1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: Filmmaker and author Jack Kelly and director of The Atlantis Puzzle, 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: is with us and we're talking about newly retranslated Greek 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 2: texts from Plato that suggest Atlantis may never have sunk 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: beneath the ocean at all, but instead vanished beneath time, 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: climate change, and most importantly, centuries of mistranslation. Jack, you 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: were explaining sort of how this story came down to 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: Plato of Atlantis and these three individuals sitting around trying 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: to regale Socrates about Atlantis. So just carry on. What 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: did they tell Socrates about this empire? This bloodthirsty empire, 11 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: think you call them that actually attacked Athens and much 12 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: of the Greek world centuries before. 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 3: Right, So this is a mysterious, mysterious story. And when 14 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: we get we end the Tamaeis story, which is most 15 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: of the text is this kind of philosophical text about 16 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: the origin and nature of the universe and how human 17 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: beings came to be in it and so forth. And 18 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: he'd say, well, what's that have to do with Atlantis? 19 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: So then that book ends and boom, now here we 20 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 3: are in the book called Critias, And this is where 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 3: the character Critius comes back. He's jogged his memory and 22 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: he's got this story to tell that he heard long ago, 23 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 3: and the origin of the story about this sort of 24 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: prehistoric war that took place around ninety six hundred BC 25 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: between the hostile Atlantean Empire and the good guys, you know, 26 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 3: the sort of proto Athenian people, and this Greek coalition 27 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 3: that pushed these bad guys back and drove them all 28 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: the way back to their capital city, where there was 29 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: a terrible and the gods became angered. And in a 30 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: single day and night, Atlantis was struck that the capital 31 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: city was struck by earthquakes and floods, and not only 32 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 3: was it destroyed, but the Athenian army that had gone 33 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: there to trying to defeat these bad guys was also destroyed, 34 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: lost in the earthquakes, swallowed up by the earth. So 35 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: this story in all its sort of elaborate, you know, 36 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 3: descriptions and so forth, in this book, Crittius is notable 37 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 3: for two reasons. One, it supposedly came down to these 38 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 3: characters sitting around there through Critius's ancestors, through Solon. Well, 39 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 3: how did Solon hear about it? And Solon, well, he 40 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: was an Athenian statesman around six hundred BC. But after 41 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: he set up the Athenian government, he took off sort 42 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 3: of a sabbatical for about ten years, and one of 43 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 3: the places he went to was the Temple of Seiss 44 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: in the Egyptian Nile Delta. Now this was a real place, 45 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: and at that time period this there was a lot 46 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: of exchange between the Egyptians and the Greeks, and so 47 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: around maybe five ninety three BC, soon went there to 48 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: the Temple of Seiss and he starts talking with these 49 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: priests there who are very educated and knowledgeable about the 50 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: distant past, and so he starts kind of talking to 51 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 3: them about, well, what the Greeks version of the ancient 52 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: ancient past was, and he goes back farther and farther 53 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: and farther and look at it. Inevitably, at a certain 54 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: point history starts to blend into myth. And he tells him, 55 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: you know, well, we have these these flood myths going 56 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 3: all the way back to the Great Flood of Declion, 57 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: and that's that's sort of what we know. And the Egyptians, 58 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 3: these these Egyptian priests in this massive temple there in 59 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: the Nile Delta. They just kind of laugh at him, 60 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: and he's like, well, what you know, what are you 61 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: guys laughing at? They said, well, you Greeks are Greeks 62 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: are always children. You don't really you don't really understand 63 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: you you've lost all awareness of yourselves and you don't 64 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: even understand your own past, and so on says, well, 65 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: what are you talking about? And he said, well, first 66 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 3: of all, there weren't There wasn't just one great flood, 67 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 3: but at least, you know, three multiple great floods, and 68 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 3: there were other great destructive events. And we Egyptians we 69 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 3: know about all this stuff because we got it written 70 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 3: down here in our temples. And you Greeks, every time 71 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 3: there's a big disaster or a famine or a flood 72 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: or you know, comments striking the earth to your society 73 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: gets totally obliterated. You get knocked back to the Stone 74 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 3: Age and you have to sort of start over from scratch. 75 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: You've totally lost all memory of your own culture. And 76 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: in fact, I'm going to tell you a story that 77 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 3: shows that this is true. You don't even know about 78 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 3: your own ancestors from nine thousand years ago who once 79 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 3: defeated the Atlanteans. So then the priest goes on to 80 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: kind of tell the Atlantean war story. Now, the other 81 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 3: notable thing about this book, Critius, is that it's unfinished. 82 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: Right. 83 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: The book kind of cuts off maybe about a third 84 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 3: of the way through it. It's much shorter than to Mass. 85 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 3: So just as you're starting to really get to like 86 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: the action and the war of the Atlanteans versus the 87 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: Greeks and how did this happen nine thousand, six hundred BC, 88 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: what will happened, Well, the story just sort of cuts off. 89 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: It ends mid sentence. So for hundreds of thousands of years, 90 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 3: a lot of people had assumed that Plato either lost 91 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: interest in the story, or that he became ill and 92 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 3: died before he could finish it, or you know, maybe 93 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: even that there there was a finished version of it 94 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: somewhere out there, but it just, you know, the manuscript 95 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 3: had been kind of destroyed by by time and the elements, 96 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: and it was just lost to us as many many uh, 97 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,119 Speaker 3: you know, works of ancient authors have been destroyed by time. 98 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 3: So that's that's kind of the that's kind of the setup. 99 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about again getting back to George 100 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: Serrantetes and this linguistic misunderstanding that has relegated the Atlantis 101 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: story not only to the realm of fantasy, but has 102 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: left led people on these wild goose chases. Some people 103 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: believe Atlantis is under the ocean near Bermuda. Some people 104 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: you mentioned the Azores rather the Azors, believe it's there. 105 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: Others believe it's somewhere else. What was this linguistic misunderstanding 106 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: that led people astray? 107 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 3: Right? So, Richard, this was the crux. This is what 108 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: hooked me into Serantidius's ideas and said to me that 109 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: this was worthy of spending years making a documentary and 110 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: writing a book to get this story out to the world. 111 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: So Serantidius was a huge Plato fan. He was an 112 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: engineer by training, He had studied ancient Greek and university 113 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: in high school and so forth. He was perplexed by 114 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: the fact that Plato, who was such a master of 115 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: logic and such a philosopher, So why is this guy 116 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: spending time telling stories and myths, and specifically why did 117 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 3: he write this Atlanta's story in the first place. So 118 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: he started digging into it, and he started going back 119 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: and reading through modern English and Greek translations of the 120 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: ancient texts, and because he also read ancient Greek, he 121 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: was looking at them side by side. And as you know, 122 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: the first thing he noticed was when you get to 123 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: the part about well where was Atlantis, And the story says, well, 124 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: you had to cross this body of water if you 125 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: were going to Atlantis from Greece called the Atlantic Pelagos. 126 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: Well that was translated as Atlantic Ocean. So all the 127 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: old translations from the eighteen hundreds, by the way, these 128 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: were the translations Ignacious Donnelly would have used in crafting 129 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: his theories about the Azores. They all say, well, you know, 130 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 3: you had to go out past the pillars of Hercules 131 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 3: and across the Atlantic Ocean. It was somewhere out there. 132 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: But they also say a lot of other weird contradictory stuff. 133 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense if you were going to 134 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 3: cross the Atlantic Ocean like in their era, and the 135 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 3: other words, in the era of the story being told 136 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 3: around six hundred BC, the Atlantic Pelagos has silted up. Well, 137 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: you and I both know the Atlantic Ocean has not 138 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: silted up any any time in the last you know, 139 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: you know, however, many hundred millions of years. So what 140 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: you're left with was this puzzle and serentiitis, it just 141 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: dawned on him, this isn't this isn't the right translation. 142 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 3: Pelagos is a word that's still used in modern Greek 143 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 3: to refer to bodies of water, like the Aegean Sea 144 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: or the Ionian Sea, or you know, maybe the Hydriatic. 145 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 3: These are seas that are partially enclosed by land, have 146 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: islands in them and so forth. They're not oceans. And 147 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: the Greeks had a different word for ocean. It was oceanos, 148 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 3: which from which we obviously get ocean. And to them, 149 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: you know, okeanos, the ocean was the body of water 150 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: that extended all the way around Europe, Asia and Africa, 151 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: which was that was the world that they knew at 152 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: that time. So you're left with this head scratcher, which 153 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: is okay, Atlantic Pelagos. You could just picture these ancient 154 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: sort of guys or a couple hundred years ago at 155 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: Oxford and so forth, scratching their scratching their heads and 156 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: sort of saying, you know, I say, chauncey, have you 157 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: ever heard of an Atlantic Pelagos? You know, no, I 158 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: have not, And it must have meant the Atlantic Ocean, right, 159 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: old chap, you know, carry on. So what these guys 160 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: translating the story didn't have the advantage of is we 161 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: have a modern understanding of climate science, where we understand 162 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: the climate has changed. And so these guys basically just 163 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 3: made this assumption. Hey, I've never heard of an Atlantic 164 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: Pelagos sea, ocean, you know, potato potato. I guess he 165 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: meant the Atlantic Ocean because that was the only body 166 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: of water named Atlantic that they knew about. Well, what 167 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 3: Serentitius realized is, hey, Plato's a very specific linguist, right, 168 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 3: he uses the word okeanos in other books he's written. 169 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 3: If he meant to say ocean, he would have said it, 170 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: but he didn't. So he meant something specific with those words. 171 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: And you know, I like to give the examples that 172 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 3: the ancient Greeks had several different words for bodies of 173 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: water that we just call sea, Like the Mediterranean was 174 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 3: a thalasa, that's what that meant. What we call the 175 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 3: Black Sea today they called the euxenios pontos, which meant 176 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 3: a brackish sea that was friendly to strangers. Right, it's 177 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: very specific, right, that what that body of water is. 178 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 3: So I think it's it's the equivalent of somebody conflating 179 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 3: the Hudson River the Hudson Bay and you know, Hudson's 180 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: Pond or something like that. Right. 181 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: So the so the idea is the ocean was it 182 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: was mistranslated. People thought Palagos meant ocean, the Atlantic Ocean. 183 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 2: So they were looking beyond the Pillars of Hercules, which 184 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: is Gibraltar. 185 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: Right. That's and see that's the other key piece of 186 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 3: the puzzle, Richard is today that's what the what the 187 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 3: pillars of Hercules referred to, and that all started around 188 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: the time that the Romans conquered the entire Mediterranean, and 189 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 3: that's where the pillars of Hercules kind of became fixed there. 190 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 3: But this is the other astonishing thing is when Sarantius 191 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: went back and did some research, and anybody can go 192 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: out and, by the way, and corroborate this. You go 193 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: back to different ancient authors of the ancient Greek era, 194 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 3: and the pillars of Hercules appear in multiple different places 195 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: around the Mediterranean. There is even a Roman author Tacitus, 196 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: who said there were pillars of Heracles up, you know, 197 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: in the North Sea, at the mouth of some river. 198 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 3: So what does this mean. It must mean something different 199 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: than just a single fixed place, and so maybe this 200 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 3: had a more symbolic meaning. Now you have to get 201 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: into some more of the nuance, and without going into 202 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: too much of the detail. Essentially, Serantetius used the grammar 203 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 3: of the story, the specific words, and an awareness of 204 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: what those words meant at that time in history, right, 205 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 3: what the connotation of the word was, right, And I 206 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: give the example. I mean, you know, the word gay 207 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: means something very different in the twenty first century than 208 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 3: it meant in the nineteenth century. There are lots of 209 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 3: examples of this. So he actually took the trouble to 210 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: go back look at the connotation of all the words 211 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 3: Plato was using for his geography and came up with 212 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 3: an astonishing conclusion. And that conclusion was the Atlantic Ocean 213 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: had nothing to do with it. To get to Atlantis 214 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: from Greece, you had to cross the Mediterranean and then 215 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: pass through the mouth of an outlet of a river 216 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: that entered the Mediterranean. You had to enter a sea 217 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: called the Atlantic Pelagos, and from there you could access 218 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: sort of the interior of the Atlantean continent. And through 219 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 3: doing all this research he could only sort of pin 220 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: this to one place, and he said, this has to 221 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 3: be part of North Africa. There's no other explanation geographically 222 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: that makes any sense. And through a series of logical 223 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 3: deductions so forth, he kind of came up with a 224 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 3: schematic of what Atlantis the continent looked like, and lo 225 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: and behold, you know this, this is where the moment 226 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: came for me of superimposing that on sort of northwest Africa. 227 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,479 Speaker 3: And the fit is astonishing. 228 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: What was so we're talking about the Sahara, correct, Yes, 229 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: the whole, the. 230 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: Whole sort of northwestern part of modern Africa. 231 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: Right right? What was the Sahara like ten we're talking 232 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: ten twelve thousand years ago? 233 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: What was it like back then? 234 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: Well, that's the other remarkable piece of this puzzles you say, Well, 235 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: you know today the Sahara Desert is this kind of 236 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: enormous wasteland, and you know, the myth describes all this 237 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: lush greenery and waterways and all these different massive lakes 238 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 3: and seas and rivers and so forth. So even if 239 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: Sarentius was sort of right about the schematics and the 240 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: directions of the grammar, well, how could any of the 241 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: story possibly have any truth to it. Right, So what 242 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: you're talking about is this notion of climate change. And 243 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: I know that's a very popular buzzword these days, but 244 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 3: I think it's hard to impress in our minds just 245 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: how drastic natural climate change can be. And there's something 246 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 3: when you go back eight nine, ten thousand BC, the 247 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 3: time the era of the Atlantis story. We call this 248 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 3: period the green Sahara. 249 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 250 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot 251 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: com for more