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Speaker 1: I'm Buzznut, your host of the Taking a Walk podcast,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the special Taking a Walk I Love.

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Speaker 2: The Nineties episode.

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Speaker 1: We're going to go back and we're going to check

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Speaker 1: out some clips from some of my favorite guests who

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Speaker 1: made a mark on that incredible decade. Joey McIntyre is

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Speaker 1: a pop singer from Boston, known for his solo work

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Speaker 1: and known for New Kids on the Plock, and he

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Speaker 1: joins us on this I Love the Nineties Taking a

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Speaker 1: Walk episode.

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Speaker 3: Hi Joey, welcome to Taking a Walk.

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Speaker 1: Hey, how are ya well? Thank you for being on.

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Speaker 1: I so appreciate it. Did your mother call you Joe

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Speaker 1: or Joseph?

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Speaker 4: Ever?

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Speaker 2: If she got annoyed at you, she was it was Joseph.

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Speaker 4: It was always Joseph. And she would demand that people

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Speaker 4: call me Joseph. That that didn't work out, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: I was Joseph to her.

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Speaker 2: That's funny. Fond memories, right, sure.

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Speaker 1: What's the fondest earliest memory of when you and the

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Speaker 1: New Kids on the Block were first together. What's the

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Speaker 1: earliest memory you have?

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Speaker 4: You know, when something blows up the way it does,

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Speaker 4: you're going to have all the ingredients, you know, and

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Speaker 4: we did you know, we had certainly the right music

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Speaker 4: and the right songs eventually, but you know, the five

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Speaker 4: of us, you know, we just had a certain energy.

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Speaker 4: I think you had to do with coming from Boston

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Speaker 4: and having great working class parents, and you know, every

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Speaker 4: gig was the greatest thing ever. You know, we just

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Speaker 4: we were just so excited to have an opportunity to

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Speaker 4: get up on stage. And we'd perform almost anywhere back

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Speaker 4: in the day, So you know, that kind of excitement

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Speaker 4: is what you remember.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a recollection of the first time you

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Speaker 1: heard one of your songs on the radio and where

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Speaker 1: you were.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I was. I was in chefnut Hill, Fancy

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Speaker 4: chiffnut Hill, was driving with my dad in the car

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Speaker 4: and I was in the front seat. My brother was

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Speaker 4: in the backseat, and my brother was always you know,

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Speaker 4: he was very supportive, but he was a big brother.

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Speaker 4: So I asked my dad to change it to Wild,

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Speaker 4: which is the station in Boston and AM station, and

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Speaker 4: they were playing the record. He's like, they're not going

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Speaker 4: to play yet record, you know, And and sure enough

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Speaker 4: we switched it to the station and it came out

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Speaker 4: a commercial and the first song they played was a

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Speaker 4: song called Be My Girl, our first single ever and

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Speaker 4: it was special. So it was special to hear a song,

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Speaker 4: but also you know, be able to stick it in

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Speaker 4: your older brother's face at the same time.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Now, how did you hear handle such such early fame

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Speaker 4: Well, it goes back to family. It goes back to

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Speaker 4: having you know, four of the guys that experienced it

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Speaker 4: with you. You know, you couldn't get you know, going

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Speaker 4: back to you know, being from Boston. Well, you can't

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Speaker 4: get too big for your bridges. You know, You've got

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Speaker 4: to be lucky. You got to have family looking out

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Speaker 4: for you, you know, and we were able to do that.

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Speaker 4: I mean there were tough times. It's not normal being

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Speaker 4: you know, that famous and that big at such a

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Speaker 4: young age, and like any like, you know, you go

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Speaker 4: through your ups and downs and and we had those,

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Speaker 4: but we were able to hang in there.

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Speaker 1: Now, early Dorchester, certainly in the period that you grew up.

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Speaker 1: I know you grew up in Needham, but the early

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Speaker 1: Dorchester area actually was was chronicled in the author Dennis

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Speaker 1: Lane's new books Small Mercies. I think you know Dennis

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Speaker 1: from his great work, and he was on an earlier

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Speaker 1: version of this podcast. What was it like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you remember the whole era in terms of segregation

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Speaker 2: And did that you know bypass you.

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Speaker 4: I think Johnnie Wahlberg think talks very very eloquently and

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Speaker 4: about bussing and what what it. It's hard to think,

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Speaker 4: but you know, bussing there were good intentions with it.

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Speaker 4: Obviously you were on the top line is you know,

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Speaker 4: we could learn from each other and learn how to

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Speaker 4: to the table. And you know, I guess Darnie talks

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Speaker 4: about how you know, he benefited from that, you know,

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Speaker 4: about a different culture and and was was attracted to,

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Speaker 4: you know, something different and something new and that curiosity,

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Speaker 4: feed off each other. And you know I didn't have that.

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Speaker 4: I was I was a little bit younger than those guys,

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Speaker 4: so I was and plus I went to Catholic school,

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Speaker 4: so I didn't. I didn't have that busting thing.

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Speaker 1: They're very well stated. Thank you for talking about that.

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Speaker 1: So how have you balanced solo career, ban projects, acting?

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Speaker 2: How do you juggle it all? You know, day to day.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's you got to want to do it,

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Speaker 4: you know. You know, it's like I I think of

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Speaker 4: that line. It's like Jerry Jerry Seinfeld said, uh on

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Speaker 4: a podcast. You know, it's like the people that are

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Speaker 4: successful in this business are the people that keep doing it.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's not always the most talented, you know,

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Speaker 4: sure to those who have. You know, I know what

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Speaker 4: what I do and I'm and i'm and I'm good

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Speaker 4: do it. You've really got to. You know. I love

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Speaker 4: I you know, sometimes I love being home. Of course,

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Speaker 4: I got three great kids and and a beautiful wife.

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Speaker 4: But you know, the road is a very special thing,

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Speaker 4: you know, and and getting out there and connecting with

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Speaker 4: people and it's a grind, but once you get up

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Speaker 4: there every night, it's it's like nothing you could you

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Speaker 4: could really imagine.

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Speaker 1: Mister McIntyre, Thank you for being on taking a walk.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Our next guest is the great American rhythm and blues

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Speaker 1: soul singer was great. Career was a shining part of

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Speaker 1: the decade. Here's Aaron Neville on this Taking a Walk.

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Speaker 1: I loved the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Episode, Aaron, It's an honor to speak to you.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, same, Yeah, congratulations on the book, tell

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Speaker 1: it like it is. Tell me did you enjoy the

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Speaker 1: writing process for your book?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was great. But the death Adamman, who

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Speaker 5: had helped me do it, I thank you saying it

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Speaker 5: was Aaron. I wanted to be in your voice and

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Speaker 5: that's what we've done. And I'll tell you it was

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Speaker 5: a rollercoaster of emotions, you know, just going through the

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Speaker 5: stuff that I had lived.

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Speaker 2: Did you find it therapeutic?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, definitely, you know, and I you know, I

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Speaker 5: prayed the whole while I was doing it, you know,

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Speaker 5: and so forgiveness of whatever I've done wrong at different times,

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Speaker 2: Tell me about religion in your life.

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Speaker 5: Aaron, Well, I went to Catholic school in Saint Monica

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Speaker 5: and uh, the nuns, you know, like one of my

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Speaker 5: and you know, she followed out careers as she passed.

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Speaker 5: And uh, I learned a lot from them and from

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Speaker 5: my parents too, you know. But uh, being in Catholic

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Speaker 5: chack it listening to the choir singing the Ivy Maria,

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Speaker 5: I never knew the words. I just knew the refrain.

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Speaker 5: But always do something to my heart. I can't explain it,

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Speaker 5: you know. It was like like medicine, you know, And

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Speaker 5: that's what I've called my music after that, medicine for

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Speaker 5: other people. But uh, Ivy Maria was special until I

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Speaker 5: met Linda Ronstad And the first thing we got the

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Speaker 5: chance of singing together in the studio was the Ivan

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Speaker 5: and Maria. We did it in Harmony co produce for

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Speaker 5: George Matsenbury. My phrase pill the album on an mL

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Speaker 5: on your heart. It suggested that I do my Rea

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Speaker 5: and I recorded it in San Francisco at Grace Cathedral

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Speaker 5: with an Oh Boy choir, and I mean it came

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Speaker 2: I have chills just thinking about that.

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Speaker 5: A sil for me too, Really.

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Speaker 1: Aaron, the book is so transparent in terms of where

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Speaker 1: your life led you down some some paths of uh destruction.

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Speaker 1: When you when you sort of think about those lessons

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Speaker 1: like lessons of rehab as an example, what would you

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Speaker 5: Well, Uh, it's a it's a game you play and

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Speaker 5: and and especially with the the heron is like your phrase,

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Speaker 5: do it and make you think it likes you, but

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Speaker 5: it don't like you. You know, it's your your wife

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Speaker 5: enemy and drag you through hell and gasoline drugs, And

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Speaker 5: that's what it had done me.

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Speaker 5: Glad I got up to the other side. I'm glad

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Speaker 5: I wasn't mother the twenty seventh Club like Jimmy Hendricks

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Speaker 5: twenty seven years old. Well here I am still here.

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Speaker 1: What did doctor Drew Pinsky teach you when you consulted him?

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Speaker 5: He told you that the drugs what they were doing

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Speaker 5: til you're inside to the organs and all, you know,

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Speaker 5: one too many and the thousands not enough. I said, Wow,

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Speaker 5: I had to, you know, reach my waterloo whatever you

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Speaker 5: want to call it. You know, before I tell you all,

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Speaker 5: it's all in the book. I finally flew the dragon.

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Speaker 2: You know, now you have kind of quietly retired.

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Speaker 5: You know, I've done it since I was a teenager.

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Speaker 5: And the thing about me and Lindon, I said, talk

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Speaker 5: like she used to. She said, I don't want to

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Speaker 5: treat the people. And that's what I feel. You know,

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Speaker 5: I'm not, you know, twenty years old again. I'm eighty two,

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Speaker 5: and I don't want to go out there trying to

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Speaker 5: sound like I did then. And you know, and people

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Speaker 5: I have records that I made that are great. You know,

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Speaker 5: if you want to hear her and never, you know,

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Speaker 5: check out the records. I still call them records.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible anyone would ever coax you into a

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Speaker 5: Nah? I mean, I I got five Grammars out since

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Speaker 5: I retired. I got a Grammar some one of the

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Speaker 5: songs I did on the album Aparty or Stopping Grounds.

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Speaker 5: Who would have thought I was getting a fifth Grammy.

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Speaker 5: So I'm satisfied.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Back to Linda Ronstadt, do you recall the first time

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Speaker 1: you met her?

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Speaker 5: So du we are. It was nineteen eighty four in

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Speaker 5: Nelson Riddle at the Amphitheater and the Brothers were doing

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Speaker 5: so she came and he told me she was an audience.

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Speaker 2: I love you to death. I love you to death.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for all the music that you've given us.

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Speaker 1: And congratulations on the book. Tell it like it is,

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Speaker 1: Santana on this Taking a Walk. I love the nineties episode. Carlos,

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Speaker 1: It's an honor to have you on the Taking a

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Speaker 1: How did that collaboration come about?

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Speaker 7: So proud of August tenth, nineteen sixty nine, I was

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna speak with your adult. You don't need to

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Speaker 6: It don't scare me to heaven, you know, because I

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Speaker 8: You explain to somebody what it feels like when you're

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Speaker 1: Wondered man, Carlos, thank you so much for all you

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Speaker 1: continue to give us. Thanks for being on Taking a Walk,

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Speaker 1: good luck on the tour.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so man. I'm so grateful that we got

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Speaker 3: Stay precious, and thank you well.

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