WEBVTT - Introducing Business History: The Edison Invention People Don't Talk About

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Hey, it's Jacob. Today. We are going to play

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<v Speaker 1>for you an episode of a new show that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>hosting in addition to What's Your Problem. The new show

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<v Speaker 1>is called Business History because it's a show about the

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<v Speaker 1>history of business. I'm hosting it with Robert Smith, who

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<v Speaker 1>some of you might remember I used to work with

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<v Speaker 1>at Planet Money. He was a co host at Planet Money.

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<v Speaker 1>And the episode we're going to play today is about

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Edison, who is an extremely What's Your Problem kind

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<v Speaker 1>of guy, huge figure in the history of technology, very

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<v Speaker 1>interesting in many ways. This is actually the first of

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<v Speaker 1>a three episode series we're doing about Edison. If you

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<v Speaker 1>a week over the next few weeks in the Business

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the show Business History, Episode two Edison Part one.

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<v Speaker 1>What if that's the segment that's sponsored, sponsored by what

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<v Speaker 1>by whoever wants to pay for it. We can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that afterwards. I suppose Thomas Edison died in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one. He was eighty four years old, and when

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<v Speaker 1>he died, the President of the United States, Herbert Hoover,

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<v Speaker 1>decided that Edison was such a big deal that the

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<v Speaker 1>whole country, the entire United States, needed a moment of mourning.

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<v Speaker 1>So Hoover is talking this over with his says, what

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<v Speaker 1>should we do to honor Edison? And somebody says, what

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<v Speaker 1>if the whole country turns off the electricity for one

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<v Speaker 1>minute to honor Thomas Edison, the man who brought electricity

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<v Speaker 1>to the masses. And you're laughing for what I think

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<v Speaker 1>is an obvious reason, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you think about it, who needs electricity all

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<v Speaker 2>the time?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Everyone?

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody, Fire departments, hospital, sanitation systems, They all needed every

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<v Speaker 2>minute they need this thing that Edison helped create, electric power, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing that nobody had, nobody had, you know a few

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<v Speaker 1>decades before this crucially right, this itself is testament to Edison. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>this fact that if you turn off electricity for one minute,

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<v Speaker 1>people will die. And Hoover actually puts out this official

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<v Speaker 1>statement where he walks through this thought process that he

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<v Speaker 1>and his aides have gone through. He writes, quote, this

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<v Speaker 1>demonstration of the dependence of the country upon electrical current

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<v Speaker 1>for its life and health is in itself a monument

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<v Speaker 1>to mister Edison's genius. And so Hoover decides, Okay, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do this more modest thing where it's like, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to turn off the lights for one minute at

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<v Speaker 1>ten PM, and a lot of the country does it, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine the nation city in the dark for

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<v Speaker 2>sixty seconds, just waiting to turn the lights back on.

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<v Speaker 2>You can hear a fridge whirring in the background. Did

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<v Speaker 2>not exist when Edison was born. Maybe the radio's playing

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<v Speaker 2>softly that wasn't around. And when the light comes back on,

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<v Speaker 2>people could see cars in the streets, planes in the

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<v Speaker 2>sky that didn't exist fifty years earlier. You could see

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<v Speaker 2>the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building.

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<v Speaker 1>Both brand new at the time, as were skyscrapers in general,

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<v Speaker 1>because you couldn't build a skyscraper if you didn't have electricity,

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<v Speaker 1>because nobody's going to walk. What is it one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>stories up right, buildings were like ten stories tall max.

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<v Speaker 1>Before electric grids.

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<v Speaker 2>When we look back, Edison's life was probably this moment

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<v Speaker 2>in US history where the most progress was made between

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<v Speaker 2>the time he was born and the time he died

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<v Speaker 2>technological progress, and if you look in such a compressed

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<v Speaker 2>period of time, it is unimaginable how much life changed

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<v Speaker 2>for people.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly if you were eighty years old, but even if

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<v Speaker 1>you were sixty years old, your life was entirely different

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<v Speaker 1>by nineteen thirty than it had been when you were

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<v Speaker 1>a small child. And you know, to be clear, Edison

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the cause of all of that. He didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>anything to do with cars and planes. He didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>invent the light bulb, in fact, though people thought he did.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was this myth of Edison that was part

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<v Speaker 1>of the story. But I think Edison really did do

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<v Speaker 1>as much as anybody. He certainly did an incredible amount

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<v Speaker 1>to use technology and business to bring about this incredible

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<v Speaker 1>change in daily life for hundreds of millions of people.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Jacob Goldstein and I'm Robert Smith. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>Business History, a show about the history of business.

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<v Speaker 1>So why would call it business history? Because it's about

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<v Speaker 1>the history of business. And today we are starting on

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<v Speaker 1>a three part series big pretty sure it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be three about Thomas Edison. Edison was this incredible figure

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways. He was an inventor, a tinker.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like a grinder, you know, workaholic, huge self promoter,

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<v Speaker 1>great entrepreneur. Invented the photograph, built the first electric grid

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<v Speaker 1>of any size to light up Lower Manhattan, controlled essentially

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<v Speaker 1>the entire American movie business. But today, in the first

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<v Speaker 1>episode about Edison, I'm going to argue that the most

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<v Speaker 1>important thing he did came before any of that, and

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't even any particular thing or system that he invented.

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<v Speaker 1>It was this kind of meta breakthrough. It was this

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<v Speaker 1>new way of inventing, and it happened early in Edison's life.

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<v Speaker 1>It happened before he was thirty years old. So he

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<v Speaker 1>came up with a new way of inventing that industrialized invention,

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<v Speaker 1>and that really created the template for the modern twentieth

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<v Speaker 1>century style of progress. That was his great break.

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<v Speaker 2>Which we see even to Internet AI everything. Thomas Alva Edison,

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<v Speaker 2>it's one of those people you love saying is middle

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<v Speaker 2>name Alva He was born in what was already an

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<v Speaker 2>age of miracles. There was the railroad, and there was

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<v Speaker 2>the telegraph, and they were shrinking this very notion of distance,

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<v Speaker 2>of time and space. It felt like an age that

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<v Speaker 2>was on the move, and the spirit of invention, of

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<v Speaker 2>innovation was everywhere. And Edison had this particular combination of traits, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He was an inventor, that's we learned about in school,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, but he was also a hustler, an entrepreneur.

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<v Speaker 2>He was interested in new things, but he always asked himself,

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<v Speaker 2>what are people willing to pay for?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's really striking. You see both of these traits,

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<v Speaker 1>the entrepreneur and the inventor of the tinker. You see

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<v Speaker 1>them from very early in his life. You see him

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<v Speaker 1>from when he's a kid, a little kid. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>born in eighteen forty seven in a town called Port Huron, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>On the show of Lake Huron, I'll be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 1>I did not remember as one of the great lakes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the greatest of the lakes. You have

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<v Speaker 1>got it, have you been.

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<v Speaker 2>I was born between Lake Huron and Lake Erie in London, Ontario, Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't have got it. Yeah. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>born on the shore of Lake Huron, this little town

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<v Speaker 1>out in the middle of nowhere. He barely goes to school,

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<v Speaker 1>goes to school for like a few months here and there.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a bad distracted student and he's working from

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<v Speaker 1>a young age. When he's twelve, he gets a job

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<v Speaker 1>selling like candy and newspapers on the train that goes

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth from Port Huron to Detroit. He's working

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<v Speaker 1>the angles, he's hustling. There's this detail that I love,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, you know, when the train gets to Detroit,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets a bunch of newspapers to sell on the

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<v Speaker 1>way back to Port Huron. And if he has some

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<v Speaker 1>unsold papers, when he's almost back to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the line, while the train is still moving at the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of town in Port Huron, there's this like sandbank

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<v Speaker 1>or something. He throws the bundle of papers off the

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<v Speaker 1>train into the sandbank. Then he jumps off the moving

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<v Speaker 1>train after him and walks home, selling the papers one

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<v Speaker 1>by one.

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<v Speaker 2>These days, we don't let twelve year olds out by themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in the modern era, these guy's jumping off trains.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like obviously a bad idea, but in my heart,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of love it, like in my twelve year

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<v Speaker 1>old boy heart's seat on the log Yeah yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know he's out there selling newspapers on the train,

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<v Speaker 1>off the train, and after a little while he thinks, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like a chump. I'm out here working for

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<v Speaker 1>the man. I could be selling my own papers. And

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<v Speaker 1>so he buys a used printing press, puts it into

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<v Speaker 1>some space on a baggage car on the train, and

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<v Speaker 1>starts printing his own newspaper on the train.

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<v Speaker 2>What is he reporting on? Like the guy in seat

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen B. You know he's got a hot tip.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's not a lot of news. It's that news heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>You might call it a newsletter. Yeah, okay, the Weekly Herald,

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas A. Edison publisher. It's like one page, but selling

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<v Speaker 1>it and making all the profits and keeping all the

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<v Speaker 1>profits right, cutting out the middle man. So there's entrepreneur Edison,

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<v Speaker 1>and like right next to entrepreneur Edison in that same

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<v Speaker 1>baggage car, you see Edison the inventor, because next to

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<v Speaker 1>the printing press, he sets up this little chemistry lab.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's got like magnesium and potassium. He's like making

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<v Speaker 2>things turn purple.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm imagining like things bubbling. I don't I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one thing I do know, which is he has

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<v Speaker 1>some phosphorus. And the reason I know he has fosporus, right, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>is at some point the phosphorus like spills or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>and starts a fire on the train bag, on the train,

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<v Speaker 1>on the train car. Yeah, which is like, obviously that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna happen. You have a teenage boy with like dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>chemicals out to trade. Of course you're gonna start a fire.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course if you do that, you're gonna get fired,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what happens to Edison. So he gets fired

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<v Speaker 1>and now comes this very Horatio Alger turn and that

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<v Speaker 1>is this So not long before the fire and the firing,

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<v Speaker 1>Edison has been hanging out at a train station and

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<v Speaker 1>there is this little toddler stay with me, who is

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<v Speaker 1>out playing on the track and a loose car train

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<v Speaker 1>car comes rolling at the toddler and sees it happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and he goes it grabs the toddler and brings him

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<v Speaker 1>to safety.

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<v Speaker 2>And this story is almost too perfect, right. A runaway

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<v Speaker 2>box car toddler on the tracks is Steven Spielberg writ

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<v Speaker 2>this apocryphull the word you're looking for. The history he

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<v Speaker 2>gave is apocryphal, too good to be true.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I looked at this and thought about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is true. You know, there is one

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<v Speaker 1>recent biographer of this guy, Randall Strauss, who is like

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<v Speaker 1>particularly skeptical of Edison's self mythologizing, and he thinks it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can see letters between Edison and the kids dad.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the world used to just be more wild, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like more dangerous. So yes, I think it's true. But

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<v Speaker 1>at this moment it is in fact helpful for Edison

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<v Speaker 1>because because the father of the child that Edison rescues

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<v Speaker 1>runs the station but also is a telegraph operator, and

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<v Speaker 1>so when Edison gets fired, this grateful father teaches Edison

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<v Speaker 1>to be a telegraph operator. This is the next phase

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<v Speaker 1>of Edison's life, right, Being a telegraph operator proves to

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<v Speaker 1>be a huge opportunity for him. But I want to

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<v Speaker 1>say one thing first, because it's another big moment, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is Edison, by the time he's twelve years old,

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<v Speaker 1>is mostly deaf, like not entirely deaf. People can shout

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<v Speaker 1>to him and he can hear but the key quote

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<v Speaker 1>he has later is I haven't heard a bird sing

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<v Speaker 1>since I was twelve years old, which is poignant, especially

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<v Speaker 1>for like I was gonna spoiler alert invent the phonograph,

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<v Speaker 1>but he said Edison said he didn't mind it. It

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<v Speaker 1>helped him focus, helped him like tune out distractions. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a very focused man. And there is this actually

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<v Speaker 1>lovely detail which is later in his life when he's

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<v Speaker 1>like famous and going to lectures, you know in big halls,

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<v Speaker 1>when you can't hear what the guy is saying, his

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<v Speaker 1>assistant will tap on Edison's leg. We'll tap with the

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<v Speaker 1>person is saying in morse code.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is an opportunity for Edison because at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>like the telegraph is the cutting edge communication tool, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just exploding at this time. They've just around this

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<v Speaker 2>time laid the first transatlantic cable. Suddenly you could communicate instantaneously.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, You're in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Midst of a civil war. People want to know the news,

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<v Speaker 2>and suddenly they can know it. They can move troops,

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<v Speaker 2>they can know what's happening, and people are just sort

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<v Speaker 2>of getting used to this idea of information is not

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<v Speaker 2>this rare thing that you print on the newspaper and

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<v Speaker 2>deliver the next day. Like information is power, it's instantaneous. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Edison learning.

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<v Speaker 1>To be a telegraph operator is him walking into this

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<v Speaker 1>great technological moment of his time. And there is this

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<v Speaker 1>one particular story that I love about how transformation all

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<v Speaker 1>the tele is. It's about a pickpocket gang in London

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<v Speaker 1>run by a guy named Fiddler Dick. Govnor watch out

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<v Speaker 1>for Fiddler Dick. Uh very good. What Fiddler Dick's gang

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<v Speaker 1>does is this, They loiter on a train platform and

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<v Speaker 1>then the train pulls in, and you know, it's chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>People are getting off the train, people are getting on,

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<v Speaker 1>they're moving around, they've got all their stuff out, and

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<v Speaker 1>Fiddler Dick and his boys pick the pockets to the

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<v Speaker 1>people in the crowd, and then just as the train's

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<v Speaker 1>about to pull out, they hop on the train and

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<v Speaker 1>head to the next station. And this is an incredible strategy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you are on a moving train in say

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty, there is literally no way to send information

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<v Speaker 1>faster than you are traveling. You might as well be

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<v Speaker 1>going at the speed of light, because no message is

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<v Speaker 1>going to get to your destination before you do, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So then you just get off the train at the

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<v Speaker 1>next station, and nobody knows anything is a miss. And

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<v Speaker 1>then one day in eighteen forty four, a cop in

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<v Speaker 1>London sees the Fiddler Dick gang strike right, somebody the

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<v Speaker 1>platform's like, whatever, my wallet, whatever, I don't know. Somebot

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<v Speaker 1>to stop that boy, and they're on the train and

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<v Speaker 1>they're gone. But then the cup is like, oh wait

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, we got a telegraph now, and you're just telegraphs.

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<v Speaker 1>They head to the next station. Fiddler Dick out of

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<v Speaker 1>the boys get arrested. Thank you Telegraph. Here's Fiddler Dick.

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<v Speaker 1>You got Fiddler Dick by the telegraph. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>the world that Edison is going into. And it means

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<v Speaker 1>that if you know how to send and receive Morse code,

0:14:52.076 --> 0:14:54.036
<v Speaker 1>you can write your ticket. It's like being a coder

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<v Speaker 1>in whatever twenty twenty. What it was the best year

0:14:56.116 --> 0:14:57.996
<v Speaker 1>to be a coder? Twenty twenty? Probably right.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we should just say here, if Netflix

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<v Speaker 2>is listening in, we could write the Adventures of Young Edison,

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<v Speaker 2>telegraph operator, traveling the nation, solving crime, wading inventions. I

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<v Speaker 2>love it, actually, yes, next time on the Adventures of

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<v Speaker 2>Young Thomas Edison.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good it's basically this episode, but with a little

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<v Speaker 1>more like murder. Well, sure, that's here's a murder.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be back in just a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Edison, he's going from town to town, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's in Indianapolis, Memphis, Louisville, and he'll roll into town,

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<v Speaker 1>get a room with some other telegraph operators, and go

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<v Speaker 1>to work and make money. And he's spending all his

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<v Speaker 1>money still experimenting, buying chemicals and stuff to build batteries.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's this moment in Louisville. Actually his room is

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<v Speaker 1>above the telegraph office and he spills some acid on

0:16:06.756 --> 0:16:09.396
<v Speaker 1>the floor and it eats a hole through the floor

0:16:09.436 --> 0:16:12.036
<v Speaker 1>and drips down into like the boss's office below. So

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<v Speaker 1>he gets fired, but who cares, right, he's like a

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<v Speaker 1>teenager and he has this valuable skill. So he winds

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<v Speaker 1>up eventually in Boston as a telegraph operator. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is where there's kind of a big turn, the next

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<v Speaker 1>big turn in his life.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the classic story of an entrepreneur, right, you

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<v Speaker 2>need to have the basic skills, you need to have

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of ideas, but you also have to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of take a risk. You have to have that moment

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<v Speaker 2>of failure before you pivot, and I feel like we're

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<v Speaker 2>about to get to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's right, both the failure and the pivot. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So it's eighteen sixty nine. Edison is twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two years old and he gets his first patent ever,

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<v Speaker 1>first of one thousand and ninety three patents he will

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<v Speaker 1>get legend in his lifetime legend and this one for him,

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<v Speaker 1>it's for an electric vote recorder, right. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>idea is he's in Boston, which is the state capital

0:17:05.236 --> 0:17:10.596
<v Speaker 1>of Massachusetts, right, and you know the voting is super inefficient, right,

0:17:11.076 --> 0:17:15.836
<v Speaker 1>I whatever. The gentleman from whatever, I don't know what, wherever.

0:17:15.556 --> 0:17:18.396
<v Speaker 2>He sees a he sees a pain point there if

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<v Speaker 2>someone has to write down eyes and knais.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he invents this automatic counting machine and takes

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<v Speaker 1>it to I think it takes it to the state House.

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<v Speaker 1>He takes it to some legislator, takes it to the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, customer, and they're like, look, this is very clever,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll tell you a little secret. We don't actually

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<v Speaker 1>want our votes counted instantly, right. We need that time

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<v Speaker 1>to go talk to the other legislators see if we

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<v Speaker 1>can sway them. Maybe go out in the lobby and

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<v Speaker 1>see if any the lobbyists out there want to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>our campaign contributions or whatever they called them back then. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So in fact, this is not a problem. It would

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<v Speaker 1>it would create a problem for the legislators. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>want it, nobody buys it. He has built a thing

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<v Speaker 1>that nobody wants.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a classic lesson for entrepreneurs. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>even today in business school, people will come up with

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<v Speaker 2>ideas and even make a prototype of it and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>look at how amazing this idea is. And you'll be like, well,

0:18:14.516 --> 0:18:17.356
<v Speaker 2>does anyone want it? Did you talk to your customers

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<v Speaker 2>and like, oh, not yet. But it's clearly genius, so Engavier, right,

0:18:23.876 --> 0:18:29.476
<v Speaker 2>it's having genius. Yeah, having a genius idea without a

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<v Speaker 2>need for it is nothing. It's like not having it

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<v Speaker 2>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It reminded me of you know why Combinator, the

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<v Speaker 1>famous startup incubator in Silicon Valley. I think their motto

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<v Speaker 1>is something like make something people want. And I seem

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<v Speaker 1>to recall, although I could not find evidence of this

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<v Speaker 1>when I went to look for it, but I seem

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<v Speaker 1>to recall that they give entrepreneurs a T shirt if

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<v Speaker 1>their business gets to some level of success that says, congratulations,

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<v Speaker 1>you made something people want. It's a very simple, elegant lesson,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a lesson that Edison really learns, really internalizes

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<v Speaker 1>at this point in his life.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll see this for the rest of his life

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<v Speaker 2>when he he interacts with other inventors, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the king inventor, So he's often brought in to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be like, what do you think about this?

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, they're showing it off to Edison being like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't this amazing? And he's thinking, all right, how much

0:19:21.476 --> 0:19:23.076
<v Speaker 2>can I get for it? Who will pay a nickel

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<v Speaker 2>to use this thing? How I get into stores? Like

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<v Speaker 2>what's the revenue model? Essentially, and this is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that makes him a great inventor and a

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<v Speaker 2>great businessman.

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<v Speaker 1>So Edison takes this lesson and he turns to the

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<v Speaker 1>finance industry smart smart, because finance is just literally the

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<v Speaker 1>business of money, right, and if you can help people

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<v Speaker 1>make more money, they will pay you for that. And

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<v Speaker 1>right around this time, people have started using the telegraph

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<v Speaker 1>to send real time information about stock prices. This is

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<v Speaker 1>basically the invention of the stock ticker is a thing

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<v Speaker 1>that has happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is powerful because if stocks are trading for a

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<v Speaker 2>different price, let's just say in London, New York, New York, Chicago,

0:20:05.276 --> 0:20:09.076
<v Speaker 2>then that's this huge opportunity to buy cheap and want

0:20:09.316 --> 0:20:13.316
<v Speaker 2>place and sell expensive in another place. This arbitrage opportunity.

0:20:13.636 --> 0:20:18.636
<v Speaker 2>And having that information means you can spot those opportunities exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you can improve that a little bit, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can make it faster or clearer, whatever, people will

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<v Speaker 1>make more money. We saw this even into the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>first century when people were building crazy, you know, dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>fiber optic lines and satellite towers and wild things to

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<v Speaker 1>move price information faster. So Edison moves to New York,

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<v Speaker 1>of course finance Wall Street and gets a contract from

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<v Speaker 1>the Golden Stock Telegraph Company of New York City. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that company do? I love old company names, right,

0:20:47.836 --> 0:20:51.676
<v Speaker 1>What does the National Biscuit Company make? They make biscuits.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the Golden Stock Telegraph Company became like

0:20:54.836 --> 0:20:57.636
<v Speaker 2>go Telcom in the eighties and and now is known

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<v Speaker 2>as Spritzel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Fritzel, but no I for some reason. And so

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<v Speaker 1>now Edison is in New York and he is able

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<v Speaker 1>to stop being a telegraph operator, he's able to do

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<v Speaker 1>with his job. Start his first company, straightforward name Newark

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<v Speaker 1>Telegraph Works. Ask me why why was it located in Newark?

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<v Speaker 1>And what did they work on? Telegraph? He's hiring workers,

0:21:22.836 --> 0:21:26.076
<v Speaker 1>he delivers that first stock ticker. And he's also he's

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<v Speaker 1>working on all these incremental improvements, right, like not crazy

0:21:31.796 --> 0:21:33.916
<v Speaker 1>things that are going to make him famous, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>just making all these tweaks that give little efficiency gains,

0:21:38.516 --> 0:21:42.796
<v Speaker 1>you know, little better batteries and weird electrical things. Right.

0:21:43.356 --> 0:21:46.636
<v Speaker 1>His company's growing. He gets married, married to a Jersey

0:21:46.716 --> 0:21:49.956
<v Speaker 1>girl named Mary Stillwell, they buy a house. But Edison

0:21:50.076 --> 0:21:53.236
<v Speaker 1>is definitely not a family man. He's working. He's always

0:21:53.236 --> 0:21:55.796
<v Speaker 1>working all the time. In fact, in his first year

0:21:55.836 --> 0:21:58.636
<v Speaker 1>of marriage he gets thirty nine patents, but I'm sure

0:21:58.636 --> 0:22:02.876
<v Speaker 1>he made it home for dinner never probably zero times.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in eighteen seventy four he comes up with

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<v Speaker 1>a big idea. Doesn't sound like a big idea to us,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is a big idea. It's a system that

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<v Speaker 1>lets you send four messages at once on a single

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<v Speaker 1>telegraph line. Calls it the quadruplex.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, at this point, telegraph was essentially one wire and

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<v Speaker 2>you basically tap into one side of the wirepp peep

0:22:32.676 --> 0:22:34.716
<v Speaker 2>person listens on the other end, taps.

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<v Speaker 1>Back, and the wire is made of copper. Right, it's

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<v Speaker 1>copper wire. So it's expensive. It's expensive, right, And they're

0:22:41.636 --> 0:22:43.956
<v Speaker 1>running the copper wire all over the country, you know,

0:22:43.996 --> 0:22:46.796
<v Speaker 1>across the Atlantic Ocean. Costs a lot of money to

0:22:46.876 --> 0:22:49.636
<v Speaker 1>run all that copper wire, right, And so if you

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<v Speaker 1>can get more messages on the same amount of wire,

0:22:54.276 --> 0:22:59.356
<v Speaker 1>that is a huge efficiency gain, right. That makes things cheaper. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's more efficient. It's something that no one would

0:23:01.796 --> 0:23:03.956
<v Speaker 1>ever see or notice. But if you're running a company,

0:23:04.036 --> 0:23:06.596
<v Speaker 1>I mean that is a huge productivity increase. And I

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<v Speaker 1>want to just like zoom out from this for a moment,

0:23:10.836 --> 0:23:15.476
<v Speaker 1>because you know, we talk about technology now, we talk

0:23:15.516 --> 0:23:19.316
<v Speaker 1>about like amazing things and maybe it's scary, like AI

0:23:19.516 --> 0:23:22.396
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, but it's it's kind of exciting and dramatic.

0:23:22.756 --> 0:23:26.796
<v Speaker 1>But in the long run, maybe the most important thing

0:23:26.796 --> 0:23:29.956
<v Speaker 1>that technology does is make stuff cheaper, makes it cheaper

0:23:29.996 --> 0:23:32.236
<v Speaker 1>to communicate, makes it cheaper to grow food, makes it

0:23:32.276 --> 0:23:36.516
<v Speaker 1>cheaper to make clothes. And when everything gets cheaper, everybody

0:23:36.556 --> 0:23:40.076
<v Speaker 1>gets richer. Right. The way we have had material progress

0:23:40.556 --> 0:23:45.596
<v Speaker 1>is by technology effectively making things cheaper. So shout out

0:23:46.276 --> 0:23:48.796
<v Speaker 1>to that. And that is what Edison is doing here.

0:23:48.796 --> 0:23:51.716
<v Speaker 1>He is making the most important communications technology of its

0:23:51.756 --> 0:23:52.356
<v Speaker 1>stay cheaper.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's on a roll. He's got dozens of inventions

0:23:55.116 --> 0:23:57.636
<v Speaker 2>at this point, he's been tweaking. He's finally got something

0:23:57.916 --> 0:23:59.916
<v Speaker 2>that people are going to pay money for. He's got

0:23:59.916 --> 0:24:05.036
<v Speaker 2>a family, right, But he's not yet this world changing inventor.

0:24:05.356 --> 0:24:08.596
<v Speaker 2>Because there's one last piece of the puzzle any entrepreneur needs,

0:24:08.636 --> 0:24:12.476
<v Speaker 2>and that is scale. He needs money. He needs so

0:24:12.556 --> 0:24:14.036
<v Speaker 2>much money. There's a special name for it.

0:24:14.636 --> 0:24:17.596
<v Speaker 1>Capital. Yeah, he needs capital. Like, I don't know at

0:24:17.596 --> 0:24:19.996
<v Speaker 1>what point does money become capital. I mean, I know

0:24:20.036 --> 0:24:21.956
<v Speaker 1>you could say it's like the structure of it is it.

0:24:21.996 --> 0:24:26.716
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like nobody calls one hundred thousand dollars money, right, that's.

0:24:26.556 --> 0:24:28.356
<v Speaker 2>Not that is investment capital.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, he in fact, at one point writes to

0:24:32.196 --> 0:24:34.116
<v Speaker 1>the head of Western Union. Western Union is the big

0:24:34.116 --> 0:24:36.556
<v Speaker 1>telegraph company. He's doing a lot of work for them.

0:24:36.956 --> 0:24:39.436
<v Speaker 1>He writes to the head of Western Union, I need

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<v Speaker 1>ten nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three or two

0:24:42.796 --> 0:24:47.156
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars anyone you would like to advance he's actually

0:24:47.156 --> 0:24:50.316
<v Speaker 1>writing this to that funny it's good, it's charming. He

0:24:50.396 --> 0:24:53.116
<v Speaker 1>had this kind of homespun charm people talked about like

0:24:53.316 --> 0:24:56.076
<v Speaker 1>he was from the Midwest. He had that Midwestern charm.

0:24:56.116 --> 0:24:57.956
<v Speaker 1>Is that a thing? I think it is for Edison?

0:24:57.996 --> 0:25:00.196
<v Speaker 1>It is dressed in kind of country clothes, even when

0:25:00.196 --> 0:25:02.316
<v Speaker 1>he was famous. So he's writing this to the head

0:25:02.356 --> 0:25:05.276
<v Speaker 1>of Western Union, this big executive, William Morton, and in

0:25:05.316 --> 0:25:08.836
<v Speaker 1>fact Orton advances Edison five thousand dollars and then they

0:25:08.836 --> 0:25:12.956
<v Speaker 1>start to properly negotiate over Edison's big idea over the quadruplex.

0:25:13.596 --> 0:25:17.436
<v Speaker 1>Edison wants twenty five thousand plus royalties. Orton, you know,

0:25:17.516 --> 0:25:20.076
<v Speaker 1>controls Western Union can kind of do whatever he wants.

0:25:20.076 --> 0:25:23.276
<v Speaker 1>So he's sort of I think playing games with Edison, stalling.

0:25:23.316 --> 0:25:26.276
<v Speaker 1>He goes off to the Midwest for Christmas break, and

0:25:26.436 --> 0:25:28.476
<v Speaker 1>Edison is just has to kind of wait around, right,

0:25:28.596 --> 0:25:31.876
<v Speaker 1>has to wait for his big capital infusion. One day,

0:25:31.996 --> 0:25:37.676
<v Speaker 1>as this is happening, into Edison's little Newark, New Jersey, workshop,

0:25:38.196 --> 0:25:40.396
<v Speaker 1>walks Jay Gould.

0:25:41.076 --> 0:25:46.796
<v Speaker 2>Jay Gould legendary. He was a railroad magnet, a big

0:25:46.836 --> 0:25:49.996
<v Speaker 2>financial speculator. O't call him investor, I'm calling him a speculator.

0:25:50.036 --> 0:25:52.956
<v Speaker 2>He was a classic robber baron. But more than that,

0:25:52.996 --> 0:25:55.596
<v Speaker 2>you know, there was this whole robber barons they called him. Right,

0:25:55.996 --> 0:25:58.556
<v Speaker 2>everybody you know thought, oh, they're stealing all our money,

0:25:58.596 --> 0:26:01.996
<v Speaker 2>they're manipulating the markets. But even the robber barons hated

0:26:02.276 --> 0:26:05.516
<v Speaker 2>Jay Gould. He was a robber barons, robber baron. Now

0:26:05.596 --> 0:26:08.796
<v Speaker 2>I will say I've toured his mansion recently up on

0:26:08.836 --> 0:26:11.036
<v Speaker 2>the Highs and River, and the tour guys say he

0:26:11.076 --> 0:26:14.036
<v Speaker 2>was misunderstood. He was actually a really great guy. But

0:26:14.076 --> 0:26:17.796
<v Speaker 2>we'll do a future episode. It's a very nice manchion.

0:26:17.996 --> 0:26:20.436
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Even at the time, right, even at the time,

0:26:20.596 --> 0:26:21.876
<v Speaker 1>people was like the he.

0:26:21.876 --> 0:26:24.556
<v Speaker 2>Was always trying to corner the market, like like take

0:26:24.676 --> 0:26:25.996
<v Speaker 2>all the gold contract.

0:26:25.996 --> 0:26:28.556
<v Speaker 1>I tried to corner gold stuff stuff like that.

0:26:29.236 --> 0:26:33.276
<v Speaker 2>Some economists have argued that he was hated because he

0:26:33.356 --> 0:26:38.076
<v Speaker 2>went against big company interests and in fact things got

0:26:38.156 --> 0:26:38.996
<v Speaker 2>cheaper because of him.

0:26:38.996 --> 0:26:40.796
<v Speaker 1>But we will look at this in the future show.

0:26:40.876 --> 0:26:42.556
<v Speaker 1>Robert bart who is in it for the little guy.

0:26:42.676 --> 0:26:44.836
<v Speaker 1>He was going to give that mansion to the poor someday,

0:26:45.716 --> 0:26:48.676
<v Speaker 1>you know. To be continued. He walks in, this guy,

0:26:48.756 --> 0:26:52.476
<v Speaker 1>this famous guy walks into Edison's little shop, and Gold actually,

0:26:52.476 --> 0:26:56.756
<v Speaker 1>among other things, controls the Atlantic and Pacific Telegraph Company.

0:26:56.996 --> 0:27:00.756
<v Speaker 1>Arrival to Western Union, Jay Gold has heard about the quadruplex,

0:27:01.556 --> 0:27:05.516
<v Speaker 1>and if you're Edison, it is great news when Jay

0:27:05.556 --> 0:27:07.916
<v Speaker 1>Gold walks in the door. Right. It's like that Seven

0:27:08.116 --> 0:27:10.396
<v Speaker 1>Bugs Bunny when Bug Funny looks at a guy and

0:27:10.436 --> 0:27:12.316
<v Speaker 1>the whole guy is just a big bag with a

0:27:12.396 --> 0:27:15.676
<v Speaker 1>dollar sign on it. Right, Because if Western Union is

0:27:15.716 --> 0:27:18.356
<v Speaker 1>all you have, if the head of Western Union is

0:27:18.476 --> 0:27:21.036
<v Speaker 1>jerking around and going off for Christmas break and not

0:27:21.076 --> 0:27:22.996
<v Speaker 1>giving you any money, you don't have any leverage. Right,

0:27:22.996 --> 0:27:25.436
<v Speaker 1>You basically have to just take what they offer. But

0:27:25.596 --> 0:27:29.276
<v Speaker 1>now now there are multiple buyers for what you're selling.

0:27:29.276 --> 0:27:32.116
<v Speaker 1>Now there are multiple buyers for your quadruplex, and you

0:27:32.236 --> 0:27:37.276
<v Speaker 1>have leverage. And so the very next day Edison goes

0:27:37.356 --> 0:27:41.076
<v Speaker 1>to Gould's mansion on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, goes down

0:27:41.116 --> 0:27:44.916
<v Speaker 1>to Gould's office in the basement, and Edison actually wrote

0:27:44.916 --> 0:27:48.996
<v Speaker 1>about this exchange later. Edison wrote, Here's what he wrote.

0:27:49.036 --> 0:27:51.196
<v Speaker 1>Gould started in at once and asked me how much

0:27:51.196 --> 0:27:54.356
<v Speaker 1>I wanted. I said, make me an offer. Then he said,

0:27:54.596 --> 0:27:57.436
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you thirty thousand dollars and I said, I'll

0:27:57.476 --> 0:28:00.196
<v Speaker 1>sell any interest I may have for that money, which

0:28:00.276 --> 0:28:01.876
<v Speaker 1>was somewhat more than I thought I could get.

0:28:02.676 --> 0:28:06.316
<v Speaker 2>Great negotiating lesson always let the other guy say the

0:28:06.396 --> 0:28:10.596
<v Speaker 2>number first, because right, if it's more than you wanted, you.

0:28:10.796 --> 0:28:13.036
<v Speaker 1>Just say yes. You just say yes, thank you, pleasure

0:28:13.036 --> 0:28:15.756
<v Speaker 1>doing business with you. So then of course Edison gets

0:28:15.756 --> 0:28:18.876
<v Speaker 1>the money. Gold actually sells a yacht and gives Edison

0:28:18.916 --> 0:28:22.196
<v Speaker 1>the money from the yacht. Lovely Robert Baron detail, and

0:28:22.236 --> 0:28:25.356
<v Speaker 1>then of course Western Union sues Gould over ownership of

0:28:25.396 --> 0:28:28.876
<v Speaker 1>the quadrupleags. The lawsuit goes on forever. Edison's inventions are

0:28:28.876 --> 0:28:31.196
<v Speaker 1>going to end up tied up in lawsuits again and again, right,

0:28:31.356 --> 0:28:34.156
<v Speaker 1>intellectual property story. But Edison doesn't care this time because

0:28:34.396 --> 0:28:36.516
<v Speaker 1>he's got his money. What does he do with it?

0:28:37.316 --> 0:28:40.716
<v Speaker 1>He does the most important thing he's ever going to

0:28:40.756 --> 0:28:43.236
<v Speaker 1>do in his life. He knew it. He does the

0:28:43.356 --> 0:28:46.036
<v Speaker 1>thing that is going to transform the very nature of

0:28:46.116 --> 0:28:49.996
<v Speaker 1>invention itself itself in the world. And what that thing

0:28:50.156 --> 0:28:54.396
<v Speaker 1>is is he moves to the country. He moves to

0:28:54.436 --> 0:28:57.436
<v Speaker 1>this little failed housing development out in the middle of

0:28:57.436 --> 0:29:02.316
<v Speaker 1>nowhere in New Jersey called Menlo Park, next to the railroad,

0:29:02.436 --> 0:29:06.436
<v Speaker 1>between New Jersey and Philadelphia. So it's early eighteen seventy six.

0:29:06.476 --> 0:29:09.436
<v Speaker 1>By this point, Edison is twenty nine years old. He's

0:29:09.476 --> 0:29:13.836
<v Speaker 1>got two kids who he calls Dot and Dash. Oh yeah,

0:29:13.956 --> 0:29:16.156
<v Speaker 1>very sweet, although it's not like he hangs out with them.

0:29:16.196 --> 0:29:19.276
<v Speaker 1>What he actually loves is the telegraph. His family moves

0:29:19.316 --> 0:29:21.796
<v Speaker 1>into this big house that used to be the sales

0:29:21.836 --> 0:29:24.836
<v Speaker 1>office for this failed housing development in Melo Park, some

0:29:24.916 --> 0:29:27.756
<v Speaker 1>of his workers move into some of the other empty houses,

0:29:28.396 --> 0:29:31.916
<v Speaker 1>and then on top of this little hill not far

0:29:31.956 --> 0:29:34.436
<v Speaker 1>from the train station. I think you can see Manhattan

0:29:34.436 --> 0:29:36.356
<v Speaker 1>from the top of the hill, not sure. On top

0:29:36.396 --> 0:29:39.596
<v Speaker 1>of this little hill, he builds the thing, the main

0:29:39.756 --> 0:29:43.636
<v Speaker 1>thing that is like the manifestation of his big idea.

0:29:44.196 --> 0:29:46.316
<v Speaker 1>It's a lab. It's a lab for him and his

0:29:46.356 --> 0:29:48.596
<v Speaker 1>employees where they're going to work. And he says, in

0:29:48.636 --> 0:29:51.236
<v Speaker 1>this building he is going to come up with quote

0:29:51.876 --> 0:29:55.076
<v Speaker 1>a minor invention every ten days and a big thing

0:29:55.196 --> 0:29:56.316
<v Speaker 1>every six months or so.

0:29:56.516 --> 0:29:59.156
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing because if you would ask most people at

0:29:59.156 --> 0:30:01.556
<v Speaker 2>this time, if you ask most people today, they would say,

0:30:01.596 --> 0:30:03.876
<v Speaker 2>invention is one of those things that you know comes

0:30:03.876 --> 0:30:07.676
<v Speaker 2>from God or the greater spirit, you know, the eureka moment,

0:30:07.836 --> 0:30:10.116
<v Speaker 2>you know, and everyone's he is like, oh, it was

0:30:10.116 --> 0:30:12.876
<v Speaker 2>out walking when it suddenly came to me fully formed,

0:30:13.116 --> 0:30:16.116
<v Speaker 2>Like this is the myth of invention, and maybe it

0:30:16.196 --> 0:30:19.916
<v Speaker 2>happens sometimes this way. But for Thomas Edison to say, yeah,

0:30:19.956 --> 0:30:23.956
<v Speaker 2>we got a schedule here, we got a calendar like invent, invent, invent.

0:30:23.956 --> 0:30:26.196
<v Speaker 1>It's taking away the magic, right, It's taking it from

0:30:26.276 --> 0:30:29.276
<v Speaker 1>this kind of romantic world to the industrial world.

0:30:29.516 --> 0:30:31.836
<v Speaker 2>And you didn't maybe know if it was possible, but

0:30:31.876 --> 0:30:33.036
<v Speaker 2>it ended up being possible.

0:30:33.196 --> 0:30:36.876
<v Speaker 1>So what he builds there is a long, two story

0:30:37.036 --> 0:30:40.916
<v Speaker 1>wood building one hundred feet long twenty five feet wide,

0:30:41.356 --> 0:30:44.436
<v Speaker 1>painted white. People say it looks like a schoolhouse or

0:30:44.476 --> 0:30:47.636
<v Speaker 1>a church without a steeple. And on the ground floor

0:30:47.676 --> 0:30:51.596
<v Speaker 1>there's a machine shop. Upstairs there's a lab. Eventually people

0:30:51.636 --> 0:30:54.916
<v Speaker 1>will call this the invention Factory, which is a perfect

0:30:54.996 --> 0:30:58.476
<v Speaker 1>name for it, but right now nobody calls it anything, right,

0:30:58.476 --> 0:31:01.316
<v Speaker 1>because nobody outside the telegraph industry has even heard of

0:31:01.356 --> 0:31:03.556
<v Speaker 1>Thomas Edison. He's just some guy moving out to the

0:31:03.596 --> 0:31:04.356
<v Speaker 1>middle of nowhere.

0:31:04.636 --> 0:31:08.636
<v Speaker 2>I've seen a replica of this lab in Michigan outside Detroit,

0:31:08.716 --> 0:31:13.516
<v Speaker 2>in Ford's Museum. He so admired Thomas Edison that he

0:31:13.676 --> 0:31:17.556
<v Speaker 2>rebuilt the laboratory down to like the test tubes and

0:31:17.596 --> 0:31:20.396
<v Speaker 2>the little bits of wire on the wall. Apparently so

0:31:20.516 --> 0:31:23.316
<v Speaker 2>my tour guy told me. When Edison saw it, he's like,

0:31:23.356 --> 0:31:26.036
<v Speaker 2>it's an exact replica. I accept it so clean, you know,

0:31:26.156 --> 0:31:29.996
<v Speaker 2>it was like perfectly clean. But there's a million little

0:31:30.316 --> 0:31:35.276
<v Speaker 2>things and screws and connectors and all sorts of fabrics

0:31:35.276 --> 0:31:38.436
<v Speaker 2>and that sort of thing. In case Thomas Edison or

0:31:38.556 --> 0:31:41.436
<v Speaker 2>his people at this point had an idea, they didn't

0:31:41.436 --> 0:31:43.196
<v Speaker 2>have to go to Manhattan to pick up.

0:31:43.156 --> 0:31:46.676
<v Speaker 1>A button or a part or anything. Right, the core

0:31:46.836 --> 0:31:53.556
<v Speaker 1>thing this place does is it makes Edison's inventing process frictionless. Right,

0:31:53.676 --> 0:31:57.116
<v Speaker 1>anytime he thinks of something, he has right there standing

0:31:57.156 --> 0:32:01.276
<v Speaker 1>next to him, you know, skilled machinists and electricians and

0:32:01.356 --> 0:32:04.436
<v Speaker 1>like all the parts and machines and chemicals and whatever

0:32:04.516 --> 0:32:09.076
<v Speaker 1>you can think of. This is the breakthrough. There's this

0:32:09.156 --> 0:32:11.756
<v Speaker 1>great quote about this from this guy, Paul Israel. He

0:32:11.796 --> 0:32:16.076
<v Speaker 1>wrote a biography about Edison. He spent decades editing the

0:32:16.196 --> 0:32:19.636
<v Speaker 1>Edison papers at records. He's like a deep Edison scholar.

0:32:20.516 --> 0:32:22.996
<v Speaker 1>And the quote is that the lab in Menlo Park

0:32:23.196 --> 0:32:28.756
<v Speaker 1>showed that invention itself could be an industrial process. So

0:32:28.796 --> 0:32:31.556
<v Speaker 1>like this is the great era of industrialization in America

0:32:31.676 --> 0:32:34.316
<v Speaker 1>and Edison is industrializing invention.

0:32:35.196 --> 0:32:39.756
<v Speaker 2>He's gone from Thomas Edison Young Morse code operator to

0:32:39.956 --> 0:32:43.836
<v Speaker 2>Thomas Edison inventor, to Thomas Edison Incorporated. He's the guy

0:32:43.876 --> 0:32:47.796
<v Speaker 2>who runs the factory that makes inventions. And in just

0:32:47.836 --> 0:32:51.196
<v Speaker 2>a minute we will hear how the invention factory comes out.

0:32:51.116 --> 0:33:11.276
<v Speaker 4>Of the gate with a big one.

0:33:16.276 --> 0:33:18.636
<v Speaker 2>Jacob, I feel like the pieces are in place. Edison

0:33:18.716 --> 0:33:22.596
<v Speaker 2>has his invention side, his business side, he's got money,

0:33:22.676 --> 0:33:26.716
<v Speaker 2>he's got the industrialization of invention itself, he has the

0:33:26.756 --> 0:33:30.956
<v Speaker 2>manifestation of his own mind on a hilltop in New Jersey.

0:33:31.956 --> 0:33:34.236
<v Speaker 2>And yet no mention of the light bulb or are

0:33:34.236 --> 0:33:37.076
<v Speaker 2>these things that like every elementary school student knows about

0:33:37.116 --> 0:33:37.796
<v Speaker 2>Thomas Edison.

0:33:37.876 --> 0:33:41.236
<v Speaker 1>It's coming, Okay, it's coming, though it comes in an

0:33:41.236 --> 0:33:43.556
<v Speaker 1>indirect way. It comes in a really interesting way. And

0:33:43.596 --> 0:33:46.876
<v Speaker 1>that is this. So right around the time Edison moves

0:33:46.916 --> 0:33:49.876
<v Speaker 1>to Memo Park, there is in fact this historic breakthrough,

0:33:50.356 --> 0:33:53.476
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't come from Edison, doesn't come from his

0:33:53.556 --> 0:33:56.836
<v Speaker 1>lab on the hill. It comes from another inventor who's

0:33:56.876 --> 0:34:00.596
<v Speaker 1>based in Boston, and this invention is granted as patent

0:34:01.196 --> 0:34:05.516
<v Speaker 1>one seven four four sixty five, and it's called improvement

0:34:05.636 --> 0:34:10.276
<v Speaker 1>in telegraphy Yon wait for it. The inventor says, my

0:34:10.356 --> 0:34:13.636
<v Speaker 1>present invention consists of a vibratory or undulatory current of

0:34:13.716 --> 0:34:17.836
<v Speaker 1>electricity in contradistinction to a merely intermittent or postulator current.

0:34:18.236 --> 0:34:21.596
<v Speaker 1>And essentially, this inventor says, this is a breakthrough because

0:34:21.676 --> 0:34:24.316
<v Speaker 1>you can send more telegraph messages down the same wire,

0:34:24.516 --> 0:34:29.716
<v Speaker 1>so it's like quadruplex plus. But then at the very

0:34:29.876 --> 0:34:32.716
<v Speaker 1>end of the application, literally second to last paragraph, the

0:34:32.796 --> 0:34:35.916
<v Speaker 1>inventor writes that the patent covers quote the method of

0:34:36.196 --> 0:34:41.836
<v Speaker 1>and apparatus four transmitting vocal or other sounds telegraphically as

0:34:41.876 --> 0:34:46.116
<v Speaker 1>herein described by causing electrical undulations similar in forms of

0:34:46.156 --> 0:34:49.596
<v Speaker 1>the vibrations of air accompanying the said vocal or other

0:34:49.716 --> 0:34:54.916
<v Speaker 1>sound substantially as set forth. And then last paragraph in testimony,

0:34:54.916 --> 0:34:58.956
<v Speaker 1>whereof I have here unto signed my name this twentieth

0:34:58.996 --> 0:35:01.436
<v Speaker 1>day of January eighty, eighteen seventy six.

0:35:02.716 --> 0:35:07.236
<v Speaker 2>Alex Graham Bell Alexander Graham Bell, I love it. I

0:35:07.276 --> 0:35:09.996
<v Speaker 2>love it when you're in reading the famous biography and

0:35:10.076 --> 0:35:11.556
<v Speaker 2>another famous guy comes in.

0:35:11.916 --> 0:35:14.836
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, came up, Alexander graand Belt Watson come here. I

0:35:14.876 --> 0:35:18.476
<v Speaker 1>want you. Alexander Grambell. He is inventing the telephone right here,

0:35:19.076 --> 0:35:22.036
<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't know it, right, amazing. He just thinks

0:35:22.076 --> 0:35:24.756
<v Speaker 1>he's like coming up with a better way to send telegraphs.

0:35:24.796 --> 0:35:27.516
<v Speaker 2>And does Edison see this in like Telegraph Weekly or

0:35:27.556 --> 0:35:28.476
<v Speaker 2>something like that.

0:35:28.356 --> 0:35:30.876
<v Speaker 1>And so Edison at tracks new patents. That's like one

0:35:30.916 --> 0:35:32.796
<v Speaker 1>of the things he does is he just sees all

0:35:32.796 --> 0:35:35.116
<v Speaker 1>the new patents that come out. He reads them and

0:35:35.156 --> 0:35:39.076
<v Speaker 1>he sees this, and he thinks, I'm gonna tweak it

0:35:39.076 --> 0:35:44.276
<v Speaker 1>so I can send even better telegraph messages. And you know,

0:35:44.356 --> 0:35:46.676
<v Speaker 1>he's all set up to do this, right, He's got

0:35:46.716 --> 0:35:49.516
<v Speaker 1>his muckers, he's got his lab, he's staying up all night.

0:35:50.236 --> 0:35:54.156
<v Speaker 1>And there's this one piece of this new thing that

0:35:54.516 --> 0:35:58.916
<v Speaker 1>Alexander Grambell has invented called the diaphragm. It's the thing

0:35:58.996 --> 0:36:02.436
<v Speaker 1>that turns sound into vibrations, right, So it vibrates when

0:36:02.596 --> 0:36:04.436
<v Speaker 1>sound waves hit that's a thin membrane.

0:36:04.436 --> 0:36:07.556
<v Speaker 2>It vibrates and it creates an electrical current that is

0:36:07.556 --> 0:36:10.556
<v Speaker 2>not dots or dashes, but is variable electric current.

0:36:10.636 --> 0:36:12.916
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and going the other way, it turns the electric

0:36:12.956 --> 0:36:17.076
<v Speaker 1>current into vibrations that you can hear. And so one

0:36:17.156 --> 0:36:19.236
<v Speaker 1>day Edison is playing with one of these and just

0:36:19.316 --> 0:36:22.876
<v Speaker 1>like talking into it, and he feels that it's vibrating

0:36:23.156 --> 0:36:24.556
<v Speaker 1>on his hand. As he talks to it, he can

0:36:24.556 --> 0:36:27.636
<v Speaker 1>feel the vibrations. It's the middle of the night. He's

0:36:27.676 --> 0:36:31.116
<v Speaker 1>having dinner with his boys, with his muckers, probably eating

0:36:31.116 --> 0:36:35.476
<v Speaker 1>apple pie. And as he feels this thing vibrating on

0:36:35.556 --> 0:36:39.996
<v Speaker 1>his hand, he turns to his chief engineer, this assistant

0:36:40.076 --> 0:36:43.436
<v Speaker 1>named Charles Bachelor guy, he calls Batch, and he says,

0:36:43.436 --> 0:36:46.196
<v Speaker 1>you know, Batch, if we took one of these diaphragms

0:36:46.236 --> 0:36:48.876
<v Speaker 1>and we put something pointy, put like a needle or

0:36:48.916 --> 0:36:52.036
<v Speaker 1>something on the bottom of it, and put it on

0:36:52.076 --> 0:36:54.636
<v Speaker 1>a piece of paper and talked into it, it would

0:36:54.716 --> 0:36:57.916
<v Speaker 1>scratch the paper. It would leave scratch marks on the paper.

0:36:58.756 --> 0:37:01.836
<v Speaker 1>And then maybe if we took that paper with the

0:37:01.876 --> 0:37:05.956
<v Speaker 1>scratch marks and pulled it back under the needle, would

0:37:05.956 --> 0:37:09.116
<v Speaker 1>it make the diaphragm vibrate and send sound back out?

0:37:09.156 --> 0:37:10.676
<v Speaker 1>Would it recreate the sound?

0:37:10.796 --> 0:37:13.116
<v Speaker 2>And because they have a factory with needles and paper

0:37:13.196 --> 0:37:15.996
<v Speaker 2>and diaphragms and all this stuff, they don't need to

0:37:15.996 --> 0:37:17.796
<v Speaker 2>wait long to know the answer to this question.

0:37:17.796 --> 0:37:19.476
<v Speaker 1>They don't need to wait at all. Right, all the

0:37:19.556 --> 0:37:21.396
<v Speaker 1>dudes in the middle of the night, in the middle

0:37:21.436 --> 0:37:24.236
<v Speaker 1>of nowhere in New Jersey are sitting there ready to go,

0:37:24.356 --> 0:37:27.076
<v Speaker 1>and so they just do it, right, this whole team

0:37:27.156 --> 0:37:29.876
<v Speaker 1>of people. There's a machinist who's sitting there, who walks

0:37:29.916 --> 0:37:33.316
<v Speaker 1>over to his whatever machine and like, solder is a

0:37:33.356 --> 0:37:35.436
<v Speaker 1>needle onto the bottom of a diaphragm, or however you

0:37:35.436 --> 0:37:37.436
<v Speaker 1>get a needle onto the bottom of a diaphragm, and

0:37:37.516 --> 0:37:40.636
<v Speaker 1>Bach Bachelor gets some wax paper and cuts it up,

0:37:40.636 --> 0:37:42.676
<v Speaker 1>and they build a little wheel, a little system just

0:37:42.876 --> 0:37:46.436
<v Speaker 1>right then, right that night, and you know, presumably this

0:37:46.596 --> 0:37:50.276
<v Speaker 1>is every night, right, presumably it's always like Edison's like,

0:37:50.316 --> 0:37:52.196
<v Speaker 1>how about this? How about that? And most of them

0:37:52.236 --> 0:37:55.316
<v Speaker 1>are not very good ideas, but this one, this one

0:37:55.356 --> 0:37:56.956
<v Speaker 1>is a good idea. Right. So they hook up the

0:37:56.996 --> 0:37:59.636
<v Speaker 1>diaphragm with the needle, so it's touching the wax paper,

0:38:00.116 --> 0:38:03.076
<v Speaker 1>and there's this wheel that the paper's on, and so

0:38:03.516 --> 0:38:08.076
<v Speaker 1>Bachelor slowly pulls the paper along the wheel under the needle,

0:38:08.476 --> 0:38:14.676
<v Speaker 1>and Edison says, into the diaphragm, Mary had a little lamb,

0:38:16.076 --> 0:38:18.516
<v Speaker 1>And they take the paper out and they look at

0:38:18.556 --> 0:38:21.916
<v Speaker 1>it and it has these little scratch marks on it, grooves,

0:38:21.956 --> 0:38:25.196
<v Speaker 1>if you will. And then bachelor puts the paper back

0:38:25.236 --> 0:38:27.756
<v Speaker 1>on the wheel with the little scratches, you know, pulls

0:38:27.796 --> 0:38:31.596
<v Speaker 1>the paper under the needle past the diaphragm, and as

0:38:31.636 --> 0:38:39.996
<v Speaker 1>it's going past the diaphragm, they hear like, er uh damn, eureka.

0:38:40.236 --> 0:38:43.476
<v Speaker 1>This is a real eureka. Yeah, this is a real eureka. Right,

0:38:43.556 --> 0:38:46.236
<v Speaker 1>Like it's not perfect, right, it doesn't quite work, but

0:38:46.396 --> 0:38:51.556
<v Speaker 1>it works. It works. Edison writes in his notebook that day. Basically,

0:38:52.676 --> 0:38:54.676
<v Speaker 1>this is an invention that will make it easier for

0:38:54.676 --> 0:38:57.116
<v Speaker 1>people at the telegraph office to transcribe messages.

0:38:57.076 --> 0:39:01.236
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, oh no, he's still thinking telegraph. His mind's

0:39:01.236 --> 0:39:03.796
<v Speaker 2>in the telegraph. He's thinking, oh, yeah, someone in a

0:39:03.836 --> 0:39:05.956
<v Speaker 2>telegraph office has to use a pencil and paper to

0:39:05.956 --> 0:39:10.916
<v Speaker 2>write things down. We could use this new transcription device

0:39:11.076 --> 0:39:12.356
<v Speaker 2>essentially for dots and dashes.

0:39:12.476 --> 0:39:15.356
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, huh. He is still he is still in

0:39:15.516 --> 0:39:18.036
<v Speaker 1>the world that he's living in, right, Surprisingly, he is

0:39:18.036 --> 0:39:20.796
<v Speaker 1>still in his world. But he gets he gets that

0:39:20.876 --> 0:39:24.036
<v Speaker 1>this thing is gonna be big, not to the exclusion

0:39:24.076 --> 0:39:26.396
<v Speaker 1>of everything else. He keeps puttering on other things, but

0:39:26.516 --> 0:39:28.916
<v Speaker 1>he does have somebody over the next few months make

0:39:28.956 --> 0:39:31.876
<v Speaker 1>a list of possible names for his new invention. I

0:39:31.916 --> 0:39:33.436
<v Speaker 1>know you love a list. You want to take this one,

0:39:33.596 --> 0:39:33.956
<v Speaker 1>all right?

0:39:34.676 --> 0:39:39.156
<v Speaker 2>Possible names for this new invention. Autophone, cosmophone, I do

0:39:39.276 --> 0:39:46.476
<v Speaker 2>like that one. Acoustaphone, nice and tipophone, liquophone, chronophone, glottophone,

0:39:46.916 --> 0:39:51.676
<v Speaker 2>that's nice, clangophone, who laghamophone, aerophone. I feel like they

0:39:51.676 --> 0:39:54.596
<v Speaker 2>have a Latin dictionary there in the Park laboratory.

0:39:54.636 --> 0:39:59.516
<v Speaker 1>There's like going through it. Epigraph They don't choose any

0:39:59.556 --> 0:40:02.916
<v Speaker 1>of those. Nope, as we know, they choose phonograph, which

0:40:02.916 --> 0:40:06.956
<v Speaker 1>I think is Edison's and means something like sound writer.

0:40:07.156 --> 0:40:10.356
<v Speaker 1>Right the graph the graph is right there in the name,

0:40:10.676 --> 0:40:13.476
<v Speaker 1>which is telling they're really still focused on this kind

0:40:13.516 --> 0:40:17.476
<v Speaker 1>of automatic transcription part. They're not thinking music.

0:40:17.596 --> 0:40:20.396
<v Speaker 2>They're not thinking orchestras that someone's going to buy this

0:40:20.516 --> 0:40:21.716
<v Speaker 2>at home. No.

0:40:21.916 --> 0:40:24.516
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if anything, they're thinking like when they think

0:40:24.556 --> 0:40:26.996
<v Speaker 1>beyond telegraph, they think of like, oh, this is like

0:40:27.036 --> 0:40:31.276
<v Speaker 1>a something that business people can dictate letters into. It's

0:40:31.396 --> 0:40:34.556
<v Speaker 1>very much like a recording device as opposed to a

0:40:34.636 --> 0:40:37.436
<v Speaker 1>playing device at some level. So they're working on it

0:40:37.836 --> 0:40:40.476
<v Speaker 1>they're you know, iterating, they're making it a little better.

0:40:40.676 --> 0:40:44.596
<v Speaker 1>And a few months later, in December, they decide they're

0:40:44.636 --> 0:40:47.556
<v Speaker 1>ready to go public with this idea, and it comes

0:40:47.556 --> 0:40:50.356
<v Speaker 1>out in Scientific American, which was a big, big deal

0:40:50.356 --> 0:40:51.916
<v Speaker 1>at the time in that sort of technology.

0:40:52.156 --> 0:40:55.676
<v Speaker 2>Sure, and the story is called the Talking Phonograph, and

0:40:55.716 --> 0:40:58.076
<v Speaker 2>I'll read a little bit of it. Mister Thomas A.

0:40:58.196 --> 0:41:00.996
<v Speaker 2>Edison recently came into this office, placed a little machine

0:41:01.036 --> 0:41:04.036
<v Speaker 2>on our desk and turned to crank, and the machine

0:41:04.116 --> 0:41:08.836
<v Speaker 2>inquired as to our health, asked how we liked the phonograph,

0:41:09.236 --> 0:41:11.236
<v Speaker 2>informed us that he was very well, and but us

0:41:11.276 --> 0:41:12.356
<v Speaker 2>a cordial good night.

0:41:12.996 --> 0:41:19.156
<v Speaker 1>People now went bananas. People could not believe that this

0:41:19.356 --> 0:41:20.276
<v Speaker 1>was a thing.

0:41:20.436 --> 0:41:23.196
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to imagine how big it is that a

0:41:23.316 --> 0:41:25.876
<v Speaker 2>mechanical machine is doing.

0:41:27.556 --> 0:41:30.716
<v Speaker 1>What a human does. Yeah, that it talks to use

0:41:30.796 --> 0:41:33.676
<v Speaker 1>to you like a person. In fact, a professor who

0:41:33.716 --> 0:41:36.716
<v Speaker 1>reads this article writes to Edison and basically says, like,

0:41:36.796 --> 0:41:39.876
<v Speaker 1>mister Edison, I'm sure you're an honorable man. You need

0:41:39.916 --> 0:41:42.196
<v Speaker 1>to correct this article because it makes it sound like

0:41:42.236 --> 0:41:44.956
<v Speaker 1>you have a machine that can record sound and play

0:41:44.956 --> 0:41:46.876
<v Speaker 1>it back, and surely, as we all know, that is

0:41:46.916 --> 0:41:47.516
<v Speaker 1>not possible.

0:41:47.516 --> 0:41:49.356
<v Speaker 2>It's the kind of thing you'd see at a carnival

0:41:49.476 --> 0:41:52.076
<v Speaker 2>in the day, right, the box that streaks, and it's

0:41:52.076 --> 0:41:55.596
<v Speaker 2>a small child or something inside the box put you know,

0:41:56.156 --> 0:41:57.156
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of hocum.

0:41:57.436 --> 0:42:00.156
<v Speaker 1>But you know it was magic. I mean it was magic.

0:42:00.156 --> 0:42:02.316
<v Speaker 1>It was magic. It was magic. He takes it down

0:42:02.396 --> 0:42:06.036
<v Speaker 1>to Washington, d C. At this big like scientific meeting,

0:42:06.396 --> 0:42:07.836
<v Speaker 1>and so many people want to hear it that they

0:42:07.876 --> 0:42:10.116
<v Speaker 1>actually have to take the door off the hinges of

0:42:10.156 --> 0:42:13.436
<v Speaker 1>the room where he's displaying it. While he's down there

0:42:14.156 --> 0:42:16.996
<v Speaker 1>the White House, he hears that the president wants to

0:42:17.396 --> 0:42:20.076
<v Speaker 1>see his new machine. Pop quiz Robert who is the

0:42:20.116 --> 0:42:27.476
<v Speaker 1>president in eighteen seventy seven seventy eight Garfield Rutherford behays, oh, class,

0:42:27.476 --> 0:42:29.196
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have got it, Classic Lake, you're on.

0:42:30.076 --> 0:42:31.796
<v Speaker 2>Rutherford behays the things you don't know?

0:42:31.876 --> 0:42:35.276
<v Speaker 1>Things I didn't know. And Rutherford behayes loves the phonograph.

0:42:35.316 --> 0:42:37.956
<v Speaker 1>He keeps Edison at the White House like till after

0:42:38.036 --> 0:42:41.716
<v Speaker 1>midnight playing with this incredible thing. And this is the

0:42:41.716 --> 0:42:47.036
<v Speaker 1>moment when Edison goes from being you know, inventor known

0:42:47.076 --> 0:42:51.476
<v Speaker 1>in the telegraph business to being a celebrity. This is

0:42:51.516 --> 0:42:53.676
<v Speaker 1>the moment when he becomes known as the Wizard of

0:42:53.756 --> 0:42:54.436
<v Speaker 1>Memo Park.

0:42:54.996 --> 0:42:57.876
<v Speaker 2>Because this is a leap in technology. It's not just

0:42:58.116 --> 0:43:01.316
<v Speaker 2>a little extra something to make telegraph operators more money.

0:43:01.396 --> 0:43:04.676
<v Speaker 2>This wasn't just the front page of Telegraph weekly. This

0:43:04.756 --> 0:43:06.476
<v Speaker 2>is the front page of the New York World.

0:43:06.756 --> 0:43:11.116
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, I think there's something something about

0:43:11.116 --> 0:43:14.356
<v Speaker 1>the human voice is important here. Like you know, obviously

0:43:14.436 --> 0:43:16.916
<v Speaker 1>there had been portraits and people had had their writings,

0:43:17.316 --> 0:43:19.916
<v Speaker 1>but the voice is connected to the breath, right, It

0:43:19.996 --> 0:43:23.876
<v Speaker 1>is ephemeral, It dies with you. And like immediately when

0:43:23.916 --> 0:43:26.796
<v Speaker 1>this comes out, people are thinking about like, oh, this

0:43:26.876 --> 0:43:29.796
<v Speaker 1>machine is going to let people talk to us after

0:43:29.876 --> 0:43:33.116
<v Speaker 1>they die, as if they're talking to us from beyond

0:43:33.196 --> 0:43:35.636
<v Speaker 1>the grave. This is it's almost supernatural.

0:43:36.316 --> 0:43:39.156
<v Speaker 2>So how does he take something that is magic and

0:43:39.276 --> 0:43:40.116
<v Speaker 2>make money off of it?

0:43:40.276 --> 0:43:43.036
<v Speaker 1>This is a great question. So he is not yet

0:43:43.076 --> 0:43:47.556
<v Speaker 1>to the point where they can manufacture these at any

0:43:47.636 --> 0:43:49.476
<v Speaker 1>kind of scale and sell them for a profit. That's

0:43:49.476 --> 0:43:51.756
<v Speaker 1>the obvious thing you would do. Yeah, but the sort

0:43:51.756 --> 0:43:56.556
<v Speaker 1>of minimum viable product version of it. They just got

0:43:56.556 --> 0:44:00.236
<v Speaker 1>a couple of phonographs. They rent out rooms, sell tickets

0:44:00.636 --> 0:44:04.236
<v Speaker 1>and people pay to come and hear somebody like record

0:44:04.316 --> 0:44:06.316
<v Speaker 1>themselves singing and then play it back.

0:44:06.836 --> 0:44:09.556
<v Speaker 2>I would totally pay that nickel you would pay it today?

0:44:09.836 --> 0:44:16.036
<v Speaker 1>I would probably we probably did so. Obviously, this is

0:44:16.116 --> 0:44:18.396
<v Speaker 1>just kind of a stalling maneuver, right, This is just

0:44:18.436 --> 0:44:21.036
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing until the business gets up and running

0:44:21.076 --> 0:44:24.196
<v Speaker 1>and there are investors in the Edison Speaking Phonograph Company

0:44:24.236 --> 0:44:28.196
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, Okay, Edison, let's let's get to scale here,

0:44:28.276 --> 0:44:32.396
<v Speaker 1>let's figure out how to manufacture this. And it turns

0:44:32.396 --> 0:44:36.476
<v Speaker 1>out this is not Edison's thing. Edison's thing is not

0:44:37.076 --> 0:44:41.236
<v Speaker 1>taking his genius invention and operationalizing and building the factory

0:44:41.276 --> 0:44:44.516
<v Speaker 1>to build it. You know, he has his invention factory.

0:44:44.956 --> 0:44:48.476
<v Speaker 1>He starts working on the telescope of phone, his big

0:44:48.516 --> 0:44:50.916
<v Speaker 1>idea for how people I'm like, whatever, hilltops a mile

0:44:50.956 --> 0:44:51.916
<v Speaker 1>apart can talk.

0:44:51.756 --> 0:44:52.276
<v Speaker 3>To each other.

0:44:52.356 --> 0:44:53.316
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing. Right.

0:44:53.396 --> 0:44:55.076
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't want to be in the business of like

0:44:55.156 --> 0:44:59.876
<v Speaker 2>hiring orchestras and pressing like music and distributing this through

0:45:00.156 --> 0:45:02.756
<v Speaker 2>music stores. I mean, that's just like being a businessman

0:45:03.356 --> 0:45:05.076
<v Speaker 2>that's not coming up with cool stuff.

0:45:05.076 --> 0:45:07.636
<v Speaker 1>All. Yeah, that's not his thing, but it does mean

0:45:07.676 --> 0:45:10.436
<v Speaker 1>he leaves the phonograph by the way side for years

0:45:10.796 --> 0:45:16.196
<v Speaker 1>and several years later, Alexander Graham Bell him again actually

0:45:16.236 --> 0:45:19.676
<v Speaker 1>improves on Edison's idea for the phonograph, brings it to market,

0:45:20.196 --> 0:45:23.516
<v Speaker 1>and this is the wax cylinder. Yeah. He eventually Alexander

0:45:23.556 --> 0:45:25.076
<v Speaker 1>Grahm Bell is eventually the one who comes up with

0:45:25.076 --> 0:45:28.756
<v Speaker 1>the wax cylinder. Yes, and that does inspire Edison many

0:45:28.796 --> 0:45:32.116
<v Speaker 1>years later to sort of follow right to chase Alexander

0:45:32.116 --> 0:45:35.516
<v Speaker 1>Graham Bell. And Edison does wind up in the phonograph business,

0:45:36.036 --> 0:45:39.836
<v Speaker 1>but he's always behind, ironically, given that he invented it.

0:45:39.956 --> 0:45:42.476
<v Speaker 1>Like his other inventions, he's much less clearly the inventor

0:45:42.516 --> 0:45:45.756
<v Speaker 1>the ones they're coming, but this one is him unambiguously

0:45:45.876 --> 0:45:50.956
<v Speaker 1>and yet and yet he never dominates the industry as

0:45:51.116 --> 0:45:54.956
<v Speaker 1>arguably he should have. And then finally, in nineteen twenty nine,

0:45:55.236 --> 0:45:57.436
<v Speaker 1>two years before he dies, he just gets out of

0:45:57.436 --> 0:46:00.636
<v Speaker 1>the phonograph business altogether, gives up. He's got bigger things.

0:46:01.276 --> 0:46:03.236
<v Speaker 1>So what do we make of this story? Jacob?

0:46:03.396 --> 0:46:07.156
<v Speaker 2>At the very beginning, we promised that Edison wasn't just

0:46:07.196 --> 0:46:09.636
<v Speaker 2>an inventor, He's an entrepreneur's business man.

0:46:09.916 --> 0:46:11.476
<v Speaker 1>And yet, so far.

0:46:11.676 --> 0:46:14.236
<v Speaker 2>I have been in front of our actual episode. But

0:46:14.476 --> 0:46:19.156
<v Speaker 2>so far he doesn't seem to be squeezing every last time.

0:46:19.236 --> 0:46:21.996
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't seem to have that ruthless businessman in him.

0:46:22.596 --> 0:46:25.476
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, that's true. You definitely would not call him

0:46:25.476 --> 0:46:29.956
<v Speaker 1>a profit maximizer, right. He sort of reminds me of

0:46:29.956 --> 0:46:32.316
<v Speaker 1>of this type of founder you see with startups now,

0:46:32.316 --> 0:46:36.196
<v Speaker 1>where they're like brilliant and driven and they create this

0:46:36.636 --> 0:46:39.516
<v Speaker 1>very innovative company and get it going and then like

0:46:40.276 --> 0:46:42.556
<v Speaker 1>a year or two in, somebody from the you know,

0:46:43.236 --> 0:46:45.236
<v Speaker 1>venture capital firm, takes him into a back room and

0:46:45.316 --> 0:46:48.796
<v Speaker 1>gray hairs. Yeah, the gray hair comes in. Listen, we

0:46:48.956 --> 0:46:51.436
<v Speaker 1>love you. You've got a great job getting this company

0:46:51.476 --> 0:46:53.276
<v Speaker 1>off the ground. But now it's time to bring in

0:46:53.876 --> 0:46:55.916
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna call it a grown up, but let's

0:46:55.916 --> 0:46:58.876
<v Speaker 1>bring in somebody who's more into operations. Right. Edison is

0:46:58.916 --> 0:47:00.236
<v Speaker 1>kind of like that founder.

0:47:00.396 --> 0:47:03.116
<v Speaker 2>He could have been the greatest telegraph operator in the world.

0:47:03.156 --> 0:47:06.996
<v Speaker 2>He could have been the greatest telegraph maximizer in the world.

0:47:07.036 --> 0:47:10.876
<v Speaker 2>He could have been the phonograph nant and run orchestras

0:47:10.876 --> 0:47:12.996
<v Speaker 2>around the country and recorded them and sold them all

0:47:13.236 --> 0:47:15.796
<v Speaker 2>the first David Geffen And maybe he knows himself well

0:47:15.876 --> 0:47:19.836
<v Speaker 2>enough to know that he has a lot of different interests, right,

0:47:19.876 --> 0:47:23.156
<v Speaker 2>He's almost like, I wouldn't say scatterbrain because that seems

0:47:23.156 --> 0:47:26.956
<v Speaker 2>like an insult. It's like things are just coming constantly

0:47:27.036 --> 0:47:29.156
<v Speaker 2>into his head. You know, at one moment, he's showing

0:47:29.196 --> 0:47:31.556
<v Speaker 2>a phonograph to the President of the United States, But

0:47:31.676 --> 0:47:33.956
<v Speaker 2>as he's showing the photograph, he's probably thinking, you know

0:47:33.996 --> 0:47:37.476
<v Speaker 2>what if you had a giant tube on top of

0:47:37.516 --> 0:47:41.276
<v Speaker 2>a mountain that you could yell at other mountains with

0:47:41.356 --> 0:47:42.676
<v Speaker 2>other twoes.

0:47:42.196 --> 0:47:44.516
<v Speaker 1>And Retherford behazes's like, what what are you talking about?

0:47:44.516 --> 0:47:48.116
<v Speaker 2>I just want you've already done the thing, right, But

0:47:48.196 --> 0:47:50.596
<v Speaker 2>that was an actual thing he wanted to do right.

0:47:51.116 --> 0:47:54.076
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if he had been this sort of more narrow

0:47:54.116 --> 0:47:59.156
<v Speaker 1>minded prophet maximizer, he probably would have got stuck at

0:47:59.156 --> 0:48:01.796
<v Speaker 1>like a sort of local maximum right, Like, maybe he

0:48:01.796 --> 0:48:04.116
<v Speaker 1>would have stopped at the photograph and be like, I'm famous,

0:48:04.196 --> 0:48:07.996
<v Speaker 1>I'm the phonograph guy. I'm gonna be the phonograph king now.

0:48:08.116 --> 0:48:11.916
<v Speaker 1>But this is clearly not what Edison had set out

0:48:11.956 --> 0:48:14.356
<v Speaker 1>to do, right. He had set out to create an

0:48:14.356 --> 0:48:18.276
<v Speaker 1>invention factory, a place where he can chase his curiosity,

0:48:18.516 --> 0:48:20.516
<v Speaker 1>a place where he has all the equipment he needs,

0:48:20.516 --> 0:48:22.996
<v Speaker 1>and he has this team and a place crucially where

0:48:23.036 --> 0:48:26.596
<v Speaker 1>he can keep coming up with big ideas one after another,

0:48:26.676 --> 0:48:28.036
<v Speaker 1>and he is gonna succeed at that.

0:48:28.156 --> 0:48:30.956
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, inventing the photograph from most people would have been

0:48:31.116 --> 0:48:38.396
<v Speaker 2>the big thing, but one great product is fine. But

0:48:38.596 --> 0:48:42.996
<v Speaker 2>transforming a whole system, right, transformative technology, the kind of

0:48:43.076 --> 0:48:50.196
<v Speaker 2>technology that makes everything change. That's what's about to come.

0:48:50.396 --> 0:48:54.996
<v Speaker 2>We should thank Thomas Edison for his scatterbrain nature. Yeah,

0:48:54.996 --> 0:48:57.916
<v Speaker 2>and for his ambition, right. His ambition was not to

0:48:57.956 --> 0:49:00.596
<v Speaker 2>be the phonograph king. It was to invent greater and

0:49:00.596 --> 0:49:03.676
<v Speaker 2>greater things. And really, interestingly, like his whole life, he

0:49:03.756 --> 0:49:07.396
<v Speaker 2>keeps thinking, the next thing I invent is gonna be

0:49:07.596 --> 0:49:10.276
<v Speaker 2>even bigger. He keeps saying that, even to the point

0:49:10.356 --> 0:49:13.836
<v Speaker 2>where he's wrong, right, because that's just who he is.

0:49:13.916 --> 0:49:17.876
<v Speaker 1>He keeps trying to invent bigger and better things.

0:49:18.356 --> 0:49:22.196
<v Speaker 2>Next time on Business History, Thomas Alva Edison, age thirty

0:49:22.316 --> 0:49:24.756
<v Speaker 2>or so, he's still so young, gets bored with the

0:49:24.796 --> 0:49:28.756
<v Speaker 2>phonograph and builds the first big electric grid in the

0:49:28.796 --> 0:49:32.476
<v Speaker 2>history of the world and reveals that the great inventor

0:49:32.876 --> 0:49:36.236
<v Speaker 2>has a fatal flaw. He falls to in love with

0:49:36.356 --> 0:49:40.396
<v Speaker 2>his products. Our showrunner is Ryan Dilly, Our producer is

0:49:40.436 --> 0:49:41.716
<v Speaker 2>Gabriel Hunter Chang.

0:49:41.636 --> 0:49:44.956
<v Speaker 1>And our engineer is Sarah Bruguer. I'm Jacob Goldstein.

0:49:44.996 --> 0:49:46.956
<v Speaker 2>I'm Robert Smith. We'll be back next week with another

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<v Speaker 2>episode of Business History, a show about the history of business.