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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A gorgeous mom disappears from her own home. Where is Echo?

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: A Missouri mother disappears last scene at a local discount store.

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Speaker 3: Her family desperate to find Echo Lloyd.

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Speaker 1: Mom for Echo.

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Speaker 2: Lloyd goes to a discount store, then comes home and

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Speaker 2: is apparently never seen again.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense, listen.

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Speaker 4: Kelsey Smith drops by her mother's home with Mother's Day gifts.

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Speaker 4: Echo's car is not in the driveway. Kelsey leaves a

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Speaker 4: purple potted plant and a card. The card has a

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Speaker 4: message for Echo to call when she gets the gifts.

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Speaker 1: Echo doesn't.

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Speaker 4: After a week with no contact, Kelsey returns to her

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Speaker 4: mom's home.

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Speaker 2: Highly highly unusual for Mom Echo to go over a

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Speaker 2: day without speaking to her daughter. The daughter going to

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Speaker 2: the home banging banging on the door, trying to reach Mom.

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Speaker 2: Echo can't reach her. Take a look at this beautiful

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Speaker 2: mom of four Echo Lloyd.

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Speaker 1: Where is Echo? Joining me?

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Speaker 2: Wendy Patrick, renowned prosecutor, author of Why Bad Looks So Good?

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Speaker 2: Second book, Reading People, How to Understand people, predict their

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Speaker 2: behavior anytime, any place. She is the star of Today

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Speaker 2: with doctor Wendy on Casey BQ Wendy. Behavior evidence or

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Speaker 2: routine evidence not predictable as in routine, but evidence of

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Speaker 2: your normal routine.

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Speaker 1: For instance, if the camera.

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Speaker 2: Came to this seat and I was not in it,

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Speaker 2: that would be breaking routine and that means something path Wendy,

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Speaker 2: what does it mean?

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Speaker 5: It is powerful evidence of how of custom, of pattern

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Speaker 5: of practice, and it comes into evidence most frequently when

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Speaker 5: there's a gap. When there's a lag, when somebody like

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Speaker 5: Echo who follows the same routine, or anybody it suddenly

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Speaker 5: fails to follow the routine. They're disappearing. They don't show

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Speaker 5: up at work, they don't show up to pick children

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Speaker 6: So that type of.

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Speaker 5: Pattern evidence, even the route somebody takes to and from.

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Speaker 6: Work, all of that is powerful evidence in court.

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Speaker 5: When it's disrupted, that's when we start asking questions.

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Speaker 2: The break and ones predictable routine. Think about it, Do

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Speaker 2: you have a routine?

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Speaker 1: I do. I wake up at five o'clock, I clean

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Speaker 1: out the guinea pig cage. I take care of my

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Speaker 1: mom and take her breakfast.

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Speaker 2: I then wake up the twins, get them ready and

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Speaker 1: That is a predictable routine.

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Speaker 2: Same thing happened in another very high profile case, the

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Speaker 2: disappearance of a beautiful young girl, Jennifer Kessi.

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Speaker 7: It looked like she slept in her bed. She had

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Speaker 7: two or three outfits laid out on the bed as

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Speaker 7: if she was choosing an outfit to wear she as

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Speaker 7: was stated, the bathroom looked like someone got ready to

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Speaker 7: go to work. The rest of the condo was just perfect.

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Speaker 7: It honestly looked like a maid came through, right down

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Speaker 7: to a full setting, four piece setting table setting on

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Speaker 7: her dining room table.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense joining me is a veteran PI

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Speaker 2: twenty six years on the police force as a detective

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Speaker 2: now with Barry and Associates Investigative Services. Did you hear

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Speaker 2: that Barry talking about Jennifer Kessy And oh that was

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Speaker 2: me speaking to her father, Drew Cassie. We've been working

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Speaker 2: that cold case for so long, but that heartbreaking detail

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Speaker 2: of her keeping her little condo so perfect and in

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Speaker 2: order that she even had the four piece table setting

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Speaker 2: still sitting on her dining room table when mom and

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Speaker 2: dad got there.

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Speaker 1: When she didn't show up to work.

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Speaker 2: That's a heartbreaking detail that has always stuck with me, Barry.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 8: It does, and it doesn't make sense at all. You know,

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Speaker 8: people when they set patterns like that and you see

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Speaker 8: it disrupted, it's a good indicator that something is just

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Speaker 8: not right. And you know you know that right from

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Speaker 8: the get go, and it throws up the red flag

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Speaker 8: and they helped you direct your investigation.

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Speaker 2: But sadly, hunches and just a gut feeling something's quote

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Speaker 2: not right. That's nothing I can bring in as evidence

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Speaker 1: We need more.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, listen to Jennifer Kesse's mother.

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Speaker 1: Is Cassi one more?

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me about what time if you know

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Speaker 2: that she would contact her boyfriend in the morning.

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Speaker 9: He well, Gen typically left for between seven thirty and

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Speaker 9: eight in the morning, and it was her habit to

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Speaker 9: call Rob when she got in her car, So as

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Speaker 9: is when she would make that good morning call. And

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Speaker 9: as we know, Rob never received that call.

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Speaker 2: To doctor Angela Arnold joining us renowned psychiatrist in the

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Speaker 2: Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Angela Arnold m D.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Angie, just thinking about what Jennifer Kesse's parents have

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Speaker 2: told me then and have told me over the years

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Speaker 2: since Jennifer went missing. They went in her condo and

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Speaker 2: everything was as normal. She liked to lay out all

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Speaker 2: of her outfits she might wear that day on the

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Speaker 2: bed and look at them as she was getting ready

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Speaker 2: in the morning. The shower was damp, the towel was damp,

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Speaker 2: the clothes were all laid out with matching shoes that

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Speaker 1: But no Jennifer.

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Speaker 2: And when she missed that morning call, she called her

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Speaker 2: boyfriend every morning on the way to work. Okay, I

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Speaker 2: had a routine like that all the way through law school,

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Speaker 2: even up until Oh my Stars, when I was pregnant

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Speaker 2: morning at six point thirty.

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Speaker 1: That was the routine.

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Speaker 2: Now, she said it was to make sure I was awake,

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Speaker 2: But now, being a mom, I know it was just,

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Speaker 1: Before all hell breaks loose in the middle of the day.

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Speaker 1: So that was Jennifer's.

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Speaker 2: Routine, right, And when that routine breaks in my mind,

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Speaker 2: that's the beginning of a criminal timeline, Doctor Angie.

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Speaker 6: I completely agree with you, Nancy, And you know, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: are typical routines that we go through comforting to people.

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Speaker 6: We all have those. They comfort us as human beings.

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Speaker 6: So why would somebody The big question is why would

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Speaker 6: somebody break from their routine in particular morning, So, of

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Speaker 6: course that is indicative of when a crime line should start.

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Speaker 6: Why would you break in your routine?

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Speaker 2: And joining me right now an investigative reporter who knows

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Speaker 2: the Echo Lloyd case backwards and forwards, Charii Honeycut is

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Speaker 2: joining us. Emmy winning journalist Charay, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. Tell me about what happened when Echo's daughter

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Speaker 10: So she brought a gift home to her mom for

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Speaker 10: Mother's Day. She had a plant and a card, and

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Speaker 10: she couldn't find her mom at the house. She was

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Speaker 10: knocking on the door and wasn't responsive. She actually broke

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Speaker 11: If she was there.

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Speaker 10: And it's interesting you mentioned, you know, everything in the

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Speaker 10: other cases home there were you know, things all.

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Speaker 11: Laid out well.

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Speaker 10: In Echo's case, things were a little strewn about and

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Speaker 10: things were missing, but some things were there, And it's

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Speaker 10: just interesting how this case played out that way. She

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Speaker 10: and then we just never heard what happened to her.

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Speaker 10: There was nothing from that. There was her car was there.

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Speaker 10: There was no way to know where she went. And

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Speaker 10: as you mentioned, you know, she was last seen at

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Speaker 10: a drug store and then hadn't seen her since.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: The daughter visits mom for Mother's Day, bringing a present

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Speaker 4: Kelsey Smith walks around the home front, door to back,

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Speaker 4: Walking around the property, Kelsey yells her mom's name, still

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Speaker 1: That's pretty bold breaking into mom's home because she is

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Speaker 1: so convinced something is off, kilt or you just heard

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Charay Honeycut describing a somewhat chaotic scene inside Listen.

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Speaker 4: Inside the home, Kelsey finds things in disarray, which is unusual. Echo,

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Speaker 4: who had OCD kept items in their place. Kelsey found

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Speaker 4: cigarettes on top of the nightstand.

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Speaker 2: None of that is consistent with Echo Lloyd's personality. To

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Speaker 2: doctor Angela Arnold, veteran psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction who

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Speaker 2: specializes in the treatment of women, hold on, she's OCD,

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Speaker 2: all right, and I'm gonna let you explain that, or

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Speaker 2: kindly ask you to explain that, And then compare that

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Speaker 2: for it, she always kept everything in its place. A

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Speaker 2: because out of place distracts them. Daughter Kelsey finds an

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Speaker 2: around the home, air conditioner on full blast, and SIGs.

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Speaker 1: On the nightstand. None of that is consistent with Echo.

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Speaker 6: Nancy. I mean, first of all, if you have obsest

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Speaker 6: compulsive disorder. That is something that does not come and go.

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Speaker 1: That is an.

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Speaker 6: Anxiety disorder that you have all the time. And people

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Speaker 6: with OCD find it comforting to have everything in its place, okay,

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Speaker 6: And there are variations of that. Some people are more

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Speaker 6: OCD than others. But never would an OCD person have

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Speaker 6: moldy food, a mattress on the floor, cigarettes on the

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Speaker 6: bedside table. That sounds like somebody came in, And that

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Speaker 6: sounds like somebody came in and took over her home

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Speaker 6: to me, But that is not an OCD person would

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Speaker 6: never allow that to happen in their home.

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Speaker 2: OCD obsessive compulsive.

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Speaker 6: Compuls disorder disorder.

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Speaker 1: It is so much.

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Speaker 2: More than just being a neat nick. A lot of

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Speaker 2: people are neat nicks. That does not mean they're OCD.

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Speaker 2: Explain the difference in a neat nick and someone with OCD.

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Speaker 1: There's a vast difference.

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Speaker 6: Someone with First of all, like I said, Nancy, OCD

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Speaker 6: is it's a type of anxiety. Okay. So for someone

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Speaker 6: with OCD, if something is out of order, it actually

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Speaker 6: causes them a lot of anxiety. If there's a break

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Speaker 6: misplaced a little bit that actually causes that person anxiety,

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Speaker 6: a neat knick. On the other hand, you like your

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Speaker 6: home to meet, but it's not going to cause you

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Speaker 6: a tremendous amount of possibly crippling anxiety if your home

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Speaker 6: isn't in it's in perfect condition, Okay, but someone with

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Speaker 6: OCD must, for example, Nancy. Sometimes people with OCD have

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Speaker 6: different routines and rituals that they have to do, for example,

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Speaker 6: get out of their car. They have very specific rituals.

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Speaker 6: Meat nicks do not have rituals.

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Speaker 2: Okay, someone that will remain nameless. I watched them get

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Speaker 2: in the car. I'm like, crank up, leave, but they

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Speaker 1: Are you talking about like Monk?

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Speaker 2: Remember Monk, I love him, But remember Monk, I would

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Speaker 2: And Okay, So now I've got a visual. So this

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Speaker 2: So it would be a cold day in helerell that

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Speaker 3: Knox go unanswered Mother's Day gifts untouched. Echo, Lloyd's eldest

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Speaker 3: reporter Emmy Award winning journalist Charre Honeycutt Scharray, thanks for

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Speaker 3: being with us. That's quite the dichotomy that her aha

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Speaker 10: So the idea that she would leave her purse, she

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Speaker 11: Well, if you see.

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Speaker 10: Trash piles on the floor, that's not what she would

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Speaker 2: You know, Shurey Honeycott, you have an incredible track record,

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Speaker 2: Tim Miller a longtime friend and colleague. He is the

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Speaker 2: a cold case for a young woman right now, and

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Speaker 2: he's actually pulled off the search to join us tonight

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Speaker 2: in the search for Echo Lloyd. Tim Miller, I was

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Speaker 2: There's a big difference when you go missing from a

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Speaker 1: Likelihood that a stranger.

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Speaker 2: Showed up and took Echo, that's a very low probability,

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Speaker 12: Well, I think you're right. And I actually met with

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Speaker 2: Tim Miller, who was just in this jurisdiction in Missouri Edwards,

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, this area does have it's about twelve

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Speaker 2: So you have an area of interest. I wasn't expecting

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Speaker 1: How will you search that? I send with drones, with dogs,

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Speaker 2: How would you go about searching a two hundred acre

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Speaker 12: Well, you know what everything that you just mentioned, but

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Speaker 2: You know, Tim Miller, what you said about your drone

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Speaker 2: He spotted that and sure enough, that is where the

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Speaker 1: That's amazing and Tim.

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Speaker 2: Miller will never ever brag on himself. Tim Miller is

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Speaker 1: He made it his.

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Speaker 2: Life's mission to help find missing people. That's who Tim

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The reason we keep talking about Echo Lloyd's home and

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Speaker 2: Where is this gorgeous young MoMA for Echo Lloyd? Now

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Speaker 4: Listen During the search for Echo, police begin a timeline.

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Speaker 4: On May ninth, Kelsey talked to her mother. On the tenth,

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Speaker 2: Don't these convenience stores have surveillance video. For Pete's sake,

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Speaker 2: May fourteen. She's alive on that day.

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Speaker 10: Sure, I think is odd she wanted to buy a

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Speaker 10: cell phone as well. I just think the purchase is

445
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Speaker 10: a little odd. And then when you go back to

446
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Speaker 10: talking about, you know, how she was, how things were

447
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Speaker 10: found in her home, the idea that there was a

448
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Speaker 10: receipt in her bathtub is very odd to me too,

449
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Speaker 10: and so I think that the report is credible. I

450
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Speaker 10: think that sometimes stores are difficult about giving over that

451
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Speaker 10: video or retaining it.

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Speaker 11: So I'm not sure if that was part of the

453
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Speaker 11: issue as to why we don't know more.

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Speaker 10: About it, But I think it does show that there

455
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Speaker 10: is a possibility that she was there and shows that

456
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Speaker 10: she was alive for that time period, and then unfortunately,

457
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Speaker 10: being in such a rural area, it's unclear as to

458
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Speaker 10: you know where she was and what was going on

459
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Speaker 10: at the time of her actual disappearance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is no way with someone with OCD that

461
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Speaker 2: there will be a receipt in her shower, all right,

462
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Speaker 2: But when you don't know where to go, you backtrack

463
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Speaker 2: and you look at your victim. Who is in the

464
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Speaker 2: circle of people around her? Who is Echo Lloyd?

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Speaker 13: Listen, Echo Lloyd is going through a divorce. She moved

466
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Speaker 13: sixteen miles from her current home to rule Edward, Missouri,

467
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Speaker 13: a town with a population of less than twenty five hundred.

468
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Speaker 13: Lloyd's ten acre property is a bit.

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Speaker 2: Secluded population of twenty five hundred that greatly reduces our

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Speaker 2: suspect pool.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 4: As Echo Lloyd looks for a place to start the

473
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Speaker 4: next chapter of her life, she makes her way to

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Speaker 4: the Lake of the Ozarks. The property in Edward's, Missouri

475
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Speaker 4: is remote. There's a gas station and a post office

476
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Speaker 4: and little else. But Kelsey Smith says her mom loves

477
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 4: the quiet of the property and begins making plans for renovations,

478
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Speaker 4: cleaning up the landscaping, creating ideas for how she wants

479
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Speaker 4: to paint the house, and right there that rolls out

480
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 4: in my mind.

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Speaker 2: Any potential suicide. We have no evidence of that whatsoever. Agreed, disagree,

482
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Speaker 2: doctor Angie. If she is renovating her home and she's

483
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Speaker 2: out in the front yard landscaping and coming out bringing

484
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Speaker 2: home paint ships, she's planning.

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Speaker 1: On a future in this time.

486
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Speaker 2: She's not going to drop the paint rush and go,

487
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Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna kill myself And no evidence

488
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Speaker 2: of where I am. That did not happen to Shurrey

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Speaker 2: Honeycutt joining us. Shara, tell me about the ex. Do

490
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Speaker 2: I suspect the ex? No?

491
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Speaker 1: Not at this juncture.

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Speaker 2: That's contrary to everything I ever think as a knee

493
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: jerk reaction based on statistics, because statistically, a woman is

494
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Speaker 2: kidnapped or harmed or even killed by an ex husband,

495
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Speaker 2: a husband, a boyfriend, just some man in her life.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't seem to be the case here, Schara.

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Speaker 10: No, from what I understood with the relationships in the family,

498
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Speaker 10: she actually had a really good relationship with her ex

499
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 10: husband and they had separated amicably, and she had moved

500
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Speaker 10: to this new place to start a new life, and

501
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 10: they were still on very good terms. I spoke a

502
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Speaker 10: lot with her daughter, who says she was in very

503
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 10: good terms with her mom as well, and that they

504
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 10: just had a good relationship.

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Speaker 2: Surey, Honeycutt correct me if I'm wrong, please, But even

506
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: with the home and no sign of echo Lloyd, investigators

507
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: still tell the family they do not believe there was

508
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Speaker 2: any foul play.

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Speaker 1: That's what they originally said.

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Speaker 10: Part of that has to do with no evidence of

511
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 10: maybe a body or any blood, or any real weapon

512
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Speaker 10: or struggle.

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Speaker 11: I think the way the.

514
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 10: House is described, it sounds like it's messy. The police

515
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 10: don't necessarily know her behaviors at that time when they

516
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 10: first start on the case, and so I think at

517
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 10: the beginning maybe they.

518
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 11: Felt like there was no foul play.

519
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 10: But I think the circumstances of the home definitely lead

520
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 10: to a different pathway for this case.

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00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: Wendy Patrick explain to me, why is it when a

522
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: woman goes missing, there's no foul play, She's just probably off.

523
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Speaker 1: With her boyfriend.

524
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: Remember Stacy Peterson, the fourth wife of then cop Drew Peterson.

525
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: He was later convicted in the murder of his wife,

526
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: Kathleen Savio.

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Speaker 1: She was found drowned in.

528
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Speaker 2: A bone dry bathtub. It was real access she's covered

529
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Speaker 2: in bruises.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I hate when you slip in the tub and your

532
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Speaker 2: whole body's covered in bruises and the tub is completely dry.

533
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Speaker 1: Hay when that happens. So it was.

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Speaker 2: Determined then based on the husband's word, that she had

535
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: made off with a boy friend. It happens over and

536
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: over and over, or mommy just wants some me time.

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Speaker 1: That's total byes. Why is that always the knee jerk reaction. Yeah,

538
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Speaker 1: it's a shame.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes many people might think it's an easy reaction, but

540
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Speaker 5: there is no way it fits this fact pattern.

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Speaker 6: Nancy. That house was a.

542
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 5: Crime scene in every sense of the word because it

543
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 5: was so contrary to the OCD that Echo had. There

544
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 5: is no way she would be sharing space with somebody

545
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Speaker 5: that would leave the house in disarray like that. Not

546
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Speaker 5: to mention the amount of DNA that was likely left behind,

547
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 5: but that excuse, even though it's unfairly used in other cases,

548
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 5: does not fit in any way, shape or form in

549
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 5: this case. And that is one of the ways in

550
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 5: which this case is distinct and might many might think

551
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 5: more solvable. Given the amount of evidence that was left

552
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 5: at that what sounds like, as you mentioned the beginning

553
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 5: of a prime timeline.

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00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: Take a listen to the then share of Eric Knox.

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Speaker 7: We're not sure what happened to you because we're domats Is.

556
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 6: We don't even know where.

557
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 12: You should look for him.

558
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: You have nothing, Wait, you don't know where to look?

559
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 1: Ask Tim Miller.

560
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: That's from our friends at Paramount Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

561
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: Where is a gorgeous young mom? Echo Lloyd straight out

562
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: to Tim Miller, joining us, founder and director of ECUA

563
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: Search on a mine should define missing people?

564
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: What about it, Tim Miller?

565
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: The fact that at the get Go Ellie law enforcement

566
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: said nothing suggests foul play. In my mind, everything suggests

567
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: foul play.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, you don't fancy. I experienced that when I reported

569
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 12: Laura listened and they said, do you know a go

570
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 12: home wait by or Ford Pol. Laura ran away. I

571
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 12: knew she did. I could get no help, zero none.

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00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 12: Seventeen months later, her body is found, along with three

573
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Speaker 12: other girls, of all of them murdered, still on solved.

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Speaker 12: So you know what, We've worked with some very very

575
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 12: great law enforcement agencies in the past, and we've worked

576
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 12: with something that are very very incompetent. And again, even

577
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 12: in today's world, subaly cases that we get out in

578
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 12: a very beginning, they said, oh, you know what, this

579
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 12: person had a problem. They was doing drugs, They was

580
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 12: doing this, and you know it's it makes my blood boil.

581
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 12: I hear that.

582
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Speaker 2: You know, Tim Miller is speaking about his daughter who

583
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: disappeared at age sixteen.

584
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: He was told, oh, she's a runaway. She wasn't. She

585
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: had been.

586
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: Kidnapped and murdered, along with other girls found at the

587
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: same burial site. To doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist doctor Angie,

588
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Speaker 2: I don't want to get on a slapbox about this

589
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: because it's neither here nor there in finding echo. But

590
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: I do believe that it's misogynistic women haters that say, oh,

591
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: either she's quote a bitch or a quote hope. She

592
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: had so many enemies, she didn't get along with anybody,

593
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: she's hysterical blah blah blah okay, or she's a big hoe.

594
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: She's out with her new boyfriend.

595
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: You know, there's nothing wrong. Both are so inaccurate, Both

596
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: are so demeaning, and I hear it over and over.

597
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: She's hysterical translation, she ran off a committed toy I

598
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: and a fit of some sort.

599
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: Let's blame it on PMS. Let's just throw it all in.

600
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: Or she's out with a new boyfriend and leaving her children.

601
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: That's never true, doctor Angie. Have you noticed maybe they

602
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: should teach that at police academy?

603
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 6: Oh my god, Nancy, it makes me so bad, and

604
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 6: you know, it also reminds me of what happened to

605
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 6: Babby Patito right before she was killed. So why doesn't

606
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 6: this change, Nancy? How can we inform the police officers

607
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 6: that are out there doing these jobs and I know

608
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 6: they've worked very hard, but then time, precious time is lost.

609
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 2: To talk to talk doctor Angie, you had the nail

610
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: on the head and ps no o MG on crime stories. Okay, no,

611
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: we don't say that on crime stories.

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00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: But that said, then a major development, What, if anything,

613
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: does it mean? Listen?

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Speaker 14: The next door neighbor and close friend of Echo Lloyd,

615
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 14: who did not help search for his friend, lives with

616
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 14: his grandfather. Two weeks after Echo Lloyd disappears, the grandfather

617
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 14: is found in the basement of his home suffering from

618
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 14: a broken back. He's taken to a hospital where he

619
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 14: succumbs to his injuries days later. According to Kelsey Smith,

620
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 14: while removing the grandfather from the basement, Echo Lloyd's missing

621
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Speaker 14: prescription medication and keys are found in the basement of

622
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Speaker 14: her neighbor's home. According to Smith, police did not get

623
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Speaker 14: a search warrant for the house before turning the investigation

624
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 14: over to the Missouri State Highway Patrol Missing Persons Clearinghouse.

625
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 14: Ben County Sheriff Eric Knox said of the Echo Lloyd case,

626
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 14: she is absolutely missing without a trace. Investigator's report, There's

627
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 14: been no use of her cell phone or bank cards

628
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 14: since she was reported missing, and the pharmacy has confirmed

629
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Speaker 14: none of Eckilloyd's necessary medications have been filled since she disappeared.

630
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Speaker 2: Shray Honeycutt joining us, who is this neighbor and why

631
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Speaker 2: are Echo Lloyd's items, including her missing prescription meds and

632
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 2: her keys found in his place?

633
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Speaker 10: That is an incredible question, Nancy, and one that I

634
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 10: don't have a clear answer to. But what I can

635
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 10: tell you is in talking with Kelsey, she had confided

636
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 10: her mother had confided in her that she had met

637
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 10: this neighbor, they had become friends, and that he had

638
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 10: started to develop a crush on her. That she did

639
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 10: not reciprocate. You know, we were talking about her coming

640
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 10: out of a marriage and wanting to start a new life,

641
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 10: and a boyfriend, especially one that maybe younger than her,

642
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 10: wasn't really what she was looking for at the time,

643
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 10: is what Kelsey had told me. And so this relationship

644
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 10: was a little odd. But at some point I know

645
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 10: that she didn't really want to continue that relationship and

646
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 10: had expressed that.

647
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 11: To him at some point.

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Speaker 2: And in my mind, there's more disturbing evidence to Barry

649
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Speaker 2: Hutcheson joining us twenty six years in law enforcement, now

650
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: owner and operator of Very Associates Investigative Services located in

651
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: this jurisdiction Marry in my mind, and possibly even more disturbing,

652
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: is that he Smith would walk over to Echo's property

653
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: and sometimes he would come into her home without knocking.

654
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: I mean, if I turned around in my kitchen there's

655
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Speaker 2: some guy standing there, I shoot him.

656
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: Oops, don't have a gun, But if I had a gun,

657
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: I would shoot him.

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00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 15: One of the things that hasn't been touched on with

660
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Speaker 15: this that I know in this case is I find

661
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Speaker 15: it's strange that the next door neighbor would have a

662
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Speaker 15: key to the house, but the daughter didn't and that

663
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Speaker 15: she would have to make it trained that.

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Speaker 1: Very odd too, very odd. Indeed, now this guy is

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Speaker 1: not a suspect.

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Speaker 2: Just because some people think his behavior is odd does

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Speaker 2: not make him a suspect.

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Speaker 1: But Tim Miller, I can't get away.

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Speaker 2: I cannot get away from the fact that her meds

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Speaker 2: and her car keys were in his place.

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Speaker 1: Why are they there?

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Speaker 12: I think by the time they determined that possibly foul

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Speaker 12: play was involved, instead of her just leaving on her own, well,

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Speaker 12: it was literally a cold case before it was a

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Speaker 12: missing first case. So you know, they had to start

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Speaker 12: from scratch, and you know, I think they got their

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Speaker 12: aid dinner Facebook. Bottom line is, I think they would

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Speaker 12: have looked just a little bit different in the very beginning.

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Speaker 12: Maybe we wouldn't be here today.

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Speaker 2: To Tim Miller joining me from Texas Equisearch. Tim Miller,

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Speaker 2: let's take a look at those three working theories. Number one,

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Speaker 2: the second theory that she saw something in the woods

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Speaker 2: she shouldn't have seen. Now, that didn't happen. There's not

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Speaker 2: some nefarious killer out there that happened to me in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the woods, population twenty five hundred. That

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Speaker 2: didn't happen. That leaves me two choices of the working theories.

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Speaker 2: Now you've got the daughter who admits she had a

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Speaker 2: drug addiction, and it's claimed she had not all our debts,

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Speaker 2: So am I supposed to believe that because the daughter

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Speaker 2: had a past a drug addiction, that somebody came and

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Speaker 2: took or killed echo some revenge. No, that's way too far, feesh.

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Speaker 2: But what about this neighbor who is not a suspect?

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Speaker 1: Surey, honeycutt. What about the neighbor?

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Speaker 10: That is the number one question everyone wants to know,

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Speaker 10: you know, did he do it? What was going on

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Speaker 10: at that time? I think a big piece of that

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Speaker 10: that is impeding the case is what we talked about earlier,

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Speaker 10: the inability to really investigate at the time this happened.

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Speaker 10: A lot of the evidence had sat there for a

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Speaker 10: long time. And what I will say when I got

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Speaker 10: involved in this case is that no one was covering

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Speaker 10: it and the public really wanted to understand what happened.

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Speaker 10: And I got an overwhelming amount of messages, just knowing

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Speaker 10: the work that I do, asking me to drive hours

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Speaker 10: out of my area to cover this case because it

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Speaker 10: wasn't getting the attention it needed.

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Speaker 11: And it still hasn't in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: SUI, what can you tell me about the neighbor buying

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Speaker 2: nine bags of cement just before we think just before

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Speaker 2: because we don't have a clear timeline just before Echo

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Speaker 2: goes missing, and when the home was searched they only

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Speaker 2: found one bag out of nine.

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Speaker 11: I would want to know what happened to eight bags

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Speaker 11: of cement?

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Speaker 10: And if you look around that area, I mean it's

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Speaker 10: an expansive area. In my experience covering cases that have

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Speaker 10: turned into death investigations or homicides, typically the people are

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Speaker 10: found very close to home or where they were last seen.

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Speaker 10: And so I think Tim's work is going to be

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Speaker 10: very important this coming spring looking around that home, because

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Speaker 10: we know that people don't go very far from where

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Speaker 10: they're last seen.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 2: disappearance of this young mom, Echo Lloyd, please dial toll

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Speaker 2: free eight hundred eight seven seven three four five two

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Speaker 2: repeat eight hundred eight seven seven three four five two.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend,