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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to our final Inside the Draft for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. This, of course a recap edition of

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Speaker 1: Inside the Draft. I'm Matt Taylor and Casey Valier as well.

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Speaker 1: We're inside the Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studio. And

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Speaker 1: you know, back in February we started this series. We

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Speaker 1: took a look at the draft on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of intrigue this year for the Colts,

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Speaker 1: says they were picking in the top four, ultimately drafting

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Speaker 1: Anthony richardson number four overall, the quarterback out of Florida.

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Speaker 1: We started with our good friend Charlie Campbell from Walter Football,

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Speaker 1: one of the most consistent and accurate NFL draft analysts

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Speaker 1: in the business, and it's only fitting that we end

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Speaker 1: with him as well, recapping the Colts draft and discussing

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Speaker 1: their twelve player hall they brought in over draft weekend. Charlie,

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Speaker 1: good to be with you again, sir. How are you today?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great? How are you guys?

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Speaker 1: We're doing good? Post draft life? For Charlie Campbell, what

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Speaker 1: is that like some things that you've had to to

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Speaker 1: put aside real life wise to pick back up with

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Speaker 1: after the draft. If you went full board for almost

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Speaker 1: four months.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well those final few weeks are super busy

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Speaker 2: writing wise and work wise. So now I just have

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Speaker 2: to catch up on lots of things like car repair,

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Speaker 2: that check up and bill se pay and all kinds

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Speaker 2: of family business. Indeed just put on hold.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed yet join the rest of us in that regard.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we appreciate that. How busy you are

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Speaker 1: post draft. So you've got the Colts. I read you've

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Speaker 1: got the Colts as your third most impressive draft. Why

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Speaker 1: do you feel that way?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought they'd had an excellent draft overall. It's

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Speaker 2: not surprising because Chris Ballard and Morocco Brown and you

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Speaker 2: know that that whole team there with the Colts really

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Speaker 2: has just been tremendous over the years in the draft.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not at all surprised that Dodds as well,

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Speaker 2: that whole group has just been one of the best

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Speaker 2: scouting in evaluating teams in the NFL, and I think

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Speaker 2: they just hit another home run with this draft class.

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Speaker 3: Now, before we dive into the Colts, I'm gonna stick

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Speaker 3: with your draft grades. When you look at the AFC

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Speaker 3: South three quarterbacks, take in there with Levis Stroud and

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Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson. You gave draft grades of a's to both

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Speaker 3: the Titans and Texas along with the Colts. When you

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Speaker 3: look at what this AFC South can be, this could

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Speaker 3: be one of the you know, one of those divisions

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Speaker 3: that for the next you know, decade or so. If

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Speaker 3: these quarterbacks work out, it could be a lot of

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Speaker 3: fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I mean, Walt does the draft grades, so

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Speaker 2: he's the one who gave the end of those grades out.

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Speaker 2: But I definitely think it's really exciting to see the

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Speaker 2: young quarterbacks in that division when you have one at

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Speaker 2: each team, with Richardson and Bryce Young going to the

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Speaker 2: Colts and Texans respectively, Lavis Landing with the Titans, and

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Speaker 2: obviously Trevor Lawrence is still very young in his career,

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Speaker 2: so you know, it could be setting up some great

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Speaker 2: rivalries and some really amazing quarterback matchups. With these quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: that all have good arms, good athletic ability, can make

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Speaker 3: Now, sticking with that Colt's perspective and Anthony Richardson, it's

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Speaker 3: one of those things where it's been hard to not

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Speaker 3: talk about the accuracy issues leading up through this whole thing,

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Speaker 3: but then the athletic traits that are off the board.

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Speaker 3: When you look at Anthony Richardson inside the Shane steike

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Speaker 2: I think it's a great fit because I think with

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, he's really ready to go for this kind

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Speaker 2: So I think it definitely is a good fit. And

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Speaker 2: Richardson just you know, he's a raw mold of play.

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Speaker 2: He really has not been taught yet. I've you know,

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Speaker 2: spoken with teams and other coaches, and his development just

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Speaker 2: that's a good thing because you don't have to undo

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Speaker 2: And obviously he has amazing upside with what he can

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Speaker 2: can make throws that other quarterbacks wish they could make.

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Speaker 2: He can make plays with his feet that other guys

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Speaker 2: just can't even consider trying. So he really is a

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Speaker 2: huge upside player and I think the Colts are the

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Speaker 1: You know, staying with that, Charlie, for you, how much

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Speaker 1: context was there in that regard for Richardson last year

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Speaker 1: at Florida That kind of skewed his draft evaluation when

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Speaker 1: it when it comes to you know, accuracy and completion percentage.

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Speaker 1: How much context for you went into you know, you

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Speaker 1: waiting him as a draft prospect that could go in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that definitely kind of gave you two

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Speaker 2: On the plus side, you saw what what he just

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Speaker 2: And on the downside, you know that you got quite

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Speaker 2: So he definitely has a long ways to go. But

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Speaker 2: I think that when you consider what he you know,

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Speaker 2: the what happened at Florida while he was there, overall,

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Speaker 2: it kind of helps to understand why there's this rawness

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Speaker 2: think there's loyalty there. He could have been one of

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Speaker 2: these guys who transferred out after year one or transferred

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Speaker 2: well for Anthony Richardson, no doubt, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Now, Charlie, I've got a kind of a funky question.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can follow along with me here. So when

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Speaker 1: you look at the top of the draft, the Texans

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Speaker 1: it all along in Richardson at four. Now, obviously nobody

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Speaker 1: in the draft knows that. But you know, with those

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals and pick up a quarterback and block the

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Speaker 1: which ultimately ended up being Richardson, in terms of how

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Speaker 1: can you even worry about that because you're thinking the

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Speaker 1: Coults are going to draft a quarterback no matter what.

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Speaker 1: So don't let's not even worry about that. Let's just

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Speaker 1: go up and get the guy that we love and

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Speaker 1: cherished that much, going from twelve to three to get

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Speaker 1: the best defensive player in the draft. Am I making

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Speaker 1: any sense in saying that? Do you follow that at all?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think from the Texans perspective, they know

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Speaker 1: I just mean, I just mean by then, by them

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Speaker 1: trading up to three, it opened up the door for

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Speaker 1: to have to battle against twice a year for the

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Speaker 2: Sure, but I think the kind of the issue there

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Speaker 2: right now, I think in Houston it's all, you know,

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Speaker 2: at that spot that now they won't have a shot

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Speaker 2: at and they could have had a good player at

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Speaker 2: very risky gambit. I don't really like it from the

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Speaker 2: He's going to be a good player, don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 2: I think he'll be a solid you know, eight to

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have that kind of rare seed or overwhelming power.

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Speaker 2: So to get you know, to give up that much

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Speaker 2: potentially you know, another really good player next year, that's

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Speaker 2: a big price to pay. And I don't think they

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Speaker 2: landing him. I mean they you know, teams get secretive.

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Speaker 2: They'll put out the smoke screens and mislead and not

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Speaker 2: really you know, tip off other teams what they're going

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Speaker 2: still think the Colts would have gotten Richardson. I think

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Speaker 3: Overall, well, the first round, you always have a lot

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Speaker 3: of pressure to you. But does this add even more

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Speaker 3: pressure to a guy like Will Anderson because of what

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Speaker 3: the Texans had to get up to get him?

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Speaker 2: I think so. I do think that it definitely, you know,

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Speaker 2: not only for him, but also for Jamiko Ryan Head,

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Speaker 2: coach Casario, their general manager, because you have two first

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Speaker 2: that you could just for you know, just for an example,

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Speaker 2: we could say if the Texans had kept that pick

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Speaker 2: at twelve, they could have landed say Lucas van Ness

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Speaker 2: McDonald I want to be at all surprised if he's

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Speaker 2: surprised if he produces more sacks because that's just what

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Speaker 3: Now, Charlie, flipping back to the Colts, one of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was really great drafting by them.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's stay on date. Round four, Blake Freeland, Charlie.

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Speaker 1: Also in the fourth round, Charlie, what kind of steal

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the best fit, and I think

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Speaker 3: Having Jonathan Taylor on the roster definitely gives you some,

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Speaker 2: I think that Avam Hall is a real nice value.

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Speaker 1: All right. Last one, Charlie putting the bow on the

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Speaker 1: NFL draft for you. You've talked about players that rose

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Speaker 1: and fell, which player fell the most that you're surprised

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Speaker 2: Well, good question. I mean, I think Will Labbath fighting

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Speaker 1: Here you go. He's one of the best around covering

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. Charlie Campbell Walter Football at Draft Campbell

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Charlie, we started this process with you. It's

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Speaker 1: always fitting that we end it with you. We love you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time breaking it all

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Speaker 1: down for us pre draft, post draft. Have a great

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Speaker 1: summer coming up, enjoy your time off and enjoy that

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Speaker 1: daughter of yours, all right, give her a kiss for us,

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Speaker 1: well do.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, always great talking with you. Have a great summer,

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Speaker 2: and get ready for camp.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be here before you know it. Thank you, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: Take care, guys. Thanks