Speaker 1: You've got Patrick Cantlon Zannaschoff, who are sort of best
Speaker 1: friends and an unbelievable pairing. You were justin Thomas and
Speaker 1: George's basically have just incredible chemistry. We're developing Scheffler and
Speaker 1: burns Um all top ten players in the world and
Speaker 1: all unbelievable combinations and good friends. I mean, you get
Speaker 1: three borderline unbeatable sort of pairs in your team. I
Speaker 1: mean it's a pretty hard team to beat. I got
Speaker 1: thoughts in my head. Can't get John nothing thing what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about my head, can't get him now, Nothing
Speaker 1: think what I'm thinking about. Hello and welcome back to
Speaker 1: another Fire Drill podcast. This is Alan Schipnuk joined by
Speaker 1: Michael Bamberger in Philadelphia. Jeff Ogilvie in St. Andrew's, Scotland.
Speaker 1: He's there for the Unhill links. Came straight from the
Speaker 1: President's Cup, So let's just get to it. Jeff, First
Speaker 1: of all, how are you feeling? Are you are? You? Are? You? Are?
Speaker 1: You've worn out? Are you run around? Emotion? Like? What
Speaker 1: is the state of being right now? I'm pretty tired?
Speaker 1: Um it's now? What is it now? In? Is it
Speaker 1: Wednesday yet? No? It's the Tuesday night for me. I
Speaker 1: went to the last I last slept on Sunday night
Speaker 1: for a little bit. Um yeah, um, so tired from
Speaker 1: all the traveling last week, but I'm still pretty high
Speaker 1: on last week. We had a really good time. It
Speaker 1: was it was a super fun tournament. Um, I feel
Speaker 1: like we did really well. We had an unbelievable atmosphere
Speaker 1: in the tame room and um yeah, great fun. And
Speaker 1: now I'm at the old course. So it's like I'm
Speaker 1: having a pretty good run. That's a great run. I mean,
Speaker 1: we knew that the Internationals were going to be underdogs,
Speaker 1: obviously missing a few potential, you know, key building blocks
Speaker 1: with their defection to Live golf. So the outcome was
Speaker 1: not a shock. But I think for just watching at home,
Speaker 1: the team spirit, the energy, the vibes, Captain Imbleman's leadership.
Speaker 1: Obviously Tom Kim turned into a star. I mean just
Speaker 1: take us into the team room and inside the ropes
Speaker 1: like didn't Obviously you guys are disappointed to lose, But
Speaker 1: what did it feel like to to you to the
Speaker 1: international team coming coming out of that that performance? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, look it felt good or week. Um, Trevor
Speaker 1: did just an unbelievable job as captain. I mean, Ernie
Speaker 1: sort of, I don't know, turned the ship around if
Speaker 1: you like. Um, I think we've been kind of trading
Speaker 1: water a little bit as a team, and Ernie sort
Speaker 1: of gave us the shield and sort of created a
Speaker 1: bit more of an identity to the team, and sort
Speaker 1: of Trevor just jumped up and just ran with it,
Speaker 1: um and just expanded on everything that sort of any
Speaker 1: stuff at it and spoiled us rotten and hadn't really
Speaker 1: set up incredibly well, and it was just a great
Speaker 1: atmosphere from the start. It was. It was an incredible
Speaker 1: team and so we we still have started rough. Obviously
Speaker 1: there's a Friday. First two sessions, Um, we sort of
Speaker 1: put ourselves behind the eight ball. But I think Saturday
Speaker 1: Sunday we kind of we won. We won the last
Speaker 1: two days if you like. We didn't win the session
Speaker 1: on Sunday, but if all the points over the last
Speaker 1: sort of three sessions, we got more and a few
Speaker 1: heroes were born and some pretty cool moments. It was
Speaker 1: a pretty it was. It was a super fun tournament
Speaker 1: and probably the best one I've been involved with so far. Jeff,
Speaker 1: you see these young. You've seen a lot of young
Speaker 1: players come up through the years. You've seen Roy Chicawa,
Speaker 1: and you've seen Jordan's Speef and lots of other twenty
Speaker 1: year olds. Where would you put Mr Kim on the
Speaker 1: on the spectrum? How do you how do you see
Speaker 1: his golfing life unfolding? Yeah, I mean the future is bright,
Speaker 1: I think. I mean we hadn't really. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess if you're an area an Avid golffeller or you
Speaker 1: sort of might have seen him coming, but most people
Speaker 1: didn't see him coming. And all of a sudden in
Speaker 1: summer he started having top tens and then one a
Speaker 1: tournament and now he's in the President's Cup and he's
Speaker 1: a hero like Um, he was part of beating Sander
Speaker 1: Choffle and Patrick Kentley, so it's a pretty unbeatable pairing
Speaker 1: to this point. And I mean they've been incredible. So um,
Speaker 1: he's certainly number one in the enthusiasm steaks. Um. He
Speaker 1: was incredibly fun. He was up and about all week.
Speaker 1: He was the same in the team room as as
Speaker 1: you guys saw on the broadcaster at the tournament, just
Speaker 1: full of enthusiasm. I guess when you're twenty it's sort
Speaker 1: of that's more your headspace. But yeah, he was. He
Speaker 1: was so much fun, and he was so excited, and
Speaker 1: he didn't want to back down, and he was happy
Speaker 1: to get big matches and big games. He kind of
Speaker 1: wanted those big moments, you know, and he certainly thrived
Speaker 1: in at some of the celebra otions were um, celebrations
Speaker 1: were sort of contagious, you know. I mean, even the
Speaker 1: US crowd, which is usually sort of pretty one sided,
Speaker 1: they sort of all got on Tom Kim's side as
Speaker 1: well because he was just so much fun to watch
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, incredible. I think he's got a great
Speaker 1: he's a great, great future. He hits them all really well,
Speaker 1: he's got a great mind obviously, just sort of get
Speaker 1: himself so high and then get him back ready to
Speaker 1: play the next hole. And he was massive in the
Speaker 1: big moments. I mean, it's hard to explain to people
Speaker 1: who haven't. I mean, people can sort of understand sort
Speaker 1: of first team nerves and maybe a bit of pressure
Speaker 1: and sort of a member guest or normally even just
Speaker 1: a little golf of it or something, but the pressure
Speaker 1: that you're feeling these sort of tournaments is more than
Speaker 1: a major by a long way. I think because you're
Speaker 1: sort of carrying your whole team on your back for
Speaker 1: those little moments, and when you've got your whole team
Speaker 1: driving up in carts and following and in the eighth
Speaker 1: grade getting surrounded and you're holding a big part like that,
Speaker 1: pretty impress if so. I mean, I think one of
Speaker 1: the measures of a golfer is how well they handled
Speaker 1: those big moments. And he handled all the big moment
Speaker 1: really really well, and and had looked like he was
Speaker 1: having the time of his life. What was your favorite
Speaker 1: moment of the week, Jeff, There was a few. I
Speaker 1: mean Tom and see we're beating Xander and Patrick was
Speaker 1: pretty fun. Maybe I think seaweed holding is burdying the
Speaker 1: last to beat JT. I think um JT is probably
Speaker 1: shaping up to be probably the hardest guy in the
Speaker 1: world to beat in that style of event. Loves going
Speaker 1: out first, Love sort of sending the tone and he
Speaker 1: sort of revs up the crowd and plays up the
Speaker 1: fist pumps and sort of it's it's got that feels
Speaker 1: sort of like the Mchael Roy Patrick read sort of
Speaker 1: match like that really sort of ultra high level sort
Speaker 1: of egg each other on sort of try to antagonize
Speaker 1: each other a little bit and see we're coming up
Speaker 1: the last and just hitting it close and making the part.
Speaker 1: That was the level that they played out for the
Speaker 1: last night Holes of a Mad I mean, Kuyle Hollow
Speaker 1: last week was really really hard. Like arguably I would
Speaker 1: say it was probably set up a little bit too
Speaker 1: hard for a match play tournament. UM. And the way
Speaker 1: those guys, some of these guys finished that that tournament off,
Speaker 1: and the way to see we played on Sunday, um
Speaker 1: just incredible. So when you see we made that part
Speaker 1: in the last hole, it was a pretty pretty amazing feeling.
Speaker 1: What did you think of of Justin and his uh
Speaker 1: kind of bitchiness about having to hold out you know,
Speaker 1: three ft puts in a tense match. What was your
Speaker 1: take on that. I don't I don't get that sort
Speaker 1: of thing. I mean, I think that's all part of
Speaker 1: match player. I think that. I think I think for
Speaker 1: the think the US guys don't grow up playing a
Speaker 1: lot of match play and the whole game around gimmes
Speaker 1: sort of once that mind game is kind of mind
Speaker 1: games strategy to sort of gimmes and giving and not
Speaker 1: giving him, And I think it's all part of the
Speaker 1: It's part of match players a game, um, and look
Speaker 1: part of justin JT's reaction is is part of the
Speaker 1: game as well. You know, that's his mind games on
Speaker 1: the way back. So it's all, it's all, it's all
Speaker 1: in a good spirit, and he handled it really well,
Speaker 1: j T. I I don't love when people complain if
Speaker 1: it's they don't get given a part of me, if
Speaker 1: it's such a give me just part of it, tap
Speaker 1: it in, you know. I mean, if it's like, if
Speaker 1: you're never going to miss it, then what does that
Speaker 1: matter if you put it you know. Um. Yeah. But again,
Speaker 1: I think it's all part of the game. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's so invested in what he's doing, j T, which
Speaker 1: is why he's so good at match play, um, and
Speaker 1: so good in those moments that you can't be that
Speaker 1: invested and that intense and not sort of have those
Speaker 1: sort of moments, you know. So I just think it
Speaker 1: all adds to the drama, and I think it's all
Speaker 1: part of it. And I'm pretty confident there's no hard
Speaker 1: feelings at the end of the game. I just think
Speaker 1: that's kind of what's going on during the match, And
Speaker 1: of course it's not a game. If it was a gimme,
Speaker 1: it would have been given. Obviously it's missible. Uh So
Speaker 1: you know this is a gipper talking. But I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm totally I'm totally with you. Um, Jeff, There's there's
Speaker 1: only one person on the ground who probably had more
Speaker 1: experience at team events um than Fred, and it would
Speaker 1: have been I think your former neighbor Bones Jim McKay.
Speaker 1: What kind of presence do you see for McKay at
Speaker 1: these team events. It's just astounding how many of them
Speaker 1: he's been at, going back to their to the early
Speaker 1: nineties would pay those two are I mean, he's Bones
Speaker 1: must have been it. I don't know how many has
Speaker 1: he been at he's been it. It would go back
Speaker 1: to the ninth Yeah, I mean I could know at
Speaker 1: least because it goes back to the ninety four Ryder
Speaker 1: Cup or thirty. I mean, it's just he's been it
Speaker 1: Cup year. That would have been Phils first. Um, so
Speaker 1: close to thirty Yeah, incredible, Um, And what a sort
Speaker 1: of asset for j on his bag. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: great to have him their Bones. It's good to see
Speaker 1: him back on the bag. I mean, I enjoyed listening
Speaker 1: to his commentary. But he's back doing what he loves doing,
Speaker 1: and um, it just adds to all the theater and
Speaker 1: the drama of the whole thing, you know. It's um yeah,
Speaker 1: he's seen a lot over over the years. He's seen
Speaker 1: the U S win some when some amazing tournaments, amazing
Speaker 1: team events. He's seen him lose a few Ryder Cups
Speaker 1: at least. He's been on both sides of sort of
Speaker 1: the thing. Um, yeah, it's great, It's it's great to
Speaker 1: have that sort of experience. I mean, it's like we
Speaker 1: had Adam Scotty playing on our team and he's played
Speaker 1: ten of these things now and he he commands such
Speaker 1: a presence in the team room and um it's sort
Speaker 1: of is as much a leader as anyone else in
Speaker 1: the room. So it's bones I'm sure has the same
Speaker 1: effect in the US room. And when he starts talking,
Speaker 1: everybody listens, and there's no substitute for experience and those things.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, the US now one or it's
Speaker 1: been nine in a row since they've they've lost a
Speaker 1: President's Cup. And there was there was some talk ahead
Speaker 1: of this event that, uh, maybe they need to blow
Speaker 1: up the President's Cup and rethink it because it's too lopsighted.
Speaker 1: I like Trevor Immelman's fire at the end. He clearly
Speaker 1: took exception to that statement. And really, when you look
Speaker 1: at the last four President's Cups, Royal Melbourne last time
Speaker 1: round was fantastic two thousand fifteen, it was a nail biter,
Speaker 1: was decided by one point, and even though this one
Speaker 1: wasn't close, it was still memorable and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of spirited play. So can we safely say that the
Speaker 1: the demise of the President's Cup has been premature? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: I mean if anybody, anybody who was there last week
Speaker 1: would would be blown away by that sentiment. It was
Speaker 1: an It's an incredible tournament. It creates an unbelievable atmosphere.
Speaker 1: I mean that that the final score is almost flattering
Speaker 1: to the US a little bit. I mean, with an
Speaker 1: hour and hour and a half to go, it was
Speaker 1: if you looked at the leader board and everything you
Speaker 1: stopped it there, we were going to be really really close.
Speaker 1: I mean had about two thirty probably two thirty three o'clock,
Speaker 1: it looked like we were a reasonable chance to win
Speaker 1: the tournament, you know, I mean, so I think it
Speaker 1: was closer to the end. Leader board suggests we obviously
Speaker 1: were way behind, but we had a great Saturday. Sunday
Speaker 1: was was going really well. See, we sort of started
Speaker 1: off amazing with that win. And there was a lot
Speaker 1: of black on the board when he won that, and
Speaker 1: I sort of counted down and kept looking at the
Speaker 1: score board and looking down my phone to see what
Speaker 1: was going on. And it's like, well, we could actually
Speaker 1: win this thing. So and it seemed the US guys
Speaker 1: you could tell that, hang on a minute, this thing's
Speaker 1: on here a minute, we better start paying attention. Clearly
Speaker 1: they were paying attention before, but um, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: just an unbelievable event. I think all that talk beforehand,
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know, it's just trying to get
Speaker 1: reactions or something, or selling newspapers or I mean, this
Speaker 1: is your guys, world, but anyone who's ever I think,
Speaker 1: and you guys are both being to President's Cups and
Speaker 1: been around and felt the atmosphere, and it's an incredible
Speaker 1: event and it's only going to grow. The international golf
Speaker 1: is really really strong. I mean, I mean, we can't
Speaker 1: forget that this US team that's being fielded at the
Speaker 1: moment and these Wryter Cups and President's Cups. Is maybe
Speaker 1: one of the best teams of all time. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable sort of combination of young enthusiasm who have
Speaker 1: really brought into this sort of team event thing which
Speaker 1: might have happened for a while. And you've got You've
Speaker 1: got Patrick Cantle and Zana chaff who are sort of
Speaker 1: best friends and an unbelievable pairing. You were justin Thomas
Speaker 1: and George's spaces who have just incredible chemistry. We're developing
Speaker 1: Scheffler and Burns, all top ten players in the world
Speaker 1: at all. Unbelievable combinations and good friends. I mean, you
Speaker 1: get three borderline unbeatable sort of pairs in your team
Speaker 1: and it's a pretty hard team debate. So um, this
Speaker 1: it's it's the US is in a really sort of
Speaker 1: great period of their sort of tame golf. And I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago everyone was talking about what
Speaker 1: hows the US ever gonna win e Rodic up again,
Speaker 1: you know, And now you look at it's like how
Speaker 1: that is? And We're never gonna beat them? So that's
Speaker 1: what's so great about them. You have sort of these
Speaker 1: pikes and troughs of teams and sides, and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's fun for the US right now, and it's sort
Speaker 1: of it's a great challenge for the internationals and for
Speaker 1: for Europe to sort of find a way to sort
Speaker 1: of win one of those things. Job. I know there
Speaker 1: you're different events, but there's a lot of similarities. The
Speaker 1: right to cup in the prisons go of course, the
Speaker 1: European Tour, well, let me rephrase, um, Europe decides for
Speaker 1: itself who's going to be on its team. Uh, just
Speaker 1: for the for the for the late listener, do you
Speaker 1: think it makes sense for the Pug Tour to dictate
Speaker 1: to the international team who can and cannot be on
Speaker 1: it's team. Um. I don't think there's a bit of
Speaker 1: there's a load in that question. There's a loaded question. Um,
Speaker 1: just give it to a street Jeff, come on if
Speaker 1: you if you are suggesting that should live player has
Speaker 1: been have been allowed to play, I don't think they
Speaker 1: should have been. No. Um. I think that the international
Speaker 1: team should have its own identity and control the way
Speaker 1: the team is sort of picked. I think if the
Speaker 1: PGR two has probably got a right to sort of
Speaker 1: decide the pool of players that you can pick from.
Speaker 1: It's their event, um, and they set the rules for
Speaker 1: the event, just like the U S g A sets
Speaker 1: the rules for the U S Open and well GUSS
Speaker 1: sets the rules for the Master's. I mean the presidents
Speaker 1: come to PGR two event and they set the rules
Speaker 1: for the tournament. So UM, but I definitely think that
Speaker 1: the international team should should and his growing sort of
Speaker 1: once they control. But um an equal sort of say
Speaker 1: in the matter. Um, we had some merch in the
Speaker 1: tent last week. You saw some people that there was
Speaker 1: sort of it wasn't half of the tent. Clearly, it's
Speaker 1: never going to be in the US Ryder Cup, but
Speaker 1: I think in the international ones it's going to be
Speaker 1: close to half the ten or more our merchant. I
Speaker 1: think gradually you'll see the shield and the international sort
Speaker 1: of merchandise sort of popping up in the crowd. We
Speaker 1: started seeing it last week and um, it's becoming a
Speaker 1: real thing. And if you actually think about it, I
Speaker 1: mean the US the US team is going to have
Speaker 1: three million supporters and the international team is going to
Speaker 1: have six billion. Um. Theoretically, Um, there's the supporter base
Speaker 1: for the team is potentially massive, um and everybody, and
Speaker 1: and that should be just taken as it is. The
Speaker 1: US is clearly the strongest country engulf by a long stretch,
Speaker 1: and it's fun to try to beat the best. Um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think that the international team
Speaker 1: should have sort of a lot of saying and the
Speaker 1: team and how it operates and how we set up
Speaker 1: our sort of awakened how it's all structured. Absolutely, because
Speaker 1: I think it's only two golfs benefit that this tournament thrives,
Speaker 1: and um, the international team gets the great crack auditor
Speaker 1: that they deserve. I mean, the shield is really cool.
Speaker 1: It looks like a superhero logo. I'm a fan without
Speaker 1: a doubt, And um, you know, obviously it was a subtext.
Speaker 1: This whole President's Cup was live golf in the background,
Speaker 1: and the players who were there weren't there. But I
Speaker 1: think in some ways the US team was helped by
Speaker 1: the way this is all shaken out. And clearly they
Speaker 1: missed Ustin Johnson, who went five and oh at the
Speaker 1: last president at the last Ryder Cup and is playing
Speaker 1: beautiful golf right now like he would have been an asked,
Speaker 1: there's no question but to get rid of Bryson de Shambo,
Speaker 1: Patrick Reedham, Brooks Kepka, who are are three of the
Speaker 1: spikiest personalities in golf. I guess would be a polite
Speaker 1: way of seeing it. Um. I mean, Jeff, did you
Speaker 1: detect a different camaraderie and team spirit on this US
Speaker 1: team than some previous incarnations? Are they certainly? Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: they're They're are They've got a great sort of thing
Speaker 1: going on the US team. M as I said, They've
Speaker 1: kind of got three sets of best friends who are
Speaker 1: all young. They're all top ten in the world. Um,
Speaker 1: and there's I mean, I'm not even putting Colamara Kawa
Speaker 1: in there, who's obviously an unbelievable golfer. Um Cam Young
Speaker 1: who that's the first time I've actually seen him play
Speaker 1: up close a few times. I mean, the way that
Speaker 1: guy hits the ball, it's just unbelievable. Um. Yeah, they've
Speaker 1: got they've got some really good stuff. And Scotti chef well,
Speaker 1: scottis Cheffler unerstand as he was in the thing. He's
Speaker 1: got number one in the world. Um. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: a they're they're in a good spot. I feel like
Speaker 1: there was that period. Um, I feel like Tiger and
Speaker 1: Phil ended up sort of really having sort of great
Speaker 1: sort of passion for the Ryder Cup. Um, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if they really sort of fully were embraced
Speaker 1: in it like say a Sergio or Monty was for Europe.
Speaker 1: You know. Um, but now I feel like they really
Speaker 1: do have seven Almost the whole team room just really
Speaker 1: enthusiastic about this team events. They seemed to really really
Speaker 1: enjoy the contest. Um look forward to it. I mean
Speaker 1: the yeah, I think they've got The US team has
Speaker 1: got a really has got a lot going for it
Speaker 1: at the moment. And it's the talent is so deep too,
Speaker 1: like you say, and you say, sparky personalities, but there's
Speaker 1: some fair talent that's that's not there as well. And
Speaker 1: to consider that the team is as good as it
Speaker 1: is without Brooks, kept care and Dustin Johnson and um,
Speaker 1: it was only a few years a guy that Patrick
Speaker 1: Grade looked like he was going to be like the
Speaker 1: most unbeatable match player in these tame events we've ever seen. Um,
Speaker 1: and he's not there. Bronson's not there. It's Um, it's
Speaker 1: incredible how deep American golf is at the moment and
Speaker 1: how good it is. Yeah, and even and Tiger is Tiger,
Speaker 1: but you know his Ryder Cup record is is mediocre
Speaker 1: at best. You know it was he was such a
Speaker 1: big personality. I think he intimidated some of his teammates,
Speaker 1: and he was an introvert, and he created unusual dynamic
Speaker 1: in the locker room. And Phil loved these team events,
Speaker 1: but he sucked all the auction out of the room.
Speaker 1: So even losing the two the greatest players in the
Speaker 1: last well the greatest player of all time and one
Speaker 1: of the second best in the last thirty years, in
Speaker 1: some ways seems like a net positive to the U
Speaker 1: S team because you know, those guys were there home
Speaker 1: their personalities and some of the baggage that came with
Speaker 1: both of them. So yeah, it just felt like this
Speaker 1: US team was had a together in a sit that
Speaker 1: is rare and it is fun to watch. And of
Speaker 1: course that was also the case with the way this
Speaker 1: international team bonded. I mean, what did what did you do?
Speaker 1: And what did Trevor do? And and the other guys
Speaker 1: around the scenes help foster this atmosphere where these guys
Speaker 1: came together from different tours, different countries, different parts of
Speaker 1: the world, and yet they seemed they seemed so cohesive
Speaker 1: and tighten it, Like, what do we not see that
Speaker 1: they went into that there was a lot she didn't see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Trevor just did such a good joke. He
Speaker 1: just was so passionate and enthusiastic about sort of the
Speaker 1: role and this team. Um he'd been I mean the communication.
Speaker 1: I mean that they've been chat groups on the phone.
Speaker 1: We've been chatting and communicating since the day after Royal Melbourne,
Speaker 1: you know, three years ago. Um. And he put him
Speaker 1: in Calman to his wife, put so much of their
Speaker 1: time in this and they they just Sushton pushed and
Speaker 1: pushed to make it the best possible environment for the players,
Speaker 1: and from as soon as everybody arrived, it just felt
Speaker 1: really really good. Um. I mean it's then then we
Speaker 1: don't need to describe all the little things that he did.
Speaker 1: But just the passion and enthusiasm I guess which is
Speaker 1: an enthusiasm is infectious. He gred some, he gave us
Speaker 1: some great rousing speeches and made it a lot of fun. Ah,
Speaker 1: and just it wasn't hard. You didn't have to buy in.
Speaker 1: It was just it's just like I'm on this train,
Speaker 1: Like the train came past and I'm jumping on this
Speaker 1: because this is the train I want to get on.
Speaker 1: You know, it was just um from from Monday morning
Speaker 1: Sunday night, Monday morning. It was just like, Wow, this
Speaker 1: is this This week is going to be fun. It's
Speaker 1: a little bit different. The young guys, eight rookies, all
Speaker 1: just so excited to be there, just blown away by
Speaker 1: how sort of big these events. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it takes you by surprise the first time you get
Speaker 1: to one of these things, how big they are. When
Speaker 1: you ahead house sort of on one level, has spoiled
Speaker 1: you're getting on another level, how big to build out
Speaker 1: of the golf courses and sort of how how nervous
Speaker 1: you are on Thursday morning, and sort of it's just it.
Speaker 1: They just feel really amazing and exciting and big and
Speaker 1: full of pressure, and it's like kind of the ultimate
Speaker 1: test of you as a golfer. And I think Trevor
Speaker 1: just sort of created this sort of I don't know
Speaker 1: if family like bond that just it was very early
Speaker 1: in the week. I mean, I think early President's Cups
Speaker 1: that I was involved in, and I feel like all
Speaker 1: the way back to the start, because we bring so
Speaker 1: many sort of nationalities and cultures together in the same room.
Speaker 1: Usually by Saturday or Sunday, we were like an incredible team,
Speaker 1: but Trevor sort of got that achieved on Monday morning.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, because of and it was the lead up.
Speaker 1: It's not just the week. It's lots of team meetings,
Speaker 1: lots of dinners throughout the year, sort of practice rounds
Speaker 1: all the time with prospective teams. I mean sort of
Speaker 1: the collective group or twenty five or so players who
Speaker 1: could potentially make the team at sort of the start
Speaker 1: of sort of all in the mix, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's a big group from the beginning.
Speaker 1: And um and as I said, like it said, it's
Speaker 1: it's a collective. It's collectively every country can sort of
Speaker 1: unite in trying to beat sort of the best team
Speaker 1: in the world. You know. It's just just an incredible job.
Speaker 1: And it was just exciting. Like it's that they're so
Speaker 1: tiring those weeks, especially as the captain, um, because every
Speaker 1: night you're sort of debriefing and working out what you're
Speaker 1: going to do tomorrow and sort of strategizing and sort
Speaker 1: of going through all that stuff every night, so you're
Speaker 1: not getting a lot of sleep. And you're having really
Speaker 1: long days. But it was just so it didn't take
Speaker 1: any like the alarm goes off, Bang, I'm getting up again.
Speaker 1: I get to do this again. And it was excitement.
Speaker 1: So it's just fantastic weeks and Trevor sort of he
Speaker 1: steered the ship incredibly well and made us all want
Speaker 1: to go along with him. Just it was sort of
Speaker 1: an Trevor isn't that well known to the American golf
Speaker 1: audience was sort of an introduction to him, but will
Speaker 1: get a really much bigger one come in April when
Speaker 1: he does his first Masters. Can you share with those
Speaker 1: any insights you might have about what kind of broadcaster
Speaker 1: Trouble will be at the Masters next year? Well, I
Speaker 1: think anyone who watched some of his media conferences next
Speaker 1: year will sort of see how classy and elegant he speaks,
Speaker 1: and it's well thought out um and a lot of
Speaker 1: passion there. I mean, he's been a golfer since. I
Speaker 1: think he could stand up Trevor and passionate one. And
Speaker 1: he loves the game. He's sort of a true he's
Speaker 1: a true golf fan as well as being an unbelievable golfer.
Speaker 1: And he's yeah, I think he's his announcing I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, if anybody's been watching CBS in the last
Speaker 1: few years sort of, I hope that they enjoy his
Speaker 1: sort of analysis and the way he says the game.
Speaker 1: And I think he'll be He will be really good.
Speaker 1: He'll do his research, he'll work really hard. Um. He
Speaker 1: wants to be great at anything he does. UM. And
Speaker 1: he's very well spoken and and he thinks about thinks
Speaker 1: about what he's saying and quite eloquent. I think, um.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I mean there was getting standing ovations
Speaker 1: coming back into the team room after his media conferences
Speaker 1: every day because if sort of the team was watching
Speaker 1: it that the TV's in the team room and everyone
Speaker 1: start of watching sort of how he's doing it the stuff.
Speaker 1: And UM, I think he'll be great. I don't. I
Speaker 1: think they've picked the perfect person. You know, you mentioned
Speaker 1: Kim Young, and we touched on Tom Kim, but who
Speaker 1: else really impressed you, you know, seeing them up close
Speaker 1: inside the ropes like you did. Um, San Burns I
Speaker 1: saw up close for the first time, and wow, he's
Speaker 1: really really, really good. Um. He handled the big moments
Speaker 1: really well. He um hits it incredibly far, drives the
Speaker 1: ball really really well. He looks like he's got a
Speaker 1: really impressive future. Um, Scottie Scotti, Cheffley, it's at further
Speaker 1: than I thought. Um, he was hitting the miles. Um
Speaker 1: cam Davis was great. I mean the way he stood
Speaker 1: up on Saturday afternoon, him and Scotty played one of
Speaker 1: the highest level sort of best balls I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: especially coming down the stretch. It was amazing. I mean
Speaker 1: cam Davis finished eagle Bertie Bertie for them to win,
Speaker 1: for them to win that match, and Scottie and was
Speaker 1: making Bertie Bertie Bertie as well on those last three holes.
Speaker 1: I mean it was just and as I said, quaital
Speaker 1: hollow is, it was not set up easy. Those creens
Speaker 1: were rolling really really fast and the pins weren't easy.
Speaker 1: And Um, cam Davis was impressively. Here's the ball really well,
Speaker 1: said Cheffler, sort of impressed me. I mean, tom Kin
Speaker 1: was amazing. Seawork Kim was just outrage It was just outrageous.
Speaker 1: I mean he's that. I mean, I guess if you
Speaker 1: don't really really, if you haven't been inside the ropes
Speaker 1: and seaward him. I played with him, um or sort
Speaker 1: of watched him play up close. She's probably like, way,
Speaker 1: I see where Kim's beating Justin Thomas. I don't get
Speaker 1: how that happens. But like anybody who's ever played, we
Speaker 1: see who knows how is how high his ceiling is
Speaker 1: as society as anybody's. Um, and he just loves the
Speaker 1: big moments. He's just incredible. I followed him around quite
Speaker 1: a few holes two or three of his matches that
Speaker 1: living in National and seventeen, and like, I saw something
Speaker 1: pretty special in the big moments and he uh, he
Speaker 1: did it again. He was incredible to look, they all
Speaker 1: played so well. I mean, look, golf, I haven't really
Speaker 1: been inside the ropes that much in the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, but the level of golf is going up
Speaker 1: so fast. At that level, Um, it's fun to watch.
Speaker 1: She really is. I mean the golf it used to
Speaker 1: be there was three or four guys. I mean for
Speaker 1: someone like me, I guess who plays and maybe doesn't
Speaker 1: want to acknowledge other people's skill because that sort of
Speaker 1: helps my mental game. I I used to be impressed
Speaker 1: by two or three people in the range. Maybe you know, like, wow,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to beat that guy's good. But
Speaker 1: everyone else, Yeah, he's kind of he's all right, but
Speaker 1: it's just unbelievable how good all of these guys are.
Speaker 1: Now the level is so high. They all swing it
Speaker 1: great if you stand behind both teams on the range.
Speaker 1: It's just just an absolute clinic about how these guys
Speaker 1: um play the game and they make so many parts.
Speaker 1: Jordan always boys me away with how many parts he makes. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the level of the level of golf at the top
Speaker 1: level is is improving, maybe at the fastest rate that
Speaker 1: has for a long time, it feels like to me anyway.
Speaker 1: I mean, the difference between the sort of there used
Speaker 1: to be three or four, as I said, top top
Speaker 1: two or three golfers in the world, was so much
Speaker 1: better than twenty years ago, you know. I mean, look
Speaker 1: at the gap between Tiger and second, and then look
Speaker 1: at the difference between Early and Phil and the next
Speaker 1: guy sort of at the time, you know, but now
Speaker 1: t in the world, they all to play just outrageously
Speaker 1: impressive golf. Um even further down. Um, yeah, the level
Speaker 1: is really really high. It's fun to watch. It's it's
Speaker 1: a thought to the whole people should go, people should
Speaker 1: go walk along the roads for some of these guys
Speaker 1: because it's just incredible what these guys are doing at
Speaker 1: the moment. Trip I was on the I was on
Speaker 1: the phone earlier today with David's love, and he said,
Speaker 1: you can't have a team room like the one we
Speaker 1: had and not have Phil's name come up, not have
Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson's then come up. Uh he didn't say Patrick reed,
Speaker 1: but you know maybe Patrick reed as well. Um, did
Speaker 1: you find something similar in your team room in terms
Speaker 1: of people who weren't there? You know, it didn't come
Speaker 1: up at all. I mean, going there, I thought, well,
Speaker 1: maybe there'll be a bit and and the press tent
Speaker 1: tried to get it out of it and get it
Speaker 1: out of Trevor and um, but no, I didn't. It
Speaker 1: didn't come up. Trevor was really really good about it.
Speaker 1: Just that just weren't the unmentionable is It just didn't
Speaker 1: come up. Um. He created such a great atmosphere of
Speaker 1: we are so happy you guys are all here. What
Speaker 1: a great opportunity this is for this international team to
Speaker 1: sort of, um, when a President's Cup in America that,
Speaker 1: like I'm being genuinely honest, it just didn't. It just
Speaker 1: wasn't even a factor in the team rooms. And I'd
Speaker 1: credit I'd credit Trevor for that because it could very
Speaker 1: well easily have been, especially when we were down eight too,
Speaker 1: and as I said, the questions were coming, the questions
Speaker 1: were coming, and when all the the players were sitting
Speaker 1: up in their press conference, of questions came and the
Speaker 1: the players just did an unbelievable job at saying no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're the ones who were here, We're going to win
Speaker 1: this tournament. Next question. You know, it really wasn't talked about,
Speaker 1: and it might have been thought about by others, but
Speaker 1: to me, it didn't feel like it was a factor
Speaker 1: at all. Although Trevor did have the sickest burn of
Speaker 1: the whole week on Twitter. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: you must have seen it where Greg Norman put out
Speaker 1: this very faux sincere tweets a picture of an old
Speaker 1: President's cup and I wish the boy is good luck
Speaker 1: and Trevor's response in our Cops is just l O L.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was that was pretty epic. How did
Speaker 1: that go down in the team room? Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: pretty well received. It's uh, yeah, that was that was
Speaker 1: pretty funny. And I guess a lot of these Trevor
Speaker 1: has sort of been dealing with this the whole time,
Speaker 1: right because he's sort of he's been going through the
Speaker 1: roller coaster of not knowing who who he's going to pick,
Speaker 1: and all this stuff sort of happened. He's had three
Speaker 1: years to sort of playing this cup out, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure he had a few a few guys more than
Speaker 1: penciled in to his lineup, you know, and um, he
Speaker 1: had the sort of the stress and anxiety going along
Speaker 1: about who's going to be coming and who's not, and
Speaker 1: so he's been sort of living this story for a
Speaker 1: while and then for stuff like that to come along,
Speaker 1: It's just he handled it with such class. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think it's It's might sound from the outside
Speaker 1: like it wasn't classy, but I think that was. It
Speaker 1: was just the perfect response because it was just a
Speaker 1: nonsense tweet really from egg Um just more about it's
Speaker 1: all about Greg, you know. Um, yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 1: The team loved it. It was it was brilliant. Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was classy and its understatement. But we
Speaker 1: know you haven't slept in a long time, Jeff, what
Speaker 1: We're gonna let you go here, but you have to
Speaker 1: tell us one good story from the victory party. I
Speaker 1: think I saw son Jay maybe doing Gangham style and
Speaker 1: impressive fashion for a big man. It's got pretty good,
Speaker 1: pretty quick feet. But um, what other funny things happened
Speaker 1: Sunday night in the wee hours. Lots of funny things
Speaker 1: happened in the way I was not many of them
Speaker 1: are gonna not any of them are going to make
Speaker 1: it on this podcast. Son Jay was a very impressive
Speaker 1: Gangham style dancer. I mean it was. Look, it was
Speaker 1: the best spirited party. It was the best. It was
Speaker 1: one of the best after parties of these things we've
Speaker 1: ever had. Quite quite often, it can be a bit
Speaker 1: flat if you've lost the tournament. Um, but no, it was.
Speaker 1: It was so I don't know, it was so joyful.
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, everyone was just so excited about how
Speaker 1: well the week had gone. Majority of the US team
Speaker 1: came into our room because it was more fun um
Speaker 1: at last, after a few hours sort of ours was
Speaker 1: just keeping on going. You know, ours just kept getting
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger and bigger, and to their correcit to
Speaker 1: the two US teams credit, they all came in and
Speaker 1: they all hung out. I mean most of them hung
Speaker 1: out most of the night. Um, no no details, but
Speaker 1: JT and Jordans were there till the end and it
Speaker 1: was it was brilliant and they were open arms and
Speaker 1: every time they'd come in and Trevor would congratulate Jordan's
Speaker 1: speed for winning the cup and congratulates and a Chaffle
Speaker 1: for winning the cup and yeah, congratulate Patrick. He they
Speaker 1: all came in and it just it was this collective,
Speaker 1: joint sort of celebration. It was brilliant. It was a
Speaker 1: really good time. It went really really late. Most of
Speaker 1: us were for fulfilling fairly worse for wear on Monday morning. Um,
Speaker 1: but it was, yeah, it was, it was. It was
Speaker 1: a good nod. It was good times. Hello that Michael,
Speaker 1: any last questions before we let Jeff go. No, that
Speaker 1: was perfect. Now, that was that was a great all right, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you for taking time to reflect on a pretty
Speaker 1: epic week. Jeff. We wish you luck at the Dunhill.
Speaker 1: If you know, what's your favorite golf course in the world,
Speaker 1: so we'll all be watching you. Um, there's been another
Speaker 1: Fire Drill podcast. Thank you as always for listening. For
Speaker 1: Michael Bamberger. This is Alan Chipnuk. Jeff oogilvie. Uh. We'll
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