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Speaker 1: Looks right, throws a deep pass right side, ends up.

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Speaker 1: That's a touchdown, and the Cardinals continue to pour it on.

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Speaker 1: Great move to the right at the fifty, comes back

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Speaker 1: to the left of the party. HEA's list of the thirty.

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Speaker 1: He's at the twenty ten touchdown. Cardinals rise up and

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Speaker 1: make a flight. Hit one hit. Oh my goodness, he

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Speaker 1: got crushed. You've gotta be Kidney. Come off the ball

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Speaker 1: with malice. Here's Paul Calvc. You guys ever hit that

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Speaker 1: mode when you're driving around and it's your fuel efficiency

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Speaker 1: real time readout. You guys have that in your car

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Speaker 1: getting superior gas mileage when you're cruising downhill, for example,

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Speaker 1: your foots off the gas and then when you floor

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Speaker 1: like Darren Urban with a heavy foot. We know around Tempe,

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Speaker 1: Kyle da Guard you know back in the days before

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Speaker 1: he had his license suspended then finally got it back.

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Speaker 1: He's under severe he has a limiter on his vehicle.

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Speaker 1: But as a car guy, you guys have to bear

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Speaker 1: with me here on this one because I saw this

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Speaker 1: stat It was wind probability in the fourth quarter. Okay,

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Speaker 1: now this is the Cardinals last game, obviously the Hail Murray,

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Speaker 1: but before all the drama, the right before the two

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Speaker 1: minute warning, the wind probability for the Bills was twenty

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Speaker 1: nine percent. The Cardinals was seventy one percent because the

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Speaker 1: Bills were trailing. Then after the Dig's touchdown, it was

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Speaker 1: ninety seven percent wind probability for the Bills, three percent

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals. Before the Hopkins touchdown, before the snap

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Speaker 1: of the final play, it was ninety eight percent Bills,

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Speaker 1: two percent Cardinals. And then they even calculated it after

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Speaker 1: the d op hail Murray touchdown. Then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals win percentage was ninety nine, not one hundred,

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Speaker 1: but ninety nine percent versus one percent. And I bring

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. Is this taking it a little too a

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Speaker 1: bit too far? And Kyle, if I ask you, I

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Speaker 1: know what the answer has been. Darn. Come on, as

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Speaker 1: a man of reason here, you're somewhere in between me

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Speaker 1: and Kyle. Do we really need these real time readouts

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Speaker 1: to the very moment as to the wind probability percentages?

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Speaker 1: Isn't this analytics run amuck? I mean, do we need them?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we need them, but goodness gracious, Paul,

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Speaker 1: if we didn't have all these numbers to throw around

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Speaker 1: all the time, what would we have to talk about

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Speaker 1: on Cardinals Underground? I mean, well, you mean, what would

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Speaker 1: we have to blast? You know, who would we have

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Speaker 1: to criticize? That's a more likely aspect of it. I

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Speaker 1: who actually is seeking out that's sort of real time info. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, Paul, I don't know if you want

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Speaker 1: to bring up gamblers right now, because quite frankly, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of irritated people out there because the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: And I heard Cliff Kingsbury on Here is one of

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Speaker 1: of a million reasons not to wage your kids. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean honestly, that's but you know what, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: surprise me. I got a buddy, us degenerate gambler, and

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Speaker 1: he's always complaining about stuff like that. Hey, Scott van

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Speaker 1: Pell runs a whole segment about that, Yeah, every every

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Speaker 1: it's so improbable that Lebron James tweeted d hop had

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Speaker 1: it on Wall Street Journal. You guys are consumers of

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Speaker 1: mass media. What other platforms did you see? The Cardinals?

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Speaker 1: Above the fold? If you will, because it certainly went

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Speaker 1: because none of what I have written, including the headline,

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Speaker 1: It just depends on your appetite level and the degree

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Speaker 1: we can get incredibly in depth. When when DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 1: that does merit headlines. Yeah, and this is a dude

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Speaker 1: as you said, But I mean, how many times does

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Speaker 1: By the way, his analysis was, that's the first hailm

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to disagree with your disagreement just from

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Speaker 1: the standpoint of last year with Lamar Jackson. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons Baltimore was winning was

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Speaker 1: because Lamar put up those crazy stats. But I think

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Speaker 1: if Lamar Jackson puts up those crazy stats and that

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Speaker 1: team wins ten games instead of fourteen, I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's MVP. I think Russell Wison probably his MVP, So

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Speaker 1: I do think I do think ultimately they kind of

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Speaker 1: go hand in hand. You've got to have the great stats,

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Speaker 1: but you're going to start losing some momentum behind your

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Speaker 1: candidacy if you don't win enough of the games, because

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Speaker 1: the team, the players that are on the teams that

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Speaker 1: are winning all those games are gonna catch. Now, if

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Speaker 1: you're in a situation where nobody wins fourteen and you've

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Speaker 1: got all these ten, eleven, and twelve win teams, then

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Speaker 1: things even out a little bit more. But I think

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Speaker 1: if there's one outstanding team, if Patrick Mahomes numbers aren't

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Speaker 1: quite the same, but they win fourteen, I don't think

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Speaker 1: Kyler's got a chance. Are you allowed to disagree with

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Speaker 1: yourself here on Cardinals Underground brought to you by Pacific

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Speaker 1: Office Automation prop partner of the areas under Cardinals, because

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Speaker 1: you know what consider and let's say that's the scenario, Darren.

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Speaker 1: Let's say that the most wins the NFL this year

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Speaker 1: is a dozen? Will the voters have the wherewithal and

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Speaker 1: the knowledge, especially you East Coast bias guys to Eliza.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals were a five win team last year. Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: The year previous, they went to the playoffs. Now he

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Speaker 1: had a miserable playoff game and they lost, and they

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Speaker 1: rousted by their chargers, but they were a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about Kyler Murray taking a team to the

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Speaker 1: playoffs and maybe ten or eleven wins, if that's the

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Speaker 1: way it unfolds, coming off a five win season before that,

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Speaker 1: a three win season before he ever arrived. Here's how

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Speaker 1: I interpret that, though, and this goes back to what

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Speaker 1: Kyle was talking about. This isn't just about the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: and being off the radar a little bit. This is

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Speaker 1: a sexy team and Kyler Murray is a sexy player

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Speaker 1: in terms of how the NFL looks at things, and

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Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy that already has a huge

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Speaker 1: national scope. So I don't I don't think they're going

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Speaker 1: to get lost in that regard. I think people very

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Speaker 1: much know Kyler Murray right now. He's done well on

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Speaker 1: some major stages. This last game wasn't a national well,

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Speaker 1: it was kind of nationally televised. Kyle was saying that

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Speaker 1: it had gone to most of the nation. But because

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Speaker 1: of the play, now everybody's talking about the Cardinals again.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be a national TV Thursday night. If he

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Speaker 1: plays well and they win, He's absolutely going to be

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Speaker 1: right front and center because he's the kind of guy

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Speaker 1: that networks want to put on TV. He's the kind

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Speaker 1: of guy that the kids want to be like, and

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Speaker 1: he's the new kind of quarterback that the league is

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Speaker 1: going to ride into the future here. So I don't

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Speaker 1: worry about the Cardinals and Kyler Murray in particular, getting

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Speaker 1: lost in that regard. I just think we have to

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Speaker 1: give the voters the benefit of the doubt. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I get it, like back in the day when Andre

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Speaker 1: Dawson is win an MVP like that was egregious. But

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Speaker 1: now there's so many statistics, there's so many ways to

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Speaker 1: measure quarterback play, and I think the Dolphins game is

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Speaker 1: a good example. The Cardinals lost that game, but Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray played tremendously, And if he does that consistently and

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Speaker 1: your team goes ten and six because you lost the

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Speaker 1: majority of these coin flip games because you're a kicker missed,

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Speaker 1: or because something happened defensively, I don't think voters are

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Speaker 1: going to penalize quarterbacks for that. And I understand that

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Speaker 1: value is somewhat indicative in wins, but wins are not

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Speaker 1: a quarterback stat I think there's a distinct difference between

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Speaker 1: who the most valuable player is and who the best

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Speaker 1: team is when you're talking about so many players on

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Speaker 1: a team, and I think I don't think Kyler Murray's

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Speaker 1: there yet because individually he's not at that level. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think a ten win team would not have

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Speaker 1: an MVP quarterback if that player deserves it. We'll see, Kyle.

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Speaker 1: I know most of the fifty man voting roster, and

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Speaker 1: they age range more towards where I am than where

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Speaker 1: you are, and I think some of them are forward thinking,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not one hundred percent sure all of them. Well,

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Speaker 1: they got Lamar Jackson, right, So yeah, that's true. They

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Speaker 1: won fourteen games. Though, I'm trying to figure out if

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Speaker 1: I should be offended by that for thinking comment or not.

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Speaker 1: I'll get back to you on that as someone who's

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Speaker 1: not in Kyle's age demo either, am I I've never

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Speaker 1: said age? Yeah, let me ask you, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what are you saying? I'm not Paully progressive over here?

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Speaker 1: What are we saying? Okay, look, here's my question. As

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Speaker 1: as we get this, there's only one downside to a

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Speaker 1: winning team, a playoff team, a team that's the Darling

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Speaker 1: and Network TV, and that is the night games when

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Speaker 1: you do morning radio. So you tell me what are

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Speaker 1: the odds over the last month of the season or

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Speaker 1: so that the Cardinals might be flexed into some more

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Speaker 1: primetime games? Is that a distinct possibility here? Well, let's

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Speaker 1: let's start. I just want to let you know, Paul,

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Speaker 1: three ten three ten am is the approximate landing time

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Speaker 1: from Seattle on Friday morning. Just want to translation zero

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Speaker 1: sleep continue. I don't let Kyle handle this one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if they have the matchups, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Patriots are still a draw. For example,

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants. I mean, I know it's the

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Speaker 1: New York market, obviously, the Giants are I love the

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Speaker 1: headline last week where Fox's NFL ratings are down six

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Speaker 1: percent and a senior VP one of the suits for

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Speaker 1: Fox TV blamed it on the NFC East because the

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Speaker 1: NFC is so bad and they have so many big

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Speaker 1: markets that it's killing Fox's TV ratings this year. And

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Speaker 1: I think I saw a viewership number where like still

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Speaker 1: the most few game was an Eagles Cowboys game when

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Speaker 1: they were both far under five hundred. So that works

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Speaker 1: against the Cardinals getting flexed. But I think the fact

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Speaker 1: that they're good, I mean, you've got games against the

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Speaker 1: Rams coming up that could be very important. They got

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Speaker 1: a game against you know, the Patriots. There's there's some

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Speaker 1: big games left on the schedule that could mean a lot.

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Speaker 1: So who knows that, but I think there's a chance,

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Speaker 1: depending on how things shake out. If they're right in

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Speaker 1: that mix and you're playing the Rams for the division

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Speaker 1: title or something in the last game, then it's possible. Cole,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. When the Eagles

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Speaker 1: played the Cowboys on that most viewed thing that was

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Speaker 1: for first place in the NFC East. I mean, like

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Speaker 1: I said, yeah, well, you're right on the Rams though,

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Speaker 1: because the number two TV market and the Rams. Right now,

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Speaker 1: obviously there's a three way tie top of the division,

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Speaker 1: Cardinals having the number one total offense, Rams have number

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Speaker 1: two total defense. So there's a lot to like in

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Speaker 1: that matchup. There's no doubt about it. Cliff Kingsbury and

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay. So yeah, i'd say that's on the radar,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. Well, once again, gentlemen, you

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Speaker 1: know we're now we're looking ahead. We're violating the Golden

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Speaker 1: rule in the NFL. Let's take it one at a time.

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Speaker 1: There was no twenty four hour rule. There's a twelve

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Speaker 1: hour rule of celebration because you're on a short week.

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Speaker 1: That being the case, You're looking at a Seahawks team, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: that has now lost three out of four and it's

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Speaker 1: a totally different team ever since that second half against

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, and they had three picks against Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson in that game. He came in with three picks

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Speaker 1: in five games. And yeah, their defense has been wolf

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Speaker 1: all year long, but now all of a sudden, the

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Speaker 1: sea Hawks or a train wreck on offense based on

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Speaker 1: the last couple of games. Yeah, And I don't think

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Speaker 1: there should be any concerned around Russell Wilson having a

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Speaker 1: bad game or two. That's that's going to iron itself out.

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Speaker 1: And the small sample size alert right there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL and

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Speaker 1: that's not changed anytime soon. But the fact that the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals have ruined him like they ruined Jake Delone back

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Speaker 1: in the day, the hot take alert, You don't think

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Speaker 1: that that those three interceptions the second half of OT

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Speaker 1: doomed him like Jake alone. I like, how you form

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Speaker 1: it in a question, so you're not technically saying it,

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Speaker 1: so it's not technically a hot take. That's right, plausible

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Speaker 1: deniability right there. Yeah, that's fairly in your living room

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Speaker 1: literally here as we're socially distanced. Yeah, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think I think the bigger concern for the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: is defensively. They got Jamal Adams back and he has

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Speaker 1: not been very good according to Pro Football Focus in coverage,

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Speaker 1: and he made a big impact in his first game

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Speaker 1: Since then, he's been below average, and if if they're

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Speaker 1: not good with him on the field, there's no real

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Speaker 1: chance with that defense being good barring some unforeseen turnaround.

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Speaker 1: And they just gave up two first round picks for him,

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Speaker 1: so that could be a pretty bad trade if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't iron things out. But I think if you've got

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Speaker 1: one of the best quarterbacks, you're still going to have

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Speaker 1: a chance weekly. But if your defense is struggling that much,

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Speaker 1: then you can lose games too. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're quite the juggernaut people might have thought early on.

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Speaker 1: I still think they're the favorite in the NFC West

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Speaker 1: because of what's left on their schedule, but certainly the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals and the Rams are right there with them. But

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Speaker 1: if I tell you, Darren that Russell Wilson was the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks leading rusher in their last game, a loss to

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Speaker 1: the Rams twenty three sixteen, If I tell you that

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson has thrown multiple picks and consecutive games for

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Speaker 1: the first time since his rookie season. You look at

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Speaker 1: a lot of these numbers in these metrics and just

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Speaker 1: the eyeball test, and Russell Wilson and that interception he

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Speaker 1: threw in the end zone, trying to find that jump pass,

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Speaker 1: trying to find his tight end when he easily could

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Speaker 1: have run for the US down. He just looks discombobulated.

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Speaker 1: At the very least, it looks like he's trying to

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Speaker 1: do too much. I know, Russell Wilson has been the

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Speaker 1: greater racer. They've had a lot of weaknesses on a

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Speaker 1: lot of those teams, and Russell Wilson is made up

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Speaker 1: for it and then some, but it just seems like

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Speaker 1: they're so deficient in so many areas he's trying to

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Speaker 1: do too much at this point. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: pressure on Russell Wilson to do everything right there. And

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Speaker 1: you talk about the run game. They've been crushed with injuries,

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Speaker 1: and I know the Cardinals are starting to get some

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Speaker 1: important ones of their own, but you know, Jamal Adams

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Speaker 1: hasn't played well, but he's been hurt most of the

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Speaker 1: season two and Quentin Dunbar is hurting, and their secondary

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Speaker 1: is a mess. It's a mess anyways, and it's really

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Speaker 1: been a mess in terms of guys being healthy and

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Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball. Without having Chris Carson,

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Speaker 1: who's by far their best running back, they just they

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Speaker 1: don't really have a chance. And if you're Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: and you know, Okay, my defense is going to give

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Speaker 1: up thirty five points and five thousand yards a game

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Speaker 1: and my running backs are gonna gain about sixteen yards

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Speaker 1: total because we're like seven deep on the depth chart.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's tough. And you know, so I look,

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Speaker 1: I'm never gonna sit here and say Russell Wilson's got

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Speaker 1: a problem, because I know how good he can really be.

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Speaker 1: But as good Aaron Rodgers saw it, has seen it

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Speaker 1: a little bit in the past two After a while,

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Speaker 1: even if you're a great quarterback, you've got to have

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Speaker 1: some guys around you. And right now they don't have

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Speaker 1: a lot on that roster. They just don't. And when

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Speaker 1: you're adding the injuries, they really don't. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's a big problem. I ripped this straight off NFL

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Speaker 1: Live on ESPN. It was a graphic. I took a

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Speaker 1: quick picture of it. You'll like this, Kyle. Before the bye,

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks were five and oh they're now one in

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00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: three since the buy Russell Wilson's touchdown. The interception ratio

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Speaker 1: going into the buying nineteen to three coming out of

646
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: the buy in those four games, nine touchdown passes, seven picks,

647
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: and as a team, they were number one in the

648
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: NF fell in the turnover ratio plus six. They've been

649
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 1: minus five, negative five coming out of the bye in

650
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: those four games. So I don't know what didn't happen

651
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: during the bye for the Seahawks, but it's been devastating.

652
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: They're a different team right now. I think random variation

653
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: happened Paul, and I think he's not as good confidence

654
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: interval or something here are you? He's not a variation.

655
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: Wasn't that that edge rusher in the third round from

656
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: Iowa State? He's Russell Wilson's not as good as he

657
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: looked in the first five games, and he's not as

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00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: bad as he's looked in the last four. He's probably

659
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Speaker 1: the aggregate of what those two will tell you right now,

660
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: which is the third best quarterback in the NFL this season,

661
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: which is still pretty good. And that's probably about where

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Speaker 1: he ranks. And I mean, you're not gonna go to

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Cardinals are going to go to

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Speaker 1: Seattle and Russell Wilson. You can't count on a bad

665
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: game from Russell Wilson despite these recent struggles, and I

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00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: think anybody thinking that is going to be proven wrong.

667
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: So the Cardinals are gonna have their hands full defensively

668
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: against him. They've still got DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really tough matchup for a secondary

670
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: that did a pretty good job against the Bills. But

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00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the Seahawks are still a good team. They're

672
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: not quite as good as that five and old record suggested,

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00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: and even at the time, looking beyond the record, their

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00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: overall metrics did not say they were a great team.

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00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: And I still think they're a good team. But they're

676
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: just coming back down to where they should be. You

677
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: know why, you know why you gotta be worried if

678
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: you're the Cardinals about Russell Wilson is because he's clutch.

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00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: I know, Darren, No, please go, please please save it

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Speaker 1: for another edition of Cardinals Owner Ground the Office Automation.

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Speaker 1: That's an entirely that's a breakout session for Kyle after

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Speaker 1: the podcast. That's who We'll save that four okay please um.

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Speaker 1: By the way, all right, if you want to bag

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Speaker 1: on something, Kyle, all right, you're not buying my Russell

685
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: Wilson numbers. Uh, see if you can save the Seahawks

686
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: past defense at this point, because going into last week

687
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: I also saw this that they had given up almost

688
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: twenty nine hundred passing yards through eight games. And not

689
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: only is that the most right games in NFL history,

690
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: but last year the twenty nineteen Patriots and Niners allowed

691
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: fewer passing yards in sixteen games. Think about that. So

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Speaker 1: if we're looking to get the Cardinals passing game in gear,

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00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: and you guys sited earlier, then maybe Kyler Murray needs

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00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: to bolster some of his passing numbers if he wants

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00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: to go ahead and fortify his MVP candidacy. Well, guess

696
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: what this is the passing defense to do it against.

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Speaker 1: And I can comfortably agree with you there because they've

698
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: shown no signs of being a even below average past

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00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: the events. It's been pretty horrible all season, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I totally agree. I thought the Cardinals were really going

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00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: to be able to pass the ball well against Buffalo,

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00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: seeing as how they didn't have Josh Norman and they

703
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: didn't have Levi Wallace and it didn't materialize. And to me,

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna need to be able to pass

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00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: to win these types of games. As Darren said, you

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00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: needed that Heymry with two seconds left to beat the Bills.

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00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you move the ball pretty decently and in

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00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: most games you're probably gonna do better in the red zone.

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Speaker 1: But no, I mean they ran the ball unbelievably well

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Speaker 1: in this game and they still didn't control it completely

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Speaker 1: because the passing game wasn't there. And I know I'm

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00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: a broken record, but passing is what is the name

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00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: of the game in the NFL. And I think the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: if they can get top ten in the NFL and

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00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: passing to go with this insanely efficient rushing offense, then

716
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: you're really cooking with gas there. But they have to

717
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: be able to show that in the last seven games.

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00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: The Seahawks can get William Wallace right now, and I

719
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: don't think they can make much of a difference. They

720
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: were missing their top two cornerbacks, I know against the Rams,

721
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: missing their top two running backs, as Darren said, without

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Speaker 1: their starting center. I mean, not only are they talent efficient,

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00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: but they've had a lot of injuries. How about the

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00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: Cardinals secondary though, real quick, Darren, and we're talking about

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Speaker 1: pass coverage and the fact they got bodies back and

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00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,959
Speaker 1: starters back, and they had interceptions the show board against

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Yeah, and that was such a huge thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the difference back to back weeks in terms

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00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: of how the secondary went. And look, Josh Allen and

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00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: the Bills did some things through the air in the

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00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 1: first half, but they clamped out enough that they kept

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Speaker 1: the Bills within spitting distance, which was important. And having

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00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson played fairly well. I mean he could had

734
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: three picks in that game, and that one that he

735
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: did make was was that was a nice play. Drake ker.

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Speaker 1: Patrick's interception I thought was excellent and I think he

737
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: flashed a little bit more of what they were hoping

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Speaker 1: to get. Now he's got to stay healthy. He was

739
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: dealing with a thigh injury. Now he's got a hamstring.

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Speaker 1: And again on these short weeks, you just don't know.

741
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: You can't teams can't sign anybody to play on a

742
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: week to week basis because of COVID. I mean, they

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00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,479
Speaker 1: anybody the Cardinals or the Seahawks used Thursday night, they're

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00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: already there, whether it's on the fifty three man roster

745
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: or your practice squad, and you got to figure out

746
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: some things and you know when, as we were accord

747
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: this early in the week, the initial injury report for

748
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: both teams was incredibly long. And that doesn't necessarily mean

749
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: all these guys are gonna miss Thursday's game because it

750
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: is early in the week and they did both just

751
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: play games. But you gotta wonder about both these teams,

752
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: about key guys and whether they're going to be in

753
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: there or not. Let me let me tell you, and

754
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: you're right, the injury report is another podcast on to itself.

755
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: There's there's no doubt about that. And it was good

756
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: to see Buddha Baker out there playing very well, even

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00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: though he had the tricky groin. According to Craig Griel,

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00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: that was a solid line in the pregame show. I

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00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: enjoyed that. I spit up my coffee in the car

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00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: on the commute in. But what about the fact that

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00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake, that Kenyan Drake was out there. Now, I

762
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: know he had to fumble and all that could have

763
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: been an utter disaster and it was cost so there's

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00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But just the fact Kyle, that

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00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: Kenny and Drake was out there and had one hundred

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Speaker 1: yard rushing game after three and we saw him getting

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00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: carted off. That was remarkable. Yeah, and he I mean

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00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: he practiced every day Wednesday, Thursday, Friday heading up to

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00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: the game, and usually when you do that, you feel

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00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: really good about somebody's chances of playing. And I was

771
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: still kind of iffy, like, are they just trying to

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00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: pretend like he's going to play to get Buffalo changing

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00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: up their strategy. But he played and he looked good.

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00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't show any ill effects of that.

775
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: And having an explosive Kenny and Drake who is running

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00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: north and south, I think is a big difference. We

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00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: saw Chase Edmonds in the game against Miami when he

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00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: had to do it himself, and he did not look

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00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: as explosive as he did last week and prior because

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00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: he had to play every single snap, and for a

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00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: guy his size and for any running back to get

782
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: that many touches and to play that much, it's just

783
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: a pounding physically and conditioning wise. So I think it

784
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: works really well for them to have both of those guys.

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00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: And you look at the snap count, Chase Edmonds and

786
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Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake were practically fifty fifty in this game, and

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Speaker 1: it was a great duo when one guy was a

788
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: little bit tired, you use the other one. They're used

789
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: in a little bit different ways depending on what you're

790
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: doing and down in distance. But I think having Kenyan

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Speaker 1: Drake back is big, especially the way he played. Like

792
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: you said, he had the fumble, but he was running

793
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 1: decisively and showed a nice burst. And that's our segue

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Speaker 1: to what happened the last time the Cardinals went to Seattle.

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Speaker 1: As we wrap up this edition of Cardinals Underground presented

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Speaker 1: by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: we all remember that, everybody now. As a team, the

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00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: Cardinals ran at forty times for two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: three yards on the ground. It was a dominating rushing

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00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: performance in weeks sixteen year ago. The big difference because

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00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: the Cardinals won five the last six in Seattle. Isn't

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00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: that correct, Darren? Am I close on that. That sounds

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00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: about right. Yes, at least that's what I trolled the

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00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: twelves with here recently. I mean, the the only time

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00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: they lost was a last second field goal and Steve

806
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: Wilkes's year, and they almost won that game. That's right,

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Speaker 1: But there's no fans this time, and we know we've

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00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: all been up there, and I can tell you from

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00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: the sideline the cardinals, they feed off the twelves and

810
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: that energy and the intensity and hatred and us against

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Speaker 1: the world, and that won't be there. It's gonna be

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00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: just like New York and MetLife Stadium zero fans. It's

813
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: funny you bring up Seattle and the big story about

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Speaker 1: the last time they went up there, because I thought,

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Speaker 1: for sure, Paul, you were going to mention the fact

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00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray got hurt and they had to bring

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00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: in the backup quarterback, which was Brett Hunley, and I

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00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: thought you were going to use that as some springboard

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Speaker 1: to get more Chris Struggler. Well you know what, Okay,

820
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: mandatory level or you're right, let's call an audible here

821
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: real quick. Remember Lev, and I could call him Lev,

822
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: because I think we're on that kind of basis right now.

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00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: Even though even though I've still yet to officially chopping

824
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: up with Struggler, I mean, because of COVID and the pandemic,

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00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: I haven't really actually had a one on one with him,

826
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: which is unbelievable. But anyway, remember Brett Humley after that drive,

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Speaker 1: that touchdown drive where he had two glorious runs where

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00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: he did not get out of bounds. He turned and

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Speaker 1: took a bow, literally took a bow and almost a

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00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: curtsey towards the cardinal sideline and then everybody lost it

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Speaker 1: and I ended up being the game when he touchdown drive. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be interesting to see again how

833
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: they match up, you know, not having the fans, that's important.

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Speaker 1: Short week with the injuries, I mean we haven't even

835
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: touched on Corey Peters might be out maybe for the season.

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Speaker 1: We'll see as a knee injuries. Certainly doesn't isn't gonna

837
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: play this week, and that's a loss you lose. And

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Speaker 1: when you talk about no fans and getting yourself pumped up,

839
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Speaker 1: Corey Peters is a guy that I would think, Hey,

840
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 1: that's a guy you want in front of the team

841
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: saying guys, we have to focus here. And now you

842
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: might not have that. Um you know, it's in a

843
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: night game. I mean, it is going to be a

844
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Speaker 1: national TV. But that's that place is gonna be eerie

845
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: at night quite frankly, looking out on the skyline with

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00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: no fans in there, what's that going to be like? Yeah,

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00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: it might. Am I the only one of us three

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Speaker 1: who thinks it's actually a good thing that there's no fans.

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00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: Oh No, that's a good thing. It's absolutely good thing.

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Speaker 1: Is happy yet? How so? How so, Kyle, go ahead?

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Speaker 1: I mean, sure, I guess you can do the US

852
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Speaker 1: against the world. But Aaron wrote a good blog last week.

853
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: I think about how there is basically no more home

854
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: field advantage without fans, and having the noise at home

855
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: is a huge advantage as we've seen. I mean, you

856
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: basically get three points on these betting lines depending on

857
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: the location because of the fans, because of the home

858
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: field advantage. So you're taking away a field goal difference

859
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: without fans. And it's been kind of weird that the

860
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: Cardinals have won up there all the seasons, and certainly

861
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: sticking it to rabid fans is a good thing. But

862
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: if you give a team the option on the road,

863
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: I would think they would always rather play without fans

864
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: because your communication is better and it's just a lot

865
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: less imposing in that situation. Well, to be fair, Kyle,

866
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: I know kind of where Paul's going with this, because

867
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: he just he kind of assumes the Cardinals winning up

868
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: in Seattle now with all those fans, and he wants

869
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: to give him one of those Carson Palmer, you know

870
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: one of those gestures there, you remember the gesture, Yeah,

871
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right line with a Blake shot. We

872
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: can't totally tell you in detail about that, but yes,

873
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: there wasn't jest, which to this day Carson still says

874
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: he was. He was. That was intended for his brother

875
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: and a buddy up in the stands because I saw him,

876
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: but he was doing it, That's what he said. So look,

877
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: you know the positive, okay, the positive of no fans,

878
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: You're right, Kyle, is that you don't have to worry

879
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: about silent count, either in the game or preparing for it.

880
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: You don't have to practice it all week. Cliff Kingsbury

881
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: told us after the Jets game that there were times

882
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: where he yelled out directions to his own receivers, which

883
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: would never happen if the stadium was full when the

884
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: opponent has the ball. So there are advantages there. I

885
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: think the disadvantage is if knock on Wood, you get

886
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: a game like Carolina where there's no fans of feed

887
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: off of and there's zero energy and intensity, and after

888
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: the game guys say, well, we were kind of flat

889
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: and it was hard to get up because there's nothing there.

890
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: And so that's my fear. I'm hoping and praying, and

891
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals are past that that they're aware

892
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: you have to byoe bring your own energy. But to me,

893
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: that's a real thing. I know you can't quantify that

894
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: with numbers, but it is a real thing in terms

895
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: of the physicality of the game. And that's where the

896
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: Cardinals have gone up there. And one guys to me

897
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: is they've gone up there and they've been every bit

898
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: as physical, if not more than some of those Seattle

899
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: teams that were known for that physicality, with the likes

900
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: of Marshawn Lynch and the Bobby Wagner in his prime,

901
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: and you know, you know Cliff April coming off the

902
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: edge and Frank Clark. I mean, those guys were ferocious.

903
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: And so we'll see, we'll see if the physicality is

904
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: there without the fans. There's definitely been a lot of

905
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: great games, and you know, the last few years the

906
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: Cardinals have been super competitive and one sum and they

907
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: didn't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme, and

908
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: for this one to be such a big deal in

909
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: the division. If you beat the Seahawks up there, you

910
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: wrap up the head to head, you're a game ahead

911
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: in the stand, you're ostensibly two games ahead because of

912
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: the tiebreaker, and you're in a great spot to finish

913
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: ahead of Seattle, even though Seattle's schedule is easier. So

914
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, if they can pull off this upset, they're

915
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: sitting pretty. But it's it's a tough task going up

916
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: there against a team that's talented. So we'll see what happens.

917
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: But the Cardinals aren't done in the division if they lose,

918
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: but if they win, you're really talking about being in

919
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: a good spot for those final six games. And I'll

920
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: be honest, Paul. You know, with all that riding on

921
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: the line, what Kyle just talked about, you know, I

922
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 1: don't You may be right, they might not be able

923
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: to generate that without the crowd, but I don't want

924
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: to hear it. I mean, if you're truly a contending team,

925
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: and you're the team that you keep saying you are,

926
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: that's that's a bunch of who we in terms of oh,

927
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: we don't have fans, we can't generate it ourselves. I mean,

928
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: I don't get that I won't understand it. I guess

929
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: I understood a little bit more earlier in the year,

930
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: and I truly believe while they came out flat in Carolina,

931
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: I think that game. I would have liked to see

932
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: that game with Buddha Baker and see how much of

933
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: it was not having the energy and how much of

934
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: it was not having their guy in the secondary, and

935
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: that's safety problem. Yeah, I agree that there is no legitimate,

936
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: viable excuse. It's for first place, it's your arch rival,

937
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: you're our national TV. There should be plenty of ammunition

938
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: right there to come out just like you did a

939
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: year ago when you went out there and set the

940
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 1: tone for four quarters and one going away playing half

941
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: the game with your backup quarterback. I agree, but I

942
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: am curious because it's so new in such a different

943
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: element up there in Seattle without the fans, and they're

944
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: gonna do it with a defensive line room. Let's face

945
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: it isn't exactly going to be on a first name

946
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: basis of anyone. I mean, you got what you have,

947
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: Josh Morrow, you have come on, Paul Angela Blackson. I'm

948
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: looking for my flip card as we speak. Chael Dogbell

949
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: come up from the practice squad. Somebody, what about Lecky

950
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: Foeto or Sean Lawrence one of the injured rookies. Where

951
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: do we stand there? Well, Lawrence has been back in practice,

952
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: so there would be a chance. I guess they could

953
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: activate him, not that I've heard anything yet. And Lecky

954
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: Foto just went on I R So he's not available.

955
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: M sweet dig Frosty Rucker and Corey Redding at her retirement.

956
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: That's good, that's good. Absolutely, you know where's Calais? Yeah,

957
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: you're right, Yeah, Eric Swan's available, Oh man Swanni. Okay,

958
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: that's uh. And Rice might play see me, yeah, see

959
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: me and Rice. He'd be too busy writing tracks for

960
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: his next album on the on the bench, so you're

961
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: not trying to get in the Hall of Fame, you Yeah,

962
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: those are some all time personalities, by the way, yet

963
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: there's no question about that, So okay, all right, well,

964
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: uh you know, well, uh, we'll leave it there on

965
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: Cardinal's underground, remember in the immortal words of Craig Grila,

966
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: because I know he listens, and we'll see if he

967
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: listens all the way to the very end. Groins are tricky.

968
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time m