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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: I Am back with David Roland will take calls with

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Speaker 1: David next hours. We're talking about his thoughts about the

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Speaker 1: universe and how it started. I don't even want to

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Speaker 1: bring up the Big Bang anymore, David Good. The biggest

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Speaker 1: fallacy of all about the Big Bang is that there

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Speaker 1: was a point in time in which time began. That's

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Speaker 1: a contradiction in turn, So that's confusing all by itself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: time is in the universe. The universe is not in time,

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Speaker 1: which means that the universe is timeless. It has no

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Speaker 1: beginning and no ending. It's it's from our limited three

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Speaker 1: D perspective, it's always been here. Well, then you've just

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Speaker 1: touched on something too our limited perspective. There's got to

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Speaker 1: be something else that we're missing sometime somewhere, somehow, we're

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Speaker 1: missing some equation here that makes sense. Well, it goes

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Speaker 1: beyond equation. The when I was I was studying article physics.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make a path from one orbal to to another.

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Speaker 1: not there. So I asked myself, where does it go?

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Speaker 1: It's the same electron, and I figured out, well, there

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Speaker 1: must be a non physical realm that it visits and

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Speaker 1: then comes back. And I thought, well, our minds are

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Speaker 1: non physical. Like when when you say this is my body,

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Speaker 1: that means that we the essence of who we really

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Speaker 1: are is non physical, and the essence of the universe

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Speaker 1: is non physical. There's a non physical realm. Is it real?

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Speaker 1: Is any of this real? Well, it has to be,

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Speaker 1: because because we wouldn't be we couldn't be inhabiting these

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Speaker 1: bodies and talking with each other. That's well, you would think,

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Speaker 1: but I mean everything else is confusing. Why can't we

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Speaker 1: just add that to it? Well, but you don't have

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Speaker 1: to add that to it to figure out what's going

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Speaker 1: on in the universe. Because some scientists are studying up

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Speaker 1: plasma physics now, and the universe is filled with hydrogens

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Speaker 1: and ions, which is like electrically charged hydrogen gas. Hydrogen

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Speaker 1: is the simplest element, and then and then then the hydrogen.

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Speaker 1: Hydrogen forms stars like our son, which then forms helium

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Speaker 1: and then start as a fusion reactor that creates all

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Speaker 1: kinds of elements. So stars are being created all the time.

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Speaker 1: So the universe is being continuously created, and at the

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Speaker 1: physical level it's through the plasma physics. Let's get a

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Speaker 1: little controversial here, David, you believe Einstein was wrong with

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Speaker 1: his theory on general relativity, didn't don't you? I do?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's it's really simple to understand generally. Now,

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Speaker 1: his special relativity is sublime. His special relativity is the

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Speaker 1: E equals MC squared equation. Energy equals mass times the

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Speaker 1: speed of light squared exactly. That's the mass equials and

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Speaker 1: equation that says that basically energy is matter is energy,

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Speaker 1: slow moving energy. One can be converted the other energy matter, matter, energy, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.

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Speaker 1: So but he went from the sublime to the ridiculous

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Speaker 1: that just doesn't make any sense because, first of all,

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Speaker 1: space time is not a thing. It's not real. Space

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Speaker 1: space is a nothingness. It's it's an abstraction. It's a

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Speaker 1: thought that in this space there are things, there are stars,

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Speaker 1: but the space itself is not a thing. Similarly, with time,

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Speaker 1: And then for this curving space time, that's really a

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Speaker 1: geometric concept. But geometry is abstract mathematics. Abstract means existing

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Speaker 1: way with drums rolling, Let's hear from you how you

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Speaker 1: not when I make that statement in all respect plays yes,

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Speaker 1: Now that could not possibly have evolved. There's there's no

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Speaker 1: little bit. All all scientists conclude that the universe is

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Speaker 1: about thirteen point eight billion years old. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: and they're all wrong? All right, all right, but let's

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Speaker 1: so what was at the fourteen billion year old level?

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Speaker 1: What was there? And I bet nobody could answer that.

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Speaker 1: They can't, No, they can't, they can't. And here's how

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Speaker 1: they got the thirteen point eight billion. They took Einstein's

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Speaker 1: universe must have exploded very fast, initially faster than the

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Speaker 1: other days, they tried to alter the evidence to the

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Speaker 1: to suit their theories. Right. See, I'm so practical, David,

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Speaker 1: And maybe that's not the way to think here, But

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Speaker 1: And then you'll say, well, where'd you get the tires? Well,

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Speaker 1: in order to get this answer? Absolutely not. You do

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Speaker 1: not have to nothing to do it. Whatsoever? About dark energy?

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Speaker 1: What is that? Does that exist? No? It does not exist.

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Speaker 1: The Origin of Everything. But a physicist, they would rip

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Speaker 1: and that you cannot come up with a comprehensive fear

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Speaker 1: Origin of Everything, uniting science and philosophy. I think there's

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Speaker 1: something else here, though, David, that all of us, all

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Speaker 1: does your series, George, I don't have one. I'm baffled. Okay.

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Speaker 1: been here. That That is your definite theory. It's not

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Speaker 1: a theory, it's it's well, that's your definite statement. That's

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Speaker 1: my definite statement. Because if if there was the universe,

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Speaker 1: there wasn't untiller was universe. There's no sicsing as time.

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Speaker 1: So therefore the univer could not have begun at some

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Speaker 1: point in time. It's a contradict. It's a logical contradiction.

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Speaker 1: It could not have happened. That means that the universe

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Speaker 1: from our perspective, has always been here. From the bigger perspective,

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Speaker 1: the universe has no beginning, has no end. It's it's

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