 5: it was the same with It was the same with Tilo.
Speaker 6: It's like I told him that when we first met,
Speaker 6: I was like, I could give a shit less a
Speaker 6: bunch of sports opinions like I'm here because I.
Speaker 2: I don't watch none, I have no I don't care.
Speaker 4: Wait, well, this leads me back to my next question,
Speaker 4: because I feel like, now, despite despite the trials and tribulations,
Speaker 4: the ups and downs of your lane, it sort of
Speaker 4: forced you in a position where you have transcended sports.
Speaker 4: Whereas I would have strictly thought of you as, oh
Speaker 4: ESPN anchor, you know, Jamel Hill. Now I mean you're
Speaker 4: just I mean, you're damn near culture critic, your world
Speaker 4: leader as far as I'm concerned, and that's like one
Speaker 4: of the many feathers in your cap. But like people
Speaker 4: now look to you for some sort of some intelligent
Speaker 4: civil discourse about just what's going on in the world.
Speaker 4: Which actually, I'll say that probably the question I've been
Speaker 4: asking the most of guests on the show in the
Speaker 4: last year is how exhausting is it now that you know, like,
Speaker 4: do you want it to be a place where whatever
Speaker 4: your version of shut up and dribble is, Like if
Speaker 4: you just want to talk about this college team and
Speaker 4: this particular you know player, and that sort of thing,
Speaker 4: Whereas now you you have to represent everything, You have
Speaker 4: to be everything.
Speaker 6: Where we are right now, particularly with sports, where you
Speaker 6: have athletes who are who have who are growing into
Speaker 6: their own sense of power and voice, which is where
Speaker 6: they always should have been, but at various decades and
Speaker 6: periods they are discouraged from doing this, and it got
Speaker 6: to a point and I think Colein Kaepernick was really
Speaker 6: the one who kind of opened this door for this generation,
Speaker 6: if you will, a combination of him speaking out and
Speaker 6: of course Lebron James. Anytime you have somebody of Lebron's stature,
Speaker 6: who is arguably the best athlete in the world, speaking
Speaker 6: out about racial and social injustice, it gives everyone else,
Speaker 6: all the other black athletes, permission to do the same
Speaker 6: that they see like, Okay, if this guy has, you know,
Speaker 6: all these financial deals, if he's this beloved and he's
Speaker 6: still speaking out, then what excuse do I have? So
Speaker 6: between him and Colin as being the leaders of this
Speaker 6: generation or athletes, and now with the moment that we're
Speaker 6: in in this country, that this idea hits the show
Speaker 6: title for the show We Me and Carry Champion have
Speaker 6: coming out on Vice on August nineteenth.
Speaker 5: This whole idea stick to sports is dead.
Speaker 6: It should have never been a conversation to begin with,
Speaker 6: because you know, you look back on history and sports
Speaker 6: has often been ahead of society and a lot of issues.
Speaker 6: I mean, Jackie Robinson integrated Major League Baseball in nineteen
Speaker 6: forty seven. I mean, the Civil rights passed in the
Speaker 6: mid sixties that desegregated America. So you are looking at
Speaker 6: a lot of moments like that in sports, where because
Speaker 6: sports is one of the few things that we still
Speaker 6: do together.
Speaker 5: I mean, we don't worship together, we eat with the
Speaker 5: same people.
Speaker 6: You know, America is still very much a segregated society
Speaker 6: except when it comes to sports, which is why they
Speaker 6: have this unique pathway and opportunity to get people to
Speaker 6: listen to broader issues.
Speaker 5: So no, I'm glad that these.
Speaker 6: Conversations are taking place because, frankly, what's harder is when
Speaker 6: I was on Sports Center and the country was continuing
Speaker 6: to fall apart, and especially post twenty sixteen. You know
Speaker 6: how hard it was some days to be anchoring Sports
Speaker 6: Center and the world is on fire, like on a
Speaker 6: day like what happened with Philando Castile to anchors you know,
Speaker 6: I mean we were on his and hers there to
Speaker 6: do the show that day, so we just incorporated it
Speaker 6: in the show.
Speaker 5: You know, it's hard to pretend that.
Speaker 6: You give a fuck about whether or not the Patriots
Speaker 6: when the AFC East, when you have black bodies industry,
Speaker 6: So it's really the opposite where I'm glad that in
Speaker 6: sports I can be this full black person and talk
Speaker 6: about you know, the games and stuff that I love
Speaker 6: in cohesion. That's something that you just said, be this
Speaker 6: full black person. I just need everybody to take a moment,
Speaker 6: because usually we are not allowed to be a full
Speaker 6: black person outlined correct. I'm just saying, yeah, No, I
Speaker 6: mean it's hard, Like I mean, really, it's so few
Speaker 6: of us that get in any situation where we can
Speaker 6: be our full black selves at.
Speaker 4: One and so can I ask the first time that
Speaker 4: you were whatever the proverbial being called in the principal's office,
Speaker 4: how dark is that moment where you're you know, obviously
Speaker 4: trying to climb up a ladder of a career, and
Speaker 4: you know there's that moment where you might stop the
Speaker 4: stop the bag, or you know you could get black ball.
Speaker 4: Like in the beginning, I think now you're pretty much
Speaker 4: tept line.
Speaker 5: I'm still black dog Exactually.
Speaker 4: No, I think I think I think you will be
Speaker 4: clapped at at least three times a year. However, I
Speaker 4: also think that you're you're in the teptlne zone. Now, Okay,
Speaker 4: I can get it at the beginning, like when was
Speaker 4: the first time that you rock that boat and what
Speaker 4: was the feeling of like did your mom call you
Speaker 4: like girl, what did you do that for? Or whatever?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean theirs the first time I got into
Speaker 6: trouble and it was trouble that was totally self inflicted.
Speaker 6: It was some dumb shit that I did. Was this
Speaker 6: was in two thousand and eight and I was at ESPN.
Speaker 5: Uh you know. I came to ESPN not as on
Speaker 5: air talent. I came there as a writer.
Speaker 6: So I was writing for ESPN dot com covering sports,
Speaker 6: and I was covering the Lakers Celtics NBA Finals and
Speaker 6: I was just writing a column, an off day column
Speaker 6: because the game was like the next day. So this
Speaker 6: is something that just was being posted in between and
Speaker 6: when I grew up. You know, in Detroit, we're talking
Speaker 6: about the height of the bad Boys. When I was
Speaker 6: coming that age as a sports fan, right, so I
Speaker 6: hated the Boston Celtics. Hated you hate them, right, so
Speaker 6: because they stood in our way. You know when Birds
Speaker 6: sold the ball. I think that was in the eighty
Speaker 6: eight Conference finals. Man, I thought, I thought my life
Speaker 6: was destroyed, and the Pistols wound up losing that series.
Speaker 5: I couldn't stand the Mopuckers. I hated the Celtics.
Speaker 6: So once Rondo and KG and Ray Allen and Paul
Speaker 6: Pierce were doing their thing as they were in two
Speaker 6: thousand and eight, when I wrote this column, you saw
Speaker 6: a difference in how the Celtics were perceived because they
Speaker 6: was a black ass team, right, and so black people
Speaker 6: were rocking with the Celtics, which was abhorrent for me
Speaker 6: to see in many respects is in a way I
Speaker 6: grew up, right, you know, and you understand if you're
Speaker 6: a black Bostonian, of course, but like outside of Boston
Speaker 6: people black people really fucking with this team, especially black
Speaker 6: people in Detroit, which I was like Okay, I take
Speaker 6: some vomit in my mouth, Like what are we doing?
Speaker 5: So I wrote this column about like how even though these.
Speaker 6: Guys are good guys and are great basketball players, like
Speaker 6: it was just a funny column about how we all
Speaker 6: the reasons we can never be Celtics fans. One of
Speaker 6: the things I said in the column was that if
Speaker 6: rooting for Celtics is like saying Hitler is a victim?
Speaker 5: Right, oh yeah right, so yeah, that didn't go over
Speaker 5: to well. It was just so dumb.
Speaker 4: What was that?
Speaker 5: Like, Like, what's the intricacies of that ass whoop? So,
Speaker 5: I mean, look it was it was though that doesn't matter,
Speaker 5: She's culture when it comes to.
Speaker 6: It was fire and brimstone. It's like the column was
Speaker 6: only up for a couple of hours. And when I
Speaker 6: tell you, and to this day, a lot of Boston
Speaker 6: people and fans do not fuck with me because of this.
Speaker 6: In eight and so they they they took the line
Speaker 6: out the column, but it had already been up for
Speaker 6: an hour.
Speaker 5: A few hours. It went viral back as much as
Speaker 5: you could go viral.
Speaker 6: Then everybody's reporting on this, and even at the Celtics games,
Speaker 6: people were because it was a Celtics home game, like
Speaker 6: that next night, they were holding up picking signs, basically
Speaker 6: saying I wasn't shit. A Boston radio station got a
Speaker 6: hold of my home number and live I tell you
Speaker 6: that the calling was non stops. I mean, I've been
Speaker 6: cussed out. I didn't I had this. I didn't answer
Speaker 6: the I stopped after like the first two first two calls.
Speaker 6: And luckily it was my business line. So it's like
Speaker 6: in my house, I had my own office. I had
Speaker 6: a business line in there, and that was the one
Speaker 6: that kept calling. And so they called me everything but
Speaker 6: a child of God and then some and at work,
Speaker 6: I thought I was gonna get get fired over that.
Speaker 5: You know, I got suspended for a week with pay.
Speaker 6: And when you get sent to the penalty box, you
Speaker 6: know that that's something on your record. So if anything
Speaker 6: happens next, then you might be sure that, yeah, correct,
Speaker 6: they're gonna go back to that incident and say, oh,
Speaker 6: but you got a track record, here's what it is.
Speaker 6: And so I was thankful that that happened in two
Speaker 6: thousand and eight versus say twenty and seventeen, which prings
Speaker 6: me to my more recent suspension was over the Donald
Speaker 6: Trump controversy, and you know that one it was. It
Speaker 6: was a lot different, mostly because I felt like I
Speaker 6: was on the right side of history. You obviously, all
Speaker 6: he does is you has proved me right ever since,
Speaker 6: and I appreciate y'all saying that. And that was one
Speaker 6: of those times. And I feel like we get this
Speaker 6: opportunity maybe a couple times in our career or just
Speaker 6: in our lives period where had I lost my job,
Speaker 6: I'd have been okay. And I don't mean like, I
Speaker 6: don't mean to belittle or diminish all the things and
Speaker 6: the sweat equity, equity I had put into being at ESPN.
Speaker 6: I've been there at that point twelve years. It's just
Speaker 6: that some things you have to be able to live
Speaker 6: with yourself. And I wasn't going to apologize to the president,
Speaker 6: which they knew off rip. The only thing I felt
Speaker 6: sort of bad for it because you know, Mike and
Speaker 6: I are trying to anchor Sports Center at that time,
Speaker 6: is even though he supported me a thousand percent, you know,
Speaker 6: I put him in a very bad position just from.
Speaker 5: The standpoint of I get suspended.
Speaker 6: He's got to man the ship while I'm gone, and
Speaker 6: you know he doesn't want to be there and suddenly
Speaker 6: look like he doesn't support me, So it just right,
Speaker 6: which he did wholeheartedly. I mean, because you know, for
Speaker 6: a few days after into my suspension, he didn't anchor
Speaker 6: the show because he just refused, And if it would
Speaker 6: have been up to him, he would have just been
Speaker 6: completely off the whole time that I was suspended. So
Speaker 6: it was just all these things that were happening, and
Speaker 6: you know, being called out by the White House and
Speaker 6: all that, and I could give lesson the fuck about
Speaker 6: the Trump supporters, but they allowed vocal, ignorant, nass group
Speaker 6: a lot of them. And so then it's a level
Speaker 6: of worrying about my personal safety, which I never have
Speaker 6: really had to worry about before. But after that incident,
Speaker 6: you know, it really put a whole ass grenade in
Speaker 6: my life.
Speaker 5: I mean, it did.
Speaker 6: But that's not to say that the shrap dough was
Speaker 6: all bad, but it is to say that it did
Speaker 6: blow it up for the moment. So when you said
Speaker 6: that about the spaces that I'm known in now, that incident,
Speaker 6: good or bad, is what allowed me to transcend, or
Speaker 6: at least to be considered in some other circles, because suddenly,
Speaker 6: you know, they put me in a political bucket, and
Speaker 6: you were highly supported. I was watching the support during
Speaker 6: that time, and the community had Joe back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they did, like black people.
Speaker 6: A big reason why I wasn't fired at that point,
Speaker 6: I think, I know it was because the high level
Speaker 6: of support that I had in the community, and not
Speaker 6: just from people at the grassroots level, but you know,
Speaker 6: you know, Colin Kaepernick was I think the first person
Speaker 6: who tweeted, the first celebrity or that ILK who tweeted
Speaker 6: his support of me.
Speaker 5: And then you had d Wade and Daryl.
Speaker 6: Yeah, everybody was watching, and so they really wrapped their
Speaker 6: arms around me and ESPN seeing that Lebron James as well,
Speaker 6: seeing that, they said, okay, you know, after they didn't
Speaker 6: suspend me immediately after the Trump comments because of that,
Speaker 6: because they knew they were gonna have a bigger problem
Speaker 6: on their hand because y'all was riding for me. So
Speaker 6: so yeah, I mean, I say all that to say
Speaker 6: is that when you go through those moments, and I
Speaker 6: tell younger people this too, especially as they're starting their career,
Speaker 6: regardless if you had ESPN or if you had a
Speaker 6: station in a small town, regardless of the career even
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 5: You gotta know who you are before you go in
Speaker 5: the door.
Speaker 6: And if you don't know who you are before you
Speaker 6: go in there, that will get you into more trouble
Speaker 6: than anything else. If you know who you are, you
Speaker 6: know what you won't accept, and you know what your
Speaker 6: boundary is. There's a lot of thousand things a lot
Speaker 6: of us will let slide as we try to make
Speaker 6: our way in whatever profession that we're in. They gonna
Speaker 6: come two or three moments where you're gonna have to
Speaker 6: be You're just gonna have to be like, I ain't
Speaker 6: the one.
Speaker 5: You know, I was gonna ask you about that.
Speaker 6: I was like, cause you make it sound real easy,
Speaker 6: but we know that's like a maturation process. Oh totally,
Speaker 6: it's not like And sometimes it's trial and error. Sometimes
Speaker 6: you look at way where you didn't speak up and
Speaker 6: you have to live with that, and but it teaches
Speaker 6: you the next time that pops up, like you know
Speaker 6: what I didn't before?
Speaker 5: But see now now y'all got the wrong one, And
Speaker 5: so society didn flip me.
Speaker 6: I used to talk real loud a lot, and then
Speaker 6: I just got to quiet it down because so many
Speaker 6: people told me to shut the fuck up.
Speaker 5: So now it's like it is it okay now? Always
Speaker 5: too much for somebody.
Speaker 6: That's the thing is that that's the constant black existence
Speaker 6: is that we could do nothing and be too much
Speaker 6: for people.
Speaker 5: Our existence is too much for people.
Speaker 2: Existent.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's why we can the only people are
Speaker 6: the only thing that we can do is really be ourselves.
Speaker 6: But you're right, it takes years, and it takes growth
Speaker 6: and leverage the other thing too that certainly, I mean,
Speaker 6: let's just be real. It's like at that point in
Speaker 6: my time, in my in my career at ESPN, I
Speaker 6: have been able to make some bags, you know, and
Speaker 6: I knew that if we had to come to a
Speaker 6: decision where I wasn't gonna be there anymore, that that
Speaker 6: wasn't gonna come without a check. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 6: and I felt like I was gonna be insulated financially regardless,
Speaker 6: and even if I wasn't as far as ESPN, even
Speaker 6: if I didn't walk away with h with a check,
Speaker 6: that it was uh, you know, there would be interest
Speaker 6: in me to where I could make more money. So
Speaker 6: it wasn't a situation where I thought that there was
Speaker 6: gonna be I mean, I'm sure there was gonna be
Speaker 6: some networks that wouldn't have messed with me, don't get
Speaker 6: me wrong, but I would have been able to make
Speaker 6: a living.
Speaker 5: Right, So and ABJ was still like she the ship, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it was it was still all right
Speaker 6: and all I But what it did teach me, though,
Speaker 6: is something that we learned, you know, at various points,
Speaker 6: or sometimes it take us a long time to learn,
Speaker 6: is that any relationship you have with an employer is conditional.
Speaker 6: It's a completely conditional relationship and you need to you
Speaker 6: need to treat it as such.
Speaker 2: And HR is not your fucking friend, not your.
Speaker 5: Friend ever at all.
Speaker 6: Ever, this is a conditional relationship, which is we should
Speaker 6: give you and empower you more to be true to yourself.
Speaker 6: And you know, despite all the relationships I built at ESPN,
Speaker 6: despite all the time I've been there and felt like,
Speaker 6: you know, I did my job quite capably, if not
Speaker 6: better than that, the truth is is that when the
Speaker 6: president came after me, they didn't say shit. And that
Speaker 6: was a very important lesson for me to learn about.
Speaker 4: You know, they didn't.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's one thing, I mean, and it's it's
Speaker 6: a cold thing too. Because in journalism, you know, I
Speaker 6: mean you check that a black concept. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 6: I mean in journalism especially. You know, I worked for
Speaker 6: newspapers before I got to ESPN, and there was always
Speaker 6: just to understood code, like when you go after city
Speaker 6: hall or city hall comes after you, you got to
Speaker 6: stand with your people. Because part of what makes democracy
Speaker 6: work is a free press. You have to have a
Speaker 6: free function in press. People that are in the president's
Speaker 6: position have to know you cannot attack citizens and you
Speaker 6: cannot attack members of the press, because that's not how
Speaker 6: our democracy works.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: The whole thing about you know, being a journalist is
Speaker 6: that you're supposed to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.
Speaker 5: And so that's why there has to be.
Speaker 6: An understood code in media that when the city hall
Speaker 6: comes after you, you protect your people. Now, however ESPN
Speaker 6: wants to deal with me internally is another matter. But
Speaker 6: when the President decided to put my name in his
Speaker 6: mouth or in his tweet, is when I expected ESPN
Speaker 6: to say something and say, all right, hold up, now,
Speaker 6: if she gonna be a problem, she are a problem.
Speaker 5: She ain't right, and that didn't happen.
Speaker 6: And honestly, that's the most disappointed I've ever been in
Speaker 6: working there.
Speaker 5: Because that's not the way that goes.
Speaker 6: I've been in situations and newspapers and seeing how people
Speaker 6: have stood by their people.
Speaker 5: That's how it's supposed to be.
Speaker 6: And even the NFL, as raggedy as they are, the
Speaker 6: moment he called them sons of bitches.
Speaker 5: What happened? They all tightened up. That's what you're supposed
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 6: So I was talking to my man the other day
Speaker 6: and based on watching what the MLB and MLB, the NFL,
Speaker 6: and the NBA are doing.
Speaker 5: Does it seem like good karma that everything is working
Speaker 5: out right for the NBA, But the.
Speaker 6: NFL and the MLB when it comes it comes to
Speaker 6: just like they are like, is it just me? I mean, meanwhile,
Speaker 6: the NBA got Black Lives Matter all on this on
Speaker 6: the thing. They safe in their bubble.
Speaker 5: It's like, but well, but what is it? It does
Speaker 5: teach you something about the value of leadership.
Speaker 6: And the thing is you have Adam Silver, the commissioner
Speaker 6: of the NBA, but you also have the de facto
Speaker 6: commissioner and Lebron James right here the de facto commissioner. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so you you have this and you also have a
Speaker 6: black woman who's the head of the players union, Michelle Roberts,
Speaker 6: and the three of them collectively have exhibited such amazing leadership,
Speaker 6: particularly during COVID. I mean, not only are they in
Speaker 6: the bubble, No NBA players have tested positive since they've
Speaker 6: been in the bubble. They also are testing out saliva
Speaker 6: test for COVID because they spot they they have funded
Speaker 6: these tests and they're gonna use the players as guinea
Speaker 6: pigs because these are saliva tests that you would get
Speaker 6: in minutes, the results in minutes. Because part of that's
Speaker 6: part of the issue with the testing now is like
Speaker 6: people are having to wait seventeen to fourteen days just
Speaker 6: to get a result.
Speaker 2: You get exposed again exactly time, right.
Speaker 6: Or yeah, or you think about the number of people
Speaker 6: you may expose because you don't know if you got
Speaker 6: it right.
Speaker 5: So they are at the forefront. I mean, who would
Speaker 5: have thought in twenty twenty.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's been a strange year because we got
Speaker 6: Taylor Swift way more woke than Kanye Wow, don't do
Speaker 6: that perspective that was but it's it's true though, like
Speaker 6: Taylor Swift out here leading black people to freedom, not
Speaker 6: Kanye No.
Speaker 5: Don't wait wait.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: When I saw Kim Kardashian talk about free and c murders,
Speaker 3: it's just like, yo, what happened car?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 5: Say what? And if she able to get him free, look,
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, just trying to stay in because her
Speaker 5: husband fucking up. But whatever, go ahead.
Speaker 6: Black people don't fall for it, even if she gets
Speaker 6: the murder out. Don't fall for black people, like don't
Speaker 6: let this be like I'm a dope for Donald Trump?
Speaker 6: Like no, no, until she gives us our asses back
Speaker 6: in our hair and everything else.
Speaker 5: But it's not so much about her.
Speaker 6: Is that one thing that we need to understand, Like
Speaker 6: those acts, individual acts are great, giving back to the community,
Speaker 6: and that's great. Charity does not fix structural racism, doesn't
Speaker 6: fix it, right because you get se murder out, But
Speaker 6: what about And I don't know.
Speaker 5: If y'all watched uh uh the.
Speaker 6: Watching it like watching that yes on BZ yep, watching
Speaker 6: that and seeing I mean I knew that Louisiana had
Speaker 6: a racist criminal justice system much like most states in
Speaker 6: this country. They on another level. They god standard. It's
Speaker 6: a whole state, a gold standard of racism. And seeing
Speaker 6: se Murder's case, but also the other dude, Mack, what
Speaker 6: happened to him?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 5: Like, how is this possible in America?
Speaker 6: So, Kim Kardashian freeing Se Murder isn't gonna address that,
Speaker 6: is what I'm saying. And so that's not to belittle
Speaker 6: what it would mean for Sea Murder to be out
Speaker 6: of jail, but like, yeah, like you said, like I
Speaker 6: would have never in a million years, but like, so
Speaker 6: Kim Kardashian is gonna lead Se Murder the freedom.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm surprised she knows well hit him ala
Speaker 4: for all of that.
Speaker 5: What's up with meya? He's still in there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been a it's been a really crazy year.
Speaker 6: But at any rate, I guess to get back to
Speaker 6: your original question, is that who would have thought that?
Speaker 6: And again it's what I was saying about sports sometimes
Speaker 6: leading away and leading in ways society can't that the
Speaker 6: most competent, cohesive response to COVID nineteen has been the
Speaker 6: NBA by far.
Speaker 4: All right, so now now I feel all off key.
Speaker 4: Going back to another sports question. In your childhood, what
Speaker 4: made you did you initially? When did you develop this
Speaker 4: passion for sports? Because I'm I'm I'm curious at anyone
Speaker 4: who really commits to something that they themselves aren't involved in,
Speaker 4: you know, like it's it's possible to be to faan
Speaker 4: music and participating in it. For a lot of people,
Speaker 4: their knowledge of sports just as spectators is amazing to me.
Speaker 4: First of all, are you an all around sports person
Speaker 4: or like, do you have the same passion for golf
Speaker 4: and that you do well?
Speaker 5: I do love to bowl. I am a I'm a
Speaker 5: hell of a bowler.
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 5: Y'all want some young come get them straight up? Oh wow,
Speaker 5: yes that's right. I'm handing out ass whippers on the lane.
Speaker 4: So you know, you're talking a lot for a person
Speaker 4: that has a hometown with only one movie theater in it.
Speaker 4: But that's okay.
Speaker 6: But you know what, we got a lot of bowling
Speaker 6: allts because we're because a winner like you need to
Speaker 6: have Yeah, you need to have activity. So people a
Speaker 6: lot of people from Detroit, Michigan period can bowl like
Speaker 6: that was our thing. But to answer your question, is
Speaker 6: you know I would ask you the same about music.
Speaker 6: I'm sure there's a time where you don't even remember
Speaker 6: not loving music, right, and so I don't there was
Speaker 6: a time. I don't remember not loving sports. It wasn't
Speaker 6: I don't recall being introduced to sports. I just recall
Speaker 6: from the beginning. I love sports.
Speaker 5: I love Did you grow up with your mom and
Speaker 5: your grandmom?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean my mother she was, I mean she's
Speaker 6: she was, she's been married before. She just didn't marry
Speaker 6: my biological father and so but as I like to
Speaker 6: mess with her, but it's true though, it's all facts.
Speaker 6: My first step father all got one. Yeah, my first
Speaker 6: step father was somebody who was also into sports. And
Speaker 6: you know, I was the neighborhood tomboy, right. So I
Speaker 6: was out there playing you know, uh football and you know,
Speaker 6: playing basketball and freeze tag and you know everything.
Speaker 5: Uh two not we didn't call it two step What
Speaker 5: was it. I'll think of what we used to call it.
Speaker 2: But I was mother not mother may I no?
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, kickball, all of that. So I was
Speaker 6: always out like kind of rough housing with the boys.
Speaker 6: I mean it was sort of frustrated my mother, not
Speaker 6: that she wanted me necessarily a girl, be a girly girl.
Speaker 5: She'd just been like, why are you always playing with
Speaker 5: the boys. It's so rough? And so that was that
Speaker 5: was always me and what.
Speaker 2: Did your folks do?
Speaker 5: So my mother a bit of a jack of all trades.
Speaker 6: I mean, she's like worked at the post office, she's
Speaker 6: she had her own cleaning service by trade. Though she
Speaker 6: was a medical laboratory technician. And both my parents are
Speaker 6: recovering drug addicts. So my dad he is uh, well
Speaker 6: he retired, as I should say, a clinical drug therapist.
Speaker 5: So so he does like counseling and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Is this your stepdad, that's your biological.
Speaker 6: Dad, my biological father, my stepfather. Uh, the first one
Speaker 6: was like some kind of computer engineer, and my current stepfather.
Speaker 5: Look, I'm just telling no judgment. I make it no judgment.
Speaker 2: Oh this was this is a public.
Speaker 6: Thank you. You couldn't look this up and you would
Speaker 6: know she she just oh number two. I mean, hell,
Speaker 6: my grandma got a rab so I'm mean. But uh,
Speaker 6: but my second step father he retired from the auto
Speaker 6: industry because you know, Detroit's factory town, so he worked
Speaker 6: at the plant for many years. But no, I mean
Speaker 6: it's like sports always came natural in terms of both
Speaker 6: playing and watching it, and you know it was odd
Speaker 6: because I knew, I'm I'm very fortunate is that I
Speaker 6: knew I wanted to be a sports journalist when I
Speaker 6: was around ninth or tenth grade. Uh, And I was
Speaker 6: one of those people who who never really deviated from that.
Speaker 6: You know, usually you switched careers four or five times.
Speaker 6: And it's not like I knew any sports journalists per se.
Speaker 6: But the thing is, because of where technology was during
Speaker 6: that time, in order for you to keep up with
Speaker 6: your sports teams, you had to read the newspaper. So
Speaker 6: I had to read the sports sections to keep up,
Speaker 6: you know, with the Tigers and the Pistons and everybody else.
Speaker 6: And that is what introduced me to newspapers. So when
Speaker 6: I got to high school, I worked for my high
Speaker 6: school newspaper. I got an apprenticeship at the local paper then,
Speaker 6: and also in high school, I started answering phones in
Speaker 6: the sports department of this same newspaper and the rest
Speaker 6: I went on from there.
Speaker 5: I majored in journalism.
Speaker 6: I've only done this, Like, don't I'm not even equipped
Speaker 6: to do shit else, Like the only other job that
Speaker 6: I had, That's true, I'm like, I'm not equipped to
Speaker 6: do shit else. The only other jobs that I've had
Speaker 6: outside of journalism was I delivered phone books during what
Speaker 6: I know. That's how I'm seven thousand years old. I
Speaker 6: was like, I delivered phone books to earn some extra
Speaker 6: money for ring break and.
Speaker 4: They still make phone books.
Speaker 6: Dog, I like this, this is like the this is
Speaker 6: the late nineties, Like they were still making phone books
Speaker 6: and it was so heavy, and I got to say,
Speaker 6: the game must be crazy.
Speaker 5: Oh my god. I got paid like seventy cent per
Speaker 5: phone book delivered, Like oh god, it was fu o
Speaker 5: way more than that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that shit was labor and that's what I knew.
Speaker 6: I was like physical laborer and me will never get along,
Speaker 6: Like it's just not happening, that, ain't it? So? I yeah,
Speaker 6: I had internships in college. I even interned at the
Speaker 6: Philadelphia Choirer. I interned there, so so in Philly? I
Speaker 6: did I've lived in Philly?
Speaker 2: Yup?
Speaker 4: No, wonder you heard of the roots. I refuse to
Speaker 4: believe it. I looked at it.
Speaker 6: I was like, no, no, but one of my internships
Speaker 6: questions like, no, bullshit. It was nineteen ninety four. I
Speaker 6: think I was an intern at the Free Press with
Speaker 6: Detroit Free Press, which is the local paper in Detroit,
Speaker 6: and they assigned me to the features desk, and the
Speaker 6: music critic at the time did not fuck with R
Speaker 6: and B and hip hop at all, so he said,
Speaker 6: you can have all R and B and hip hop.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna stick to this Bruce Springsteen over here. And
Speaker 6: it was all good because you know, Aliyah's album dropped
Speaker 6: that year.
Speaker 5: It was the Roots.
Speaker 6: It was like so many different artists that dropped that year.
Speaker 6: My CD collection was banging after that summer.
Speaker 3: Joints Joy was like it was promos when I worked
Speaker 3: in the for our college newspapers.
Speaker 2: So I mean, this is the campus echo es Central
Speaker 2: and I would get promos.
Speaker 5: You get a hard time and tell them that's what
Speaker 5: I used to do.
Speaker 6: I'd sell them, yes, sell the ones I don't want,
Speaker 6: or I said, say, this was nineteen ninety five by bag,
Speaker 6: but like yeah, So that summer that I was interning
Speaker 6: at the Free Press, the reporters went on strike and
Speaker 6: the Free Press is also was at the time owned
Speaker 6: by the same people who owned the Philadelphia in Choir,
Speaker 6: which is how I got the Philly because they sent
Speaker 6: me to Philly. One of my girls was already working
Speaker 6: at the Philadelphia Inquirer, so I didn't even live in Philly.
Speaker 5: Proper. I lived in McDade mcdave Boulevard. Damn yeah, I lived.
Speaker 6: In mcday man. I had to catch a bus and
Speaker 6: a bus in the train to get to the Philadelphia
Speaker 6: Acquirer downtown.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: Hold up, we need more time with Jamail Hill, and
Speaker 6: therefore you'll get it.
Speaker 5: So this was part one. Stay tuned for part.
Speaker 6: Two of our interview with Jamail Hill on Questlove Supreme
Speaker 6: next Wednesday.
Speaker 5: You don't want to miss it. It just gets better.
Speaker 5: It's so good.
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