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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Robert Evans here and it could happen here
Speaker 2: a podcast about things falling apart and sometimes putting them
Speaker 2: back together. I'm writing this after flying back from Texas
Speaker 2: where my Ted died, to Portland, waking up and basically
Speaker 2: immediately interviewing a group of protesters in Arcada, California, at
Speaker 2: the cal Poly occupation in Humboldt, and then driving to
Speaker 2: Portland State University in Portland, Oregon, where there has also
Speaker 2: been a campus occupation, And both of these occupations have
Speaker 2: some stuff in common, and I wanted to talk about
Speaker 2: what was happening with both of them because I think
Speaker 2: it's relevant, and obviously it's relevant to what is currently
Speaker 2: one of the larger stories going on in the country
Speaker 2: right now, which is that a series of occupations on
Speaker 2: campuses protesting the Israeli genocide and Gaza have spread to
Speaker 2: more than one hundred schools in the United States. You
Speaker 2: will have heard of this now. We have covered some
Speaker 2: of this in recent episodes, particularly what was going on
Speaker 2: in Colombia at least at the initial stages of that,
Speaker 2: and today again I'm here to talk about two occupations.
Speaker 2: One of them is at cal Poly Humboldt in Arcada, California,
Speaker 2: and another is at Portland State University in Portland, Oregon.
Speaker 2: As an out of side, I have lived in both
Speaker 2: of these cities, which is peculiar. It doesn't really mean anything,
Speaker 2: but I thought it was weird, and obviously I still
Speaker 2: live in Portland. Protests started in Arcada first. On October
Speaker 2: twenty second, twenty twenty four, students on the cal Poly
Speaker 2: Humboldt also called CPH campus occupied Seamen's Hall. These students
Speaker 2: were not members of any specific group, but we're all
Speaker 2: acting in solidarity with GAZA, and we're inspired at least
Speaker 2: partly by the solidarity encampment at Columbia University. It started
Speaker 2: with a small number of people, about forty five or so.
Speaker 2: These are a mix of students, some alumni, and a
Speaker 2: few random Arcade Arcada is a pretty progressive town. You
Speaker 2: might call it Hippi. That's generally the reputation that it has.
Speaker 2: Campus police showed up. There was a series of negotiations,
Speaker 2: which here means they told everybody to leave, and at
Speaker 2: that point the police began escalating things. Because the Arcada
Speaker 2: police force is pretty small, cops were called in from
Speaker 2: the surrounding area, quite a few of them. There were helicopters.
Speaker 2: It's much more of it to do than this fairly
Speaker 2: sleepy community in the Redwoods is used to having. Community
Speaker 2: members started to show up as well because hey, something
Speaker 2: was happening. A ride up from Crime Thinks website describes
Speaker 2: what happened next quote, Police from every department in the
Speaker 2: county showed up, including a helicopter, canine units, and off
Speaker 2: duty police. Students responded by swarming them. The cops initial
Speaker 2: plan to carry out a mass arrest was thwarted by
Speaker 2: a series of clashes both inside and outside of the building.
Speaker 2: The occupiers beat back police advances despite facing brutality unlike
Speaker 2: anything we have seen over the last day of struggle
Speaker 2: in Humboldt County. Again, it's a pretty sleepy place. There
Speaker 2: were two arrests and a number of injuries. The arrests
Speaker 2: were apparently quite ugly, but police were unable to clear
Speaker 2: out the occupation. Barricades were thrown into place as the
Speaker 2: fighting continued off and on, until a crowd of people
Speaker 2: from the surrounding community, including other students and faculty, showed
Speaker 2: up outside and effectively surrounded the police. After six hours,
Speaker 2: the police retreated. The university declared a lockdown, and the
Speaker 2: students were able to spend the next few days extending
Speaker 2: their defenses as well upset, as well as setting up infrastructure,
Speaker 2: including a kitchen. Early on the morning of the twenty ninth,
Speaker 2: a team from It Could Happen Here sat down with
Speaker 2: two of these students to discuss the occupation.
Speaker 3: I go by Stinger online, and I have been part
Speaker 3: of the occupation since I think the morning of day two.
Speaker 3: I think there's been night after the pops tried to
Speaker 3: enter the bar arcaded building and got pushed back. I
Speaker 3: think I've been here since the morning after that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Blue, And what's been your history with this?
Speaker 4: I came here on Tuesday morning. I just attended a
Speaker 4: meeting with everyone, and I've just been here helping at
Speaker 4: the MAC, mainly because I feel like that's where I'm
Speaker 4: the most useful.
Speaker 2: What's the MAC.
Speaker 4: The MAC is the Mutual Aid kitchen. We've been handing
Speaker 4: out food, and I've just been helping prepare food for
Speaker 4: people and trying to let other people involved do more
Speaker 4: things because I know I'm the most useful in the
Speaker 4: MAC personally, rather than being anywhere else doing anything else.
Speaker 2: By the time we talked to them, the rumor mill
Speaker 2: widely expected the police to carry out a major attempt
Speaker 2: to clear the occupation that night. As I write this
Speaker 2: ten thirteen pm PST on the twenty ninth of April,
Speaker 2: local police have just given Siemens Hall a dispersal order.
Speaker 2: So we'll see how that goes. Hey, everyone, Robert here,
Speaker 2: we saw how it goes. Police cracked down, arrested a
Speaker 2: bunch of people and ended the occupation. We will talk
Speaker 2: more about that a little at the end of the episode.
Speaker 2: But because their initial efforts to clear out the occupation failed,
Speaker 2: police have had to spend nearly a week watching and
Speaker 2: waiting as students dig in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, police have not tried to like actively push us
Speaker 3: out like we've seen on other campuses, where like they've
Speaker 3: totally like rated and like worn down tents and everything.
Speaker 3: And I think we also, I think a big part
Speaker 3: of it is like logistically, we're in a small city
Speaker 3: and we don't really have the police force necessary, Yeah,
Speaker 3: which is why they've been trying to call you know. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: then tried to call officers from other places because especially
Speaker 3: like I feel like in the evenings especially, we have
Speaker 3: a lot of people both from the community and students
Speaker 3: on campus who have been occupying the quad. But what's
Speaker 3: so funny is that our main intention was not like
Speaker 3: the original intention was not to barricade that building. It
Speaker 3: was just going to be occupied, not barricaded. But because
Speaker 3: of police actions, I feel like we've actually stepped up
Speaker 3: more so. They kind of shot themselves on the foot
Speaker 3: with that one.
Speaker 2: This is a pattern we've seen a few times in
Speaker 2: recent years. In late twenty twenty, Garrison and I reported
Speaker 2: from an eviction defense at the famous Red House in Portland.
Speaker 2: The basic idea is that local protesters were trying to
Speaker 2: stop police from serving an eviction during the pandemic. There
Speaker 2: was a clash outside the house and some arrests, but
Speaker 2: police pulled back when protesters were still on the ground
Speaker 2: and in numbers. Said protesters began to fortify the area
Speaker 2: around the house and eventually the entire neighborhood. By the
Speaker 2: time the police realized what was going on on, they
Speaker 2: had a nightmare on their hands, an occupation that would
Speaker 2: have been impossible to clear without significant violence. The end
Speaker 2: result of the situation was that the city government essentially
Speaker 2: negotiated an end to what was happening rather than just
Speaker 2: sending the police back into evict residence. There is much
Speaker 2: more to the whole situation than that. This is something
Speaker 2: people still get angry about because the patriarch of the
Speaker 2: family at Red House was a weirdo sovereign citizen type.
Speaker 2: But the goal at the time was to stop evictions
Speaker 2: during the pandemic, and the tactics of the day worked.
Speaker 2: The cops backed off, the city came to the negotiating table.
Speaker 2: It was a successful action, whatever you think about the
Speaker 2: individuals involved in it. After the call that Garrison Mia
Speaker 2: and myself had with those Humboldt students and we will
Speaker 2: hear more from them later, I got a message from
Speaker 2: a source that an occupation was also brewing on the
Speaker 2: Portland State University campus, or rather that it was going on,
Speaker 2: and folks were worried things were about to escalate. But
Speaker 2: don't you escalate until you've listened to these ads. Anyway,
Speaker 2: here they are, We're back. Actions at Portland State University
Speaker 2: started on Thursday the twenty fifth, and it was initially
Speaker 2: pretty simple. One tent and one banner strung between trees
Speaker 2: in front of the Branford Price Miller Library steps social
Speaker 2: media did its thing. Once this first tent was up,
Speaker 2: and the encampment slowly grew to maybe half a dozen
Speaker 2: tents by midnight. At around one twenty am, the police
Speaker 2: swept the encampment. Only a few people were awake and
Speaker 2: less than twenty people were present against maybe forty riot officers.
Speaker 2: The police pushed people out of the encampment. They went
Speaker 2: straight for the supply tent and took everything, loading medical equipment, food, etc.
Speaker 2: Into City of Portland trucks and hauling it away. It
Speaker 2: was a bad night for a lot of people. But
Speaker 2: what I gleaned from interviewing some of those folks was
Speaker 2: that they had learned one crucial lesson, which was that
Speaker 2: Portland police weren't willing to fuck with people or property
Speaker 2: that was sitting on the PSU steps. This is probably
Speaker 2: a jurisdictional thing. School properties the responsibility of the PSU
Speaker 2: Campus Police PPB could police the park outside, but either
Speaker 2: couldn't or just didn't want to be arced in dealing
Speaker 2: with the complications that might be caused by going into
Speaker 2: school property themselves. So the school had to deal with
Speaker 2: the unenviable complication of the fact that these were their
Speaker 2: students protesting at a famously progressive school and having their
Speaker 2: cops cleared them out, especially if it caused violence or
Speaker 2: somebody got seriously hurt, would be a real pr headache.
Speaker 2: The administration at Humboldt University and famously progressive ARCATA ran
Speaker 2: into a similar problem. In the days after the police
Speaker 2: backed away from their initial confrontation, students developed a list
Speaker 2: of demands by consensus. Here's one of our sources from
Speaker 2: the Humboldt occupation again and their description of the demands
Speaker 2: have been cut together from a longer interview. Some crosstalk
Speaker 2: has been edited out to make things flow a bit
Speaker 2: more clearly. Anyway, here's those demands.
Speaker 3: Okay, So students, with the mediation of faculty, have reached
Speaker 3: out to administration in hopes of re engaging negotiations. So
Speaker 3: we would like administration to agree to the following through demands.
Speaker 3: One de escalator, we demand the immediate removal of police
Speaker 3: from university campus. We also demand the immediate re enrollment
Speaker 3: of students who have been suspended. And it probably is
Speaker 3: to not suspend, resuspend, or expel any student protesters as
Speaker 3: a result of these accusations, because they were claiming you
Speaker 3: know that we had committed property damage and trespassing it
Speaker 3: and things like that, and that was a lot of
Speaker 3: the reasons that they gave for suspending us, like in
Speaker 3: the email we received about interim suspension. Two was diabest.
Speaker 3: We demand that the Kalipoly Humboldt Foundation commits to an
Speaker 3: audit and subsequent divestment from any funds related to Israel,
Speaker 3: Israeli products, or Israeli companies, and this includes those that
Speaker 3: own factories on stolen Palestinian land in Israel. There are
Speaker 3: four specific funds that at the minimum, we demand the
Speaker 3: divestment from within the next six months. These were TILCX, DFSTX,
Speaker 3: fe UPX, and DOODFX. And we did research into these
Speaker 3: holdings that these funds have and how the companies that
Speaker 3: they may have holdings in are connected to Israel. So,
Speaker 3: for example, TILCX, their top three holdings are in Qualcomm,
Speaker 3: Wells Fargo, and Chubb. Qualcom is an information technology company
Speaker 3: that does the majority of its technology development in Israel,
Speaker 3: so they have like factories there and that's kind of
Speaker 3: where they develop their smartphone chips and tracking intelligence, which
Speaker 3: is kind of like two of the main things that
Speaker 3: they work on and sell, and then Wells Fargo was
Speaker 3: part of a five hundred million dollar loan deal with
Speaker 3: multiple other lenders that support that was supporting Elbet Systems,
Speaker 3: which is an Israeli military weapons manufacturer. So those are
Speaker 3: like two of the big ones just from the first
Speaker 3: fund that we had looked into. And our third demand
Speaker 3: was declare in solidarity with universities across the globe and
Speaker 3: for all Palestinian people, including their martyers and refugees. We
Speaker 3: demand a ceasefire statement from KLi Pally Humble calling for
Speaker 3: an immediate and permanent ceasepire in Palestine, and we encourage
Speaker 3: all other California State universities and universities of California to
Speaker 3: do the same. As we were writing this, it was
Speaker 3: we found out that the faculty administration had released a
Speaker 3: ce spire statement, I believe, but the actual like university
Speaker 3: like admin had it like the whole university admin, but
Speaker 3: like the faculty had released a c spire statement. Faculty specifically,
Speaker 3: I know there's there's definitely faculty that have There's some
Speaker 3: faculty who have been with us since day one, like
Speaker 3: camping out with everyone since day one, and it's like
Speaker 3: a lot of the faculty. We like, we are totally
Speaker 3: comfortable putting our trust in like some of these faculty,
Speaker 3: Like if there was an emergency, like I would call them,
Speaker 3: you know, like if there was an emergency on campus
Speaker 3: where like I was about to be arrested, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call up this like professor. Like they have
Speaker 3: been and they have been like trying to you know,
Speaker 3: update us with whatever they hear from Admin. But just
Speaker 3: in like the past few days, we've actually kind of
Speaker 3: discerned that upper admin has sort of cut off contact
Speaker 3: with lower admin and faculty. And this is something that
Speaker 3: we talked about with faculty members as well. Because of
Speaker 3: the significant faculty support that we've been receiving, Administration is
Speaker 3: literally just not telling faculty anything anymore.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it really seems like it's turned into just this
Speaker 5: pure conflict between everyone who is part of the process
Speaker 5: of an education fighting against the admin who are not
Speaker 5: part of that process, who are trying to stop everyone
Speaker 5: with cops.
Speaker 2: Back in Portland, that first failed encampment brought more people
Speaker 2: out the next day, Friday, the twenty sixth, and by noon,
Speaker 2: more tents and a few banners had been set up.
Speaker 2: Student organizations had put together lists of demands. Now these
Speaker 2: demands have varied and have been edited a few times
Speaker 2: after long democratic consensus sessions by people present. The list
Speaker 2: I was presented with when I showed up on Monday
Speaker 2: included three demands. Number one, p you should release a
Speaker 2: statement condemning the genocide of Palestinian people with weapons provided
Speaker 2: by the US. Number two, the university should end the
Speaker 2: sale of Israeli products on campus and any programs that
Speaker 2: involves inding students, employees, or faculty to Israel. And number three,
Speaker 2: the board of trustees should terminate all relationships with Boeing
Speaker 2: and other companies complicit in the ongoing genocide. Their list
Speaker 2: included Leopold, an Oregon based company who makes rifle scopes,
Speaker 2: but also companies like Intel and Hewlett Packard. Boeing was
Speaker 2: the company I heard reference most by protesters. The aerospace company,
Speaker 2: which is involved in the manufacture and design of just
Speaker 2: so many weapons, has a partnership with Portland State University.
Speaker 2: Later on Friday, the same day that these lists of
Speaker 2: demands started coming together, the school president and cut announced
Speaker 2: a pause to the school's relationship with Boeing to address
Speaker 2: these protester demands. Precisely. What pausing this relationship means is unclear,
Speaker 2: and a lot of the people I talked to felt
Speaker 2: like it essentially meant nothing, but cut wrote quote, PSU
Speaker 2: will host a forum at which these concerns can be
Speaker 2: carefully framed and debated. We will organize a two hour
Speaker 2: moderated debate in May to include faculty and student voices,
Speaker 2: so you know whatever that means. By late in the
Speaker 2: day Friday, media had started showing up in numbers to
Speaker 2: report on the occupation, which was still quite small, but
Speaker 2: bigger ones were happening all over the country, and if
Speaker 2: your local news you want to do anything you can
Speaker 2: to tie your area into whatever the big story is nationwide,
Speaker 2: so you know, good excuse to show up. There was
Speaker 2: also some conflict between local student groups at this point
Speaker 2: and unaffiliated groups of activists, some of whom were also students,
Speaker 2: over whether or not to keep occupying over the weekend
Speaker 2: and keep attempting to you know, keep an occupation in
Speaker 2: place despite police crackdowns, or to save their strength for
Speaker 2: a new concerted push on Monday. At any rate, some
Speaker 2: people stayed, and by seven pm that night Friday night,
Speaker 2: the Portland Police Bureau showed back up in full riot gear.
Speaker 2: Park rangers told protesters to exit the park area, and
Speaker 2: a stand off ensued. While some protesters confronted police head on.
Speaker 2: A smaller group of activists used this as a distraction
Speaker 2: to move a number of tents onto the library steps,
Speaker 2: having noticed that PPB didn't seem to be willing to
Speaker 2: go directly onto campus property. Once this was done, the
Speaker 2: folks confronting the riot line gradually pulled back to the steps.
Speaker 2: The police seemed confused or at least put out by this.
Speaker 2: They left for a while, then returned briefly to cut
Speaker 2: down the banners hung on the trees. I was told
Speaker 2: a number of people mentioned this kind of laughingly when
Speaker 2: I was around that the way in which the police
Speaker 2: justified this was that a recent anti camping public camping
Speaker 2: measure meant to target the homeless specified that the kind
Speaker 2: of thing that a banner hung again like Basically, the
Speaker 2: fact that the banner touched trees in two different areas,
Speaker 2: or like touched two different trees meant that it would
Speaker 2: count it as a tent, and so they were allowed
Speaker 2: to take it down. It all sounded pretty silly to me,
Speaker 2: but students and others on campus property in the library
Speaker 2: were left to barricade the area around the library at will.
Speaker 2: They started with palettes brought by an anonymous benefactor. Both
Speaker 2: sides of the staircases into the library were initially blocked.
Speaker 2: This only lasted until Saturday morning, when Anne cud, president
Speaker 2: of the university since August of twenty twenty three, visited
Speaker 2: the encampment. Different protesters I have talked to related this
Speaker 2: event in different ways. Some described her visit as essentially chill.
Speaker 2: Others described Anne as quite angry and even threatening them.
Speaker 2: I was not there. The end result was an agreement, though,
Speaker 2: If protesters allowed students to continue to have access to
Speaker 2: the doorway into the library so students could still use
Speaker 2: the library, PSU wouldn't send in their cops or call
Speaker 2: in the city cops to clear out the occupation. After
Speaker 2: what one source described as much heated discussion, protesters agreed
Speaker 2: to this arrangement. Now, variations of stuff like this are
Speaker 2: common in occupations in schools that get this far. School
Speaker 2: faculty are often sympathetic to student actions, or at least
Speaker 2: to the students taking part in them, and supporting crackdowns
Speaker 2: is dicey for the administration at Humboldt State University. The
Speaker 2: administration attempted to de escalate and eventually euthanize the movement
Speaker 2: by trying to provide a safety valve, a way for
Speaker 2: students who'd had enough to leave, along with the suggestion
Speaker 2: but not the actual legally binding promise that they wouldn't
Speaker 2: be punished if they did. And here's another clip from
Speaker 2: that interview. I understand that the school even set up
Speaker 2: basically a booth where you could come and officially like
Speaker 2: de register yourself from the protests in order to not
Speaker 2: get expelled or something like that. Is that a like
Speaker 2: I think you're It was unclear to me from what
Speaker 2: I read like exactly how that system was supposed to function,
Speaker 2: but it seemed kind of shait.
Speaker 6: So they wanted us to So they set up a
Speaker 6: table by one of the exits, and they wanted us
Speaker 6: to like give them like our information, and they were like,
Speaker 6: if you do this, you won't get immediately arrested.
Speaker 3: But keep in mind, they said, not immediately we arrested.
Speaker 3: And they even clarified like in their alert about this.
Speaker 3: They were like, by the way, this doesn't protect you
Speaker 3: from any future consequences, So it was like, why would
Speaker 3: we do that? Then? What is that doing for any
Speaker 3: of us? I don't think a single person took that opportunity.
Speaker 2: Back in Portland. After the detunt with the school administration,
Speaker 2: things continued awkwardly but smoothly. For the next day or so.
Speaker 2: Protesters continued to fortify the library defenses while students entered
Speaker 2: and exited and used it at will, although the school
Speaker 2: did shut it down early on Monday. In the meantime,
Speaker 2: protesters use the small space available to them to set
Speaker 2: up minimal infrastructure as an humble, small kitchen tent was
Speaker 2: put up, along with a large dra medical tent, a
Speaker 2: designated smoking area tent, and an art station for people
Speaker 2: to make signs to hang from the barricades. Donations began
Speaker 2: coming in on Saturday night and flooded in on Sunday,
Speaker 2: the point that by Monday protesters had stopped accepting donations
Speaker 2: of a lot of stuff like food and water, but
Speaker 2: also things like batteries and generators because they just didn't
Speaker 2: have room to take any more of them. During these
Speaker 2: weekend days and nights, those of the encampment discussed demands,
Speaker 2: their plans, and strategy for the future. One topic of
Speaker 2: discussion involved the houseless. Would local houseless people be welcome
Speaker 2: inside the encampment and would they be welcomed to some
Speaker 2: of the donated resources. The ultimate decision, and I hear
Speaker 2: that this was not a particularly controversial one, was yes.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I should also note here that the Humboldt students we
Speaker 2: talked with claimed that their school's treatment of houseless residents earlier,
Speaker 2: like a couple of years ago, was one of the
Speaker 2: inciting incidents of this occupation. Obviously, the genocide in Gaza
Speaker 2: was the spark and purpose for why why the occupation
Speaker 2: it Humboldt happened, and why this occupation at PSU happened.
Speaker 2: But nothing happens in a vacuum. And I wanted to
Speaker 2: include this bit from the interview because I think it's interesting.
Speaker 7: We're joking that this is like the third strike for administration,
Speaker 7: because in twenty twenty two, the La Times released an
Speaker 7: article about how administration was kicking homeless students off campus
Speaker 7: for living in their vehicles. Jesus, and I believe our university,
Speaker 7: out of all the cal States, has the highest rate
Speaker 7: of homeless students. Yeah, and so this kind of this
Speaker 7: outrage a lot of people, including people on campus. We
Speaker 7: actually had a few days encampment on campus for that too,
Speaker 7: I believe, and I feel like that never really got
Speaker 7: the It got partially resolved, but Admin was like really
Speaker 7: fighting against all the possible options because there was like
Speaker 7: a couple of people arguing that, like we keep in mind,
Speaker 7: I don't even think these people were from campus, but
Speaker 7: apparently the two people like filed complaints about how the
Speaker 7: people are living in their cars were like messy or something,
Speaker 7: and so one of our requests was like, Okay, maybe
Speaker 7: like we could get a few more gumpsters or trash
Speaker 7: cans in the area where people are living. Yeah, And
Speaker 7: I'm just totally fought back against that, and so that
Speaker 7: was like what we're jokingly calling, like, oh, that was
Speaker 7: like strike one and then strike two.
Speaker 3: We were saying, is the faculty strike that happened earlier
Speaker 3: I think this semester that was I think all over
Speaker 3: the state, But it really only lasted like one day,
Speaker 3: despite the momentum for possibly lasting longer than that. And
Speaker 3: Admin wanted like sent out an email saying like if
Speaker 3: your faculty isn't holding classes, put their names here, and
Speaker 3: obviously all of us were like, what are you talking
Speaker 3: like you want us to, like, you're asking us to
Speaker 3: snitch on our professors of faculty right now. So that's
Speaker 3: what we're joking his life strike too, because we're like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're not doing that. And then this is what we're
Speaker 3: calling strike three. And I was like joking earlier to everyone.
Speaker 3: I was like, strike three and we're out. Strike three
Speaker 3: and they're out, and everyone was like, yeah, I freaking hope.
Speaker 2: So campus occupations like this are always complex things, not
Speaker 2: just in the different motivating factors that come together to
Speaker 2: make situations like this possible, but in the ways in
Speaker 2: which extant student groups and organizations that arise spontaneously due
Speaker 2: to the pressures of the moment, interface and interact. When
Speaker 2: I arrived at the encampment at about one PM, I
Speaker 2: was introduced to several media liaisons for the occupation. They
Speaker 2: were extremely careful with what they said. A lot of
Speaker 2: it was just kind of repeating the list of agreed
Speaker 2: upon demands that the protesters had come up with. I
Speaker 2: did ask about a few other things. I wanted to
Speaker 2: know how protests in twenty twenty in protests on other
Speaker 2: campus had impacted the tactics being seen here. The most
Speaker 2: common response, I got to my questions where variations of
Speaker 2: that's not something we'd like to talk about. But they
Speaker 2: did go into detail in a couple of things, and
Speaker 2: one of those was what it would take to actually
Speaker 2: conclude this occupation. They noted that if representatives of the
Speaker 2: campus administration, including the president, were to come to them
Speaker 2: and make concrete steps to divest from Boeing and other
Speaker 2: military contractors that the school currently has a direct financial
Speaker 2: relationship with, that that could be the basis for moving
Speaker 2: forward in some way to start reducing the extent of
Speaker 2: the encampment. Possibly, so that seemed to be kind of
Speaker 2: their line, if we actually see some real evidence that
Speaker 2: the school is divesting from these military investments that they have,
Speaker 2: will be willing to negotiate further. But what the school
Speaker 2: has done thus far, basically just announcing a pause and
Speaker 2: saying we'll meet about the Boeing thing later, that's not enough.
Speaker 2: The liaise I talked to also made it clear that
Speaker 2: they found the wide wave of campus actions around the
Speaker 2: country inspiring and that that had had an impact on
Speaker 2: how things were being carried out at PSU. I was
Speaker 2: pretty impressed by their message. Disciplined to be honest, As
Speaker 2: a journalist, you want people to talk to you, but
Speaker 2: actions like this are dangerous, and cops aren't the only danger.
Speaker 2: Anytime your movement gets pressed, the attention that it attracts
Speaker 2: will also attract grifters, particularly of the right wing variety,
Speaker 2: people who want to find someone they can catch saying
Speaker 2: something aggressive or dumb, or that just sounds bad out
Speaker 2: of context. You, as organizers and activists, want to keep
Speaker 2: attention on your goals and message and away from that
Speaker 2: kind of bullshit. I should also note that there were
Speaker 2: some mentions of their desire that the campus essentially carry
Speaker 2: out an amnesty policy for people who had already been
Speaker 2: involved in the occupation, so that nobody would get kicked
Speaker 2: out of the school as a result of their participation
Speaker 2: in this movement. I've heard similar things from the protesters
Speaker 2: and Humboldt. Yeah, it was an interesting conversation. And what's
Speaker 2: also interesting are these ads and we're back as my
Speaker 2: time at the protest on Monday, war On Individuals from
Speaker 2: the occupation would occasionally march through the crowd and around
Speaker 2: the encampment, which grew at its height of the day
Speaker 2: to around five hundred or so people. In the late afternoon.
Speaker 2: This was a mix of protesters, including people from a
Speaker 2: march that had formed elsewhere and ended up at PSU,
Speaker 2: and some bystanders, a lot of whom were students sitting
Speaker 2: nearby dorms. People who were members of the occupation would
Speaker 2: ask passers by and media not to film protesters and
Speaker 2: encourage folks to get involved and help with the occupation.
Speaker 2: Pamphlets on their goals were handed out, and pamphlets on
Speaker 2: radical political action were passed around. There were also some
Speaker 2: people tabling for different causes. There was one group of
Speaker 2: people who were taking down folks information in order to
Speaker 2: support essentially a ballot measure that would increase the tax
Speaker 2: on corporations worth more than twenty five million dollars that
Speaker 2: were based in the city of Portland, which sounded nice
Speaker 2: to me. And in addition to that, there were people
Speaker 2: who were working to organize a you know, you know,
Speaker 2: one of those Sorry is very late, but essentially how
Speaker 2: people are a lot of people are attempting to get
Speaker 2: people to organize to like register is unaffiliated and the
Speaker 2: primaries especially in order to like, you know, make a
Speaker 2: statement to the Biden administration about their support of Israel.
Speaker 2: There were folks who were trying to raise and get
Speaker 2: people involved in that as well. So again, you know,
Speaker 2: it was like many protests of this size involved a
Speaker 2: lot of people. Sometimes in the past, especially in Portland,
Speaker 2: I have seen kind of more extreme and yeah, let's
Speaker 2: say extreme activists get angry at stuff like this, particularly
Speaker 2: when it's asking for folks to fill out or sign petitions.
Speaker 2: There's some concern obviously that that could effectively dos people
Speaker 2: who were there. I've always found that concern a little silly.
Speaker 2: I think people can be trusted to kind of measure
Speaker 2: their own threat matrix and decide am I going to
Speaker 2: be doing anything at this protest? That means I shouldn't
Speaker 2: put down on a piece of paper that I was
Speaker 2: around here that issue I didn't notice at this protest.
Speaker 2: Everyone seemed pretty copasetic and as a general rule, it
Speaker 2: was quite peaceful. Folks seemed more or less on the
Speaker 2: same page. The mostly masked protesters that I met were
Speaker 2: a pretty diverse lot, and this included a number of
Speaker 2: Muslim students, at least one of whom I watched prey
Speaker 2: before taking their place on the barricade. I also noticed
Speaker 2: numbers of students in his jobs watching from nearby windows
Speaker 2: and eventually from the park out in front of the occupation.
Speaker 2: From conversations I had on the ground, I became aware
Speaker 2: of the fact that several student organizations were hesitant to support,
Speaker 2: particularly the weekend occupations, as they had had concerns for
Speaker 2: the safety of their Palestinian members. One particularly salient fear
Speaker 2: was that foreign students who participated and were arrested might
Speaker 2: risk not just their academic status but their ability to
Speaker 2: stay in country. And I know that a number of
Speaker 2: the protesters I met there who were particularly you know,
Speaker 2: white folks, felt like one reason they needed to participate
Speaker 2: was that they could participate without taking that kind of risk.
Speaker 2: On for the largest portion of the day Monday, I
Speaker 2: watched as activists reinforce the barricades on one side of
Speaker 2: the library, and the crowd grew quite large in the park.
Speaker 2: Some signs I saw among the crowd and on the
Speaker 2: barricade included mass college protests are always on the right
Speaker 2: side of history, and fuck your homework. People are dying.
Speaker 2: There were speeches, but not much in the way of
Speaker 2: action until very late in the day, when all but
Speaker 2: maybe one hundred and fifty or so of the crowd
Speaker 2: had filtered away. My notes at the time say the
Speaker 2: big change happened around fifty five pm. By this point
Speaker 2: in the early evening, I had seen very little of
Speaker 2: the police. Every now and then, a few PSU cruisers
Speaker 2: would come by circling the area, and small groups of
Speaker 2: four or five hecklers carrying makeshift fishing poles with donuts
Speaker 2: on them would run beside the squad cars, basically trying
Speaker 2: to like tempt the police officers to go grab the donuts.
Speaker 2: This seemed to demoralize the campus officers enough that they
Speaker 2: mostly stayed away. I believe that at this point the
Speaker 2: city's plan and the administration's plan was to avoid doing
Speaker 2: anything fucked up and violent in front of such a
Speaker 2: large crowd, because that would be to risk restarting the
Speaker 2: whole twenty twenty Portland protest cycle. Again. Remember, it's not
Speaker 2: just as simple as can we crush this protest? But
Speaker 2: if we go kick all these people out now and
Speaker 2: a bunch of them get seen in broad daylight getting
Speaker 2: beaten and gassed, does that mean we have to deal
Speaker 2: with thousands of people in the street tomorrow. Honestly, staying
Speaker 2: away was the smart play on behalf of the police,
Speaker 2: and as a result of them making the smart play,
Speaker 2: protesters in the encampment were themselves confronted with a choice.
Speaker 2: The space that they had been allowed by the school
Speaker 2: to occupy in the sort of weird Dayton situation had
Speaker 2: been filled both with donations and just the number of
Speaker 2: people who were inside the occupation. There was no room
Speaker 2: to make it any bigger. So their next options were
Speaker 2: either number one, expand the occupation to the park and
Speaker 2: the Portland Police Bureau has the ability to legal ability
Speaker 2: and obviously the gear to clear out the park. In addition,
Speaker 2: just from a tactical level, it's difficult to defend an
Speaker 2: encampment in that park the way that it's set up.
Speaker 2: You really don't have. You know, you're kind of surrounded
Speaker 2: on all sides. The police can really mess with you.
Speaker 2: I've been gassed in that park a few times, I'm
Speaker 2: quite aware. The other option they had was take the
Speaker 2: entire library building and force a response from both PSU
Speaker 2: and the city government. This would obviously give them warm
Speaker 2: boom to mendover, give them more room to take in
Speaker 2: more people, and it would force an escalation with the
Speaker 2: city government and with the school, which is you know
Speaker 2: what they were looking for. Again, this is overall about
Speaker 2: particularly their school, not divesting from companies that they see
Speaker 2: is complicit in the genocide in Gaza, and about you know,
Speaker 2: wanting to force a response from that school's leadership. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot more to it than that, but that's
Speaker 2: what they were trying to do, and that's what they
Speaker 2: chose to do. A little before seven pm, someone on
Speaker 2: a bullhorn came out and began asking all of the
Speaker 2: people who were still there who was willing to engage
Speaker 2: in real militant action, and for those people to come
Speaker 2: help occupy the library. Those who were less willing to
Speaker 2: risk charges but still down for the cause should form
Speaker 2: ranks out in front of the property. There were people
Speaker 2: with shields, etc. They were looked like little bitty phealanxes.
Speaker 2: You know, people had a mix of umbrellas and shields
Speaker 2: and you know, usually two lines thick or so of
Speaker 2: people linking on arms. And I thought at first they
Speaker 2: were just kind of getting ready for the police to
Speaker 2: come in to sort of resist the charge if they
Speaker 2: occupied more of the library, But that's not what happened.
Speaker 2: For a few minutes, different organizers kind of put these
Speaker 2: groups of people together and drilled them, walk them through
Speaker 2: basic tactics, talked about what they should expect, and not
Speaker 2: long after this, two different PSU police cruisers began to
Speaker 2: approach from two different streets both of these different groups
Speaker 2: of people. These little platoons split up and one would
Speaker 2: confront each vehicle. The officers were badly outnumbered in both cases,
Speaker 2: and they pulled back and essentially left the library without
Speaker 2: anyone really watching over it. The activists who were inside
Speaker 2: the library used this as an excuse to occupy the
Speaker 2: rest of the building. Once the police cruisers had been
Speaker 2: forced back, the protesters from these platoons started grabbing heavy
Speaker 2: objects that were just around them on the campus and
Speaker 2: dragging them back to fortify the entrances and exits to
Speaker 2: the structure. Much of this took the form of bl
Speaker 2: black clad activists swarming onto a sports field behind the
Speaker 2: library and grabbing soccer goals, football training sleds, and other
Speaker 2: heavy pieces of equipment and using them to wall off
Speaker 2: exits and entrances to the ground floor of the building.
Speaker 2: I watched one group of protesters cut through locks to
Speaker 2: liberate a pair of dumpsters, which quickly found their way
Speaker 2: into the barricades in the front of the structure. I
Speaker 2: did not enter the library, fairly certain that would have
Speaker 2: been illegal, but I did see numerous people running around
Speaker 2: on floors above ground level setting up the space for
Speaker 2: a proper occupation. I was told by at least one
Speaker 2: person that activists were purposely keeping the interior space accessible
Speaker 2: to those with wheelchairs, and there were a number of
Speaker 2: folks with wheelchairs who I saw outside at the occupation.
Speaker 2: I did not see any specific people inside. I left
Speaker 2: after nine pm, having been on the ground and wearing
Speaker 2: my armor for about eight hours the day after landing
Speaker 2: back in Portland. That was all I had in me,
Speaker 2: but quite a few people were still present, both outside
Speaker 2: and inside the library when I left. Roughly an hour
Speaker 2: after I got home and started writing this episode at
Speaker 2: about eleven pm PST, a series of frantic late night
Speaker 2: phone calls resulted in the president of PSU, Portland Mayor
Speaker 2: Ted Wheeler, the Chief of Police for Portland and the
Speaker 2: City DA Mike Schmidt, holding an emergency press conference. Local
Speaker 2: KTU reporter tan vy Varma summarized the conference message this
Speaker 2: way on Twitter. Quote. PSU president said the protesters have
Speaker 2: damaged property and have broken into the library. She says
Speaker 2: she cannot entertain property damage or breaking an entering. She
Speaker 2: asked them to choose to engage civilly. She says they'll
Speaker 2: be asking PPB to remove the trespassers from the library.
Speaker 2: PPB Police chief says he'd like to resolve this with
Speaker 2: no force or arrests. He has asked those who are
Speaker 2: breaking the law in the protest to stop. It's unclear
Speaker 2: to me at present how many of this is going
Speaker 2: to shake out. As I type this, the occupation at
Speaker 2: Humboldt is under heavy attack and it sounds like it's
Speaker 2: going to be quite ugly. Hey everyone, so you know
Speaker 2: again this is a little messy because I wrote this
Speaker 2: late last night. I woke up in the morning to
Speaker 2: listen to the edit of it and some things that
Speaker 2: happened in the early hours of Tuesday morning. About twenty
Speaker 2: five people were arrested after more than a hundred riot
Speaker 2: officers arrived at the cal Poly Humboldt campus and cracked
Speaker 2: down on the Gaza protest occupation. Riot police arrived around
Speaker 2: two thirty am. Legal observers say, no injuries. It's kind
Speaker 2: of really unclear to me how bad it was. What
Speaker 2: actually happened. But you know, quite a few people have
Speaker 2: been arrested, and at this point it looks like they're
Speaker 2: being charged with some pretty narly crimes conspiracy, I think,
Speaker 2: assault on a police officer. So this is one of
Speaker 2: those things that's going to be an ongoing story. The
Speaker 2: university accused the occupiers of doing more than a million
Speaker 2: dollars worth of damage to university property. I'll actually just
Speaker 2: read a quote here from an MSN article. Those arrested
Speaker 2: faced a range of different charges depending on individual circumstances,
Speaker 2: including unlawful assembly, vandalism, conspiracy, assault of police officers, and others.
Speaker 2: In addition, students could face discipline for conduct violations, while
Speaker 2: any university employees arrested could face disciplinary action. That's them
Speaker 2: quoting a university news release. So that's kind of where
Speaker 2: we are with cal Poly Humboldt. I wanted to note
Speaker 2: that the folks that we talk to, who I hope
Speaker 2: are doing well, had requested that we send people to
Speaker 2: donate to a bail fund if at all possible. If
Speaker 2: you want to find that and support the Humboldt protesters,
Speaker 2: you can go to rally dot org slash arc bailfund.
Speaker 2: That's rally dot org slash AARC bail fund, so that
Speaker 2: would help out with those folks who currently need it.
Speaker 2: There has also been a request to call the university
Speaker 2: and request the release of Humboldt protesters for Palestine. The
Speaker 2: CPH University police phone number is seven oh seven eight
Speaker 2: two six five five five five. There is a suggested
Speaker 2: script which I'm going to read here. Hi, my name
Speaker 2: is blank, and I demand the immediate release of the
Speaker 2: arrested Humble student and faculty protesters for Palestine. They should
Speaker 2: not be charged, let alone rated an attack for being
Speaker 2: on the right side of history. They include, but are
Speaker 2: not only, Fern McBride, Olivia Fox, Jared Cruz, Ruhala Agacella,
Speaker 2: Lana Word, Alison Merton, Isaiah Morales, and Adelmi Ruiz. So
Speaker 2: that's where things are with Humboldt University. My thoughts are
Speaker 2: with the people who are arrested, the people who were
Speaker 2: forced out of the occupation. As of the recording and
Speaker 2: airing of this episode, the occupation at the PSU library
Speaker 2: is still in progress, and what will happen there is
Speaker 2: less clear. Throughout today Tuesday, the police and city government
Speaker 2: have made some pretty aggressive statements about clearing out the
Speaker 2: occupation about you know, criminal behavior there being unacceptable about
Speaker 2: their suspicion that there's been significant damage done to university property.
Speaker 2: For their part, protesters have promised they will not damage
Speaker 2: any books. You know, We're going to see what's going
Speaker 2: to actually happen. What is clear to me at this
Speaker 2: point is that in the last day or so, the
Speaker 2: situation has gone from managed something where the police were
Speaker 2: every now and then clearing out tents and it was
Speaker 2: relatively under control, to something so out of control that
Speaker 2: it necessitated a late night press conference by the whole
Speaker 2: city government. So we will see where everything concludes with
Speaker 2: the PSU occupation, if the police come in and carry
Speaker 2: out a raid as was done an Humboldt, or if
Speaker 2: the university administration is willing to actually come to the
Speaker 2: table and make some of these solid steps towards divesting
Speaker 2: the university from companies like Boeing, which is what the
Speaker 2: protesters are demanding. All really unclear, but yeah, we will
Speaker 2: continue to cover this and you all continue to be
Speaker 2: angry about bad things, and yeah, I don't know, I'm
Speaker 2: still very tired. Good luck to everybody who is out
Speaker 2: there in the streets. Robert Evan, and I wanted to
Speaker 2: give an update on Wednesday night. I'm recording this around
Speaker 2: four point forty pm on Wednesday, but a day after
Speaker 2: I recorded the original ending to this, some more stuff
Speaker 2: has happened. The occupation has continued. You know, on Monday night,
Speaker 2: only a small number of people stayed behind. I think
Speaker 2: there may be something like a dozen I was told
Speaker 2: who actually slept in the library that night. There was
Speaker 2: kind of an anticipation that the cops could come at
Speaker 2: any minute. The next day, word spread about the occupation
Speaker 2: and there were a lot more people in the library
Speaker 2: on Tuesday night, and as a result, it seems as
Speaker 2: if plans that had initially been down for the police
Speaker 2: to rate on Tuesday night were canceled. The Government of
Speaker 2: Portland published an article today and I'm going to quote
Speaker 2: from it here. The Portland Police Bureau places an emphasis
Speaker 2: on de escalation and time is a key de escalation
Speaker 2: tactic that we use whenever possible. That has not been
Speaker 2: my experience with them. If police action can be delayed
Speaker 2: to a time when conditions are safer, we will do so.
Speaker 2: An example of this occurred Tuesday evening. A plan was
Speaker 2: in place to resolve the library incident. However, conditions changed
Speaker 2: and the incident commander made the decision to delay for
Speaker 2: the well being of all concerned. My guess is that
Speaker 2: the conditions that changed largely were how many people were
Speaker 2: on the ground, as well as the fact that they
Speaker 2: didn't feel comfortable with their understanding of how much access
Speaker 2: students had gotten. You know, they didn't have a full
Speaker 2: operational plan involved. The police publication notes that there was
Speaker 2: a rumor circulated that the planned operation was scuttled due
Speaker 2: to a decision made by the DA's office. This is
Speaker 2: because the current District Attorney, Mike Schmidt, is considered a progressive.
Speaker 2: He made a decision not to prosecute all of the
Speaker 2: acts that he could have prosecuted in twenty twenty and
Speaker 2: has been kind of consistently attacked by the police and
Speaker 2: by conservatives in the city for this decision ever since.
Speaker 2: Schmidt did prosecute quite a few people in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: and beyond, and his from the beginning of all of
Speaker 2: this said that his office will prosecute students and anyone
Speaker 2: else involved with the occupation. I think this is just
Speaker 2: election you're messaging by the police going after Schmidt because
Speaker 2: they want more of a hardliner in. In either case,
Speaker 2: nothing was done Tuesday. The occupation continued to spread on
Speaker 2: Tuesday night. Students had a movie night. On Wednesday night.
Speaker 2: As I basically, as I record this, there's a barbecue
Speaker 2: and a lot of this is occurring kind of outside
Speaker 2: of the library and like the law and area around it.
Speaker 2: The idea basically being to keep numbers up in and
Speaker 2: around the library occupation to make it more politically costly
Speaker 2: and just harder for the police to actually force everyone out.
Speaker 2: While all this has been going on, faculty and student
Speaker 2: organizers have been meeting with the president of the university.
Speaker 2: Students refused initially to come to a negotiating table unless
Speaker 2: the demand their demands for full amnesty were guaranteed for
Speaker 2: students and non students who were taking part in the occupation.
Speaker 2: This is something when I talked to folks on Monday night,
Speaker 2: the focus was on There was some time talk of amnesty,
Speaker 2: but a lot of the primary thing I was told
Speaker 2: about was that the school needed to divest from Boeing
Speaker 2: and other arms manufacturers. The demand for amnesty has grown
Speaker 2: as the occupation has become more of a real thing,
Speaker 2: which it had started to be by the end of
Speaker 2: my time there. On Monday, there was some initial talk
Speaker 2: from the university president that she was willing to not
Speaker 2: press charges if the students who were involved agreed not
Speaker 2: to violate the student Code of Conduct for the rest
Speaker 2: of their time at the university and basically handed all
Speaker 2: of their names over to the university. That was not
Speaker 2: an agreement that wound up coming through, very similar to
Speaker 2: what we saw at Humboldt right where you've got this
Speaker 2: the school being like, well, we'll offer some sort of amnesty,
Speaker 2: even though we can't really promise full amnesty because the
Speaker 2: DA can choose to prosecute people still, but if you
Speaker 2: sign your name up on this list that you were
Speaker 2: here in committing crimes, will kind of try to do
Speaker 2: something that did not wind up de escalating the situation.
Speaker 2: And as I record this, the library at PSU is
Speaker 2: still occupied by students. We'll see how all of this goes.
Speaker 2: You know, I've heard a number of things from inside
Speaker 2: the occupation. It's kind of one of those things where
Speaker 2: the full details of what's happening will shake out. It's been,
Speaker 2: as these things always are a little bit messy. The
Speaker 2: first night I was there, and up through you know,
Speaker 2: a sizable chunk of Tuesday. You can find articles from
Speaker 2: media who showed up saying that protesters wouldn't let them in.
Speaker 2: And then at some point the people at the gates
Speaker 2: so to speak, changed and a number of press got
Speaker 2: in and took some pictures of the occupation. You can
Speaker 2: find those online. There's a lot of local reporters koyn
Speaker 2: and whatnot who have published different things about the occupation.
Speaker 2: It's been interesting to see like the reactions of different
Speaker 2: reporters because they change based on like the kind of
Speaker 2: the reporter who's there, and kind of I think, how
Speaker 2: personable they are with people and the folks that they
Speaker 2: wind up meeting. So you'll you'll find some local reporters
Speaker 2: being like everyone was really nice, and some local reporters
Speaker 2: being like everybody was really mean. They wouldn't let me in,
Speaker 2: And it's you know, these are not uncommon things to
Speaker 2: encounter when you're seeing press interact with a protest like this.
Speaker 2: One of the things I do find interesting that has
Speaker 2: been emphasized to me by some of the older protesters
Speaker 2: who have been taking part in aspects of this occupation
Speaker 2: is that the student protesters who are organizing and leading this,
Speaker 2: who are of course younger and we're too young to
Speaker 2: have generally been involved in like twenty twenty stuff, are
Speaker 2: really open minded, you know, despite kind of political disagreements
Speaker 2: that may exist between people, there's this understanding that like
Speaker 2: folks are a lot less ossified and their beliefs about
Speaker 2: what constitutes valid action and what constitutes, you know, how
Speaker 2: people should proceed with things like generally. That has been
Speaker 2: impressed upon me by some of the older activists is
Speaker 2: that these younger student organizers seem much more open minded
Speaker 2: and optimistic about accomplishing things and trying new things. And
Speaker 2: this is definitely a different kind of occupation Portland has seen.
Speaker 2: I noticed some of that on the first night earlier
Speaker 2: in their core I made that comment about how I
Speaker 2: noticed that people were out kind of taking petitions and
Speaker 2: whatnot for different bills, taking advantage of the fact that
Speaker 2: there was a crowd who had gathered for the protest,
Speaker 2: and that in the past I had seen folks like
Speaker 2: that have issue with members of the crowd and I
Speaker 2: didn't really notice that this time. And I guess maybe
Speaker 2: that comes down to some of what some of these
Speaker 2: older activists have told me, which is that a lot
Speaker 2: of the student organizers here are kind of less set
Speaker 2: in some of their ways.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: We we'll see as this all continues to develop. There's
Speaker 2: a very good chance that by the time you hear
Speaker 2: this episode by Thursday morning, the police will have raided.
Speaker 2: That's definitely been happening all around the country. You know,
Speaker 2: as we have researched and recorded these episodes, there have
Speaker 2: been police crackdowns at Columbia University, at UC San Diego,
Speaker 2: at UCLA. We've seen, you know, a lot of pretty
Speaker 2: hideous things on the news in regards to these student occupations.
Speaker 2: And there's a very good chance that Lynd will have
Speaker 2: joined that parade of ugly videos by the time this
Speaker 2: comes up. But as I record this, there's a barbecue
Speaker 2: going on, and I hope that will be the case
Speaker 2: tomorrow as well. Bye.
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