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It's a podcast 27 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: called twenty five Whistles. 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: Whine Whin, I blow the whistle. So I'll start with this. 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: Eddie has broken arm, which we've talked about. He gets 30 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: sadder as the show goes because we're, ok, yeah, we're 31 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: basically afternoon now, and Eddie's starting to get kind of 32 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: saddened down. And I heard someone say what's up, and 33 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: he goes, my percocet's wearing off. 34 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, the pain pills is starting to come down, man, 35 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 3: and it hurts. It's it's like, uh, like all morning 36 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: it feels, you know, like like something's not right, but 37 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: it doesn't hurt. And then when it starts wearing down, 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: like you start feeling a little pulsating around. 39 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: My throbbing in the arm. 40 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: Then you realize, like, man, it's time for another dose. 41 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: Do you have the doses with you? 42 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: I'm down, they're at home. 43 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: Are you driving yourself? In? No, I got I got driving. 44 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: What's the mainly mainly because I drive a stick. 45 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: Because you're on percocet. 46 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: No, If that's the case, I would just skip out 47 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 3: and then take it while I'm here and then it. 48 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: How many can you take a day? Every six hours? 49 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: Do you look forward to that? Yeah? 50 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is the stuff that people get 51 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: like hooked on, right for sure. I mean, but it 52 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: doesn't make me feel like, yeah, I want to party. 53 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 3: It makes me feel like I just want to go 54 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 3: to bed and like just chill. 55 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: But I just chill. Is a feeling that people chase. 56 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: That's smoking weed, right. I never smoke weed, but I'm 57 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: assuming you smoke weed. You're just like, hey, i's want 58 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: a chill. I don't think it makes you want to party. 59 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 3: But then afterwards you feel all groggy and moody. 60 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: I had to take percocet dry sockets in my mouth 61 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: once ihead. My boys don't be taken out miserable, like 62 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: three months of just his torture, and I had to 63 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: take per except for that. And I liked him so 64 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: much that it's at one point I dumped it on 65 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: the toilet because I liked him so much. I feel 66 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: that did that was Yeah, it was Breed calling to 67 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: cancel his draft kings. He was winning so much. It's responsible, Yeah, exactly, 68 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: irresponsible gambler. Well, we're rooting for you, buddy. 69 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 3: But then did you also hear read like, hey, you 70 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 3: got any extras? 71 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: I did not want to come on. I did not 72 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: hear him to say that. A couple of things. As 73 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: we start the show, I'm seeing more and more rumors 74 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: about the NFL taking the fourth or the on side 75 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: kick and making it basically a fourth and twenty. We 76 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: saw the onside kick last week too. I think that's 77 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: a great idea, Like you want the ball back convert 78 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: a fourth and twenty. At least there is an opportunity there. 79 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: They said, they said. 80 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: It was what a good opportunity. 81 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: I would say good. I would say more than five percent, 82 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: but I wouldn't say one and four. I say, les, 83 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: there's twenty five percent. 84 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: Because like, what's the percentage on an on side kick 85 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 3: the way it is now? 86 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: So they said five percent this season, that's nothing and 87 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: I felt like that was hot. 88 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 4: I was going to say that seems. 89 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was because I never see them recover. I'm 90 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: sure they do in games that I missed, but if 91 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: you see an on its like kick recovery, that's amazing. 92 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: I was like a Dodo bird, like a rare Dodo 93 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: you see running down the road. I like that. And 94 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: I think that's an XFL ish type rule. And the 95 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: kickoff rule that they had changed this year, it has 96 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: changed me in no way whatsoever. I don't hate it. 97 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: I don't love it. It's how I felt about the 98 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: kickoff and they can on lyast say, look, we're doing 99 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: things to keep people from getting concussions. Right, it's not 100 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: a stupid rule they've put in, but also it's not 101 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: made the game like way more fun. But I think 102 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: the benefit of that kickoff rule is the NFL can 103 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: go look at what we're doing to prevent forest fires 104 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: and concussions. 105 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: Smoky. 106 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: Yes. 107 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 3: And the fourth and twenty is where where you would 108 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: normally kick the ball off. 109 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter because I don't know that you get 110 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: the ball at that spot, so I don't know. The 111 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: role is not there. It very very well could be. 112 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: But my point is, I don't know that it's that 113 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: spot because if you throw a touchdown or you get 114 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: to the five yard line, you get to keep it 115 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: at the five. Probably not they got to tweak that. 116 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: I would think that it just goes back to some 117 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: normal midfield fish type line because that's where an onside 118 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: kick would be recovered. Yeah, so that's the first thing 119 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: I read. I think that would be a great move. 120 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: So second thing, the Cowboys coach maybe shot in hybrid. 121 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: Dude, I know what's stupid? 122 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: Really? 123 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: I saw that too, and I'm like, it's not sexy. 124 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: It's not exciting. 125 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 1: Sexy's not always exciting, and it's sexy's not always great sexy. 126 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 3: I don't know why it's that sexy, but you know 127 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: what I mean, it's not very like Dion, Like I 128 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 3: guess that would be considered sexy because it's out like 129 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: a pick. That'd be like, whoa, what are you serious? 130 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: Dion prime time is gonna be the coach of the 131 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys, but Shottenheimer and Brian is that name? 132 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's the now he's the OC now. 133 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: But he didn't even call plays. 134 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: That part's kind of weird. 135 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 3: McCarthy called all the plays by waffle house menu. 136 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: And I would think that it would be weird, weird 137 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 1: that the OC that gets the head coaching job wasn't 138 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: the play caller, except for that McCarthy is a really 139 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: great play caller, like that's what he's known for. And also, 140 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: if you're the OC under somebody who's really great at 141 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: what they do, I'm sure that you're picking up some 142 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: stuff too, Not that he needed it, but if they 143 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: came today and they may say this, we record this 144 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: at Thursday afternoon and then it loads at midnight on Friday, 145 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: but let's say tonight or Friday. Schottenheimer's a coach. Your thoughts. 146 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: In other waste of season? 147 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: I don't think. 148 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: I don't think Brian. I mean, Brian's already been there, right, 149 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: So I don't think it's going to change anything. I 150 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: don't think you're going to be looking at a whole 151 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: different Dallas Cowboys team. I think it's just going to 152 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: remain the same thing. We're just going to kill another 153 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 3: year of football. And and I don't like it. 154 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: Would be more than a season though, mean, if he's 155 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: the head coach. 156 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 3: Four yeah, okay, four seasons lost, that's a whole presidential term. 157 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 3: It is, what do you think? 158 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: I think when things are really I'll use your word 159 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: sexy and exciting, Usually that's just short term fun and 160 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: not long term greatness. So I'm not saying that Brian 161 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: Schottenheimer is the answer. But sometimes those hires where you're 162 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,679 Speaker 1: like who what when? Like it's really smart people making 163 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: those decisions. I'm not. Maybe Jerry's allowing other people to 164 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: come in and help him with this. I don't hate 165 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: it because it's so take your lunch pail to work. Yeah, 166 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: decision that A lot of times those work out. I 167 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: don't see this being a disaster. If he's the coach, 168 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: I think the floor is higher, But I don't know 169 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: where the ceiling is with him at all. 170 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 3: I just feel like if Brian was the dude, they 171 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 3: would have made him the OC and he would have 172 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: had FaceTime. I mean, I forgot that Brian Schottenheimer was 173 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 3: the OC. Honestly, I forgot to look like I just 174 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 3: looked them up. 175 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: I think again, if it's almost any coach other than 176 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: than McCartney, he's calling plays, So I wouldn't take that 177 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: as man. He must not be that good because you 178 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: had one of the greatest play callers offensive NFL minds 179 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: calling plays. So listen, if I were a Cowboys fan, 180 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: I would want something exciting and. 181 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, even like when you said Cliff Kingsbury, that's cool, 182 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: that would be that's kind of sexy. It's pretty sexy. 183 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: And he's kind of sexy. Okay, like the ladies like him. 184 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: If for sexy, Oh yeah, I know somebody who looked 185 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 3: up with him for a while. 186 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: I can't tell you. I can't tell you that's a 187 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: bond dude, and I can't. I can't. I can't tell 188 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: you it's been a while. It's been a while, so nothing. 189 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: I don't know what his personal life has now been, 190 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: Mary with kids, don't have spent a long time. I 191 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: can tell you out there so Sexydon one very sexy, 192 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: Cliff two. Cliff two is very sexy. Who's the three? 193 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 3: I mean not in the traditional sexy way, but I 194 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: think the third sexiest coach for the Dallas Cowboys could 195 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 3: be Riverboat Ron. 196 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: No, I don't think he's sexy. I think he is 197 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: somebody you bring in to plug a hole, to create 198 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: some stability. 199 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 3: Have they talked to Romo about what coming back? 200 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: Because that'd be awesome. 201 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if they've talked to. 202 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: That's sexy. 203 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: We've talked about three. He's still coaching right now. I 204 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: feel like he'd be on your list. He's still coaching 205 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: right now, offensive coordinator Moore. Who would you rather have, 206 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: Kellen Moore or Brian Cornelia Schottenheimer. Yeah, that's legit. 207 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 3: I guess I'd have Kellen Moore. I feel like I 208 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 3: know more of his work. 209 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: But I think that's why, And that's the answer, right, 210 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: That's why you want him because you know more about him. 211 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that you know or you feel like 212 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: he's actually better based on so Yeah, it's a lunch. 213 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 3: Pal higher if he does what a mess? 214 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: Uh so? Brian Schottenheimer, Oh, see for the Seahawks, the Jets, 215 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: the Rams, University of Georgia. Was an assistant coach with 216 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: the Redskins, Chargers, Colts, and Jaguars. His dad is fifty 217 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: one years old. 218 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 3: Marty Marty. Yeah, Marty was the coach of Franco where 219 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: the San Diego Chargers. 220 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 4: Oh Chargers, they always like fell short every season. Yeah 221 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 4: that's good. 222 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: That's kind of where Chargering came from. 223 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really good. 224 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: Well, good luck to you, my friend. 225 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you man. We'll wait and see hopefully if 226 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: some of those sexies come in. 227 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: I hope people watch a little bit of Cheaps of 228 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: Holly because it's interesting and the chiefs are still in 229 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: it and it's the guy that robbed the banks. What 230 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: about the Aaron Rodgers documentary? 231 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that keeps popping up like every time, you know, 232 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: like you hover over the thumbnail and then they so 233 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: they showed a little clip or whatever, and I watched 234 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: it today and look at my wife, I'm like, should 235 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: we watch this? And she was like, that's kind of 236 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: interesting because she knows Jordan Rodgers and she knows him 237 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 3: she I mean from The Bachelor. 238 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: Okay, well that's knows of Jordan Rodgers. 239 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 240 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: No, my wife doesn't know Jordan Rodgers. 241 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: Well that's how you said it. 242 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, also, like just kind of the whole 243 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 3: story of them being, you know, having family fights or whatever, 244 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: him not getting along with the family. So we thought 245 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 3: about it, but I can't. I can't pull the trigger 246 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 3: on it. I don't know if I can take what 247 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: is it, two hours of Aaron Rodgers. 248 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, same, That's why I can't. I don't like Aaron 249 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: Rodgers and by the way, I used to like Aaron 250 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: Rodgers a lot. I think when we started this podcast 251 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: this season, I was like, well, it's going, but it's 252 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: He's sufferable. 253 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: So does anyone. 254 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 5: Wants I started it and I got timon and it's 255 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 5: just boring. 256 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: You quit Chiefs of Hollic though, and you. 257 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, because I hate the Chiefs too. But I don't 258 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 5: hate Aaron Rodgers' starting this again. We're starting this again. 259 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 5: I don't hate Aaron Rodgers, but it's just it was 260 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 5: just boring. I don't know, it's just him being Aaron Rodgers. 261 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 4: I might like a little bit. Yeah, you know, I 262 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 4: kind of pitied him a little bit. 263 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: It's like a lost forty year old guy that's just 264 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 3: like taking ayahuasca and trying to find the meaning of life. 265 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 4: And my pity hall out of it. 266 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: That guy. 267 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had pity for Chiefs of hal like, and 268 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: he was robbing banks. I don't I don't have any 269 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: pity for Aaron Rodgers. 270 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 5: No, I don't have any pity. 271 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: Uh So, No, I don't think I'm going to watch it. 272 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: It's one of those documentaries that I just I didn't 273 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: know I was gonna watch Cheaps Hawk I didn't know 274 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: I was going to watch the Death of Steve McNair. 275 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 3: Oh, I still need to watch that. 276 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 4: That one was good. 277 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: That was good, and it's only an hour. 278 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 3: What about receivers? Have you watched that? 279 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: I didn't much. Quarterbacks was fine. It was a little 280 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: too corny for me, and it was fine, and I 281 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm glad I watched it, but it wasn't good enough 282 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: that I wanted to watch. Like It's brother receivers. 283 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 5: You're like, all right, I get it, And unless you're 284 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 5: like a diehard fan of one of those teams are quarterbacks, 285 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 5: you don't really care. 286 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: The only thing that I got out of Quarterbacks was 287 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: that I liked a certain player, and the rest were 288 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: just kind of like, okay, fine, I kind of already 289 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: thought that. Then that player I liked was who do 290 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: we all like more? From its cousins? 291 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: For sure? 292 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, I forgot who was even on it and how 293 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 6: his wife dresses him like he was the guy that 294 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 6: I was like, okay, kind of like her cousins. I 295 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 6: think that makes me root for him now. But the rest, 296 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 6: but Mariota was. 297 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: On it, but he didn't really get to do much. 298 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, got benched or whatever. 299 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, but no, I didn't watch receivers. Have you 300 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: watched right tackles? 301 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: No, but I didn't watch kickers. 302 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: That's on food punters, Oh yeah, punters, special teamers, it's 303 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: on booth or No, I didn't. Yeah, there is too. 304 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: Like I saw a TikTok of like Lamar Jackson talking 305 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: to Mark Andrews and I'm like, what's this from? And 306 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: apparently there's a Hard Knocks in season. 307 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, on the the entire division and norse right, I 308 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 5: knew that. 309 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't watch it and I didn't remember it, 310 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: but we did talk about the entire division. 311 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 5: M I don't because I think it's on HBO or 312 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 5: whatever something, whatever it is, I. 313 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: Don't have it probably yeah, Max, Yeah, Max. 314 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's that's such a quick turnaround. 315 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 5: It's like a week to week thing. 316 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you never seen hard Knocks? I have, even 317 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: like training camp. 318 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 3: It's a week out and I get it, but I 319 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 3: mean hard that's the only Hard Knocks. I watched the 320 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 3: preseason one. Yeah, but I didn't forgot that there was 321 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 3: an end season and they're literally talking about what happened 322 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: two days ago. 323 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: I hear you. And the nd season is different because 324 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: it isn't, but it's the same time. Difference is the camp. 325 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 3: No, I get it. And even with the camps, I 326 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: was like, gosh, that's a quick turnaround for such a 327 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: high quality show like that. It's pretty impressive. 328 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: Now that I agree with. 329 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 3: It's like read we're video dudes, like how quick are 330 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: they turning that around? 331 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 4: Yeah? 332 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 6: I don't, dude, I don't even understand how they eat 333 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 6: or sleep or anything like that. 334 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: What are you talking about now? What I mean? I 335 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: didn't know who was talking about. Yeah, it's pretty impressive, players, coaches, everybody. 336 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 5: I wonder how big their staff is though they're editing staff, 337 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 5: producing stuff. 338 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: And they're noting it on the fly. They know and 339 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: they also know what they're looking for on the fly. 340 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: It's different than a reality show where they have people 341 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: do stuf. But if they're they want to focus on 342 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: certain players, they'll go and they're looking for something that 343 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: they can plug into spots and like we got it, 344 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: Lamar did this. This is going to go Like they're 345 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: having to plan it as they go, which is pretty cool. 346 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: It is why it can be turned over so quick. Yeah, 347 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: but you're right, it's quick. I just it felt like 348 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: a shot to you that was looking a week and 349 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: I was like, that's every it's just a different part 350 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: of the year. 351 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: I just forgot that there was an end season hard 352 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 3: knocks because if it's not before the season starts, iron't 353 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: watching it. 354 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: So are we building a parlay? 355 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 4: Mike, No, I don't have to see. 356 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. No, here's the thing. I'm I suck 357 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: at parlays, and I'm happy to do one. 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Then ye 368 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: and a half they had to kick that field goal. 369 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: So I feel pretty good about just going like, here's 370 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: one or two. But I think when I like stack three, 371 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: that's tough. Yeah, so other people are great at it. 372 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: For me, then I'm just like not even for sure 373 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: about a third one. I'm not for sure about anything. 374 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm not even for sure about a third one, but 375 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, let me just throw one in. And that's 376 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: usually what sinks the boat, you know. But okay, I 377 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: like betting on touchdowns. 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I'm going to set 411 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: him up here. Five time NFL Executive of the Year, 412 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: three times Super Bowl champion, Scott Pioli. Kevin loves him too, 413 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: different reasons. 414 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 3: Oh of course, yes, he was glowing while you were 415 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 3: talking to he was like nodding along with him. 416 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: A Patriots guy, Scott a major part and building the 417 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: Patriots in early two thousands. Then he became the GM 418 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: of the Chiefs in two thousand and nine. Work for 419 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: the Falcons. He does work with the NFL. Now catch 420 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: him on the NFL network as an analyst as well, 421 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: and we'll put his social media up in our notes 422 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: as well if you want to follow him here. He 423 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: is Scott Pioli, my favorite executive of all time and 424 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: even my company, my favorite executive is Scott Pioli. I'm 425 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: telling you, I'm no, you know it's true. I love 426 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: Scott Pioli for many reasons, and so to have you 427 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: on to ask you these questions, I am so excited 428 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: about it. So thank you for spending a little bit 429 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: of time with us. 430 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: No, thank you, and thanks for having me. I tell you, 431 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: when Eric reached out, I was really excited. So thank 432 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 2: you very very much for having me back. It's no 433 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: thank you, appreciate you. 434 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: Nitty gritty time, What is it like to interview a 435 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: coach that you kind of already know what they're about, 436 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: Like what happens in that room, Scott that you don't 437 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: know that you need to figure out, you. 438 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: Know, it depends really on how well you know them, 439 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: not just as a football person, not just as a 440 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: team builder and coach, but as a person. So you know, 441 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 2: there are a couple of different situations in terms of 442 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 2: interview circumstances I've been involved with. And when you know someone, 443 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: it's a little bit easier, right, But it's easier for you, 444 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: but maybe sometimes tougher for them because because you know them, 445 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 2: they don't know where it's going to go. Because when 446 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: you're sitting in there, you're sitting in with an owner, 447 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 2: You're sitting in with other people that are going to 448 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 2: help you make the decision, because it's never just one 449 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,719 Speaker 2: person makes a decision, so it's and you don't I 450 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: was never in a situation where I would want to 451 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 2: give that person the answer to the questions, if that 452 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 2: makes sense. So the most important thing you have to 453 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: be careful is if you know someone that you don't 454 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: miss important topics and questions that need to be asked 455 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: that you're going to be asking for other candidates, if 456 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: that makes sense. 457 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: How much of an interview is culture, how much is 458 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: scheme and is it different regarding who the person is. 459 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: That's a fascinating question, Bobby, because to me, the least 460 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: amount of time should be spent on scheme, because most 461 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: people that has sent to a position of having an 462 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: opportunity to be a head coach, they've got a scheme. 463 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: They've done something in their former job, whether usually a coordinator, 464 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 2: you know, where they know the scheme, They have their scheme. 465 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 2: And the truth is this, I think that there's you know, 466 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: I coached for four years before I became an evaluator 467 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: and a scout and then a front office person, and 468 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: I played all of my life up until that, so 469 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: I knew the game. But I also know that coaches 470 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: know the game on a different level than and many 471 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: of us that are in other areas. And I say 472 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: this because I think that there's a lot of people 473 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: that get into those situations, those circumstances where they know 474 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: a little bit and they think that they know more 475 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: than they do. So asking a coach about scheme too 476 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: many questions. You can ask generic questions but you don't 477 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 2: want to dive deep into it. Most of the time 478 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: is more spent on culture. I think it's spent on 479 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: relationships because the most important part of the scheme that 480 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: you have to understand is the base elements, so you 481 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: can go out and find players and regardless of the 482 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 2: regardless of the power structure and the hierarchy and that 483 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: stuff doesn't matter because the moment that the head coach 484 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 2: is hired. I'm a firm believer that the general manager, 485 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 2: vice president, player, person on, whatever that person is, they 486 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: automatically become a servant to the coach to go and 487 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 2: find the players that fit their scheme and fit their personality, 488 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: not people that are the same personality, but are actually 489 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: that are personality types that can follow the type of 490 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: leadership that comes in. I give you great example is 491 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 2: when I was the assistant general manager working under Thomas 492 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 2: de Mitchef, our general manager at the Falcons. The players 493 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: that dan Quinn was looking for schematically were not only different, 494 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 2: but they were different personality makeup type players that were 495 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: for dan Quinn versus Bill Belichick, for instance. 496 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: Are there times where and it's interesting you brought that up, 497 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: because that was what I was curious about. Are there 498 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: times where guys come in and you know who your 499 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: personnel is. I mean, Kayla Williams would be an example. Now, 500 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: whenever Ben Johnson's coming, whomever it's going to be, you 501 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: know that's the quarterback. So you're looking for a coach 502 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: that is going to be able to utilize the personnel 503 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: that you have, versus there could be a coach that's 504 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: going to come in and just go We're going to 505 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: start over, start from scratch. 506 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: Like. 507 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: Both of those are options when talking to certain coaches. 508 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they are both options, And I think that's 509 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: where you have to leave your personal ego at the door, 510 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: because if you go to you plan on entering these 511 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 2: head coaching relationships for the long term, and if you 512 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: try to fit your head coach into a certain scheme 513 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: or certain specifications of what your old staff was, that's 514 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 2: not fair to the person that you're trying to hire. 515 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 2: And really what you have to do is go out 516 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: and hire the best person available, the best coach, the 517 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: best teacher, the person who's best at player development. And 518 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: some of the best players can play regardless of the 519 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 2: scheme they can play. But the thing is, really good 520 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: coaches can take players and accentuate the positive and limit 521 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 2: the limitations, because every player has limitations, so sometimes it 522 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: really needs to be a combination of those two things. 523 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: And you can't get rid of good players that are 524 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: hard workers just because you have to find a way 525 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: to meld those two things together but not be stuck in. 526 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: I think you may be setting a relationship up for 527 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 2: a problem. These are the guys that i'd after before, 528 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 2: these are the guys that I brought in. So I've 529 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: got to find coach X that has these little these 530 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: certain things and force your program to go in a 531 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: situation that you think is best because it makes your 532 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: life more comfortable than doing what's best for the organization. 533 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: I think what would be difficult too, but also like 534 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: a put a ribbon on the Lions because they were 535 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: so good that both coordinators going and take head coaching jobs. Right, 536 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: you got DC going to the Jets, I'll see going 537 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: to the Bears. They both have their own teams now, 538 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: but now you're a head coach, and also you have 539 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: all the executives there and you're trying to find an 540 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator at the same time. 541 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: That seems like that would be tough. 542 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, attrition is one of the pitfalls of 543 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 2: great success, you know, and when you have success, there 544 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: will be attrition, natural attrition, But it's both a blessing 545 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: and a curse. Right when those people are leaving, that 546 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 2: means you've done something well. But here's what's important I 547 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: think is is Dan Campbell has a really strong reputation 548 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 2: and people want to work with and for Dan. But 549 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: whether they have great alignment. I believe in that organization 550 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: is Brad Holmes, their general manager, and some of the 551 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: people that are helping. You know, Shila does an amazing 552 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: job of letting people do their job. She doesn't act 553 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: like she knows things that she doesn't know, but she 554 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 2: does have an important amount of intelligence and leadership ability. 555 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 2: And then you look through the rest of the organization. 556 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: There's folks like Mike Disney. There's folks like you know, 557 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,239 Speaker 2: Chris Bielman who are important and very agnew. They have 558 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 2: a lot of really good people in an organization. And 559 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 2: Brad Holmes, who is the leader as the general manager 560 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: and the personnel side, He and Dan are completely aligned 561 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: on the types of players that they want to bring 562 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: in and that they're trying to bring into their program, 563 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: so that is going to make the talent acquisition. I 564 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: always talk about things in terms of you know, people 565 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 2: always focus so much on player evaluation and player acquisition. 566 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 2: Really it's about talent because if you're building something that's 567 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: going to that's going to last, and you're thinking about 568 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: your entire football operation, you're thinking about talent in terms 569 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 2: of coaches, your football operations, people, your support staff. So 570 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: that idea of talent identification, talent acquisition, and talent development 571 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: and retention. Brad and Dan are aligned. So my guess 572 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 2: is that, yeah, it's going to be a hit, but 573 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: they've got some people that are looking to work there 574 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 2: and or that they can elevate from within. 575 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: I wear a bunch of hats if it's radio or 576 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: TV or podcasting or books or whatever. I have to 577 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: hire people all the time for all different jobs. And 578 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: I was explaining to the guys, and it started with 579 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: the Rooney rule of how important I think it is 580 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: even if you don't hire someone to get a lot 581 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: of people in the room, because it's not even about 582 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: that moment right there. It's about a relationship maybe begins 583 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: and you learn about them and their maturation as a 584 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: coach or an employee. In my world, they're not there yet, 585 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: but man, they're on a trajectory too, and you kind 586 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: of follow along and it builds for later. And I've 587 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: hired so many people a year after an interview for 588 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: a different job two years after. So will you talk 589 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: about that in terms of what you do when you 590 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: interview coaches that probably aren't going to get the job. 591 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: Well, I love this, but it's not just head coaches, right, 592 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: it's assistant coaches. Not that you know I ever hired 593 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: assistant coaches, but I was around in a part of that. 594 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: And Bobby, I love that you're bringing this up, because really, 595 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: what's happening in the football world. It's the same in 596 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 2: your industry, right. You want to get the right people 597 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: that have talent, but they have more than just you know, 598 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 2: we always talk about height, weight, speed, but talent comes 599 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: in different packages. And you talk about the Rooney rule, 600 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 2: and I just want to touch on this. The importance 601 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: and the value of diversity is so critical because people 602 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: sometimes get so myopic when they hear the idea of 603 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 2: diversity or the Rooney rule, and they see this as 604 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 2: something that is just colored. They literally see it as 605 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 2: black and white. But the purpose and the reason for 606 00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 2: diversity and bringing in diversity and diverse hiring is not 607 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: just in addition to what it looks like. People come 608 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 2: from different backgrounds and different cultures. They bring with them 609 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: different thoughts ideas, and we all have this thing called 610 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 2: implicit bias, right, And they're bringing these ideas and these thoughts. 611 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 2: What you're looking for is diversity of thought, diversity of action. 612 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: And when you spend time with people in these interviews, 613 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 2: sometimes the timing isn't right for whatever reason. Sometimes you 614 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 2: don't have the appropriate job for a person. But I 615 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: can tell you for sure, you know, I think about 616 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 2: someone like Monty Austin, for right, who's now the GM 617 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 2: of the Cardinals. Monty came in, I interviewed him, we 618 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: didn't hire him immediately. The next year went back to him, 619 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: and this was for a scouting assistant position. And then 620 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: Monty came to us. He worked for us, and then 621 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: he left, but then he came back. Because the circumstances 622 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 2: and the situation, there has to be this marriage of 623 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 2: circumstances being right. I always talk about player development and 624 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: quarterback development being circumstantial. Right. It takes a village, and 625 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: there's often been very talented quarterbacks to come into this 626 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: league that are brought into the wrong circumstance of development. 627 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: Whether it's the head coach, whether it's the staff, whether 628 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 2: it's the culture, whether it's the talent around that person, 629 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: they don't get the chance to develop. And I know it. 630 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: This is related to the exact question that you were asking, 631 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: is making sure that you're bringing people in under the 632 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: right set of circumstances so you can develop them. 633 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: One of my friends we now work together for NFL. 634 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: They hired us together, but is Matt Castle. And was 635 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: talking to Matt literally yesterday. He was at the house 636 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: and so at super cool. NFL hired us. We do 637 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: a show together. And first of all, it's annoying because 638 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: he's like tall and good looking and like every it's all, 639 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: he got all the traits. But he was talking. I 640 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,719 Speaker 1: asked him, I said, who on your headstone, like, who 641 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: would be your team? Because he had the Patriots, he 642 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: had the Chiefs, and then he had a couple bounds 643 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: rounds and he said it would be the Patriots because 644 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: here's the guy and he said this that never started 645 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: in college and was drafted and was kept around by 646 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: an organization and then given a chance, and that chance 647 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: he won eleven games that year and was able to go, 648 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: yeah to go, and you end up trading to Kansas 649 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: City because there was value there and you had your 650 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: quarterback back. So what would you say about Matt cast 651 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: what did you see in him? Because again not just 652 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: about Matt, but why a quarterback that's never played where? 653 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: What did you identify within him? 654 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 2: I love this question and I love this person. First 655 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 2: of all, Matt. I adore Matt and his family, right 656 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: and you know, so here's the thing. We had a 657 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: scout out there who I was. I was out at USC, 658 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: and he said, you know, and they had had during 659 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: Matt's time there, they had back to back Heisman Trophy winners, 660 00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: two quarterbacks. They was a liner and Reggie Bush Palmer quarterback, 661 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 2: I mean starting out ahead of him. There was this 662 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: guy that that that Matt Russell, who was our West 663 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: area scout, had brought him up. He mentioned him, and 664 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 2: then another scout mentioned to just just brought him up 665 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 2: while they got so much talent there. And here's the 666 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: thing about programs like that, USC at that point in time, 667 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: had backups who could play in the NFL and should 668 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 2: have been drafted. I mean, heck, you know, Clay Matthews 669 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: the third didn't. He sat the bench for four years, 670 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 2: didn't play until his senior year. But I remember being 671 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 2: there at practice and I was watching the quarterbacks throw 672 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 2: and I'm watching this guy Castle, who was a CEO. 673 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 2: I was like, this guy's interesting. He had the prototype body, 674 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 2: looked good and you know in terms of quarterback which 675 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 2: were looked for through the ball well, and he had 676 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: this really good energy about him. Then as practice starts, 677 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: this guy's wearing like one of those pullover pennies on 678 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: the kickoff coverage scout team. He's doing anything and everything. 679 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,239 Speaker 2: And then at their pro day he threw. And we're like, 680 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 2: we're firm believers in player development and the value of 681 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: drafting a quarterback, trying to draft a quarterback every year 682 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: to bring in and develop because you never know what 683 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 2: you're going to be able to develop end or find. 684 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 2: In matt we found a guy who was smart, who 685 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 2: was dedicated, who loved the game, willing to do anything 686 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: and everything, and we said, well, you know, I at worst, 687 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 2: this guy might be able to be a really good 688 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: backup quarterback. That's what we thought of him coming out. 689 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: Draft him in the seventh round, and you're right, he 690 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 2: becomes a starter. When Brady gets hurt, he helps us 691 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 2: to win eleven games and traded for him and people. 692 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: I think Matt ended up doing fourteen or fifteen years 693 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: in the league. And when he was in Kansas City, 694 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: when Charlie Weis was our coordinator that year, Matt threw 695 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 2: for twenty seven touchdowns and only seven interceptions, went to 696 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl, and we won the division. Matt was 697 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 2: also Here's why I say Matt's really smart. Matt was 698 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: acutely aware of what he do and what he couldn't do. 699 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: He trusted the coaches around him in the right when 700 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: he was at his best. He trusted the coaches around 701 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 2: him to put him in a position to succeed and 702 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: not fail. And I know that sounds so basic and generic, 703 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 2: but coaches players aren't always put in a position in 704 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: order for them to succeed. And when Matt was put 705 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: in that position, he had a great deal of success. 706 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 1: So I know Matt's going to hear this, and I 707 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: hope he's gonna whatever he's gonna hear it, I'm gonna 708 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: compliment him and it's annoying because MAT's my friend and 709 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: it's weird to compliment your friends openly and outwardly. Whenever 710 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: we started to work together, and I'm wondering, if this 711 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: is a trait with successful quarterbacks? Is where I'm getting 712 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: Matt was like, Hey, I want to get good at this, 713 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, cool. Everybody says they want to 714 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: get good at everything. It's easy to say you want 715 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: to get good at something. It's hard to actually put 716 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: in the work and take the critique or the criticism 717 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: that leads to positivity afterward because some people don't have 718 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: the stomach or the skin for it. And so you know, 719 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: I will evaluate, I will go and I did all 720 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: this work on game tape. I call it like our shows. 721 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: I evaluate everything I was doing, Matt was doing. I 722 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: was like, here's how we're gonna grow. 723 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 4: Here's what we did. 724 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: And I sent him this whole report and he afterward 725 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: we had finished working and we're just walking and talking 726 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: and he was like, man, I appreciate that so much. 727 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: I read this, I'm gonna do that, and I'm going, man, this, 728 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: if this is like the successful quarterback way of working, 729 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: I need to have more successful quarterback friends because he 730 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: just wanted to learn. He took what it wasn't criticism. 731 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: It could it could have been taken as a but 732 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: it was what I saw as tools for growth. And 733 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: like within like twelve hours, he was doing everything that 734 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: was written there for him. 735 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 2: And so Bobby, I'm we could talk about this for hours. 736 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 2: You are nailing. It's going back to what I was 737 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: talking about, making sure that you have the right people 738 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 2: and in this situation, the circumstance and the culture you're 739 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: going to develop them. At the New England Patriots, we 740 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: knew what we were right. We were. It was uncomfortable, 741 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 2: it was emotionally draining at times. It was a lot. 742 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 2: We were a lot, and we understood that there was 743 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 2: a certain type of makeup and mentality and emotional and 744 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 2: mental endurance that was necessary. We knew Matt had that, 745 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: and we intentionally looked out for players. Again, we looked 746 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,399 Speaker 2: for prototypical skills, tools, all of that stuff, but there 747 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: was a certain type of makeup that was required, and 748 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 2: you are nailing it. When you talk to Matt, you 749 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 2: sent him that it's it's not You're right, he's not 750 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: thin skinned. And because you can't survive never mind survive. 751 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 2: But you can't develop and survive in that program the 752 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 2: way it is wrong or right, fair, unfair, that's what 753 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 2: the program is. We had to find certain people. I 754 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 2: love that you're telling that story because that was one 755 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 2: of the things about Matt. There were times where it 756 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 2: could get too rough, and I saw that happen to 757 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 2: him at times where you know, that's a very fine 758 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 2: line between critique and criticism and over the top criticism. 759 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: And there were times, you know, over his career at 760 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 2: different teams, I saw it. You know, it got too 761 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 2: much at times and he would pull back, but he 762 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 2: received that, and you're telling that story about him. Those 763 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 2: are the type of people that you look for because 764 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone hires someone You're not bringing him 765 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: on as a partner to make his life uncomfortable or unhappy, right. 766 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 2: You want to succeed together, So when you're giving him feedback, 767 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 2: you're really doing it not just for him, but for 768 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 2: the greater good. 769 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wondered, is that a trait of the 770 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: most successful I won't even say quarterbacks, but NFL players? 771 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 2: Hmm, wow, some of the most successful that I've been around, 772 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 2: you know, And again at the Patriots. At the Chiefs, 773 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 2: those were the type of personalities and and the makeup 774 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 2: that we had to hone in on. You know, again, 775 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 2: under Dan Quinn was there was a different style equally 776 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 2: as effective. Dan's a great coach, and I love Dan. 777 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,959 Speaker 2: Dan approaches things and his staff approach things a little 778 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 2: bit differently, so we didn't have to focus on that 779 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 2: as much. Now I'll say this though, they had to 780 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 2: be equally as tough and equally as smart as what 781 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,280 Speaker 2: we looked for at the Patriots, that's for sure. 782 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 1: Players coach versus a non players coach. Is that even 783 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: a thing anymore? 784 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 2: I honestly never understood the players coach thing, right because 785 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 2: you asked different people. It means different things. Back in 786 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: the day when I used to hear people say a 787 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 2: player's coach, those players were the type of people who 788 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 2: were who didn't want to be held accountable. Right, it was. 789 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 2: But I think it has a different I think it 790 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 2: has a different definition now and I think it's just 791 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 2: they're looking for someone to be more relatable and more Again, 792 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 2: what the word is is deemed to be respectful, not 793 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 2: that it wasn't respectful in the past, but I think 794 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 2: I always have to figure out. When I hear someone 795 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 2: say they like a player's coach again, is that someone 796 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 2: who's saying they're being respectful or they're not holding me accountable. 797 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: How do you feel about assistance interviewing while they're still 798 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: in the playoffs? 799 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 2: It's you know, I think it's a bad thing. And 800 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 2: and and here's what I'll say is it's the blessing 801 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 2: and the curse because at the years of the Patriots, 802 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 2: we were constantly getting requests for coaches to be interviewed. 803 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 2: Same thing when when you know, when we were at 804 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 2: the Falcons looking for DQ, DQ was in the you know, 805 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 2: we couldn't talk to him until afterwards, but because he 806 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 2: was with Seattle, it's a real distraction. But I don't 807 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 2: know what the right answer is. We can sit here 808 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 2: and say, well, we have to wait until after the playoffs. Well, 809 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 2: if you wait after the playoffs, here's the reality and 810 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 2: we all know this. I mean, let's what is. There's 811 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 2: going to be tampering. They're going to be people finding 812 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 2: ways to circumvent, circumvent and or break rules, even if 813 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 2: they're not having direct contact with a candidate. All of 814 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 2: these candidates have close friends, they have agents, They have 815 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 2: people's people out there, they have touch points of people. 816 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 2: So to me, I don't know what the right answer is. 817 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 2: I think is if we do something where we wait 818 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 2: until everyone has to wait until after the playoffs or 819 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl to be interviewed. We have to understand 820 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 2: that rules are going to be broken and as a league, 821 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 2: we're going to have to be willing to enforce those 822 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 2: rules because there are sometimes we've seen where rules are 823 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 2: out there, they're not fully enforced, and then it becomes 824 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,240 Speaker 2: a charade. 825 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: I had three final questions, what's it like the week 826 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl for the head exec because I 827 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: know what it's like for a player. I've talked to them. 828 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: What are you dialing in double? Are you sending back 829 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: chilling double? 830 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 2: No, there's no chilling because here you're working on the 831 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 2: next season. You're still having draft meetings. Because when you 832 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 2: get done at the Super Bowl, you know it's February. 833 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 2: And this whole idea and concept that coaches are involved. 834 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 2: If you're in the Super Bowl, coaches don't see they 835 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 2: don't see prospects that you're going to draft in April. 836 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 2: They don't see them until February, right because as soon 837 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 2: as the season's over. They also get a week off 838 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 2: for two weeks off, not the head coach, but the 839 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 2: assistant coaches. So you're still you're preparing for free agency. 840 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 2: You're preparing a plan for the salary cap, you're preparing 841 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 2: a plan for the draft. This way when the season, 842 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 2: I'll never forget. After our first Super Bowl, Belichick and 843 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 2: I are flying back, we're flying back for New Orleans, 844 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 2: and we're huddled up together because that was the year 845 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 2: actually they were I want to say it was the 846 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 2: year before the Texans came in. We were having this. 847 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,959 Speaker 2: We had just won the Super Bowl. We were heading 848 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,280 Speaker 2: back to Boston, and here we were trying to side 849 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 2: on the six players that we were going to put 850 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 2: out there as being players that were available for the 851 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 2: expand draft. And there's always work to be done. If 852 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 2: you're an executive or a front office person and you're 853 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 2: chilling before the Super Bowl, I mean, the Senior Bowls 854 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 2: is going to be the AFC Championship, NFC Championship. For 855 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 2: this weekend, the Senior Bowl's going on. I'm right down 856 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 2: here at the East West right now, I'm leaving from 857 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 2: here to go to the Senior Bowl. You're working on 858 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,919 Speaker 2: the future and if you're it's one of those things. 859 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 2: I look back retrospectively so blessed to go to five 860 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 2: Super Bowls. I look back at those times, part of 861 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,479 Speaker 2: me says, I wish I would have enjoyed those moments more. 862 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 2: But quite honestly, if I was enjoying those moments, I 863 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,479 Speaker 2: would not have been serving my teammates, meaning the group 864 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 2: that I worked with, and the ownership and the fan 865 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 2: base very well. 866 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: I have final two questions. Who is your favorite I say, 867 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: I should say most proud of draft pick that wasn't 868 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: a first rounder but fourth fifth rounder that ended up 869 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: like you bet on him and it turned into the 870 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: real deal. 871 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 2: I can't give you a favor. That's I say, I 872 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 2: only have one child, so I can say who's your 873 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 2: favorite child. I can also say my daughter Mia is 874 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 2: my favorite child. But it's like we were so fortunate. 875 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 2: There were so many different I mean, the easy answer 876 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 2: for everyone else is, oh, it has to be Brady, 877 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 2: who you drafted in the sixth round. Well, and not 878 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 2: me specifically we drafted in the sixth round. But I 879 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 2: think of guys like Dan Copen. You know, I think 880 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 2: there were a lot you just brought up Matt Castle. 881 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 2: Here's a guy we drafted in the seventh round, had 882 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 2: a fourteen year career. I was a part of the 883 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 2: group that that that drafted Grady Jarrett in the fifth round. 884 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 2: I mean, this is I wish I'd have prepared for this. 885 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 2: But there's you know, there's David Gibbons. I was so 886 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 2: proud of that guy. The list goes on and on 887 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 2: a I mean, I know, I'm not coming up with 888 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 2: a name. Danny Copen was a terrific one. I don't 889 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 2: know how many folks remember Danny Copen, but center that 890 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 2: was so important us. You know at the Patriots and 891 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,720 Speaker 2: those championships. 892 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: Don't word you have seven names? You like, I don't 893 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 1: have any names. 894 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,320 Speaker 4: You have seven? 895 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: You have us plenty. That was that was great. You 896 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: are at the You're at the Shrine Bowl. So you're 897 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: in Ats and Dallas, right, you're a Jerry's world. That's 898 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: where what so what do you do out there? Like, 899 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: what's what's the goal? 900 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 2: So actually I do some consulting work for the league, 901 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 2: and part of what they asked me to do is 902 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 2: they bring me down here and also to the Seaming 903 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 2: Bowl and I spend time. I come down early. The 904 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 2: players are arriving right now as we're speaking. But I 905 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,760 Speaker 2: spend time meeting with a lot of the coaches because 906 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 2: there's a lot of young assistant coaches that they bring 907 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 2: to the that coach these games, and I'm here as 908 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,879 Speaker 2: a resource for them and to spend time with them 909 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 2: because they all have aspirations to do something more. So 910 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 2: I spend time visiting with them, talking about the NFL, 911 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 2: their future, a lot of questions I get. It's it's 912 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 2: a little mentoring work. And quite honestly, I do get 913 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 2: some folks that reach out as they're looking to hire 914 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,919 Speaker 2: people and they want to know some of the people 915 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 2: and I have, you know, I'm a scout, so I'm 916 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 2: keeping my notebook over here and evaluating some of these 917 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 2: people and how they run meetings. I sit in on meetings. 918 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 2: I listened to install I listened to how they're interacting 919 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 2: with players. I watch how they're interacting with the players. 920 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 2: But then I also spend time with players. So it's 921 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 2: it's it's work that I do that's mentoring and helping 922 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 2: these you know, younger coaches build for their future. 923 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: The final thing the Family Fund for Women coaches and 924 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: Scouts what so why why are you so passionate about this? 925 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: And I know this is very important to you. Kind 926 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 1: of explain what it is. 927 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'll give you the background how it started, 928 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 2: and I don't do you remember Katie Sours did the 929 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,479 Speaker 2: coach all right? So so Katie was our daughter's fifth 930 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 2: grade basketball coach. That's how I got to know Katie. 931 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 2: And when we hired Katie Uh at the Atlanta Falcons, 932 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 2: it was a I brought her in as an intern, 933 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,280 Speaker 2: then we're going to keep her on full time. Offered 934 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 2: her a job, but the salary wasn't enough because it 935 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 2: was only going to be a one year coaching thing, 936 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 2: and she had home car payments in Kansas City, which 937 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 2: is where she was living, and she needed help with 938 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 2: living expenses if she was going to take this job. 939 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,280 Speaker 2: So my wife and I ended up paying for her apartment. 940 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 2: And that year that she worked with us, when we 941 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 2: went to the Super Bowl, and it was this thing 942 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 2: that came into our minds during this time. Because I'm 943 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 2: gonna be quite honest here. You know, when when it's 944 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 2: time for young men to get jobs, most coaches can say, hey, 945 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 2: come stay at our place, come stay here. There's different 946 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 2: perceptions of the circumstances when when when you say to 947 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,879 Speaker 2: a woman, hey, come stay at our house rights, it's 948 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 2: one of the many, many, many things that is so unfair. 949 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 2: So my wife and I decided to put in Dallas 950 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 2: Fund into Women's Sports Foundation. I'm on the board of 951 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,479 Speaker 2: the Women's Sports Foundation. Billy Jean King is a dear 952 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:06,360 Speaker 2: friend and mentor of mine. And this, this scholarship or 953 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,799 Speaker 2: it's a grant, is in place for young women who 954 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 2: are going to be coaches or scouts in the early 955 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 2: part of their career to enables that enables them to 956 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 2: have an opportunity to take care of the bills that 957 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 2: you know, that living expenses and helping pay for their 958 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:30,839 Speaker 2: rent because there are obstacles that they have that that 959 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 2: that are different, that are different. And you know, I 960 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 2: look back Jennifer King, you know who's been a full 961 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 2: time coach in the NFL for years. She was one 962 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 2: of our first recipients. You know, Jennifer, you know, was 963 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 2: up at Dartmouth coaching for the late Great Buddy Tevens 964 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,760 Speaker 2: and she was going to make four thousand dollars that fall, 965 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 2: but she was able to get money in order to 966 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 2: take that job. She was a head basketball coach head 967 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 2: women's basketball coach won an nai A championship, quit her 968 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 2: job and wanted to coach ball. She needed help so 969 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 2: that that's a large part of what this is. 970 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: And for more information, you guys, go to Women's Sports 971 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 1: Foundation dot org. Scott, you're my favorite, Matt and I 972 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: will be down to the super Bowl in New Orleans. 973 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: If you're around, we'd love to see you. Oh heck 974 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 1: you well, we'll just be it. Well, you'll see us 975 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 1: with the two really good looking guys that are walking around. 976 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: You know, two athletically good looking guys. You can't miss us. Scott. Seriously, 977 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: you're my favorite and hopefully I will see you soon. 978 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: And thank you so much for your time. 979 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 2: Thank you, Bobby, appreciate you man. 980 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 1: See Scott. Playoffs. 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Slash Audio Conference Championship 1004 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: preview Commanders at Eagles Eagles a six point favorite, Let's 1005 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 1: go Sprey? Does everyboy think the Eagles are gonna win 1006 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 1: eight maynight. 1007 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 4: Will I think. 1008 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,440 Speaker 3: I think that the Eagles will win, but I think 1009 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 3: Commanders will cover. 1010 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so is everybody straight up Eagles win? Yes, yeh okay, 1011 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,800 Speaker 1: so for sure they'll lose great okay. Way, it's like 1012 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: on game day when they all go Boston College and 1013 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: then if they all go, uh, it's Eagles minus six, 1014 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,479 Speaker 1: though I think the Eagles also cover. 1015 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 3: Same Eddie, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Washington plus six. 1016 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 1: Read this is uh NFL, I think, yeah, oh NFL. Okay, 1017 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,880 Speaker 1: come out, No, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Eagles, 1018 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:23,920 Speaker 1: yeah minus six. 1019 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 4: Casey, yeah, I think the Eagles will cover. 1020 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,400 Speaker 1: And the big one, the main event, Come on, baby, 1021 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: Bill's the Chiefs. Chiefs Chiefs a point and a half 1022 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: favorite in Kansas City. Let's just go heads up, straight up. 1023 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 1: We don't need to. That's one and a half is 1024 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: so tight. 1025 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 5: Than't even who is the game? Kevin, I'm gonna go Bills. 1026 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 5: Been going with him in the playoffs. I think it's 1027 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,000 Speaker 5: Josh Allen's year. He's finally like settling down and playing 1028 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 5: not too out of control, and he's gonna get it done. 1029 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: Finally, I'm rolling Chiefs. I've learned never bet against the Chiefs. 1030 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,399 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I've bet with the Chiefs 1031 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 1: every time, so I've not learned to not bet against them. 1032 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,279 Speaker 1: I've learned that if you bet with them, Yes, So 1033 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm going City Hard. It's gonna be fun too. If 1034 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,719 Speaker 1: you go to Super Bowl, Kansasity's playing, that's pretty cool. 1035 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,040 Speaker 1: So I'm going Kansas City. I will not touch the spread. 1036 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: I will bet money line regardless because it is so tight. 1037 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: But I'm going Kansas City. Eddie. 1038 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 3: I'm like, you, man, learn from your mistakes, and I've 1039 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 3: always I didn't make a mistake, I can know, but 1040 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,319 Speaker 3: I've always said, like you know, Chiefs, come on, they've 1041 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,879 Speaker 3: gotta lose. At some point, they've gotta lose. But we've 1042 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 3: seen it over and over and over. Man, the Chiefs 1043 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 3: are gonna win. Jeef Kingdom, Baby, Jeef Kingdoms. 1044 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,279 Speaker 1: That's my home, that's my homes right, two Chiefs, one 1045 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,799 Speaker 1: bills read. Chiefs did good for me last year on 1046 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, so I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with them. 1047 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,400 Speaker 1: And they did good for you as you bet them. 1048 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, Casey, Yeah, I mean I think Mahomes is gonna, 1049 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 4: you know, have two or three amazing plays that are gonna, 1050 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 4: you know, decide this game. 1051 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: So Kansas City playoff wins. Patrick Mahomes second all time, 1052 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: tied with Joe Montana Crazy with sixteen. Tom Brady has 1053 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,359 Speaker 1: thirty five playoff wins percentages, though Patrick combs eighty four 1054 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,319 Speaker 1: percent winning percentage in the playoffs, Tom Brady seventy two. 1055 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 3: Kevin, you want to say. 1056 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:02,760 Speaker 5: A lot more games? 1057 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,440 Speaker 1: Definitely, yeah, but sixteen and three a lot more games. 1058 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 1: It's a lot more games. Yeah, here, yeah, I love 1059 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,879 Speaker 1: them both. I don't know, but I know, I think 1060 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: my home. I'm just saying I love them both. So 1061 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,399 Speaker 1: a couple of notes before we jump out on today's show. 1062 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 1: We are going no, obviously not next week because there 1063 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: is no game I guess the Pro Bowl games, but 1064 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,080 Speaker 1: the Super Bowls next week, so we will be in 1065 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,279 Speaker 1: New Orleans and so far, like on the list, look 1066 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,760 Speaker 1: at it earlier, we have EMMITTT. Smith. 1067 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:38,280 Speaker 3: That's awesome. 1068 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:45,200 Speaker 1: Deon Sanders, let's go next coach coach by then you 1069 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,719 Speaker 1: will know, yeah, oh my gosh. 1070 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 3: Can you imagine, dude, if he ends up being the 1071 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:50,960 Speaker 3: coach and we get to talk to him. 1072 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, by then you will know. 1073 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. 1074 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 1: So who else do we have? Okay, Reggie Bush and 1075 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,840 Speaker 1: Greg Olson, said Nico Collins. Nico Collins, Yeah, some of 1076 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: them waiting for a final, final confirmation. But yeah, Nico Collins. 1077 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,240 Speaker 3: So and what about Jordan Peel, No key. 1078 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,040 Speaker 1: He's doing our other show. 1079 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you can be there, you'll be I want 1080 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 3: to see that. 1081 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: He's so funny, Michael. So that's going to happen. So 1082 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,160 Speaker 1: it's going to be a good trip. One of you 1083 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: will not be able to go to the super Bowl 1084 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,279 Speaker 1: because I have four tickets for five people, and that 1085 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,960 Speaker 1: one of the four will be Kevin, Mike Reed or Eddie. 1086 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 1: This has not been settled already. I've not had any 1087 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,920 Speaker 1: conversations outside of the show. Here's what we're going to 1088 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 1: do on Monday's show. We will get it down to 1089 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,280 Speaker 1: two people who will not be able to go, and 1090 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,760 Speaker 1: so we are going to play a game on Monday's 1091 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,279 Speaker 1: show of twenty five whistles, and we'll draw that who's 1092 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 1: playing who in the game, and if you lose, you 1093 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,600 Speaker 1: aren't out, but somebody else is going to lose as well, 1094 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,360 Speaker 1: and they're not out. But then they will play a 1095 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 1: game and then that lot and possibly it's going to 1096 00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,719 Speaker 1: be connected for because they have the game here. But 1097 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,759 Speaker 1: pas not. I'm gonna spend over the weekend looking at 1098 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:02,280 Speaker 1: board games. 1099 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 3: It's not that squid game game that you bought, is it. 1100 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 1: Okay, we have to pick somebody. I don't want someone 1101 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 1: going thinking they get to go to the super Bowl 1102 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 1: and they don't get to go. 1103 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:12,560 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. 1104 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so we'll do that Monday show. By the way, 1105 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,640 Speaker 1: roughing the Passer on all quarterbacks if you guys saw 1106 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,160 Speaker 1: this or not. As far as what's. 1107 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,319 Speaker 3: Up, Kevin's already doesn't want to talking about this. 1108 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,600 Speaker 1: Per one hundred attempts called, people that got the most 1109 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,120 Speaker 1: roughing the passer calls, Matt Ryan was number one. This 1110 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 1: is all time, Ryan Fitzpatrick at two, Russell Wilson at three, 1111 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:43,239 Speaker 1: Stafford a four, Rogers at five, Wow at six, Tannehill 1112 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,719 Speaker 1: at seven, Gone at eight, Josh Allen, yeah, at nine, 1113 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,520 Speaker 1: Cam Newton. And so now we're getting down to where 1114 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,200 Speaker 1: So first of all, not even the top ten are 1115 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,759 Speaker 1: Mahomes and Brady right, well, one of them is in 1116 00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,480 Speaker 1: the top ten. They come in at number ten. 1117 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,640 Speaker 3: This is kind of destroying your theory a little bit yours. No, 1118 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,040 Speaker 3: it's not not at all, Tannehill. They're not trying to 1119 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:04,680 Speaker 3: protect him. 1120 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,759 Speaker 1: No, bring they're just killing him, some of them, some 1121 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,239 Speaker 1: of them side to protected. They're just like, he just 1122 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,279 Speaker 1: gets killed because off of thee. I'm sorry, Cam Newton 1123 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 1: has that many just because he was such a running quarterback. 1124 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,279 Speaker 1: At number ten is Tom Brady gets gets Tom Brady 1125 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,480 Speaker 1: got way more calls than Patrick Mahomes, but bigger sample size, 1126 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,040 Speaker 1: bigger sample size, and now it's per one hundred so 1127 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:25,919 Speaker 1: there's no sample size. 1128 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:27,799 Speaker 4: I got him. 1129 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, data, dude, data. 1130 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,240 Speaker 1: Brady gets in the top ten. Yeah. Do you have Wentz, Cutler, Roethlisberger, Mahomes. Yeah. 1131 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 5: So this list is all over the place. 1132 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,399 Speaker 1: It sounds pretty easily all over the place. If Pearl 1133 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,359 Speaker 1: it's it's it doesn't matter. 1134 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,080 Speaker 5: I'm just saying the names are all over the place. 1135 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,040 Speaker 5: The names are all over there. 1136 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,960 Speaker 3: There's no pattern. Definitely, I'm saying. 1137 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,799 Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks who started you've never heard. 1138 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,279 Speaker 5: You've never heard Ryan Tannehill, Tom Brady before and. 1139 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 3: Two was not on there too. 1140 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:56,719 Speaker 1: Either. 1141 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:57,160 Speaker 3: Huh. 1142 00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,279 Speaker 1: Well, he got rough in once in about three months, 1143 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,120 Speaker 1: got rough once it was out nine months. 1144 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:01,960 Speaker 4: Poor guys. 1145 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,799 Speaker 1: The last thing that I will say is we can 1146 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,440 Speaker 1: conclude on this, Eddie, you might have to bring a 1147 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,760 Speaker 1: suit with you on this trip. 1148 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,919 Speaker 3: Oh sure for the super Bowl, no problem. We sitting 1149 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 3: in the owner suite. 1150 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,600 Speaker 1: I don't think I can officially announce it, but I 1151 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 1: think that I am presenting NFL Honors Wow on the 1152 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:22,840 Speaker 1: TV show. I think. And so if they're like, you 1153 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,040 Speaker 1: bring you have to bring somebody, I'll let you know 1154 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:25,960 Speaker 1: you meant to bring a suit. 1155 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:26,160 Speaker 2: Wow. 1156 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,320 Speaker 5: Okay, so if he gets to go to that, he 1157 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,279 Speaker 5: doesn't go to the super Bowl. 1158 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:29,880 Speaker 1: Fair point. We'll talk about it Monday. 1159 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:30,920 Speaker 3: That's not a fair point. 1160 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,600 Speaker 1: But wow, Mike, but that would be cool to go 1161 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:34,800 Speaker 1: to that, right with all the athletes? 1162 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:35,280 Speaker 3: Amazing? 1163 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you may have to bring a suit. I'm 1164 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:37,720 Speaker 1: not confirmed. 1165 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 3: Am I getting on stage with you? 1166 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? We're doing it together. So okay, we're doing it together. 1167 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,720 Speaker 5: And he shows up in a Romo jersey. 1168 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,400 Speaker 1: Right, that's it. Thank you guys. Uh go check out 1169 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,399 Speaker 1: Bobby Bone Sports on YouTube. 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