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Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports show, where we

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Speaker 1: explore the big money issues in the world of sports.

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Speaker 1: Michael Dongan, I'm Scarlett Fou and I'm Mike Lynch. Coming

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Speaker 1: up today. We have several topics to start with, and

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Speaker 1: let's begin with Aaron Rodgers, who is still in the news.

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering now, Scarlett, how much of the fallout

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Speaker 1: will continue because he has lost several sponsors now because

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Speaker 1: of this COVID nineteen protocol nightmare that he has created. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Previa Health and Uh, Aaron Rodgers have mutually agreed to

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Speaker 1: end their partnership. They've been working together since and if

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Speaker 1: you look at some of his other endorsement deals, he

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Speaker 1: also works with State Farm as well. So you wonder

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Speaker 1: whether there's going to be more to come. Another shoe

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Speaker 1: is going to drop here, and all this goes back

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Speaker 1: to him being pretty disingenuous in answering the question whether

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Speaker 1: he'd been vaccinated. He said, yes, I've been immunizes clearly,

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Speaker 1: very carefully choosing his words in uh in that press

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Speaker 1: Confort and Lynchy, Uh, I believe and I forgot the

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Speaker 1: person who wrote the USA Today opinion piece, but he

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Speaker 1: said all the in paraphrasing, all the street cred that

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers had dissipated in three days. It was Christine Brennan,

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Speaker 1: who's a very reputable reporter, and I read it myself

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Speaker 1: and I kind of wondered. I mean, usually when this happens,

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Speaker 1: when companies disassociate themselves with athletes, it's because they've been

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Speaker 1: charged with a crime, or they have been convicted of

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Speaker 1: a crime. This was a personal health decision by Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: and you wonder it was the action by previouer a

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Speaker 1: little impulsive, or because they are a health company they

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Speaker 1: don't want to be associated with Aaron Rodgers anymore. He

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Speaker 1: did make a decision. It was a health decision. That's

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Speaker 1: not a crime. And it can cause you to not

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Speaker 1: be able to work for your employer and cause you

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Speaker 1: to be fined, but it doesn't really put any public

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Speaker 1: disrepute on you. But like you said, it probably worked

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Speaker 1: against what the company is about, right, yes. And the

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Speaker 1: other issue as well is that it put his teammates

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Speaker 1: when he talked to them, he was not wearing a mask.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he went about doing things as if he

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Speaker 1: was vaccinated when he wasn't well in the National Football

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Speaker 1: League is conducting an investigation right now, and they're going

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Speaker 1: to look at the security cameras inside the Green Bay facility. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And there are certain very strict rules if you're unvaccinated,

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Speaker 1: you're not allowed to go into the lunch room or

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Speaker 1: the meeting room or the weight room with players that

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Speaker 1: have been vaccinated. So they'll just they're gonna see a look.

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Speaker 1: If he's in the quarterback meeting with the head coach

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Speaker 1: and the other quarterbacks not wearing a mask, they cannot

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Speaker 1: suspend him under the NFL Players Association agreement, they cannot

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Speaker 1: suspend Aaron Rodgers, but they can find him and for

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Speaker 1: each offense it's a little more than fourteen thousand dollars. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He also was seen at a Halloween party not wearing

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Speaker 1: a mask, and there are certain rules about congregating with

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Speaker 1: teammates away from the facility if you are unvaccinated. It

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Speaker 1: so a lot of people around the league of a

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Speaker 1: very they think that Green Bays being held to a

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Speaker 1: different standard than their teams have, and that's going to

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Speaker 1: be part of this investigation, which is going to be

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Speaker 1: interesting when it comes out right. Other teams have said

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Speaker 1: that they would never be able to get away with this,

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Speaker 1: or their players wore masks all the time. Um, they

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Speaker 1: had to follow protocol carefully. It seems like there's a

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Speaker 1: different set of standards of being applied here. Now. He

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Speaker 1: said last week he was on the Pat McAfee show,

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Speaker 1: that he was allergic to some of the properties in

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Speaker 1: the vaccines and that's why he didn't say in the

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Speaker 1: fiser in the moderna vaccine. But you also had the

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Speaker 1: Jane vaccine available, but he said that he wasn't comfortable

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Speaker 1: getting that one because of the blood clots, which studies

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Speaker 1: have shown really are more of an issue for women

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Speaker 1: aged um well at a certain age, which doesn't apply

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Speaker 1: to him. And by the way, Jane J's vaccine was

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think he's he's done a lot

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Speaker 1: he by alternative treatment. But now he's got the eyes

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Speaker 1: of the National Football League investigating him right now, in

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Speaker 1: he's run out of auctions. And to be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see if State Farm takes any action against him as well,

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Speaker 1: because every time you turn every commercial break, it seems

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Speaker 1: Speaking of sports figures during the Sunday Games broadcast, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw, Hall of Fame quarterback, I mean took Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers to task. I'd give Aaron Rodgers some advice. It

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Speaker 1: would have been nice if he had just come to

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Speaker 1: the Naval Academy and learned how to be honest, learned that,

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Speaker 1: learned not to live, because that's what you did. Aaron,

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Speaker 1: you live everyone. I understand him and eyes what you

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Speaker 1: were doing was taking stuff that would keep you from

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Speaker 1: getting COVID nineteen. You got COVID nineteen. I've met him

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Speaker 1: as a cattle d warm er. Sorry, folks, that's what

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Speaker 1: it is. We are divided nation politically, were divided nation

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, we've got players that pretty much think only

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Speaker 1: about themselves. And I'm extremely disappointed and the actions of

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. That was four times Super Bowl Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame quarterback Terry Bradshaw. The cheering you heard was because,

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Speaker 1: as Bradshaw said, they were at the Naval Academy. They

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Speaker 1: and Scarlett he just called him a liar. And it's

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Speaker 1: you know, it's he's lost Rogers. Like I said earlier,

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Speaker 1: it seems like he's lost all street cred, certainly with

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Speaker 1: certain people. Um. The question is how the NFL proceeds here.

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Speaker 1: And I've been reading different thought pieces, and one take

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Speaker 1: punish the team, the Green Bay Packers than Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: specifically for his violations because the league doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: get involved in this culture war. Um that Rogers has

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Speaker 1: set the terms for so. Um, that is why it's

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Speaker 1: going to the video cameras, the surveillance cameras to see

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Speaker 1: this is pretty harsh by Terry Bradshaw. This is you know,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has had a squeaky clean reputation for sixteen

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Speaker 1: seen before. Yesterday Terry Bradshaw was hanging up a picture

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Speaker 1: in the State Farm Hall of Fame. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: Martin Luther King though. Yeah, and that well, now you

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Speaker 1: brought up another point. Don't go quoting Martin Luther King

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Speaker 1: that got me disappointed in this context. Exactly exactly, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Lynchy about mental health. And you know, it's where do

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Speaker 1: The fines it racks up to a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: health assistance, but he's refused to provide basic details of

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Speaker 1: what he needs his mental health meetings, his evaluations or treatments,

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Speaker 1: or even accept any consultation with UM specialists that the

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Speaker 1: team arranges. So the mental health professionals that he has

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Speaker 1: Lynchy wasn't Ben Simmons a huge signing? Well, he right

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Speaker 1: now is four years and a hundred and forty one

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Speaker 1: I mean, mental health is not like a joint in

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Speaker 1: I mean what general manager of a of a team

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Speaker 1: You know, not just professional basketball, but all professional sports

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Speaker 1: played lights out again. So finally, let's talk about Barstools

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Speaker 1: day Portnoy and allegations involving the pen national subsequent stock

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Speaker 1: tank Scarlett, can you explain what happened? Well, there are

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Speaker 1: several women, Um, there's a report that several women UM

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Speaker 1: of barstool Sports. Uh. Penn is linked to barstool Sports

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Speaker 1: most of his tweets, or a lot of his tweets

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