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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Yo, What's Up?

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Speaker 3: This is fon Tigelow from Team Supreme. We all celebrating

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Speaker 3: Black History Month of QLs and releasing new weekly interviews

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Speaker 3: with some incredible guests from film and music. In the meantime,

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Speaker 3: we've selected some special classic episodes as well, which we

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Speaker 3: run on Mondays. This classic two part of CURLSS is

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Speaker 3: from September twenty twenty, and it is with the incredible

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Speaker 3: my homie, my friend.

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Speaker 4: Jamail Hill.

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Speaker 3: Jamail is not only someone to call a friend, she's

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Speaker 3: one of the most important voices in sports, where she

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Speaker 3: always leaves in art, politics and social.

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Speaker 3: In part one, Jamail joined amyr like Eas, Steve and

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Speaker 3: I to talk TV, movies and life. Sometimes these are

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Speaker 3: the best discussions on QLSS and we just talk on

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Speaker 3: our shit. It's also a little time capsule back three

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Speaker 3: and a half years ago.

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Speaker 4: Enjoy all Right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to what I

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Speaker 4: think is guaranteed to be a highly interesting episode of

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Speaker 4: Plus Love Supreme. You might as well consider this ease

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Speaker 4: dropping in on a conversation already in progress, just to

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Speaker 4: give you, guys a preface. We practically started this episode

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Speaker 4: about five to six hours ago on the QLs chat

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Speaker 4: when Laia has discovered the fonte Salmon and Smoothies, I'd say, Salmon,

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Speaker 4: Salmon and Smoothies episode yes, of our of our guests,

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Speaker 4: on my end inn all day research excursion on the

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Speaker 4: Bad Boy trilogy. And I'm talking about the movie, not

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Speaker 4: Rabbit Bull, which is old another episode. Anyway, give me

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Speaker 4: just give you guys a heads up. We might not

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Speaker 4: even get to a real like Jamail Hill question to

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Speaker 4: like forty six minutes forty six minutes into the episode. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: if you're still listening by this point, you know me.

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Speaker 4: You know Laia Fontigelow Sugar Steve shout out to Only Bill,

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Speaker 4: who's not here right now. If he's onst he's he's

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Speaker 4: only Bill. He might as well be Only Bill, our

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Speaker 4: guest has been a big deal for over a decade.

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Speaker 4: If you haven't caught up right now in the overpopulated,

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Speaker 4: toxic male atmosphere world of ESPN, she came to our

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Speaker 4: attention now as a member of the beloved sports talk

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Speaker 4: show His and Her on ESPN two with Michael Smith.

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Speaker 4: What Mike Uh? Soon following being a staple on Sports Center,

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Speaker 4: a thinker and uh, even as a non sports guy,

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Speaker 4: hear me right now, Steve, I'm not doing okay. Even

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Speaker 4: as a non sports guy, I can attest that her

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Speaker 4: screen banter. Uh. And then twenty sixteen came and need

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Speaker 4: I say more, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to QLs

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Speaker 4: UH from the Atlantic and my current favorite podcast, Jamil

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Speaker 4: Hill is Unbothered. Also my other other bens, my other

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Speaker 4: a wire recap show with Van Lathan, which is probably

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Speaker 4: the wire. I only no, I'm saying, anytime I hear

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Speaker 4: about the wire being broken down, it's always by white people.

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Speaker 4: So much to say, ladies and gentlemen, I can't wait

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Speaker 4: for this efficition, effication.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say you just made a new word, made

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Speaker 4: Yes, this efication. Please welcome Jamil Hill.

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Speaker 5: To thank you, Hello, old friend, and what up, old friend?

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Speaker 6: This is This is a great moment for me to

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Speaker 6: glad you you provided me this space because me and

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Speaker 6: Tigiloa can keep arguing.

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Speaker 5: About dude, we gotta get Let me keep arguing it.

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Speaker 4: I watched after after that initial chat, I sat in

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Speaker 4: my office all day watching. I recapped Bad Boys Too.

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Speaker 4: Still don't like it. No, I'm shocked that it.

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Speaker 5: Was not good.

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Speaker 4: I'm just not good. Just I'm shocked that's your favorite.

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Speaker 5: I don't get it. I don't get it.

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Speaker 4: And here's the thing. This is what has me sort

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Speaker 4: are you still standing on that hill that Bad Boys

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Speaker 5: I'm standing on the hill that nobody.

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Speaker 6: We should let people know that Fonte had never seen

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Speaker 6: part one and part two until.

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Speaker 4: As he's about to watch three. And I do not.

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Speaker 6: Think that you should compare something that happened fifteen to

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Speaker 4: But I can say that you were genuinely perplexed that

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Speaker 2: Well, let me be clear.

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Speaker 3: I think it's I think Bad Boys One is classic,

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Speaker 3: But as I was in the group Chess, I think

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Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of things that make something a classic.

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Speaker 3: I didn't think it was a good movie, but it

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Speaker 2: I will not say it was a good movie.

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Speaker 5: Its classic era.

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Speaker 4: Nigga.

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Speaker 5: I was there.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have to see the ship.

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Speaker 5: What you talking about.

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Speaker 2: I saw the movie. I lived there. I saw what

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Speaker 2: it was. I saw it's these two niggas on film.

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Speaker 2: I know what it was. I was in the era.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying is is that, like, are you saying

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Speaker 4: that had Fonte been of age in nineteen ninety four

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Speaker 4: have thought Bad Boys One was a classical film.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's like a millennial watching Do the Right Thing

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Speaker 3: Nah, that's not true because I saw my show my

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, but you know what it is certain movies that

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Speaker 6: I mean I saw Bad Boy when you know, right

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Speaker 5: But there's other shit that we have.

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Speaker 6: It just don't age well. And like I think this

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Speaker 6: hold up. It's cheesy, it's corny. I'm shocked that you

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Speaker 6: have all these brand new racers. It's definitely racist. Right,

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Speaker 4: Shocking you saw two times, didn't you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, I watch.

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Speaker 2: It, Yeah, I watch it. Whatever's on. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 6: But you have al Pacino, you have f Murray Abraham,

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Speaker 6: I mean, I've never been on that bandwagon that this

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Speaker 3: Like that's just it ain't even in the same category

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Speaker 4: You do understand why that film at sentimental meaning though,

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Speaker 4: right Scarf? Often do we get to see someone stick

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Speaker 5: It's about it's a rags to riches story.

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Speaker 6: It's the Cuban Superfly, Yes, basically like that. And that's

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Speaker 4: I have not seen Superfly yet, is it worth I'm

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Speaker 6: I'm telling you you you don't want to choke somebody

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Speaker 5: The new one. Man they got what's his name? Damn?

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Speaker 5: I Trevor Jackson.

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Speaker 6: Right, they got Trevor Jackson with a with a dope

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Speaker 6: ass Hawaiian silky And it's just like Superfly has advanced.

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Speaker 6: It's crazy because Superfly has advanced from you know how

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Speaker 6: I used to get his money.

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Speaker 5: This dude now is in bitcoin.

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Speaker 6: We like, look, Harriet Tubman didn't point to the North

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Speaker 6: Star for this motherfucker to be into bitcoin, Like that's

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Speaker 5: I'm like, this, what were doing?

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Speaker 6: He got a whole bitcoin electronic operation.

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Speaker 5: I was like, I'll be damn, like, I just I can't.

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Speaker 2: They had to bring it. They had to bring it

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Speaker 5: You know, a crypto currency don't go together.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I agree, but I mean I saluted for

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Speaker 2: You know a movie I watched the night I saw on.

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Speaker 3: at all, Like Beverly Hills Cop is fucking Coppaganda.

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Speaker 2: Dude, Like, I'm looking at this and it's and it's

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Speaker 3: I mean, but I'm just like, Yo, this nig is

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Speaker 6: I am bound by Detroit and it's not to talk

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Speaker 6: because if you in the movie. He wore a T

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Speaker 6: Ass oh wow, yeah, because Jerry Bruckenheimer Actually he went

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Speaker 5: Look trivia that you can literally do nothing with. So

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Speaker 4: Now. If we live for useless information on this show,

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Speaker 4: we lived for that. Yeah. I was gonna say that

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Speaker 4: already today. I've had enough research with that. I'm almost bored.

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Speaker 4: Line afraid to ask Fante his opinion. I want to

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Speaker 3: On on Lovecraft Country love Craft County.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, I haven't watched it yet, all right, yo.

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Speaker 3: I really liked it, and I'm not I love it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know what

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Speaker 3: it is, yo, I fuck with love Craft. I'll see

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Speaker 3: where it goes, you know what I mean. But they

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Speaker 3: I'm fucking with it.

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Speaker 4: And I watched it in real time, and it is

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Speaker 3: At That's what I'm doing with I may destroy you,

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm doing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody's saying it's it's it's great, it's worth it's

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Speaker 3: No, No, all the feedback I heard from it from

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Speaker 6: I mean, and I want to stay with Jamel to

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Speaker 6: like Sundays No Offense, but black women are killing it,

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Speaker 6: like Lena waf Misha Green Katoy from Pea Valley.

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Speaker 5: Y y'all on Pea Valley.

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Speaker 4: Hit me, do that? Hit me? Do that?

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Speaker 6: Hit me?

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Speaker 5: That's the name, right, So it is season that's right.

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Speaker 6: But it's it's a it's something that you you don't

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 6: Written by a wonderful writer that I've gotten a chance

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Speaker 6: because they'll show Uncle Clifford, who is a let's not

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Speaker 4: Fluid or he's fluid.

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Speaker 6: I think he I mean, he's very gay, but he

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Speaker 5: Sometimes he may be dressed up.

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Speaker 6: From like Frida Callo and he runs the club, Thank

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: For sure. They play with you a.

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Speaker 5: They're trying to satisfy everybody.

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Speaker 4: Yes, time out. Isaiah Washington's in this.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's the part way I know, I know

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Speaker 3: I haven't followed. I don't, I haven't followed. I said,

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Speaker 5: And it's just like, man, I don't know what happened

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Speaker 6: over that part of it, it's still a wonderfully done

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Speaker 2: My wife watched that.

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Speaker 5: I watched it though, yeah, Washington and.

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Speaker 4: Pot But I'm going to finish.

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Speaker 5: That, yeah, the pilot.

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Speaker 6: I have the budget, my TV time better, is what

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Speaker 5: Tuesday's million dollars at your episode?

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Speaker 6: Now? Can we can we talk about listen?

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Speaker 5: Me and me and the boyfriend over here. We're rather addicted.

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Speaker 6: It can be a new episode coming on or an

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Speaker 4: From watch Stevie, I haven't seen any of the bad Boys.

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Speaker 7: Wave man, but uh yeah right now, I don't watch

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know that their names, but

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Speaker 6: Man. That's you need to get with Below Deck because

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Speaker 6: Below Deck is awesome and amazing. It follows different crews

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Speaker 6: black people, Yo, that's jamil yo.

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Speaker 5: I got it in.

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Speaker 6: So I guess they'll give you the bones of what

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Speaker 5: You know, they follow they put you in the location.

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Speaker 5: So me, five of the my homegirls win.

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Speaker 6: So it's six of us, six black women on a

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Speaker 5: Uh and they showing the cameras just showing me.

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Speaker 6: It had just focused on me and I am literally

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Speaker 5: It was the drunk items.

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Speaker 6: But I was drunk as fun because we have been

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Speaker 5: I was like, thank god, Oh.

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Speaker 2: My goodness, wow yo.

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Speaker 6: Wait below questions though, like how many people are actually

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Speaker 5: High like maybe like six of the cute crew members, right.

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Speaker 6: And then I also wanted to ask you about that

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Speaker 5: I mean the crew.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot bigger crew than what you see on

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Speaker 6: Well, I knew she was just a bitch because I

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Speaker 6: I known that, we might have had a different conversation then.

444
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 6: Oh but we her and I were cool. I mean

445
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 6: the day that my episode aired on Bravo, her and

446
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 6: I were texting that day like we're still cool. Like

447
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 6: it's no beef whatsoever. I think it was just like

448
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 6: a misunderstanding that. Of course, not surprisingly that Reality TV

449
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,640
Speaker 6: blew up the other part about the tip. So one

450
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 6: of the big moments in the show is there's a

451
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,879
Speaker 6: tip reveal at the end, and this is where.

452
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 5: You figure out like, all right, who really got some

453
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 5: money over here?

454
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 6: Oh here, we got to understand it's like what it's

455
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 6: like seven people that got to be tipped out, right,

456
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 6: like seven to eight people? Yeah, so you mean leaving money? Yes,

457
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 6: like a tip. So this you're getting the yacht. The

458
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 6: way it works is you're getting the yacht at a

459
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,640
Speaker 6: very discounted rate. Okay, not like what it normally would

460
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 6: cost to be on a super yacht or mega yacht.

461
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 6: So you're getting the yacht at a discounted rate, and

462
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 6: you know that they fly you out there, they put

463
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 6: you up in a hotel the night before. In our case,

464
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 6: we wanted to spend some time in Thailand, so me

465
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 6: and my girls have been out there for a good

466
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 6: four or five days before we even got to the charter,

467
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 6: So we have been kicking in the Thailand from Thailand

468
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 6: for a little bit. So anyway, you know, watching the show,

469
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 6: what's considered a good tip and what's considered just an

470
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 6: okay tip, and what's considered a great tip. Anything below

471
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,199
Speaker 6: twenty grand is a shitty tip. Anything below twenty Like

472
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 6: if you're like, like when you should see their faces

473
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 6: when they get like fifteen or sixteen or whatever. They're

474
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 6: just like, what that's it? Because they're going by what

475
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 6: is the cost of it? What is the normal cost?

476
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 6: What it is for this hot that you're getting discounted already,

477
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 6: So my goal was like we going twenty and up,

478
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 6: you know, and then even the night before the show,

479
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 6: what happens is that there's a there's a base fifteen

480
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 6: thousand dollars tip built in col You tell us truth,

481
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 6: I'm fifteen thousand dollars built in, so you know, if

482
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 6: somebody just gives fifteen or they give seventeen they really

483
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 6: hated their service, or the cheapest. Fuck, it's like one

484
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 6: of the two, right because like if they give you

485
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 6: if the starting point is fifteen and the producers hit

486
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 6: you the night before that, you're leaving the charter and

487
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 6: they say, would you like to leave an additional tip?

488
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 5: Because they, you know, they bring the cash for you.

489
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 6: So it's not like people don't just magically have like

490
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 6: twenty grand and cash like they you know, you've worked

491
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 6: out that arrangement beforehand, so I knew minimum we were

492
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 6: gonna leave twenty grand, So that's what we left like

493
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 6: we left twenty because we did really like the service

494
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 6: and we thought we had a great time. And so

495
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 6: as you see from the episode, they were very happy

496
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 6: about our tip because they know what the base point is.

497
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 6: And then for us to be kick in another five

498
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 6: grand there it is.

499
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 4: Wait can I ask? So you're saying that the whole

500
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 4: premise of the show is how not hospitable, but how

501
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 4: your tipping action is? That's the whole goal of the show.

502
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 6: The whole premise of the show is to get you

503
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 6: and your friends, your homies, whatever, on this yacht. They

504
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 6: y'all all the alcohol that you want, all the food

505
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 6: that you want, because it's a chef that because before

506
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 6: you even step foot on the yacht, you are given

507
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 6: what they call preference sheets, so you fill out the

508
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 6: person who's the primary charter guests, the person who gets

509
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 6: to determine everything that is done there. In this case,

510
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 6: it was me. It's like, okay, so let's say I

511
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 6: hate ribs or I want I only want Chilean sea

512
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 6: bass for dinner, Like you put that on this sheet,

513
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 6: so they have all your preferences, what kind of snacks

514
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 6: you want, what kind of liquor you want, like everything

515
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 6: laid out.

516
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 5: The point is to combine people who.

517
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 6: They think will be a little extra with a crew

518
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 6: that's trying to work hard to get their tip, and

519
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 6: then alcohol and see what happens.

520
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 4: Yo. I would have loved to been a fly in

521
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 4: the room when this pitch was being made.

522
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 6: Yes, but it's brilliant though. I mean, the show is

523
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 6: like super successful and you.

524
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 4: Know what, Wait, Steve, are you getting any flashbacks about

525
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 4: this story? She's telling me and Steve are world fame

526
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 4: like all throughout maybe two thousand and five to two

527
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 4: thousand and nine, the dynamics between Steve and I. If

528
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 4: you don't know Jamillo, Steve has been my recording engineer

529
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 4: for the longest, for like the di'angelo stuff, the common stuff,

530
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 4: the roots stuff, like, oh, he's been my engineer. So

531
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 4: we would go to restaurants and usually, you know, I

532
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 4: would pay the bill, and I have a theory like

533
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 4: I'm one of those over compensatory nouveau reche people that

534
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 4: has to like overdo the tipping because I have this

535
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 4: thing in my head about well, first of all, like

536
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 4: they have expectations like they're not going to tip whatever.

537
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 4: I've heard that before. But more than that, I just

538
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 4: if I like a restaurant, I don't want them tating

539
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 4: with my foods. I make sure I leave a good tip.

540
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 4: So one time Steve insisted on leaving a good tip,

541
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 4: or leaving paying the bill and leaving a tip, and

542
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 4: I let him do it, and then somewhere in the car,

543
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 4: I said, wait a minute, I left my cell phone

544
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 4: and snuck back in the restaurant just to see what

545
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 4: he left. And I didn't like it, so I like

546
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 4: put more on top of it, and man Steve was

547
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 4: right behind me. I knew you didn't trust what I left.

548
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 4: That's why I came back in there. Like literally, that's

549
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 4: been our whole dynamic. Steve doesn't trust my not trusting

550
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 4: him tipping like that is our whole dynamic.

551
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 2: That sounds like a loving friendship.

552
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 5: It does.

553
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 6: And you use your stripper club standard for tipping, Okay, that's.

554
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: Just the strip what's the strip club standard?

555
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 6: Well, at this point, I mean in college it was

556
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 6: twenty so it got to be like twenty five to

557
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 6: thirty percent at this point, right, So if you tip

558
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 6: in twenty five at the strip club, you gotta do that.

559
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 4: There's different rules for cats like me. You gotta. Yes,

560
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 4: I leave more than what the bill is worth.

561
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean but some of it too though.

562
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 6: It's just that we know, especially like this is this

563
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 6: is black trauma.

564
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 5: This is what I call black trauma.

565
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 6: That's why, Yes, this is black trauma, because not only

566
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 6: are you famous, but like even if you weren't famous,

567
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 6: It's like, I think a lot of us feel like

568
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 6: we got to compensate for the stereotype that we don't tip,

569
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 6: and so I.

570
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 3: Gotta I gotta tip, well so that the black people

571
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: to come after me, get treated treated correct.

572
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 4: Which Yeah, like one time we took James Poyser for

573
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 4: it's like thirtieth birthday to a club and they did

574
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 4: not come to our table at all.

575
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 5: You went to want on white strimp?

576
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 4: What else is left? What am I going to go

577
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 4: to the left?

578
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 5: This is why you need to watch Pee Valley? Are

579
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 5: you kidding me?

580
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 6: What else is left besides the white?

581
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 4: There was no no Philadelphia. There was no Vanity whatever

582
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 4: that name that Philly. And when I asked a girl

583
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 4: that worked there, I found out that Allan Iverson basically

584
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 4: ruined tipping in Philadelphia for like the entire city, like

585
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 4: anywhere that he frequents, he doesn't pay the bill, doesn't

586
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: pay his tab, all that stuff. So they just assumed

587
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 4: that everyone is non professional.

588
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, back in the day, a out of paper

589
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 6: time you had to go to Fridays.

590
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, I heard Fridays it was a spot.

591
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

592
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 6: So wait, so I'm curious of the of the panel here.

593
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 5: What's the most money y'all? Haven't ever tricked off in

594
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 5: the strip club?

595
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: In the strip club money? I'm really.

596
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 7: Probably whatever? I mean, it gives me to spend I spend.

597
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 7: And by the way, I overtipped when that situation he's

598
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 7: talking about, I overtipped because I knew his mentality and

599
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 7: I tipped more than I ever tipped percentage wise on

600
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 7: any break.

601
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 4: The over overtip.

602
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 5: Damn they ca come up that night.

603
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, answer the question what you were saying,

604
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: like not like what you saying, we were talking about

605
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 3: most ever spent. I think for me, the thinking about it,

606
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: like I always treated strip clubs like a casino, So

607
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: I just go in with a set amount, and when

608
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 3: that amount is gone, I'm going so nicolots.

609
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 4: Yeah for me.

610
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: For me, it's probably like I think the most like

611
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: when I was with the Homies that we be on

612
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: tour and like I think, probably like two hundred dollars.

613
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: Just what Like, I'm not, I'm not.

614
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 4: I'm just I.

615
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 5: Ain't even making it missed. Not ain't even Magic City numbers.

616
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: Man.

617
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: I didn't get a bitches, no promises. I came here

618
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 2: and enjoyed myself. I'm just killing time before I had

619
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: to go to the show. We used to go in.

620
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 3: Like in Detroit, in Detroit downtown because we would play

621
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 3: at Saint Andy's and we would play at uh, we

622
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: would go to It was a spot used to be down.

623
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's still there, haven't.

624
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 6: It was a Bazookies, Yespkis it was.

625
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: It was literally just a spot like we go sound check,

626
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: We go sound check. Is in Greek Town.

627
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: We go sound check and then we're like, all right,

628
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: we got you know, two hours, two and a half hours.

629
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: We won't want to go back to the hotel and

630
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 3: just see if I go into the tail, I'm gon

631
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: lay down and go to sleep, and this is gonna

632
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: be all bad, So fuck it, Let's just.

633
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: Go to Bazuki. So me and the boys just go

634
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: to Bazooki's and you know that's the name of the club,

635
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: and two hundred dollars later getting to the show.

636
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 5: All right, daddy.

637
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: With me? All right? So if I go to a

638
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 4: mainstream jawn and mainstream jowin is like a gentleman's club,

639
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, like if we're in Vegas or

640
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 4: something and it's like that they replace Yeah, yo, wait,

641
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 4: I tell you about Spearmint Rhino Dog. Their their crab

642
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: fries are the best thing on I know it's the

643
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 4: wrong thing to say about strip club. No, Well, one

644
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 4: night after show, we made a stop the Spirit Rhino.

645
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 4: They was, you know, like in whatever the Players club

646
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: where it was like, oh, the tour bus is pulling up,

647
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: the green light comes on, there's money time. No no, no, no, no, no,

648
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 4: no no. We just want to order about twenty crab fries.

649
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 4: And they looked at us like, huh, yes, I only

650
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: went there for the craft fries. If it's a mainstream John,

651
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 4: probably I'll stop it five.

652
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 5: Five, geez, I'll stop it five.

653
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 4: However, okay, back in two thousand and four, you better

654
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 4: remember I went to cause the thing is is that

655
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 4: you haven't lived until you experienced a prime Atlanta strip club.

656
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 4: I agree, now right now, more bang for the bang

657
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 4: for my buck is a spot called Follies.

658
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, everybody said they have the best wings in Atlanta.

659
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's Follies is off the chain. There was

660
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 4: a spot that I went to with Chris Robinson in

661
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 4: like two thousand and four. This is the first time

662
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 4: I'm being introduced to the concept of make it rain.

663
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 4: And Table number one is well known, well loved basketball player.

664
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 4: Table number or two is upstart Atlanta rapper. That's kind

665
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 4: of a household name now and then table number three

666
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 4: was some other sports figure that I think is a

667
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 4: box or whatever, and to watch to watch them and

668
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 4: to watch Chris givet commentary on the art of making

669
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: it rain, Like I didn't realize that the whole point

670
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 4: of going to a strip club in Atlanta is too

671
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: And this is a spot that had a bank inside

672
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 4: of the club. I didn't know that you can have

673
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 4: a bank inside of a club. So to watch these

674
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 4: people wheel out money barrels, like money whatever, like they.

675
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 5: Get college book and for it tonight, yes, yo.

676
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: And I realized that the whole purpose of going to

677
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 4: strip club isn't even to get a lap dance or

678
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 4: any of those things. Like the women were non factor.

679
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: It's about how long can you take this water cash

680
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 4: and make it stay in the air. And there's a

681
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 4: accounting clock. There's there's a clock to the last dollar drops,

682
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: and there's like people are trying to break the record.

683
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: I think Big Boy has the record. I think he

684
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: made like one particular bill stay in the air for

685
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: seventeen seconds, so people are trying to break that record.

686
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 5: I will watch this event in the Olympics.

687
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: I just want to Yeah, we get I think we

688
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: can replace curling with this right here. Oh dude, curling

689
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: can get the fuck what was What.

690
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 4: Was even crazier was that sixty dollars fell in the

691
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 4: crest of my afro, my afro pick in the crest. Wow,

692
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 4: the crest, well, you know, I kept the back, I

693
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 4: kept my afro pick in the back of my head.

694
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 4: So the dollars rolled down and just like in a

695
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 4: nook and cranny, like sat inside there. I swear to

696
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 4: you I was about to remove it so I could

697
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 4: put it on the floor. I wasn't going to steal it. Yo.

698
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 4: They was on me like no, and they'll say, we'll

699
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 4: take that, And they just took the money out of

700
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 4: my afro.

701
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: The strippers did. The strippers did.

702
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 4: No, you're not allowed to touch none of that money,

703
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 4: like you know, slippery, you know slippery a cheesecake factory

704
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 4: floor is. I can't buy it right now because you

705
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: know what I'm telling the truth factory and yes I have.

706
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 5: I don't know. We had carpet at the Gold Club.

707
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, No, I'm saying that that's how slippery the

708
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 4: floor was because there was nothing but money on the floor. Oh,

709
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 4: I didn't get it. So the next time I went,

710
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I better represent So the most

711
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 4: I ever tricked was I was feeling myself that night.

712
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: I brought ten there, but I was also with like

713
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 4: I I was with fifteen people.

714
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 5: Oh okay, you got to balances out.

715
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I mean it's like for me, me and

716
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 6: my homegirls, we look at the strip club as liberation.

717
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 6: So when we go, you know, because one the strip

718
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 6: club has become a really good place for women to

719
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 6: go because we know there are other obviously very naked

720
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 6: women in there, we're unlikely to be bothered.

721
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 5: We can hear good music, and we can get good food.

722
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 6: So it checks the Bengo cars if you really want

723
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 6: just a night out of which your girls are just unadulterated,

724
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 6: pure ignorant ass fun. And we wind up almost always

725
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 6: befriending all the strippers like we have the hottest booth,

726
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 6: Like if you go there with a woman trusts me

727
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 6: or women like, we will have the hottest booth. So

728
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 6: I've had some times in the strip club that what

729
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 6: ruined me is one of the first times I really

730
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 6: went to the strip club. I went with a professional

731
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 6: athlete some of his friends, and they one of them

732
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 6: handed me a stack of tens to make it rain,

733
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 6: and they showed me how to make it rain, and

734
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 6: I was like, why did y'all ever teach me how

735
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 6: to do this? It's so Funy's it's so liberating.

736
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 5: I was like, I could just put this dollar the

737
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 5: crack of the ass as let you put more places

738
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 5: than he'll like.

739
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 6: I had to be like, hey, oh right there, yes, no,

740
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 6: they will get aggressive with other women, So I I

741
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 6: want to say I probably I probably have done maybe

742
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 6: about three, I think, you know, and yeah, maybe a

743
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 6: respectable three. But one of one of my girls as

744
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 6: a bachelor rep uh uh party actually no, as a

745
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 6: birthday present was before I was even a gage, she

746
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 6: got me a stripper gun, which, oh my god, will

747
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 6: you take a stripper gun into the strip club?

748
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 5: How much money does that fit? I think this would

749
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 5: fit like three hundred bucks, and like you just keep

750
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 5: loading the g.

751
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 6: That you want to load it up multiple times, just

752
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 6: real quick. The best of the best strip club I've

753
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 6: probably ever been to. As a spot in Vegas, it's

754
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 6: called it was then called the Palomino. We used to

755
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 6: call it just the Mino. That one of my girls

756
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 6: took me to that who lived in Vegas. But this

757
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 6: was a place where men dance for women.

758
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: And what I had this was I was just about

759
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: to ask you that what is the draw of the

760
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: male strip club for women?

761
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

762
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 5: Well, I mean but this one was off the hood,

763
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 5: so I wouldn't even twist my face up. Okay, I

764
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 5: tell you.

765
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 6: This one was off long socks on the on the

766
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 6: danga lang long size. No, no, it wasn't socks. I mean, yeah,

767
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 6: but I have never seen this ever in life at

768
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 6: the strip club. This dude put his man part in

769
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 6: a hot dog bun and crumpled some chips over it,

770
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 6: and I'd like, it was both the blackest thing I've

771
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 6: ever seen and also the craziest thing I've ever seen in.

772
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 5: The strip put it in there.

773
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 6: And I also realized that that's when one of those

774
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 6: moments when I realized I was a little bit famous,

775
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 6: because they shouted by name out. The DJ did and

776
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 6: this is back when I was at ESPN, and I

777
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 6: was like, and next, like all the dudes I I got,

778
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 6: I had to turn away lap dances. I was like, okay,

779
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 6: so new rule, Like, they can't really know I'm here,

780
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 6: because this is right, this would be a whole thing

781
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 6: and you know with women, when we get a lab

782
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 6: dance with generally you know what they do, like they're

783
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 6: obviously dyrating in front of you, but they also have

784
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 6: little tricks of like where they're trying to if you're

785
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 6: wearing a belt or something, they're trying to unbuckle the

786
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 6: belt with their teeth, or they pulled down their zipper.

787
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 5: Your zipper with your teeth, like this is the whole

788
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 5: They're trying to flip you up and flip you. So

789
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 5: that's another thing that I saw. I saw this dude.

790
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 6: He sat this girl on his face and then he

791
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 6: flipped her around and never lost her position and on

792
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 6: the face.

793
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 5: And I was just like, I've just closing my eyes

794
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 5: so I can imagine hold on, John she was.

795
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 6: She was on his face, and then he flipped her

796
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 6: like he somersaulted her and they popped right back up

797
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 6: in the same position. And I was like, I don't

798
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 6: know how he did that without breaking her neck, but somehow,

799
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 6: somehow it happened.

800
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 5: I don't know. I got lost for a second.

801
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 6: But it's all about the fantasy. And certainly I've had

802
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 6: Onyx in Atlanta, Magic City. You also, you know to

803
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 6: that to questions point about, like, when you're at a

804
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 6: strip club and other famous people are there, you cannot

805
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 6: get caught up trying to throw money with them.

806
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 4: Don't do that.

807
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't even do it.

808
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 5: Don't mean it's a competition.

809
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 6: It well, it's just that you just are trying to

810
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 6: sort of like, yeah, I can be fun at the

811
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 6: strip club. Because the last time I went to Magic City,

812
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 6: Ti I was.

813
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: There at oh Names, he was one of the rappers. Okay, now.

814
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 5: Shout out like he's all right.

815
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 6: So he and out on the stage at Magic City

816
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 6: and he throwing money and I'm like, my stack running low,

817
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 6: and he just seems to keep growing larger, and I

818
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 6: was like, I tell you, it's not gonna happen.

819
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 5: This whole four on one g gonna wind up on this.

820
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 4: Dam Wait a minute, it just sent me. I'm old

821
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 4: enough to remember a time when women really weren't allowed

822
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 4: in the strip club unless they were with me a guy,

823
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 4: because of And it's weird now because.

824
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 5: That wasn't that long ago.

825
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 6: I mean, well, the early two oughts, no, I'm sorry,

826
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 6: the early odds, like two thousands, right, But now.

827
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 4: It's like the only people I know that still frequent

828
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 4: strip clubs are women more, you know. I mean the

829
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 4: last five times I went, it was with more women

830
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 4: than there were dudes.

831
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 6: Because they realized that this is I mean, to be honest,

832
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 6: at least from what I've said, when it's been a

833
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 6: situation when there's you know, men and women sort of

834
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 6: equal in a strip club, the women spend a lot

835
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 6: more money like the women like the guys. Or I

836
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 6: say this, the women spend more money and you have

837
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 6: to do less because you know, a guy spend ten

838
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 6: dollars and he just.

839
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 5: Like he wanted her to put her leg behind her ear,

840
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 5: like you want to do all kind.

841
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 6: Of stuff for like ten dollars, whereas women go there

842
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 6: sometimes to just celebrate and appreciate other women, and so

843
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 6: you don't even have to do all that, and you

844
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 6: can wind up, you know, making a men I don't

845
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 6: necessarily need. I've gotten lap dances from women, like I

846
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 6: got one at ONYX one time. I was like, oh,

847
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 6: I'm about to fall in love with a librarian. This islie.

848
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 6: She's a Philly Phillis no no Atlanta ONX Atlanta Atlanta ONYX. Yeah,

849
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 6: so uh but no, I mean what happened was that

850
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 6: that they saw an expanding clientele base. As I said

851
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 6: the same, the strip club is like the safest place

852
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 6: for a woman because you you a lot of the

853
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 6: drama that you deal with in the club, you really

854
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 6: don't have to worry about and take a place like

855
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 6: in Miami, what's the what's the big sture? King of Diamonds, Right,

856
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 6: King of Diamonds is a warehouse like that place is huge.

857
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 6: It's basically a club, you know, and there are often

858
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 6: more women in there than men.

859
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 5: But we in there and we spending money.

860
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 4: Is it worth going there? I've been discouraged. I've asked

861
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 4: a few Miami friends like, Yo, let's go to King

862
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 4: and they're like, nah, you.

863
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 5: And Mike, No, it's not.

864
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 6: It's not the spot like it used to be anymore.

865
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 6: I think eleven is where a lot of people go.

866
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 6: I think that's the twenty four hour strip club. I

867
00:41:59,360 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 6: believe it's a let.

868
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

869
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 5: So do you want to come out on the strip

870
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 5: club in a daytime?

871
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god?

872
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 5: Or do you Well.

873
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 4: That's the worst feeling. Like once when I left the

874
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: Vegas One it was like seven in the morning. Yeah,

875
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 4: that was the worst walking shame ever.

876
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 5: Man club club?

877
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 6: Okay, because that's when you feel a like, what decisions

878
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,479
Speaker 6: have I made to lead me to this point right.

879
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 5: Now where I'm coming out the strip club at seven?

880
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 4: Al Yo, it's just hitting me that, Yes, we're forty

881
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 4: five minutes into this podcast. I haven't asked you one question.

882
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I could have a whole podcast dedicated the script clubs, brother,

883
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 6: because you want to get all up in this, mister Malhill.

884
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 5: That's right, Okay, all right, Well a free to ask

885
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 5: me a question.

886
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 4: I know it's it's just sometimes we just have an

887
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 4: episode where we just go rogue and just ask questions. Anyway,

888
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: what was what were your what was your early childhood

889
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 4: like in Detroit? You were born in Detroit? I assume correct.

890
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 5: I was born in Detroit. As I like to say,

891
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 5: I'm from the real hood, not the rap hood. And

892
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 5: you're from the east side or I'm a West Sider.

893
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 5: I'm a little bit more refined than the east Side.

894
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 4: Thank you, any any Detroiter that's ever been on the show.

895
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 4: I was told to take him the task because I

896
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 4: heard that the east side of Detroit is the real

897
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 4: hood side of Detroit and the west side is why.

898
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 6: To be honest, both sides they we both can win

899
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 6: the contest. I mean to be honest, because it's many

900
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 6: parts on the West Side that look as bad, if

901
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 6: not worse. But we but it's just a running joke

902
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 6: in the city because East Side is like they just

903
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 6: think they so hard, like all of them, all of

904
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 6: them think they DMX from belly and it's like, come on, relax,

905
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 6: like let's let's you know, let's be real. But no,

906
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 6: I mean, I I grew up you know, Detroit is

907
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 6: a is another chocolate city, So you know, grew up

908
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 6: in uh, you know, a black neighborhood, raised by a

909
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 6: single mother, single mother who also to some degree was

910
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 6: co parenting with my grandmother.

911
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 5: So those were who really big influences, you know, on

912
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 5: my life.

913
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 6: And you know we're talking about you know, I was

914
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 6: born in seventy five, so coming of age at least

915
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 6: from a music standpoint, you know, being right there at

916
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 6: the CUSPA when hip hop got going, and also you know,

917
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 6: coming to age I think as a music fan in

918
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 6: the mid eighties to late eighties and in high school.

919
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 6: You know, I was thinking about this because my husband

920
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 6: is actually five years younger than me, and so we

921
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 6: were just talking about music, what was hot during our

922
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 6: respective high school times. And you know, like my senior year,

923
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 6: like the Chronic dropped, and then my freshman year of

924
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 6: college it was Doggy Style, so yeah, its like and

925
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 6: also my senior year it was like the Chronic drop,

926
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 6: Shades Love Deluxe dropped, Jodas Divery.

927
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 5: Mad Band dropped.

928
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 6: It was like, you know, a really really good, a

929
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 6: good time in music like those early nineties and hell,

930
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 6: the first roots album I was I was actually working

931
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 6: as a music reviewer. I was interned, and I was

932
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 6: a view of music. The very first CD that landed

933
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 6: on my desk do you want more? So yeah, that

934
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 6: was the very first one A landed there. And so

935
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 6: that's when I started rocking with y'all because because question

936
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 6: knows this, like if I if I just had a

937
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 6: little bit more money, if I just hit that power ball,

938
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 6: I swear to god, I would tour with the Roots.

939
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 6: I would just be like, you know what, A thousand

940
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 6: times I would do this. Any thinks I'll play it.

941
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 6: I'm like, you don't understand.

942
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 5: I'm just waiting. I'm just waiting to get that last

943
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 5: number on that power ball quest.

944
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 4: And so all right, so slight confession. I first had

945
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: my first real conversation with Jamil at the NBA All

946
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 4: Star Game.

947
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 5: New Orleans.

948
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: Yes, the one that you surprise, Yeah.

949
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 4: Right, And the thing was, i'man again full being totally

950
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 4: transparent here. I'm not a sports guy, I'm the I'm

951
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 4: the ESPN so on the gym, get all my information

952
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 4: on Sports Center the first go round, and then hanging

953
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 4: the circle at work like yeah, that was a great pitch.

954
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 4: But then like someone like Steve will call me out like, no, man,

955
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 4: this is football we're talking about anyway. So my point

956
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 4: was that my manager, my bandmates, when when you and

957
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 4: Mike walked in in the room when we were rehearsing,

958
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 4: they was going ape shit like yo, oh my god,

959
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 4: we gotta talk to him, we gotta talk to him.

960
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 4: And I was like, what are you talking about. He's like, Yo, man,

961
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: it's gonna be such a good look. We gotta do it.

962
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 4: And the one I will, I will go on any

963
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 4: platform and any medium and talk my asshole for nine

964
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 4: hours except for any what the amount of no's that

965
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 4: I've given local Philadelphia affiliator talk sports, Yo, can we

966
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 4: get crost love on it? Like one time the Eagles

967
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 4: wanted me to like sit in the booth, like and

968
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: do a game. I was like, Nah, no, I'm not.

969
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 4: I'm not being the laughing stock of nobody in the

970
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 4: embarrassed them. So I was trying to duck and dodge

971
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 4: y'all the whole time, because nothing is more kryptonite than

972
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 4: me than having to weigh in on any opinion of

973
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 4: sports when I'm not emotionally invested. Look at Steve laughing

974
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 4: right now, I'm guessing with.

975
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 5: Mike and Jamal, I don't even want to talk to

976
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 5: you about we didn't we like we You know.

977
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 6: The thing is, though, when we run into what Quest said,

978
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 6: very often what we did ESPN is that there were

979
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 6: people that we just like fuck with because we respected

980
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 6: their talents.

981
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 5: We have been rocking with them a long time.

982
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 6: The roots were number one, and so because of that,

983
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 6: we we often would get turned down by people like, yeah,

984
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 6: but I don't really know about sports, Like, trust me,

985
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 6: we don't want to hear your sports.

986
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 5: Opinions at all, but we want to hear you all day.

987
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, we do.

988
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 6: Like, we want to talk about what you're an expert

989
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 6: in and why people love you. And on top of that,

990
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 6: you know, no disrespect to you know, entertainers and other celebrities.

991
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 6: Most of their sports opinions is trash anyway, Like we

992
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 6: can tell y'all, well, tell y'all cashual fans, like we know,

993
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 6: we tell you know that's fucked up because you can't

994
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 6: say that about you can't vice versa that because music

995
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 6: is something that you know, you grew up on, you

996
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 6: you study on your own. So it's just it's interesting,

997
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 6: but it's it's subjective though, Like I mean, I yield

998
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 6: to the trained years because this is what y'all been

999
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 6: doing your whole lives and you regardless of whatever is

1000
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 6: my musical know how, I can never know as much

1001
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 6: as you all ever, so you have to come into

1002
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 6: it with that automatic respect. But like we anytime we

1003
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 6: ever asked for y'all, like we never wanted to talk

1004
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 6: about sports. If anything, we'd have been annoying and been

1005
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 6: like so in nineteen ninety eight at that concept, what.

1006
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: Do you do?

1007
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 4: Like no, But that's the thing, Like y'all made me

1008
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 4: feel so comfortable, Like I was so panic stricken that

1009
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 4: oh my god, they're going to ask me about the

1010
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 4: sixers and then I'll be like, uh, yeah, I like

1011
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 4: Maurice's cheeks no, we don't care about what you think

1012
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 4: about and you know, I want to be that guy.

1013
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 5: So no, no, it was it was all good. But

1014
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 5: it was the same with It was the same with Tilo.

1015
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 6: It's like I told him that when we first met,

1016
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 6: I was like, I could give a shit less a

1017
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 6: bunch of sports opinions like I'm here because I.

1018
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: I don't watch none, I have no I don't care.

1019
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,479
Speaker 4: Wait, well, this leads me back to my next question,

1020
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 4: because I feel like, now, despite despite the trials and tribulations,

1021
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 4: the ups and downs of your lane, it sort of

1022
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 4: forced you in a position where you have transcended sports.

1023
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 4: Whereas I would have strictly thought of you as, oh

1024
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 4: ESPN anchor, you know, Jamel Hill. Now I mean you're

1025
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 4: just I mean, you're damn near culture critic, your world

1026
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 4: leader as far as I'm concerned, and that's like one

1027
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 4: of the many feathers in your cap. But like people

1028
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 4: now look to you for some sort of some intelligent

1029
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 4: civil discourse about just what's going on in the world.

1030
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 4: Which actually, I'll say that probably the question I've been

1031
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: asking the most of guests on the show in the

1032
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 4: last year is how exhausting is it now that you know, like,

1033
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 4: do you want it to be a place where whatever

1034
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 4: your version of shut up and dribble is, Like if

1035
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 4: you just want to talk about this college team and

1036
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: this particular you know player, and that sort of thing,

1037
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 4: Whereas now you you have to represent everything, You have

1038
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 4: to be everything.

1039
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 6: Where we are right now, particularly with sports, where you

1040
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 6: have athletes who are who have who are growing into

1041
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 6: their own sense of power and voice, which is where

1042
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 6: they always should have been, but at various decades and

1043
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 6: periods they are discouraged from doing this, and it got

1044
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 6: to a point and I think Colein Kaepernick was really

1045
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 6: the one who kind of opened this door for this generation,

1046
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 6: if you will, a combination of him speaking out and

1047
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 6: of course Lebron James. Anytime you have somebody of Lebron's stature,

1048
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 6: who is arguably the best athlete in the world, speaking

1049
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 6: out about racial and social injustice, it gives everyone else,

1050
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 6: all the other black athletes, permission to do the same

1051
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 6: that they see like, Okay, if this guy has, you know,

1052
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 6: all these financial deals, if he's this beloved and he's

1053
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 6: still speaking out, then what excuse do I have? So

1054
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 6: between him and Colin as being the leaders of this

1055
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 6: generation or athletes, and now with the moment that we're

1056
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 6: in in this country, that this idea hits the show

1057
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 6: title for the show We Me and Carry Champion have

1058
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 6: coming out on Vice on August nineteenth.

1059
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 5: This whole idea stick to sports is dead.

1060
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 6: It should have never been a conversation to begin with,

1061
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 6: because you know, you look back on history and sports

1062
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 6: has often been ahead of society and a lot of issues.

1063
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 6: I mean, Jackie Robinson integrated Major League Baseball in nineteen

1064
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 6: forty seven. I mean, the Civil rights passed in the

1065
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 6: mid sixties that desegregated America. So you are looking at

1066
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 6: a lot of moments like that in sports, where because

1067
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 6: sports is one of the few things that we still

1068
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 6: do together.

1069
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 5: I mean, we don't worship together, we eat with the

1070
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 5: same people.

1071
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 6: You know, America is still very much a segregated society

1072
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 6: except when it comes to sports, which is why they

1073
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 6: have this unique pathway and opportunity to get people to

1074
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 6: listen to broader issues.

1075
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 5: So no, I'm glad that these.

1076
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 6: Conversations are taking place because, frankly, what's harder is when

1077
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 6: I was on Sports Center and the country was continuing

1078
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 6: to fall apart, and especially post twenty sixteen. You know

1079
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 6: how hard it was some days to be anchoring Sports

1080
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 6: Center and the world is on fire, like on a

1081
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 6: day like what happened with Philando Castile to anchors you know,

1082
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 6: I mean we were on his and hers there to

1083
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 6: do the show that day, so we just incorporated it

1084
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 6: in the show.

1085
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 5: You know, it's hard to pretend that.

1086
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 6: You give a fuck about whether or not the Patriots

1087
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 6: when the AFC East, when you have black bodies industry,

1088
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 6: So it's really the opposite where I'm glad that in

1089
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 6: sports I can be this full black person and talk

1090
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 6: about you know, the games and stuff that I love

1091
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 6: in cohesion. That's something that you just said, be this

1092
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 6: full black person. I just need everybody to take a moment,

1093
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 6: because usually we are not allowed to be a full

1094
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 6: black person outlined correct. I'm just saying, yeah, No, I

1095
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 6: mean it's hard, Like I mean, really, it's so few

1096
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 6: of us that get in any situation where we can

1097
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 6: be our full black selves at.

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00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 4: One and so can I ask the first time that

1099
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 4: you were whatever the proverbial being called in the principal's office,

1100
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 4: how dark is that moment where you're you know, obviously

1101
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 4: trying to climb up a ladder of a career, and

1102
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 4: you know there's that moment where you might stop the

1103
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 4: stop the bag, or you know you could get black ball.

1104
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 4: Like in the beginning, I think now you're pretty much

1105
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 4: tept line.

1106
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 5: I'm still black dog Exactually.

1107
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 4: No, I think I think I think you will be

1108
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 4: clapped at at least three times a year. However, I

1109
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 4: also think that you're you're in the teptlne zone. Now, Okay,

1110
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 4: I can get it at the beginning, like when was

1111
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 4: the first time that you rock that boat and what

1112
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 4: was the feeling of like did your mom call you

1113
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 4: like girl, what did you do that for? Or whatever?

1114
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 6: Well, I mean theirs the first time I got into

1115
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 6: trouble and it was trouble that was totally self inflicted.

1116
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 6: It was some dumb shit that I did. Was this

1117
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 6: was in two thousand and eight and I was at ESPN.

1118
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 5: Uh you know. I came to ESPN not as on

1119
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 5: air talent. I came there as a writer.

1120
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 6: So I was writing for ESPN dot com covering sports,

1121
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 6: and I was covering the Lakers Celtics NBA Finals and

1122
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 6: I was just writing a column, an off day column

1123
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 6: because the game was like the next day. So this

1124
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 6: is something that just was being posted in between and

1125
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 6: when I grew up. You know, in Detroit, we're talking

1126
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 6: about the height of the bad Boys. When I was

1127
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 6: coming that age as a sports fan, right, so I

1128
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 6: hated the Boston Celtics. Hated you hate them, right, so

1129
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 6: because they stood in our way. You know when Birds

1130
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 6: sold the ball. I think that was in the eighty

1131
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 6: eight Conference finals. Man, I thought, I thought my life

1132
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 6: was destroyed, and the Pistols wound up losing that series.

1133
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 5: I couldn't stand the Mopuckers. I hated the Celtics.

1134
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 6: So once Rondo and KG and Ray Allen and Paul

1135
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 6: Pierce were doing their thing as they were in two

1136
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 6: thousand and eight, when I wrote this column, you saw

1137
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 6: a difference in how the Celtics were perceived because they

1138
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 6: was a black ass team, right, and so black people

1139
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 6: were rocking with the Celtics, which was abhorrent for me

1140
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 6: to see in many respects is in a way I

1141
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 6: grew up, right, you know, and you understand if you're

1142
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 6: a black Bostonian, of course, but like outside of Boston

1143
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 6: people black people really fucking with this team, especially black

1144
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 6: people in Detroit, which I was like Okay, I take

1145
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 6: some vomit in my mouth, Like what are we doing?

1146
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 5: So I wrote this column about like how even though these.

1147
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 6: Guys are good guys and are great basketball players, like

1148
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 6: it was just a funny column about how we all

1149
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 6: the reasons we can never be Celtics fans. One of

1150
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 6: the things I said in the column was that if

1151
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 6: rooting for Celtics is like saying Hitler is a victim?

1152
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 5: Right, oh yeah right, so yeah, that didn't go over

1153
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 5: to well. It was just so dumb.

1154
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 4: What was that?

1155
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 5: Like, Like, what's the intricacies of that ass whoop? So,

1156
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 5: I mean, look it was it was though that doesn't matter,

1157
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 5: She's culture when it comes to.

1158
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 6: It was fire and brimstone. It's like the column was

1159
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 6: only up for a couple of hours. And when I

1160
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 6: tell you, and to this day, a lot of Boston

1161
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 6: people and fans do not fuck with me because of this.

1162
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 6: In eight and so they they they took the line

1163
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 6: out the column, but it had already been up for

1164
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 6: an hour.

1165
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 5: A few hours. It went viral back as much as

1166
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 5: you could go viral.

1167
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 6: Then everybody's reporting on this, and even at the Celtics games,

1168
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 6: people were because it was a Celtics home game, like

1169
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 6: that next night, they were holding up picking signs, basically

1170
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 6: saying I wasn't shit. A Boston radio station got a

1171
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 6: hold of my home number and live I tell you

1172
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 6: that the calling was non stops. I mean, I've been

1173
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 6: cussed out. I didn't I had this. I didn't answer

1174
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 6: the I stopped after like the first two first two calls.

1175
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 6: And luckily it was my business line. So it's like

1176
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 6: in my house, I had my own office. I had

1177
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 6: a business line in there, and that was the one

1178
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 6: that kept calling. And so they called me everything but

1179
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 6: a child of God and then some and at work,

1180
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 6: I thought I was gonna get get fired over that.

1181
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 5: You know, I got suspended for a week with pay.

1182
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 6: And when you get sent to the penalty box, you

1183
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 6: know that that's something on your record. So if anything

1184
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 6: happens next, then you might be sure that, yeah, correct,

1185
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 6: they're gonna go back to that incident and say, oh,

1186
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 6: but you got a track record, here's what it is.

1187
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 6: And so I was thankful that that happened in two

1188
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 6: thousand and eight versus say twenty and seventeen, which prings

1189
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 6: me to my more recent suspension was over the Donald

1190
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 6: Trump controversy, and you know that one it was. It

1191
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 6: was a lot different, mostly because I felt like I

1192
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 6: was on the right side of history. You obviously, all

1193
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 6: he does is you has proved me right ever since,

1194
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 6: and I appreciate y'all saying that. And that was one

1195
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 6: of those times. And I feel like we get this

1196
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 6: opportunity maybe a couple times in our career or just

1197
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 6: in our lives period where had I lost my job,

1198
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 6: I'd have been okay. And I don't mean like, I

1199
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 6: don't mean to belittle or diminish all the things and

1200
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 6: the sweat equity, equity I had put into being at ESPN.

1201
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 6: I've been there at that point twelve years. It's just

1202
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 6: that some things you have to be able to live

1203
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 6: with yourself. And I wasn't going to apologize to the president,

1204
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 6: which they knew off rip. The only thing I felt

1205
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 6: sort of bad for it because you know, Mike and

1206
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 6: I are trying to anchor Sports Center at that time,

1207
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 6: is even though he supported me a thousand percent, you know,

1208
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 6: I put him in a very bad position just from.

1209
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 5: The standpoint of I get suspended.

1210
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 6: He's got to man the ship while I'm gone, and

1211
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 6: you know he doesn't want to be there and suddenly

1212
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 6: look like he doesn't support me, So it just right,

1213
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 6: which he did wholeheartedly. I mean, because you know, for

1214
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 6: a few days after into my suspension, he didn't anchor

1215
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 6: the show because he just refused, And if it would

1216
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 6: have been up to him, he would have just been

1217
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 6: completely off the whole time that I was suspended. So

1218
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 6: it was just all these things that were happening, and

1219
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 6: you know, being called out by the White House and

1220
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 6: all that, and I could give lesson the fuck about

1221
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 6: the Trump supporters, but they allowed vocal, ignorant, nass group

1222
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 6: a lot of them. And so then it's a level

1223
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 6: of worrying about my personal safety, which I never have

1224
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 6: really had to worry about before. But after that incident,

1225
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 6: you know, it really put a whole ass grenade in

1226
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 6: my life.

1227
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 5: I mean, it did.

1228
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 6: But that's not to say that the shrap dough was

1229
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 6: all bad, but it is to say that it did

1230
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 6: blow it up for the moment. So when you said

1231
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 6: that about the spaces that I'm known in now, that incident,

1232
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 6: good or bad, is what allowed me to transcend, or

1233
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 6: at least to be considered in some other circles, because suddenly,

1234
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 6: you know, they put me in a political bucket, and

1235
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 6: you were highly supported. I was watching the support during

1236
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 6: that time, and the community had Joe back.

1237
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they did, like black people.

1238
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 6: A big reason why I wasn't fired at that point,

1239
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 6: I think, I know it was because the high level

1240
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 6: of support that I had in the community, and not

1241
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 6: just from people at the grassroots level, but you know,

1242
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 6: you know, Colin Kaepernick was I think the first person

1243
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 6: who tweeted, the first celebrity or that ILK who tweeted

1244
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 6: his support of me.

1245
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 5: And then you had d Wade and Daryl.

1246
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, everybody was watching, and so they really wrapped their

1247
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 6: arms around me and ESPN seeing that Lebron James as well,

1248
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,919
Speaker 6: seeing that, they said, okay, you know, after they didn't

1249
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 6: suspend me immediately after the Trump comments because of that,

1250
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 6: because they knew they were gonna have a bigger problem

1251
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 6: on their hand because y'all was riding for me. So

1252
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 6: so yeah, I mean, I say all that to say

1253
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 6: is that when you go through those moments, and I

1254
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 6: tell younger people this too, especially as they're starting their career,

1255
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 6: regardless if you had ESPN or if you had a

1256
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 6: station in a small town, regardless of the career even

1257
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 6: as well.

1258
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 5: You gotta know who you are before you go in

1259
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 5: the door.

1260
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 6: And if you don't know who you are before you

1261
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 6: go in there, that will get you into more trouble

1262
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 6: than anything else. If you know who you are, you

1263
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 6: know what you won't accept, and you know what your

1264
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 6: boundary is. There's a lot of thousand things a lot

1265
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 6: of us will let slide as we try to make

1266
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 6: our way in whatever profession that we're in. They gonna

1267
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 6: come two or three moments where you're gonna have to

1268
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 6: be You're just gonna have to be like, I ain't

1269
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 6: the one.

1270
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 5: You know, I was gonna ask you about that.

1271
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 6: I was like, cause you make it sound real easy,

1272
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 6: but we know that's like a maturation process. Oh totally,

1273
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 6: it's not like And sometimes it's trial and error. Sometimes

1274
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 6: you look at way where you didn't speak up and

1275
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 6: you have to live with that, and but it teaches

1276
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 6: you the next time that pops up, like you know

1277
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 6: what I didn't before?

1278
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 5: But see now now y'all got the wrong one, And

1279
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 5: so society didn flip me.

1280
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 6: I used to talk real loud a lot, and then

1281
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 6: I just got to quiet it down because so many

1282
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 6: people told me to shut the fuck up.

1283
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 5: So now it's like it is it okay now? Always

1284
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 5: too much for somebody.

1285
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 6: That's the thing is that that's the constant black existence

1286
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 6: is that we could do nothing and be too much

1287
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 6: for people.

1288
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 5: Our existence is too much for people.

1289
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 2: Existent.

1290
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's why we can the only people are

1291
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 6: the only thing that we can do is really be ourselves.

1292
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 6: But you're right, it takes years, and it takes growth

1293
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 6: and leverage the other thing too that certainly, I mean,

1294
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 6: let's just be real. It's like at that point in

1295
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 6: my time, in my in my career at ESPN, I

1296
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 6: have been able to make some bags, you know, and

1297
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 6: I knew that if we had to come to a

1298
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 6: decision where I wasn't gonna be there anymore, that that

1299
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 6: wasn't gonna come without a check. So it's like, you know,

1300
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 6: and I felt like I was gonna be insulated financially regardless,

1301
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 6: and even if I wasn't as far as ESPN, even

1302
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 6: if I didn't walk away with h with a check,

1303
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 6: that it was uh, you know, there would be interest

1304
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 6: in me to where I could make more money. So

1305
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 6: it wasn't a situation where I thought that there was

1306
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 6: gonna be I mean, I'm sure there was gonna be

1307
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 6: some networks that wouldn't have messed with me, don't get

1308
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 6: me wrong, but I would have been able to make

1309
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Speaker 6: a living.

1310
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Speaker 5: Right, So and ABJ was still like she the ship, Yeah.

1311
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it was it was still all right

1312
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 6: and all I But what it did teach me, though,

1313
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 6: is something that we learned, you know, at various points,

1314
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 6: or sometimes it take us a long time to learn,

1315
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 6: is that any relationship you have with an employer is conditional.

1316
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 6: It's a completely conditional relationship and you need to you

1317
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 6: need to treat it as such.

1318
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: And HR is not your fucking friend, not your.

1319
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 5: Friend ever at all.

1320
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 6: Ever, this is a conditional relationship, which is we should

1321
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 6: give you and empower you more to be true to yourself.

1322
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 6: And you know, despite all the relationships I built at ESPN,

1323
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 6: despite all the time I've been there and felt like,

1324
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 6: you know, I did my job quite capably, if not

1325
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 6: better than that, the truth is is that when the

1326
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 6: president came after me, they didn't say shit. And that

1327
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 6: was a very important lesson for me to learn about.

1328
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Speaker 4: You know, they didn't.

1329
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's one thing, I mean, and it's it's

1330
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 6: a cold thing too. Because in journalism, you know, I

1331
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 6: mean you check that a black concept. Yeah, I know,

1332
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 6: I mean in journalism especially. You know, I worked for

1333
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 6: newspapers before I got to ESPN, and there was always

1334
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 6: just to understood code, like when you go after city

1335
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 6: hall or city hall comes after you, you got to

1336
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 6: stand with your people. Because part of what makes democracy

1337
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 6: work is a free press. You have to have a

1338
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 6: free function in press. People that are in the president's

1339
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 6: position have to know you cannot attack citizens and you

1340
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 6: cannot attack members of the press, because that's not how

1341
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 6: our democracy works.

1342
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1343
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 6: The whole thing about you know, being a journalist is

1344
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 6: that you're supposed to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.

1345
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 5: And so that's why there has to be.

1346
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 6: An understood code in media that when the city hall

1347
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 6: comes after you, you protect your people. Now, however ESPN

1348
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 6: wants to deal with me internally is another matter. But

1349
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 6: when the President decided to put my name in his

1350
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 6: mouth or in his tweet, is when I expected ESPN

1351
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 6: to say something and say, all right, hold up, now,

1352
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 6: if she gonna be a problem, she are a problem.

1353
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 5: She ain't right, and that didn't happen.

1354
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 6: And honestly, that's the most disappointed I've ever been in

1355
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 6: working there.

1356
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 5: Because that's not the way that goes.

1357
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 6: I've been in situations and newspapers and seeing how people

1358
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 6: have stood by their people.

1359
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 5: That's how it's supposed to be.

1360
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 6: And even the NFL, as raggedy as they are, the

1361
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 6: moment he called them sons of bitches.

1362
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 5: What happened? They all tightened up. That's what you're supposed

1363
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 5: to do.

1364
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 6: So I was talking to my man the other day

1365
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 6: and based on watching what the MLB and MLB, the NFL,

1366
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 6: and the NBA are doing.

1367
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 5: Does it seem like good karma that everything is working

1368
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 5: out right for the NBA, But the.

1369
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 6: NFL and the MLB when it comes it comes to

1370
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 6: just like they are like, is it just me? I mean, meanwhile,

1371
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 6: the NBA got Black Lives Matter all on this on

1372
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 6: the thing. They safe in their bubble.

1373
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 5: It's like, but well, but what is it? It does

1374
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 5: teach you something about the value of leadership.

1375
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 6: And the thing is you have Adam Silver, the commissioner

1376
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 6: of the NBA, but you also have the de facto

1377
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 6: commissioner and Lebron James right here the de facto commissioner. Yeah,

1378
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 6: so you you have this and you also have a

1379
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 6: black woman who's the head of the players union, Michelle Roberts,

1380
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 6: and the three of them collectively have exhibited such amazing leadership,

1381
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 6: particularly during COVID. I mean, not only are they in

1382
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 6: the bubble, No NBA players have tested positive since they've

1383
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 6: been in the bubble. They also are testing out saliva

1384
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 6: test for COVID because they spot they they have funded

1385
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 6: these tests and they're gonna use the players as guinea

1386
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 6: pigs because these are saliva tests that you would get

1387
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 6: in minutes, the results in minutes. Because part of that's

1388
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 6: part of the issue with the testing now is like

1389
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 6: people are having to wait seventeen to fourteen days just

1390
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 6: to get a result.

1391
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 2: You get exposed again exactly time, right.

1392
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 6: Or yeah, or you think about the number of people

1393
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 6: you may expose because you don't know if you got

1394
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 6: it right.

1395
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 5: So they are at the forefront. I mean, who would

1396
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 5: have thought in twenty twenty.

1397
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's been a strange year because we got

1398
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 6: Taylor Swift way more woke than Kanye Wow, don't do

1399
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 6: that perspective that was but it's it's true though, like

1400
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 6: Taylor Swift out here leading black people to freedom, not

1401
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 6: Kanye No.

1402
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 5: Don't wait wait.

1403
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 2: Now.

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01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 3: When I saw Kim Kardashian talk about free and c murders,

1405
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 3: it's just like, yo, what happened car?

1406
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 4: Wait?

1407
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 5: Say what? And if she able to get him free, look,

1408
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, just trying to stay in because her

1409
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 5: husband fucking up. But whatever, go ahead.

1410
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 6: Black people don't fall for it, even if she gets

1411
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 6: the murder out. Don't fall for black people, like don't

1412
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 6: let this be like I'm a dope for Donald Trump?

1413
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 6: Like no, no, until she gives us our asses back

1414
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 6: in our hair and everything else.

1415
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 5: But it's not so much about her.

1416
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 6: Is that one thing that we need to understand, Like

1417
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 6: those acts, individual acts are great, giving back to the community,

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01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 6: and that's great. Charity does not fix structural racism, doesn't

1419
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 6: fix it, right because you get se murder out, But

1420
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 6: what about And I don't know.

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01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 5: If y'all watched uh uh the.

1422
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 6: Watching it like watching that yes on BZ yep, watching

1423
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 6: that and seeing I mean I knew that Louisiana had

1424
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 6: a racist criminal justice system much like most states in

1425
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 6: this country. They on another level. They god standard. It's

1426
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 6: a whole state, a gold standard of racism. And seeing

1427
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 6: se Murder's case, but also the other dude, Mack, what

1428
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 6: happened to him?

1429
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:07,560
Speaker 4: You?

1430
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,879
Speaker 5: Like, how is this possible in America?

1431
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 6: So, Kim Kardashian freeing Se Murder isn't gonna address that,

1432
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 6: is what I'm saying. And so that's not to belittle

1433
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 6: what it would mean for Sea Murder to be out

1434
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 6: of jail, but like, yeah, like you said, like I

1435
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 6: would have never in a million years, but like, so

1436
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 6: Kim Kardashian is gonna lead Se Murder the freedom.

1437
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm surprised she knows well hit him ala

1438
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 4: for all of that.

1439
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 5: What's up with meya? He's still in there.

1440
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been a it's been a really crazy year.

1441
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 6: But at any rate, I guess to get back to

1442
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 6: your original question, is that who would have thought that?

1443
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 6: And again it's what I was saying about sports sometimes

1444
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 6: leading away and leading in ways society can't that the

1445
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 6: most competent, cohesive response to COVID nineteen has been the

1446
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 6: NBA by far.

1447
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 4: All right, so now now I feel all off key.

1448
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 4: Going back to another sports question. In your childhood, what

1449
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 4: made you did you initially? When did you develop this

1450
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 4: passion for sports? Because I'm I'm I'm curious at anyone

1451
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 4: who really commits to something that they themselves aren't involved in,

1452
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 4: you know, like it's it's possible to be to faan

1453
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 4: music and participating in it. For a lot of people,

1454
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 4: their knowledge of sports just as spectators is amazing to me.

1455
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 4: First of all, are you an all around sports person

1456
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 4: or like, do you have the same passion for golf

1457
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 4: and that you do well?

1458
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:42,560
Speaker 5: I do love to bowl. I am a I'm a

1459
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 5: hell of a bowler.

1460
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 6: I do.

1461
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 5: Y'all want some young come get them straight up? Oh wow,

1462
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 5: yes that's right. I'm handing out ass whippers on the lane.

1463
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 4: So you know, you're talking a lot for a person

1464
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 4: that has a hometown with only one movie theater in it.

1465
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 4: But that's okay.

1466
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 6: But you know what, we got a lot of bowling

1467
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 6: allts because we're because a winner like you need to

1468
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 6: have Yeah, you need to have activity. So people a

1469
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 6: lot of people from Detroit, Michigan period can bowl like

1470
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 6: that was our thing. But to answer your question, is

1471
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 6: you know I would ask you the same about music.

1472
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 6: I'm sure there's a time where you don't even remember

1473
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 6: not loving music, right, and so I don't there was

1474
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 6: a time. I don't remember not loving sports. It wasn't

1475
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 6: I don't recall being introduced to sports. I just recall

1476
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 6: from the beginning. I love sports.

1477
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 5: I love Did you grow up with your mom and

1478
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 5: your grandmom?

1479
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 4: Right?

1480
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 3: So?

1481
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean my mother she was, I mean she's

1482
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 6: she was, she's been married before. She just didn't marry

1483
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 6: my biological father and so but as I like to

1484
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 6: mess with her, but it's true though, it's all facts.

1485
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 6: My first step father all got one. Yeah, my first

1486
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 6: step father was somebody who was also into sports. And

1487
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 6: you know, I was the neighborhood tomboy, right. So I

1488
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 6: was out there playing you know, uh football and you know,

1489
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 6: playing basketball and freeze tag and you know everything.

1490
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 5: Uh two not we didn't call it two step What

1491
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 5: was it. I'll think of what we used to call it.

1492
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 2: But I was mother not mother may I no?

1493
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, kickball, all of that. So I was

1494
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 6: always out like kind of rough housing with the boys.

1495
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 6: I mean it was sort of frustrated my mother, not

1496
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 6: that she wanted me necessarily a girl, be a girly girl.

1497
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 5: She'd just been like, why are you always playing with

1498
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 5: the boys. It's so rough? And so that was that

1499
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 5: was always me and what.

1500
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 2: Did your folks do?

1501
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 5: So my mother a bit of a jack of all trades.

1502
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 6: I mean, she's like worked at the post office, she's

1503
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 6: she had her own cleaning service by trade. Though she

1504
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 6: was a medical laboratory technician. And both my parents are

1505
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 6: recovering drug addicts. So my dad he is uh, well

1506
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 6: he retired, as I should say, a clinical drug therapist.

1507
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 5: So so he does like counseling and that kind of thing.

1508
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 2: Is this your stepdad, that's your biological.

1509
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 6: Dad, my biological father, my stepfather. Uh, the first one

1510
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 6: was like some kind of computer engineer, and my current stepfather.

1511
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 5: Look, I'm just telling no judgment. I make it no judgment.

1512
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: Oh this was this is a public.

1513
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 6: Thank you. You couldn't look this up and you would

1514
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 6: know she she just oh number two. I mean, hell,

1515
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 6: my grandma got a rab so I'm mean. But uh,

1516
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 6: but my second step father he retired from the auto

1517
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 6: industry because you know, Detroit's factory town, so he worked

1518
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 6: at the plant for many years. But no, I mean

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01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 6: it's like sports always came natural in terms of both

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01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 6: playing and watching it, and you know it was odd

1521
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 6: because I knew, I'm I'm very fortunate is that I

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01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 6: knew I wanted to be a sports journalist when I

1523
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 6: was around ninth or tenth grade. Uh, And I was

1524
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 6: one of those people who who never really deviated from that.

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01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 6: You know, usually you switched careers four or five times.

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01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 6: And it's not like I knew any sports journalists per se.

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01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 6: But the thing is, because of where technology was during

1528
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 6: that time, in order for you to keep up with

1529
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 6: your sports teams, you had to read the newspaper. So

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01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 6: I had to read the sports sections to keep up,

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01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 6: you know, with the Tigers and the Pistons and everybody else.

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01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 6: And that is what introduced me to newspapers. So when

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01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 6: I got to high school, I worked for my high

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01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 6: school newspaper. I got an apprenticeship at the local paper then,

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01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 6: and also in high school, I started answering phones in

1536
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 6: the sports department of this same newspaper and the rest

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01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 6: I went on from there.

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01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 5: I majored in journalism.

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01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 6: I've only done this, Like, don't I'm not even equipped

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01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 6: to do shit else, Like the only other job that

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01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 6: I had, That's true, I'm like, I'm not equipped to

1542
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 6: do shit else. The only other jobs that I've had

1543
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 6: outside of journalism was I delivered phone books during what

1544
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 6: I know. That's how I'm seven thousand years old. I

1545
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 6: was like, I delivered phone books to earn some extra

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01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 6: money for ring break and.

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01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 4: They still make phone books.

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01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 6: Dog, I like this, this is like the this is

1549
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 6: the late nineties, Like they were still making phone books

1550
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 6: and it was so heavy, and I got to say,

1551
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 6: the game must be crazy.

1552
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 5: Oh my god. I got paid like seventy cent per

1553
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 5: phone book delivered, Like oh god, it was fu o

1554
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 5: way more than that.

1555
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, that shit was labor and that's what I knew.

1556
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 6: I was like physical laborer and me will never get along,

1557
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 6: Like it's just not happening, that, ain't it? So? I yeah,

1558
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 6: I had internships in college. I even interned at the

1559
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 6: Philadelphia Choirer. I interned there, so so in Philly? I

1560
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 6: did I've lived in Philly?

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01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 2: Yup?

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01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 4: No, wonder you heard of the roots. I refuse to

1563
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 4: believe it. I looked at it.

1564
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 6: I was like, no, no, but one of my internships

1565
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,560
Speaker 6: questions like, no, bullshit. It was nineteen ninety four. I

1566
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 6: think I was an intern at the Free Press with

1567
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 6: Detroit Free Press, which is the local paper in Detroit,

1568
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 6: and they assigned me to the features desk, and the

1569
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 6: music critic at the time did not fuck with R

1570
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 6: and B and hip hop at all, so he said,

1571
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 6: you can have all R and B and hip hop.

1572
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 6: I'm gonna stick to this Bruce Springsteen over here. And

1573
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 6: it was all good because you know, Aliyah's album dropped

1574
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 6: that year.

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01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 5: It was the Roots.

1576
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 6: It was like so many different artists that dropped that year.

1577
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 6: My CD collection was banging after that summer.

1578
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 3: Joints Joy was like it was promos when I worked

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01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 3: in the for our college newspapers.

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01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 2: So I mean, this is the campus echo es Central

1581
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 2: and I would get promos.

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01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 5: You get a hard time and tell them that's what

1583
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 5: I used to do.

1584
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 6: I'd sell them, yes, sell the ones I don't want,

1585
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 6: or I said, say, this was nineteen ninety five by bag,

1586
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 6: but like yeah, So that summer that I was interning

1587
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,560
Speaker 6: at the Free Press, the reporters went on strike and

1588
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 6: the Free Press is also was at the time owned

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01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 6: by the same people who owned the Philadelphia in Choir,

1590
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 6: which is how I got the Philly because they sent

1591
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 6: me to Philly. One of my girls was already working

1592
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 6: at the Philadelphia Inquirer, so I didn't even live in Philly.

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01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 5: Proper. I lived in McDade mcdave Boulevard. Damn yeah, I lived.

1594
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 6: In mcday man. I had to catch a bus and

1595
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,520
Speaker 6: a bus in the train to get to the Philadelphia

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01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:13,600
Speaker 6: Acquirer downtown.

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01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 4: Wow.

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01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 6: Hold up, we need more time with Jamail Hill, and

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01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 6: therefore you'll get it.

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Speaker 5: So this was part one. Stay tuned for part.

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01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 6: Two of our interview with Jamail Hill on Questlove Supreme

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01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 6: next Wednesday.

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01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 5: You don't want to miss it. It just gets better.

1604
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 5: It's so good.

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01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:50,519
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