1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 3: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky Rhett with you 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 3: on a I guess what do we call? Are we 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 3: calling this a mock draft Tuesday? 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 4: Buck? 7 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 3: What are we referring to this as well? 8 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 4: I guess that's what it is is the opportunity to 9 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 4: get beat up by the football public because we are 10 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 4: now jumping into full draft season. 11 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: Is mob draft season? 12 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 4: I know HTT saves his one and only silver bullet 13 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 4: for later in the process, but. 14 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: You guys are a little impatient. 15 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'd like to get to people what they want 16 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 3: early here and then you can. 17 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 4: I mean, even though we don't even though we don't 18 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 4: have a coaches in gentlemen as, it doesn't matter, like. 19 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: You're still it's just an exercise. 20 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 3: There we go, all right, that's what we're doing today. 21 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 3: We're going to go through BUCkies mock Buck's gonna give 22 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: us a little explanation on what why he did what 23 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 3: he did. See if we can't have some good discussion here, 24 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 3: let's start it off here with the Chicago Bears. And 25 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: it looks like it looks like they have a new 26 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: offensive coordinator Shane Waldron, it's going to be that guy. 27 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: So keeping that in mind, I don't know how that 28 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: changes anything. If it changes anything, I kind of think 29 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: it doesn't change anything. But give me, give me your 30 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: top ten picks, go through them, and then we'll have 31 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: some questions for you. 32 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 4: Okay, here we go. Start out with the Chicago Bears. 33 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 4: They do as everyone expects them to do. They take 34 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 4: Caleb Williams, quarterback out of USC. The Washington Commanders followed 35 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 4: up with Drake May, quarterback from North Carolina. The New 36 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 4: England Patriots make it three in a row Jayden Daniels 37 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 4: quarterback from LSU. The Arizona Cardinals get Marvin Harrison junior 38 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 4: from Ohio State. The Los Angeles Charges go off the 39 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 4: grid a little bit. They get Brock Bowers tied in 40 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 4: from Georgia. New York Giants get Rome Dounz from Washington. 41 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 4: Tennessee Titans Ulu Fashanu, office of tackle Penn State. Atlanta 42 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 4: Falcons get a pastor usher Dallas Turner from Alabama. Chicago 43 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 4: Bears come back and get Leatu Latu edge defender from UCLA, 44 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 4: and then the New York Jets Joe offensive tackle from 45 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 4: Notre dame. 46 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 3: Go ahead, RTT. You get the first crack at this thing, 47 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: it's all you. 48 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it here up at the top, because 49 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: this is gonna be if it's Caleb Williams at one 50 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: the next two picks, it's gonna be all right, is 51 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: it Drake May or is it Jayden Daniels? And for 52 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: a calendar year or more it's been Drake May. But 53 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: we had the talk, We had the chat when DJ 54 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: laid out his first mock, and you know, Jayden Daniels 55 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: is gonna they're gonna be attached. So ultimately, what do 56 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: you think it would take for the commanders to say 57 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: this is what this is? What is the conversation like 58 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: when the commanders say we're taking Drake May over Jayden Daniels, 59 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: like and then you know vice versa, like, what what 60 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: is that conversation about what those players? 61 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 4: I think the conversation would just be about the prototypes, 62 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 4: because there's nothing that I can say on the field 63 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 4: in terms of playing that Drake may exceeded what Jade 64 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 4: Daniels did his final season at LSU. Say it would 65 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 4: be more of the prototypes. It would be grading him 66 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 4: on a bit of a curve because of whatever people 67 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 4: will say, like the talent around him, the supporting casts 68 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 4: and those things, But it would have to be a 69 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 4: projection more than a production pick. It's I'm projecting that 70 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 4: Drake May is going to be a better pro over 71 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 4: jayde and Daniels, and you're looking at like his size, 72 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 4: his frame, and maybe you get spooped a little bit 73 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 4: because of how slender he is. But the conversation's gonna 74 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 4: be interesting because if we stick to the tape, it's 75 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 4: hard to justify strictly on the tape that Drake May 76 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: is a better prospect than Jayden Daniels. If we go 77 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 4: one hundred percent off the tape evaluation. 78 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: I think that's it. I agree with that one hundred percent. 79 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: And the other thing I would say is, I'm always 80 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: when you're trying to do these mock drafts and you're 81 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: trying and climb into the head of the decision makers, 82 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: a lot of times you look at, maybe even more 83 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: so than the hits that they've had in the past, 84 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: you look at the missus that they've had the pass. Yeah, 85 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: and so if you go Adam Peters coming from San 86 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: fran obviously it didn't work out when they went high 87 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: in the draft and they trade up for Trey Lance. 88 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 3: It didn't work out. Trey Lance, I would say, you know, 89 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: some of just like the natural stuff, like in terms 90 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: of the accuracy there was he hadn't played a lot, obviously, 91 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: he didn't have a lot of experience, but you know, 92 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: he had tweak his release a little bit, and some 93 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: of the accuracy stuff wasn't exactly where it needed to 94 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: be in terms of just touch controlling the football. And 95 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 3: Jade and Daniels, when you watch his tape this year, 96 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: it's very accurate. The balls on the right shoulder like 97 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: he delivered the ball with tremendous accuracy. Drake May and 98 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 3: again take in all the surrounding and support and we're 99 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 3: going to do all this as we go up there, 100 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: there's there's some balls that you that aren't where they 101 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 3: need to be. And I just wonder, I just wonder 102 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: if when we get, you know, through the process, if 103 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 3: there's a ghost there that says, you know what, I 104 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: just I know the prototype. I see the prototype. But man, 105 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 3: like you were saying, the tape was just a little 106 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 3: bit better with Jayden Daniels this year, it's it's it's 107 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 3: gonna be something I think we're going back and forth 108 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: on throughout the process of how that's shake out. 109 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think right there early in the process, 110 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 4: like you just kind of put him there as a placeholder. 111 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 4: But I think everyone has to be able to recognize 112 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 4: it's gonna be hard for you. I mean, because so 113 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: many people do this for such a long period of time, 114 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: that name is what you're used to seeing. But you 115 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: got to be honest with the tape, and when you're 116 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 4: honest with the tape assessment, it isn't what some of 117 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 4: the other guys have put up. And he'll have to 118 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 4: answer that, and no workout can do it. You can't 119 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 4: change it until you put all eleven on eleven on 120 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 4: the field and go and do it again. But yeah, 121 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 4: I mean it's look, you grading on a curve when 122 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 4: it comes to Drake May. That's just what it is 123 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 4: right now in the process. 124 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's going to be a fascinating discussion 125 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: Caleb Buck on him individually. I know, you know the 126 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 3: numbers came off. I know when you look at the 127 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 3: numbers versus the top twenty five, it's going to be 128 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 3: thrown in everyone's face throughout the whole spring and how 129 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 3: he played in some of those games and what have you. 130 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 3: My personal take on it was this guy's gifted thrower. 131 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: There's no questions about his throwing ability. And I'm talking 132 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: about every type of throw now on the move, stationary 133 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 3: drive layer, like even just the simple quick screens where 134 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 3: you can just catch the ball and get out. If 135 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: you watch the Bills game this last week, Josh Allen 136 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: must have thrown fifteen of those balls. Like there's something 137 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: about just quick hands. It's like a short stop, just 138 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: quick hands, we can get the ball out. 139 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: Oh, David Cutcliffe Yahn. 140 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 3: Yes, So while he's while there's still and then coming 141 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 3: out of that college system he was in under Lincoln, right, 142 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 3: while there's gonna be a learning curve in terms of him, 143 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 3: you know, getting you know, through progressions, hanging in the 144 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: pocket and playing that brand of football. I think in 145 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: the meantime you can live with him with how accurate 146 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: and how quick he is, giving him some winners and 147 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: then letting him use his athletic ability to make some 148 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: things happen on the move as a runner as a thrower. 149 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 3: I think, in other words, whe I'm getting at you 150 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: can develop him and win while you're developing him. 151 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 4: My account to him had to write a piece elsewhere, 152 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 4: and I compared him to Russell Wilson in his prime 153 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 4: in terms of I think that he is. Look, he 154 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 4: doesn't play on time and on target, but his athleticism 155 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 4: produces big plays. If you can harness that, just kind 156 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 4: of teach him how to play a little more on schedule, 157 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 4: on time, like you'll do it. 158 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: I think for him everything is to coaching. 159 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 4: Like the coach, the coach player relationship that he has 160 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 4: with the offense coordinating and a head coach will determine 161 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 4: how quickly he becomes their rarefied talent that we've talked about. 162 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: I think there's also you know, we talk about throwers 163 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: and quarterbacks, right, the two different things. But a lot 164 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: of times in this league, man, if you if you 165 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: you have to be a thrower to be a quarterback, right, 166 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: So with him, if you just sat him stationary, it 167 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 3: said this this velocity, this placement, he can make all 168 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: he can do all that easily, easily, naturally, and I 169 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 3: think you can work through the rest of it. Russell 170 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: is the same way in that sense that like he's 171 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: a gifted thrower, Like this dude is a very gifted thrower, 172 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: so you start there. Whereas I think if we look 173 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: at some of these other guys who've maybe missed, there 174 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: were some holes in their bag. In terms of just 175 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: simply throwing the football, there's no concern whatsoever, like in 176 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: an accuracy competition, if they were just stationary, no pass rush, 177 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: he throws it better to anybody, any quarterback in this strap. 178 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: I don't think it's close. 179 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: And that's why I think, like the I think interviews 180 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: with Caleb are going to be interesting to kind of, 181 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, hear about if if we get you know, 182 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: the actual portrayal of what those those interviews are like. 183 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: And I would love to hear from Lincoln Riley more 184 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: about like whether he yearns to be developed that way, 185 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: to be structured in a way where he knows, Hey, 186 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: when I hit that fifth when I hit that, you 187 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: know on my fifth foot, you know my fifth step 188 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: hits bang up, balls out, I know that receiver is 189 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: going to be there, Like does he want that or 190 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: does he want to be the tail end of Aaron Rodgers' 191 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: career with Mike McCarthy where he had no interest in 192 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: playing on schedule right and there was no it was 193 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: just everything was just kind of all right, let's sit 194 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: back here for five or six seconds and see what happens, 195 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: because look, he's you know, electric in those scenarios. But yes, 196 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: there has to be a good balance. So I want 197 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: to know, like what his willingness is for it, right, 198 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: because I think there has to be some of that otherwise, 199 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna you're gonna find yourself, you know, 200 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: in a bit of a situation. So I'm really curious 201 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: to see that part of it too. 202 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, it will be interesting to see how it 203 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 4: all plays out. But he is gifted, no doubt. 204 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: Real quick. Brock Bauers was another interesting one who I've said, 205 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: you know, I had to think going fifteen, you had 206 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 3: him going five. I've said the range for him is 207 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: probably as wide as anybody because nobody debates the talent. 208 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: He's an elite, elite player. I think he definitely comes 209 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: into the discussion there given justin Herbert, you know, a 210 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: big time weapon you know, to play with. 211 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 4: There was it was just hard for me to think 212 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 4: that the Charge are going to go back to back 213 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 4: first round picks at wide out. That's the only reason 214 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 4: I was like, maybe a tight end, but man, can 215 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 4: you go back to back? Yeah, if you go back 216 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 4: to back at White House. So that's the only reason 217 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 4: why I had a tough time, Like putting another wide 218 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: receiver in this spot. 219 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 3: Ravens did worked out for them, But and I don't 220 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: want to Quinton Johnston's story has not been written yet. 221 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 3: But if we look back at the Eagles and the 222 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 3: decision that was made when they got they didn't get 223 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 3: it right, let's put it that way, and they came 224 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 3: back and got Davonte Smith and they solved it. So 225 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 3: I think there is precedent there to say, hey, don't 226 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 3: let that, don't let that stop you from taking who 227 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 3: you think is the best player. But the interesting discussion, 228 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 3: the interesting discussion rat is going to be financially is 229 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: going to be when we've paid Herbert. The difference between 230 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 3: the savings of taking a cheap stud ride receiver versus 231 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 3: taking a tight end who if we pick him this high, 232 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: he's going to be already one of the highest paid 233 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: tight ends in the NFL. So we're not getting that 234 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: surplus savings to fill out the rest of our roster 235 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: that we need when we've paid the quarterback. That that's 236 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: going to be an interesting discussion. 237 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: Plus, I mean, you're likely losing one, if not both, 238 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. 239 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 3: Yes, they're over. I'll give you the number real quick. 240 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 3: They are as we sit right now. The Chargers are 241 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: fifty five million dollars over the couch. 242 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: So I would just say that that would make the 243 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: taking a receiver and back to back years a bit 244 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: more palatable, Like if you know that, like those two 245 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: guys are gone and now you're left with what Josh 246 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: Palmer and Quinton there's room for another top end talent 247 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: there in a big way. So I get I get 248 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: your thought there too, Bucky be cuiapos all the time. 249 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 3: The other thing not just specific to the Chargers, but 250 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: we talked about it yesterday with those final four teams 251 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: having you know, three first round picks along the offensive line, 252 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: like the Chargers they have Slater, they have Zion Johnson. 253 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: They don't have that third one. And if we go 254 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: through our we'll do this another episode. But when we 255 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 3: go through that kind of championship uh foundation thing that 256 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 3: we've done in the past, we talked about the number 257 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 3: offensive lineman, playmakers all that stuff, like you can make 258 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 3: a case they need that third stud, you know, a 259 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 3: third stud offensive lineman. So they are going to be 260 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 3: a fascinating not just because I call their games, but 261 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 3: they're a fascinating inflection point in this draft of what 262 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: they do because of the options they'll have with receiver, 263 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: bowers or tackle. Yeah, that's a lot a lot going 264 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: on there. Let's take a quick break. We come back. 265 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: We'll get to eleven to twenty for this. All right, 266 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 3: buck pick eleven. The Minnesota Vikings are up. Who you 267 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 3: got here? 268 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 2: We go? 269 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 4: Jerry Verse and independent from Florida State goes to the Vikings. 270 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 4: Denver Broncos, Tarrying Arnold cornerback from Alabama, uh Vegas Freighters, 271 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 4: talis Uaga offensive tackle from Oregon State New Are. Let's 272 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 4: say it's JC Latham offensive tackle Alabama in Inafois Coast. 273 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 4: Get a playmaker in Malik Neighbors wide receiver LSU Seattle 274 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 4: Seahawks buying Murphy defensive tackle Texas Jacksonville Jaguars to Andandre 275 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 4: Sweitt d T Texas Cincinnati Bengals, Brian Thomas, junior LSU 276 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 4: wide receiver, the rams Bo Knicks quarterback out of Oregon, 277 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 4: and the Pittsburgh Series Amarius Mimes offensive tackle Georgia. 278 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: Start with next, Start with next. Buck. 279 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, the people. 280 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: I had to I had to answer for it. You 281 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 3: got to answer for it. So I'm just okay. 282 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: So I'm thinking about Sean McVay. 283 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 4: I'm thinking about the importance of toughness and experience in 284 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 4: those things. I'm thinking about the athleticism that bownex brings 285 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 4: to the position and the maturity. The one thing that 286 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 4: we can say about the Rams and what they've learned 287 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 4: when they draft mature players, those players play right away. 288 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 4: And I think that formula and the success they had 289 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 4: with Puka Nakua, the success that they've had with Karen 290 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 4: Williams and some of the other young players that are 291 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 4: very mature, may lead them to think that bow Knicks 292 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 4: might be the right pick for them at that position 293 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: because of his maturity. And then Changiables are off the charts. 294 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's I think it makes a lot of sense. 295 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: I think, you know, the fit seems pretty good with 296 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: the skill set that bow Knicks has, and obviously there's 297 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: no immediate need to play, even though Bo's you know, 298 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: the pretty dang season. When it comes to collegiate quarterbacks, 299 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: these days from his time at Auburn and in Oregon, 300 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: I could certainly see that. I'm kind of wondering though, 301 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: I mean, in terms of developing, when you've got a 302 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: head coach and quarterback that are that into the game 303 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: plan with each other each and every week, how much 304 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: room is there, you know, for for a young quarterback 305 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: to get that type of development. I'm sure there is, 306 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: but it's just some of that, some of that comes 307 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: into mind there. And I know if the Rams are again, 308 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: if they're viewing this window with Matthew Stafford as short, 309 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: how tough is it going to be to pass on 310 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: a player that might help you get there and get 311 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: one more crack at that thing? DJ, because that's obviously 312 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: the inflection point there. 313 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: Right, Well take that comment out and insert it with 314 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: Jordan Love and Aaron Rodgers, insert it with Aaron Rodgers 315 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 3: with Brett Farv like that's always going to be there. 316 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: I just think we've seen it. You know, the man 317 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: you you want to be able to get in the 318 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: tournament as without taking as long a gap as possible, 319 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: right like, just get in tournament, getting the tournament, getting 320 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: the tournament, and that he helps you, that helps you 321 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: do that, it might not be the best thing for 322 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: them to win a championship next year. 323 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: Well, and think about how they have absolutely hit it 324 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: out of the park on picks two through rounds two 325 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: through seven. So now you're using. 326 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: Your first They never have a first round pick, so 327 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: this is like found money for them. 328 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: Exactly right, and having had one since twenty sixteen when 329 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: they took Jared Goff number one overall and that ended 330 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: up working out, you know, pretty good for two teams. 331 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: And so now they've got an opportunity to use that 332 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: pick on a marquee quarterback and then go just knock 333 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: it out of the park again rounds two through seven. 334 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: It's as easy as that, right. 335 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 4: I do think people are going to look at the 336 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 4: Jordan Love pick a little differently now because they're going 337 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 4: to see, maybe I want to go to the grocery 338 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 4: store when I'm not hungry. Maybe I want to I 339 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 4: want to go and give myself a chance to get 340 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 4: a quarterback, maybe a year or two before we need one, 341 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 4: so I don't feel the rush to I gotta take 342 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 4: whatever the market gives me that year. So maybe that's 343 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 4: an opportunity for the Rams to do it and say, hey, 344 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: we're gonna park them on the show for a year, 345 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: maybe two, and really develop him and give him a 346 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 4: opportunity to play one thing. 347 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 3: I want one thing. I want to mention here. I'm 348 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: gonna put Buck on the spot here because when I 349 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 3: went back through and I watched it take a while ago. 350 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: So when I went back through and looked at I 351 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: don't know why, I had something different in my mind. 352 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 3: But bo Nicks got He got officially hided and weighted 353 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 3: in the spring, so we have that, we have the number. 354 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: We don't wonder how big he is. Buck. What would 355 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 3: you guess heightweight for bon Nicks? 356 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: I feel like it's a loaded question. 357 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 4: I musa say six to two twenty five. 358 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: He's six oh one seven, so you're off by an 359 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: eighth of an inch, and he's two hundred and twenty 360 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 3: five pounds dead on. I think sometimes people look at 361 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 3: him because he doesn't look big. I think you think, like, oh, 362 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: is he another? Like is he you know six foot even? 363 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: Like two hundred and five pounds. 364 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: Like he's two he's a six two. 365 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 3: Two hundred and twenty five pounds, Like that's a bill, 366 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 3: that's a thirty dude. 367 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: Man, he's a big enough kid. Yeah, let me pose 368 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: this question to you guys here, because what if the 369 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: scenario arises where Rams don't have that opportunity. Could the 370 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos take a quarterback at twelve? 371 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: Yeah? 372 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 3: No, absolutely absolutely. I don't think their future is on 373 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 3: campus right now. 374 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: Could the Las Vegas Raiders take a quarterback at thirteen? Absolutely, 375 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: no question. Could the Saints at fourteen? Absolutely? Seahawks at sixteen, like, 376 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: we might see these guys gone, that's. 377 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: When that's when you get to the Pennox and McCarthy's yeah, 378 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 3: you know, coming into coming into play. So yeah, no, 379 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 3: I think we could. Yeah, and we'll see what happens 380 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 3: in free agency. And there's some guys, there's some young 381 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 3: veterans too, you know out there that'll get another crack 382 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 3: somewhere else. 383 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: One quick one here on the edge rushers before we 384 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: move on to the next third. That kind of fuses 385 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: the top ten with this group of ten here, uh 386 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: lap tu Lato going to the Bears maybe over Jared Verse, 387 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: who you have, then going to the Bikings at eleven, 388 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: which certainly makes a lot of sense. What do you 389 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: think the conversation is there between those two bucks? 390 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 4: Oh look, I think the conversation when I'm thinking about 391 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 4: the Bears in particular, I'm just thinking about like energy, effort, 392 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 4: that type of stuff. I'm trying to think of the 393 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 4: person who would best compliment Montes sweat. 394 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: On the other side, Yeah, I. 395 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: Think Verse certainly can do it. 396 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 4: But I just think there's something about a lot too, 397 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 4: just the way that he comes to relentlessness. When you 398 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 4: talk to the UCLA coaches about him and they just 399 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 4: talk about, man, this dude is a freak show of 400 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 4: an athlete in terms of his bendability and what he 401 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 4: can do. I think that's intriguing. And I know the 402 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 4: medical thing would be a thing because he was medically 403 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 4: retired and came back. But his production and his athleticism 404 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 4: in a defense that was a pro style defense, I 405 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 4: think that could be intriguing. 406 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 3: Different style, totally different styles. I mean it's gonna be 407 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 3: kind of whatever, whatever style you want. 408 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: One's kind of a wrecking ball, right, the other one 409 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: maybe a bit more tech of a technician. 410 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, versus just like an explosive bomb that goes off 411 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 3: the line of screen. He just rugged. Its just you 412 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: run through your chest repeatedly. He's really good at it. 413 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 3: And then a lat two is a little more skilled 414 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 3: as a pass rusher, really good hands, He's a technician. 415 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 3: He can finish, and we've talked about that over the years. 416 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 3: I always think of Hendrickson is the name that pops. 417 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: In my mind, Henderson. 418 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: I think that's not a bad comp. I don't think 419 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 3: that's a bad comp for a lot too, because Hendrickson's 420 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 3: not He is not a big speed to power guy. 421 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 3: He's got some power, but that's not really his game. 422 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 3: He is just he's a technician and he knows how 423 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: to win. 424 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 4: So j It takes me back to the conversation and 425 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 4: the conversation we had with Greg Russo like years ago 426 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 4: and now Greg like paint the picture and much like 427 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 4: we talked about wide receivers and skilled and technicians and 428 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 4: we've kind of come around like, hey, man, I kind 429 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 4: of take the technician over the athlete. I kind of 430 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 4: feel that way about pass rushers. Nick Bosa was one 431 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 4: for me, that man, someone who just knows how to 432 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 4: you know, wax On wax Off can do all of 433 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 4: the stuff that you want to see. 434 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: You co write a kid. 435 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: It also has the speeding power those guys. 436 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 4: Those guys tend to always finish at the end of 437 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 4: the year ten eleven, twelve sacks because they just have 438 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 4: mastered the art a lot too. To me, has some 439 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 4: of those traits. 440 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 3: No, he's a good player, all right. Let's get to 441 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: twenty one to thirty two. 442 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 4: Buck all right, So twenty one Jackson Powers Johnson there 443 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 4: center from Oregon, the Eagle State. Nate Wiggins cornerback from Clemson, 444 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 4: Houston Troy for Out to Noon from Washington, Dattas Cowboys, 445 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 4: Tyler Geydon tackle from Oklahoma, Green Bay Packers. They can 446 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 4: resist the name. Kool Aid mckinstrey cornerback from Alabama, Daba 447 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 4: Bay Buccaneers. They get a nearby product, Kean Coleman from 448 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 4: Florida State, Arizona Cardoners, Jordan Morgan off tackle Arizona Buffalo Bills, Cooper. 449 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: Dejon Cooper Dejan feels like a Buffalo Bill, doesn't he. 450 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look in the little write up I 451 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 4: put Micah Hyde and some of the other guys that 452 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 4: played there. 453 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 3: But hey, here's a blast from the past you might remember. 454 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 3: Do you remember he actually went to Appstate, So that's 455 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Do you remember Matt Stevens oh yeah. 456 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 3: Matt Stevens. Yeah, he was a corner at white corner 457 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 3: at Apple State, and then Buffalo took him, i think 458 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: in the second round and he played safety for them. 459 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 3: I end up having a knee injury, but really really 460 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 3: explosive I remembers. 461 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: And a great returner right there. Oh stay good, use 462 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: here we go. 463 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 4: Twenty nine Kansaity Chiefs Chris Jenkins defense tackle of Michigan, 464 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 4: Interesting Detroit Lions, Chop Robinson Edgepenn State, San Francisco. Forty 465 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 4: nine is Quinyan Mitchell cornerback Toledo and Baltimore Ravens Breitlan 466 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 4: Trice as defended from you Dobe. 467 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 3: A lot of tackles. I mean that's I'm trying to 468 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 3: find some carryover between mine and yours. Buck, we both 469 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 3: believe this is going to be a huge tackle year. 470 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 3: A bunch of those tackles coming off the board. And 471 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: then in this last third here you've got some corners, 472 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: a decent number of corners coming off the board. I'm 473 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 3: curious with you when I was doing this, I got 474 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: to twenty five twenty six for me personally, and it 475 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: was hard kind of I didn't have like a ton 476 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 3: of first round grades like where I felt like, man, 477 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 3: who I want to put in here? 478 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 4: Once I got to twenty, it was a crap shoot yea. 479 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: And I think people are going to talk about this, 480 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 4: and it's going to be more of a theme as 481 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 4: we get in the draft. They'll talk about just the 482 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 4: lack of talent in the draft due to COVID situations 483 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 4: in IL. 484 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: There's only fifty something juniors. We've had years past with 485 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 3: over one hundred juniors come out, only fifty of them. 486 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: Fifty something came out this year, right, So. 487 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 4: Now you're looking at a class that is a little different, 488 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 4: and you know the beauty is gonna be in the 489 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 4: eye of the beholder when we talk about the bottom 490 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 4: of the first round, top of the second round, how 491 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 4: these guys come off the board. 492 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: To me, I think it's a. 493 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 4: Lot easier when you're an evaluating a team build to say, 494 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 4: you know what, I don't know, but I probably feel 495 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 4: better about a market position like a tackle, like a 496 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 4: cornerback where we can throw in there, as opposed to 497 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 4: some of those other things. I think what is interesting 498 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 4: in this draft because we spend so much time talking 499 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 4: about positional value in previous years, but we only had 500 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 4: one tied end. Do we have a linebacker? Don't have 501 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 4: a linebacker in the mix, no running backs in the mix. 502 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 4: And so what you're seeing in the first round, the 503 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: first round is going to be the piece you know, playmakers, 504 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 4: pass rushing, pass protectors in passes. That's that's who's going 505 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 4: in the first round. 506 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 3: The one thing I would add though, on the linebackers, 507 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 3: since I did my last one, uh, I've done some 508 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 3: more line Adrian Cooper from A and M has a 509 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 3: chance to go in there. I gave him a first round. 510 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 3: Great he is. He's gonna be big, long and fast. 511 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 3: So maybe that's where you know, we talked about taking 512 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 3: some of those premium positions, but maybe that that helps 513 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 3: a guy like that in a year where maybe we're 514 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 3: not as deep to say, you know what, I see 515 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 3: all these teams playing in the final four. I see 516 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 3: a lot of really good off the ball linebackers that 517 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 3: maybe this year I just take the best player and 518 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 3: just take that, you know, take a guy like that. 519 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: Two things that I think came up to me, DJ, 520 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: you had Ennis Rakestraw in your in your first right, Yes, 521 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: I did, from Missouri the corner, and I don't think 522 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: you had Nate Wiggins, So Bucky you put you put. 523 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 3: I had Nate. I had Wiggins too, I had both of. 524 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: You had Wiggins in. Okay, all right, you had Wiggins in. 525 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: And then just looking down there, you know as you 526 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: get into that that cornerback group, that's one thing to 527 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: kind of look at from twenty one to thirty two 528 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: with the three different corners you is it a flavor situation? 529 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: Is it a fit situation? There? And then I think 530 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: a fun one is what you got at twenty six 531 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: Mike Evans replacement and Kean Coleman, big physical receiver right there. 532 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 4: Oh well, you just know at some point they got 533 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 4: to do something. What are they gonna do? Like not 534 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 4: only Mike Evans but Chris Godwin. They both had big 535 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 4: money deals. It's essential for Mike's up. Mike's Mike says, 536 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 4: he's He's not. I mean like it sounded like at 537 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 4: the beginning of the season when they didn't get the deal, 538 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 4: this was going to be the one the last time. 539 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 4: And then you heard Baker Mayfield say that if I'm 540 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 4: coming back, I need to have this guy back with me. 541 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 4: The one thing a Baker Mayfield is gonna be the quarterback. 542 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 4: You need guys that can expand the strikes on. You 543 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 4: need guys that can take it off the backboard, and 544 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 4: he's one of those guys. Don't know how fast you 545 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 4: can run, but he certainly can go get it as 546 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 4: an acrobatic athlete that it specialized in making some of 547 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 4: those fifty fifty catches. 548 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 3: Well, and looking down here at the bottom, interesting to see, 549 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 3: like Chop Robinson's gonna test like a freak. He's gonna 550 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: run the low four fours. He's a crazy athletic dude. 551 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: Might get pushed up, Yeah, he could, he could go up. 552 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 3: But Braylan Trice, I would say the testing is going 553 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 3: to be very important for him because that's the knock 554 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 3: on him. It's like does he have any juice? Can 555 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 3: he go? So that like he's got a lot riding 556 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 3: on the on the process. 557 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 4: So the reason why I slid him with the Baltimore Ravens, 558 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 4: the one team who doesn't really. 559 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: Tact production, who doesn't care about tests, the Baltimore Ravens all. 560 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 4: The other stuff, because I'm sitting here looking because I 561 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 4: had a buddy of mine, like, man, how did the 562 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 4: Ravens always get it right? 563 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 3: I said, because they get good football players. 564 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 4: They look at the tape Cal Hamilton falls because he 565 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 4: didn't run fast, and like, oh oh he's an All 566 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 4: Pro safety. Oh yeah, because the tape's it, he was 567 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 4: gonna be that. So to me, that's why I satted 568 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 4: him there. I was like a team that would ignore 569 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 4: numbers would be the Baltimore Ravens. 570 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: The tape is solid. 571 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 3: There you go, there you go. It's a good defense 572 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 3: there all right, anything any other points you want to 573 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: make here rhet as we as we picked this thing apart. 574 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: I think we're very kind. I think we all there's nothing, 575 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 3: there's this is what. It's kind of a weird draft 576 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,479 Speaker 3: where there are some inflection points we talked about up 577 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: at the top. Yeah, but I don't feel like there's man, 578 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 3: this is there. These are just juxtaposed one another, like 579 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: I am this person, don't like that person, and you're 580 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 3: the opposite. Like, I don't see this as that type 581 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 3: of a draft. I think Drake, I think Drake made 582 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels is going to be the biggest debate of 583 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 3: the whole of the whole. 584 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 4: I think the more debates will happen when you start 585 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 4: ranking them out, when we start doing big boards and 586 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 4: we start having the list a top one hundred, what 587 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 4: order do you have people in sequenced lists? That's where 588 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 4: it becomes harder, because we can talk about all these 589 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 4: guys kind of being not I want to be disrespectful 590 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 4: to the prospects, but look, there's a lot of I 591 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 4: don't know, and so there are a lot of guys 592 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 4: that you like, very few guys that you love, and 593 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 4: that's going to be hard to figure out which teams 594 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 4: love certain prospects based on kind of the parody that 595 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 4: exists within this draft. 596 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 3: I come back to two players too on this thing 597 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 3: that maybe aren't the obvious ones, but like, if you're 598 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 3: saying two guys that you would stamp to me, Romadun's 599 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 3: been that guy for me through this whole process. You 600 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 3: loved him, and I would say Terry and Arnold is 601 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 3: the other one. These guys are big, fast, tough, productive, reliable, dependable, 602 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 3: like uh uh, and and you know, the draft is 603 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 3: an ultimate crapshoot when you have all those boxes checked 604 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 3: like those two specific players do. And they're not the 605 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 3: only ones, but those are just two to me that 606 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 3: I feel like, Man, I know, how competitive and how 607 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 3: productive and tough and fast. Those guys that I got, 608 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 3: I put my stamp on both those guys. 609 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: I already know. I already got a theme. I already 610 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: got a theme bruin for the ret mock one point 611 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: zero and final. It's already coming together. It is already 612 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: coming together. 613 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 2: You already have a thing just far out. We're already 614 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 2: doing things. 615 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,719 Speaker 1: It's already happening. 616 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 3: Here's what he's gonna do. I already know what he's 617 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 3: gonna do. He's gonna put the the Michigan tight end 618 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 3: in the first round just because he went to Indiana 619 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 3: at one point in time. That's what he's Let's go. 620 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: You're gonna love him. 621 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 3: It's a bad player, he's not a bad player. 622 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: Hey, we're all going, uh, we're all going All Star 623 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: Gaming this weekend. 624 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: That's right when you guys leave. 625 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: I'm leaving right after Champs Sunday. So we'll get on 626 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: the ground in Frisco. It's in Frisco, Texas this year, 627 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: not Vegas. The Shrine Bowl is, So we'll do practices 628 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: there Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, game Thursday night on NFL Network 629 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: in prime time. So yeah, excited for it. 630 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 3: And then you guys I'm heading out Monday. I'm heading 631 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 3: out Monday, going to Mobile. So the games on Saturday. 632 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: And we're back to like big, full on practice college. 633 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, which is all practice, and we'll have the 634 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 3: insider guys down there, so they'll be kind of keeping 635 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 3: everybody up with what's going on with But none of this, 636 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 3: a lot of this coaching stuff is still out there, 637 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 3: so I get it. You can watch some college kids, 638 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 3: uh and get excited about the draft. I also kind 639 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: of figure out what's going on with all these openings 640 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: that haven't been filled yet. 641 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: Fuck, you got a new defensive coordinator too. And Ryan 642 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: Nielsen's coming over from Atlanta. 643 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just got a text. I just got a 644 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: text from his side. 645 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 4: And now I'm curious on who who's coming with him 646 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 4: from the Falcons. 647 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 3: He's a rush for guy, right since, always been kind of. 648 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: A rush for Well, he's with the Falcons last year, 649 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: so that where. 650 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: He cut his teeth. He was he was a Pete 651 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 3: Carroll guy. I think going back to sc did he 652 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 3: played for Pete and he coached for Pete. I think 653 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 3: he's got ties to Pete for some reason. 654 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 4: He might have been been Here's what the Saints for 655 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 4: a long time, right, Dennis Allen. 656 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: Yes, and was going to go to the college. He 657 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: was going to go to l s U, but they 658 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: blocked him, and so now he's Oh. 659 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: By the way, speaking of block I saw Kellen Moore 660 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 3: got blocked the other day, which led me to wondering, Okay, 661 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 3: how does that factor into what the Chargers are doing? 662 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 3: But I think, hey, if you've got some candidates out 663 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 3: there that you know, First of all, Kellen could be 664 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: a candidate, but you've also got you know, guys like 665 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: Dan Quinn who've worked with Kellen in the past, you 666 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: don't want to make him available. In case you end 667 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 3: up hiring dan Quinn, you wouldn't have to make any 668 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: changes there. So interested interesting, interesting time. All Right, that's 669 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 3: going to do it for us. I hope you guys 670 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 3: have enjoyed it. Be sure to check out Bucki's mock draft. 671 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 3: Go to NFL dot com you can find it. He'll 672 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 3: have a little blurbs on every pick as well. So 673 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: if we didn't cover a guy on this pod, you 674 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 3: can read about it right there. I hope you guys 675 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: are all fired up for the championship games this weekend. 676 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 3: We are as well. We will break those down the 677 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 3: rest of the week and recap them next week. So 678 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 3: we appreciate you and we'll see you next time. Right 679 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 3: here on, move the sticks.