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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntire. What is up?

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Speaker 2: Straight fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre, straight by here

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Speaker 2: for Wednesday, March the fifth. Almost forgot what day. It

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Speaker 2: was great night on the gambling front again. You gotta

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Speaker 2: follow me on ig. But Lakers first quarter cash easy, folks.

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Speaker 2: You know if you have them, been paying attention. They've

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Speaker 2: cashed thirteen of their last fifteen first quarter bets. They

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Speaker 2: are overwhelming people out of the gate with Luca and Lebronte.

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Speaker 2: There is not enough tape on them yet for teams

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Speaker 2: to be ready. And man, another phenomenal performance from the Lakers,

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Speaker 2: just destroying the Pelicans for much of the game. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: you know they let their guard down late. But this

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Speaker 2: is just a really good team. We'll get we'll get

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Speaker 2: to the NBA. I just need to get that bet

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Speaker 2: out of the way first. And how about Texas, say,

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Speaker 2: and I'm taking down yes as a five point dog,

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Speaker 2: taking down number one Auburn. Nice win. March VanNess is

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Speaker 2: nearly upon us. We'll start in the NFL, mostly because

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for Robb G's Raiders. You know Rob g

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Speaker 2: is Raiders. My Jets. It's been a rough go. However,

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Speaker 2: I saw quotes from Max. I don't know why I

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Speaker 2: has two xes in his name, Max, but m a

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Speaker 2: xx Crosby is excited about the potential of Aaron Rodgers. Now,

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Speaker 2: the last time Max Crosby spoke up about a personnel move,

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Speaker 2: it was keeping their head coach, and as you guys know,

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Speaker 2: it did not go well for Antonio Pierce. Max Crosby

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Speaker 2: pounding the table. We need to keep Pierces, we need

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Speaker 2: to get They ran him after a year. Okay, he

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Speaker 2: was the interim guy filled in admirably, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it was DeVante Adams and Crosby and one

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Speaker 2: other player. Rob can probably remember. It went went to

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Speaker 2: like dinner with the owner and we're like, we need

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Speaker 2: to keep Antonio Pierce. He's our guy, and then obviously

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Speaker 2: he was not their guy. So I don't know, Rob,

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Speaker 2: just let's get this out of the way early. As

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Speaker 2: the resident Raiders fan, do you want ar fifteen aka

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers aka Toe Rogan? Do you want him quarterbacking

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Speaker 2: your Raiders next season?

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Speaker 3: One thousand percent?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Oh I did not expect that.

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Speaker 3: Look, Aaron Rodgers had a mediocre season last year. Okay,

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Speaker 3: he was tied excuse me, ranked thirty first the NFL

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Speaker 3: with an adjusted QBR forty eight point one. He was

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Speaker 3: tied for twenty first in the NFL with a passer

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Speaker 3: rating of ninety point five, and he threw eleven picks,

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Speaker 3: anything the Raiders had last season and realistically could have

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Speaker 3: believes all this smoke coming out of the Combine that

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Speaker 3: Shador Sanders falling like a rock in the NFL draft,

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Speaker 3: no way, I don't believe that either.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: So it comes down to, and we talked about this

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Speaker 3: Do you believe that Kirk Cousins coming off with torn

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers? I don't. If you believe that the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: Steelers are gonna go with Justin Fields over Russell Wilson

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Speaker 3: and all those moonballs. Again, I don't think that's happening.

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Speaker 3: be Fields or Rogers. In that case, give me Rogers.

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Speaker 3: We have a seventy three year old head coach. We

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Speaker 3: this is you know, way down the line, if this

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Speaker 3: Davante Adams because there package deal.

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Speaker 2: Oh you think Adams would go back there?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I've seen crazier things happening in sports. Yes, right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was something like it was ridiculous. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, it makes him relevant. And that's how

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Speaker 2: I felt about the Jets. I was like, could we

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Speaker 2: get Lamar Jackson? Remember Lamar Jackson was unhappy. You were

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Speaker 2: saying that, come to the Jets, Jets, go get Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 2: come on, man, like, if we could take Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 2: as prime or old ass Aaron Rodgers, I think that's

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Speaker 2: a no brainer. And the Jets ended up Rogers after

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Speaker 2: his Darkness retreat. I don't know, are you just willing

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Speaker 2: Him doing podcasts, him doing radio hits where he's paid

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Speaker 2: Like do you even want that? I just it's just

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Speaker 2: I just don't think it works. I mean there's a

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Speaker 2: history of none of it working anywhere. Yeah, in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: In an ideal world. No, you don't want all that

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Speaker 3: I can't believe it coming full circle on this one.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers got entirely too much blame for what went

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Speaker 3: wrong with the New York Kids. Woody Johnson, He's the

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Speaker 3: a reason why the NFLPA and that report card. He

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Speaker 3: overpay for Alan Lazar, to bring in Randall Cobb, to

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Speaker 3: him to bring in Nathaniel Hackett, who could not coach

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Speaker 3: to be relevant. Aaron Rodgers lead us to the Promised Land.

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Speaker 3: And I drank the kool aid and I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the Raiders, number one, you got Pete Carroll in town,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, point blank period, does not have more gravita

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers can come in and say I need X,

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady's gonna give it up to him. So I

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Speaker 3: I don't think ultimately it's gonna go into such a

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Speaker 2: That was the biggest news. Obviously, DeVante Adams released by

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Speaker 2: it's pointing to the Raiders. I don't know. I gotta

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Speaker 2: wait to see it to believe it. The other NFL

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Speaker 2: news was Saquon Barkley. This is just what the smart

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Speaker 2: If the Eagles have taught you nothing, it's pay your

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Speaker 2: You've got to pay your guys early. The horses. I'm

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Speaker 2: just telling you. They moved off Bradbury this week, quietly.

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Speaker 2: ain't no thing. We got Nolan Smith, we drafted him.

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Speaker 2: you know what, We're good. We've got backups. They just

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Speaker 2: if you're a Giants fan, you just got to be like,

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Speaker 2: what the hell man, how badly did we screw this up?

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to hear well, even if we

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Speaker 2: kept him, it wouldn't have worked. No, you screwed up badly,

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Speaker 2: And now he goes and he looks like, how do

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Speaker 2: they let this guy go? It's just insane. It's almost

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Speaker 2: like Luka Doncic, who's cooking with the Lakers and meanwhile

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Speaker 2: the Maps thought he was fat and he was doing

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Speaker 2: too much hookah and he would like to drink. And now, oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, the Lakers they may never lose another game.

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Speaker 2: Rub I don't know, like, stop being dumb and move

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Speaker 2: don't move off stars, guys, don't don't be stupid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems pretty straightforward. And it's funny with Saquon Barkley. Now,

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Speaker 3: don't know if people know this. Saquon Barkley led the

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Speaker 3: had over two thousand yards in sixteen games last season.

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Speaker 3: He rushed for an NFL record five and four yards

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Speaker 2: No, no, you're You're spot on. And now I know

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Speaker 2: there is a line to draw. Obviously the Lakers went

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Speaker 3: But you're right.

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Speaker 2: I reward guys for a job well done. It looks good.

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Speaker 2: And guess what, every free agent around the league is

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Speaker 2: to the NBA real quick.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying not to go to negative here. Okay, the

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Speaker 2: guy just got hurt. His season's over. He's probably not

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Speaker 2: coming back. Kyrie Irving until like January of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even kidding, Like, Kyrie's gonna be out a

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Speaker 2: while with this acl he's older, Like this is the

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Speaker 2: So I was reading articles about the Dallas Mavericks being cursed.

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Speaker 2: So it's been like about a month, thirty thirty two days,

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Speaker 2: like everything's gone sideways. They trade Luca, Kyrie's done for

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Speaker 2: the season. You've got Ad getting hurt in his first game,

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Speaker 2: Of course, when your GM trades Luca and then comes

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Speaker 2: you're like, okay, maybe, and now it's like, yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: it's not happening. And Rob got me started with this whole, Like,

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Speaker 2: you know, he has a take on Kyrie. I'll let

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Speaker 2: never been the hugest Kyrie fan. So he went number

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Speaker 2: I don't think he could win thirty games when he

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Speaker 2: Then he gets pissed that Lebron's the man, goes to Boston,

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Speaker 2: can't get along with Jason Tatum and company. The young guys,

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Speaker 2: It was just awful for Kyrie. Then he goes to Dallas,

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Speaker 2: he becomes the ideal number two to Luka Doncic and

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Speaker 2: now he's heard again, and I'm looking this up. I

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Speaker 2: tested Robin. He did not get it correctly. So all

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Speaker 2: NBA is the prestigious award basically, are you the best

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Speaker 2: But basically, are you one of the best players in

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 2: So uh, let's see. Jason Tatum has been First Team

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Speaker 2: All NBA four times. SGA has been First Team All

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Speaker 2: I don't know five or six times.

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Speaker 1: Do you know how many times Kyrie.

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Speaker 2: Irving has been First Team All NBA AKA one of

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Speaker 2: the two best guards in the league. The answer is zero.

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Speaker 3: Zero?

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Speaker 2: Okay. Do you know how many times Kyrie Irving has

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Speaker 2: been first second Team All NBA. The answer is one,

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Speaker 2: Third Team All NBA twice. So he's got three All

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Speaker 2: NBA nods in his career. Okay. To put things in perspective,

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Speaker 2: Damian Lillard has seven All NBA nods. Okay, seven for

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Speaker 2: way up. Now. I know they've changed some of the rules.

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Speaker 2: You got to play a certain amount of games. I

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Speaker 2: don't think that totally matters. Essentially, we have criminally overrated

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: Now, Why do we view Kyrie Irving as if he's

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Speaker 2: some kind of Alan Iverson, which is not. Alan Iverson

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Speaker 2: took a sixers ragtag team with who is it like

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Speaker 2: Irving unstoppable, best handle ever he did Uncle Drew culturally.

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Speaker 2: I went to Instagram twenty million followers for Kyrie Irving.

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Speaker 2: Just an FYI, that's like more than twice the amount

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Speaker 2: of Patrick Mahomes, who leads the NFL. Well, actually, technically

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Speaker 2: like Kyrie Irving, is a massive deal. Culturally, he did

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Speaker 2: a cool movie. Uncle Drew's not bad. Check it out

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Speaker 2: if you haven't seen it. I won't spoil it for

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Speaker 2: a fifteen year old movie. He's something of an iconoclast. Okay.

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Speaker 2: He feels deeply and strongly about certain things, and you're

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Speaker 2: not moving him off that position. Guys find him cool, right.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Durrett followed him to Brooklyn. People are very attracted

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna rattle off some names, Rob g You you

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Speaker 2: tell me who had the better career, Damian Lillard or

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Speaker 2: Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard, Chris Paul or Kyrieerving.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Chris Paul by a lot, Russell Westbrook, Kyrierving, Russell

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Speaker 3: Westbrook by a lot, James Harden or Kyrie James Harden

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Speaker 2: Right, So I'm not even gonna mention Steph Curry. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't belong in the same sentence system. So I'll

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Speaker 2: go to the next tier of guys in his generation. Rob. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is a little harder because he also had injury roads.

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Speaker 2: But John wall who on some good Wizards teams, got

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Speaker 2: I will remind you Kyrie Irving never went any were

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Speaker 3: Oh, Kyrie Irving, it's close, It's very close.

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Speaker 2: You're probably I would probably agree with you. Kemba Walker

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Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving. But it's much closer than you think. When

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Speaker 3: people look at the at the resumes.

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Speaker 2: I'll ask this, and I'm sure people are going to

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Speaker 2: be scoffing. Is j Max smoking crack this early in

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Speaker 2: the morning. Kyle Lowry, big butt, point guard, formidable on

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Speaker 2: a bunch of good Raptors teams that could never get

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Speaker 2: Kyle Lowry or Kyrie Irving.

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Speaker 3: When you asked me this question before we started recording,

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Speaker 3: it was most the longest. Jim Rome asked, pregnant and

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Speaker 3: pause because they're so totally different. Player in a vacuum,

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Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving is a better player, obviously, but Kyle Lowry

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Speaker 3: has that Jenna Si quad where he just kind of wins.

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Speaker 3: He affects winning in a way that Kyrie Irving, for

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Speaker 3: all of his talent, just does not. So when it's

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Speaker 3: like that, I'm going to lean to the guy who wins.

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Speaker 3: So give me Kyle Lowry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know that. Like, is there a

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Speaker 2: I don't think there is.

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Speaker 3: If there is, it's based entirely on the way he

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Speaker 2: Swag.

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Speaker 3: He swagged like that. That's pretty much it. And this

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Speaker 3: You know, I feel like it makes sense in my head.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, let me run it by you. And

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Speaker 3: my feeling was that Kyrie Irving was on that path

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Speaker 3: Gets Lebron has a three year run, has a magical

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Speaker 2: He didn't even sit on the bench. Remember, he was

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Speaker 3: And then he forces his way to Brooklyn and basically

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Speaker 3: have this conversation, we do it another day. Completely derails

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Speaker 3: Kevin Durant's legacy with all of his you know commentary,

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Speaker 3: you know, remember the documentary they got in so much trouble,

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Speaker 3: got suspended, the COVID situation, YadA, YadA, YadA. He gets

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Speaker 3: Remember designs that I can't believe you would take Kyrie Irving,

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Speaker 3: he matures, he's linked up with a twenty five year

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Speaker 3: Luka Dancic, and you feel like he's on this path

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Speaker 3: there's few guys who are more talented than Kyrie Irving.

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Speaker 3: It's always just been something else that's prevented him from

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Speaker 3: to your point, he's gonna miss at least a year,

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Speaker 3: he's gonna have to ramp up when he does come back.

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Speaker 3: So realistically, you're not seeing a fully formed Kyrie Irving

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Speaker 3: back to one hundred percent until what the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: thirty five years old, a small guard with a history

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Speaker 3: of injuries. Like at that point, the boat is gone,

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Speaker 3: it's left the dock. There's it's not realistic to expect

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Speaker 3: that Kyrie Irving is ever going to fulfill the promise

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Speaker 3: that you would expect from him. And so now what

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Speaker 3: we're gonna end up with, I believe five, ten, fifteen

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Speaker 3: years from now, is he is gonna be that guy

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Speaker 3: that we joke about now on social media. Hey man,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know, but Eddie Jones was

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Speaker 3: a bucket back in the day. Oh, the real ones,

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Speaker 3: the real ones know that Lou will in the right situation,

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Speaker 3: could have been an All star multi time. He didn't

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Speaker 3: get a shot. The real ones know that white Chocolate

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Speaker 3: Jason Williams was the best point guard of that era.

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Speaker 3: He was just kind of stuck. Like that's you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, Like that's where that's where we're gonna

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Speaker 3: talk about Kyrie because the reality is, when you stack

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Speaker 3: his resume up against his peers, he's not even top five.

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Speaker 3: When you stack his resume up against the all time

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Speaker 3: point guards at best, he's like ten to eleven, twelve.

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Speaker 3: And how many guys do we have legitimate basketball debates

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Speaker 3: about that are that far down the totem pole at

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Speaker 3: their respective positions.

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Speaker 2: It is super fascinating how much love there is for Kyrie.

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Speaker 2: Ierving you know another guy that. I mean, he's accomplished

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Speaker 2: more so, he's not totally in that boat. But Kevin

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Speaker 2: Durant kind of falls, I think, adjacent to that immense talent,

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Speaker 2: never could totally break through then did go to the Warriors.

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Speaker 2: I had a buddy text me, oh man on there's

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Speaker 2: an asterisk by the KD titles. I was like, I don't,

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Speaker 2: I don't believe that, but I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: saw this rob late last night as the Suns were

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Speaker 2: coming back against the Clippers, KD had a nine game

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Speaker 2: finish with thirty four. Like Budenholzer was upset, calls time

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Speaker 2: out and Kevin Durant is coming to the bench and

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Speaker 2: he's chirping, he's not happy, and Budenholzer kind of like

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Speaker 2: not grabs his arm, but it's like, hey, KD, like

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Speaker 2: he wants to talk to him. KG just grabbed his

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Speaker 2: arm away, like get off me, and he was pissed.

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Speaker 2: And it's like Kevin Durant is perpetually unhappy, almost like

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Speaker 2: Kyrie Irving is he not? I mean, Kevin Durant like,

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Speaker 2: how do you know the cameras are on you all

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Speaker 2: the time? Man. I don't know if you saw that, Rob,

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Speaker 2: but it was just like the KD market. I had

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Speaker 2: a hot take on The Herd on Tuesday that I

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Speaker 2: think KD going to OKC after the OKC loses to

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Speaker 2: the Lakers in the conference playoffs this year, Like, please

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Speaker 2: KD return to the Promised Land, get us to the

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Speaker 2: finals again. We need to get back. You got us there.

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Speaker 2: We need They're gonna need a bucket. Maybe they give

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Speaker 2: up case On Wallace and three three future ones or whatever.

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Speaker 2: They got fifty million fixed in the war chest and

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Speaker 2: maybe not case On Wells. They need a forward, so

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Speaker 2: Jake Dabb whatever whatever it is. But I think Durant

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Speaker 2: could end up on OKC or Houston. Houston, by the way,

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Speaker 2: cannot win a game to save their life right now.

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Speaker 2: They're cratering. Look, they could be headed toward the play

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Speaker 2: in But I think KDI will go somewhere else next year.

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Speaker 2: And I just hope he cleans up his act because

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Speaker 2: what we're seeing in Phoenix is so ugly, Rob, It's ghastly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know what's funny is you're saying this

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Speaker 3: on the heels of them coming back from down nineteen

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Speaker 3: to start the fourth quarter against the Clippers, who vomited

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Speaker 3: that game away. So I guess you could say they

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Speaker 3: needed that little coach Bud kd tiff for them to

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Speaker 3: get going because Katie was great. But even with that

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Speaker 3: incredible comeback they had last night, that doesn't change the calculus.

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Speaker 3: The reality is, were it not for the aforementioned Kyrie

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Speaker 3: Irving knee injury, they wouldn't even make the play in

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Speaker 3: because I think we can all agree trying to make

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Speaker 3: up three and a half games with twenty games left

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Speaker 3: to go in the season is close to impossible when

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Speaker 3: you factor in how each team has played this season.

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Speaker 3: Because of that injury, I believe they're getting to the

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Speaker 3: playoff and then we'll see what happens. I'm not expecting

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Speaker 3: much even if they get to the actual playoffs, they're

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Speaker 3: one and done. You know, Phoenixes is not a very

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Speaker 3: good team. But I don't want to go full Kendrick Perkins,

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Speaker 3: you know. But to illustrate your point, the reporting over

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Speaker 3: the weekend was from Shaan Sharanya that the Suns are

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Speaker 3: gonna work with Katie to get a traded new contender

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Speaker 3: if you are a contending team, and this perk said

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Speaker 3: something like, why would I want KD because nobody has

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Speaker 3: devalued the championship more than Kevin Durant And that kind

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Speaker 3: of went over a lot of people's heads until you

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Speaker 3: realize kDa, maybe it's a cop coping mechanism on his

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Speaker 3: on his behalf, but he has made it clear on

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Speaker 3: numbers of occasions that it's not always about who wins

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Speaker 3: the championship. It's not always about the mythical leader of

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Speaker 3: a team. It's how committed are you to ball? How

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Speaker 3: committed are you to put it into work and develop

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Speaker 3: your skills and sharpen your craft. And that's fine if

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Speaker 3: this was a hobby of yours. I just want to

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Speaker 3: be as good as I possibly can be. I take

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Speaker 3: it seriously. I want to be a good basketball player.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna work, work, work at it to be as

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Speaker 3: good as I possibly can be. And if we were

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Speaker 3: playing golf or tennis, sure, but in a team sport,

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Speaker 3: in a competitive sport like this with other people around you,

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Speaker 3: it's not just about you. It's can you elevate the

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Speaker 3: people around you? Can you get them to believe in something?

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Speaker 3: Bigger than themselves, and Kevin Durant, for all of his talent,

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Speaker 3: does not do that. So if you are a contending team,

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Speaker 3: a legitimate Dnian because I say we jot to Huston,

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Speaker 3: I don't think Houston is a legitimate ending team. But

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Speaker 3: why would you bring in a guy like Kevin Durant

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Speaker 3: unless you're guaranteed that he's only there as a hired

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Speaker 3: gun to score? And how many teams can actually be

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Speaker 3: for I mean, okay, see would be a great fit,

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Speaker 3: but how many teams can actually say we have our

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Speaker 3: leader in place or undisputed one kd you just be

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Speaker 3: a bucket getter. We'll take care of the rest. There's

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Speaker 3: not many that could realize.

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Speaker 2: I mean even Houston, I don't He would probably be

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Speaker 2: their number one in a half court.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, But then is he gonna be the guy

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Speaker 3: to lead them?

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Speaker 2: No, that's the thing. I think Fred van Vliet's their leader.

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Speaker 2: But you know, he's getting long in the tooths and

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Speaker 2: they've got a lot of young guys. I don't see

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Speaker 2: him going to Memphis with John Moran. I don't see

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Speaker 2: him going to Minnesota with Anthony Edwards. But you're right,

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Speaker 2: he can't go somewhere and expect it to be a leader,

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Speaker 2: you know. But then again, Devin Booker tried to be

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Speaker 2: a leader. I don't know if you saw this recently,

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Speaker 2: but Budenholzer was like I did. Budenoldzer was like, hey man,

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Speaker 2: he needs to be less vocal out there and let

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Speaker 2: the coaches talk. And Devin Booker was not happy with that.

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Speaker 2: He let it be known that I was trying to

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Speaker 2: talk out there. We need to communicate. And that's what

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Speaker 2: he's getting at, Like he's trying to be a leader.

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Speaker 2: He played along Chris Paul for alongside Chris Paul for

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Speaker 2: a couple of years. He probably saw what leadership is

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Speaker 2: like and then he tries to do it. And Budenholzer,

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Speaker 2: who's now beefing with Booker and kad in recent in

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Speaker 2: the last week and now I guess he's getting a

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Speaker 2: taste of what Frank Vogel was up against in Phoenix

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Speaker 2: last year. This has been a just a total shit

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Speaker 2: show of an experiment for the Phoenix Suns.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's putting it lightly. You could make a

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Speaker 3: case that this team is the most disappointing team in

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Speaker 3: the NBA, and that's considering what happened in Philadelphia with Mbid,

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Speaker 3: Maxie and Paul George.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Sixers lost again, but that should surprise nobody.

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Speaker 2: All right, that was a lengthy Wednesday podcast. It's it's

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Speaker 2: hump Day and it's also ash Wednesday. What are you

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Speaker 2: giving up for lent?

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Speaker 3: Robb Gie, I am giving up this podcast for Lent.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, so I'm flying solo.

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Speaker 3: I mean you know that the end of the month

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Speaker 3: my leave starts. I'm gone for six weeks.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right, I forgot about the six week leave.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll just have to have robb you as a

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Speaker 2: guest on every day.

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Speaker 3: Just there you go, what a buddy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, rob g.

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Speaker 2: Yes, obviously he's got now two little babies at home.

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Speaker 2: That makes life tough. But you know, we'll obviously miss

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Speaker 2: him badly for six weeks at the end of March.

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Speaker 2: All right, but we still got still got him for

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Speaker 2: thirty twenty five days. All right, back tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: See