Speaker 1: A little open letter to Subway. I have devoted so
Speaker 1: much airtime to standing next to you through this entire ordeal.
Speaker 1: Within like a couple of pages, Irak mentions Artisanal I P. A. S.
Speaker 1: And the Grateful Dead, and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: the Rosetta Stone, this is the Genesis story. If I'm
Speaker 1: being totally honest, suckers or just things I think might
Speaker 1: be trout until they're not. He didn't encourage giving kids
Speaker 1: guns or smoking while canoeing down some white water in
Speaker 1: this one, So you know, good morning, degenerate anglers, and
Speaker 1: welcome to Ben the fishing podcast that forgot the eye
Speaker 1: before e rule when it got the word believe tattooed
Speaker 1: below the giant muskie that was already inked on its
Speaker 1: lower back. I'm Joe Surmelli and I'm Hayden Samac And
Speaker 1: whenever I see a misspelled tattoo, it makes me wonder
Speaker 1: if the client is always right and like insisted on
Speaker 1: the spelling, or if like just tattoo artists in general
Speaker 1: or not eight spellers right. I've always kind of wondered
Speaker 1: the same thing, like even if you're not hooked on phonics,
Speaker 1: like does nobody run the spell check you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Uh. Anyway, if you if you haven't already guessed,
Speaker 1: our permanent solution to a loose theme this week is tats.
Speaker 1: Fish tats specifically, um and I have some, but before
Speaker 1: we discuss those, you sir have a lot more ink
Speaker 1: than I do. But are any of them? Is there
Speaker 1: any fish on your person? Uh? No, I know, no,
Speaker 1: there's not. I do have like a as far as
Speaker 1: outdoor tattoos go, I do have like a pleasant tattoo
Speaker 1: on my arm, and I have something ok antlers, I
Speaker 1: have an arrow going through a sparrow on my wrist.
Speaker 1: And uh, I will go on record now and say
Speaker 1: I have so many tattoos that I really just kind
Speaker 1: of don't give a shit anymore. And you're that guy,
Speaker 1: and yeah, well, I mean you know, uh, I might
Speaker 1: might be talked in to getting some fish inc in
Speaker 1: the future in the name of ben. Oh. Careful, I
Speaker 1: like it, be careful right, fun with it. I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna give you a hard time about not
Speaker 1: having a fish tat. I will, look, I will give
Speaker 1: people a hard time about lots of things, but not
Speaker 1: tattoos because they are personal, like I would never say
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you never shot a bull elk, Like
Speaker 1: that would be a dick move. I wouldn't do that
Speaker 1: to you, you know, but it's not me. I wanted
Speaker 1: some sort of big game tattoo. Man, this was back
Speaker 1: in like I don't know, uh, you know, elk candlers
Speaker 1: are just a lot more like graphically appealing than I
Speaker 1: think a white tail rack. I couldn't quite figure that, right,
Speaker 1: All right, there you go. I mean, like you don't
Speaker 1: really need any validation. Um, but you've also hinted to
Speaker 1: me in the past that that you you might have
Speaker 1: some ink you regret lightly, which I can identify with
Speaker 1: because I do. But like with an asterisk, okay, like
Speaker 1: as it goes with many youths, like you can't get
Speaker 1: inked fast enough when you turn eighteen. And my mom,
Speaker 1: who is awesome, was even willing to pay for my
Speaker 1: first tattoo. And I wanted something music related, and my
Speaker 1: dad was like, listen, I know you're into playing that hard,
Speaker 1: screaming garbage shit right now, but you might not always be.
Speaker 1: But you've always loved fishing, and you've always loved sharks.
Speaker 1: And he was right, right, he was right, So I
Speaker 1: got a great white instead. But being in such a
Speaker 1: rush and having a limited budget, like my mom wasn't
Speaker 1: like whatever it costs, She's like, you got three hundred
Speaker 1: bucks or whatever. I just pulled one off the wall,
Speaker 1: And I've seen the same shark on the wall in
Speaker 1: every tattoo shop I've been in since, so like kind
Speaker 1: of more than being representative of my love of sharks
Speaker 1: and fishing, it morphed into more of an homage to
Speaker 1: just being eighteen and in a hurry, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I don't hate it, but it was
Speaker 1: chosen in haste. I'll say that first off. Talking about
Speaker 1: like the just pulling one off the wall a lot
Speaker 1: of times, like that's kind of a cool way to
Speaker 1: get tattooed because you're kind of participating in like a
Speaker 1: cannon of tattooing, you know what I mean, Like that
Speaker 1: that piece of flash like kind of becomes iconic and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a way to I don't know,
Speaker 1: you you find that mostly in people who are like
Speaker 1: collecting tattoos, like in a big way. But I don't
Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with that, man, now, I know
Speaker 1: there's now, But I was just like that one you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I'm like, there's nothing special
Speaker 1: about it or something. You know. Yeah, well, let me
Speaker 1: tell you this. Some of my earliest tattoos weren't that way,
Speaker 1: and I kind of wish that they were. For instance,
Speaker 1: like the very first tattoo that I ever got was
Speaker 1: an arrow on my forearm, and that's because I grew
Speaker 1: up like archery hunting, and I thought that was pretty neat.
Speaker 1: Then about like a year or two later, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's because like pinch Rist or some ship,
Speaker 1: every white girl on the planet got an arrow tattoo
Speaker 1: exactly in the same spot you need to go back
Speaker 1: to move forward, in the same exact spot as I had.
Speaker 1: So I actually, like I ended up putting a snake
Speaker 1: around it like three years later, just to make it
Speaker 1: look a little bit you can see you back in
Speaker 1: like bro, put a snaker on this, put a snaker
Speaker 1: on this dude, and not only that man, but like
Speaker 1: it's so common. Again, we're gonna talk about Chester Floyd
Speaker 1: in the office here. He has an almost identical tattoo
Speaker 1: on his forearm arrow, same spot. Fair enough, fair enough,
Speaker 1: and at least I will I will say this though, right, Um,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen my shark on other people. I've seen
Speaker 1: the flash in the other tattoo polars, but I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it on someone else anyway. So you only spent
Speaker 1: a couple of years before you got your second. I
Speaker 1: didn't get any more ail. I was twenty seven. It
Speaker 1: was from my one year wedding anniversary. My wife, who
Speaker 1: had no tattoo, was wanted one. So that's what we did.
Speaker 1: And she got you know, tiny flower on her foot
Speaker 1: and I got a big brown trout and striper crossing
Speaker 1: over an outline of jersey on my leg. At that time,
Speaker 1: I had a buddy draw it. Now, in hindsight, could
Speaker 1: it still have been drawn better? Yes? Right At the
Speaker 1: time though, I was like, bro, you're the best tattoo
Speaker 1: drawer I've ever seen. Um, But at least it's a
Speaker 1: one of a kind, and I still like it, So
Speaker 1: I'm not no no regrets, no regrets, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, recently, uh, my girlfriend asked if
Speaker 1: she could draw a tattoo for me to go get
Speaker 1: and the answer is absolutely not for sure, no, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of common. Um. But but even
Speaker 1: even though it's like sort of maybe shitty tattoos are
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Yeah, they can be. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So I one time I let my buddies like Apprentice
Speaker 1: do a mountain seat on my leg when she was
Speaker 1: still like kind of learning how to tattoo. And it's
Speaker 1: easily the worst tattoo that I have. It looks like
Speaker 1: an orange over like two ice cubes. But when I
Speaker 1: say it, like, it makes me laugh. After you get
Speaker 1: like enough tattoos, you kind of stopped caring so much
Speaker 1: and they just kind of become these things that, as
Speaker 1: you said, with your tattoo mark a certain time in
Speaker 1: your life or whatever and remembrance. Yeah, yeah, you remember
Speaker 1: more when than like why if that makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Once you have, however many though, you kind of get
Speaker 1: into that like why not zone. I have somebodies who
Speaker 1: would like describe themselves as maybe like addicted to getting tattoos,
Speaker 1: but I don't really get that. Yeah, and I know
Speaker 1: it can be very addictive. I never caught the bug.
Speaker 1: I like, right now, I have no desire for more
Speaker 1: than what I have, but I still love tattoos. I
Speaker 1: follow so many tattoo artists and um, I know so
Speaker 1: many that specialized in fish and I'm like a man,
Speaker 1: where were you? Why couldn't I know you when I
Speaker 1: was twenty seven? You know, but you can't. You can't
Speaker 1: beat yourself up over that. You really shouldn't beat yourself
Speaker 1: up over any tat because as long as it means
Speaker 1: something to you, it's all good. Um. I will say
Speaker 1: that the only thing I could never fully get behind
Speaker 1: and figure out, uh was getting a gear brand logo.
Speaker 1: And like I get teams, I get, you know, even
Speaker 1: a band, but not like brands that just sell things
Speaker 1: like Adidas or case kse Swiss or something like that.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry if that's offensive to anybody to teach
Speaker 1: their own. That's just like one segment of tattoos I
Speaker 1: never quite got. Yeah, man, um, I was thinking personally
Speaker 1: about getting like the first light logo like a little
Speaker 1: tear drop under my eye, then keep adding another one
Speaker 1: for every mule deer I shot or something going on
Speaker 1: some outdoors gangster ship not But like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't get the brand logos at all. I think
Speaker 1: it's sort of weird. Yeah, like yeah, come on, you know,
Speaker 1: don't get the g loom is fish bones, ain'ked on yourself?
Speaker 1: You know, like the smarter thing to do, would beat
Speaker 1: a get the logo of our sponsors thirteen Fishing tattooed
Speaker 1: on your neck. I think that's pretty obvious, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean all of my logo hatred said, I will
Speaker 1: mentioned that I have a full thirteen Fishing back piece
Speaker 1: being drawn up right now. It's got like spin rods
Speaker 1: and fishing. But there's like a bass jumping out of
Speaker 1: the ice as if there were no ice at all.
Speaker 1: It really makes a lot of sense. It's really well
Speaker 1: thought out. It's gonna be beautiful. The tag Marson's gonna
Speaker 1: hate it, yeah, don't you? Also, you have them an
Speaker 1: appointment to get their logo branded on you too as well, right,
Speaker 1: It's I wouldn't It's not like an appointment per se.
Speaker 1: My buddy was gonna like bend a wire hanger and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a hack for all you crazy kids out there.
Speaker 1: You go, and we thought about doing the thirteen logo,
Speaker 1: but decided to go with one of their their flash
Speaker 1: bangs instead. I was gonna get it like right on
Speaker 1: my ribs, kind of oh man, that the code hanger.
Speaker 1: That's how they did it in Notre Dame High School
Speaker 1: circuit tooth thousand one. When did I graduate something like that? Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's a great choice. Um, that's that's a great spoon
Speaker 1: on the ice as well, since this is not weird,
Speaker 1: the rattle chamber is built right into those and there's
Speaker 1: an integrated glow stick that lasts for hours. It might
Speaker 1: last for hours, man, but it's probably not gonna last
Speaker 1: as long as the pain from that branding iron or
Speaker 1: branding iron probably not oh man. Anyway, keeping with our
Speaker 1: skin and fishing theme, we're about to hit our covering
Speaker 1: water segment with a man that is arguably one of
Speaker 1: the best and most sought after tattoo artists in the country.
Speaker 1: He specializes in fish. He's also a serious fish head.
Speaker 1: He also co owns a fly shop and um Hayden
Speaker 1: borrowed a bunch of fly time ship from during the
Speaker 1: height of the COVID pandemic. I'm going in, I can
Speaker 1: hold it. I'm okay, So we're you're here with my
Speaker 1: pal Dan Santro uh. Dan is a renowned tattoo artist
Speaker 1: and is considered one of the best fish tattoo artists
Speaker 1: currently out there. Although it's not like how you would traditionally,
Speaker 1: it's not like hyper realism or something like that, but
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to put your finger on. Thank you, Dan,
Speaker 1: How like, how would you describe it? Um as? I mean, stylistically,
Speaker 1: it just kind of falls in line with how I
Speaker 1: believe tattoos should be applied. It's not so much that
Speaker 1: I think it looks cool, although I do, but a
Speaker 1: lot of it is done for kind of like utility reasons. Yes,
Speaker 1: you would say, like the hallmarks your style are like
Speaker 1: kind of bold and you know, hard lines and correct.
Speaker 1: Dan's too humble to say this, but I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: him a little bit uncomfortable here. Dan and his work
Speaker 1: have been featured on the Vice Network, fly Lords, in
Speaker 1: countless tattoo books, magazines, and a whole bunch of other
Speaker 1: spots in the dark web. Dan is also a super
Speaker 1: fishy dude and recently has become the co founder and
Speaker 1: co owner of house Fly with his partner Sean Whitman.
Speaker 1: Now house Fly is a super cool fly shop in
Speaker 1: northeast Pennsylvania the town of Holly. And that's actually spot
Speaker 1: that when I was back on the East Coast, I
Speaker 1: spent a ton of time fly Fish and Joe, You've
Speaker 1: hit like the lack of wax and stuff. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say I have a leg up on
Speaker 1: you because you're from here. But I've been there. I've
Speaker 1: been to house Fly, and it's a it's a great
Speaker 1: chop when I appreciate about what you guys are doing,
Speaker 1: because I think it's more than a fly shop. I
Speaker 1: get the sense you're trying to build a brand around it.
Speaker 1: I mean all the branding, all every everything is super cool.
Speaker 1: I mean just the name house Fly is super cool.
Speaker 1: Great store, man, great store. Thank you. Yeah, and we
Speaker 1: have another partner as well. It's Shawn myself and then
Speaker 1: um there's Tim. Tim lives in Brooklyn, so he's not
Speaker 1: here uh a lot. And Tim is a super important
Speaker 1: part of the story and I think also a super
Speaker 1: super important part of our even just like visual Addict.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's the three of us. Unfortunately I'm
Speaker 1: not here. I'm not here Ton either because I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I have a day job tattooing. But Seawan is holding
Speaker 1: down the fort. And then Tim is truly the man
Speaker 1: behind the curtain in Brooklyn. So it's a it's an
Speaker 1: eclectic shop. And I mean that in the best possible
Speaker 1: way that I was in there and while you have
Speaker 1: everything you need and more for local fishing, I was like,
Speaker 1: I want one of those skateboards with the dance Santairo fish.
Speaker 1: That's what I bought, the skateboard. Thank you guys. But great,
Speaker 1: great story, Thank you. How how did you like kind
Speaker 1: of become so well known for your fish tattoos in
Speaker 1: particular because it is something you're like well known for
Speaker 1: at this point. Um, you know, I don't really know.
Speaker 1: I definitely was doing fish tattoos for years, even before
Speaker 1: I was fly fishing. I was doing fishing tattoos just
Speaker 1: because of just I just always dug it. And then
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen, maybe it was nineteen, I don't
Speaker 1: remember exactly, I did a thing where I gave half
Speaker 1: the money of every fish tattoo to a conservation group.
Speaker 1: Did it Actually was kind of it was a little daunting.
Speaker 1: It was like a really fun project. I haven't got
Speaker 1: creative with like who I would give the money to.
Speaker 1: I was going, you know, it was basically giving it
Speaker 1: to um, you know the blue chips in the beginning,
Speaker 1: like you know, trout to limit or whatever. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: if I did a striped bass tattoo, I was giving
Speaker 1: it to Delaware Baykeeper or whatever, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a lot of work. Especially, it
Speaker 1: was fun. It was fun. It's been like years and
Speaker 1: I still get so much literature sent to my house,
Speaker 1: but conservation literature. Yeah, I mean it was conservation literature
Speaker 1: or just like hey remember us, you know. But like,
Speaker 1: I really feel like that was a big push for
Speaker 1: me and fishing tattoos, because I definitely tattooed people that
Speaker 1: had never thought about getting tattooed before, but they were.
Speaker 1: They were referred to me through this kind of conservation project.
Speaker 1: So fast forward a couple of months after we met
Speaker 1: COVID hit Actually wasn't even a couple of months. It
Speaker 1: was a couple of weeks. Yeah, no, it's pretty fresh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now my reaction to that happening was, you know, I
Speaker 1: went and I grabbed my like then girlfriend, and we
Speaker 1: shot up to this little cabin my folks had on
Speaker 1: lake wall in paw Pack. And it turns out that
Speaker 1: you lived directly across the lake from that cabin, and
Speaker 1: you know, you and I got to chatting on the
Speaker 1: old instance slam. I borrowed some fly time stuff from you,
Speaker 1: and here we are a couple of years later. Oh,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yeah, with with a I think
Speaker 1: they were with a Turkey I shot that year. You were.
Speaker 1: I hazard to say, you were probably like one of
Speaker 1: some of the first one of the first people I
Speaker 1: saw since like Lockdown, like it was early. Did he
Speaker 1: bleach off whatever he barreed with with No, I just
Speaker 1: didn't give it back. I still have it. I still
Speaker 1: have the nice you got plenty of flying swimming in it. Yeah, exactly, so.
Speaker 1: I mean, so the ultimate reason we brought you here, man,
Speaker 1: was to do this covering water segment with us. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna explain how that works. Right, So it's theoretically
Speaker 1: an interview segment, except we do it a little different.
Speaker 1: What we've done here is Hayden and I have come
Speaker 1: up with ten questions each that we're gonna rapid fire
Speaker 1: at you and get through as many as we can
Speaker 1: in two minutes. And the whole idea here is that
Speaker 1: you don't have too much time to think about your answer.
Speaker 1: You you just have to fire it off right and um,
Speaker 1: when we're done, we do promise that we will give
Speaker 1: you one full minute to expand or explain which everyone
Speaker 1: was like the most damning, which everyone was like, oh shoot,
Speaker 1: I should not have answered that. We will give you
Speaker 1: one full minute to uh to make everything right sound good? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll do my best. I mean, I'm gonna do my
Speaker 1: best and not make everyone damning. All right, all right,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna put to I'm gonna put two minutes
Speaker 1: on the clock. Hayden, you are going to kick off
Speaker 1: and we are running. Ever read a small jaw, No
Speaker 1: finish this sentence. If I never had to tattoo another
Speaker 1: blank again, I wouldn't be sad. Oh, lower back, remember
Speaker 1: that beautiful? Okay, got it? What is your favorite podcast?
Speaker 1: Making Sense with Sam Harris? Why is your favorite podcast Klauser,
Speaker 1: Bugger or Zonker? You can only pick one, Klaus good choice.
Speaker 1: Drift boat or a raft. I haven't been in too
Speaker 1: many rafts, but drift boat nice, nice, hard boat for
Speaker 1: the wind. Why is fly fishing culture so obsessed with
Speaker 1: grateful dead logos and symbolism. I think the way that
Speaker 1: the music is structured is very like you know, it's
Speaker 1: obviously very improv and so is fishing, and it's like
Speaker 1: this kind of never ending things. I mean before man, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. And I also I also kind of realized
Speaker 1: I'm reading um trout bum for the second time that
Speaker 1: um in like within like a couple of pages girak
Speaker 1: mentions like Artisanal I P A. S And The Grateful Dead,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is this is the bid,
Speaker 1: this is like the this is this is the genesis.
Speaker 1: I think blank is criminally underrated. Cheese whiz wow, that's wow.
Speaker 1: We got to hang out more. In your opinion, the
Speaker 1: most painful place to get a tattoo is, oh man,
Speaker 1: upper ribs. Okay, what is your best river clean up? Find?
Speaker 1: A memorial for somebody that passed away that was made
Speaker 1: into like a raft and they tried to send it
Speaker 1: down the river like probably like Viking funeral style, but
Speaker 1: where we found it, it probably didn't go like more
Speaker 1: than like a couple hundred yards. Misfits guar or spinal tap, oh,
Speaker 1: misfits like like they're like misfits against like even like
Speaker 1: the new jump. What is your worst river cleanup find?
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm so many needles animal like deer like
Speaker 1: deer and garbage bags and ship like that. Like we've
Speaker 1: had people straight like wretching like a cleanup s you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So anything like bio is like, no,
Speaker 1: like you, what's the most unique fish species you've ever tattooed.
Speaker 1: I don't know. People kind of go for like the
Speaker 1: big five or whatever. You know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like always kind of the same. I did recently do
Speaker 1: um a car. It's mostly trout. I mean, everybody wants
Speaker 1: like brown trout, rainbow trout. I've done a lot of
Speaker 1: large mouth, um some small mouth. I kind of even
Speaker 1: though I prefer catching small mouth, I prefer tattooing large
Speaker 1: mouth small mouth. There too subtle. Those patterns are just
Speaker 1: like too subtle large mouth. You need that one horizontal
Speaker 1: bar and you know what it is. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. We're already going away over to one more. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's god Hayden one more. Do you think fly fishermen
Speaker 1: are better than conventional fisherman, Oh, they don't litter as much?
Speaker 1: Yes or no bro? Yes or no bro yes, that's
Speaker 1: one for me. Wire small mouths so much better than
Speaker 1: large mouths. Oh, bro, it's like night and day. Man.
Speaker 1: It's like if you do, if you do, if you're
Speaker 1: doing like a blind taste test with just like you know,
Speaker 1: your eyes closed, you just hold the pole bro come
Speaker 1: on like a five pound large mouth. Don't feel shipped
Speaker 1: against like a one pound small love it. It's like
Speaker 1: a little hurt there, alright, alright that ye dude, that's
Speaker 1: the second covering. Water gets in a row that closed
Speaker 1: by shipping on large mouths. Okay, second thing, and it's terrific.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that was fun. We went over do we
Speaker 1: give him do we give him the minute to expand?
Speaker 1: It's totally fair. Dan kind of gave it up a
Speaker 1: minute for each one and expand it just naturally. But
Speaker 1: I mean, the rules is rules, man, Like anything there,
Speaker 1: you want to give us more about any one of
Speaker 1: those answers, you'd like the folks at home to know
Speaker 1: more about why you said it? What do I say
Speaker 1: about the lower back tattoos? Lower backs? Now I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about are not that well, that's funny, I said. I
Speaker 1: set that up thinking you would give me like a
Speaker 1: thing like if I never had to do another Just
Speaker 1: too many I know that's I kind of like knew
Speaker 1: that's what you meant. But there's simply too many things
Speaker 1: I don't want to do, so I just kind of
Speaker 1: like put it to like the thirty six body parts
Speaker 1: just like but but now you got to say why
Speaker 1: lower back? Now you gotta do it. Now you gotta
Speaker 1: expand oh, people just sit so shitty in the way,
Speaker 1: you gotta like stretch out. I mean I haven't really,
Speaker 1: I mean other than like I do a lot of
Speaker 1: back pieces, so I I like by default end up
Speaker 1: tattooing lower backs. But I mean, you know, like I
Speaker 1: learned the tattoo in New Jersey in the like you know,
Speaker 1: early two thousands, see a lot of lower back tattoos
Speaker 1: that very much like the tribal it was like very much.
Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly, so like my I guess like I'm
Speaker 1: still not above doing that, but I guess like if
Speaker 1: I had to kind of like say, like there's something
Speaker 1: that man I still like shut her to think, that
Speaker 1: would be that would be. It was just that the
Speaker 1: you know, the the amount that I did fair enough,
Speaker 1: so everybody knows if they ever booked you for a
Speaker 1: tattoo session, you'd prefer not to do their lower back.
Speaker 1: I mean, we probably wouldn't even get that far if
Speaker 1: that's where they were going. So all right, Dan, well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. And that was
Speaker 1: that was pretty funny. Before we go, do you want
Speaker 1: to tell us a little bit about a house fly
Speaker 1: and maybe like where to find you on the Instagram. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the shop itself is at two seventeen Main Avenue
Speaker 1: in Holly, Pennsylvania. Um, we're right next to Pat's Bar
Speaker 1: and my tattoo shop. The it's called American House, just
Speaker 1: a couple doors down. Um, we are on you know,
Speaker 1: all the social media things. It's just house fly fishing.
Speaker 1: One word. Um is it one word, Sean, It's two words.
Speaker 1: It's it's house fly coner, it's house Yeah. Yeah, Tim,
Speaker 1: Tim right now in the future is listening to this shaking,
Speaker 1: like hitting his jewel so hard, I'm telling you. Um.
Speaker 1: So it's like on social media and like all that ship.
Speaker 1: But I'd rather just come here and just see it yourself.
Speaker 1: Dan's a blast man, Like I gotta hang out with
Speaker 1: that dude. He's already hinted. Yeah, he's already hinted that
Speaker 1: he's got interest in shad and snakeheads and we don't
Speaker 1: leave that far away from each other. Um. I Also,
Speaker 1: I really appreciated his answer about the fly fishing grateful
Speaker 1: Dead connection, Like I thought it was thoughtful, But I
Speaker 1: also still hate the Grateful Dead. Um. And God smack
Speaker 1: since you know we're saying him, since we're rolling them off. Yea,
Speaker 1: as much as I appreciate, like all types of music, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge deadhead either. I'm not in the
Speaker 1: target marketing group for that eight d dollars steal your
Speaker 1: face able fly reel that you know. I always found
Speaker 1: them kind of funny because the dead is all about
Speaker 1: being a free spirit and like child of the earth
Speaker 1: and peace, love and simple living. But then to afford
Speaker 1: the grateful Dead able you have to work on Wall Street,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, shouldn't a grateful Dead
Speaker 1: reel cost as much as a frisbee? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, Well, interestingly enough, something you might not
Speaker 1: know about Dan is that he recently put out a
Speaker 1: bunch of signs that say it's some like be kind,
Speaker 1: do not litter, and they have the grateful deadbear on them.
Speaker 1: And he sold a million of those things during the pandemic,
Speaker 1: I mean, just reprint after reprint, and people took them
Speaker 1: and they're like parking signs almost you can promise them,
Speaker 1: you can put them onto like the post that holds
Speaker 1: up like a stop sign, you know, like that, like
Speaker 1: rectangular post with the whole Yeah. Yeah, it's fitted so
Speaker 1: you can put those everywhere and you'll see them all
Speaker 1: over the place. But anyway, forget the grateful dead man
Speaker 1: we're about. We're gonna be talk about something else, and
Speaker 1: that's you, Joe. You're going to be dead, dead meat
Speaker 1: when I kick your butt. In this week's installment of
Speaker 1: fish News, Fish News that escalated quickly. Hey, so while
Speaker 1: the B side train is still rolling, Uh, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the show airing today at one pm Eastern eleven
Speaker 1: AM Mountain. I'm gonna challenge your idea of what makes
Speaker 1: a fish worthy of targeting in today's show, how about that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And so far, like, we've chased some oddballs, right, those
Speaker 1: being American chad and snakeheads. But here's the thing, those
Speaker 1: are fairly niche fish. Not everyone lives where those species live.
Speaker 1: But in today's show, we're going after red horse suckers.
Speaker 1: And even if you don't have red horse, strong chance
Speaker 1: you've got some species of sucker swimming close to home,
Speaker 1: because there's like a million of them in this country.
Speaker 1: So that begs the question, man, why would you fly
Speaker 1: all the way to Minnesota. Oh, they're right around they're
Speaker 1: right around everybody's backyard. So I went in Minnesota because
Speaker 1: that's where my sucker guy was. Man, Okay, yes I
Speaker 1: did fly, Dude, I posed that question in the beginning.
Speaker 1: Am I the sucker or are you the sucker for
Speaker 1: not liking suckers? Okay, but yes I did. I flew
Speaker 1: all the way out to Minnesota to hang out with
Speaker 1: my bud, Tyler Winner and Tyler Um he was actually
Speaker 1: in season two of DOS Boat Chasing Bigmouth Buffalo. That's
Speaker 1: how this connection was made. And I can honestly say
Speaker 1: I've never met a guy more eight up with underdog
Speaker 1: fish than Tyler, Like he lives to chase all the
Speaker 1: fish that most of the people don't want to. And
Speaker 1: while there there's a big culture I'm very aware of
Speaker 1: around sucker gigging in the Ozarks. That's that's like a
Speaker 1: big deal and nighttime gig deal. Tyler's the only guy
Speaker 1: I know that wants to convince you that suckers are
Speaker 1: just as worthy of targeting with a rotten reel as
Speaker 1: trout and bass. So that's why I went all the
Speaker 1: way to Minnesota to hang with him. Hayden, It's not
Speaker 1: about about the man's about the man. Okay, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: you know there is like part of me that appreciates
Speaker 1: the accessibility of like that fishery in general. When I
Speaker 1: was a kid, you could actually catch like kind of
Speaker 1: a legit Like this is an anecdotal observation, and I
Speaker 1: made this observation as a child, But you catch kind
Speaker 1: of a legit like sucker spawning run behind my house
Speaker 1: in the springtime. And I don't know exactly which ones
Speaker 1: they are, because, if I'm being totally honest, like suckers
Speaker 1: are just kind of things I think might be trout
Speaker 1: until they're not. Yes, I think every trout fisherman has yes,
Speaker 1: especially when they hit a big s streamer or something. Occasionally. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe you can help me identifying because these ones got
Speaker 1: this like really heavy black bar running from head to
Speaker 1: tail during like their spawn, and we we kind of
Speaker 1: used to goof around with them when we saw them.
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. I have caught them.
Speaker 1: We need Tyler here because I have no idea what
Speaker 1: they are. I have I am not versed in the classification.
Speaker 1: Um but anyway, look, I'm not I'm not gonna give
Speaker 1: away my conclusion here, but I'll say this right. In
Speaker 1: a world where everyone complains about how crowded their favorite
Speaker 1: fishing holes are, Tyler is targeting um, a completely unpressured
Speaker 1: fish in some beautiful places and there is nobody else around.
Speaker 1: So there's something to be said for that, right, Like
Speaker 1: keep that in mind when you watch. There's something to
Speaker 1: be said for that. Um. There's also something to be
Speaker 1: said about this being a competition, which it is, right,
Speaker 1: And then I do not know it was perfect? It
Speaker 1: was perfect perfect. I'm Mr Perfect Hayden, and I do
Speaker 1: not know which news story the other gen is bringing
Speaker 1: to the table. And at the end a winner will
Speaker 1: be declared by our smashing audio engineer Phil. Will it
Speaker 1: be the voice of Phil today? Which is the voice
Speaker 1: of an angel um or the c G I fill
Speaker 1: that we got last week? We'll find out, but it
Speaker 1: is your lead man, Uh, take the floor what you
Speaker 1: got alright? So this week we're gonna go down I've
Speaker 1: been like on the international news beat, so this week
Speaker 1: we're going Yeah, that's good, We're going down under. In
Speaker 1: a story about a fisherman who almost ended up as
Speaker 1: cut bait. Um M and unidentified sixty year old man
Speaker 1: was fishing on his property in far north Queensland in
Speaker 1: the Mageiver River. That's mick ivor not mcgever. Uh. He
Speaker 1: goes down to his favorite hole and what does he find?
Speaker 1: A big as bull standing We're right about where he
Speaker 1: wants to be. And I guess that's like sort of
Speaker 1: a global truth about pasture fishing in general. Like I
Speaker 1: never had to deal with that until I came out here.
Speaker 1: But livestock, particularly bulls, preventing you from getting places is
Speaker 1: like a real thing. It is a real thing. And
Speaker 1: I don't even need the bull. I'm I can I
Speaker 1: can just get myself, Garrett of the cows. I've dealt
Speaker 1: with this in Amish country. P A like walking around
Speaker 1: some of those farms, because the Amish, you know, as
Speaker 1: as as sort of cloistered as they are, they're like
Speaker 1: they're very they don't most of them don't mind if
Speaker 1: you like walk down the river on their property to
Speaker 1: carp fish or whatever. And there have been several instances
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I'm not walking through this field, like
Speaker 1: I do not trust these large animals. I do not
Speaker 1: like this. So that is very real. You are correct.
Speaker 1: So anyway, dude tries to shoot the bull away and
Speaker 1: I guess the bull ends up moving because the next
Speaker 1: thing the report says is that he was trying to
Speaker 1: make a cast one Bam crock attack and that and
Speaker 1: John moment was bought to you by our resident Elton
Speaker 1: John super fan, Spencer new Hearth. Wait a minute, I
Speaker 1: didn't know Spencer was an Elton John fan. How is
Speaker 1: it brought to us by Spencer? And time? I can
Speaker 1: rib Spencer for his like undying love of Elton John.
Speaker 1: He's like traveling hundreds of miles in spring to go
Speaker 1: see Elton John fair. I like it. I will keep
Speaker 1: that joke going. I'll hit the next one. Okay, so
Speaker 1: sounds good. Anyhow, so the fight is on. The croc
Speaker 1: grabs him by both legs and starts dragging him into
Speaker 1: the water. The dude tries to hold onto the mangrove
Speaker 1: season and initially succeeds, but in what can only be
Speaker 1: describes a shocking turn of events, the croc overpowers him
Speaker 1: and he ends up in the river. It is not
Speaker 1: looking good for unidentified dundee. No, so Joe. Does he
Speaker 1: resign himself to death? Does he struggle to break free
Speaker 1: and swim ashore? No? Ask me what he does next? Uh,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's gonna be badass because Australians are
Speaker 1: just tougher than we are. Like, that is just I
Speaker 1: firmly believe that. I fly believe that. Go ahead. What
Speaker 1: does he do next? He saw how orients himself, reaches
Speaker 1: to his waistband and pulls out a knife. That's not
Speaker 1: how could I not sometimes the ship just it's fine,
Speaker 1: you had to go okay anyhow, Yeah, the guy pulls
Speaker 1: out a knife and starts stabbing the ship out of
Speaker 1: the crocodile, and the croc lets him go. Uh. Then
Speaker 1: this Batas proceeds to swim ashore, get in his car,
Speaker 1: and drive himself to the hospital, where at the time
Speaker 1: of the press release I lifted this from he was
Speaker 1: still recovering. My favorite part of the story is actually
Speaker 1: in the press release, where they felt the need to
Speaker 1: include that a crocodile expert examined the man and verified
Speaker 1: that his injuries were indeed consistent with the crocodile a
Speaker 1: deck When how much that guy gets paid? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? This wasn't a cow. So you may
Speaker 1: be wondering about the fate of the crocodile um. A
Speaker 1: lot of folks know that up here in the North
Speaker 1: othern hemisphere, when somebody gets attacked by like a bear
Speaker 1: or something, most of the time the conservation officers will
Speaker 1: like go and try and remove the problem bear. Now,
Speaker 1: the report says, quote, due to the circumstances, including the
Speaker 1: remote location of the property and that there is no
Speaker 1: public access in the vicinity, d E s that's the
Speaker 1: Department of Environment and Science will not target the crocodile
Speaker 1: for removal from the wild. Um. I think part of
Speaker 1: this is that they assumed the croc was initially drawn
Speaker 1: to the section of the river because of the bull,
Speaker 1: and when the guy shoot the bull away and assumed
Speaker 1: his position, the crocs all the guy and was like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess that'll do. It. Wasn't like targeting people, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I mean I kind
Speaker 1: of get that. It's like, you know, you remove problem
Speaker 1: animals or whatever. If it's already way way the hell
Speaker 1: out in the bush, where do you remove it and
Speaker 1: take it to It's already pretty much out there in
Speaker 1: the wild. Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, just like
Speaker 1: bear country whatever, crocs are kind of an omnipresent threat
Speaker 1: in this area. Is just part of the deal. If
Speaker 1: you're fishing there. In fact, yep, they're so prevalent that
Speaker 1: in the DS press release, uh, they listed some croc
Speaker 1: avoidance measures for this particular area, the first which basically says,
Speaker 1: as soon they're everywhere and don't go in the water,
Speaker 1: assume you'll be attacked by a croc. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: you know, this was sort of a quick hit, um,
Speaker 1: something I assumed our listeners would be, uh be interested in.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you've listened to our campfire stories,
Speaker 1: you know here a meat eater. We always like a
Speaker 1: good tale of survival against the odds. Several fingers work too.
Speaker 1: We like anything any sort of parts removed from the
Speaker 1: from the person we're all about here. If you've got
Speaker 1: a great survival story, feel free to send that in.
Speaker 1: But anyhow, the sudden ever sets on a badass, and
Speaker 1: all of us here at bent which are crock fighting
Speaker 1: pal a speedy recovery. You're right, I'm always all right
Speaker 1: when I'm with you, Dundee. Anyway, so you had a
Speaker 1: quick hit there, and I'm gonna have a couple of
Speaker 1: quick hits because full disclosure, I'm I'm calling it a
Speaker 1: fairly slow news week here, and I kind of had
Speaker 1: a feeling you'd grabbed that story and it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like the best the best piece
Speaker 1: of SLAMMI on the charcouterie board this week, and you
Speaker 1: had the lead. So here's what I'm gonna do, right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna double down and I'm gonna hit two follow
Speaker 1: ups very very quickly. Both of these are listener prompted,
Speaker 1: but I think we need to do them. So we'll
Speaker 1: start in Pennsylvania and dropped by to see the old
Speaker 1: Hillbilly surf and turf pit master himself, Richard the Breeze Nicholson.
Speaker 1: You guys remember the breeze, right, I know you remember
Speaker 1: the breeze. We love the breeze. Yeah, it wasn't that
Speaker 1: long ago. Yeah right. Anyway, in case you missed it,
Speaker 1: late October, he yanked an eight point one pound walleye
Speaker 1: out of the Yakagani River, n p A using a
Speaker 1: live chub delivered on a noodle rod, and we covered
Speaker 1: this story right after it happened. At the time, the
Speaker 1: fish was pending state record status. Well it's been certified,
Speaker 1: and now the Breeze is officially the new king dog
Speaker 1: of p A walleye fishing and I think that's awesome
Speaker 1: because you and I talked about how satisfying it was
Speaker 1: to have that forty one year old standing record overtaken
Speaker 1: by a bank fisherman. Like the breeze, it's just so good.
Speaker 1: It's so good. And you see like that kind of
Speaker 1: thing also in like White Dale hunting or whatever, when
Speaker 1: like a kid, you know, sitting on a bucket on
Speaker 1: opening day shoots like a mega high thousand. It's just
Speaker 1: like a nice underdogar. Yeah, I love that ship. Take
Speaker 1: that side scan sonar anyway, Um, so good for him.
Speaker 1: I'm happy for him. I really mean that because it
Speaker 1: was a fun story. But furthermore, you may recall that
Speaker 1: the breeze was pretty much sharpening the filet knife. He
Speaker 1: was honing it to just a fine edge, uh, and
Speaker 1: was about to start cutting when his son suggested, Hey,
Speaker 1: like maybe we shouldn't cut that up right away because
Speaker 1: it could be a record. So now it's certified and
Speaker 1: and the breeze. He wants to eat this fish badly.
Speaker 1: And I'm under the impression, per the news story, that
Speaker 1: it's been frozen whole since it was caught in October.
Speaker 1: Because here's what the story says. The new story. Nicholson
Speaker 1: is planning to have the fish mounted and hoping the
Speaker 1: taxidermists can save the meat. Quote. I want to have
Speaker 1: a Walleye party, he said about enjoying eating what he catches.
Speaker 1: It would be a shame to waste all that meat.
Speaker 1: First of all, I want to go to that party,
Speaker 1: like the Breeze family record walle I wrap up party,
Speaker 1: because that's gonna be a scream. The second, well, I appreciate,
Speaker 1: I appreciate all that. Like I don't know, man, I
Speaker 1: feel like I know just enough about how skin mount
Speaker 1: fish taxidermy works to say that getting the skin mount
Speaker 1: and the meat is a long shot. That's that's I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not really sure. What I would say is
Speaker 1: Breeze eat the fish. You want to so badly stuff
Speaker 1: that thing and roasted on a spit. Get a replicam mount. Right,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not skin but get a replica mount. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they look better long term too, dude, I have a
Speaker 1: walleye here that's a skin mount. Long story, but it's
Speaker 1: like melting off the wall, like it's just like drips
Speaker 1: oil onto the floor. Anyway, or may I suggest that
Speaker 1: the Breeze get autaku print, even though so many people
Speaker 1: make them, I'm not even sure that's cool anymore. Anyways,
Speaker 1: the Japanese fish print on the rice paper like a
Speaker 1: million years ago, it was like special. It was like,
Speaker 1: you know, the one dude who could do the Bond's
Speaker 1: eye tree, and now like you could pick up a
Speaker 1: Bond's eye tree at the CBS. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, So anyway, moving on, and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: right now, I'm hitting this very fast because it's beating
Speaker 1: a dead horse, like literally horse meat might actually be involved. Um,
Speaker 1: but I'm doing this because I deliver what the bent
Speaker 1: listeners want. Okay. So second little story here. Just when
Speaker 1: way thought it cleared up that whole thing about their
Speaker 1: tuna not being tuna, a new round of testing says, uh,
Speaker 1: not only is it not tuna, there may actually be
Speaker 1: no seafood in it whatsoever. One of the and this
Speaker 1: is one of the same women that started this whole
Speaker 1: class action lawsuit UM and Lost has re stoked the fires,
Speaker 1: claiming a new study says the quote tuna the tuna
Speaker 1: contains animal proteins such as chicken, pork, and cattle, and
Speaker 1: not the advertised on tuna, to which I say, I
Speaker 1: still do not care. Okay, you throw some Southwest sauce
Speaker 1: on some pork and cattle protein and that's delicious. So
Speaker 1: you know, a million people sent this to me, and
Speaker 1: here's what I say. Basically, all this proves is that
Speaker 1: subway tuna is kind of like a loose hot dog,
Speaker 1: like like a pre hardened hot dog. I'm saying, your
Speaker 1: face right now is great because I know what we
Speaker 1: know how much you love kid. Dude. When you said
Speaker 1: last time that you don't like can tuna, a million
Speaker 1: people sent me all these pictures like, well he doesn't
Speaker 1: know about this organic one and this one, and you
Speaker 1: were like, I don't I don't care if, like I
Speaker 1: don't care if the Queen of England caught this tuna
Speaker 1: and it was played by her like private fishmongers. I'm
Speaker 1: not eating that ship. It has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the quality of it. I just don't like it. So look,
Speaker 1: we all know you hunt and you eat a lot
Speaker 1: of wild game, but do you ever just like buy
Speaker 1: yourself a pack of Nathan's hot dogs? Like will you
Speaker 1: just eat like a hot dog like a dirty water
Speaker 1: cart dog from Philly? Yeah, I mean, like you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm somewhere where the opportunity to eat a hot
Speaker 1: dog like presents itself. You know, I'm not gonna be like, no, sir,
Speaker 1: I don't eat hot dogs, you know. And in the
Speaker 1: same yeah, I don't know. Man, leave me the gloane.
Speaker 1: It's a simple question. Do you eat hot dogs occasionally?
Speaker 1: It's not something I seek out. Okay, that's fine. My
Speaker 1: point is that, like, what the It's just like if
Speaker 1: you're schemed out about this tuna because it might have
Speaker 1: these chicken, cattle and pork whatever proteins in them, but
Speaker 1: you mean better about the tuna. There you go. I
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking the same thing. It's like, we
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was, and now at least we know,
Speaker 1: and it's the same thing in your average hot dog.
Speaker 1: If somebody calmed down, if somebody was like, do you
Speaker 1: want to eat this tuna that's not tuna? I would
Speaker 1: be more inclined to eat that than somebody going, do
Speaker 1: you want to eat this tuna that is tuna? Fair enough? Finally,
Speaker 1: last thought on this, okay, and this is true words
Speaker 1: right here. I vowed to never bring this up again.
Speaker 1: This is the last time we're doing subway Tuna. And
Speaker 1: here's why, a little open letter to Subway. I have
Speaker 1: devoted so much air time to standing next to you
Speaker 1: through this entire ordeal. Like I have defended you're hot
Speaker 1: dog Tuna for months. Have you said thanks, like reached out?
Speaker 1: How about a code I can pass along to the
Speaker 1: Bent listeners for one free tuna sandwich in a bag
Speaker 1: of in Son ships. No, nothing, So that's it. I
Speaker 1: will continue to consume your products, but I will not
Speaker 1: defend you on this podcast here anymore. Issue closed, Best
Speaker 1: of luck with the legal proceedings. Haydn, you had anything
Speaker 1: to say about that before we kick it over to Phil. No, no, man,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. If we do get that Subway plug,
Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know it's all going to black
Speaker 1: forest him for me. Hidden will just have the Italian
Speaker 1: b MT. Anyway, Uh, Phil, a lot of stuff on
Speaker 1: the menu here. We kind of threw you off with
Speaker 1: a bunch of quick hits. We'll see what Phil liked
Speaker 1: this week, and then we are going to do a
Speaker 1: sale bin where we get to meet up with a
Speaker 1: dear old friend Joe. Thank you for the updates. I
Speaker 1: appreciate them, really, I do, I mean spread some of
Speaker 1: that breeze on a subway too. Now I'll be a
Speaker 1: happy man. But unfortunately you came in with two stories technically,
Speaker 1: and frankly that seems a bit unfair. It's not in
Speaker 1: the spirit of fish news. Sort of like bringing a
Speaker 1: gun to a uh you know. So, Hayden, you're the
Speaker 1: winner and shouts to the guy in Australia getting stabby
Speaker 1: with the crocodile. I hope you feel better soon. Frankly,
Speaker 1: you're the most badass thing to come out of Australia
Speaker 1: since Bluey and your parents out there with a Disney
Speaker 1: Plus subscription know what I'm talking about. Are out of
Speaker 1: Bluey and find out Why did you put the hand
Speaker 1: to pave You don't know what I'm getting, man, You
Speaker 1: didn't have to be so hurtful with me so angry.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for this sale, bin because it's not really
Speaker 1: about a new item for sale. Rather, we're just checking
Speaker 1: in with an old friend, if you will. It's like
Speaker 1: a it's like a where are they now? Um? And
Speaker 1: here's how this all came about. So I was trout
Speaker 1: fishing up in North Jersey not long ago, um, and
Speaker 1: just a few days prior we had like I'm major
Speaker 1: rain event out here, and all the rivers shot up,
Speaker 1: like serious flooding we're talking about, you know, a really
Speaker 1: small narrow river kicked up well above two thousand cfs
Speaker 1: for like a day and a half. Right, So I
Speaker 1: show up right after the drop, and I'm walking along
Speaker 1: and come upon a canoe that is pretty destroyed, right, Like,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just crumpled um. And you can tell
Speaker 1: when this thing came down from where wherever it started
Speaker 1: in this flood, I get t bone many trees in
Speaker 1: the process. So I immediately thought of Jerry, the Craigslist
Speaker 1: canoe salesman, the same Jerry that's ultimately responsible for our
Speaker 1: Billy wants a shotgun stickers, you know, Hayden wants a
Speaker 1: Billy wants the shotgun sticker. I still haven't got ye. Damn,
Speaker 1: that's horrible of me. I yeah, okay, I'll remedy that.
Speaker 1: So I remember like listening to these and I remember
Speaker 1: being suggested that you go visit Jerry and look at
Speaker 1: his canoes and have a cup of tea with him,
Speaker 1: because he lives really close to you, right he does.
Speaker 1: He lives right down the road. Um. And and as
Speaker 1: you pointed out, Yeah, Jerry ends every post about the
Speaker 1: current canoe for sale inviting you to come over, buy
Speaker 1: a canoe and have a cup of tea with us. Um,
Speaker 1: And we concluded that that Jerry really, you know, he
Speaker 1: wants a friend more than anything. Um, And he never
Speaker 1: posts a photo. You only get a text description and
Speaker 1: they are just wonderfully written. And the original Jerry sale
Speaker 1: bins ran in I think episode thirty five and forty,
Speaker 1: so we're going back aways and I kind of thought
Speaker 1: maybe a bunch of the Bent listeners forgot about old
Speaker 1: Jerry until I posted that shot of that beat up
Speaker 1: canoe and said Jerry would have this fixed up and
Speaker 1: on Craig's list of no time. Well I was wrong, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: you guys did not forget about Jerry. Here are a
Speaker 1: few of my favorite comments. Um, you have all winner
Speaker 1: to turn that in the next year's Doss Boat with Jerry,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna need a lot of team Okay, that
Speaker 1: was good. That's a fun one. Here's another one I
Speaker 1: like a lot. I think Jerry would pull that baby
Speaker 1: straight with a telephone pole and a truck, then have
Speaker 1: a damn good story about stopping traffic while doing it probably. Uh.
Speaker 1: Somebody else said I think Billy would take a shotgun
Speaker 1: over that canoe any day. Um. Another one said, see
Speaker 1: what happens when Billy doesn't get a shotgun? So all
Speaker 1: different approaches, you know, I didn't the one about Billy
Speaker 1: wanting a shotgun also kind of get like a little
Speaker 1: a little bit dark and suggestive. If he gets the shotgun,
Speaker 1: something real terrible is gonna happen. Yeah, like he's gonna
Speaker 1: kill people. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure I did
Speaker 1: say that. But this is fine literature, Hayden that Jerry
Speaker 1: is writing. Jerry is a master of Craigslist prose um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the response to my canoe photo got me wondering, is
Speaker 1: Jerry still selling? What's Jerry up to? Is there maybe
Speaker 1: a fresh Jerry post? And wouldn't you know it, there was.
Speaker 1: Jerry was active just in October um and up for grabs.
Speaker 1: This round is an old town tripper Royal X for
Speaker 1: four and I read, Hey, I've been away for a while.
Speaker 1: I was on a sign in and a bunch of
Speaker 1: sports illustrated swimsuit models captured me and used me as
Speaker 1: a love slave over an extended period of time. All Right,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jerry. I used this canoe to make my escape
Speaker 1: after a float by the volcanoes of the Canary Islands.
Speaker 1: I washed up in Strathmere, New Jersey. This canoe is
Speaker 1: the Royal X version with the original factory skids. It
Speaker 1: is seventeen feet long. It's in pretty good shape. The
Speaker 1: seeds could use a canning. This is a very rare
Speaker 1: piece and highly sought after. So uh, Jerry, Jerry is
Speaker 1: dating himself yet again, because I mean, is the Sports
Speaker 1: Illustrated Swimsuit issue even a thing anymore? Like? Is s
Speaker 1: I in print? Or did that die with pretty much
Speaker 1: all the rest of the print mags? You know, dude,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Maybe fair fair? I yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know either. I don't do sports. Um, but
Speaker 1: I'll date myself as well by saying that when I
Speaker 1: think of the SI Swimsuit issue, I still think of
Speaker 1: Kathy Ireland and when I was in the fifth grade,
Speaker 1: getting an SI swimsuit issue was the closest you came
Speaker 1: at that point to just like getting porn. It was
Speaker 1: a big deal, you know. I guess if we're like
Speaker 1: talking about like generational U S I swimsuit, you know,
Speaker 1: cover models I tend to think of like Kate Upton,
Speaker 1: like that was like high school. And I assume you
Speaker 1: don't know who Kathy Ireland is. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: nowadays I think she has a beautiful line of throw
Speaker 1: rugs at Home Goods or something like that. The you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of loved the rest of this post. I
Speaker 1: read the post. When you send it over manum and
Speaker 1: you want to finish it, you want to? You want to,
Speaker 1: you want to bring it home? Yes, by all means,
Speaker 1: bring it home. Tell him what else Jared had to say? Okay,
Speaker 1: you contin use. If you have an interest in this canoe,
Speaker 1: go to your research, look it up on the web.
Speaker 1: This can do is a collector's item, but I could
Speaker 1: care less. I would be happy to see someone just
Speaker 1: using it. The weather has war and it's tea time again,
Speaker 1: so stop on by, have a look. I still have
Speaker 1: several other canoes about. Come, sit talk. Imagine yourself and
Speaker 1: the person you love drifting down Sylvian Sylvan's Sylvan Sylvian
Speaker 1: Sylvan Sylvan and drifting across a for million sea. Call
Speaker 1: me or text me or send a semaphore code piece
Speaker 1: be upon you what Jerry, Yeah, Jerry always manages to
Speaker 1: throw at least one term in there that I have
Speaker 1: to look up. In one of these, he used dause
Speaker 1: light and I was calling people dause lights for a
Speaker 1: while after that. Nobody knew it. But this time I
Speaker 1: had to look up semaphore, um, since he asked for
Speaker 1: a semaphore code, and a semaphore is any apparatus used
Speaker 1: for visual signaling, whether it be with fire lights, flags, sunlight,
Speaker 1: or moving arms. So semaphore. That's like kind of like
Speaker 1: your word of the week right there. All right? Go,
Speaker 1: uh well, hey, look man, the next time I come
Speaker 1: back out east, which should be soon for the holidays, uh,
Speaker 1: let's go visit Jerry together. Man, we should. You know,
Speaker 1: I would actually be more open to that, just in
Speaker 1: case Jerry actually has a shotgun. At least i'd have backup.
Speaker 1: But I'm truth truly, I'm betting Jerry's actually a very
Speaker 1: good guy, um, and he would probably really appreciate a
Speaker 1: billy wants a shotgun sticker. He has no idea any
Speaker 1: of this is happening, right, Just three times now he's
Speaker 1: been featured on the fishing podcast bent Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll give him a sticker. Maybe we even record with Jerry.
Speaker 1: We'll bring a couple of mikes and have a cup
Speaker 1: of tea, you know what I mean. Yeah, man, I'm
Speaker 1: all about it. We can do it. Um, And I'm
Speaker 1: i gotta say, man, I'm so happy to have been
Speaker 1: a part of an official Jerry sale Bin post. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's an honor, isn't it. I feel as if I'm
Speaker 1: in hallowed ground in uh the circle of you know,
Speaker 1: bent illustrious folks. Anyhow, this is a friendly reminder that
Speaker 1: we rely on you guys, is to let us know
Speaker 1: what kind of weird, wacky fishing ship you're finding on
Speaker 1: your favorite online classified forums. And when you find a
Speaker 1: post is particularly good, send link to Ben at the
Speaker 1: meat Eater dot com because Billy wants to make more
Speaker 1: fun of people's attempts to make a profit. A man,
Speaker 1: it was good to hear from Jerry again. That was
Speaker 1: That was probably the least controversial Jerry post yet. Um.
Speaker 1: He didn't encourage giving kids guns or smoking while canoeing
Speaker 1: down some whitewater in this one, So you know, no,
Speaker 1: I guess that's like one Jerry that we've talked about
Speaker 1: on this podcast is encouraging smoking of anything. But if
Speaker 1: thank you. If you want some controversy, I could provide it. Oh,
Speaker 1: how's that with an end of the line segment about
Speaker 1: something that is both like revered and hated and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say completely misunderstood and also catches more trout than
Speaker 1: pretty much any fly. You and I or anybody else
Speaker 1: do that matter? Good tie m. I have guesses. I
Speaker 1: could guess, but I won't. Well, good this Uh, this
Speaker 1: also sort of fits our tattoo theme because you have
Speaker 1: to poke it with a sharp object. Well, that's not
Speaker 1: loud enough. If you're like of other fishermen, particularly fly fishermen,
Speaker 1: Alaska is somewhere on your bucket list. If you ask
Speaker 1: an angler what they think of when they envision Alaska,
Speaker 1: you'll find a lot of the same images and species
Speaker 1: repeating Salmon runs so dense you could walk across the
Speaker 1: river on the backs of silvers and kings you know,
Speaker 1: Dolly Varden, longer than your arm and painted up like
Speaker 1: clowns and their full spawning regalia, steelhead of mythical proportions
Speaker 1: and their resident rainbow counterparts. Back flipping and cart wheeling
Speaker 1: out of the river, and sore shoulders from spending all
Speaker 1: days swinging flies, catching fish after fish, experiencing arguably the
Speaker 1: greatest cold water fishing the world has to offer. There's
Speaker 1: a little bit of an open secret in these rivers,
Speaker 1: almost as omnipresident as the fish we target, and it's
Speaker 1: as effective as it is divisive. My friends, that secret
Speaker 1: is the trout bead. Now, before we wade into the
Speaker 1: controversy surrounding the fishing of beads, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: beads themselves. For the uninitiated, a trout beat is a
Speaker 1: small spherical bead pegged with a toothpick about two inches
Speaker 1: above a bear hook. Beads can be fished on any briggs, spin,
Speaker 1: centerpin or fly. At first glance, the bead is pretty
Speaker 1: cut and dry. I mean it's literally just around beads,
Speaker 1: similar to the thousands of beads you'd find at the
Speaker 1: hobby lobby. In fact, I'm sure some anglers buy beads
Speaker 1: at the hobby lobby because there is an entire subculture
Speaker 1: dedicated to bead fishing that is as fanatical about colors,
Speaker 1: weight sizes, and hues as dry fly fishermen are trying
Speaker 1: to pick out that perfect shade of done for their quill.
Speaker 1: Gordon's All beads are not created equal, however, and anglers
Speaker 1: are fiercely devoted to their preferences glass versus plastic, peach
Speaker 1: verse orange, six millimeter or eight millimeter bead specific companies
Speaker 1: have made fortunes selling beads crafted with jealously guarded secret
Speaker 1: formulas for just the right color, sheen, and molting. You'll
Speaker 1: find grown men hoarding help polish, like teenage girls scouring
Speaker 1: pharmacies and makeup counters in their free time, looking for
Speaker 1: that perfect shade of red, pink, orange, or even blue
Speaker 1: for the all important blood dot. Now onto the controversy.
Speaker 1: We're not going to dive into whether or not it's
Speaker 1: fly fishing. That's between you, the fish, and a higher power.
Speaker 1: The real controversy is how the fish is hooked. To
Speaker 1: understand this, we first need to understand how a bead
Speaker 1: rig works. As I mentioned, a bead rig is a
Speaker 1: bear hook with a bead pegged about two inches up
Speaker 1: the leader. When the fish bites the bead, the angler
Speaker 1: sets the hook, and that hook, which is dangling outside
Speaker 1: the fish's mouth, is pulled into the outside corner of
Speaker 1: their jaw. Here's why that's controversial. Many people see the
Speaker 1: placement of that hook set outside the mouth and immediately
Speaker 1: equate that is evidence that this is no more than
Speaker 1: a legal means to floss or snag fish. Go ahead
Speaker 1: and search is bead fishing ethical on Google, and you'll
Speaker 1: find forums filled with heated eight page arguments between anglers
Speaker 1: debating the issue. I would argue that bead fishing is
Speaker 1: not floss ng or snagging for one simple reason. The
Speaker 1: fish has to voluntarily bite the bead in order to
Speaker 1: hook themselves. From my perspective, that alone settles the debate.
Speaker 1: Sporting ethics society, you'll often hear folks argue that beads
Speaker 1: are somehow damaging to the fish. Beads are deadly effective.
Speaker 1: But if there's one thing they're not, it's deadly. If
Speaker 1: you're into fish and catch and release, beads could very
Speaker 1: well be the most ethical tool at your disposal. Because
Speaker 1: the bead is pegged a few inches above the hook,
Speaker 1: the fish can inhale it without the danger of being
Speaker 1: hooked deeply. The hook set pulls the hook into the
Speaker 1: outside corner of its mouth, not into its gullet. Not
Speaker 1: only does this save the fish from having its gills
Speaker 1: ripped apart by a deeply taken yet apparently more ethical
Speaker 1: glow bug. It also saves a fish from the difficult
Speaker 1: hook removals that often come with a deep take. In
Speaker 1: fisheries where significant cold is a factor, like Great Lake
Speaker 1: steelhead fisheries, for instance, this can save a fish from
Speaker 1: flash frozen gills. It's simply easier to remove a hook
Speaker 1: from the outside corner of the steelhead's mouth without taking
Speaker 1: it out of the water. Now you might be thinking
Speaker 1: to yourself that I'm some sort of bead fishing evangelists.
Speaker 1: You may be surprised to know that I've only ever
Speaker 1: fished beads a handful at times. Unfortunately, I'm cursed with
Speaker 1: a bug for tieing bugs and plagued by the compulsion
Speaker 1: to use them. That said, I fished with many, many
Speaker 1: centerpin spin and fly anglers who all use beads. I've
Speaker 1: netted well over a hundred bead caught steel head, and
Speaker 1: in all that time, there are two things that I've seen,
Speaker 1: very very rarely, a deeply hooked fish or a fish
Speaker 1: hooked more than an inch or two from its mouth. Sorry,
Speaker 1: fly guys, I'll be the first to admit that I've
Speaker 1: pulled a lot of pheasant tales and soccer spawn from
Speaker 1: peck fins. H Yes, the bad debate, whether or not
Speaker 1: we all agree one day remains to be seen. But
Speaker 1: as long as there are people catching fish, they're going
Speaker 1: to be folks complaining about how they're going about it.
Speaker 1: Are you a big guy feverishly painting until the wee
Speaker 1: hours of the morning while you gear up for your
Speaker 1: next steal head trip? Are you a fly fishing purist
Speaker 1: who thinks of beats for the undoing of everything a
Speaker 1: sportsman stands for. Whatever your position, be sure to drop
Speaker 1: us a note at bent at the meat eater dot
Speaker 1: com letting us know where you stand on the bad
Speaker 1: debate and if, perhaps for the first time, a beat
Speaker 1: ends up at the end of your line. So that's
Speaker 1: it for this week. A few things to keep in
Speaker 1: mind if you're studying the flash wall and deciding what
Speaker 1: to get in to trout beads with a toothpick between
Speaker 1: them might not translate properly. A full body Cathy Ireland
Speaker 1: tattoo is fine, but you're not allowed to do that
Speaker 1: unless you've seen necessary roughness. Dan Santro isn't sure how
Speaker 1: to spell the name of the fly shop. He co
Speaker 1: owns and Hayden Samic wants you to tell him what
Speaker 1: fish he should get emblazoned on his upper rib cage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm extremely open to ideas or maybe sort of open
Speaker 1: to ideas. Um, And you could go right ahead and
Speaker 1: send those two bent at the meat eator dot com
Speaker 1: along with your awkward photos. Sale bin items bar nominations
Speaker 1: of voice memos and favorite nail polished colors for your
Speaker 1: favorite trout beads nets toss by my d