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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do a lot of interesting things that are

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Speaker 2: happening in the world. So what the hell is going

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Speaker 2: on in New Jersey? It's an evergreen question, really, But

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Speaker 2: this morning we'll be exploring specifically with regards to these

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Speaker 2: drones that people are reporting. Reporters have seen them. The

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Speaker 2: evaluate some of the various theories that are out there.

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Speaker 2: We also have some updates on Luigimanngioni and Cardibal Fox

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Speaker 2: News segment where they're literally calling for Bernie Sanders and

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Speaker 2: is another question we will explore yet again. I think

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Speaker 2: News settling with Trump giving his presidential library fifteen million

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Speaker 1: New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: As we brought you all the news on Thursday, the

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Speaker 3: of the show, Rich McHugh's report from News Nation. Rich,

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Speaker 3: with Ronan Farrow. He was one of the reporters who

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Speaker 3: NBC News. He is a absolute straight down the line

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: I gotta be honest here. You know, when this story

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Speaker 5: much credence. I thought it would turn out to be

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Speaker 5: by now. The experience I had last night, however, changed

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Speaker 5: the way I feel about this story completely. What I

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Speaker 4: Take a look.

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Speaker 5: One, two, three, four, at least five lights, six lights.

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Speaker 5: I didn't believe what I was seeing. But what was

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Speaker 5: my shoulder right there, One after another after another. These

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Speaker 5: feet wide, colorful white blinking lights.

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Speaker 1: That is not a plane.

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Speaker 5: Definitely not an airplane. But what was it? Hours earlier,

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Speaker 5: I was invited to join the Ocean County Sheriff Department.

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Speaker 5: They launched their own drones to see if they could

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Speaker 5: in recent weeks. The department says these mystery drones evade

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Speaker 5: Why do you think that is? We don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: It's not something that we've experienced.

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Speaker 5: Something they hadn't experienced until now. One of their officers

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Speaker 6: After we made contact with that officer that there were

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Speaker 6: Yes, we contacted State Lease, We contacted the FPI, We

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Speaker 3: So there you go all the hallmarks you might say,

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Speaker 3: one that happens what near a United States military installation.

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Speaker 3: On Thursday Chrystal, we confirmed via a statement from the

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Speaker 3: a confirmed siding over that And yet despite all of

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Speaker 3: this we are told by our government absolutely nothing to

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Speaker 3: Here's one from Flanders, New Jersey, December third, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: One of this is one of the early sidings. You

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Speaker 3: can see lights there in the sky. All the images

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Speaker 1: This one is particularly interesting.

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Speaker 3: You can see that glowing or I will note for

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Speaker 3: some of those who see the glowing kind of circular nature,

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Speaker 3: But the lights themselves and the number of drones, lights

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Speaker 3: if anybody has I live near an airports, I do

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Speaker 3: They can't explain this one away, and yet they are

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Speaker 3: doing everything they're damnedest. While the locals are freaking out,

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Speaker 3: the FEDS are the ones who are telling us absolutely

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Speaker 3: nothing to see here at all, Crystal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, their instinct is always, in every circumstance, extreme secrecy.

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Speaker 2: But they want to say like, oh, it's nothing to

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Speaker 2: can't tell us what it is, yeah, how can you

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Speaker 2: assure us that it's nothing to worry about? If John

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Speaker 2: Kirby at the podium, this man is very schooled in

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Speaker 2: he is getting asked about these I don't know why

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Speaker 2: exactly we're calling the drones.

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Speaker 4: I guess because of their size, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well because of their movement patterns too, in the

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Speaker 3: way that they're flying. You're right, I mean calling it

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Speaker 3: a drone or whatever is kind of it kind of

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Speaker 3: assumed they were drones in the beginning. You're right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: UFO is the is literally the correct terminology.

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Speaker 2: But in any case, let's take a listen to John

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Speaker 2: Kirby trying to reassure us but also trying to give

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Speaker 7: If the President, as commander in chief, believed, based on

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Speaker 7: national security threat at play here, or even a public

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Speaker 7: military if that was needed. I want to go back

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Speaker 7: to something I said at the top. There has been

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Speaker 7: no evidence of any of this activity in or near

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Speaker 3: So you can see that's clearly wrote that. Definitely wrote

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Speaker 1: That's just one right?

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Speaker 3: Who's in charge of this situation? So look, that's really

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Speaker 3: You cannot, as rich laid out there, as the state

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Speaker 1: Me what's in Virginia exactly? Thank you.

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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, it doesn't take a genius to

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Speaker 2: So it seems like, and you can tell me if

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Speaker 2: There are some of that going on, certainly, as people

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Speaker 4: That I jumped.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's a fun thing, but it's more about for

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Speaker 2: Well, but do you what about the one they're searching

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Speaker 3: Theoretically possible for that to happen, you and have to

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Speaker 4: Think all the explanations seem under right, right exactly.

442
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Speaker 3: That's my point for how to open the mind. So

443
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Speaker 3: then number three is this whole dirty bomb theory. I

444
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,919
Speaker 3: mean again, you know, if we have to think about

445
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Speaker 3: what that looks like. By the way, all of the

446
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Speaker 3: dirty bomb plans and all this and I went and

447
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 3: look it's all published by NYPD and others because this

448
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,959
Speaker 3: is a theoretical possibility that major populated centers have been

449
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Speaker 3: having to deal with since two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: This does not fit with any of the.

451
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Speaker 3: Established search patterns or whatever of what they would normally do. Now,

452
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Speaker 3: I guess theoretically they wouldn't tell us, but I mean,

453
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Speaker 3: at this point we've had almost twenty years to contend

454
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Speaker 3: with what that would look like for what you know,

455
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Speaker 3: even radiation, et cetera. Also, if there really was a

456
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Speaker 3: true threat like that, they would just evacuate the area

457
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Speaker 3: or they would issue some sort of a guidance to

458
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Speaker 3: the public. Well, there's risk ends of millions of people's.

459
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Speaker 2: Lives, and we've seen in the I mean we've seen

460
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Speaker 2: in the past both here with nuclear fallout and also

461
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Speaker 2: in you know, Soviet USSR. There's such a desire to

462
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Speaker 2: keep a lid on any situation and deal with it

463
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Speaker 2: before the public knows anything.

464
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Speaker 4: That to me, it's not crazy.

465
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Speaker 2: That if they're the US government is concerned about some

466
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Speaker 2: significantly like dangerous situation, rather than sparking a mass panic,

467
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Speaker 2: they want to try to like keep the lid on it.

468
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I think they're willing to risk people's lives

469
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Speaker 2: at times, So it's not again all to me. All

470
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Speaker 2: of the possibilities are far fetched and unbelievable, but like,

471
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Speaker 2: that's what we have to work with. All a range

472
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Speaker 2: of possibilities that are all relatively far fetched. So I'm

473
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Speaker 2: trying to grasp onto the one that is the least

474
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Speaker 2: far fetched.

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Speaker 3: Let me also say, what was it the foreign government one?

476
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Speaker 3: So well, okay, this is easy. That's actually the easiest

477
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Speaker 3: one to be able to rule out, not based on

478
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Speaker 3: having the technology.

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Speaker 1: It's theoretically possible.

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Speaker 3: China and Russia would have more advanced drone technology than US,

481
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Speaker 3: but drones have to fly from somewhere. No, they can't

482
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Speaker 3: just fly from the Russian mainland or the Chinese mainland,

483
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Speaker 3: which means they would have to come.

484
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Speaker 1: Off of a ship.

485
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Speaker 3: Commercial satellite technology is widely available to literally all of

486
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Speaker 3: US news organizations and others can buy it straight from

487
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Speaker 3: any of these companies. I could go out and buy

488
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Speaker 3: it if I and it was like, hey, give me

489
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Speaker 3: a shot.

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Speaker 1: Of the Atlantic Ocean or whatever. It'd be easily found.

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Speaker 3: So in all of these categories, you know, there's just

492
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Speaker 3: none of them stand up any weight. I guess the

493
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Speaker 3: only again, I think there's only two. I think it's

494
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Speaker 3: extraterrestrial or it's the United States government secret program. The

495
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Speaker 3: secret gut program just doesn't fit to me because of

496
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Speaker 3: all the things I just laid out about so called testing,

497
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Speaker 3: et cetera, or their quote unquote searching for something, you know,

498
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Speaker 3: trying to not exert to uh, you know, have mass panic. Again,

499
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Speaker 3: it's possible, but at this point in time, like, what

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Speaker 3: could we really even be talking about, you know, in

501
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Speaker 3: terms of what you know? The dirty PALMD thing is

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Speaker 3: the one I've seen circulating a lot BI there's no

503
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Speaker 3: evidence for that. It was just a random person on

504
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Speaker 3: Twitter who put it out there. I mean, I get

505
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Speaker 3: that it sounds appealing, but I guess part of what

506
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Speaker 3: you're talking about is that, yes.

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Speaker 1: All of these sound genuinely unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: And that is why I think the FED should just

509
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Speaker 3: tell us if they really have no clue. That should

510
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Speaker 3: be like, look, we don't know, we don't know what

511
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Speaker 3: it is. I literally have no clue what it is.

512
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Speaker 3: Give us high resolution technology. Another thing this is a

513
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Speaker 3: tell to in terms of the FEDS, where I think

514
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Speaker 3: they're afraid is that they haven't activated in any US

515
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Speaker 3: military assets. US North Command has basically been like we've

516
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Speaker 3: been advised not to assist. We've not asked to be

517
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Speaker 3: able to do anything.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know another thing that we learned, remember whenever it

520
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Speaker 3: came out, you know, with the sea about that Titanic

521
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Speaker 3: submarine and how America actually knew that all those guys died.

522
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Speaker 1: After like a day, like literally the day of Yeah.

523
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another one, because they knew because they have

524
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Speaker 3: exactly we have the entire sea basically wired with sonar

525
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Speaker 3: and all of this other listening technology. Like our tech

526
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Speaker 3: for all those place is extremely good, like and if

527
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Speaker 3: they were detecting any of that stuff, we would know.

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Speaker 1: I think they're terrified because they have no clue.

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Speaker 2: Our tech is so good that we have a mass

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Speaker 2: operation of drones.

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Speaker 4: So I mean without what is it that doesn't give

532
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Speaker 4: out heat? His signature?

533
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Speaker 3: But I've talked about is I've talked about this before

534
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Speaker 3: with the so okay, if that's true, then that means

535
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Speaker 3: that an extraordinary part of engineering, of systems, of material

536
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 3: engineering and all this has been classified from inception to date.

537
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Speaker 3: I talked about this with the atomic bomb. The atomic bomb,

538
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Speaker 3: theoretically it was possible, but.

539
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Speaker 2: However, if the government knows about aliens, that would also

540
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Speaker 2: require a mass, government wide cover up, so it also

541
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Speaker 2: would require but you, I mean, based on your previous commentary,

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Speaker 2: it seems like you do think that they know about

543
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Speaker 2: some of these things that are going on, and that

544
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Speaker 2: would also require an extraordinary, multi decades long cover up.

545
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Speaker 2: So you know, it doesn't seem any less plausible to

546
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Speaker 2: me that they're able to cover up this whatever this

547
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Speaker 2: particular technological advancement is and whatever they're out there doing.

548
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Speaker 2: You know the fact, I think it is telling to

549
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Speaker 2: your point that there hasn't been some sort of military

550
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Speaker 2: marshaled response. They haven't as local politicians have called for.

551
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Speaker 4: Them to do.

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Speaker 2: They haven't issued a state of emergency. They haven't shut

553
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Speaker 2: down the skies for drone, you know, for use of

554
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Speaker 2: other commercial or civilian drones. And so to me, that

555
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Speaker 2: is a tell that either it's US and they know it,

556
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Speaker 2: or you know your theory that it's extraterrestrial. I just

557
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: think there is that is such an extraordinary and implausible

558
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Speaker 2: explanation that it requires a lot more evidence than just

559
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Speaker 2: seeing things that are unexplained in the US government acting

560
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Speaker 2: where because the US government always acts weird and secretive,

561
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Speaker 2: even about things that it shouldn't be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree, and I take your point on

563
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Speaker 3: the quote unquote UFO cover up. Part of what makes

564
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Speaker 3: it so extraordinary and annoying is that everything is about obfuscation,

565
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 3: it's about terrifying, it's about nobody knows anything. They just

566
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Speaker 3: know that it's not other things, and so it's not

567
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Speaker 3: that complicated. Also, I would say that the United States

568
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Speaker 3: government of the nineteen forties, which initially covered up Roswell

569
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Speaker 3: and everything, was a very, very competent government that set

570
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Speaker 3: up a program which literally could not exist today. So

571
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Speaker 3: we can go that will take forever to go through.

572
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Speaker 3: But my point of just why, I think that at

573
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Speaker 3: the very least we can all agree that there's a

574
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Speaker 3: full blown cover up. Let's please put a eight up

575
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Speaker 3: on the screen. The new Jersey Governor Phil Murphy is

576
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Speaker 3: saying quote rest residence deserved more concrete information on mystery drones.

577
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Speaker 3: He sent a letter to President Biden on Thursday, urging

578
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Speaker 3: the President to continue to direct federal agencies to find

579
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Speaker 3: the origin of the unmanned aircraft systems.

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 3: While I'm sincerely grateful for administration's leadership and addressing this

582
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 3: concerning issue, it has become apparent that more resources are

583
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Speaker 3: needed to fully understand what is behind this activity.

584
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Speaker 1: He continues to.

585
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Speaker 3: Put out tweets and others him looking at just one

586
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Speaker 3: from last night where he spent the night actually with

587
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Speaker 3: the FBI and with others who were in New Jersey

588
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Speaker 3: to quote discuss drone FBI investigation into recent drone sightings quote,

589
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Speaker 3: we are ready to assist the federal government in getting

590
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Speaker 3: to the bottom of this. So clearly he's mounting a

591
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Speaker 3: pressure campaign on the FEDS to try and get them

592
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Speaker 3: to send more resources. I don't know if any of

593
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Speaker 3: this will be successful. I think they'll just continue to

594
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Speaker 3: try and to wait it out. But it is just

595
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Speaker 3: it's truly extraordinary. It really is about what's happening here,

596
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Speaker 3: and you know, it just gives me even less faith,

597
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 3: I guess, in the government than ever before.

598
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It is certainly extraordinary.

599
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Speaker 2: And you know, I have ruled out that it's just

600
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Speaker 2: like nothing and people are imagining things, so.

601
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Speaker 1: It's just not possibly on Yeah, at this point, it's

602
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: just not possible.

603
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: You got any faith in your man coming in revealing

604
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Speaker 2: any of those classified information?

605
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Speaker 4: Trump?

606
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Speaker 3: Who oh, Trump well, first of all, wouldn't call him

607
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Speaker 3: my man. But do I have any faith in Donald Trump?

608
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: Maybe? I mean there's a bigger question.

609
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 4: Don't really reveal anything last time.

610
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: The question is is it even up to Donald Trump?

611
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Speaker 3: Is it even something that's in his repertoire or his

612
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Speaker 3: like of options.

613
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, I don't.

614
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Speaker 3: Think that's the way that the system has been able

615
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 3: to live for so long.

616
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Speaker 1: But I could be wrong.

617
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Speaker 3: I certainly hope. So you know, you could try, maybe

618
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 3: you can get one percent. Even one percent would be

619
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Speaker 3: amazing to be able to get any out of this.

620
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Speaker 3: At the very least. What he could do is continue

621
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: the public rhetoric. He's got an interest.

622
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Speaker 1: You know, he has a.

623
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Speaker 3: House in New Jersey, in Bedminster where they've apparently had

624
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: sightings before. And one of the ways he can easily

625
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: reel it out too, is that there's an FAA guidance

626
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Speaker 3: so that you're not allowed to fly anything.

627
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Speaker 2: I'd pretty in the married, Oh absolutely, especially with some

628
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: of these theories about like oh, there's a secret dirty

629
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Speaker 2: bomb and they're like, okay, I don't.

630
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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And that's another reason that the FED should

631
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: just tell people what's happening because people are gonna freak out.

632
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Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna have mass panic. And I don't know, I'm.

633
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Speaker 4: Surprised there's not actually more right now.

634
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Speaker 2: People just seem to find it sort of like intriguing,

635
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: Yes that's right, versus like really scary.

636
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Speaker 3: Well, if we see anymore, you know, you were only

637
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: like one incident away or something like that from really

638
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: igniting something really bad.

639
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it could be. I think at

640
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Speaker 1: the very least, stay tuned.

641
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and get to you some

642
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 2: updates with regards to Luigi Mangioni and the media reaction,

643
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: in particular this extraordinary segment on Fox Business where they

644
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: took great issue with the comments that both Bernie Sanders

645
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: and Elizabeth Warren have made, basically saying, listen, of course,

646
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Speaker 2: murder is wrong.

647
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Speaker 4: We all know that.

648
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Speaker 2: However, you have to understand the public reaction and how

649
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Speaker 2: they see the healthcare system as itself being violent, cruel

650
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Speaker 2: and evil. In response this Fox Business, I guess what

651
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: is Joe Conca a contributor there?

652
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: Conca, Yeah, a media.

653
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: Contributor anyway, media critic, whatever, analyst was brought on to

654
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Speaker 2: call for their resignation over these comments.

655
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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

656
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Speaker 10: This absolutely makes my blood boil, Liz, and I'm sure

657
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Speaker 10: that's true of anyone saying and sob who advocates a

658
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Speaker 10: civil society. These are including Elizabeth Warren. Bernie Sanders has

659
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Speaker 10: had the same sentiment. Two US senators that we're talking about.

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Speaker 10: They've been in office for decades and they think that

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Speaker 10: shooting a father of two boys a husband in the

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Speaker 10: back like a coward on the street, like this six '

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Speaker 10: sixth person Luigi Mangioni did last week. They're saying that

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Speaker 10: what Brian Thompson, the CEO, had it coming somehow. Both

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Speaker 10: should resign from the Senate for this rhetoric. They are

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Speaker 10: begging copycat killers to come along and start taking out

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Speaker 10: other CEOs or anybody in a position of power whom

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Speaker 10: they disagree with or whose industry they disagree with. Every

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Speaker 10: Democrat on Capitol Hill should be asked that they support

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Speaker 10: or condemn this ridiculous, reckless rhetoric. The same kind of rhetoric, Liz,

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Speaker 10: by the way, that Democrats used that nearly got Donald

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Speaker 10: Trump killed twice, including once on national television. I mean, look,

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Speaker 10: I thought that Obamacare was supposed to bring down the

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Speaker 10: cost of healthcare and premiums, and the opposite has happened.

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Speaker 10: Are we going to hear criticism from Elizabeth Warren about

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Speaker 10: the architect of Obamacare or the president it was named after. Doubtful.

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Speaker 10: Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders should be shamed into oblivion

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Speaker 10: for this, as should every member of the media. By

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Speaker 10: the way, that is turning this lunatic into a sex symbol.

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Speaker 10: It's nauseating as a father, as a human being, so

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Speaker 10: to state.

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Speaker 2: The obvious analysis of the public reaction is not the

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Speaker 2: same thing as advocacy for murder, quite clearly. Number two,

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Speaker 2: hilarious for Republicans to parol Clutch over violent rhetoric when,

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Speaker 2: of course Donald Trump was out there like calling for

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Speaker 2: the military to be turned on his political enemies. Number three,

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Speaker 2: the idea of SACA, the Bernie Sanders in particular, but

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Speaker 2: also Elizabeth Warren haven't been critical of Obamacare is kind

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Speaker 2: of preposterous. And number four, there's a later part in

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Speaker 2: the segment, which it was like a five minute segment,

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Speaker 2: so we don't want to play the whole club is

692
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Speaker 2: just too long where he starts going off on AOC

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Speaker 2: two and He's like, why don't these people offer solutions.

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Speaker 2: It's like they literally have been offering You may not

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Speaker 2: like their solutions, but medicare feral is a solution that

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Speaker 2: they have been pushing for Bernie Sanders in particular, for

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Speaker 2: probably literally.

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Speaker 4: Decades at this point.

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Speaker 2: So whole thing is just fake outrage over you know, what,

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Speaker 2: has been a mass reaction against the healthcare industry in

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Speaker 2: the wake of the killing.

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Speaker 1: So I think there has been a mass reaction.

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Speaker 3: I think what I'm begining, I guess I'm just starting

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Speaker 3: to get skeptical that this is okay. Having lived through

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Speaker 3: some leftist you know, justifications for violence and others, there

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Speaker 3: generally seems to be an overestimation of quote unquote how

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Speaker 3: much the public is with you. So just because something

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Speaker 3: is viral on TikTok or elsewhere. I mean, BLM was violent,

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Speaker 3: viral on not TikTok, social media or whatever at the time,

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Speaker 3: but people publicly turn against it. So I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: that the quote unquote rage and all of that isn't there.

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Speaker 3: But I also am a little bit skeptical that people

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Speaker 3: are full blown like, yeah, I'm actually like genuinely happy

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Speaker 3: that this person has been killed.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I don't. I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but you know there's but I mean, for example,

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Speaker 3: there's this theory, like you just laid out, that people

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Speaker 3: are like crying out for universal health care. But you know,

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Speaker 3: if you look at the statistics, I mean, the vast

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Speaker 3: majority of people are quote okay with their own health

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Speaker 3: care plan or coverage.

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. I think youro healthcare plan,

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Speaker 1: coverage and et cetera is way too expensive, is bad?

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Speaker 3: People mostly have affinity for their doctors. I mean a

725
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Speaker 3: lot a small portion of the US public, some thirty

726
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Speaker 3: to forty million, is genuinely like destroyed by the US

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Speaker 3: healthcare system. I think those are the people who probably

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Speaker 3: have been speaking out against this. But I also don't

729
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Speaker 3: think we should overstate the case of like what all

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Speaker 3: this is like.

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Speaker 1: If the people truly.

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Speaker 3: Cried out for universal health care, I think they would

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Speaker 3: get it. And I just genuinely don't think that.

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Speaker 2: You think you live in a democratic system where people

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Speaker 2: get what they want they support it popularly, because that

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Speaker 2: has not been my experience. I mean, if you think

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Speaker 2: back even to the twenty twenty primary, right, Bernie Sanders

738
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Speaker 2: is running on Medicare for all. Yeah, every poll showed

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Speaker 2: that majority, large majorities of Democratic voters, even in states

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Speaker 2: like Mississippi, supported Medicare for all over maintaining the current system. However,

741
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Speaker 2: they backed Joe Biden, yes, because they were convinced that

742
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Speaker 2: he was the only person who could be Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: and they were convinced by the electability argument. There was

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Speaker 2: recent pulling i think from Gallup that showed the highest

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Speaker 2: level in recent years of people saying that they believe

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Speaker 2: it should be the government's responsibility to provide.

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Speaker 4: For universal health care same as all though.

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Speaker 2: And that's but I'm not saying exactly, but I mean

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Speaker 2: that is a commitment to this should be a human right.

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Speaker 2: Healthcare should be a right and not a privilege. And

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Speaker 2: I do think even if you look at the polling

752
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Speaker 2: in this election, neither candidate ran on healthcare. I mean

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Speaker 2: outside of like, oh, we're going to lower a few

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Speaker 2: prescription drug prices or whatever that was it, healthcare has

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Speaker 2: been completely excised from the national political conversation up until

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Speaker 2: this moment.

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Speaker 4: But even with that being the.

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Speaker 2: Case, with neither political party really pushing the issue, you

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Speaker 2: still had people ranking healthcare reform as one of their

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Speaker 2: top issues. It clearly is a system that causes a

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Speaker 2: great deal of pain. Now you're right, do you want

762
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Speaker 2: to take what happens on Twitter as always real life?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: But the fact that you had this same reaction across

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Speaker 2: every single platform, I think definitely tells you that there

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Speaker 2: is some there there. And there was actually polling that

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Speaker 2: came out we didn't include it in this segment, but

768
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Speaker 2: some pretty extraordinary polling, especially of young people, where Luigi

769
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Speaker 2: Mangioni the killer has a higher approval rating than healthcare

770
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Speaker 2: in the United States, health insurance companies and Brian Thompson,

771
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Speaker 2: who's the slave and CEO.

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Speaker 3: But this is part of the problem with the cherry

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Speaker 3: picking stats like thirteen Congress has a thirteen percent approval rating.

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Speaker 3: Ninety percent of people approve of their member of Congress, right.

775
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Speaker 3: So the point is is that it's complicated in terms

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Speaker 3: of how it actually manifes.

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Speaker 4: You think people are actually satisfied with Congress.

778
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Speaker 3: I think people like their congressmen or delude themselves into

779
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Speaker 3: thinking that their particular congressman is the good one and

780
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Speaker 3: it's all the other bad ones that are the wa

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Speaker 3: It's like doctors. I've talked about this before. Everyone loves

782
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Speaker 3: their doctor. Nobody wants to talk about why our doctors

783
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: are wildly overpaid. Sorry docs, I know you'll crucify me

784
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Speaker 3: for that one. Compared to every other developed country in

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Speaker 3: the world, Like, this is the thing is that if

786
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: you actually dig into it and you look all right,

787
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Speaker 3: even coming back to the universal health care point like

788
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Speaker 3: you just talked about, the government has responsibility. That's not

789
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: the same thing as a single payer system. Right now,

790
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Speaker 3: if you look at faith in our medical system, public health,

791
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Speaker 3: and others, after you've just gone through COVID, how could

792
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Speaker 3: you want the government to take over universal health care?

793
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Speaker 3: That's insane considering the amount of bullshit that they talked

794
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: and lied to us for over five years. So anything,

795
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 3: America has become way more libertarian, But whenever it comes.

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Speaker 2: To health you want big pharmaceuticals talking about what I

797
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: want with this motive, and health insurance with a for

798
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 2: profit motive. I mean, if you just look at our

799
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Speaker 2: system compared to Listen, I'm not saying that every other

800
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Speaker 2: country with universal health care where it's perfect and nobody

801
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 2: has any complaints, but the cost is lower, the care

802
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: is better, and people live longer. Agree, Like, it's very clear,

803
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: And is it a universal sentiment in favor, No, of

804
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: course not. But there's I think it's pretty undeniable at

805
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: this point that this moment has struck a chord with

806
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: people because so many Americans have had some horrible experience

807
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: with the healthcare system and do experience it's as effectively.

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Speaker 4: Cruel and terrible and inhuman.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just at its core, like putting profits

810
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 2: over actually caring for people when they're ill, making sure

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Speaker 2: they get what they need. That is an immoral system

812
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: that we have set up. And yes, I think that

813
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: millions and millions of Americans experience it as such, and

814
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: that's why they're reacting to it so to you know,

815
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 2: just like dismiss that, and I just don't.

816
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 4: I just don't agree.

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00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm not dismissing it. I'm just not. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to overstate it.

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Speaker 3: I think there's it's trending and it's cool right now

820
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 3: to talk about Luisi Imanji and I get Look, it's funny,

821
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Speaker 3: all right. Like as somebody who's been on four chand

822
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Speaker 3: since literally a teenager, I understand dark humor, et cetera.

823
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Speaker 3: It doesn't bother me all right. Like if anything, I'm

824
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: laughing right there with you. But I'm not going to

825
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: overstate the case as some sort of like mass social movement.

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Speaker 3: I just think it's a lot more multifaceted than a

827
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Speaker 3: lot of people who want quote unquote universal healthcare believe

828
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Speaker 3: trusting government is an all time low trust and institutions.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the vaccine rate is now basic like following.

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Speaker 3: I think the flu shot had the lowest uptick literally

831
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Speaker 3: ever in modern American history. The number of people who

832
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Speaker 3: are produsing personal exemption and are outwardly flouting government guidance

833
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: is higher than ever. I don't even think any of

834
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Speaker 3: that is necessarily a bad thing, because people are asking

835
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Speaker 3: questions for themselves.

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Speaker 1: Look like Medica but that's not.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, okay, old people like when Medicare pays their bills,

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Speaker 3: but they don't like whenever they get told what to do.

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Speaker 2: But that's what But that's what Medicare comes down for

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Speaker 2: all would be.

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Speaker 4: Is It's not that's what Medicare for all.

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Speaker 2: That's the proposal for Medicare for all is just to

843
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: expand Medicare already a very popular program, and Bernie's plan

844
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: specifically would just continuously lower the age until you have

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Speaker 2: everyone covered by Medicare, much lower administrative costs, much better outcomes,

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Speaker 2: you know, in line with what many other countries have done.

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Speaker 2: So it's not like you're going to be going to

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Speaker 2: like your government issued doctor. Although I will also say

849
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: that the VA healthcare system is also much better than

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Speaker 2: the private healthcare.

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Speaker 3: You certainly listen. I don't disagree about health outcomes, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think we live in a society that

853
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: can tolerate this right now. I mean I can talk

854
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: about Japan all day long, but tolerate that can tolerate

855
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Speaker 3: like literal government administration, rationing, and so in Canada and

856
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: the UK, these are baked in social programs from World

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Speaker 3: War II onwards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people too, they love they love Medicare again and

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Speaker 2: social security. They like universal programs are very popular.

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Speaker 3: They like it when the government pays their bills. They

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00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: don't necessarily like it whenever they're being told what to

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00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: do or in their rational care or whenever we had

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00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: what was it There was huge COVID outbreaks and a

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Speaker 3: lot of these medicare.

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Speaker 4: So what do you think that the best solution would be?

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Speaker 3: So, if you ask me about solution, I think we

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Speaker 3: should have universal coverage, not necessarily single pair. I think

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Speaker 3: there's certainly every American should have access to low cost

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Speaker 3: health care, but a lot of people will not like

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Speaker 3: what it takes.

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Speaker 4: Together, like a public option.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, really it's about democratic because the point is

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Speaker 3: is that we need to have sure that people have coverage.

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Speaker 3: We also need to break up and destroy a lot

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Speaker 3: of the cost vectors, which is private equity hospitals, which

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Speaker 3: is doctors, the American Medical Association. The fact that our

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00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: people are getting five times more salary than the average

879
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 3: doctor in Europe, it's outrageous.

880
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a treatment of the American people

881
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: as if they're this static entity that have their minds

882
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: made up and we just have to like analyze what

883
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: that is. And in reality, people are very like their

884
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: minds change and they're persuadable, and you know, when an

885
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: event occurs that causes them to think about the healthcare

886
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: system differently, they change their minds and they open their

887
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 2: minds to new possibilities. I mean, you know, previously in

888
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: the early Obama era, for example, the idea of something

889
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: like medicare for all, I mean that wasn't even on

890
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: the table. Now there is large and potentially majority. Certainly

891
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: some polls have shown majority support for Medicare for all.

892
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: So I just think, you know, you can't just treat

893
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: the American people like this is what they think, and

894
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: that's that you also have to make the case for

895
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: what you think would be a better solution to try

896
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: to persuade people, especially in a moment of an opening

897
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: right that right now, like we're having right now that

898
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: previously didn't exist, I mean under the Kamalin Trump and

899
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: that campaign and what was being discussed there, Like this

900
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 2: conversation wasn't even on the table, and now it is.

901
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: And so I think potentially what you're reacting to is, yes,

902
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: the fact that a lot of leftists who have long

903
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: said this system is immoral and horrible and we should

904
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: not have a for profit system are using this opening

905
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: where there is a national conversation happening about healthcare to

906
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 2: suggest an alternative. Ye, there is absolutely that is going on.

907
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: But I think that's a pause. I think that should

908
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: be that's an appropriate conversation to have in this moment,

909
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: rather than hey, maybe the solution is like murdering healthcare CEOs,

910
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: which is obviously preposterous saying, yes, we understand why you're

911
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: angry at this system. Here is a solution that would

912
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: be much more effective, has been tried in other countries,

913
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 2: would save money and would save lives. I think that's

914
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: the leftist conversation that's going on here outside of just

915
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: shit posting.

916
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: Fair enough, Yeah, and there is a lot.

917
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: First of all, there is a boomer tendency right and

918
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 3: left to take seriously shit posts which are obviously a joke.

919
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: So again, as everybody who's grew up on four Chan,

920
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 3: it doesn't bother me, and I'm not reacting to any

921
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: of it at all.

922
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 4: You don't think bernieh resigned, No, I do not think.

923
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm fine with analy I'm fine

924
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: with the intellectual analysis of quote unquote justification of violence,

925
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: because that's all of history is about thinking about why

926
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: we have certain extreme reactions.

927
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: Sometimes in the.

928
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: Case of Luigi Cocks and what totally October I could think.

929
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 3: But forever, I mean, you know, any killing January sixth, right,

930
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: how many conversation we have here on this show. I

931
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: remember talking about that guy who died of a heart attack,

932
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: who voted for Barack Obama in Alabama and was a

933
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: union worker who literally died of a heart attack while

934
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: storming the Capitol on January sixth.

935
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: How does that happen?

936
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: It's an interesting sociological story, which obviously has major societal implications.

937
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: So I don't object to any of that. I'm just

938
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 3: what I am like looking at is this theory of like, oh,

939
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: like healthcare itself is the answer, and politically it just

940
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: has a bad track record. I mean, if you look

941
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: at Obamacare destroyed in the midterms twenty ten, Trump then

942
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: gets destroyed in twenty eighteen when he tries to repeal Obamacare.

943
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: The general thesis to me, it seems to me, is

944
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: when you screw with the healthcare system, people are pissed.

945
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: I mean that doesn't mean that the system itself is good.

946
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 3: But I keep coming back to that Congress thing where

947
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: people say that they're outraged. But when you actually want

948
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 3: to change something, or if they actually want to vote

949
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: for something different, they never do it. I mean, so

950
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 3: if you look at their actual voting.

951
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 11: Patterns are different, like why they keep the whiplash back

952
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 11: and forth. That's to the presidential parties, like there clearly

953
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 11: has been We live in an era where people are

954
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 11: consistently voting for change and never really getting the change

955
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 11: that they ultimately want. I mean, you know, Obamacare is

956
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 11: an interesting example because, yeah, people were dissatisfied with certain

957
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 11: aspects of it, in my opinion, especially you know, if

958
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 11: a single pair wasn't on the table, then at least

959
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 11: having a public option there would have made the bill

960
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 11: much more effected, much more popular in the short term.

961
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 11: But even Obamacare, as imperfect as it is, over time

962
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 11: it has been clear to people it did make some improvements,

963
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 11: which is why when Trump tried to take it away,

964
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 11: there was this mass reaction against going backwards in our

965
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 11: healthcare system.

966
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: So in any case, like I said.

967
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 2: I'm not claiming that everyone in the country support suddenly

968
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: supports Medicare for all. What I am saying is that

969
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: when you have an opening in the conversation that wasn't

970
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 2: there before, of course makes sense for people to put

971
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: forward their ideas. For Hey, instead of having vigilante violence,

972
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: how about we reform the system in this way so

973
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: that we have less cruelty sickness, illness, bankruptcy, and death.

974
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: This is an idea that could accomplish that, and try

975
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: to push the conversation for it, because ultimately you know,

976
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: otherwise there is no real change.

977
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: Again, first, I don't even really disagree in terms of

978
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: the sociological annalysis. I guess it's just one of the

979
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 3: comments on the general politics of it. I'll tell you

980
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: what doesn't help the general politics of it and gives

981
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 3: a left disappoint Let's put this up there on the screen.

982
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 3: Corporate America quote gets more reclusive following CEO's killings and

983
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: fear in the c suite. After night, Healthcare CEO is

984
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: gunned down, and now all of a sudden, you know,

985
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: public officials and others are talking about Actually, this is

986
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: my exact prediction.

987
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: I was like, the only thing that's going to come

988
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 1: out of this is that there's going.

989
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 3: To be security guys out there, former Navy seals and

990
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: others who are going to be printing money off of

991
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: the quote unquote fear in the c suite, people taking

992
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: down their websites like Bill Burr talked about as well.

993
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: So this is obviously the ironic reaction is instead of

994
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: talking about health care practices or whatever is that, of

995
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: course they turn to, oh, well, we need to make

996
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: sure that our CEOs and our executives are better protected

997
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 3: against all.

998
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: Of The other reaction has been to try to criminalize

999
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: criticizing health insurance companies. Yes, what's going on in Florida

1000
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: with this woman who was arrested as being charged for

1001
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: inciting terrorism and threatening terrorism? I mean, completely insane for

1002
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: you know, repeating that I always get it wrong, like

1003
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: deny defend a Poe, repeating what Luigi Mangioni had on

1004
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: his bullets to some call center employee and say you

1005
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 2: all are going to be next, not even saying like listen.

1006
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 4: Threats have to be credible and specific.

1007
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: Okay, lots of people are out there, probably you and

1008
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: I just don't really look getting death threats on Twitter

1009
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: and all kinds of other places all day long, and

1010
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: unless it's incredibly specific and credible.

1011
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 4: It is not illegal.

1012
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: The idea that what this woman said is illegal is

1013
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: utterly preposterous.

1014
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: To post bail, do we know?

1015
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 6: Ye?

1016
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: She was even one hundred.

1017
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: Thousands confinement now, but there was some rumors online that

1018
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: they had dropped the charges. Her family is updated and

1019
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: said that they have not dropped the charges. They are

1020
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: still pursuing. This completely utterly insane. I talked to Ken Clippenstein,

1021
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 2: who has been doing incredible and reporting that the mainstream

1022
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: media has not touched on this whole situation, and he

1023
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: has been discussing how there have been you know, multiple

1024
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: people from within the national security apparatus, including incoming.

1025
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 4: Effectively terrors aresb.

1026
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: Gorka, who wants to use this as a pretext for

1027
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: additional crackdowns on quote unquote anti capitalist extremists extremism. So yeah,

1028
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: I mean that's if you don't reform and you have

1029
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: an increasingly unequal and cruel system, that is the other

1030
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: pathway is basically like security state crackdown, which is of

1031
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: course something that we have experienced over years and years

1032
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: of that increasing ratcheting up of the surveillance and civil

1033
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: liberties like going going away endlessly for the past I

1034
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: don't know how many years. So that is the other

1035
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: reaction we've seen here. And then this was hilarious. Kathy Hochl,

1036
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: Governor of New York, who is just utterly apathetic and

1037
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: unimpressive and every way you can imagine put this up

1038
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: on the screen. She's apparently according I like the way

1039
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: that Luke Goldswein puts this. Kathy Hockel is holding a

1040
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 2: therapy session with one hundred and seventy five corporate representative

1041
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: CEOs to calm the nerves of the New York City

1042
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 2: business elite in the wake of Brian Thompson's killing quote.

1043
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: Demonization of corporate executives is not new, said Kathy Wild,

1044
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: CEO and president of the Partnership for New York, who

1045
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: is leading this outreach meeting. So you know, this is

1046
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: her response, rather than trying to push for sort of

1047
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: any sort of healthcare reform, it's to hold the hands

1048
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: of these corporate CEOs. And you know, I expect that

1049
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 2: would be the immediate Democratic Party response. You have plenty

1050
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: of people out there who are not sounding like Bernie

1051
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who are you know, are not

1052
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: trying to understand why people are so angry at a

1053
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: system that is so unjust barbaric and cool.

1054
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: Well, in this case, the state of New York literally

1055
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: runs on rich people and on conferences.

1056
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: Like their entire tax revenue.

1057
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 3: I think it's like fifty percent of their tax revenue

1058
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 3: is paid by a fifty individual something.

1059
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 1: Really well, yeah, it's insane in New.

1060
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 4: York City, some Gilded age stuff.

1061
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: It's literally it's and that's why these are non functional places.

1062
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 3: Places like San Francisco and New York. If you lose

1063
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 3: a single individual, that's why they're their whole. Like idea

1064
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: of taxation and the way that it works was great

1065
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 3: as long as you have like a moat around business.

1066
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 3: And that's why you need to reassure because what was

1067
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 3: that you know, what was Brian Thompson headed to from

1068
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: his hotel his shareholder conference, right, So like there you go.

1069
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: So without that and the hotels and the money and

1070
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: the ability of extreme the extremely basically the global elite

1071
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: to converge on New York City for business, they have

1072
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: nothing going for them period. Yeah, they just have their

1073
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: high social services. So it explains, you know, and these.

1074
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 4: Are their friends, these are their donors.

1075
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly the way it works.

1076
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: One more piece here that I just wanted to flag.

1077
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: I will say, you know, I'm not like, you know,

1078
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: I'm skeptical of a lot of conspiracy the theories, but

1079
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 2: I am a little bit suspicious of the official narrative

1080
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: of how Luigi Mangioni was ultimately apprehended. In any case,

1081
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal had this piece saying that the way

1082
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,479
Speaker 2: that they were able to apprehend him was this mix

1083
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: of new technology, advanced surveillance tech and.

1084
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 4: Old school sleuthing.

1085
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: The official narrative here is that they used all of

1086
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: this incredible surveillance architecture within New York City to be

1087
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: able to capture that one image of Luigi Mangioni with

1088
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: his mask down at the hostel. Then they put that

1089
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: out to the public. And by the way, speaking of

1090
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: rich people, this is a Tish. She's one of the

1091
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: a member of the you know, wealthy multi billionaire Tish family,

1092
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: owners of the Lower which, yeah, I learned that in

1093
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 2: this article. I was wondering because I noted the last name.

1094
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Speaker 2: They're part owners of the Giants. Anyway, very storied, wealthy,

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00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: extremely wealthy New York family are in any case, so

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Speaker 2: she is the NYPD commissioner, which is interesting and of itself.

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00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: So anyway, there theory is okay, they or their story is,

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Speaker 2: they got this picture, they put it onto the public,

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00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: and then some random person in McDonald's is able to

1100
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: spot Luigi Maanngioni based on that photo call in a tip.

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00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: The police are there minutes later and find the murder weapon,

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00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: the manifesto, the bullets, et cetera. And that's how they're

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Speaker 2: able to bring him to justice.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It just seems I know that they were getting hundreds,

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Speaker 2: if not thousands of tips into this hotline. Is it

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00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: really probable that this one tip they would act on

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00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: so immediately.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I find that a little bit hard to believe. And

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00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: some people were pointing out online that McDonald's kiosks do

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Speaker 2: have cameras and some sort of like, you know, facial

1113
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: recognition technology at these McDonald's kiosks, and wondering whether there

1114
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: was some ability to use this private surveillance tech by

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00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: the public officials, which would obviously be you know, extraordinary

1116
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: violation of privacy rights, et cetera. So just putting that

1117
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: out there that, you know, to keep an eye on

1118
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: the official story about how this or individual was apprhanded.

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Speaker 1: They suspected it, then they checked the camera, and then

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Speaker 1: they exactly right.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, you get very much.

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00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: I mean I said, it's not outside the realm of possibility.

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00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 3: I've involuntarily been face scanned at airports where they don't

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Speaker 3: even check your ID in some cases if you fly

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00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: through a major airport like Washington, Dulles or elsewhere. Sometimes

1126
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 3: TSA is doing these pilot programs where you don't even

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00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 3: hand the TSA agent your ID. They just scan your

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00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 3: face and it pops on your boarding pass. And when

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00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: you're bored in international flights these days, it's a it's

1130
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 3: a game.

1131
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: Like when you.

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00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 3: Board, the default is that you're boarding by face by

1133
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 3: face scan.

1134
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: It's creepy.

1135
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 3: Nobody ever consented to, at least I don't remember checking

1136
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 3: a specific thing. I mean maybe even if it's a farce,

1137
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: just scan the boarding pass. It makes me feel better

1138
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 3: as opposed to like twenty three E.

1139
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 4: You're like, WHOA, that is creepy.

1140
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean it is.

1141
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 3: And that's a private company, right, and then you think

1142
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 3: about the TSA and all that is there. I've pretty

1143
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: much given it all up after enrolled. I don't know,

1144
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 3: I'm enrollment to Global Entry and all of these other

1145
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 3: things voluntarily just so I don't get detained for three

1146
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 3: hours waiting in line. But that's another way the government

1147
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 3: gets you on a lot of these programs. You know,

1148
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 3: forty five million people have TSA pre check now, which

1149
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 3: means that their fingerprints are on file, that their you know,

1150
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: face and and others are inside of a government database.

1151
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: What are you going to do?

1152
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 3: What the alternative is they're like, screw you, wait in line.

1153
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: Oh you're going to miss your flight. You know, That's

1154
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 3: that's how they get you.

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00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's phones that can be you know, that's

1156
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 2: a position by the cops and Alexa devices and surveillance camera.

1157
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: That is one thing you realized too in the story

1158
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: about following this when it was a man hunt, just

1159
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: how many cameras are recording you.

1160
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: That's why I didn't think you would ever get away

1161
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 3: with it. I was like, there's just no way these days.

1162
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 3: I mean, they can track everything.

1163
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but you know, I do think if

1164
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 2: he had immediately boarded a flight to another country before

1165
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: they had because they said.

1166
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Speaker 4: They didn't have a name, they didn't have really anything.

1167
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah until that photo didn't even come out until the

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Speaker 2: next day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, his biggest mistake was not just getting on the

1170
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: train to JFK and going to I don't know, Zimbabwe

1171
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 3: or something.

1172
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably thought that they would have had his

1173
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 2: face ideed more quickly than that being able to apprehend

1174
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: him at Therapore, or maybe he wanted to get gone.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I do think that's a possibility.

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Speaker 3: We had the manifesto, the gun and the exactly which

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Speaker 3: was done.

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Speaker 2: And he had ditched the backpack with the monopoly money.

1179
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: So you'd been ditching things along the way, seemingly kind

1180
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 2: of intentionally. So why didn't you ditch the murder weapon

1181
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: in the manifold whatever? Who knows what's going on in

1182
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: his mind. But anyway, those the latest updates we have

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00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: for you there. As Joe Biden reaches the end of

1184
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: his time in office, there have been, of course a

1185
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 2: lot of discussion about pardons once he has already given

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00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: link to his son, and we had a whole new

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00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: raft of pardons that I'll get into momentarily, but also

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00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: question of whether or not he should and whether he

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00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 2: will issue preemptive pardons for people who may be threatened

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Speaker 2: by retribution from Donald Trump. Bernie Sanders weighed in on

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00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: this question and said he was in favor of pardons

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00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: for members of the January sixth Committee.

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Speaker 4: Let's take listen to that.

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Speaker 12: We know the White is considering potential preemptive pardons of

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00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 12: those who've clashed with President elect Trump in light of

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Speaker 12: what the President elect said to me that yes, he

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Speaker 12: does think that members of the January sixth Committee should.

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Speaker 4: Go to jail.

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Speaker 12: Do you think that mister Biden should issue preemptive pardons

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Speaker 12: for the entire January sixth committee.

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Speaker 13: Well, I think he might want to consider that very seriously. Look,

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Speaker 13: that is an outrageous statement. This is what authoritarianism is

1203
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 13: all about. Us with dictatorship is all about. You do

1204
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 13: not arrest elected officials who disagree with you, who undertake

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00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 13: an investigation, so all of us, And I would tell

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00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 13: you Christ and I think there are a lot of Republicans.

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Speaker 13: You just heard Lindsey Graham make that statement. I think

1208
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 13: that idea of Trump is not going to go very far.

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Speaker 13: It is so quite outrageous, so kind of interesting.

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Speaker 2: He on the one hand says, like, yes, I think

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Speaker 2: he considered that, should consider that. On the other hand,

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00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 2: he says, I don't think a lot of these ideas

1213
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: are going to go very far the action as we

1214
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Speaker 2: could move on to.

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Speaker 1: This, I just think it's kind of cringe.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, like, look, maybe will happen, maybe not,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, like you said, I find

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Speaker 3: it genuinely unbelievable. It also just gets to the Biden

1219
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: theory of pardons.

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Speaker 1: Of which I've been thinking about.

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Speaker 3: Which you also floated. Look, I don't agree with pardoning

1222
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 3: people on the death penalty. But I understand the like

1223
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 3: moral and philosophical case. But considering that his people who've

1224
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 3: been pardoned so far are his son and then a

1225
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 3: bunch of crooks who are about to get to people

1226
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 3: who should rot in hell for the rest of their lives.

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Speaker 3: While probably what most people would consider like non violent

1228
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: offenses or whatever, are people genuinely deserving of clemency, especially

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Speaker 3: if you're a democratic, your leftist, or you said you're

1230
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 3: gonna pardon all these people, when you allow those people

1231
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 3: you know to continue to be in prison, I'm just

1232
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Speaker 3: very interested that elected lawmakers are the ones that are consideration.

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Speaker 3: My son is the very first person I pardon is

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Speaker 3: my son. Then I will follow with commutations.

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Speaker 4: Kind of wild, yeah, exactly.

1236
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Speaker 3: So it's like, oh, so we're worried about the elected officials,

1237
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 3: the sons and corrupt budges, but not others. Now, look,

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Speaker 3: I'm not a leniency person in general, but if that's

1239
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: your framework, you got to see a lot of corruption here.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I would say to Berniesham.

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00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 2: So so I think it makes sense given the threats

1242
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: against like people who were just on the January sixth

1243
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: committee whatever. I think it's reasonable to issue preemptive pardons there.

1244
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: But let's go and talk about what Biden has actually

1245
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 2: done already, because it is kind of well, let's put

1246
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: this up on the screen. So he issued a raft

1247
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: of some fifteen hundred's historic clemency package for fifteen hundred

1248
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: convicted criminals who the White House said, quote, deserve a

1249
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 2: second chance. Most of these commutations were for people who

1250
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 2: had been released during COVID.

1251
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 4: There was an effort, this was actually under Donald Trump.

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00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: To alleviate some of the pressure in federal prisons and

1253
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: help stop this bread which was really quite significant within

1254
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 2: the prison system. So people who were non violent, who

1255
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: I think were towards the end of their terms were

1256
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: sent home to some sort of home imprisonment. And these

1257
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred people were part of that program. And apparently

1258
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: in this mix of fifteen hundred people, one of the

1259
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 2: individuals who was pardoned is just one of the most

1260
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 2: despicable criminals you can possibly imagine. This judge who was

1261
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: in cahoots with the builders of these private juvenile detention facilities.

1262
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: That was part of a scheme to sentence kids as

1263
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 2: young as like eight years old to juvenile detention, some

1264
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: of whom ultimately several of whom ultimately committed suicide in

1265
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: these facilities because the conditions were so horrible and their

1266
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 2: lives were so horrible and so tortured. They called this

1267
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: man I remember covering this case. It was the Kids

1268
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: for Cash was what they called him. And there was

1269
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 2: another judge that was in cahoots with him, and he

1270
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: was one of the people that was pardoned as part

1271
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: of this. The headline here from CNN they say, victims

1272
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: of major public coruption cases in Pennsylvania and Illino are

1273
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: angry President Joe Biden grant and clemency this week to

1274
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: two convicted officials. So in addition to this crooked Pennsylvania judge,

1275
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Speaker 2: there was also what they describe as a notorious Illinois

1276
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: fraudster who had been convicted. Rita Crundwell is her name.

1277
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: She'd been convicted of a fifty four million dollar embezzlement scheme,

1278
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: believed to be the largest municipal fraud in US history.

1279
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Speaker 4: But just so you understand.

1280
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 2: How horrific this was the situation with the judge his

1281
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: partner in crime, like I said, ordered children as young

1282
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 2: as eight to juvenile detention.

1283
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 4: Many of them.

1284
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 2: First time offenders would be for things like petty theft, jaywalking, truancy,

1285
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: smoking on school grounds, other minor infractions. The judge often

1286
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: ordered you he had found delinquent to be immediately shackled, handcuffed,

1287
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: taken away without giving them a chance to put up

1288
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: a defense or even say goodbye to their families. The

1289
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: mother of one of these children who died by suicide

1290
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: after spending time in one of these facilities since she

1291
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: was shocked and hurt after learning of Biden's decision to

1292
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 2: commute the rest of Conahan's sentence. And to your point, Sager,

1293
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: you know, think of some of the people whose sentences

1294
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: you could commute. I mean, Joe Biden claims to be

1295
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: against the death penalty. You have significant number of federal

1296
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: inmates on death row. He could commute their sentences. You know,

1297
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: to life in prison hasn't done that. Let's put this

1298
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: up on the screen. You have Leonard Peltier who was convicted.

1299
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Speaker 2: He is a Native American activist who was convicted in

1300
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: the seventies, has been in prison for forty four years,

1301
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: is elderly. The original conviction would not hold up to

1302
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: scrutiny today. There was basically, no evidence that he committed

1303
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: the crime that they accused him of committing, no sign

1304
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: that he's, you know, planning to pardon Leonard Peltil. The

1305
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: pressure continues and members of Congress have been pushing him

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Speaker 2: to go in this direction. Next one up on the screen,

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Speaker 2: Julian Assange. Not in prison anymore, but he is still

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Speaker 2: being urged to also pardon Assage and clear him of

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Speaker 2: his charge, just to send a message on media freedom.

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Speaker 2: Jim McGovern a Democrat from Massachusetts, and Thomas Massey, libertarian

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Speaker 2: Republican from Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: They both wrote to the President.

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Speaker 2: With a bipartisan request to pardon Julian Massange earlier in November.

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Speaker 4: Another one up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Someone we've had on this show, Stephen Donziger, who stood

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Speaker 2: up to Chevron and was prosecuted and persecuted for doing such.

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Speaker 2: There are thirty four members of Congress who were calling

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Speaker 2: on Joe Biden to pardon Stephen Donziger. He was jailed

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Speaker 2: directly by Chevron lawyers. Many experts call it the nation's

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Speaker 2: first corporate prosecution. And again he prioritarized pardoning his own

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Speaker 2: son and pardoning this crooked, horrible judge kids for cash

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01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 2: judge over any of these much more deserving and wrongfully

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Speaker 2: imprisoned individuals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, look, I mean again, presidential pardon is crazy,

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Speaker 3: and it's funny that whenever they get to use it,

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Speaker 3: nine out of ten times they do what their monarchical

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01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 3: predecessors always did, which is pardon their friends and oligarchical allies.

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Speaker 3: Eventually they will throw some crumbs or whatever to the

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Speaker 3: people with a few things like this, but it's really

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Speaker 3: I mean, the cash for kids one just makes no discussing.

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Speaker 2: And look, I think what happened is they just didn't

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Speaker 2: look into it. There was just like mass pardons for

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Speaker 2: all these people.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 3: But because remember under Trump they had this whole there's

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Speaker 3: no pardons process and all of this.

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Speaker 1: They so they have a process there there is.

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Speaker 3: No way a pardon gets to the President of the

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Speaker 3: United States desk under this administration, where they were not aware.

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Speaker 1: At least incompetence is very well, maybe incompetence, but.

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Speaker 2: What means signative zience as chief of staff has been

1342
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: an utter disaster, and so it would not surprise me.

1343
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: Obviously Joe Biden's brain is cooked, like he's not looking and.

1344
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Speaker 1: So he's just signing whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, whether it's like whether it's actually they

1346
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 2: affirmatively wanted this guy to be released, or it's incompetence,

1347
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Speaker 2: it doesn't lessen how disgusting it is that this person

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Speaker 2: was was included in the fifteen hundred who received pardons.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of the point, is that if you

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Speaker 3: look at some of the people who they do pardon

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Speaker 3: and who they do, you know, I just can't get

1353
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 3: over that the very perverse person is his own son.

1354
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Speaker 3: You know, it's all about him. Then it's about the

1355
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Speaker 3: people work for him. Then it's about rich Pete donors

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Speaker 3: or you know, all these other people who've got strings

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Speaker 3: and all these other things.

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Speaker 1: And then eventually maybe we'll get to the.

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Speaker 3: People who have no power whatsoever. But that's the story.

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Speaker 3: That is literally the story of pardons. I think the

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Speaker 3: whole thing is completely.

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Speaker 4: It's a very selfish individual.

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Speaker 3: That means, one of the most selfish men to ever

1364
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Speaker 3: occupy the Oval office, which sounds crazy, but it is.

1365
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Speaker 3: If you look at the decisions, every single one of

1366
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Speaker 3: them is true. The most important decision he ever had

1367
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 3: to make was whether he was going to run again,

1368
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 3: which requires self knowledge and he literally, in his own words,

1369
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 3: decided to doom the country to fascism. According to him,

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Speaker 3: be referred to salvage his own ego. I cannot, I

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Speaker 3: literally cannot think of a more selfish act. It's crazy,

1372
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Speaker 3: absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 2: All right, we have an update on our gerontocracy. So

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Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi is apparently in the hospital or wasn't the

1375
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 2: hospital suffered a fall while she was overseas in Luxembourg.

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Speaker 2: We can put up this statement on the screen. It's

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Speaker 2: from Ian Craig, or her spokesperson, while traveling with a

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01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: bipartisan congressional delegation in Luxembourg, Speaker Amrita Nancy Pelosi sustained

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01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: an injury during an official engagement, was admitted to the

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Speaker 2: hospital for evaluation. Say, she's currently receiving excellent treatment from

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01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: doctors and medical professionals, continues to work. Regrets she's unable

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Speaker 2: to remain to attend the remainder of the Codell engagements.

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Speaker 4: Blah blah.

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Speaker 2: So significant injury here that was sustained by her, And

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Speaker 2: my understanding is what she ended up having to have

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Speaker 2: a hip replacement.

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Speaker 4: Is that what happened or.

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, looking for the same thing.

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Speaker 3: But you know that's no joke when you're how old

1390
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Speaker 3: is she? She's eighty something. She is eighty four years old.

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Speaker 3: Hip replacement is not a joke. Fall is one of

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01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 3: the leading causes or contributors to death of people who

1393
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Speaker 3: are over the age of seventy. By the way, that's

1394
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 3: a good reason to always try and stay in shape,

1395
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 3: because it's very difficult whenever you lose muscle mass, nos,

1396
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 3: especially to rec after a situation like this, it can

1397
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 3: often lead to degradation.

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Speaker 1: I hope for the best, and I hope she's okay,

1399
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: but it is.

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Speaker 3: It is just it's sad because it just highlights that

1401
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 3: these people cling to power no matter what.

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Speaker 1: You're eighty four years old, you're worth over.

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01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 3: One hundred million dollars right at your ostensibly.

1404
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 4: Not all well earned.

1405
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 3: The speak yeah, yeah, totally well well deserved. You know,

1406
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: it's listen, meritocracy, right.

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Speaker 2: I just pray it is a hip replacement. She had

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01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: to have a hip replacement here in Luxembourg, so significant fault.

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Speaker 1: You're in a foreign country.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is not a you know, in terms

1411
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 3: of all these things you're subjecting yourself to and you're

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01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 3: doing it at this point for what you lost, the

1413
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Speaker 3: signature achievement of the Pelosi you know leaders. Everyone says

1414
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 3: she's one of the greatest leaders of all time. It's like, well,

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01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 3: you know, not when you put it up against Rayburn

1416
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 3: and some of the other great speakers of the House.

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01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 3: But just objectively, like, look at the course of the

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01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 3: Democratic Party under her. You had Barack Obama, and they

1419
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 3: were all jazzed and excited for that, and they got

1420
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 3: blown out in twenty ten. They brief returned to power

1421
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 3: as a bulwark against Trump to resign him to the

1422
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 3: dust bin of history. As you'll all recall and then project,

1423
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 3: over the last twelve years, the political project has been

1424
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 3: a failure.

1425
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: It has led now to again the rise of Donald

1427
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 3: Trump into no House majority. So people can say that

1428
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 3: you've been such a great accomplishment and wielder of power, etc.

1429
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: Like I just I don't see any of that at

1430
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: all at this point.

1431
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Speaker 3: If anything, it's just time you gotta go, just go home,

1432
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 3: retire in peace.

1433
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: Even if we think of her chest move with regard

1434
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 2: to I, she was instrumental and getting Biden good right

1435
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 2: move obviously should have been done long before then, so

1436
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: there could actually be a Democratic primary process. But okay,

1437
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: you got Joe Biden out, but then she didn't have

1438
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: the stones or the savvy to make sure there would

1439
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 2: be some sort of a process so that it wouldn't

1440
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 2: be Kamala Harris and Joe Biden endorses Kamala and reportedly

1441
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 2: Pelosi and Obama both wanted to have some sort of

1442
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 2: an open process that result in a candidate other than

1443
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, but they.

1444
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 4: Didn't have the.

1445
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: Savvy, the stones, the boldness, the whatever was required in

1446
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: order to push for that open process so that there

1447
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: would be a better chance for Democrats to unite behind

1448
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 2: a stronger candidate than Kamala Harris. Because they were all

1449
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 2: well aware of what her weaknesses were. And so even

1450
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: in this that you consider to be like your your

1451
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 2: core mission here to defeat Donald Trump, and I think

1452
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 2: she did take that very seriously, she's unable to actually

1453
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 2: fully execute and complete that job. The other thing to

1454
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 2: note about Nancy Pelissi right now is aoc is has

1455
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 2: been working and apparently pretty successfully, working behind the scenes

1456
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 2: to become ranking member on the House Oversight Committee, which

1457
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 2: is quite significant. Whatever you think of AOC, she has

1458
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 2: done a good job in past questioning of officials and

1459
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 2: holding them to account, and obviously as young and one

1460
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 2: of the younger faces of the party, et cetera, et cetera,

1461
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 2: AOC has also done so much to suck up to

1462
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 2: the establishment wing of the party and make herself acceptable

1463
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 2: to them, et cetera, et cetera. But I guess Nancy

1464
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 2: BLOWSI has never forgiven the fact that AOC protested outside

1465
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: of her office when she was on her way into Congress,

1466
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: and so she apparently is working behind the scenes to

1467
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 2: thwart AOC's bid to be ranking member on the House

1468
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 2: Oversight Committee and put in Jerry Connelly. He's just like

1469
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: a you know, he's actually from northern Virginia here. He

1470
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 2: represents Fairfax County, very standard issue establishment friendly Democrat, and

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Speaker 2: so she's working to push his bid into AOC. So

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Speaker 2: it just shows you, even in her dottage, she is

1473
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 2: still one of the major power players in Washington, DC.

1474
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 2: And it's not just Democrats who suffer from this problem.

1475
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 2: Emily and Ryan did a great job last week reporting

1476
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 2: on Mitch McConnell's increasingly infirm condition. Emily exclusively was able

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01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 2: to get this picture of Mitch in a wheelchair being

1478
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 2: wheeled through Ronald Reagan National Airport, so suffer to fall?

1479
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 2: Was that just last week that that happened as well,

1480
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 2: And so you know, once again you have a very

1481
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 2: elderly individual who was trying to hold on to power.

1482
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: He apparently part of why he wants to stay in

1483
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,799
Speaker 2: his position. We can put this up on the screen

1484
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 2: is to make sure that aid continues to flow to Ukraine.

1485
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: Scott Horten may have more to say about that later

1486
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 2: in the show, but you know, this is a trend

1487
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: in American society. Ken Klippenstein had a good piece on

1488
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: his substack, which you all should subscribe to you if

1489
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 2: you're able with a chart showing how the average age

1490
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 2: of a member of members of Congress has been getting

1491
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 2: older and older and older. We can put that chart

1492
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 2: up on the screen. I think we have that for

1493
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 2: you as well. Look at that percentage of Congress over

1494
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 2: the age of seventy. Look at the way that skyrockets

1495
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 2: like that is insane and soccer. I always think you

1496
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 2: made the best point, which is that this really in

1497
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: a fundamental sense, reflects a failure of democracy. That's what

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01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,520
Speaker 2: allows these people to basically rig the system to circumvent

1499
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 2: any sort of real democratic process and just hold on

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01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 2: to power forever. And literally some of them literally die

1501
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 2: in office, like Diane Feinstein, and there was a I

1502
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 2: believe what was a Republican last year who also died

1503
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 2: while he was in office, some eighty some years old.

1504
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 4: Like that's insane, insane.

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01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 2: That they hold on to power until they are literally

1506
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 2: taking their last dying breath.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I also though it comes back to our

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01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: healthcare thing.

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01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 3: I've just increasingly resigned where it's true they resigned the system,

1510
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 3: rig the system and all that.

1511
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: But people just seem to excuse it.

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01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 3: I don't understand the chuck rat, Like he's like ninety

1513
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 3: two years old. McConnell got reelected, so did Pelosi.

1514
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: It's nuts. She's up every two years and they're like, yeah,

1515
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: we're cool with this. I don't get it.

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01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 3: I just don't understand why people continue to prop this

1517
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 3: thing up. And I mean, on their end, I do

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01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 3: with McConnell. I mean, it's literally a joke. He has

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Speaker 3: a new peace out this morning in foreign affairs, the

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Speaker 3: price American retreat, Why Washington must reject isolationism and embrace primacy.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, how's that im primacy going in Iraq,

1522
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 3: bro and in Syria. So I'm sure it worked out

1523
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 3: really well, but this is it also shows to the

1524
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 3: things that they hang on and that they cling to,

1525
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 3: and what four are so just ridiculous. They're not hanging

1526
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 3: on to the bitter end just to make sure that

1527
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 3: Kentucky is great again or is revitalized. They're doing it

1528
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 3: so the city of Kiev can be revitalized. So look,

1529
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: sometimes a talking point, but it is genuinely true. They

1530
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 3: do actually care more about Ukraine, about NATO and all

1531
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 3: these other places than they do about you.

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Speaker 1: And those are the people that continue to elect it.

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01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: So I just don't know what to do about it.

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Speaker 4: Just a last thought on that point.

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Speaker 2: So in Kentucky in particular, Mitch McConnell is not liked,

1536
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 2: like they hit very unpopular, yes, and so you do ask, well, okay,

1537
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: well why does he continue to get re elected? And

1538
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 2: I mean it is a sort of anti democratic process

1539
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 2: where Kentucky's a red state now, so they don't want

1540
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 2: to vote for a Democrat. So when he gets into

1541
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 2: a general election contest versus also, Democrats put up terrible

1542
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 2: canons like Amy McGrath but whatever, he's very likely to

1543
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: get elected, but he has that Republican Party on Lucke

1544
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 2: in the state, so that he is not really challenged

1545
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 2: in a Republican primary. So it is a circumventing of democracy.

1546
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 2: And then in the case of Nancy Pelosi in San Francisco,

1547
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 2: you know, first of all, all the money in the world, right,

1548
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 2: wealthy woman herself and probably the most prolific fund raiser

1549
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party. I'm sure Mitch McConnell's no slouch

1550
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 2: in the Republican Party in terms of raising funds as well.

1551
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: But then in addition, she refused to do any sort

1552
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:41,839
Speaker 2: of democratic debate visa her challengers in the Democratic primary,

1553
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 2: where again it's a situation where it's a blue, very

1554
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 2: blue area. You're not going to have a Republican succeed

1555
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 2: in that district. So the whole game is in the

1556
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 2: Democratic primary, and so again it's really there's a real

1557
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: failure of a democratic process there.

1558
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 4: I mean, you saw the same thing with.

1559
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 2: Diane Feinstein where she's able to hold on and so

1560
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: you know, literally like didn't even literally didn't even know

1561
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 2: where she was. Also, because they've locked having any sort

1562
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: of a democratic debate and the powers that be lined

1563
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 2: up behind her and you know, short circuited the progressive

1564
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 2: challenger who was you know, making the case that we

1565
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: should go in a different direction. And so a lot

1566
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 2: of these things do come down to basic failures of

1567
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: democracy and show that erosion of real ability to you know,

1568
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 2: effectuate change and have any kind of real choice within

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01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 2: this current locked in system.