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Speaker 1: A little open letter to Subway. I have devoted so

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Speaker 1: Within like a couple of pages, Irak mentions Artisanal I P. A. S.

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Speaker 1: this one, So you know, good morning, degenerate anglers, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to Ben the fishing podcast that forgot the eye

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Speaker 1: before e rule when it got the word believe tattooed

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Speaker 1: below the giant muskie that was already inked on its

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Speaker 1: our permanent solution to a loose theme this week is tats.

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Speaker 1: Fish tats specifically, um and I have some, but before

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you never shot a bull elk, Like

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Speaker 1: All right, there you go. I mean, like you don't

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Speaker 1: Dan's a blast man, Like I gotta hang out with

425
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: that dude. He's already hinted. Yeah, he's already hinted that

426
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: he's got interest in shad and snakeheads and we don't

427
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: leave that far away from each other. Um. I Also,

428
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: I really appreciated his answer about the fly fishing grateful

429
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: Dead connection, Like I thought it was thoughtful, But I

430
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: also still hate the Grateful Dead. Um. And God smack

431
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: since you know we're saying him, since we're rolling them off. Yea,

432
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: as much as I appreciate, like all types of music, Man,

433
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge deadhead either. I'm not in the

434
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: target marketing group for that eight d dollars steal your

435
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: face able fly reel that you know. I always found

436
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: them kind of funny because the dead is all about

437
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: being a free spirit and like child of the earth

438
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: and peace, love and simple living. But then to afford

439
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: the grateful Dead able you have to work on Wall Street,

440
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, shouldn't a grateful Dead

441
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: reel cost as much as a frisbee? You know what

442
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, Well, interestingly enough, something you might not

443
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: know about Dan is that he recently put out a

444
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: bunch of signs that say it's some like be kind,

445
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: do not litter, and they have the grateful deadbear on them.

446
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: And he sold a million of those things during the pandemic,

447
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: I mean, just reprint after reprint, and people took them

448
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: and they're like parking signs almost you can promise them,

449
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: you can put them onto like the post that holds

450
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: up like a stop sign, you know, like that, like

451
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: rectangular post with the whole Yeah. Yeah, it's fitted so

452
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: you can put those everywhere and you'll see them all

453
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: over the place. But anyway, forget the grateful dead man

454
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: we're about. We're gonna be talk about something else, and

455
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: that's you, Joe. You're going to be dead, dead meat

456
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: when I kick your butt. In this week's installment of

457
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: fish News, Fish News that escalated quickly. Hey, so while

458
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: the B side train is still rolling, Uh, let's talk

459
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: about the show airing today at one pm Eastern eleven

460
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: AM Mountain. I'm gonna challenge your idea of what makes

461
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: a fish worthy of targeting in today's show, how about that? Yeah?

462
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: And so far, like, we've chased some oddballs, right, those

463
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: being American chad and snakeheads. But here's the thing, those

464
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: are fairly niche fish. Not everyone lives where those species live.

465
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: But in today's show, we're going after red horse suckers.

466
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: And even if you don't have red horse, strong chance

467
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: you've got some species of sucker swimming close to home,

468
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: because there's like a million of them in this country.

469
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: So that begs the question, man, why would you fly

470
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: all the way to Minnesota. Oh, they're right around they're

471
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: right around everybody's backyard. So I went in Minnesota because

472
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: that's where my sucker guy was. Man, Okay, yes I

473
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: did fly, Dude, I posed that question in the beginning.

474
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: Am I the sucker or are you the sucker for

475
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: not liking suckers? Okay, but yes I did. I flew

476
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: all the way out to Minnesota to hang out with

477
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: my bud, Tyler Winner and Tyler Um he was actually

478
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: in season two of DOS Boat Chasing Bigmouth Buffalo. That's

479
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: how this connection was made. And I can honestly say

480
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: I've never met a guy more eight up with underdog

481
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: fish than Tyler, Like he lives to chase all the

482
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: fish that most of the people don't want to. And

483
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: while there there's a big culture I'm very aware of

484
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: around sucker gigging in the Ozarks. That's that's like a

485
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: big deal and nighttime gig deal. Tyler's the only guy

486
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: I know that wants to convince you that suckers are

487
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: just as worthy of targeting with a rotten reel as

488
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: trout and bass. So that's why I went all the

489
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: way to Minnesota to hang with him. Hayden, It's not

490
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: about about the man's about the man. Okay, all right, Well,

491
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: you know there is like part of me that appreciates

492
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: the accessibility of like that fishery in general. When I

493
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: was a kid, you could actually catch like kind of

494
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: a legit Like this is an anecdotal observation, and I

495
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: made this observation as a child, But you catch kind

496
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: of a legit like sucker spawning run behind my house

497
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: in the springtime. And I don't know exactly which ones

498
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: they are, because, if I'm being totally honest, like suckers

499
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: are just kind of things I think might be trout

500
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: until they're not. Yes, I think every trout fisherman has yes,

501
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: especially when they hit a big s streamer or something. Occasionally. Well,

502
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: maybe you can help me identifying because these ones got

503
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: this like really heavy black bar running from head to

504
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: tail during like their spawn, and we we kind of

505
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: used to goof around with them when we saw them.

506
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. I have caught them.

507
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: We need Tyler here because I have no idea what

508
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: they are. I have I am not versed in the classification.

509
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: Um but anyway, look, I'm not I'm not gonna give

510
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: away my conclusion here, but I'll say this right. In

511
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 1: a world where everyone complains about how crowded their favorite

512
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: fishing holes are, Tyler is targeting um, a completely unpressured

513
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: fish in some beautiful places and there is nobody else around.

514
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: So there's something to be said for that, right, Like

515
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: keep that in mind when you watch. There's something to

516
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: be said for that. Um. There's also something to be

517
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: said about this being a competition, which it is, right,

518
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: And then I do not know it was perfect? It

519
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: was perfect perfect. I'm Mr Perfect Hayden, and I do

520
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: not know which news story the other gen is bringing

521
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: to the table. And at the end a winner will

522
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: be declared by our smashing audio engineer Phil. Will it

523
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: be the voice of Phil today? Which is the voice

524
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: of an angel um or the c G I fill

525
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: that we got last week? We'll find out, but it

526
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: is your lead man, Uh, take the floor what you

527
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: got alright? So this week we're gonna go down I've

528
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: been like on the international news beat, so this week

529
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: we're going Yeah, that's good, We're going down under. In

530
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: a story about a fisherman who almost ended up as

531
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: cut bait. Um M and unidentified sixty year old man

532
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: was fishing on his property in far north Queensland in

533
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: the Mageiver River. That's mick ivor not mcgever. Uh. He

534
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: goes down to his favorite hole and what does he find?

535
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: A big as bull standing We're right about where he

536
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: wants to be. And I guess that's like sort of

537
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: a global truth about pasture fishing in general. Like I

538
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: never had to deal with that until I came out here.

539
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: But livestock, particularly bulls, preventing you from getting places is

540
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: like a real thing. It is a real thing. And

541
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: I don't even need the bull. I'm I can I

542
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: can just get myself, Garrett of the cows. I've dealt

543
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: with this in Amish country. P A like walking around

544
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: some of those farms, because the Amish, you know, as

545
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: as as sort of cloistered as they are, they're like

546
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: they're very they don't most of them don't mind if

547
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: you like walk down the river on their property to

548
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: carp fish or whatever. And there have been several instances

549
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I'm not walking through this field, like

550
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: I do not trust these large animals. I do not

551
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: like this. So that is very real. You are correct.

552
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: So anyway, dude tries to shoot the bull away and

553
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: I guess the bull ends up moving because the next

554
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: thing the report says is that he was trying to

555
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: make a cast one Bam crock attack and that and

556
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: John moment was bought to you by our resident Elton

557
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: John super fan, Spencer new Hearth. Wait a minute, I

558
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: didn't know Spencer was an Elton John fan. How is

559
00:30:52,920 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: it brought to us by Spencer? And time? I can

560
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: rib Spencer for his like undying love of Elton John.

561
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: He's like traveling hundreds of miles in spring to go

562
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: see Elton John fair. I like it. I will keep

563
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: that joke going. I'll hit the next one. Okay, so

564
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: sounds good. Anyhow, so the fight is on. The croc

565
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: grabs him by both legs and starts dragging him into

566
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: the water. The dude tries to hold onto the mangrove

567
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: season and initially succeeds, but in what can only be

568
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: describes a shocking turn of events, the croc overpowers him

569
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: and he ends up in the river. It is not

570
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: looking good for unidentified dundee. No, so Joe. Does he

571
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: resign himself to death? Does he struggle to break free

572
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: and swim ashore? No? Ask me what he does next? Uh,

573
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's gonna be badass because Australians are

574
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: just tougher than we are. Like, that is just I

575
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: firmly believe that. I fly believe that. Go ahead. What

576
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: does he do next? He saw how orients himself, reaches

577
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: to his waistband and pulls out a knife. That's not

578
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: how could I not sometimes the ship just it's fine,

579
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: you had to go okay anyhow, Yeah, the guy pulls

580
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: out a knife and starts stabbing the ship out of

581
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: the crocodile, and the croc lets him go. Uh. Then

582
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: this Batas proceeds to swim ashore, get in his car,

583
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: and drive himself to the hospital, where at the time

584
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: of the press release I lifted this from he was

585
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: still recovering. My favorite part of the story is actually

586
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: in the press release, where they felt the need to

587
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: include that a crocodile expert examined the man and verified

588
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: that his injuries were indeed consistent with the crocodile a

589
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: deck When how much that guy gets paid? You know

590
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: what I mean? This wasn't a cow. So you may

591
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 1: be wondering about the fate of the crocodile um. A

592
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: lot of folks know that up here in the North

593
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: othern hemisphere, when somebody gets attacked by like a bear

594
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: or something, most of the time the conservation officers will

595
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: like go and try and remove the problem bear. Now,

596
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: the report says, quote, due to the circumstances, including the

597
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: remote location of the property and that there is no

598
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: public access in the vicinity, d E s that's the

599
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: Department of Environment and Science will not target the crocodile

600
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: for removal from the wild. Um. I think part of

601
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: this is that they assumed the croc was initially drawn

602
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: to the section of the river because of the bull,

603
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: and when the guy shoot the bull away and assumed

604
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: his position, the crocs all the guy and was like, well,

605
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: I guess that'll do. It. Wasn't like targeting people, you

606
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I mean I kind

607
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: of get that. It's like, you know, you remove problem

608
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: animals or whatever. If it's already way way the hell

609
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: out in the bush, where do you remove it and

610
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: take it to It's already pretty much out there in

611
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: the wild. Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, just like

612
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: bear country whatever, crocs are kind of an omnipresent threat

613
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: in this area. Is just part of the deal. If

614
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: you're fishing there. In fact, yep, they're so prevalent that

615
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: in the DS press release, uh, they listed some croc

616
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: avoidance measures for this particular area, the first which basically says,

617
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: as soon they're everywhere and don't go in the water,

618
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: assume you'll be attacked by a croc. So yeah, so

619
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, this was sort of a quick hit, um,

620
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: something I assumed our listeners would be, uh be interested in.

621
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: And you know, if you've listened to our campfire stories,

622
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: you know here a meat eater. We always like a

623
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: good tale of survival against the odds. Several fingers work too.

624
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: We like anything any sort of parts removed from the

625
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: from the person we're all about here. If you've got

626
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: a great survival story, feel free to send that in.

627
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: But anyhow, the sudden ever sets on a badass, and

628
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: all of us here at bent which are crock fighting

629
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: pal a speedy recovery. You're right, I'm always all right

630
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: when I'm with you, Dundee. Anyway, so you had a

631
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: quick hit there, and I'm gonna have a couple of

632
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: quick hits because full disclosure, I'm I'm calling it a

633
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: fairly slow news week here, and I kind of had

634
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: a feeling you'd grabbed that story and it was it was.

635
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: It was kind of like the best the best piece

636
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: of SLAMMI on the charcouterie board this week, and you

637
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: had the lead. So here's what I'm gonna do, right,

638
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna double down and I'm gonna hit two follow

639
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: ups very very quickly. Both of these are listener prompted,

640
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: but I think we need to do them. So we'll

641
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: start in Pennsylvania and dropped by to see the old

642
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: Hillbilly surf and turf pit master himself, Richard the Breeze Nicholson.

643
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: You guys remember the breeze, right, I know you remember

644
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: the breeze. We love the breeze. Yeah, it wasn't that

645
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: long ago. Yeah right. Anyway, in case you missed it,

646
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: late October, he yanked an eight point one pound walleye

647
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: out of the Yakagani River, n p A using a

648
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: live chub delivered on a noodle rod, and we covered

649
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: this story right after it happened. At the time, the

650
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: fish was pending state record status. Well it's been certified,

651
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: and now the Breeze is officially the new king dog

652
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: of p A walleye fishing and I think that's awesome

653
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: because you and I talked about how satisfying it was

654
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: to have that forty one year old standing record overtaken

655
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: by a bank fisherman. Like the breeze, it's just so good.

656
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: It's so good. And you see like that kind of

657
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: thing also in like White Dale hunting or whatever, when

658
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: like a kid, you know, sitting on a bucket on

659
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: opening day shoots like a mega high thousand. It's just

660
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: like a nice underdogar. Yeah, I love that ship. Take

661
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: that side scan sonar anyway, Um, so good for him.

662
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm happy for him. I really mean that because it

663
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: was a fun story. But furthermore, you may recall that

664
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: the breeze was pretty much sharpening the filet knife. He

665
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: was honing it to just a fine edge, uh, and

666
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: was about to start cutting when his son suggested, Hey,

667
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: like maybe we shouldn't cut that up right away because

668
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: it could be a record. So now it's certified and

669
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: and the breeze. He wants to eat this fish badly.

670
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: And I'm under the impression, per the news story, that

671
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: it's been frozen whole since it was caught in October.

672
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: Because here's what the story says. The new story. Nicholson

673
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: is planning to have the fish mounted and hoping the

674
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: taxidermists can save the meat. Quote. I want to have

675
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: a Walleye party, he said about enjoying eating what he catches.

676
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: It would be a shame to waste all that meat.

677
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: First of all, I want to go to that party,

678
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: like the Breeze family record walle I wrap up party,

679
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: because that's gonna be a scream. The second, well, I appreciate,

680
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: I appreciate all that. Like I don't know, man, I

681
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: feel like I know just enough about how skin mount

682
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,479
Speaker 1: fish taxidermy works to say that getting the skin mount

683
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: and the meat is a long shot. That's that's I'm

684
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: not I'm not really sure. What I would say is

685
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: Breeze eat the fish. You want to so badly stuff

686
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: that thing and roasted on a spit. Get a replicam mount. Right,

687
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: it's not it's not skin but get a replica mount. Um. Yeah,

688
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: they look better long term too, dude, I have a

689
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: walleye here that's a skin mount. Long story, but it's

690
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: like melting off the wall, like it's just like drips

691
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: oil onto the floor. Anyway, or may I suggest that

692
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: the Breeze get autaku print, even though so many people

693
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: make them, I'm not even sure that's cool anymore. Anyways,

694
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: the Japanese fish print on the rice paper like a

695
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: million years ago, it was like special. It was like,

696
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, the one dude who could do the Bond's

697
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: eye tree, and now like you could pick up a

698
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: Bond's eye tree at the CBS. You know what I'm saying.

699
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: Um yeah, So anyway, moving on, and I'll tell you

700
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: right now, I'm hitting this very fast because it's beating

701
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: a dead horse, like literally horse meat might actually be involved. Um,

702
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: but I'm doing this because I deliver what the bent

703
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: listeners want. Okay. So second little story here. Just when

704
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: way thought it cleared up that whole thing about their

705
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: tuna not being tuna, a new round of testing says, uh,

706
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: not only is it not tuna, there may actually be

707
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: no seafood in it whatsoever. One of the and this

708
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: is one of the same women that started this whole

709
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: class action lawsuit UM and Lost has re stoked the fires,

710
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: claiming a new study says the quote tuna the tuna

711
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: contains animal proteins such as chicken, pork, and cattle, and

712
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: not the advertised on tuna, to which I say, I

713
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: still do not care. Okay, you throw some Southwest sauce

714
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: on some pork and cattle protein and that's delicious. So

715
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: you know, a million people sent this to me, and

716
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: here's what I say. Basically, all this proves is that

717
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: subway tuna is kind of like a loose hot dog,

718
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: like like a pre hardened hot dog. I'm saying, your

719
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: face right now is great because I know what we

720
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: know how much you love kid. Dude. When you said

721
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 1: last time that you don't like can tuna, a million

722
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: people sent me all these pictures like, well he doesn't

723
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: know about this organic one and this one, and you

724
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: were like, I don't I don't care if, like I

725
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: don't care if the Queen of England caught this tuna

726
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: and it was played by her like private fishmongers. I'm

727
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: not eating that ship. It has nothing to do with

728
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: the quality of it. I just don't like it. So look,

729
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: we all know you hunt and you eat a lot

730
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: of wild game, but do you ever just like buy

731
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: yourself a pack of Nathan's hot dogs? Like will you

732
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: just eat like a hot dog like a dirty water

733
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: cart dog from Philly? Yeah, I mean, like you know,

734
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: if I'm somewhere where the opportunity to eat a hot

735
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: dog like presents itself. You know, I'm not gonna be like, no, sir,

736
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't eat hot dogs, you know. And in the

737
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: same yeah, I don't know. Man, leave me the gloane.

738
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: It's a simple question. Do you eat hot dogs occasionally?

739
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: It's not something I seek out. Okay, that's fine. My

740
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: point is that, like, what the It's just like if

741
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: you're schemed out about this tuna because it might have

742
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: these chicken, cattle and pork whatever proteins in them, but

743
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: you mean better about the tuna. There you go. I

744
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking the same thing. It's like, we

745
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was, and now at least we know,

746
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: and it's the same thing in your average hot dog.

747
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: If somebody calmed down, if somebody was like, do you

748
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: want to eat this tuna that's not tuna? I would

749
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: be more inclined to eat that than somebody going, do

750
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: you want to eat this tuna that is tuna? Fair enough? Finally,

751
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: last thought on this, okay, and this is true words

752
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: right here. I vowed to never bring this up again.

753
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: This is the last time we're doing subway Tuna. And

754
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: here's why, a little open letter to Subway. I have

755
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: devoted so much air time to standing next to you

756
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: through this entire ordeal. Like I have defended you're hot

757
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 1: dog Tuna for months. Have you said thanks, like reached out?

758
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: How about a code I can pass along to the

759
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: Bent listeners for one free tuna sandwich in a bag

760
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: of in Son ships. No, nothing, So that's it. I

761
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: will continue to consume your products, but I will not

762
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: defend you on this podcast here anymore. Issue closed, Best

763
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: of luck with the legal proceedings. Haydn, you had anything

764
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: to say about that before we kick it over to Phil. No, no, man,

765
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. If we do get that Subway plug,

766
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know it's all going to black

767
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: forest him for me. Hidden will just have the Italian

768
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: b MT. Anyway, Uh, Phil, a lot of stuff on

769
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: the menu here. We kind of threw you off with

770
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: a bunch of quick hits. We'll see what Phil liked

771
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: this week, and then we are going to do a

772
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: sale bin where we get to meet up with a

773
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: dear old friend Joe. Thank you for the updates. I

774
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: appreciate them, really, I do, I mean spread some of

775
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: that breeze on a subway too. Now I'll be a

776
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: happy man. But unfortunately you came in with two stories technically,

777
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: and frankly that seems a bit unfair. It's not in

778
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: the spirit of fish news. Sort of like bringing a

779
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: gun to a uh you know. So, Hayden, you're the

780
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: winner and shouts to the guy in Australia getting stabby

781
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: with the crocodile. I hope you feel better soon. Frankly,

782
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: you're the most badass thing to come out of Australia

783
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: since Bluey and your parents out there with a Disney

784
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: Plus subscription know what I'm talking about. Are out of

785
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: Bluey and find out Why did you put the hand

786
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: to pave You don't know what I'm getting, man, You

787
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: didn't have to be so hurtful with me so angry.

788
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: I'm excited for this sale, bin because it's not really

789
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: about a new item for sale. Rather, we're just checking

790
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: in with an old friend, if you will. It's like

791
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: a it's like a where are they now? Um? And

792
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: here's how this all came about. So I was trout

793
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: fishing up in North Jersey not long ago, um, and

794
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: just a few days prior we had like I'm major

795
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: rain event out here, and all the rivers shot up,

796
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: like serious flooding we're talking about, you know, a really

797
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: small narrow river kicked up well above two thousand cfs

798
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: for like a day and a half. Right, So I

799
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: show up right after the drop, and I'm walking along

800
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: and come upon a canoe that is pretty destroyed, right, Like,

801
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: it's just it's just crumpled um. And you can tell

802
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: when this thing came down from where wherever it started

803
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: in this flood, I get t bone many trees in

804
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: the process. So I immediately thought of Jerry, the Craigslist

805
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: canoe salesman, the same Jerry that's ultimately responsible for our

806
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: Billy wants a shotgun stickers, you know, Hayden wants a

807
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: Billy wants the shotgun sticker. I still haven't got ye. Damn,

808
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: that's horrible of me. I yeah, okay, I'll remedy that.

809
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: So I remember like listening to these and I remember

810
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: being suggested that you go visit Jerry and look at

811
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: his canoes and have a cup of tea with him,

812
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: because he lives really close to you, right he does.

813
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: He lives right down the road. Um. And and as

814
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: you pointed out, Yeah, Jerry ends every post about the

815
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: current canoe for sale inviting you to come over, buy

816
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: a canoe and have a cup of tea with us. Um,

817
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: And we concluded that that Jerry really, you know, he

818
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: wants a friend more than anything. Um, And he never

819
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: posts a photo. You only get a text description and

820
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: they are just wonderfully written. And the original Jerry sale

821
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: bins ran in I think episode thirty five and forty,

822
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: so we're going back aways and I kind of thought

823
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: maybe a bunch of the Bent listeners forgot about old

824
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: Jerry until I posted that shot of that beat up

825
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: canoe and said Jerry would have this fixed up and

826
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: on Craig's list of no time. Well I was wrong, right, Uh,

827
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: you guys did not forget about Jerry. Here are a

828
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: few of my favorite comments. Um, you have all winner

829
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: to turn that in the next year's Doss Boat with Jerry,

830
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: and you're gonna need a lot of team Okay, that

831
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: was good. That's a fun one. Here's another one I

832
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: like a lot. I think Jerry would pull that baby

833
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: straight with a telephone pole and a truck, then have

834
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: a damn good story about stopping traffic while doing it probably. Uh.

835
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: Somebody else said I think Billy would take a shotgun

836
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: over that canoe any day. Um. Another one said, see

837
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: what happens when Billy doesn't get a shotgun? So all

838
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: different approaches, you know, I didn't the one about Billy

839
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: wanting a shotgun also kind of get like a little

840
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: a little bit dark and suggestive. If he gets the shotgun,

841
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: something real terrible is gonna happen. Yeah, like he's gonna

842
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: kill people. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure I did

843
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: say that. But this is fine literature, Hayden that Jerry

844
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: is writing. Jerry is a master of Craigslist prose um. Anyway,

845
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: the response to my canoe photo got me wondering, is

846
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: Jerry still selling? What's Jerry up to? Is there maybe

847
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: a fresh Jerry post? And wouldn't you know it, there was.

848
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: Jerry was active just in October um and up for grabs.

849
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: This round is an old town tripper Royal X for

850
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: four and I read, Hey, I've been away for a while.

851
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: I was on a sign in and a bunch of

852
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: sports illustrated swimsuit models captured me and used me as

853
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: a love slave over an extended period of time. All Right,

854
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: Jerry Jerry. I used this canoe to make my escape

855
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: after a float by the volcanoes of the Canary Islands.

856
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: I washed up in Strathmere, New Jersey. This canoe is

857
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: the Royal X version with the original factory skids. It

858
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: is seventeen feet long. It's in pretty good shape. The

859
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: seeds could use a canning. This is a very rare

860
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: piece and highly sought after. So uh, Jerry, Jerry is

861
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: dating himself yet again, because I mean, is the Sports

862
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: Illustrated Swimsuit issue even a thing anymore? Like? Is s

863
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: I in print? Or did that die with pretty much

864
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: all the rest of the print mags? You know, dude,

865
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Maybe fair fair? I yeah, I don't.

866
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't know either. I don't do sports. Um, but

867
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: I'll date myself as well by saying that when I

868
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: think of the SI Swimsuit issue, I still think of

869
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: Kathy Ireland and when I was in the fifth grade,

870
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: getting an SI swimsuit issue was the closest you came

871
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: at that point to just like getting porn. It was

872
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: a big deal, you know. I guess if we're like

873
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: talking about like generational U S I swimsuit, you know,

874
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: cover models I tend to think of like Kate Upton,

875
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: like that was like high school. And I assume you

876
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: don't know who Kathy Ireland is. I don't. I don't

877
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: nowadays I think she has a beautiful line of throw

878
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: rugs at Home Goods or something like that. The you know,

879
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: I kind of loved the rest of this post. I

880
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: read the post. When you send it over manum and

881
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: you want to finish it, you want to? You want to,

882
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: you want to bring it home? Yes, by all means,

883
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: bring it home. Tell him what else Jared had to say? Okay,

884
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: you contin use. If you have an interest in this canoe,

885
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: go to your research, look it up on the web.

886
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 1: This can do is a collector's item, but I could

887
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: care less. I would be happy to see someone just

888
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: using it. The weather has war and it's tea time again,

889
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: so stop on by, have a look. I still have

890
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: several other canoes about. Come, sit talk. Imagine yourself and

891
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: the person you love drifting down Sylvian Sylvan's Sylvan Sylvian

892
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: Sylvan Sylvan and drifting across a for million sea. Call

893
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: me or text me or send a semaphore code piece

894
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: be upon you what Jerry, Yeah, Jerry always manages to

895
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: throw at least one term in there that I have

896
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: to look up. In one of these, he used dause

897
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: light and I was calling people dause lights for a

898
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: while after that. Nobody knew it. But this time I

899
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: had to look up semaphore, um, since he asked for

900
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: a semaphore code, and a semaphore is any apparatus used

901
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: for visual signaling, whether it be with fire lights, flags, sunlight,

902
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: or moving arms. So semaphore. That's like kind of like

903
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: your word of the week right there. All right? Go,

904
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: uh well, hey, look man, the next time I come

905
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: back out east, which should be soon for the holidays, uh,

906
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: let's go visit Jerry together. Man, we should. You know,

907
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: I would actually be more open to that, just in

908
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: case Jerry actually has a shotgun. At least i'd have backup.

909
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: But I'm truth truly, I'm betting Jerry's actually a very

910
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: good guy, um, and he would probably really appreciate a

911
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: billy wants a shotgun sticker. He has no idea any

912
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: of this is happening, right, Just three times now he's

913
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: been featured on the fishing podcast bent Um. But yeah,

914
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: we'll give him a sticker. Maybe we even record with Jerry.

915
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: We'll bring a couple of mikes and have a cup

916
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: of tea, you know what I mean. Yeah, man, I'm

917
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: all about it. We can do it. Um, And I'm

918
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: i gotta say, man, I'm so happy to have been

919
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: a part of an official Jerry sale Bin post. Yeah.

920
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: It's an honor, isn't it. I feel as if I'm

921
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: in hallowed ground in uh the circle of you know,

922
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: bent illustrious folks. Anyhow, this is a friendly reminder that

923
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: we rely on you guys, is to let us know

924
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: what kind of weird, wacky fishing ship you're finding on

925
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: your favorite online classified forums. And when you find a

926
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: post is particularly good, send link to Ben at the

927
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: meat Eater dot com because Billy wants to make more

928
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: fun of people's attempts to make a profit. A man,

929
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: it was good to hear from Jerry again. That was

930
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: That was probably the least controversial Jerry post yet. Um.

931
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: He didn't encourage giving kids guns or smoking while canoeing

932
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: down some whitewater in this one, So you know, no,

933
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: I guess that's like one Jerry that we've talked about

934
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: on this podcast is encouraging smoking of anything. But if

935
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: thank you. If you want some controversy, I could provide it. Oh,

936
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: how's that with an end of the line segment about

937
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: something that is both like revered and hated and I'm

938
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: gonna say completely misunderstood and also catches more trout than

939
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: pretty much any fly. You and I or anybody else

940
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: do that matter? Good tie m. I have guesses. I

941
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: could guess, but I won't. Well, good this Uh, this

942
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: also sort of fits our tattoo theme because you have

943
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: to poke it with a sharp object. Well, that's not

944
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: loud enough. If you're like of other fishermen, particularly fly fishermen,

945
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: Alaska is somewhere on your bucket list. If you ask

946
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: an angler what they think of when they envision Alaska,

947
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: you'll find a lot of the same images and species

948
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: repeating Salmon runs so dense you could walk across the

949
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: river on the backs of silvers and kings you know,

950
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: Dolly Varden, longer than your arm and painted up like

951
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: clowns and their full spawning regalia, steelhead of mythical proportions

952
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: and their resident rainbow counterparts. Back flipping and cart wheeling

953
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: out of the river, and sore shoulders from spending all

954
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: days swinging flies, catching fish after fish, experiencing arguably the

955
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: greatest cold water fishing the world has to offer. There's

956
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of an open secret in these rivers,

957
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: almost as omnipresident as the fish we target, and it's

958
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: as effective as it is divisive. My friends, that secret

959
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: is the trout bead. Now, before we wade into the

960
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: controversy surrounding the fishing of beads, let's talk about the

961
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: beads themselves. For the uninitiated, a trout beat is a

962
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: small spherical bead pegged with a toothpick about two inches

963
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: above a bear hook. Beads can be fished on any briggs, spin,

964
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: centerpin or fly. At first glance, the bead is pretty

965
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: cut and dry. I mean it's literally just around beads,

966
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: similar to the thousands of beads you'd find at the

967
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: hobby lobby. In fact, I'm sure some anglers buy beads

968
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: at the hobby lobby because there is an entire subculture

969
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: dedicated to bead fishing that is as fanatical about colors,

970
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 1: weight sizes, and hues as dry fly fishermen are trying

971
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: to pick out that perfect shade of done for their quill.

972
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: Gordon's All beads are not created equal, however, and anglers

973
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: are fiercely devoted to their preferences glass versus plastic, peach

974
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: verse orange, six millimeter or eight millimeter bead specific companies

975
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: have made fortunes selling beads crafted with jealously guarded secret

976
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: formulas for just the right color, sheen, and molting. You'll

977
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: find grown men hoarding help polish, like teenage girls scouring

978
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: pharmacies and makeup counters in their free time, looking for

979
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: that perfect shade of red, pink, orange, or even blue

980
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: for the all important blood dot. Now onto the controversy.

981
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: We're not going to dive into whether or not it's

982
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: fly fishing. That's between you, the fish, and a higher power.

983
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: The real controversy is how the fish is hooked. To

984
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: understand this, we first need to understand how a bead

985
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: rig works. As I mentioned, a bead rig is a

986
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: bear hook with a bead pegged about two inches up

987
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: the leader. When the fish bites the bead, the angler

988
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: sets the hook, and that hook, which is dangling outside

989
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: the fish's mouth, is pulled into the outside corner of

990
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: their jaw. Here's why that's controversial. Many people see the

991
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: placement of that hook set outside the mouth and immediately

992
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: equate that is evidence that this is no more than

993
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: a legal means to floss or snag fish. Go ahead

994
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: and search is bead fishing ethical on Google, and you'll

995
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: find forums filled with heated eight page arguments between anglers

996
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: debating the issue. I would argue that bead fishing is

997
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: not floss ng or snagging for one simple reason. The

998
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: fish has to voluntarily bite the bead in order to

999
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: hook themselves. From my perspective, that alone settles the debate.

1000
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: Sporting ethics society, you'll often hear folks argue that beads

1001
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: are somehow damaging to the fish. Beads are deadly effective.

1002
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: But if there's one thing they're not, it's deadly. If

1003
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: you're into fish and catch and release, beads could very

1004
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: well be the most ethical tool at your disposal. Because

1005
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: the bead is pegged a few inches above the hook,

1006
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: the fish can inhale it without the danger of being

1007
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: hooked deeply. The hook set pulls the hook into the

1008
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: outside corner of its mouth, not into its gullet. Not

1009
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: only does this save the fish from having its gills

1010
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: ripped apart by a deeply taken yet apparently more ethical

1011
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: glow bug. It also saves a fish from the difficult

1012
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: hook removals that often come with a deep take. In

1013
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: fisheries where significant cold is a factor, like Great Lake

1014
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: steelhead fisheries, for instance, this can save a fish from

1015
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: flash frozen gills. It's simply easier to remove a hook

1016
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: from the outside corner of the steelhead's mouth without taking

1017
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: it out of the water. Now you might be thinking

1018
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: to yourself that I'm some sort of bead fishing evangelists.

1019
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: You may be surprised to know that I've only ever

1020
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: fished beads a handful at times. Unfortunately, I'm cursed with

1021
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: a bug for tieing bugs and plagued by the compulsion

1022
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: to use them. That said, I fished with many, many

1023
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: centerpin spin and fly anglers who all use beads. I've

1024
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: netted well over a hundred bead caught steel head, and

1025
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: in all that time, there are two things that I've seen,

1026
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: very very rarely, a deeply hooked fish or a fish

1027
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: hooked more than an inch or two from its mouth. Sorry,

1028
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: fly guys, I'll be the first to admit that I've

1029
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: pulled a lot of pheasant tales and soccer spawn from

1030
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: peck fins. H Yes, the bad debate, whether or not

1031
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: we all agree one day remains to be seen. But

1032
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: as long as there are people catching fish, they're going

1033
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: to be folks complaining about how they're going about it.

1034
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: Are you a big guy feverishly painting until the wee

1035
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: hours of the morning while you gear up for your

1036
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: next steal head trip? Are you a fly fishing purist

1037
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: who thinks of beats for the undoing of everything a

1038
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: sportsman stands for. Whatever your position, be sure to drop

1039
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 1: us a note at bent at the meat eater dot

1040
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: com letting us know where you stand on the bad

1041
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: debate and if, perhaps for the first time, a beat

1042
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 1: ends up at the end of your line. So that's

1043
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: it for this week. A few things to keep in

1044
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: mind if you're studying the flash wall and deciding what

1045
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: to get in to trout beads with a toothpick between

1046
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: them might not translate properly. A full body Cathy Ireland

1047
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: tattoo is fine, but you're not allowed to do that

1048
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: unless you've seen necessary roughness. Dan Santro isn't sure how

1049
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: to spell the name of the fly shop. He co

1050
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: owns and Hayden Samic wants you to tell him what

1051
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: fish he should get emblazoned on his upper rib cage. Yeah,

1052
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm extremely open to ideas or maybe sort of open

1053
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