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Speaker 3: dot com. Let's get over to anti Semitism. Man, so

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Speaker 3: much going on here. So, I this may be a

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Speaker 3: crazy thing to say, I think that the Douglas Murray

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Speaker 3: debate was a real moment for the discourse around the

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Speaker 3: Israel war with Gaza, because I think when it really showed.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, here's the thing about Douglas Murray.

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Speaker 3: This is somebody you know, as we know, who has

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Speaker 3: really been held up as like this intellectual explainer of

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Speaker 3: like global forces of MAGA, and he's been of course

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Speaker 3: a big defender of Israel but I think what really

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Speaker 3: showed people, you know, the bubble that he was in

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Speaker 3: whenever it came to arguing on Israel's behalf and resorting

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Speaker 3: to these ridiculous attacks like you've never even been to Israel.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to attempt the accent like Rogan and others,

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Speaker 3: and to just see how sensitive and gatekeepings and storious

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Speaker 3: and just broadly like, you know, just just relying on

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Speaker 3: the worst style of argumentation to ultimately what I think

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Speaker 3: is to defend the indefensible, really broke through. It has

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Speaker 3: shown people both the weakness of like the pro Israel

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Speaker 3: position I think in the US, but it's also invited

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Speaker 3: now a full scale attack of even more censorship by

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Speaker 3: some of these folks who actually owe you know, a

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Speaker 3: lot of their prominence to the dissident Internet, to people

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Speaker 3: like Rogan or the podcast space, and now find themselves

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, no, no, we need to listen to

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Speaker 1: the experts.

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Speaker 3: So that's all of the context for what leads up

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Speaker 3: to this extraordinary moment of Jordan Peterson coming to Joe

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Speaker 3: Rogan's show and again resorting to Murray style tactics where

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Speaker 3: he starts to interrogate Joe about where do you draw

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Speaker 3: the line on the type of people that you come on,

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Speaker 3: and then trying to you know, basically, you know, dress

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Speaker 3: of which he is allegedly an expert.

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Speaker 1: So let's take a listen.

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Speaker 4: With all of that said, you also.

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Speaker 5: Set that conversation up, but it poked up and made

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Speaker 5: itself manifest in that conversation. And the issue is how

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Speaker 5: do you identify the psychopathic pretenders? And it's even worse

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Speaker 5: now and then make a barrier right now. The right

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Speaker 5: was calling for the left to do that for decades

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Speaker 5: and they didn't and they couldn't. And the left is

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Speaker 5: not good at drawing barriers, partly temperamentally. The right is

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Speaker 5: somewhat better, but there's no shortage of monstrosity there and

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Speaker 5: and so then the question is how do you how

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Speaker 5: do you draw the line? And that's kind of what

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Speaker 5: I was because I've been watching these right wing they're

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Speaker 5: not right wing. These psychopathic types manipulate the edge of

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Speaker 5: the conservative movement for their own gain, and a lot

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Speaker 5: of that's cloaked and antisemitic guys. There's plenty of anti

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Speaker 5: semitism on the left too, by the way, So it's

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Speaker 5: not unique to the.

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Speaker 4: Right partly now, yes, yes, yes, particularly now.

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Speaker 5: And so you know, you've let your curiosity guide you,

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Speaker 5: your curiosity and your desire for knowledge, this quest you've

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Speaker 5: you've let that guide you as a podcaster. And I'm,

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Speaker 5: by the way, I'm trying to work through exactly the

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Speaker 5: same sort of thing. How do you know, given your

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Speaker 5: rap radical increase in stature over the last ten years,

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Speaker 5: how do you know when your curiosity and even your

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Speaker 5: skepticism about the fact that things aren't the way that

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Speaker 5: people say they are, because that's certainly been demonstrated in

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Speaker 4: How do you how.

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Speaker 5: Should anyone decide what guardrails to put up? Like what

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Speaker 1: Like it's so obvious what's happening here, Crystal. They can't.

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Speaker 3: It's like they have to construct these monsters that don't

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Speaker 3: calmly dismantles Douglas Murray's every single propagandistic attempt to justify

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Speaker 3: the US support for Israel and broadly also, they're relying

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Speaker 3: now on the very tactics that they that they denigrated

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Speaker 3: you imagine, you know, Jordan Peterson being like or Douglas

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Speaker 3: talking about transgend It's preposterous, preposterous, And yet they resort

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Speaker 3: least nice to see Joe pretty skeptical, I think, especially

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Speaker 3: in Murray's case and other and others really who have noticed,

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Speaker 3: you know, this reversion from like free speech to censorship on.

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Speaker 1: The film of a dime.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're talking only eighteen months after a decade

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Speaker 3: of preaching the opposite.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the TLDR here with Jordan Peterson and

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Speaker 2: all of his semi incomprehensible mumbo jumbo, which is such

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Speaker 2: a freakin' pet peeve of mine. Like way through, Like

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Speaker 2: what the fuck are you even really saying right now?

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Speaker 2: Just like come out and say, just come out and say,

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Speaker 2: like I don't like that you had Ian Carroll on

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Speaker 2: deal with it. That irritates the shit out of me. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So if you wade through all of that, what you

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Speaker 2: can see going on in the right with the pro

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Speaker 2: Israel crowd is that they have lost the debate. They've

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Speaker 2: lost the public debate. Public support for their genocidal stance

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Speaker 2: has collapsed. The only people who still are more sympathetic

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Speaker 2: Every other demographic has moved away from them. And so

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Speaker 2: when you've lost the debate, what do you have to do?

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Speaker 2: You have to say, we can't even have this conversation.

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Speaker 2: And that's to your point about the Douglas Murray piece,

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Speaker 2: that really is what came out there. He is supposed

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Speaker 2: you know they have no real arguments. And the thing

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Speaker 2: is like number one, When Jordan Peterson is accusing people

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Speaker 2: of being psychopaths in defense of a policy that is

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Speaker 2: genuinely psychopathic, which has involved the slaughter of innocent men, women, children,

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Speaker 2: the complete destruction of all of Gaza, the starving and

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Speaker 2: through the holiness of his arguments here. And then the

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Speaker 2: other thing that I would say is, like, what makes

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Speaker 2: I do think there is this posture in a lot

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Speaker 2: of the like quote unquote independent media of you know,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna not only platform someone, but we're going to

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Speaker 2: sort of just give them unquestioning free range. And but

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Speaker 2: that isn't just these quote unquote fringe voices. That's people

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Speaker 2: like when Rogan had Andresen on and just lets them

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Speaker 2: lie and make up bullshit about the CFPB, when he

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Speaker 2: had Trump on and let Trump be, oh, yeah, the

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Speaker 2: election was stolen and say all kinds of like ridiculous

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Speaker 2: things with absolutely no pushback whatsoever. Ewhen Zuckerberg was on

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Speaker 2: same sort of situation. So I do think there's a

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Speaker 2: conversation to be had about not just who are you

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Speaker 2: having on, but how are we approaching this? You know,

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Speaker 2: are you just letting people use you for their own

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Speaker 2: than cloud the situation. And I also want to say, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there is a rise in anti Semitism, I think it's

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Speaker 2: oftentimes put in the wrong direction in terms of like,

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Speaker 2: it's entirely predictable that if we're relentlessly told all Jewish

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Speaker 2: people have to be are associated with this state of

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Speaker 2: Israel that is committing a genocide that we're all watching

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Speaker 2: to generate increased anti Semitism. That's still abhorrent, it still

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Speaker 2: should be condemned, but it is a real problem. But

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Speaker 2: obviously Jordan Peterson doesn't want to talk about or deal

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Speaker 2: with any of that. So the end result or what

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Speaker 2: his goal for the end result to be here is

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Speaker 2: just we shouldn't really be talking about this issue because

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Speaker 2: there is no real defense if you're actually dealing with

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Speaker 2: the facts of what we've all watched on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, let's put Dave actually just had such

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Speaker 3: a good retort. Let's put this up there on the screen, please,

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Speaker 3: He says, I've always admired many things.

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Speaker 1: About Jordan Peterson.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's get that out of the way.

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Speaker 3: I was a bit surprised at his take on keeping

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Speaker 3: quote psychopaths away. Now I'm just a non expert comic

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Speaker 3: mentioned Groeper's as falling into this category. I certainly have

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Speaker 3: we are truly interested in calling out psychothapy, why not

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Speaker 3: How about the people about signing bombs that are on

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Speaker 3: Why not have one standard and apply it across the board.

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Speaker 3: And actually, to even return to something you were saying

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Speaker 3: about this whole life, just letting people talk, well, I

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Speaker 3: think what that drives them crazy? Peterson, Murray and these

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Speaker 3: back and all that I don't disagree with, you should

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Speaker 3: have pushed back against powerful people. What they are upset

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Speaker 3: you know on some other voices that have been critical

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Speaker 3: really what they're advocating for. And Glenn made such a

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Speaker 3: good point too. Let's put his tweet please up on

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Speaker 3: the screen. He says, how come you know Remaiah oz Turk,

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Speaker 3: a Forig national in the US, legally is in prison

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Speaker 3: for having written an op ed critical of Israel, but

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Speaker 3: Jordan Peterson, a foreign national in the US, also here present,

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Speaker 3: legally is free to praise Israel and call Americans who

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Speaker 3: oppose it psychopaths, and somebody like Douglas Murray. Glenn continues,

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Speaker 3: I kept hearing from those who were defending the rounding

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Speaker 3: The guests in our countries should keep their mouths shut

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Speaker 3: and not criticize our government. But it doesn't really seem

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Speaker 3: like this principle is consistently applied at all.

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Speaker 1: And he's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: You know, if we want to get truly national about

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Speaker 2: get where he's going and sees border patrol officer thinks

433
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Speaker 2: this person might be able to help him, and instead

434
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Speaker 2: they don't believe him when he says he's a US citizen.

435
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Speaker 2: Just pick him up and have him sign this affidavit

436
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Speaker 2: that claims that he came into from Mexico and that

437
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Speaker 2: he's an undoct cocummented citizen, et cetera, et cetera. Well,

438
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 2: this Jose has a learning disability and is unable to read,

439
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Speaker 2: so we had no idea what he was signing, and

440
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Speaker 2: he ends up being stuck in iced attention for ten days,

441
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Speaker 2: even though he is a US citizen and zider the

442
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Speaker 2: part of this too, that is so important. I mean

443
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Speaker 2: number one again. Anytime an American citizens caught up in this,

444
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Speaker 2: I think everyone needs to stop and take note, especially

445
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Speaker 2: since it is this administration's position that you don't deserve

446
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Speaker 2: any sort of due process. You don't get to even

447
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Speaker 2: get your day in court to say, hey, here's my documents,

448
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Speaker 2: like here's my birth certificate, et cetera. Before being disappeared

449
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Speaker 2: into a foreign prison. But also just look at the

450
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Speaker 2: way they lie, like top to bottom. They will just

451
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Speaker 2: shamelessly make shit up and think that they can ultimately

452
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Speaker 2: get away with it.

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Speaker 3: That's what it is for me, is you know you

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Speaker 3: you again, look, we have our many disagreements about mass

455
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Speaker 3: deportation and all of that, but if you're going to

456
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Speaker 3: do it, you have to do it in such a

457
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Speaker 3: way that makes sure the of credibility would the public,

458
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Speaker 3: and which you're not not just following the law, but

459
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Speaker 3: following order. And within this it's just very clear, Like

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Speaker 3: from the statements, and I trackt this for quite a while,

461
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Speaker 3: the statements were just completely incorrect, and that is what

462
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Speaker 3: drives me the craziest, not only of course about the

463
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Speaker 3: you know, not only about the detention of a US citizen,

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Speaker 3: but it is the broad precedent here where when Tricia McLaughlin,

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Speaker 3: she's a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, puts something.

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Speaker 1: Out, I'm like, I don't believe you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is that's really especially after all of

468
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Speaker 3: this El Salvador, all this El Salvador news, many of

469
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Speaker 3: the statements that they put out are just wrong either

470
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Speaker 3: about Garcia initially about the tattoos like claims which are

471
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Speaker 3: stated with absolute certainty and which fall apart under basic scrutiny.

472
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Speaker 3: And so people again, even if you support deportation, master portition,

473
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Speaker 3: et cetera, which I do, I'm going to be very

474
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Speaker 3: very clear about that when I see the way that

475
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Speaker 3: they then justify their most extraordinary actions or others even

476
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Speaker 3: in the future, if they're going to say this is

477
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Speaker 3: what happened, I'm like, I don't know, I'm gonna need

478
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Speaker 3: again what we were just talking about with anti Semitism,

479
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna need to see something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna need to.

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Speaker 3: See video, some real documentation, maybe you know some at

482
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Speaker 3: this point, you know, some serious adjudication through the legal process,

483
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Speaker 3: because you burned your credibility with the press. And I think,

484
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Speaker 3: you know, we talked about the polls. A lot of people.

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Speaker 3: They gave trip a lot of leeway on immigration. They

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Speaker 3: still do actually even whenever it comes to the border

487
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Speaker 3: and border crossings. People are pretty happy about that. But

488
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Speaker 3: with the rest of this, I feel, you know, again,

489
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Speaker 3: I'm resurrecting this Vietnam era term called credibility gap. And

490
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Speaker 3: I think that the credibility gap here is so immense

491
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Speaker 3: now that it's really at a position of hey, prove it.

492
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Speaker 3: You know you're at this at this point because people

493
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Speaker 3: can't really take it seriously. A lot of what you

494
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Speaker 3: guys are saying, and there are big consequences for this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's no doubt about it. And Judd published

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Speaker 2: the you know, the thing they had Jose sign and

497
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Speaker 2: you know it really like when you look at apparently

498
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 2: he can't he can't read, he can't write, he has

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Speaker 2: a learning disability. And when you look at even the

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Speaker 2: way he signs his name, like, I can't imagine that

501
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Speaker 2: they didn't realize that this is someone who was confused

502
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Speaker 2: about what was going on, who was unable to comprehend

503
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Speaker 2: the information that was being put in front of him.

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Speaker 2: And you know, this is far from the only disturbing

505
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Speaker 2: incident that we've been tracking this week. This next one

506
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Speaker 2: is even more disturbing. If anything, we could put this

507
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Speaker 2: up on the screens in The New York Times did a

508
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Speaker 2: deep dive into this Venezuelan. I think like Uber Eats driver,

509
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Speaker 2: Door Dash driver who was picked up while he works

510
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Speaker 2: a delivery job in Detroit. He picked up an order

511
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Speaker 2: at McDonald's. He meant to go to one address, but

512
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Speaker 2: accidentally got on the bridge which leads to Canada, which

513
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Speaker 2: is a thing that happens in Detroit because Canada is

514
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Speaker 2: right there, and so you can accidentally take the exit

515
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Speaker 2: and end up in Canada. When he tries to re

516
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Speaker 2: enter the country, he's put in detention, and he's ordered deported.

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Speaker 2: And as of the time of the writing of this

518
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Speaker 2: New York Times article, his friends and family could not

519
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Speaker 2: find him anywhere, and the US authorities would not give

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Speaker 2: them any information about where he was. He was literally

521
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Speaker 2: disappeared without a trace. Now, he was not on the

522
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Speaker 2: list of men who had been sent into the El

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Speaker 2: Salvador torture dungeon in prison. He was not on that list,

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Speaker 2: and again the government did not provide that list. By

525
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Speaker 2: the way media outlets were able to get a hold

526
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Speaker 2: of that list, his name was not on that list.

527
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Speaker 2: Ice and other government officials refused to tell his family

528
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Speaker 2: what had happened to him. They had no communication with

529
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Speaker 2: him whatsoever. And this is someone who was constantly checking

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Speaker 2: in with friends and family, and he has a son,

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Speaker 2: I believe, and so they felt like he was just

532
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Speaker 2: vanished off the face of the earth. Now after this

533
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Speaker 2: media report and the scrutiny, now the government has been

534
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Speaker 2: forced to acknowledge that oh, he actually is in that

535
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Speaker 2: El Salvador prison. But again, Soccer, just think about this.

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Speaker 2: If it wasn't for this New York Times report about

537
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Speaker 2: this man that just is gone, like no one would

538
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Speaker 2: ever have any way of knowing where he was and

539
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Speaker 2: what the hell happened to him, Like for his friends

540
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Speaker 2: and family, he had just completely been disappeared. I mean,

541
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Speaker 2: and this again just proves the point of why it

542
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Speaker 2: is so important that people have an ability to you know,

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Speaker 2: go have their day in court and be able to dispute,

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Speaker 2: and that the government keeps records and that we're able

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Speaker 2: to know where these people are and what is happening

546
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Speaker 2: to them, because without them, they can literally pick up

547
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Speaker 2: some DoorDash driver and he's just disappeared forever with zero recourse.

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Speaker 3: And they didn't even give us his name, They didn't

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Speaker 3: publish the names of the individual. I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, you know, like it's beyond due process.

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Speaker 3: It's just one of those where you're not even attempting

552
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Speaker 3: to prove or to tell, and it's not even about proved.

553
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Speaker 3: They're not even attempting to convey there's no transparency around

554
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Speaker 3: the entire thing. And at this point we you and

555
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Speaker 3: I both know why they're not doing it because they

556
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Speaker 3: don't want people to be able to look into their background,

557
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Speaker 3: so they're just keeping the names people.

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Speaker 1: So the whole thing is just completely preposterous.

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Speaker 2: We are very pleased to be joined this morning by

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Speaker 2: doctor Abdul l Sayad, who is a public health professor

561
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Speaker 2: and has announced a run for Senate in Michigan to

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Speaker 2: entered the Democratic primary. There great to see a doctor, Crystal.

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Speaker 4: Always a privilege to be with you today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my pleasure. So your run has caught a lot

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Speaker 2: of people's attention, both because of some of your bold stances,

566
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Speaker 2: but also we can put this up on the screen

567
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Speaker 2: because you are the first candidate this cycle to earn

568
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Speaker 2: the official endorsement of Senator Bernie Sanders, who you've supported

569
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Speaker 2: in the past, and you know, have a platform that

570
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Speaker 2: is broadly aligned with Senator Sanders positioning. You know, he

571
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Speaker 2: obviously has long now at this point been a very

572
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Speaker 2: significant figure in American political life, but in some ways

573
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: his reach and influence has only strengthened in Trump two

574
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Speaker 2: point zero. He's really entered this absolute leadership position with

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Speaker 2: the Stop Oligarchy tour. So, doctor, if you could just

576
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Speaker 2: tell us a little bit why you jumped in this

577
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Speaker 2: race and the significance of receiving Center Sanders endorsement.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Crystal, Look, it just shouldn't be this hard in

579
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Speaker 6: the richest, most powerful country in the world, just to

580
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Speaker 6: get by, to afford your groceries, to go see a

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Speaker 6: doctor without being afraid that you're going to go into

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Speaker 6: medical debt, to know that your kid's going to have

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Speaker 6: a good school or even childcare. To believe that you

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Speaker 6: have your job tomorrow and that that job will pay

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Speaker 6: you enough to be able to afford your home. These

586
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Speaker 6: are things that you should be able to take for

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Speaker 6: granted in our country, and you can't. And the very

588
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Speaker 6: people who've weaponized all of that pain are now making

589
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 6: it worse. Whether it's Donald Trump or doze in Elon Musk,

590
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 6: they are weaponizing against government to deliver to the very

591
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Speaker 6: people who've put us in the situation. And when I

592
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Speaker 6: ran into eighteen for governor, I said something that people

593
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Speaker 6: weren't quite ready to hear, which is that Donald Trump

594
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 6: isn't the disease. He's just the worst symptom of the disease,

595
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Speaker 6: and the disease is a government that has been corrupted

596
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Speaker 6: by the power of billionaires and corporations and oligarchs in

597
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Speaker 6: ways that have left them monetizing us. And I'm really

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Speaker 6: grateful to earn Senator Sanders support because he's somebody who's

599
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 6: recognized that guaranteeing healthcare and building an economy that works

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Speaker 6: for working people should be common sense. We shouldn't be

601
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Speaker 6: having debates about whether or not Democrats can believing these

602
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Speaker 6: things when this party was supposed to be built for

603
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Speaker 6: working people. And so both of us are about the

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Speaker 6: work of taking the party back more importantly, delivering government

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Speaker 6: that works for people. That's what I've done my whole

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Speaker 6: career as a health director in Wayne County and in Detroit,

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Speaker 6: erasing seven hundred million dollars in medical debt, making sure

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Speaker 6: kids had classes on their faces when they needed them.

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Speaker 6: That's what we need in the Senate right now, and

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Speaker 6: I look forward to being able to serve my state

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Speaker 6: this way.

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Speaker 2: What is your assessment of how Democrats have responded to

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Speaker 2: this iteration of the Trump administration.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think you've heard it right.

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Speaker 6: The rollover and play dead Unfortunately, that's not what we need.

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Speaker 4: We need to fight.

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Speaker 6: And the tough part about it is this is when

618
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Speaker 6: people get elected, they sometimes mistake their job as a

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Speaker 6: representative or a senator for the procedural parts.

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Speaker 4: Of the job, how you vote.

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Speaker 6: And when they were given the opportunity to use the

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Speaker 6: procedural part of the job to stand up on that

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Speaker 6: continuing resolution, they missed that. But then, bigger picture, the

624
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Speaker 6: ability to show up and fight back. People want to

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Speaker 6: know that they're congress people, even if they don't have

626
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Speaker 6: the procedural capacity to change what government's doing or hold

627
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Speaker 6: Trump accountable right now, that they would if they could.

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Speaker 6: And that means being willing to call out Trump, but

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Speaker 6: also not just fight back, remember what you're fighting for.

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Speaker 6: And here's where the party, I think has had such

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Speaker 6: a challenge. We do this thing, Democrats of trying to

632
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Speaker 6: triangulate to a message that's going to make everybody happy enough, right,

633
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Speaker 6: so it's going to be perfectly inoffensive to the donors

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Speaker 6: who've been writing too many of those big checks that

635
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Speaker 6: have corrupted our government. And then we end up saying

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Speaker 6: nothing at all, but saying it with enthusiasm. And then

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Speaker 6: you just look ridiculous, and so for us, we've got

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Speaker 6: to go continue a conversation with the people, understand what

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Speaker 6: is causing their pain, have real clear solutions to solving it,

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Speaker 6: and then be willing to take that solution to the streets.

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Speaker 6: And I think if we do that, we win votes,

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Speaker 6: we win back power, and we can actually take that

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Speaker 6: pain and turn it into something bigger than cynicism, which

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Speaker 6: I believe is hope.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree with that. I want to talk

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Speaker 2: to you a little bit about the primary field. I

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Speaker 2: know one of your main opponents is Haley Stephens. She's

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Speaker 2: a current representative. You know, I think you would classify

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Speaker 2: as more aligned with the kind of establishment of the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party. She's also taken some significant funding from APAC

651
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Speaker 2: and has been a pretty reliable pro Israel vote. So

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Speaker 2: I wonder you know your thoughts about how you contrast

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Speaker 2: with her, and also how much you think that Israel's

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Speaker 2: what I think you and I both agree is a

655
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Speaker 2: genocidal assault in Gaza. How significant that will be in

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Speaker 2: this race.

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Speaker 4: I mean, let's just step back here for a second.

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Speaker 6: APAK is a wash in funding that has supported Donald Trump,

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Speaker 6: and if you're going to take MAGA money to try

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Speaker 6: and beat a fellow democrat.

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Speaker 4: I just think one has to answer for that.

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Speaker 6: I believe deeply that in our country, when you look

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Speaker 6: at our schools, you have to ask, why is it

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Speaker 6: that we ship out billions of dollars to a rich

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Speaker 6: country's military to drop bombs on other kids and their schools,

666
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Speaker 6: rather than investing in our own. And I just think

667
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Speaker 6: that's a simple question we ought to be asking, you know.

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Speaker 6: And when it comes to what's happening in Gaza, there's

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Speaker 6: no doubt that this I don't know another word for

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Speaker 6: what happens when you kill fifty thousand people in counting,

671
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Speaker 6: you render their homes unlivable, you try to push them

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Speaker 6: into another country because people in that country you speak

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Speaker 6: the same language. I don't know what word you call that.

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Speaker 6: And so for me, I just think it's common sense.

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Speaker 6: I would rather spend our money here invested in our

676
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Speaker 6: kids rather than killing a broad kids abroad. And I

677
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 6: don't think that we should be sending our money to

678
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Speaker 6: a foreign military that is committing acts that we would

679
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Speaker 6: never ever ever be okay, committed on our kids, and

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Speaker 6: so we deserve a lot better. And I just think

681
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Speaker 6: that there are open questions that need to be asked

682
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Speaker 6: about what happens when you take MAGA money to support

683
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Speaker 6: that kind of thing abroad to try and call shots

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Speaker 6: in a Democratic primary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is far from the most important question here,

686
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Speaker 2: But you know, I think what's being done in Gaza

687
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: is far beyond some sort of sectarian divide. We've seen

688
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Speaker 2: the way that especially the base of the Democratic Party

689
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Speaker 2: is horrified by what our tax sellers do there, whether

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Speaker 2: you're Christian, Muslim, Jewish, et cetera. That being said, I

691
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Speaker 2: am curious your assessment of how your stance, which would

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Speaker 2: be the strongest stance of any senator, including Senator Sanders,

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Speaker 2: if you were able to get elected to the Senate,

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Speaker 2: how your stance is being received politically, because Michigan does

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Speaker 2: have a significant Jewish population, Michigan also obviously has a

696
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Speaker 2: very significant Muslim population, So I wonder what your conversations

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Speaker 2: with voters have been like thus far.

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Speaker 4: No, Crystal, I don't.

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Speaker 6: You shouldn't have to be any one religion to see

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Speaker 6: things that are obviously wrong and call them out. So

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Speaker 6: my conversation, I hope is with Michiganders of stripes, my

702
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Speaker 6: Jewish sisters and brothers, my Muslim sisters and brothers, my

703
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Speaker 6: Christian sisters and brothers, my Atheist sisters and brothers, about

704
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Speaker 6: the question of what we should be doing with our

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Speaker 6: tax dollars. I don't think we should be sending them

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Speaker 6: abroad to drop bombs on other people's children. I just

707
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 6: think that you shouldn't that there is no there is

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Speaker 6: no tribe, there is no ethnicity or race or religion

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Speaker 6: that should stand in the way of just seeing that.

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Speaker 6: And that's the conversation I'm hoping have. And I'll tell

711
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Speaker 6: you it's common sense. And so when you go and

712
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Speaker 6: have that conversation, despite the fact that you know there

713
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Speaker 6: are a lot of folks who in politics believe that

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Speaker 6: saying the obvious thing is verbotant, When you just have

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Speaker 6: that conversation with people, most of the time, people's heads

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00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 6: nod and they wonder why more people aren't saying the

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Speaker 6: same thing. So what I'm asking is that we should

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Speaker 6: be spending our money here at home. We should be

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Speaker 6: investing in our schools and our health care. And by

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Speaker 6: the way, when I go talk about an economy for

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Speaker 6: working people, when I go talk about guaranteeing people health care,

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Speaker 6: when I go talk about investing more in public schools.

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Speaker 4: The big pushback I happen to.

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Speaker 6: Hear from folks, unfortunately in my party as well, is

725
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Speaker 6: that we just don't have the money to do that.

726
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Speaker 6: And so the question we have to ask is, okay,

727
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 6: so where does our money go? And unfortunately too much

728
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Speaker 6: of it goes abroad to do things that are not

729
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Speaker 6: consistent with our values or our beliefs. And so my

730
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Speaker 6: point is, maybe instead of spending it there to do

731
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 6: awful things, maybe we should be spending it here to

732
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Speaker 6: do good things. And if that's as common sense as

733
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Speaker 6: it sounds, it's because it is, and so it's not

734
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Speaker 6: very difficult to convince people of common sense.

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Speaker 4: That's what we're trying to do here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did want to get to your reaction to

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Speaker 2: some news that is breaking out in Michigan with the

738
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Speaker 2: understanding that it's sort of you know, early, and we

739
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: don't know all the details here, but we can put

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Speaker 2: this video obtained by Status Who's Ashley Bishop up on

741
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Speaker 2: the screen here. What you're watching is FBI and police

742
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Speaker 2: raiding homes of pro Palestine activists in and around University

743
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Speaker 2: of Michigan. There were a number of houses that experienced

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Speaker 2: these raids. The early indications are this was actually directed

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Speaker 2: by the Democratic attorney general. So I'm just curious your reaction.

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Speaker 2: You're understand ending of what this is all about, and

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Speaker 2: you know, I'd also love to hear your thoughts more

748
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: broadly on something Soger and I've been covering a lot,

749
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Speaker 2: which is this quite authoritarian crackdown on any speech and

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Speaker 2: dissent from this government's policy visa the Israel.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Christal, I really appreciate you covering it because I

752
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 6: think it is the big context question we all have

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Speaker 6: to be asking. I don't know the specific details about

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Speaker 6: what perpetuated that raid. Obviously the raid was directed by

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Speaker 6: our attorney general here in Michigan. It was signed off

756
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Speaker 6: on by a judge. I want to understand specifically what

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Speaker 6: and why they felt like it was important to have

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Speaker 6: a multi jurisdictional raid where they were breaking down people's doors,

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Speaker 6: because my understanding is if it's about vandalism, usually those

760
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Speaker 6: kinds of raids are kept for dangerous, you know, crimes

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Speaker 6: that involve violence against people. That being said, I just

762
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 6: think it's important for us to zoom back out and

763
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Speaker 6: understand that right now we're watching as the federal government

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Speaker 6: as being what the against people for doing things like

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Speaker 6: signing their name to an op ed when it comes

766
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Speaker 6: to standing up for Palestinian rights, and they're trying to

767
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Speaker 6: crack down on universities because of peaceful protests in those communities.

768
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Speaker 6: People literally getting disappeared because they were willing to use

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Speaker 6: the freedom of speech, which is guaranteed to people in

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Speaker 6: our country. Citizens are not and I just think it's

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Speaker 6: really important for us to recognize that this is not normal.

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Speaker 6: And so I don't know the specifics about this case,

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Speaker 6: and I'll wait and see to see whether or not

774
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Speaker 6: the use of this kind of force was substantiated. But

775
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Speaker 6: more broadly, it is really concerning when you start seeing

776
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Speaker 6: our government weaponized against the freedom of speech, and that

777
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 6: should concern us all. And I think for even folks

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Speaker 6: who were not involved in the campus protests.

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Speaker 4: If you protest anything, if.

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Speaker 6: You're willing to send a letter to the editor of

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Speaker 6: your newspaper for something as simple as a disagreement, for example,

782
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Speaker 6: with the town board, does this create precedent where they

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Speaker 6: can come after you. And I worry that it does,

784
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Speaker 6: especially when you consider the fact that right now the

785
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Speaker 6: Trump administration believes that it is outside the bounds of

786
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Speaker 6: court orders, and so I just worry a lot about

787
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Speaker 6: what this means about our freedom of speech, and I

788
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 6: think we need to step up to make sure that

789
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Speaker 6: in these United States there is a rule of law

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Speaker 6: that is bigger than any one president or any one

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Speaker 6: law enforcement official, and that rule of law should reign

792
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Speaker 6: supreme do process matters, And we just need to make

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Speaker 6: sure that we are not forgetting that broader context, because

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Speaker 6: I worry that we're seeing people across our country and

795
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Speaker 6: universities being broken over this in ways that the rule

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Speaker 6: of law seems to be thrown out the window as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and related to that last question I had for

798
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Speaker 2: you is there's a bit of a like annoying Twitter

799
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Speaker 2: debate playing out over how Democrats should focus their message

800
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Speaker 2: because obviously Trump's trade war is disastrously unpopular, his economic

801
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: approper rating has fallen off a cliff. You have a

802
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: deep concerns that he may be, you know, personally triggering

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Speaker 2: a mass economic crisis and recession that is going to

804
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Speaker 2: impact every single person in this country. At the same time,

805
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: you see those authoritarian abuses which are also terrifying for

806
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Speaker 2: the future of our country, things like you know, the

807
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: case of kil Mar Abrego Garcia, where he's wrongfully deported

808
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: into this Elsalvadorian basically torture dungeon, and the administration's position is, no,

809
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Speaker 2: you don't get a chance to have your day in

810
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: court and nowhere under no obligation to fix what we

811
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Speaker 2: even acknowledged was a mistake in shipping him off there.

812
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Speaker 2: And obviously he's not the only one. He's garnered the

813
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Speaker 2: most attention because of the Supreme Court ruling, because of

814
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Speaker 2: the clear cut nature of his case, But all of

815
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Speaker 2: the individuals who were disappeared into that prison had no recourse,

816
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Speaker 2: had no due process, had no ability to contest the

817
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Speaker 2: nature of not just a deportation of an imprisonment potentially

818
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Speaker 2: for life. So I'm curious, you know, in this debate

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Speaker 2: of you've got people, oh well, just don't really talk

820
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Speaker 2: about that, because Trump's on better ground with immigration and

821
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Speaker 2: he's on weaker ground with regard to tariffs. So that's

822
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Speaker 2: where you should be training all of your fire, and

823
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Speaker 2: that's a real way to defeat him and defeat what

824
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Speaker 2: is a horrific and I would say fascistic movement. I

825
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Speaker 2: was just wondering how you're thinking about those pieces. When

826
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Speaker 2: there are so many on a daily basis horrors to

827
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Speaker 2: focus on, and media space is limited to a certain degree,

828
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Speaker 2: how many things we can really train our attention to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I said a lot of things that were complicated.

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Speaker 6: I went to bed school. This one's not that complicated.

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Speaker 6: The biggest issue I think we have right now is

832
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Speaker 6: that we are running scared. We're scared of what we believe.

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Speaker 6: And when you're scared of what you believe, that means

834
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Speaker 6: that people see it in you and they.

835
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Speaker 4: Don't think you believe it all that strongly.

836
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Speaker 6: I think we have to stop being so afraid of

837
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Speaker 6: what we believe, and we can walk in chew gum

838
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 6: at the same time, but you have to stand up

839
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Speaker 6: and believe what you're saying and say it clearly, honestly

840
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Speaker 6: and with conviction consistently. Look, the other part of this, though,

841
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 6: is that you can't just say what you're against.

842
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is the other part of the mistake.

843
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Speaker 6: He creates such a smoke screen and you point to

844
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 6: that one or that one or that one, and you say,

845
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Speaker 6: which one of these should I focus on. Well, you

846
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 6: can say that they're all wrong, But more importantly, people

847
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 6: want to understand what your alternative is, so you cannot

848
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Speaker 6: be afraid of telling people.

849
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Speaker 4: What you think the world ought to look like.

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Speaker 6: And in response to Trump, who is chaotic and self

851
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 6: serving and ham handed, we've got opportunities to step up

852
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 6: and say, hey, listen, we understand that you are facing

853
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 6: a lot of pain, and we understand that a lot

854
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 6: of that could be solved by government, and also could

855
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 6: be made a lot worse by government when they go

856
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 6: after people they deport them for signing their name to

857
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Speaker 6: an op ed or they are now out of the

858
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Speaker 6: bounds of American courts, that could be weaponized against you.

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Speaker 4: That will make the pain a lot worse.

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Speaker 6: And at the same time, we can take our government

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Speaker 6: and our economics back from the corporations that have rigged

862
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 6: the system in ways that leave you deeply, deeply insecure,

863
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Speaker 6: and we can guarantee you healthcare. We can talk about

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Speaker 6: all those things at the same time. We got to

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Speaker 6: vision of what the world ought to be. Too often

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Speaker 6: democrats are too afraid of painting that vision because they're

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Speaker 6: just think that if you're willing to say, look, that's

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Speaker 6: you know, these folks actually have a vision and they

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Speaker 6: want to work for that vision, and maybe that's a

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Speaker 6: real alternative for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that's so well said that you know all

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Speaker 2: these like let's check the polls and let's focus test it.

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Speaker 2: It's like people can see when you are trying to

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Speaker 2: pander versus you actually have a position you're willing to

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Speaker 2: fight for it, and I think that has been one

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Speaker 2: of the major downfalls of the Democratic Party in recent years. Doctor,

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Speaker 2: tell people where they can find, follow and support your campaign.

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Speaker 6: I hope that folks will check out Abdul for Senate

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Speaker 6: dot com. Please do sign up to volunteer if you're

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Speaker 6: in Michigan, hostess at a house party, or chip us

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Speaker 6: a couple bucks, five bucks, ten bucks.

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Speaker 4: I don't take corporate pack money, so I rely on you.

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Speaker 6: And then if you're out of state, sign up to volunteer,

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Speaker 6: and also just check us out on socials, share our stuff,

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Speaker 6: be a part of this conversation.

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Speaker 4: This is about more than just one election.

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Speaker 6: It's about taking our politics back and building the kind

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Speaker 6: of America where we are true to our ideals of

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Speaker 6: a government of the people, for the people, and by

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Speaker 6: the people. And Crystal, thank you so much for the

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Speaker 6: conversations you drive every day and for having me and

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Speaker 6: allowing me to share your space today.

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Speaker 2: Well, I really appreciate you taking the time out. I

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Speaker 2: know you've got a lot going on, so it's always

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Speaker 2: great to see you.

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Speaker 1: Good luck.

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Speaker 2: We're looking forward to seeing your voice out there. Thank

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Speaker 2: you all right, guys, thanks so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Sager had to run out and take care of something

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Speaker 2: real quick, but we will be back here some subset

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Speaker 2: of us, I'm not sure exactly who yet. We'll be

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Speaker 2: here for the Friday show tomorrow. I'm sure there will

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Speaker 2: be a million things for us to cover and get

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Speaker 2: to appreciate you all. Have a great day.