1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Dowdy and I'm to bling a chalklate boarding, 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: and we've been talking about our favorite historical finds of eleven, 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: all of the cool history related news stories that really 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: caught our eye, and that also played into some of 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: the themes that we've talked about a lot on the 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: podcast this year. Yeah, we've been talking about things that 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: we're actually unearthed as inver brought to the surface, and 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: also things that just there were new findings about something 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: that was discovered a while back, new discoveries made. And 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: some of the themes we're going to hit on today 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: include shipwrecks, which I know we talked about quite a 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: bit this spring, art which we're kind of always throwing 15 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: in the random art history episode, and uh, wine and 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: beer too, which we did a two party this summer. 17 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: It was a real it was a real summer kind 18 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: of episode. It was on historical wine, historical beer, even 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: some mead thrown in there. So we're going to talk 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: about news stories related to those things today and um, 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: just let you know kind of that history keeps on 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: chugging too. People keep on making discoveries, and the news 23 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: really figures into our podcasts a lot more than some 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: people might expect it does. And first off, we're going 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: to start out with another great pirate story that I 26 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: know people always love to hear more about, no matter 27 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: how much you already know about it. And it's a 28 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: follow up on an episode that we actually did a 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Well, not me personally, some of 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: my esteemed colleagues, black Beard and his flagship the Queen 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: Anne's Revenge, which ran aground near Beaufort, North Carolina in 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen. As you already know from the earlier podcast, 33 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: because of course you've listened to it. The shipwreck itself 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: is not a new find. We even had a listener 35 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: who worked on conserving its artifacts right in But one 36 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: of the coolest pieces of listener mail I think I've 37 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: ever gotten it is But what is really big news 38 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: for this year is that the North Carolina Department of 39 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: Cultural Resources has come out and said that the ship 40 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: that most folks thought was probably the Queen Anne's Revenge 41 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: is definitely the Queen Anne's Revenge. So we'll give you 42 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of background on the ship. The reck 43 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: site was found back in nineteen and it was under 44 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: only twenty five ft of water in less than a 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: mile and a half from Sure So it sounds like 46 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: under those conditions it might be easy to excavate. That 47 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: was not the case at all. Bad weather, a little visibility, 48 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: difficult funding. All of these things have made excavating the 49 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: site really slow going, and currently archaeologist since that is 50 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: believed that they have found or cataloged about half of 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: the site, which is enough to finally feel confident in 52 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: labeling it Blackbeard's famous pirate ship, fortunately in time for 53 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: a major exhibition of its artifacts. But why did they 54 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: decide that they were confident calling it the queen ans 55 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: Revenge after years of saying it's probably the queen ans Revenge. Well, 56 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: there are a few reasons. First of all, its size, 57 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: The Queen Anne's Revenge was a big ship, a former 58 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: French labor called law Concord. Its approximate date was another thing. 59 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: Archaeologists have found a bell on board labeled seventeen oh five. 60 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: Another clue was its location. It's right where black beard 61 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: ship should be, and there weren't other large ships known 62 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: to have sunk in that area. But maybe most importantly 63 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: is the weaponry that they found on board. This is 64 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: a big one. There's an astonishing number of weapons aboard 65 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: this wreck. And just this October, for instance, divers pulled 66 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: out the thirteen cannon from the wreck. Of the other 67 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: twelve cannons that they found so far four have been loaded, 68 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: so like in the middle of a battle or something 69 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: ready to go. But according to Wendy Welsh, who is 70 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: the manager of the Queen Anne's Revenge Conservation Laboratory in Greenville, 71 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: North Carolina, who spoke with the Smithsonians before the big 72 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: announcement was made, she said, quote, We're not going to 73 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: find anything that says Queen Anne's Revenge or black Beard 74 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: was here. You have to use all these little clues. 75 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: Although I do like the idea of finding some sort 76 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: of black Beard was here. It was filled with a 77 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: z or something exactly. But when the announcement came out, 78 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: Claire Obell, who is the public relations coordinator for the 79 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: North Carolina Maritime Museum, really still echoed that sentiment of 80 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: Wendy Well. She was quoted in National Geographic News saying 81 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: there was not one moment there was a collection of 82 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: moments in a deduction based on the evidence. So they've 83 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: been compiling all this stuff for years and years after 84 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: repeated dives in lots of study, and finally felt competent 85 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: to say, yes, this is black Beard ship. It took 86 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: a long time to analyze that evidence though, after the 87 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: dives to pull out artifacts. Corroded items like cannons require 88 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: about five years in a chemical bath to gradually remove 89 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: their thick marine life crust, which seems like a really 90 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: long way for me. You just want to figure out 91 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 1: what it is. And apparently if you just chip away 92 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: at it or something, you if it's something like a cannon, 93 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: maybe it won't break. But if it is maybe glass underneath, 94 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: you chip away at that marine life crust and you 95 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: break the glass underneath and you don't have anything anymore. 96 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: So you have to just gradually eat away at it. 97 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: And apparently some of these items too, are so thickly 98 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: covered in this crust you'd have no idea what they 99 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: are underneath until you until you get down to it. 100 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: There's one other cool find though, from the now official 101 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: Queen Anne Revenge wreck, and that is some insight into 102 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: terroristic pirate tactics and this stuff really kind of shocked me. 103 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: So while trying to recover a three thousand pound anchor 104 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: from the ship, archaeologists from North Carolina's Department of Cultural 105 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: Resources found these three metallic clusters in a small area 106 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: of the seabed that surrounded the wreck. And the clusters 107 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: contained residue like nails and glass and lead shot and 108 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: they're believed to have been fired contained in canvas bags 109 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: out of cannon, so they would just spray everywhere, kind 110 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: of like a street sweeper pirate. Addition, and according to 111 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: Discovery News, the expedition's leader, Mark Wild Ramsing, who's the 112 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: deputy State Archaeologists, said quote, as with all pirates, Blackbeard 113 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: did not want to sink merchant ships, but to scare 114 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: them into giving up shooting bolts and scrap lead, iron, 115 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: and glass would have been very effective. Indeed, so our 116 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: next find is a little bit on the lighter side, 117 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: the more artistic side. The roof Ignat caves in the 118 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: Dordogna region of France have long been known as a 119 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: prime site for cave art. As in modern art, there 120 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: are different ancient art styles and mediums. One type is 121 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: called finger flutings and it's done by running the fingers 122 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: over soft clay, so the roof and nac caves are 123 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: filled with thirteen thousand year old finger flutings. Some are 124 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: just pretty swirls and lines, and others look like recognizable 125 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: shapes huts for instance. But the big news in cave 126 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: art in Tleven is that many of the roofing nat 127 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: cave systems finger flutings were made by kids. So back 128 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: in two thousand six, Walden University researcher Leslie van Gelder 129 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: and her late husband Kevin Sharp, came up with this 130 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: technique to measure the finger flutings and determine the age 131 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: and the sex of the artists who made them. And 132 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: age determination doesn't really work for adults because the measurement 133 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: is based on hand size, specifically the width of the pointer, 134 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: middle and ring fingers, and of course that can vary 135 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: a lot between adults who are all the same age potentially, 136 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: but for kids it's a lot more standard. I guess 137 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: kids have more similarly shaped hands, and flutings under thirty 138 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: four millimeters are believed to have been made by children 139 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: under the age of seven, and they can even break 140 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: it down further than that, so these are made by 141 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: two or three year olds stuff like that, and gender 142 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: can be determined by the fingertip shape. And most of 143 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: these just look like lines, but if you google a 144 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: picture of them or something, you'll see there are clear 145 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: end points where the fingertips are are visible. This year, 146 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: Van Gelder and the University of Cambridge archaeologist Jessica Cooney 147 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: measured many of the case flutings and determined according to 148 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: history dot com, but kids worked in almost every chamber 149 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: in the complex, even those quite far from the system's 150 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: entering about like a forty five minute walk through a cave, 151 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: so pretty deep in there, and the most prolific artist 152 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: was likely a five year old girl. One room had 153 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: so much child made finger painting it was described as 154 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: a quote playpen. But the cutest thing about this discovery, 155 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: in my opinion, is that many of the flutings were 156 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: well over the heads of small children. You know, they 157 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: were on the roof of the cave, if you could 158 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: put it that way, which of course suggests that adults 159 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: lifted the kids to help them do their art, and 160 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: obviously took a more forgiving stance on drawing on the 161 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: walls thirteen thousand years ago than they than they might today, 162 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: we have another interesting art history find for you. Though. 163 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: While children in France were finger fluting with their adult 164 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: care givers, an ice age hunter in what is today 165 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: Florida was carving animal pictures into bone. In two thousand 166 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: six or two thousand seven, a fossil hunter named James 167 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: Kennedy picked up a find on Vera Beach. He didn't 168 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: think much of it and word it under his sink 169 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: until two thousand nine, when he finally cleaned it off 170 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: and found an etching of a mammoth. So now, in 171 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, the carving has been authenticated, reported as 172 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: real in thirteen thousand to twenty thousand years old in 173 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: the Journal of Archaeological Science. Not that everyone was easily 174 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: convinced about that, though, no, not at all. According to 175 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: National Geographic News, the study leader, Barbara Party of the 176 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: University of Florida, started researching on the assumption that the 177 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: thing was fake, but tests and analyzes eventually convinced her 178 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: that it was real, and she even showed a little 179 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: hesitation even after the paper and everything. She said, quote, 180 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: you always have some lingering doubt since there's no way 181 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: to get an actual date on the bone or the 182 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: actual in sizing. The only way we're going to really, 183 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: really really prove it's authentic is to do some excavations 184 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: and see if perhaps there are additional specimens. But barring 185 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: further investigations, how did research your is come to the 186 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: conclusion that the finding was not a fraud? Because we 187 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: have talked about historical hope this year too, and it 188 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: did um I could easily understand how somebody would think 189 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: this would be right fraud. Well, first of all, they 190 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: authenticated the bone. It belonged to a mammoth, masted on 191 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: or a giant sloth, all of which were extinct in 192 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: Florida by the end of the last ice Age, so 193 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: that was one thing. They also determined that the etching 194 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: had aged at the same rate as the rest of 195 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: the bone, so it wasn't like it was just scratched 196 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: out with a metal. We found an old bone and 197 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: then and then rub some dirt in it or something 198 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: to make it lookal. The study was done with optical 199 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: and electron microscope, so they're pretty convinced of at least 200 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: those two things, and they might really go do some 201 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: more excavations of the beach to see what else is 202 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: in this area. We have one more art history ancient 203 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: art history entry for you on this list, and we 204 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: have to consider that modern art is really pretty relative. 205 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: I know there's capital modern art, but um, in a 206 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: broader sense, it's very relative because compared to this find, 207 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: the finger flutings or the carvings of thirteen thousand years 208 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: ago would really be pretty recent stuff. This fall, a 209 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: study was published in the journal Science, detailing the fines 210 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: of study leader Christopher Henschelwood, an archaeologist at the University 211 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: of Bergen in Norway and the University of the woodwaters 212 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: Rand in South Africa. He and his team found ancient 213 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: paint residue and one hundred thousand year old abalone shells 214 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: from Blombous Cave near Still Bay, South Africa. The still 215 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: bright red pigment contained ochre charcoal, crushed seal bones, court 216 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: site chips, and some kind of liquid. The Arts Studio 217 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: label came from other items that were found along with 218 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: the paint, though grindstones, hammerstones of fire pit, and animal 219 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: bones that would have been used as a means to 220 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: transfer the paint, which I was imagining with kind of 221 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: like a paint knife. Yeah, maybe something like that. So, yeah, 222 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: we have our oldest known arts studio here. But one 223 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: cool side note on this. It's not just a sign 224 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: of serious interest in art one hundred thousand years ago, 225 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: but it's also it also shows an early understanding of chemistry. 226 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: So according to Henschelwood and National Geographic News, he said quote, 227 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: they seem to know that sealbone is really rich in 228 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: oil and fat, which is a critical component in making 229 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: a paint like substance. They also need to add charcoal 230 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: to the mixture to bind and stabilize it, and a 231 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: little bit of fluid which could have been water or 232 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: seawater or urine. So there you go, um, a possible 233 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: twist to this ancient art studio. I still think that's um. 234 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool though, especially that the pigment is still bright. 235 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: That was something that stood out to me. You think 236 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: of even paintings from the Renaissance, they get their sort 237 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: of faded look sometime where we were talking about Van 238 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: Gogh recently, and some of his bright, bright colors have 239 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: gone off because he strapped them a little bit with 240 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: other components that haven't aged as well. But apparently this 241 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: mixture is a surefire way if you want your your 242 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: art to remain as vibrant as ever, it does make 243 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: you interested in the chemistry at it. Next that we're 244 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: going to move on to a very different kind of concoction. 245 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: In January, in the Journal of Archaeological Science, an international 246 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: research team including Armenian, Us and Irish archaeologists announced that 247 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: they discovered the world's oldest winery in an Armenian cave. 248 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: Up until then, the oldest known winery was in Israel 249 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: and dated back to sixteen fifty b C. And this 250 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: new discovery took place on the same site as one 251 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: of last year's unearthed the unearthed in twenty ten entries 252 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: and that was the world's oldest shoe, which I think 253 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: was I don't know. I'll speak for myself. I think 254 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: it might have been my favorite. Well had the world's 255 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: best quote, but went along with the one about the 256 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: woman being so excited to find a shoe and how 257 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: that had been a goal her whole live dream. If 258 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: you haven't heard that episode, go back at us and 259 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: into it because it's funny. So there must be something 260 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: about that spot. But wine production artifacts found here include 261 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: simple Want a simple wine press, fermentation vats with residue 262 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: storage jars, remnants of grape vines and seeds, and a 263 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: small cup that might have been used to sample the wine. 264 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: And researchers used radio carbon analysis to date all this 265 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: stuff back to about BC and four thousand BC, so 266 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: about six thousand years ago. Still, the researchers say that 267 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: the press and a wide, shallow vat resemble foot stomping 268 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: equipment used for wine making and the Caucuses and the 269 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: Mediterranean as recently as the nineteenth century. So it's again 270 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: technology paint. We're talking about things that really last ohile. 271 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: But we also and we talked about this sum in 272 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: our Historical Wine and Spirits episode, we have to wonder 273 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: what was this early wine like like, what would it 274 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: have tasted like? And analysis of the residue, and of 275 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: course the remnants that were found lying around indicate that 276 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: grapes were used to make the wine rather than pomegranates 277 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: or some other kind of fruit. Gregory Rishian, who is 278 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: the co director of the excavation and the assistant director 279 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: of the University of California, Los Angeles Cotson Institute of Archaeology, 280 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: told CNN that the wine that was being made there 281 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: would be similar to a modern, unfiltered red wine and 282 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: probably tasted something like a merlot, so not too bad. 283 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: We don't know too much about the people who were 284 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: making this wine, but they may have been predecessors to 285 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: the current access people in early Transcaucasian group. We do 286 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: know that they weren't drinking just for the sake of drinking, though, 287 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: they weren't just drinking to get drunk or something. Since 288 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: the cave winery was found near a cemetery site, researchers 289 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: think that it was actually used for ceremonial purposes, probably 290 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: playing apart in funerals. And Dr Patrick McGovern who we 291 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: mentioned quite a bit in our earlier episodes. He's a 292 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: senior search scientists at the University of Pennsylvania Museum. He 293 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: told CNN that the find is quote an important link 294 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: in the development of wine culture throughout the region, and 295 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: Arisian wants to try to reconstruct the entire press, the 296 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: entire process, to see what the wine would have really 297 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: tasted like and what people would have gone through in 298 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: making it. So, you know, this year we talked about 299 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: dog fish heads, recreations of these ancient beers, ancient mead, 300 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Maybe maybe in another year we'll 301 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: be talking about recreation of ancient wine yes a similar 302 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: find along these lines. In June, archaeologists revealed that they 303 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: had found evidence in France's Provence region of the country's 304 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: oldest known brewing operation, which is probably also one of 305 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: the oldest in all of Europe. The brewing operation is 306 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: essentially a home brewery from the Iron Age, which was 307 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: about two thousand, five hundred years ago, and that was 308 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: discovered by archaeologist Laurent Boubet from France's National Center for 309 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: Scientific Research and to his colleagues. The researchers got their 310 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: findings by analyzing three different sediment samples from the site 311 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: of a fifth century b c. House in southeastern France 312 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: that had been excavated in the nineteen nineties. They took 313 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: these samples from the floor near the hearth of the house, 314 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: a ceramic vessel, and a pit near some other containers 315 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: that were there, and all of the samples contained carbonized 316 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: barley that somebody had sprouted on purpose. And they were 317 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: able to tell that because the barley seemed like it 318 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: had been sorted really well. There were no weed seeds 319 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: that were present, and it didn't seem to the researchers 320 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: like the present where the sprouting was accidental. They don't 321 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: know what the spear tasted like, but they think that 322 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 1: the brewing process wasn't all that different from modern home brewing. 323 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: They probably soaked to the grain, spread it out in 324 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: a flat area like the floor, dried it in the oven, 325 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: ground it, and then put it in containers for fermentation 326 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: and storage. Researchers are still trying to determine how this 327 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: fits into a life in Iron Age Europe. Wine was 328 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: already popular there at the time, but people of Celtic 329 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 1: heritage had settled in this region of France during this 330 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: time and they liked beer, so it's possible that they 331 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: could have traded amongst themselves. Makes sense. I actually just 332 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: started reading a book about the history of food, and 333 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: this story especially was really interesting to me because it 334 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: talks about how people might have figured out the fermentation 335 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: process or the distillation process later things like that, even 336 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: how people might have figured out that you can boil 337 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: your food stuff like that. It's it's cool to consider 338 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: how we got to where we are today. Well, I 339 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: think talking about food and beer and wine is a 340 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: great way to kind of finish off this year end 341 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: episode that we're doing here. Don't you do. It's kind 342 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: of cheers to two thousand eleven and all the discoveries 343 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: that were made, and looking forward to much more in 344 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve to kind of spur us along in 345 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: our own research. And with that, we're going to move 346 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: on to another mega edition of Listener Mail and share 347 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of bunch more emails, letters and postcards and 348 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: things related to episodes that we've done recently. We want 349 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: to start off with kind of an example of when 350 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: we do a podcast on recent history, it's nice because 351 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: people have experienced it or been a part of it, 352 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: and they write in to tell us about that, and 353 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: we really appreciate it. And so I have one here 354 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: to share with you regarding our polio episode, and it's 355 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: from Rick and Arizona, and he says, your recent podcast 356 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: on polio and the development of the polio vaccine as 357 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 1: a subject I know well. I was part of the 358 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: test group for the Salk vaccine. I was in the 359 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: second grade at the time. We were called the Polio Pioneers. 360 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: At the time, I had a little understanding of the 361 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: severity of the problem, but I can recall pictures of 362 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: hospital wards lined with iron lungs. Seeing that people were 363 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: in them was frightening to a child. The initial vaccine 364 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: was a series of seven shots over a period of time. 365 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: Like most children, I hated needles and the idea of 366 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: getting seven shots didn't set very well with any of us. 367 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: Looking back, I was lucky I received the vaccine, not 368 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: the placebo. Some of my friends had to go back 369 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: for the real thing when the test was concluded so 370 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: that they would be properly immunized. Today, we're very lucky 371 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: the ravages of that horrible disease are behind us. And 372 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: we did hear from quite a few people who had 373 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: family members or they remembered as kids the polios are 374 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: going on. It was one that brought out a lot 375 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: of personal recollections for sure. Yeah, So thanks Rick, and 376 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: thanks everyone who shared those stories with us. We also 377 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: hear from quite a few listeners who used the podcast 378 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: for educational purposes, and one of our proudest moments i'd 379 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: say this year was you guys voted for us for 380 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: the Podcast Awards in the Education category, So we thought 381 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: it would be fitting to share a few of those um. 382 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: One is Froom Jenna. She wrote us to say that 383 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: she had decided to go back and get her doctorate 384 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: in American history after you're listening to a bunch of 385 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: podcasts about American history and deciding she wanted to pursue 386 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: it in a format a little longer than you know, 387 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: the twenty minute Jim exercise or car ride or whatever. 388 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: So cuds to you, Jenna, that's pretty awesome. We have 389 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: a similar one from Kimberly and Arkansas. And she talks 390 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: about how she used to use the podcast in her 391 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: English classroom and that kind of helped them When she 392 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: was a Quizble sponsor. She said, I even encouraged my 393 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: team to listen to the various stuff podcasts in preparation. 394 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: Perhaps you were part of the reason we won first 395 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: place in our district. Then she goes on to say, 396 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: stuff you missed in history class reawoke a passion for 397 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: history I had let go when I decided to focus 398 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: on teaching English. Thanks to you, I tested. I decided 399 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: to test into History certification. I listened to your podcast 400 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: as part of my study regimen for the practice exam 401 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: the exam teachers must take to prove they are qualified 402 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: to teach a subject. Although I can't give you, guys, 403 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: all the credit. There were more than a couple of 404 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: questions I recognized from previous podcasts, and only from previous podcasts. 405 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: So so she's now pursuing a master's in American History? 406 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: All right? Where to go? So we also hear from 407 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: some folks who are still in school, not just about 408 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: to go out and get their advanced degrees. One example 409 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: of this is listener Michaela, who is from southern New 410 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: Hampshire and she's a freshman in high school. And she 411 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: wrote in to say, many of my friends made fun 412 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: of me for listening to the podcast, but I never 413 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: thought too much of it and um. She went on 414 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: to say that it helped a little bit with one 415 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: of her English classes, and she wrote, I wanted to 416 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: thank you for helping me use my resources to create 417 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,959 Speaker 1: a wonderful piece of writing and showing my friends that 418 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: my favorite podcast can really help in other classes besides history. 419 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, show your friends, Michaela. Podcasts are are cool. 420 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes people are inspired to start their own podcasts. We 421 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: have a note here from Marie and she says, back 422 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: in January, after several long drives, I had heard the 423 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: idea of more art history topics coming up and This 424 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: got my brain turning. As a photography student at Utah 425 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: Valley University, my love of history has bled into a 426 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: love of art history. I got to thinking, why couldn't 427 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: we have an art history podcast on campus. Our podcast 428 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: Arts and Facts officially launched this month and we're finally 429 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: on iTunes you. We're looking forward to getting more people 430 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: interested in topics of art and I have stuff you 431 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: missed in history class to think so. And I think 432 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: the listeners who have started their own podcast as one 433 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: of my favorite genres of listener mail. We do hear 434 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: from teachers sometimes who get their whole class making podcasts 435 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: as a project or an alternative to a research paper, 436 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: and I think that's so cool. And we've even been 437 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: like enough to hear some of the podcast that kids 438 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: have have recorded. Very cool. But I wanted to read 439 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: one more education related email. This one is from Jason, 440 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: and he says that my wife and I are homeschooling parents, 441 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: so we are always looking for resources to make our 442 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: seven and eleven year old daughters education fun and interesting. 443 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: We search for and download episodes that are relevant to 444 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: what they're studying at the time and just play them 445 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: while the kids are in the car or sitting at 446 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: the table drawing or coloring. Some of their favorite episodes 447 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: are the top historical pets naturally, I mean she doesn't 448 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 1: like that one, and anything about princesses so well, I 449 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: agree with both of those. The pet one of my 450 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: favorite topics to cover. So yeah, education emails are just 451 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 1: so neat together. They make I don't know, they make 452 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: me feel good when I when I read them, for sure. 453 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: So we also get postcards from people all over the world, 454 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: which we love. You guys sometimes see them. They end 455 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: up on Facebook. We put them up there so you 456 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: do a little collage of postcards every now and again. 457 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: But we get so many more even than just those, 458 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: and we wanted to share one with you from Shannon 459 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: and she is writing from Germany, the birthplace of the 460 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: Brothers Grim. She says, I have recently moved to Germany 461 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: and love listening to the podcast when I take the 462 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: train to explore. One of my favorite podcasts was on 463 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: the Brothers Grim and it inspired me to go on 464 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: their trail even today. Some of the forests and I'm 465 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: sorry I can't totally read her handwriting all here, but 466 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: I think she says something to the effective they're still 467 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: dark and deep, and it's easy to see why the 468 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: original versions of the fairy tales were not sweet bedtime stories. 469 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: But she did include for us a little treat. She 470 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: gave us each a little frog prince figurine from what So. 471 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: She said she wanted to give us something from one 472 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: of the nicer tails, So thank you very much, Shannon. 473 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: We're enjoying those. It's an adorable addition to Sarah's little 474 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: king slash prince collection she has. I have a lion 475 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: that I think we just got as some sort of 476 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: discovery gift. I don't know, maybe like a new website 477 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: came out. And then of course the Beaver King. The 478 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: Beaver King one of the better known um bow teas 479 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: from listening Meals this year. But before we sign off, 480 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: we want to leave you with a few more of 481 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: these listen While segments that we've started doing recently, and um, 482 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: I think you guys have had a lot of fun 483 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: writing in and telling us what kinds of cool things 484 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: you do while you're listening to the podcast. One is 485 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: from Jenny and she writes, I am the operator of 486 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: a very small ferry that crosses the william At River 487 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: south of Salem, Oregon. Since I get fewer than fifty 488 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: cars a day this time of year, and it's only 489 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: a three minute trip across the river, I've got plenty 490 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: of time to listen to old episodes of stuff you 491 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: missed in history class. So that's what she's doing while 492 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: she's listening to us. We've got another one from listener 493 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: Joey and Lafayette, Louisiana, and he listens while he makes 494 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: his own Cajun sausages down there in Cajun Country. We 495 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: have another one from listener Jimmy, who lives in Brooklyn, 496 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: New York, and he's an artist, and he says he 497 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: listens to our podcast for hours on end. In his studio, 498 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: he makes quilts with images of space on them. And 499 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: his note here that I love is space Nerds love 500 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: history to exclamation point true. We also received an email 501 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: from a listener in Ovlin, Norway. His name is spelled 502 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: k j E t I L, and he wrote to 503 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: say that he listens to episodes while he's working on 504 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: building a theater in Oslo. And he said, inspired by 505 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: listening to history podcasts all day, I made everyone who 506 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: had been involved in creating the theater sign their names 507 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: underneath the stage floor for people to find when they 508 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: change the floor many years from now. A little time 509 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: so cool. We have another one here from Anne and Sacramento, 510 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: and she says, during naptime, I listened to as many 511 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: podcasts as I can before the kids wake up. Your 512 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: podcast is a welcome break from kids voices during the day. 513 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: I thought that one was funny. We also heard from 514 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: some Facebook commenters Twitter followers. It's a really Both are 515 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: really good mediums for people to share these listen wild topics. 516 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: We heard from Facebook commentator Megan who listens while she 517 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: grooms horses and works on flower beds. The folks at 518 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: Bang Bang Pie and Coffee listen while they bake pies, 519 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: of course, of course, and another Facebook commentator, Alice, listens 520 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: while she does taxidermy. She actually explained taxidermy a little 521 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: bit to us since we have talked about it in 522 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: a few episodes. Our understanding of it was somewhat flawed, 523 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,239 Speaker 1: so now we know you guys could maybe find that 524 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: conversation if you're interested. Um. We also heard from Bart 525 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: who listens while pruning and pollinating petunias for branch research. 526 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: This reminded me of a book I read when I 527 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: was a kid called Frankenstein Plants Petunias, I think, um, 528 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: and we heard from another interesting art related one. Yep. 529 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: Heather listens while she works on her Chandler and Price 530 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: antique letter press. And we have a few letter press listeners, 531 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: but our last one to include today. Kathleen from New 532 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: Jersey listens well, volunteering at her local animal shelter. But 533 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: she has a funny comment to share. She says, it's 534 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: quite a contrast thinking about Empress CC and her cult 535 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: of beauty while scooping cat boot. I guess that's our 536 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: our thought to leave you on for eleven. Um, have 537 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: a great new year and we will be back in 538 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: with more history. Yeah, and keep sending us emails and notes. 539 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: It's so easy. 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