WEBVTT - Ep. 67: Billy Wants A Trout Bead Neck Tat 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:09.240 A little open letter to Subway. I have devoted so 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:13.480 much airtime to standing next to you through this entire ordeal. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.479 Within like a couple of pages, Irak mentions Artisanal I P. A. S. 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:19.079 And the Grateful Dead, and I was like, this is 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.239 the Rosetta Stone, this is the Genesis story. If I'm 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.120 being totally honest, suckers or just things I think might 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:28.680 be trout until they're not. He didn't encourage giving kids 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.720 guns or smoking while canoeing down some white water in 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:36.280 this one, So you know, good morning, degenerate anglers, and 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.760 welcome to Ben the fishing podcast that forgot the eye 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.960 before e rule when it got the word believe tattooed 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.879 below the giant muskie that was already inked on its 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.720 lower back. I'm Joe Surmelli and I'm Hayden Samac And 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.880 whenever I see a misspelled tattoo, it makes me wonder 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.880 if the client is always right and like insisted on 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.480 the spelling, or if like just tattoo artists in general 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.880 or not eight spellers right. I've always kind of wondered 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.280 the same thing, like even if you're not hooked on phonics, 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:07.320 like does nobody run the spell check you know what 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:11.639 I'm saying. Uh. Anyway, if you if you haven't already guessed, 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.399 our permanent solution to a loose theme this week is tats. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.559 Fish tats specifically, um and I have some, but before 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.640 we discuss those, you sir have a lot more ink 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.920 than I do. But are any of them? Is there 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:30.200 any fish on your person? Uh? No, I know, no, 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.679 there's not. I do have like a as far as 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.959 outdoor tattoos go, I do have like a pleasant tattoo 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.039 on my arm, and I have something ok antlers, I 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:43.440 have an arrow going through a sparrow on my wrist. 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.240 And uh, I will go on record now and say 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.680 I have so many tattoos that I really just kind 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:54.120 of don't give a shit anymore. And you're that guy, 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.840 and yeah, well, I mean you know, uh, I might 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:02.960 might be talked in to getting some fish inc in 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.400 the future in the name of ben. Oh. Careful, I 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:10.000 like it, be careful right, fun with it. I mean, dude, 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:11.720 I wasn't gonna give you a hard time about not 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.600 having a fish tat. I will, look, I will give 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.080 people a hard time about lots of things, but not 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.119 tattoos because they are personal, like I would never say 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.920 I'm pretty sure you never shot a bull elk, Like 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.320 that would be a dick move. I wouldn't do that 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:36.320 to you, you know, but it's not me. I wanted 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.920 some sort of big game tattoo. Man, this was back 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:43.200 in like I don't know, uh, you know, elk candlers 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:47.160 are just a lot more like graphically appealing than I 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.640 think a white tail rack. I couldn't quite figure that, right, 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:51.679 All right, there you go. I mean, like you don't 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:55.880 really need any validation. Um, but you've also hinted to 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:57.959 me in the past that that you you might have 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:02.440 some ink you regret lightly, which I can identify with 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.320 because I do. But like with an asterisk, okay, like 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:08.280 as it goes with many youths, like you can't get 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.080 inked fast enough when you turn eighteen. And my mom, 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.720 who is awesome, was even willing to pay for my 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.240 first tattoo. And I wanted something music related, and my 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:21.160 dad was like, listen, I know you're into playing that hard, 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.480 screaming garbage shit right now, but you might not always be. 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.359 But you've always loved fishing, and you've always loved sharks. 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.040 And he was right, right, he was right, So I 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.880 got a great white instead. But being in such a 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.600 rush and having a limited budget, like my mom wasn't 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.240 like whatever it costs, She's like, you got three hundred 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.960 bucks or whatever. I just pulled one off the wall, 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.520 And I've seen the same shark on the wall in 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.000 every tattoo shop I've been in since, so like kind 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.280 of more than being representative of my love of sharks 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.120 and fishing, it morphed into more of an homage to 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.360 just being eighteen and in a hurry, you know what 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.000 I mean. Like I don't hate it, but it was 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:02.040 chosen in haste. I'll say that first off. Talking about 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.400 like the just pulling one off the wall a lot 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.760 of times, like that's kind of a cool way to 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:11.520 get tattooed because you're kind of participating in like a 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.800 cannon of tattooing, you know what I mean, Like that 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.599 that piece of flash like kind of becomes iconic and 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.400 it's kind of like a way to I don't know, 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.159 you you find that mostly in people who are like 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.040 collecting tattoos, like in a big way. But I don't 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.320 think there's anything wrong with that, man, now, I know 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.320 there's now, But I was just like that one you 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.360 know what I mean, Like I'm like, there's nothing special 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.200 about it or something. You know. Yeah, well, let me 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:40.000 tell you this. Some of my earliest tattoos weren't that way, 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.799 and I kind of wish that they were. For instance, 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.160 like the very first tattoo that I ever got was 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.599 an arrow on my forearm, and that's because I grew 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.960 up like archery hunting, and I thought that was pretty neat. 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:57.920 Then about like a year or two later, I don't 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.839 know if it's because like pinch Rist or some ship, 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.719 every white girl on the planet got an arrow tattoo 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.839 exactly in the same spot you need to go back 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:15.279 to move forward, in the same exact spot as I had. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.880 So I actually, like I ended up putting a snake 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.480 around it like three years later, just to make it 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.240 look a little bit you can see you back in 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.080 like bro, put a snaker on this, put a snaker 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.479 on this dude, and not only that man, but like 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.320 it's so common. Again, we're gonna talk about Chester Floyd 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:36.200 in the office here. He has an almost identical tattoo 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:40.440 on his forearm arrow, same spot. Fair enough, fair enough, 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.880 and at least I will I will say this though, right, Um, 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.520 I haven't seen my shark on other people. I've seen 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.480 the flash in the other tattoo polars, but I haven't 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.840 seen it on someone else anyway. So you only spent 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:53.880 a couple of years before you got your second. I 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.080 didn't get any more ail. I was twenty seven. It 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.200 was from my one year wedding anniversary. My wife, who 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.400 had no tattoo, was wanted one. So that's what we did. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.200 And she got you know, tiny flower on her foot 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.000 and I got a big brown trout and striper crossing 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.160 over an outline of jersey on my leg. At that time, 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.880 I had a buddy draw it. Now, in hindsight, could 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.599 it still have been drawn better? Yes? Right At the 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.680 time though, I was like, bro, you're the best tattoo 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.240 drawer I've ever seen. Um, But at least it's a 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.040 one of a kind, and I still like it, So 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.000 I'm not no no regrets, no regrets, you know what 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.960 I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, recently, uh, my girlfriend asked if 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.840 she could draw a tattoo for me to go get 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:40.520 and the answer is absolutely not for sure, no, Um, 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.720 you know, it's kind of common. Um. But but even 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:48.040 even though it's like sort of maybe shitty tattoos are 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.040 a lot of fun. Yeah, they can be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.600 So I one time I let my buddies like Apprentice 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.200 do a mountain seat on my leg when she was 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.920 still like kind of learning how to tattoo. And it's 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:04.159 easily the worst tattoo that I have. It looks like 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:09.400 an orange over like two ice cubes. But when I 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.320 say it, like, it makes me laugh. After you get 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.240 like enough tattoos, you kind of stopped caring so much 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.040 and they just kind of become these things that, as 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.080 you said, with your tattoo mark a certain time in 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:25.920 your life or whatever and remembrance. Yeah, yeah, you remember 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:31.640 more when than like why if that makes sense. Yeah. 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:33.800 Once you have, however many though, you kind of get 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.240 into that like why not zone. I have somebodies who 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.240 would like describe themselves as maybe like addicted to getting tattoos, 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.800 but I don't really get that. Yeah, and I know 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.040 it can be very addictive. I never caught the bug. 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.000 I like, right now, I have no desire for more 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.880 than what I have, but I still love tattoos. I 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.920 follow so many tattoo artists and um, I know so 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.520 many that specialized in fish and I'm like a man, 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.840 where were you? Why couldn't I know you when I 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.280 was twenty seven? You know, but you can't. You can't 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.560 beat yourself up over that. You really shouldn't beat yourself 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.600 up over any tat because as long as it means 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.960 something to you, it's all good. Um. I will say 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.080 that the only thing I could never fully get behind 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:13.040 and figure out, uh was getting a gear brand logo. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.160 And like I get teams, I get, you know, even 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.560 a band, but not like brands that just sell things 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.360 like Adidas or case kse Swiss or something like that. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.640 And I'm sorry if that's offensive to anybody to teach 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.640 their own. That's just like one segment of tattoos I 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:32.240 never quite got. Yeah, man, um, I was thinking personally 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.679 about getting like the first light logo like a little 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:40.080 tear drop under my eye, then keep adding another one 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:44.160 for every mule deer I shot or something going on 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:48.520 some outdoors gangster ship not But like, I don't know, 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.160 I don't get the brand logos at all. I think 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.760 it's sort of weird. Yeah, like yeah, come on, you know, 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.640 don't get the g loom is fish bones, ain'ked on yourself? 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.760 You know, like the smarter thing to do, would beat 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.680 a get the logo of our sponsors thirteen Fishing tattooed 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.840 on your neck. I think that's pretty obvious, you know, Yeah, 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.600 I mean all of my logo hatred said, I will 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:14.080 mentioned that I have a full thirteen Fishing back piece 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.239 being drawn up right now. It's got like spin rods 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.960 and fishing. But there's like a bass jumping out of 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.080 the ice as if there were no ice at all. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.600 It really makes a lot of sense. It's really well 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.200 thought out. It's gonna be beautiful. The tag Marson's gonna 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.320 hate it, yeah, don't you? Also, you have them an 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.960 appointment to get their logo branded on you too as well, right, 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.960 It's I wouldn't It's not like an appointment per se. 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:43.440 My buddy was gonna like bend a wire hanger and yeah, yeah, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.520 there's a hack for all you crazy kids out there. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.600 You go, and we thought about doing the thirteen logo, 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.720 but decided to go with one of their their flash 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.120 bangs instead. I was gonna get it like right on 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.280 my ribs, kind of oh man, that the code hanger. 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.240 That's how they did it in Notre Dame High School 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.920 circuit tooth thousand one. When did I graduate something like that? Anyway, 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.360 that's a great choice. Um, that's that's a great spoon 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.160 on the ice as well, since this is not weird, 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.080 the rattle chamber is built right into those and there's 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.160 an integrated glow stick that lasts for hours. It might 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.160 last for hours, man, but it's probably not gonna last 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.520 as long as the pain from that branding iron or 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:26.000 branding iron probably not oh man. Anyway, keeping with our 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.440 skin and fishing theme, we're about to hit our covering 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.240 water segment with a man that is arguably one of 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.440 the best and most sought after tattoo artists in the country. 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:39.040 He specializes in fish. He's also a serious fish head. 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.960 He also co owns a fly shop and um Hayden 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.000 borrowed a bunch of fly time ship from during the 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.720 height of the COVID pandemic. I'm going in, I can 0:10:47.760 --> 0:11:01.040 hold it. I'm okay, So we're you're here with my 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:06.000 pal Dan Santro uh. Dan is a renowned tattoo artist 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.360 and is considered one of the best fish tattoo artists 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:14.840 currently out there. Although it's not like how you would traditionally, 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.400 it's not like hyper realism or something like that, but 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:21.440 it's kind of hard to put your finger on. Thank you, Dan, 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:26.199 How like, how would you describe it? Um as? I mean, stylistically, 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.560 it just kind of falls in line with how I 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.880 believe tattoos should be applied. It's not so much that 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.160 I think it looks cool, although I do, but a 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.360 lot of it is done for kind of like utility reasons. Yes, 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.800 you would say, like the hallmarks your style are like 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:45.160 kind of bold and you know, hard lines and correct. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.560 Dan's too humble to say this, but I'm gonna make 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.240 him a little bit uncomfortable here. Dan and his work 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:54.400 have been featured on the Vice Network, fly Lords, in 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.360 countless tattoo books, magazines, and a whole bunch of other 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:02.800 spots in the dark web. Dan is also a super 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:07.480 fishy dude and recently has become the co founder and 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.480 co owner of house Fly with his partner Sean Whitman. 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.880 Now house Fly is a super cool fly shop in 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.319 northeast Pennsylvania the town of Holly. And that's actually spot 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.520 that when I was back on the East Coast, I 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.280 spent a ton of time fly Fish and Joe, You've 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.440 hit like the lack of wax and stuff. Yeah, well, 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.160 I was gonna say I have a leg up on 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.080 you because you're from here. But I've been there. I've 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.160 been to house Fly, and it's a it's a great 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.000 chop when I appreciate about what you guys are doing, 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:35.840 because I think it's more than a fly shop. I 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:37.880 get the sense you're trying to build a brand around it. 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.319 I mean all the branding, all every everything is super cool. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.200 I mean just the name house Fly is super cool. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.040 Great store, man, great store. Thank you. Yeah, and we 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.880 have another partner as well. It's Shawn myself and then 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.520 um there's Tim. Tim lives in Brooklyn, so he's not 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.360 here uh a lot. And Tim is a super important 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.439 part of the story and I think also a super 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:00.280 super important part of our even just like visual Addict. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.160 So yeah, it's it's the three of us. Unfortunately I'm 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.800 not here. I'm not here Ton either because I'm you know, 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.160 I have a day job tattooing. But Seawan is holding 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.280 down the fort. And then Tim is truly the man 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.560 behind the curtain in Brooklyn. So it's a it's an 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.040 eclectic shop. And I mean that in the best possible 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.040 way that I was in there and while you have 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.360 everything you need and more for local fishing, I was like, 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.520 I want one of those skateboards with the dance Santairo fish. 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.240 That's what I bought, the skateboard. Thank you guys. But great, 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.040 great story, Thank you. How how did you like kind 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.880 of become so well known for your fish tattoos in 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.200 particular because it is something you're like well known for 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.920 at this point. Um, you know, I don't really know. 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.240 I definitely was doing fish tattoos for years, even before 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:46.080 I was fly fishing. I was doing fishing tattoos just 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.760 because of just I just always dug it. And then 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.720 two thousand and eighteen, maybe it was nineteen, I don't 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.640 remember exactly, I did a thing where I gave half 0:13:55.720 --> 0:14:00.240 the money of every fish tattoo to a conservation group. 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:05.320 Did it Actually was kind of it was a little daunting. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.320 It was like a really fun project. I haven't got 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.160 creative with like who I would give the money to. 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.400 I was going, you know, it was basically giving it 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.320 to um, you know the blue chips in the beginning, 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.920 like you know, trout to limit or whatever. Yeah, So 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.280 if I did a striped bass tattoo, I was giving 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.480 it to Delaware Baykeeper or whatever, you know what I mean. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:26.440 I was like, that's a lot of work. Especially, it 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.560 was fun. It was fun. It's been like years and 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.640 I still get so much literature sent to my house, 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:36.960 but conservation literature. Yeah, I mean it was conservation literature 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:38.960 or just like hey remember us, you know. But like, 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.600 I really feel like that was a big push for 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.840 me and fishing tattoos, because I definitely tattooed people that 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.360 had never thought about getting tattooed before, but they were. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.320 They were referred to me through this kind of conservation project. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.080 So fast forward a couple of months after we met 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.640 COVID hit Actually wasn't even a couple of months. It 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.560 was a couple of weeks. Yeah, no, it's pretty fresh. Yeah. 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.320 Now my reaction to that happening was, you know, I 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.840 went and I grabbed my like then girlfriend, and we 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.280 shot up to this little cabin my folks had on 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.320 lake wall in paw Pack. And it turns out that 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.600 you lived directly across the lake from that cabin, and 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.240 you know, you and I got to chatting on the 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.560 old instance slam. I borrowed some fly time stuff from you, 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:24.800 and here we are a couple of years later. Oh, 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:31.080 I forgot about that. Yeah, with with a I think 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.640 they were with a Turkey I shot that year. You were. 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.920 I hazard to say, you were probably like one of 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.760 some of the first one of the first people I 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.240 saw since like Lockdown, like it was early. Did he 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:48.120 bleach off whatever he barreed with with No, I just 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.800 didn't give it back. I still have it. I still 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:59.680 have the nice you got plenty of flying swimming in it. Yeah, exactly, so. 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.600 I mean, so the ultimate reason we brought you here, man, 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.240 was to do this covering water segment with us. So 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.680 I'm gonna explain how that works. Right, So it's theoretically 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.960 an interview segment, except we do it a little different. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:13.640 What we've done here is Hayden and I have come 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.120 up with ten questions each that we're gonna rapid fire 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:18.800 at you and get through as many as we can 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.200 in two minutes. And the whole idea here is that 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.120 you don't have too much time to think about your answer. 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:27.280 You you just have to fire it off right and um, 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.360 when we're done, we do promise that we will give 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:34.120 you one full minute to expand or explain which everyone 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.200 was like the most damning, which everyone was like, oh shoot, 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.760 I should not have answered that. We will give you 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:43.200 one full minute to uh to make everything right sound good? Well, yeah, 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.400 I'll do my best. I mean, I'm gonna do my 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.800 best and not make everyone damning. All right, all right, 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.960 so I'm gonna put to I'm gonna put two minutes 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.280 on the clock. Hayden, you are going to kick off 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:58.400 and we are running. Ever read a small jaw, No 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.520 finish this sentence. If I never had to tattoo another 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:07.520 blank again, I wouldn't be sad. Oh, lower back, remember 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:12.160 that beautiful? Okay, got it? What is your favorite podcast? 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:22.640 Making Sense with Sam Harris? Why is your favorite podcast Klauser, 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:27.159 Bugger or Zonker? You can only pick one, Klaus good choice. 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:31.080 Drift boat or a raft. I haven't been in too 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.119 many rafts, but drift boat nice, nice, hard boat for 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.879 the wind. Why is fly fishing culture so obsessed with 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:42.280 grateful dead logos and symbolism. I think the way that 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.199 the music is structured is very like you know, it's 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.919 obviously very improv and so is fishing, and it's like 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:56.880 this kind of never ending things. I mean before man, yeah, 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.280 that's true. And I also I also kind of realized 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.720 I'm reading um trout bum for the second time that 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.640 um in like within like a couple of pages girak 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.840 mentions like Artisanal I P A. S And The Grateful Dead, 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.000 and I was like, this is this is the bid, 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.200 this is like the this is this is the genesis. 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:27.200 I think blank is criminally underrated. Cheese whiz wow, that's wow. 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.399 We got to hang out more. In your opinion, the 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.920 most painful place to get a tattoo is, oh man, 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:38.879 upper ribs. Okay, what is your best river clean up? Find? 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:45.040 A memorial for somebody that passed away that was made 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.080 into like a raft and they tried to send it 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.040 down the river like probably like Viking funeral style, but 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.680 where we found it, it probably didn't go like more 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:57.920 than like a couple hundred yards. Misfits guar or spinal tap, oh, 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:03.959 misfits like like they're like misfits against like even like 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:08.680 the new jump. What is your worst river cleanup find? 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.520 Oh man, I'm so many needles animal like deer like 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.240 deer and garbage bags and ship like that. Like we've 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.359 had people straight like wretching like a cleanup s you 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.800 know what I mean? So anything like bio is like, no, 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:26.520 like you, what's the most unique fish species you've ever tattooed. 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:28.600 I don't know. People kind of go for like the 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.680 big five or whatever. You know what I mean. It's 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.119 like always kind of the same. I did recently do 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:36.360 um a car. It's mostly trout. I mean, everybody wants 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.280 like brown trout, rainbow trout. I've done a lot of 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.000 large mouth, um some small mouth. I kind of even 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.720 though I prefer catching small mouth, I prefer tattooing large 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.919 mouth small mouth. There too subtle. Those patterns are just 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:52.080 like too subtle large mouth. You need that one horizontal 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:53.600 bar and you know what it is. You know what 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:59.760 I mean. We're already going away over to one more. No, no, no, 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:06.800 it's god Hayden one more. Do you think fly fishermen 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:11.440 are better than conventional fisherman, Oh, they don't litter as much? 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:16.160 Yes or no bro? Yes or no bro yes, that's 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.200 one for me. Wire small mouths so much better than 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.600 large mouths. Oh, bro, it's like night and day. Man. 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:25.840 It's like if you do, if you do, if you're 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.000 doing like a blind taste test with just like you know, 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.800 your eyes closed, you just hold the pole bro come 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:34.760 on like a five pound large mouth. Don't feel shipped 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.679 against like a one pound small love it. It's like 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:43.880 a little hurt there, alright, alright that ye dude, that's 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.360 the second covering. Water gets in a row that closed 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:50.360 by shipping on large mouths. Okay, second thing, and it's terrific. 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.119 Oh man, that was fun. We went over do we 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.760 give him do we give him the minute to expand? 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:00.280 It's totally fair. Dan kind of gave it up a 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.840 minute for each one and expand it just naturally. But 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.760 I mean, the rules is rules, man, Like anything there, 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:09.159 you want to give us more about any one of 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.320 those answers, you'd like the folks at home to know 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:15.040 more about why you said it? What do I say 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:17.280 about the lower back tattoos? Lower backs? Now I'm thinking 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.520 about are not that well, that's funny, I said. I 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.399 set that up thinking you would give me like a 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.359 thing like if I never had to do another Just 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.760 too many I know that's I kind of like knew 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:30.600 that's what you meant. But there's simply too many things 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:32.919 I don't want to do, so I just kind of 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.000 like put it to like the thirty six body parts 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:38.200 just like but but now you got to say why 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.440 lower back? Now you gotta do it. Now you gotta 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.040 expand oh, people just sit so shitty in the way, 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.440 you gotta like stretch out. I mean I haven't really, 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:46.840 I mean other than like I do a lot of 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.800 back pieces, so I I like by default end up 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.200 tattooing lower backs. But I mean, you know, like I 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:55.520 learned the tattoo in New Jersey in the like you know, 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.480 early two thousands, see a lot of lower back tattoos 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:03.400 that very much like the tribal it was like very much. 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:08.880 So yeah, exactly, so like my I guess like I'm 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.280 still not above doing that, but I guess like if 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.760