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Speaker 2: Wow, Hey everybody, It's Tuesday, July twenty fifth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We are choosing

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Speaker 2: to accept this mission.

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Speaker 1: It's me and your man, NAMG Marcus Grant, joined by

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Speaker 1: Michael f Florida. We're in studio.

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Speaker 2: We got specialists, we got Susie, we got Josh, you

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Speaker 2: got even hyphen.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's a big day.

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Speaker 2: Hithan Klone sitting in to watch us, you know, fumble

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Speaker 2: all over ourselves for the next forty five minutes to

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Speaker 2: an hour or so. Also, happy early birthday to you, sir,

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Speaker 2: Thank you. But it's the it's the Marcus Allen birthday

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Speaker 2: coming up right.

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Speaker 3: At thirty two. Thirty two, Yeah, yeah, it's it gets

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Speaker 3: less significant. I'm feeling like I'm like, ah, this is

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Speaker 3: the first birthday to watch. Like I'm like, I'm not

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Speaker 3: really all that excited for it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just at that point, yeah, it's like

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a weird number. No one really celebrates

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Speaker 2: thirty two. Yeah point, Like, you know, you get to

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Speaker 2: thirty five and then you know the big one is forty.

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Speaker 3: But I know I understand what people have always told me,

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Speaker 3: like you get excited for your birthday when you're younger.

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Speaker 3: This is the first one where I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 1: To keep happening.

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Speaker 2: I you know, I'm at a point where I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't really run for my birthday, but generally all

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Speaker 2: I want to do is like, you know, have a

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Speaker 2: drink with my friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be low key, it don't have to

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Speaker 1: be a big deal. That's all I really want. That's it.

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Speaker 1: So but anyway, happy early birthday, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: We got stuff to talk about because training camps are opening,

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Speaker 2: so we are going to talk about some stories that

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Speaker 2: we are keeping an eye on in training camp. Also

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Speaker 2: play a little round of Hype Train or smoke Screen,

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Speaker 2: because the hype trains are leaving the station right now,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to decide which ones we might want

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Speaker 2: to get on or which ones we're gonna sort of

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Speaker 2: let go by, and another round of Florio's film Festival,

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Speaker 2: going all the way back to nineteen ninety six when

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Speaker 2: Tom Cruise first put on the mantle Ethan Hunt and

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Speaker 2: accepted a mission impossible. But let's start with some news,

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Speaker 2: because there have been some big goings on. In fact,

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Speaker 2: some news that happened.

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Speaker 1: You know. I rolled over this morning.

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Speaker 2: It was about you know, five thirty five forty five,

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Speaker 2: and as I tend to do, I have the terrible

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Speaker 2: on social media, saw a lot of chatter right away

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Speaker 2: that sa Quon Barkley had agreed to a deal. I

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Speaker 2: reading that right, because it just seemed like only a

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Speaker 2: few days ago he was, you know, tweeting it is

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Speaker 2: what it is, and it sounded like he was going

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Speaker 2: to leave camp and wasn't going to be seen anytime soon. Instead,

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Speaker 2: he signs a deal that is I mean, from what

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Speaker 2: I read it, Mike, it's essentially what he was offered

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Speaker 2: in the first place. It's the ten point nine million

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Speaker 2: dollar deal that the Giants had originally put forward via

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Speaker 2: the franchise tag, except this time there are some incentives.

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Speaker 2: He gets a two million dollars signing bonus and the

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Speaker 2: potential for another million dollars in incentives. Although the things

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Speaker 2: that he has to do to get there seem really

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Speaker 2: really hard to reach. It's like thirteen hundred rushing yards

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Speaker 2: and the Giants making the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I think five catches, sixty.

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Speaker 2: Five catches, eleven total touchdowns. These are things that he's

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we can go on and on about what

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Speaker 2: this means for the running back market. I mean, Josh Jacobs,

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Speaker 2: little bit salty right now that Saquon broke ranks so easily,

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Speaker 2: that's another conversation. This is a fantasy football podcast. Now

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Speaker 2: that we know that Saquon is going to be there

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Speaker 3: I have seen him go more second round than anything,

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Speaker 3: and that this is so I have to every week

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Speaker 3: one of the biggest movers I would have met, well

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Speaker 1: My fear.

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Speaker 3: Is that and it's a lot and look, I don't

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Speaker 3: like that, but I think there's maybe less motivation to

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Speaker 3: And that was my stance the last two years with

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Speaker 3: I was like, if you want this guy to risk

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Speaker 3: play through an injury when you know I'm taking care

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Speaker 3: of already and Saquon is not. So I always joke

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Speaker 3: around and call it pulling an AJ Green. I still

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Speaker 3: have those concerns for Saquon Barkley. I think a lot

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Speaker 3: is is it enough for me to put him ahead of,

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Speaker 1: That just yet.

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Speaker 2: I definitely wouldn't put him ahead of any of those

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Speaker 2: have a little more certainty about where he's going to be.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think you're alone.

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Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of that talk that hey, maybe

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Speaker 2: he doesn't push himself through a soft tissue injury, if

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Speaker 2: he's got a hamstring or something like that that's nagging, maybe.

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Speaker 1: He takes a little bit longer with it.

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Speaker 2: Because also part of this deal is they can franchise

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Speaker 2: very good chance it's twelve months from now we could

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Speaker 2: be having a similar conversation about Saquon Barkley. So I

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Speaker 2: think though in terms of fantasy, he goes back to

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Speaker 2: that offense go. Like I know, look, I know, Daniel

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Speaker 2: the threat of Saquon or Saquon's production that's sort of

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Speaker 2: made everything else viable there. You know, they're running a

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Speaker 2: the passing game doesn't really excite you a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be about Saquon this year.

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest winner of this and it's you

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Speaker 3: normally don't say this for a running back, but I

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Speaker 3: think it's Daniel Jones. Look, not only does he get

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Speaker 3: ten times out of ten, which creates these running lanes.

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Speaker 1: For Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 2: And you're not feeling the same way if it's Matt Brida, No, you're.

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Speaker 3: Taking the chances of tackling Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 2: It's Matt Brida. If it's Gary Bright, well, they just

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Speaker 2: signed James Robinson. Like, none of those guys strike fear

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Speaker 2: you're right this this helps Daniel Jones a ton, especially

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Speaker 2: they ask him to do that. I mentioned Josh Jacobs

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Speaker 2: now after Saquon has signed, if that changes Jacob's motivation

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Speaker 2: at all. You know, I don't know if there's anything

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Speaker 3: He is falling in drafts, fun like I've seen him

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Speaker 3: going like the fourth round, and that's a I will

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Speaker 3: But if he falls two rounds, I'll i will take

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Speaker 2: Day, especially because at least for now, I don't think

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Speaker 2: So I think fourth round pick I probably I have him.

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Speaker 2: Risk is worth it.

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Speaker 1: RB eight.

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Speaker 3: Right now behind him is Dereck Henry. I think I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna flip those two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I flipped that right for the moment.

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Speaker 3: Then it's like Rimandre Stevenson, Jamior Gabbs, Bresee Hall, Joe Mixon.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I can push any of those

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Speaker 1: Not yet, not yet.

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Speaker 2: But you know again, if we get to, you know,

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Speaker 2: a couple weeks in the preseason, and he's nott there,

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Speaker 2: then I think we have that conversation again. All right,

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Speaker 2: get your emotions in check, Florio here. Cadarius Tony left

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Speaker 2: practice a couple of days ago with what was being

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Speaker 2: called a tweak. He suffered it I think during punt returns.

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Speaker 2: I believe it was punter kick returns. He suffered it

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Speaker 2: into practice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The as soon as the news came out, there was

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Speaker 2: a lot of well, here we go again, Ka, there Tony.

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Speaker 2: He even went on on social media and said, you know,

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Speaker 2: back soon. Travis Kelcey seemed a little less optimistic about it,

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Speaker 2: saying we hope he's back for the start of the season.

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Speaker 2: Now there's reports that he's going to have knee surgery,

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Speaker 2: and week one at least could be in doubt. I

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Speaker 2: personally have always seen Tony a sort of a later

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Speaker 2: round risk reward guy, Like, you know what the upside is,

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Speaker 2: he's for me, you know, one of the better and

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Speaker 2: best ball guys. But I'm gonna come to you as

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Speaker 2: our resident Kadarius Tony stan and ask how you're feeling

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Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 3: Not great, But.

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Speaker 1: I like to be an optimistic person, and I think

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Speaker 3: Could be a good thing in the sense of you

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Speaker 3: were you were having to use like a seventh round

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Speaker 3: pick to get Kadarius Tony, sometimes even a little bit higher. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think that's that's really all it is. That's all

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Speaker 2: Like, no one doubts his talent, it's just can he

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Speaker 2: Write him off right right now, Kadarius Tony is one

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Speaker 2: whatever you want to see in Cadarius Tony, you will

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Speaker 2: So I still can't believe that I wouldn't take him

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Speaker 3: I straight up wrote to the people saying that I

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Speaker 1: But that's bad policy right there.

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Speaker 3: Which is there any chiefs receivers now that you will

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Speaker 1: No, here's the other part of this.

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Speaker 2: The other part of what's happened here is with you

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Speaker 1: Them, because this is what we did last year.

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Speaker 2: We were trying to figure out who's the guy after

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Speaker 2: And I remember Patrick Mahomes came out last year at

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened. It was Travis Kelce and

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Speaker 2: don't know that it changes. And the fact that, honestly,

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Speaker 2: let's pivot to Sky Moore or Rashi Rice if that's

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Speaker 1: Those guys were never viable in the first place.

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Speaker 2: So while everybody's trying to stake their claim too a

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Speaker 1: Back here and I'm like the answer is probably nobody.

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Speaker 2: There's gonna be some guys that there will be the

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Speaker 2: Rashi Rice week, right, and the Rashi Rice high will

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Speaker 2: start buzzing. Then there'll be a couple of sky More weeks,

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Speaker 1: Like I told you.

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Speaker 2: That's my dude, right, and it's gonna be like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: three weeks out of eighteen, you got sky Moore, three

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Speaker 1: I just think it's gonna be frustrating for everybody, which

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Speaker 3: If I'm taking a shot on anyone, it's the player

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Speaker 3: with the mills upside, which I believe is Kadarius Tony,

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Speaker 3: and I will continue to draft him. But if you

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Speaker 3: I'm okay doing that. Sky Moore had two hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty yards. Like, why is there so much hype around

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Speaker 3: a player Kadarius Tony almost had more yards as a

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Speaker 3: rookie in one game that he got ejected from than

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Speaker 3: And Richie James is getting hype. He's twenty eight years

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Speaker 3: with dice with any of them, it'll be Rashie Rice

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Speaker 3: I don't want someone who would give me ten points

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Speaker 1: You know what's funny is that nobody is saying MVS.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, for all the guys on this roster, nobody

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Speaker 2: is like, MVS is gonna be that dude, You're not

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Speaker 1: Nobody believes That's gotta be a little bit sad.

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Speaker 2: Last bit of news staying in the AFC West, Javonte

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Speaker 2: Williams will reportedly avoid the Active Slash pupplist to begin

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Speaker 2: training camp. That was originally reported by James Palmer. I know,

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Speaker 2: for you, one of your concerns was just about the

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Speaker 2: start of the season. This seems to be a positive

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Speaker 2: development for him. Does this change at all how you

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Speaker 3: This is a positive for sure, but it is one

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Speaker 3: small positive. I need to see more, like, I need

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Speaker 3: handle to me. I think there's a lot of boxes

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Speaker 3: that we won't have checked until the season starts. So

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Speaker 3: my approach with Javonte as of now continues to probably

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Speaker 3: be let other people draft him and then be back

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Speaker 3: in on him next year when he's it. But like,

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Speaker 3: I don't understand why he is going six rounds or

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Speaker 3: five rounds whatever it is later than Brece Hall, who

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Speaker 3: pup list. Yeah, like I think Brice Hall needs to

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Speaker 3: start falling in drafts as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do find that there is a big love

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Speaker 2: affair with Breeze Hall. And look, I get it from

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Speaker 2: what we saw of him last year looked amazing. I

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Speaker 2: think in general there's I think a love affair with

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Speaker 2: the Jets offense. Although really, when you saw the thing

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Speaker 2: about it after Brecee Hall and Garrett Wilson and I

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Speaker 2: guess Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Who are we really drafting in New York?

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Speaker 3: It's just those three, you know, maybe sleeper Tyler Conklin.

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Speaker 1: I guess I can't really get back off board.

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Speaker 2: And I do wonder, you know, when when hard knocks airs,

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Speaker 2: if we find another guy who gets.

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Speaker 1: Like a hard knocks bump or something like that.

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Speaker 2: But no, I think you're right, Like, why is it

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Speaker 2: that that Breese Hall isn't really falling where Javonte Williams

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Speaker 1: I don't what do you think to a hard knocks bomb?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I go last year.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we got anybody that that really got

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Speaker 3: Should have been Jamal Williams after that speech speech.

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Speaker 1: Right, you would think so, but yeah, that didn't really happen.

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Speaker 2: Watch it'll be somebody like uh, you Knownicole Hardman, right,

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Speaker 2: like the me Cole Hardman hive has been looking for

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Speaker 2: a reason to get excited.

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Speaker 3: Random guess here Israelbana Kona.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's a great guess.

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Speaker 3: Actually, if Brice Hall is is not there right away,

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Speaker 3: I could see him him.

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Speaker 2: That is a great guess. He's a rookie running back.

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Speaker 2: He had a little bit of buzz during draft season.

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Speaker 2: They like to feature rookies trying to like you know,

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Speaker 2: try to break their way in. If Breesce Hall is

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Speaker 2: not healthy, I think I think you're right. Bana Konda

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Speaker 3: A gonna be Alan Lazard.

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Speaker 2: He's the most definitely Alixard will do Alizard will do

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Speaker 2: a million amazing things on on hard knocks.

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Speaker 3: I'll be like ms all, he's the same class as

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Speaker 2: Yes, I pretty looks the same guy, just on different teams. Now, well,

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Speaker 2: speaking of hard knocks, that gets us to training camp.

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Speaker 2: And it's always interesting this time of year to kind

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Speaker 2: of figure out which stories we should be paying attention to.

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Speaker 2: So Floria and I each picked three stories we are

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Speaker 2: paying attention to. So for you, it's the first one

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Speaker 2: you're watching a training camp. This one touches near and

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Speaker 2: dear to your hearts. Who is going to be starting

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Speaker 2: enough to start right away? And if not, or even

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Speaker 2: if he has any limitations? Can Sam Donalds work his.

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Speaker 3: Like I I know, I've been the guy saying Trey

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Speaker 3: Lance hasn't got a fair chance, and I think his

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Speaker 3: for fun, I would love to see Sam Donalds go

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Speaker 3: the came like Zach Wilson maybe could perform well in

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Speaker 3: this offense here, So I am, but I think whoever

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Speaker 2: I look, I'm still holding on to the fact that

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Speaker 2: I think brock Purty's gonna be ready.

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Speaker 2: I have been amused that it feels like people are

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Speaker 2: for a long time, Trey Lance was going ahead of

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Speaker 1: I just can't. I still believe this is brock Perty's job.

439
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Speaker 3: How as a USC needs forty nine ers fan, how

440
00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,160
Speaker 3: amazing would.

441
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,480
Speaker 1: It be that I'd be on top of the world

442
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 1: if that happened.

443
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,000
Speaker 2: If if Kyle Shanahan somehow you know, dug in and

444
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,400
Speaker 2: got the best out of Sam Donald and and he

445
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 2: helped lead U, you know, the forty nine ers deep

446
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,520
Speaker 2: into the playoffs and to the super Bowl, that would

447
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 2: be amazing he'd be back in red and gold again.

448
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,200
Speaker 2: It'd be like he was playing at the coliseum on Saturdays.

449
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 2: But no, I'm not expecting that.

450
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Speaker 1: It's just not Ju.

451
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Speaker 2: While we're at it right at Juju back, It'll be

452
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,120
Speaker 2: like it'll be all, you know, get all the USC

453
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,240
Speaker 2: guys back. He'd be a he's get Ronald Jones, just

454
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 2: thing he's not doing it. I was like, whatever can

455
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,320
Speaker 2: all happened? No, that's that's not going to happen for me.

456
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 2: Speaking of quarterbacks, who's gonna be the Colts starting quarterback?

457
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about it, I think a couple

458
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, Jim Ursay sort of talking about how

459
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 2: he wants to see Anthony Richardson get the job, how

460
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 2: he expects Gardner Minshew to sort of be ahead of

461
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,400
Speaker 2: him in training camp, but he would like to see

462
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:30,200
Speaker 2: Richardson play. I did see a social media account basically

463
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 2: put the idea out that there may not that we

464
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 2: may not see Richardson until week ten or later. But

465
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 2: it was it was it was unsourced. It was getting

466
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 2: a lot of traction, but it was completely unsourced. Don't

467
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,199
Speaker 2: know where it came from. That one was hard for

468
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 2: me to buy just because there didn't seem to be

469
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 2: any other reporting, uh backing that up anywhere coming out

470
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 2: of Indianapolis. I still think it's gonna be Richardson sooner

471
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 2: than later. And look, maybe it is Gardner Minshew for

472
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 2: the first couple of weeks. We've talked about this before.

473
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 2: There's nothing that rich and can learn from Gardner Minshew.

474
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 2: Maybe he starts early, but I think before long it's

475
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 2: gonna be Richardson. I just I just want the Colts

476
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 2: to let us know that's all.

477
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, completely, And I think Jim Rsay kind of let

478
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 3: us know who he wants to be the starter. And

479
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 3: I think, look, I'm not saying there's any actual truth

480
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 3: behind that Week ten thing. The only thing that makes

481
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 3: sense to me is like they don't have the Colts

482
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 3: don't have the toughest schedule to open the season. But

483
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 3: to me, that's even more reason to get Garner Minshew

484
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 3: out and get Anthony Richardson in, because you want your

485
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback playing the not so tough defenses and kind

486
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 3: of easing his way in. Maybe they give Gardner Minshew

487
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 3: the Week one start as a veteran. It's a revenge

488
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: game against the Jaguars. That could be fun narrative. But

489
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 3: come Week two against the Texans CJ. Stroud, you know

490
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 3: the rookie like, I feel like that is the if

491
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,199
Speaker 3: it's not already Week one, like that is a natural

492
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 3: point to start. Anthony Richardson, who is your franchise. The

493
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 3: Colts have shown us before then when they draft a

494
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback, they will start them start him.

495
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,239
Speaker 2: I mean, they did it with Peyton Many, they did

496
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: it with Andrew Luck. They are not hesitant to put

497
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 2: that guy under center right away. Uh for you, what's

498
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 2: the next one you got there? Just how big of

499
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 2: a role do the Lions have for Jamier Gibbs. And

500
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: this might sound crazy, I have Jamier Gibbs as my

501
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: RB twelve right now, and I'm gonna be bumping him

502
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna be moving him ahead of Breese Hall,

503
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 2: who I had originally as a RB one if he

504
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 2: was healthy. But I'm souringing on him. I think Jamier

505
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 2: Gibbs I more explosive. Alvin Kamara is in the range

506
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 2: of possibilities.

507
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 3: I think he in front of the show, Emery Hunt

508
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 3: had him as his RB one because he said he's

509
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 3: the most explosive running back. I think that he I

510
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 3: don't want to put words in his mouth, but I

511
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 3: believe he said that he has scouted so I mean

512
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 3: speed and explosiveness for days, a great pass catcher. I

513
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 3: just I truly want to know if they are going

514
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 3: to have as big of a role for him as

515
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 3: as myself and many others are projecting.

516
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's kind of the question.

517
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 2: I did see something yesterday that both he and David

518
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: Montgomery are catching passes at practice, are both being involved

519
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 2: in the passing game, which not really a surprise. We

520
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: saw Montgomery do that in Chicago for years, and we

521
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 2: know that's a big part of Gibbs's game. But it

522
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 2: is gonna be a question of how they sort of

523
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: split the division of labor. Is it going to be

524
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 2: similar to what we saw with DeAndre Swift and Jamal Williams.

525
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: You know, is one going to.

526
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 2: Be more of the you know, third down, two minute

527
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: offense guys. One gonna be between the tackles. That's sort

528
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: of unknown, and you know, hopefully we get some clarity

529
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: and training camp or the preseason, although we get no

530
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: clarity of anything in preseason now because none of these

531
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 2: guys play enough for us to learn anything.

532
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 3: And it's the annoying time of year where every like

533
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 3: little play or little tidbit gets blown up into like

534
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: because we're all so thirsty for content and stuff that

535
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 3: it just gets blown up into stuff that doesn't matter.

536
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's it's maybe the old uh

537
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 2: Eddie Murphy joke about how you give a starving man

538
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: assault team, he'll just think it's the greatest thing ever.

539
00:23:54,400 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: You know, yeah it is. Is this a ritz? That

540
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: was a terrible Eddie Murphy impression? Anyway, it sounded more

541
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: like Dave Chappelle.

542
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: Actually, you know whatever. Anyway, don't come for me, please

543
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: for me the next one. So the way I've been

544
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: phrasing it all off season is will Russ cook? Or

545
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: is Russ cooked? But to me, I think the bigger

546
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 2: question is just what is this Broncos offense going to

547
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: look like this year with Sean Payton? I mean, Russ

548
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 2: is the focal point of it because he was so

549
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: bad last year, But how one, what is Sean Payton

550
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: going to expect of Russell Wilson? What does this mean

551
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: for the likes of you know, Jerry, Judy Cortland, Sutton,

552
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: a healthy Tim Patrick. We've talked about Javonte Williams, Samaj

553
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 2: p Ryan is there. This to me is maybe the

554
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 2: one offense Mike that I look at and I have

555
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 2: zero idea of what it's going to be. And for

556
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 2: that reason, I have mostly shied away from drafting a

557
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 2: lot of Broncos just because maybe it's great and maybe

558
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 2: I miss out on some things.

559
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: I just I can't. I can't crack the code on

560
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: this one.

561
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. It it's a tough because it could be just

562
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 3: as bad as it was last year, like if Russell

563
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: Wilson has done no offense to like. But I tend

564
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 3: to be a little bit more optimistic because Sean Payton

565
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 3: did get the most out of a Drew brees Let

566
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 3: offense when Breeze was clearly losing arm strength and stuff

567
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: like that. The Broncos are one of these offenses where

568
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 3: I don't have anyone ranked like very high. I think

569
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 3: Jerry Judy is the highest I have, and he's like

570
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 3: wide receiver twenty three or twenty four for me, which

571
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 3: is about where he's going and draft like Courtland Sutton

572
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 3: is not going as a top forty wide receiver. I

573
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: don't have him ranked as a top forty wide receiver.

574
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 3: But he is one of those things where I'm like,

575
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 3: it's cost so little to get him, maybe I should

576
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 3: start taking a couple of cheap shots on him. But yeah,

577
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 3: I really, outside of Greg Dolcik because he's a late

578
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: round tight end, I don't really have many Broncos.

579
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

580
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: I just I just don't know, Like I really, it

581
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 2: could be great and I will miss out on it.

582
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: I just I just don't know what it's great though

583
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 3: for this offense.

584
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: I mean I think it's it's Russ what getting you

585
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: four thousand passing yards. I think it's you know, whoever

586
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: the lead run if you know Javonte Williams. Think Javonte Williams.

587
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: If he gets you nine hundred rushing yards this year,

588
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: I think that's a really good year for him.

589
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but I think it's it shows how far

590
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: we've fallen with Russell Wilson. Where a year ago we

591
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: were like great, was top five.

592
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 2: Offense in football? Yeah, no, I think we were. Think

593
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: that's where we were. Also, this team could very well

594
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: finish last in its division. I mean they could be

595
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: better than they were last year and still finish last.

596
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: In the AFC West. I mean, the Chiefs are clearly

597
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: the best team there. The Chargers are going to be

598
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 2: very competitive this year. The Raiders, who knows, you know,

599
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: you can flip a coin and go either way with

600
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: the Raiders. The Broncos could be better than last year

601
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: and still be the fourth team.

602
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: In the AFC West. Really could be Speaking of the

603
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: AFC West, that's that's your next one there. Huh.

604
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 3: Maybe I jumped the gunner earlier when asking you which

605
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 3: Chiefs receiver you will put my a big thing. I

606
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: think you have to monitors which Chiefs receiver steps up,

607
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 3: because if Kadarius Tony is going to miss time, some

608
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: receiver is gonna have to step up. And I agree

609
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 3: with you that it could just be a complete mismosh

610
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: and no one could step up. But it's still an

611
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 3: offense that is going to be one of the very

612
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: best in football, with the best quarterback and the best

613
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 3: play caller. It's not a situation that I'm fully willing

614
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: to ignore. If we go into Week one and it's like, hey,

615
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: none of these guys really stepped up and we don't

616
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 3: know who's going to be the number one, that's different.

617
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 3: But like I have been seeing a lot of Rashid

618
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 3: Rice highlights and stuff. And again I just said that

619
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: people over make too much of these little clips that

620
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: we get in stuff. But if like in preseason, he's

621
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: looking really good and the other and sky Moore's just

622
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 3: looking like, you know, an average receiver or something like that,

623
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: then I think it is definitely something to take note of.

624
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 2: I think it is, but I'm looking back at last year, right,

625
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey over thirteen hundred receiving yards, one hundred and

626
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: ten catches. The next unlist was Juju Smith Schuster seventy

627
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: eight catches, nine hundred and thirty three yards. After that,

628
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 2: I mean Marcus Valdez Scantling just under seven hundred yards,

629
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: Justin Watson three point fifteen, Mikole Hardman under three hundred,

630
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: sky Moore at two point fifty.

631
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: It's just there.

632
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: There was nobody there last year that you felt like

633
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 2: was ready to step up and grab the reins. Maybe

634
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: something has happened in the offseason, maybe sky Moore does

635
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: take that step forward, But there are no immediate target

636
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: earners that I see on that roster, and so that's

637
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 2: why I just think, you know, they will spread it

638
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: around again, which in terms of real football is great

639
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: because that makes them incredibly hard to defend. We don't

640
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: like that. We want clarity. We want to know where

641
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: the targets are going. And after Travis Kelce, I just

642
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: don't think there's a clear answer there. Uh my last

643
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: one here? Who is Jordan Love? I don't mean like physically,

644
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: like we obviously know who he is, We've seen him.

645
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: He's an actual tangible person with you know, presumably feeling

646
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: what is interesting right exactly? You know, you know, how

647
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: how does he do it wordle every morning?

648
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: That's what I want to know.

649
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: I just want to, like, in terms of what he

650
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: brings to the field, right, what he can be this year.

651
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone realistically is expecting him to be

652
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers right, Like that's that's an unfair expectation to

653
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: put on him. I also don't think he's a guy

654
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: that we're drafting a lot in fantasy. But can he

655
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: feed all the other guys that we are drafting. Can

656
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: he keep Christian Watson viable? Can he make you know,

657
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: can he get Romeo Dobbs productive? Can Jaden Reid step

658
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: in and be a thing? What does he mean for

659
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: guys like Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon because Aaron Rodgers

660
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: really was able to feed everything and keep this offense running.

661
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: Can Jordan Love do that? And you know, I think

662
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: the thing I've I've come to believe is Jordan Love

663
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be great, he just has to not

664
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: be terrible. And I know that the pack have been

665
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: very high on him. They've said a lot of really

666
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: nice things about him. But you know, I guess I

667
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: just need to see it with my own eyes. I've

668
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: drafted Watson a few times. I've drafted Aaron Jones, even

669
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: AJ Dillon a couple of times, but I sort of

670
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: need to see something from Jordan Love before I have

671
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: any increased confidence in him right now.

672
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And because of that, as much as I like

673
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: Christian Watson the talent, and at the end of last season,

674
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: I was telling people to trade for him and keep

675
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: her in dynasty leagues and that he's gonna be a

676
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: top twenty wide receiver with top ten upside, that was

677
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 3: all when I thought Aaron Rodgers would be the quarterback.

678
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: So with Jordan Love, Christian Watson is still going as

679
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 3: close to a top twenty wide receiver in drafts I've

680
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: found myself. I'll take the occasional shot on him, but

681
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: he is not someone that I am like going into

682
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 3: drafts like I want to come away with Christian Watson,

683
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: Romeo Dubbs, everyone else could have him. I'm gonna take

684
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: the shots on Jayden Reed. That's been the receiver I've

685
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: been going after. I also haven't really I did a

686
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: whole lot of Jordan Love because I feel like, even

687
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: if things were to go right for him, we're probably

688
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: talking about him being a QB two.

689
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

690
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: No, I'm not really drafting Jordan Love. I just know

691
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: more curious about the pieces around him. I do laugh

692
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: because remember, like started last year, those first couple of

693
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: weeks were like Romeo Dobbs was like a thing.

694
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: Or like hey man, this is this dude might really

695
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: be something.

696
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: And then he just faded into as as Mike Tyson

697
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: would say, he faded into Bolivian.

698
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: And we never really heard much from him the rest

699
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: of the year.

700
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: All right, take a quick break, we'll come back. We'll

701
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: do some hype trainer smoke screen. Then we're gonna rip

702
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: off the mask, talk a little bit of Mission Impossible.

703
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: That's coming up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast,

704
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: A little bit of high Train or smoke screen as

705
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: training camps open, because this is when we start to

706
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: get all super excited about these sorts of things. So

707
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: I got a handful of things here and we can

708
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: kind of kick him around just a little bit. First one,

709
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: we talked about Saquon bar and him signing a deal,

710
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: and Josh Jacobs and the rest.

711
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: But there's some big name free agents still there.

712
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: So between Dalvin Cook, Ezekiel Elliott, and Leonard Fournette, more

713
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: than one of those guys, so at least two, maybe

714
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: all three will still be free agents when Week one

715
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: comes around.

716
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: Hype Trainer, smoke screen.

717
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: Maybe this is just me wishing it to fruition. I'm

718
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: gonna say smoke screen. If you would have said one

719
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: of them, I would have said Hype Trained. Because I

720
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: find it tough that all three will find a home

721
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: in the next month. I could see at least one

722
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: of them holding out for potential injury or something like that.

723
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: But I mean, we've seen for Net already get a workout.

724
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: I Dalvin Cook is still asking for a lot of

725
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: money and maybe there's a suspension there, who knows, But

726
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: he is still a player that I would say is

727
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: coveted by teams around the league right now. I keep

728
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: saying the draft these guys, especially Zeke and Fournette, because

729
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: they're going like rounds thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, and I'm like,

730
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: if they sign anywhere, they're ADP is going to go up.

731
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 3: But there's no clear cut spot. I would say maybe

732
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: the Raiders if Josh Jacobs does hold out or more so,

733
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: I think it might take a camp injury to see

734
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: these guys sign.

735
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna say smokes Freeen on this too.

736
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: I think a couple of these guys, there may be

737
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: one that sort of hangs around out there. But I

738
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: just can't imagine that all three of these guys are

739
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: going to be free agents in Week one. I mean,

740
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: I know there's still plenty of chatter that Zeke might

741
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: end up back in Dallas, which I know people who

742
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: drafted Tony Pollard are praying does not happen.

743
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: You know, Dalvin Cook is too good to still be

744
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: out there. You mentioned Leonard Fournette getting workouts. He's probably

745
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: going to be the least expensive of the three, which

746
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: probably gives him an advantage in terms of getting signed.

747
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: But I can't imagine.

748
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: Like I said, I think at worst one of these

749
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: guys is gonna be a free agent next one the Bears.

750
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: And if people bring this up, and every time it

751
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: comes up, it shocks me again as though I heard

752
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: it for the first time. The Bears in their history

753
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: have never had a four thousand yard passer. Justin Field

754
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: is going to be the first this year.

755
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 3: As much as I wish I could say hype train,

756
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: I'm going to say smoke screen. I'm not saying he

757
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: can't do it. I'm not willing to bet on it though,

758
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 3: because in the history of the NFL, do you think

759
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: Justin Fields will He ran for over one thousand yards

760
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: last year? Do you think he will run for at

761
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 3: least seven hundred this season?

762
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: I do.

763
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: In the history of the NFL, there's been two quarterbacks

764
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: to rush for seven hundred yards and throw for over

765
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 3: four thousand yards, Cam Newton his rookie year and Josh

766
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 3: Allen the last two no offense to Justin Fields, I

767
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: don't think he's on that level yet as a passer.

768
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: Cam Newton never threw for four thousand yards again in

769
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: his career after that year. So and and also Justin

770
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: Fields of these quarterbacks that I pulled up with at

771
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: least seven hundred rushing yards, has the second fewest passing

772
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: yards ever in a season amongst this group, So he

773
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: would have to go from twenty He would have to

774
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: basically double.

775
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: His passing yard production last.

776
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: Year to get there. I think he can be in

777
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 3: the three thousands, maybe even like thirty five hundred, but

778
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: four thousand is I think you're asking for a lot

779
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: when you're also expecting him to run as much as

780
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 3: he does one hundred percent.

781
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: Now, I think this is a smoke screen too.

782
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: I know he's, you know, been hyping himself up, and

783
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: good for him, right, Like, if you don't believe in yourself,

784
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: who will. But to go from twenty two hundred yards

785
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: last year to four thousand yards, that is a super leap.

786
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: And even you know, we talk about the leap that

787
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts made last year as a passer and how

788
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: that improved his fantasy standing so much. Jalen Hurts only

789
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: had thirty seven hundred yards, right he would and even

790
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: then that's thirty seven coming from thirty one. Right his

791
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: rookie year, he was not a full time starter. He

792
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: got over a thousand passing yards. The second year he

793
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: became the full time starter, got you thirty one hundred yards.

794
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: Last year he took a step forward, went to thirty

795
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: seven hundred. That is more of I think the natural

796
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: progression you expect out of quarterbacks. Justin Field's going from

797
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: twenty two hundred to four thousand. You know, that's incredibly

798
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 2: incredibly aspirational. There, maybe not so aspirational. Brandon Cooks will

799
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 2: yet again be a one thousand yard receiver.

800
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 3: Hype trainer, smokescer, hype train, and I look, he's done

801
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: it since take out his rookie year. Every year but

802
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: two he has gone for over a thousand yards each

803
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 3: of those two times the team traded him. So it's

804
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: a rough life where it's like, if you don't get

805
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 3: us one thousand yards.

806
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: You are living somewhere else. Now. It's really hard.

807
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: But I think I mean even last year, in a

808
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: down year where he was injured and we were getting

809
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: cryptic tweets and we were routinely joking like he doesn't

810
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 3: even want to be here playing for the Houston Texans,

811
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 3: he still put up seven hundreds. So with the better offense,

812
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: better quarterback, much better quarterback than what he had last year.

813
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: I think Brandon Cooks will get over a thousand. He's

814
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: been a top twenty four wide receiver every year of

815
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: his career but two and he's going outside the top

816
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: forty right now. It doesn't make sense to me.

817
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: Don't get it like he's so Whereas I think people

818
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: have sort of clued in too Tyler Lockett and that

819
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: ADP is going up, I think people are still slow

820
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: on Brandon Cook's right now, and I'm trying to take

821
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: advantage of it because I think this is easy. That

822
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: he goes back to being a thousand yard receiver. You

823
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: put him opposite Cede Lamb, and now that's another thing

824
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: people have to pay attention to. I would be shocked

825
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: if he does not get back to eight thousand yards

826
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: this year. I think this this feels really really easy.

827
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: This is when I went back a little bit because

828
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 2: we talked about this several months ago. But Calvin Ridley

829
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: wrote in the Player's Tribune kind of about his story,

830
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: kind of an open letter to football, and one of

831
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: the things that that all the fantasy folks took away,

832
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: aside from just the incredible struggle that he's gone through

833
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: in his life, but the thing that fantasy folks look

834
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: away is I'm gonna give the Jaguars fourteen hundred yards

835
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: every single year, So hype trainer smokes great. Calvin Ridley

836
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: will go for fourteen hundred receiving yards this year.

837
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 3: Fourteen hundred is such a big number. Yeah, but let's

838
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: have fun. I'm gonna say hype training, Okay, I'm all

839
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 3: in on Calvin Ridley this year. I think that Doug

840
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: Peterson's number one targets have always got a lot of volume,

841
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 3: and he's never had anywhere close to as talented and

842
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: as explosive receiver as Calvin Ridley. He could win downfield,

843
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 3: he can win in the red zone. So who's gonna

844
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: get you yards and points in chunks? I think that

845
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence looked better and better as last year. What

846
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: I would call is true rookie year went on in

847
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 3: Doug Peterson's system. Now even more comfortable in that system.

848
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 3: It's a past first offense. I am very excited for

849
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 3: the Jaguars. I think Trevor Lawrence is going to be

850
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: an MVP candidate this year, and I think it leads

851
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: to Calvin Ridley having a monster season.

852
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so you being like all hyped about it makes

853
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: me feel slightly better about being a wet blanket, Like

854
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: I want it to happen, but I'm gonna have to

855
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 2: realistically say smoke screen just because it is a big

856
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: number and there's a lot of people that they got

857
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: to get involved in that offense. I mean, just realistically,

858
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: like I'd love to see it happen, would love to,

859
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: but Christian Kirk is coming off a really good year,

860
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 2: Evan Ingram's coming off for really good years.

861
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: Say Jones is there?

862
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: You know there's still so many people that Trevor Lawrence

863
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: has to spread the football around too, that it would

864
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: be great. It just seems like asking a lot, So

865
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: uh yeah, I'm gonna be the I'm gonna be Debbie

866
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 2: Downer on this one and say smoke screen. But look,

867
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: if I am wrong, I'll be thrilled to be wrong

868
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: if he does, because I've drafted him in a few

869
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: spots and if I'm super wrong about that, I will

870
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: be absolutely over the moon that I was wrong and

871
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: he got fourteen hundred yards last one. I put this

872
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: one in here. I think for my own personal benefit.

873
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: Sam Laporta is gonna be a top fifteen fantasy tight end.

874
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: And for the record, when I first wrote this, I

875
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: said top twenty and that felt a little too easy

876
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: because like top twenty could be literally anybody, So I

877
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: bumped it up top fifteen fantasy finish for Sam Laporta

878
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: at tight end, I have.

879
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: Him just outside the top fifteen, but I'll go with

880
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 3: hype Train because there's always this unknown upside with rookies,

881
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: and he's been one of the big winners in camp.

882
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: If he was playing a different position, maybe not so much.

883
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: But at tight end, it doesn't take a high bar

884
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: to be top fifteen. So I'm I'll give him the

885
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt and say he cracks it.

886
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: I'm going all in. I'm saying hype train for sure.

887
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: I've been he might be my most drafted player on

888
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: Underdog this year. And then you know it's all late

889
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: round stuff, right, like you don't have to pay a

890
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: high draft price to get Sam Laporta. And trust me,

891
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 2: this is where you know, I think we all fall

892
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: victim to confirmation bias. Right where you pick, you pick

893
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: out the little news tidbits that make you happy, and

894
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: seeing you know the reports out of Detroit that Sam

895
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: Laporta is immediately establishing himself as the tight end one

896
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: and getting opportunities and getting looks that that gave me

897
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: a warm feeling in my belly because I've been drafting

898
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: a lot of Sam Laporta. But I do think I

899
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: think there's an opportunity there when you look at what

900
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: the Lions passing game has been, and more important, you

901
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: just look at the tight end depth chart in Detroit.

902
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 2: There aren't a lot of guys there that scare you

903
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: in terms of taking opportunities from laporter Now, obviously we

904
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: know what tight ends. Some of it is, uh, you

905
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: know your blocking ability and all the other assignments that

906
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: are asked of you as a tight end. But but

907
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: the arrow is pointing up for Sam Laporta. So I'm

908
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: I'm all in. I'm I've bought several tickets. I think

909
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 2: I bought out a whole car on the Sam Laporta

910
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: hype train for this season.

911
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: I love it. Excited.

912
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: You just got to beat out Shane Zilstra and brock Wright. Okay,

913
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 3: sure believe I'm on board. I believe in you, Sam.

914
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: I believe in you Sam.

915
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: Uh. So there you go, there's our our hype train

916
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: and smoke screen.

917
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: Time now to turn to another edition of Florio's Film Festival.

918
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: This is movie what number fourteen?

919
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: Yes for us?

920
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: So I feel like I feel like next week we

921
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: should you know, fifteen seems like a good number. We

922
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: can We'll do I'll figure out what the I haven't

923
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: even figured out what the season finale is.

924
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: I should do that while we're talking right now. I'll

925
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: think about that as we go through this.

926
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, movie number fourteen, Mission Impossible the synopsis,

927
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: an American agent under false suspicion of disloyalty must discover

928
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: and expose the real spy without the help of his organization.

929
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: Released June seventh, nineteen ninety six, with a budget of

930
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: seventy five million, grossed three hundred and thirty five million

931
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: dollars worldwide. So Florio, your immediate thoughts on the original

932
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: Mission Impossible.

933
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: I liked it.

934
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: I did come in today and I told you that

935
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: I need to give it a second viewing Yesterday was

936
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: one of those days where just like a bunch of

937
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: stuff kept coming up, so I didn't watch it till

938
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: late at night. I was already kind of tired, and

939
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 3: then I was doing stuff for this podcast. So it

940
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: didn't have my full undivided attention, and I want to

941
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: rewatch it and in time when I can give it that.

942
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 3: But just as you know, watching it the way I did,

943
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: I did enjoy this movie. I understand why twenty seven.

944
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: Years later we are still making sequels.

945
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: I see why. I will say, though, this is one

946
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 3: of those movies I think I would have appreciated way

947
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: more if I saw it in nineteen ninety six for

948
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: the first time or close to then, rather than twenty

949
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 3: twenty three, because the storyline, again I wasn't paying super

950
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: close attention, got a little confusing to me, and I

951
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 3: was I basically was like, oh, this is a movie

952
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: where wherever he goes, someone's going.

953
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: To try to kill him.

954
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: So it's an you know, it's literally a movie that's

955
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 3: like driven by the action, and it was really fun.

956
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: But it fails in comparison to some action movies from today.

957
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: I will say this it I get it right in

958
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: terms of what we see today. It is kind of

959
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 2: low key. I also but this movie is near and

960
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: dear to my heart. I saw it in the theater

961
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: I think opening weekend. I think I saw it in

962
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: Hollywood in an opening weekend. I used to quote from

963
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: it randomly. I even went to when I was in

964
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: Chicago once I walked randomly past the Drake Hotel and

965
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: took a picture of it. I think I posted it

966
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: on Twitter and like three people will understand this joke

967
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 2: from a movie that happened like twenty five years ago.

968
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: But I think it holds up in a lot of

969
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 2: ways in terms of just the action, sort of the storyline.

970
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: One thing I did like, I don't know if you

971
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: noticed this, it's under two hours.

972
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 3: Yes, that was the first thing I looked yesterday, and

973
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: I was like, not by much, but we got under

974
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: two It's like, you know, it's like an hour fifty

975
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: five or something like that, but it is under two hours.

976
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 2: I immediately thought, of you what I saw that? Yeah,

977
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: a couple a couple of interesting things about it. And

978
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: I don't think I realized this until kind of going

979
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 2: through this stuff. Not only is this the only film

980
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: in the franchise where Ethan Hunt doesn't fire a gun,

981
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: it is the only one not to have shootouts or gunfights,

982
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 2: which is sort of amazing in an action movie really

983
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: of any era, but especially the like No, the protagonist

984
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: who is a spy doesn't shoot a gun.

985
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: That's kind of amazing.

986
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it might be the last action

987
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: movie to not have a gunner a shootout, Like I

988
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: feel like that's like a staple of every single action movie.

989
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: It really is.

990
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: And so like credit to the for like creating a

991
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: story uh where they were able to avoid that and

992
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: they really did their best to sort of keep the

993
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: body count down on this movie in general.

994
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 3: Very different feel from Desperado.

995
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: Where everyone dies and every scene is a shootout. Every

996
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: scene is a shootout. Everyone dies in Desperado.

997
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: You know what was one thing that stood out to

998
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 3: me and I don't believe you have it in the

999
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 3: fun facts. I only know this because I googled it.

1000
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: Emilia Westevez is in this movie but is not. I

1001
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 3: was like, that's mighty ducks.

1002
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: He's not. And it's funny.

1003
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: It's funny you say that because I remember seeing it

1004
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: in the theater with friends and we're like, he's I

1005
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: didn't meanly westev is.

1006
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: Like he wasn't.

1007
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: Oh oh, and then he dies a grewsome death yeah

1008
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 2: twenty minutes ten uh.

1009
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1010
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: Actually, one of the things I did look up. I

1011
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: didn't put it in the notes, but that they put

1012
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: him in. They put him in the movie uncredited to

1013
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: try and sort of rejuvenate his movie career. He had

1014
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: been a big star, his movie career was starting to

1015
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: fade a little bit, and they were hoping that this

1016
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: would sort of juice his career again. And it really

1017
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: it didn't actually work, unfortunately. But yeah, he was uncredited.

1018
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: And then just about the time you're like, hey man,

1019
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: Emilio was maybe making a come, but he gets jabbed

1020
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 2: in the eyes in an elevator and dies.

1021
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 3: Mighty Ducks was ninety two. I would have because I

1022
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: loved that movie as a kid, I would have thought

1023
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 3: it was later nineties. So wow, that was post Yeah,

1024
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 3: he had already made the Flying V and everything.

1025
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: He had done the Flying V he had been really big.

1026
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Young Guns,

1027
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: but they made they made a couple of Young Guns

1028
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: movies which were really great. I loved them. They were

1029
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: you know, he played Billy the kid. They were outlaws

1030
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: in the Old West. Those were really big.

1031
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: And then the Mighty Ducks and after that he kind

1032
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: of just fell off a lot.

1033
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: There's one note I definitely need more information about. Okay,

1034
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 3: so a helicopter saw this movie and then was like,

1035
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: we're gonna We're gonna do this.

1036
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1037
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: Apparently inspired by the movie, A helicopter successfully threw through

1038
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: a flew through a tunnel in Brazil in two thousand

1039
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: and six.

1040
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: I I just want to know was it six?

1041
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: I assume it was successful, right like they you know,

1042
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: people wouldn't talk about it if it just crashed.

1043
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: Who was crazy enough to be like, well it worked

1044
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: and mission impossible.

1045
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: Let's do it here.

1046
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that that's that takes guts to

1047
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: actually want to go and do something like that. I

1048
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 2: think that I didn't really get it, says While filming

1049
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: the famous scene where Tom Cruise drops from the ceiling

1050
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: and hovers inches above the ground, Cruise's head kept hitting

1051
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: the floor until he got the idea to put coins

1052
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: in his shoes for balance. I would assume, like it's

1053
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: more than like a coin, right, it had to be

1054
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: like several coins to sort of balance him out a

1055
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: little bit.

1056
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like how many coins is tipping the skit? Like?

1057
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: Is he walking around with like.

1058
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: Bags of cords?

1059
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: He's on set just clinking around because he's got like,

1060
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: you know, it can't be a few coin stacks of

1061
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 2: quarters in his shoes or something.

1062
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that is why not get like heavier shoes?

1063
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, put.

1064
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 3: Weights on your ankles or something like something.

1065
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: I can't imagine, Like how that how that exactly worked

1066
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 2: at all? The producers cast Ving Rains as Luther because

1067
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: they felt he was the opposite of what a.

1068
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: Hacker normally looks like. And you're right.

1069
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody expected Marcellus Wallace from pulp fiction

1070
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: to in turn be a hacker.

1071
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: That's another one of my favorite parts about doing this

1072
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: series is seeing the actors from other movies, because like,

1073
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: I didn't know any.

1074
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: Of his roles.

1075
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: The other part of that is Ving Raims and Tom

1076
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: Cruise are the only two who have been in every

1077
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: single movie in the franchise.

1078
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: When do you think their streak ends?

1079
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: Well, I think so.

1080
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: This was number seven that just came out Dead Reckoning

1081
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: Part one. I think it's a part two, and I

1082
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: believe that might be the end of Tom Cruise.

1083
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: Okay, at least that's what I've heard.

1084
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: My personal belief on this is that Ethan Hunt should

1085
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: be sort of like James Bond, where when Tom Cruise

1086
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: is done, we just pick a new actor.

1087
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we just keep making Ethan Hunt movies.

1088
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: Well, Tom Cruise's ego allow that.

1089
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: That's a good question, that's a fair question. I don't know.

1090
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: Also, to promote something out like the other day, we

1091
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 3: did a video where we were interviewing people who saw

1092
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: Barbie or Oppenheimer. Right, you could see it on all

1093
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: of our fantasy socials, But me and you were pointing

1094
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: out that no one leaving the theater at that point

1095
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: was saying they were seeing Mission Impossible. So the no,

1096
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: the studio did this latest movie a little dirty with

1097
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: their release.

1098
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: DA probably Yeah, I mean they put it right ahead

1099
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: of Barbenheimer like a week or two, and I don't think.

1100
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: I think.

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00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 2: I think the first week it was okay, it's sort

1102
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: of falling off, and you're right, like not a single

1103
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: person was like, oh no, I'm here to see Mission Impossible,

1104
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: Like no that or Indiana Jones.

1105
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: Nobody seemed to be watching.

1106
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 3: Have you seen the numbers that those movies put up

1107
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: by Yes, insane?

1108
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: We were way off.

1109
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 3: We were right that Barbie would double up Oppenheimer, but

1110
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 3: we were off.

1111
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: In terms of the total. Yeah, we sort of missed

1112
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: out on that.

1113
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: The other thing that I thought was interesting, and I

1114
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: remember this at the time that for people who were

1115
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: fans of the original sixties TV show, this movie did

1116
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: not go over well. Jim Phelps, who in the movie

1117
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: was played by John Voight and the TV show was

1118
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: played by Peter Graves, and I think people wanted Peter

1119
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: Graves to come back and take up that role again.

1120
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 1: Graves didn't do it because.

1121
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: In the end Jim Phelps turns out to be the

1122
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: bad guy and ends up dying. If for fans of

1123
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 2: the original TV show, that did not sit very well,

1124
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: because you know, in the television show, Jim Phelps was

1125
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: essentially what Ethan Hunt is now. He was kind of

1126
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: the leader of the team and the guy that was

1127
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: kind of in the center of everything. So for you know,

1128
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: just you know, you don't ever want to see your

1129
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 2: heroes become the villain. So for folks who love the

1130
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: TV show, they were not pleased with how this movie went.

1131
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: I was today years old, and I knew there was

1132
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 3: a Mission Impossible TV show in the sixties. I never

1133
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: knew that, but I understand their feelings because it's like

1134
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: I'm someone who if I'm a fan, like I get

1135
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: I become very big fans of stuff that I really like, Like,

1136
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: you know, I like love Breaking Bad.

1137
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: I would be I was.

1138
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: When they said they were doing the sequel to it.

1139
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: I was like, why, Like, it's a perfect TV show,

1140
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: so leave it as is. And then I loved the

1141
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: sequel and I loved the movie they made afterwards and stuff.

1142
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 3: But I understand being protective and not wanting to ruin

1143
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: something that that you that you enjoy so much.

1144
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, yeah, I get it.

1145
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: In fact, I know that they the producers of this movie,

1146
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 2: reached out to the original cast of the TV show,

1147
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: wanted to bring them in, have them do cameos as

1148
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: sort of a passing of the torch, and I think

1149
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: everybody but one person turned it down.

1150
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 1: Okay, wow.

1151
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: They didn't want to be you know, like Johnny Depp

1152
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 3: in twenty one Jump Store.

1153
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: Right, No, nothing like that. They did not want to

1154
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: be involved at all in this one.

1155
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: So all right.

1156
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: So I know you said you kind of want to

1157
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: rewatch it or whatever because you were sort of distracted.

1158
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: I get it. We all have stuff to do. But

1159
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: from what you saw, what you remember, would you willingly

1160
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: watch this again?

1161
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm definitely going to watch it again because

1162
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 3: I need to give it another view. Right now I

1163
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 3: have it, I go back. I'm like that in The Rock,

1164
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 3: I feel like they right in the middle. Like I

1165
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 3: don't know if it cracks my top five, but it

1166
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 3: comes right after that. Okay, I feel like you would

1167
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 3: have it a lot higher on your list.

1168
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: I probably would, But again, I know that I'm sort

1169
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 2: of emotional when it comes to that movie. There are

1170
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: like so many like there's some like I think, going

1171
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: back and watching it again, I forget how quotable the

1172
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: character of Kittridge is, you know, yeah, like the you know,

1173
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: I want him manning a radio tower in Alaska by

1174
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 2: the end of the day, just mailed him his clothes.

1175
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: You know. That's a great line.

1176
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: You know, it's a great lie. Kittridge was really really

1177
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: quotable in that movie. I thought there was like a

1178
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: lot of good chemistry. I think, you know, Ving Raims

1179
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: as Luther was great. Yeah, It's just it was really

1180
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 2: really fun and rip e medio Estevez. We barely got

1181
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: to know your character before you died an awful, awful death.

1182
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 2: All right, So I feel like next week should be

1183
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: the last one. It'll be number fifteen. It gets us

1184
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: pretty much into training camp and I'll almost right up

1185
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: to the starts of the preseason. So I've decided, as

1186
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: we've been talking here, to finish this out with what's

1187
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 2: considered by some maybe one of the best action movies

1188
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 2: of the nineties, Heat from nineteen ninety five.

1189
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 3: I've never seen it, but I've heard good things it's.

1190
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 2: And it was big because it was Robert de Niro

1191
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: and Al Pacinos sort of going head to head, one

1192
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 2: as a bank robber, the other is the cop trying

1193
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: to take him down. Also has Val Kilmer, does have

1194
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: John Voight, Tom Sizemore, Ashley Judd, a number of big

1195
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: name actors from the nineties in that movie. It is

1196
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: when you talk about heist movies, you know, one of

1197
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: the one of the best ones that I think you're

1198
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: ever going to see out there.

1199
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: This might make me seem out of the loop, which

1200
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 3: people already know that I am. For so long. I

1201
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 3: knew John Voight as the guy who ate George Costanz's pencil.

1202
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean, I guess I think of him immediately,

1203
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 2: if not as Angelina Jolie's dad, then as Bud Kilmer.

1204
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: From Varsity Blues.

1205
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, that's kind of how I think of John.

1206
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: But that's a pretty good one. I think that's a

1207
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good one as well.

1208
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: So all right, so that'll, you know, that will get

1209
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: us to the end of what has been a pretty

1210
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: fun film festival.

1211
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed it so far. I hope that you have

1212
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: enjoyed it.

1213
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've sixteen new movies I've seen after next week.

1214
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: If Snakes on a Plane, that's right, Snake's on a

1215
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: Plane would be you know, it's like fifteen plus, I guess,

1216
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: is what we will call it.

1217
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: In the meantime, we should also wrap this one up

1218
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: as well. That I'll do it for this edition of

1219
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. They happy, safe and healthy,

1220
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: do good and live well, enjoy the movies, enjoy the

1221
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: opening of training camp everybody, and we will talk to

1222
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 2: you next week.

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Speaker 3: Wo Hotel Bo