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Speaker 1: Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. Raivalry. No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 2: You don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 1: Revelry. That's good. Holla. Hudson here reporting live from Toronto, Canada,

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Speaker 1: where a couple of days ago a plane flipped over

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Speaker 1: at Pearson Miraculously eighty people survived. Pretty crazy shit. Ah,

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Speaker 1: but that's not what I really want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about my domesticity because I'm here

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Speaker 1: in my house in Toronto, and yeah, you know, I

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Speaker 1: know to do my laundry and I need to do

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Speaker 1: all that shit. But today my wife is coming and

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Speaker 1: so I had to clean clean. There's so much salt

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Speaker 1: on the streets of Toronto right now that when you

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Speaker 1: track it in, it's like white splotches everywhere. So I

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Speaker 1: got the vacuum mount, I grew out the thing, I'm mopping,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing everything else, and then I go to do

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Speaker 1: the dishes and I guess, for some reason, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I put I put the wrong soap in. I think

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Speaker 1: it was like fucking dish soap not detergent. So I

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Speaker 1: go download the dishwasher and it's a fucking sud sudfest

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Speaker 1: like pouring out. And now I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: fuck to do. I don't know how to get the

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Speaker 1: SuDS out, you know, I was there was this like

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Speaker 1: a rinse button. I don't know. I'm trying to make

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Speaker 1: it sexy. I'm trying to make it clear. I you know,

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Speaker 1: sheets are in the dryer. I have to put the

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: In the waiting room, and I was Emily Hampshire and

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Speaker 1: she's an actress you probably know from Shit's Creek, but

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Speaker 1: she's I think lives half in Toronto, half in LA.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if she's in La or in Toronto.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we're even right next to each other and we

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Speaker 1: have no fucking idea. Well, let's bring her in, let's

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Speaker 1: have it. Let's have a chat. You have the headphones

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Speaker 1: and you have the mic because you have a podcast. Correct, No,

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Speaker 1: I know, it's it's the new ship. Everyone's doing it.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's kind of old shit like.

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Speaker 1: People, No, No, that's I'm making I'm joking. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's crazy. You know. It's funny. When when I started

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Speaker 1: doing this, I think it was like four or five

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Speaker 1: years ago, and I remember there were six hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: podcasts and my sister and I were like, holy fuck that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how what that's so many? And of course

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Speaker 1: now I think there's what like nine million or something.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because if you started so I just just

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Speaker 2: literally started this. I'm very late to the party. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: the party is so over and I just walked in.

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Speaker 2: But if you've been doing it for like four was

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Speaker 2: it before the pandemic?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was before. It was before COVID.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's ahead of the game.

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Speaker 1: They were doing it in person and it was really

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Speaker 1: fun and then you know, bang, everything shuts down, moved

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Speaker 1: to zoom, and now everything stayed on zoom. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm in actually I'm in Toronto right now.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm in Toronto right now.

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Speaker 1: Are you in Toronto right now? This is what I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, where are you? In Toronto.

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Speaker 1: I am. I'm doing a movie here. There's like four

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Speaker 1: Do you know her? Because she she's I'm working with her.

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Speaker 1: She's playing my girlfriend. Oh my god, yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: She's the greatest.

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Speaker 2: I mean we you know, she doesn't have food poisoning.

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Speaker 1: No, I know, and I'm not sure it was even

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Well I'm surprised though. When you said

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe lesson maybe not when it's cold.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in Montreal and school like literally we

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Speaker 1: So you grew up in Montreal, you're between LA and Toronto,

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Speaker 2: I go where work takes me. And recently work has

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, I bet, I bet. And so you grew

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Speaker 1: Like that affirmation was like I have got it.

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Speaker 2: Well, just like that I was paid attention to for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it's so funny because there are certain people

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Speaker 1: brick wall, and then I don't know whether I have

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00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: eighty eight or not. I mean probably do it. I

434
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I think we all do, but like, you know,

435
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: I think I cannot push pasted it and I get

436
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: frustrated and I.

437
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: Stop, Yeah, are you a perfectionist?

438
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: Strangely I didn't think I was, but but but after

439
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: some self analysis, not even in therapy, just yes, because

440
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,479
Speaker 1: if you're going to break down, why I stop it

441
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: is that it's like, oh wait, it's not right, it's

442
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: not right. Okay, you got to go back rather than

443
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: just fucking barreling through it. And then I'm like, okay,

444
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: I got the first act, but holy shit, here comes

445
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: a big second act, like now what know?

446
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: I realized this thing that And again I'm so new

447
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: to this, so it's not like advice, but this thing

448
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: happened to me when I was pitching. And you know,

449
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: you say you're pilot and the pitch, but I hadn't

450
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: written the pilot yet, and I was like, I need

451
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 2: to just write this pilot to know how to pitch

452
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 2: this better. And so I wrote the pilot, not having

453
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 2: to write, like nobody was waiting for it. I did

454
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 2: it over the holidays, and I did the bad draft

455
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 2: of like the whatever draft of it, and the fastest

456
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,239
Speaker 2: thing that's ever come. I think the best thing that

457
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: because there was no expectations were just find out what

458
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: this is, find it out while you write it. And

459
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: then the best like writing advice I ever read was this.

460
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 2: Have you ever read Stephen King's book on writing?

461
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: No, it's really great, But.

462
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: The best thing in it to me is write something

463
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: and then put it away for like a two weeks

464
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: at least, and then you read it again and it's

465
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: like reading something. It's like what you're talking about. When

466
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: something else you can edit it and you can you

467
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: know what the animal is. But when you're close to it,

468
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: it's possible. Yeah.

469
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's so true. And it's just about barreling

470
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: through it.

471
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 2: You know.

472
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: It's saying, you know what, it's that no pressure? Who

473
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: gives a shit? Draft?

474
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is easier to do when there's no pressure.

475
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure. But the thing is that again,

476
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: for me, it's putting that pressure on myself yourself, rather

477
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: than saying, who gives a shit? You're not showing this?

478
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: Then it was just for fucking you, who cares? You know?

479
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: I used to have that with like auditions, put I

480
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: you know, I still have to fight with myself for it,

481
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: but just even putting myself on tape alone whatever, starting,

482
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: I couldn't start because I wasn't going to be great

483
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: out of the gate. And I was just like, if

484
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: I didn't start, then I didn't fail. Yeah, but the

485
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: minute I started, then it's like, oh, but I feel

486
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: like this new thing of like do it badly? Do

487
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: the world do the worst draft? Yeah?

488
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's funny. I mean, coming back to Jamila,

489
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: That's what I love about her so much is you know,

490
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: she just doesn't give a fuck and that allows her

491
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: to have like real freedom in her in her acting.

492
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: She's just so you know, I've.

493
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: Worked with her. I admire her work. I think she's amazing,

494
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: but I didn't know that about her, which is the

495
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: dream to just give a shit about what I think.

496
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, that's the goal, that's the true goal.

497
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: Well when did you sort of have that moment where

498
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: it was, oh, okay, wait a minute, I uh, I

499
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: can do this for a living, Like I'm now making

500
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: money and this is my job.

501
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it was when I I got my when

502
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: I got my first job. I did my first audition

503
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: for this show called Are You Afraid of the Dark?

504
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: And I was so excited to get an audition, which

505
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: is something I try to remember today when like if

506
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: my manager agent calls, I love them, but like I'm like,

507
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: why are you calling? You know, But like back then,

508
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: to get an audition, I was it was success already

509
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: and and I knew I wanted it to be a job,

510
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: like then when I got that, Like in the audition,

511
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: I looked right into the camera and did but I

512
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: got the job of girlfriend number one, And in retrospect,

513
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: I really look back and think I had it good.

514
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: How my career did go, Like started out in that part.

515
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: Then I got like an episode of something where I

516
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: had five lines, and then because I wanted it to

517
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: be like by the time I was sixteen, if I

518
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: hadn't worked with Leonardo DiCaprio, I.

519
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: Was you failed?

520
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: Done? Yeah, And I did feel like I failed. But

521
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: now I look back and I'm like, god, that was

522
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: so good because I had things. Especially being in Canada,

523
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: you can star in like ten movies they go to

524
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: tiff and no one knows about them, so you have

525
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: that experience. And like I remember I was in this

526
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: Cronenberg movie with Rob Pattinson and we went to cat

527
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: and it was gonna be the biggest thing ever it wasn't,

528
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: and which was kind of great. When Shit's Creek happened.

529
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: I was signing on to a show with Catherine O'Hara

530
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: Eugene Levy. I was like, this is gonna be big

531
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: and it wasn't. It wasn't. And then when we were done,

532
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: when me and Annie were to Annie and plays a

533
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: Lexus on the show, anding each other like any offers,

534
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: any auditions only did nothing crickets and uh, and then

535
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: the other the sag Awards happened and all that and crazy.

536
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: It just helps you know that, yeah, this happens, and then.

537
00:30:53,400 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: That does happen. Yeah, I was working with Cronenberg. That's

538
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: pretty cool though, I mean, aside from maybe not blowing

539
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: not blowing up, but like.

540
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you realized.

541
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: Holy shit, that's so rad. Yeah.

542
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's amazing and for me, nothing like I would

543
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: have thought because he's just so nice. Yeah, and he

544
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: doesn't give thankfully. My friend Jay Barshall was in the

545
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: same movie and he was shooting before me, and I'm like, so,

546
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: what's he like, what's the direction like? And He's like,

547
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: just be prepared that he doesn't if he doesn't say anything.

548
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: He likes it, like if he doesn't give you direction.

549
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: And thank god he said that to me because me

550
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: and Rob were in this limo and so he was

551
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: giving direction as like the voice of God. And all

552
00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: he would do was go like again, hey, thank you

553
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: and then moving on and like But then I got

554
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: to know him, and I'm like, oh, if he if

555
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: he didn't like it, you'd say something and whatever.

556
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: But so he would when he when he wanted something else,

557
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: he would just say it.

558
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. But he his belief is that he casting

559
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: is the big thing for him, and he believes that

560
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: he's cast you in the park. They know what you're doing.

561
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you've got it wrong.

562
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: Even I remember. So Rob had to get it was

563
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: a Pronenberg movie, so this will make sense to you.

564
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: He had to get a prostate exam in the limo

565
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: and Rob never had a prostate exam, and so that

566
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: was he was like, ah, I'm not sure how you do.

567
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: And David came in and bent over and showed demonstrated

568
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: how one gets a prostate exam and that's the kind

569
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: of directory is y notes or he'll do it for.

570
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: You, right. That is amazing. Oh my God, that's so funny.

571
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like the nicest guy.

572
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So that's the that's the experience you take

573
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: from that's what you get from it. Maybe it didn't

574
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: blow up the way that you wanted to, but you

575
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: got to work with David Cronenberg.

576
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: I totally And you know, had that blown up, Like

577
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: I look back at where I was in my life, Like,

578
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: had that blown up, then it would not have been

579
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: great for me. It would like things happened, And I

580
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: remember like auditioning for things I really wanted and I

581
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: didn't get it, And had I gotten that, I wouldn't

582
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: have gotten Shoots Creak and that. Like it's just all

583
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: these things kind of really work out, I think, I mean, don't.

584
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: I know, Well, that is so true. I mean I

585
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: think there's you know, there's always doors closing and other

586
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: ones opening, and who knows if there's a reason behind

587
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: it or if it's just cool. I don't know, that's

588
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: a bigger question. But yes, you know, when you look

589
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: back at it, it always kind of seems to work out,

590
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Uh, you know, I don't

591
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: know if that's just because we don't know the sliding

592
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: door element of it. We don't know what would have happened.

593
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: So it's just our reality. So it's all worked out

594
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: because it's our reality exactly.

595
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 2: There is that core or something where it's like life

596
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: is lived moving forward but understood backwards and like right

597
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: to understand it when I can connect to these dots.

598
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So with your career, you know,

599
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: were there hang ups? You know what I mean? Were

600
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: there depressions, were their devastations? Were their relationships that got

601
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: in the way of things?

602
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: You know?

603
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: What about what about the woman of Emily? You know

604
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying?

605
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 2: But how long is this podcast? I mean one of

606
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: the most I guess significant things was when I moved

607
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: from Canada to LA In Canada, at that time, I

608
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: knew the casting directors. I didn't necessarily have to audition

609
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: all the type people would I'd work with the same

610
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: people again, they'd write me stuff and then I go

611
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: to LA and it's like very hard to get an

612
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: audition and very and if I did get an audition,

613
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: it would be like those pre read things where you're

614
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: in a casting director's office there's no camera and no

615
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: and that was a real goal to me, Like I

616
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: didn't know, I felt like I didn't know how to

617
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: act in a room and stuffing, like if I'm playing

618
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: I don't know an alien in something. I feel like

619
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: I could do that if there's like a camera or something,

620
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: but just in your office and you're just sitting there

621
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: and I'm just at your desk, I don't know how

622
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 2: to go full alien.

623
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't.

624
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: And so I started breaking out in literal hives like

625
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: full body tis every time I went into an audition,

626
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: and so I told my agent at the time, my

627
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: US agent, I was like, so I can't audition anymore.

628
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: I'll just put myself on tape, and he was and

629
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: then he dropped me, which was totally fair. I'm friends

630
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: with to this day. Fair. But then the audition for

631
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: Shit's Creak came along, and my Canadian agent, who has

632
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: been my agent since I was started, since I was thirteen,

633
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: I lived in her house and so she was like,

634
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: they're in La go in. They're Canadian, they're nice, and

635
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: she like really pushed me to go in the room.

636
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: So you actually kind of quit audition. You're like, I

637
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: can't do this, Oh, yes, very much.

638
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: So Actually the Kronenberg thing came from a tape which

639
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: was quite fortunate because nothing else came.

640
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: From a dape.

641
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, but that Shit's Creak audition, like my Canadian

642
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: agent really pushed and I knew the cast director from

643
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: Canada and he'd come in and she was like, Daniel

644
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: Descento was reading with you. She like set up the

645
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: scene and I went in and I didn't break out

646
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: in hives. Dan has a story about what I did

647
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: that I have no recollection of, but like I don't know.

648
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: But anyways, but like I went in and had I not,

649
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: I didn't change my life and so.

650
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow wow, And then so through that, so after that,

651
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: you know, Shit's Creek ends, and then are you sort

652
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: of on your way or was there like kind of

653
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: a lull where you're like, wait a minute, what the fuck? Yeah?

654
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, not just the normal because so also when I

655
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: got Shit's Creak, it was there was no streaming at

656
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: the time, right like that first year. So my Canadian

657
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: agent was like ay, and I didn't I thought I

658
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: was just the girl in front giving David towells like

659
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: I didn't know where this part was going to go,

660
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: but I wanted to people, and my Canadian age it

661
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: was like if you're just gonna be giving towels on

662
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: a show in Canada that's not gonna go anywhere else

663
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: if you get an American series. She put in my

664
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 2: contract that if I got an American series that didn't conflict,

665
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: I could do it. Lo and behold. I got this

666
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: show called twelve Monkeys that was an American series at

667
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: the same time as Shits, and it didn't conflict at first,

668
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: and then they went for a second season, and then

669
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: it was I was doing Shits during the day and

670
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: twelve Monkeys at night, and it was the greatest time

671
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: of my life.

672
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

673
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And everybody was so nice to me, Like the

674
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: ads would be like, you got fifteen minutes, just I'll

675
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: tuck you win, bring you something. I mean it just

676
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: like what I love to do is like NonStop work.

677
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: But then they both.

678
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: Ended, Oh my god.

679
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: So it was also it wasn't just like that. It

680
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: wasn't just that they both ended. They were both the

681
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: greatest parts of all time in completely different ways. Like

682
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: twelve Monkeys. I don't know if you know the movie.

683
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, the movie. Yeah, I didn't see the show. I

684
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: didn't see your show, but I know the movie.

685
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: That's okay. I played the Brad Pitt Park. So it's

686
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: a great part, right, I got to do everything, and

687
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: it was time travel, so like as an actor, everything,

688
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: and then I got to do Stevie, who just the

689
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: easiest job in the world, right, so all at the

690
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: same time. And then that ended, and not only did

691
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: I not have a job, I didn't think i'd ever

692
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 2: get as good a job, like I would never get

693
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: both satisfying both those things ever, And that's actually when

694
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 2: I started kind of creating my own stuff. And because

695
00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: what I saw Dan do, Dan Levy, who his hands

696
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: were in everything like the size of the menus, the costumes,

697
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: the creating a world of it was what I realized, like, Oh,

698
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 2: when I do a part, what I love the most

699
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: more than the acting, it's like with the ideas and

700
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna wear, what I'm gonna look like, what

701
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 2: all that coming up with a character that I love.

702
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: And I even sometimes like I love working with people

703
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: I've worked with before, so like on Twelve Monkeys, I

704
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: get to have an idea and be like, oh, what

705
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: if we did this, then then it happens, And so

706
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: I was like, that is the only way I'm gonna

707
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: get everything I want, right, And then I did that

708
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: and I've got nothing nothing nothing, no money.

709
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: Either, not yet. I mean, you're that does the thing

710
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: is it's all Oh, it's just always a hustle. It's

711
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: always a hustle. At whatever level you get to, you're

712
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: still hustling. No, true. You know Tom Cruise is still

713
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: hustling to be Tom Cruise.

714
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I can see him working at it too

715
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 2: when he's.

716
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: Being Tom Cruise. Yeah. Never hard, right, it never ends.

717
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: It never ends.

718
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 2: But you're right about that. It's at every every level

719
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 2: because I think back in like when I got my

720
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: first audition, that was huge to me. Right now, fuck

721
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: do I ever not want an audition?

722
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: I know?

723
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: But then now I'm doing Like my manager just actually

724
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: had this talk with me yesterday because I was like, oh,

725
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: I didn't sell this thing, and I was sad, and

726
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: he's like, but you did sell it. You just didn't

727
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: sell it to the like I did sell it. But

728
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: I sold it in the first thing, and I wanted

729
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 2: you know, that was overlooked because I'm like, more, it

730
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 2: has to be better and better it does.

731
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what drives us. But at the same

732
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: time we have to, you know, find that gratitude. Obviously,

733
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: you know.

734
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 2: That's what Jamila Jambill has. She knows what the fuck's up.

735
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was a quitch like I don't want to

736
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: be an astrohnt. I hate it. And then now she

737
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: wanted to spend time with her dogs.

738
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

739
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: No, now she's done this and she's having a blast

740
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: because a couple of gigs she was not having, you know,

741
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: whatever it was, it wasn't great. And now she's kind

742
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: of like, this is so fun. I think I want

743
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: to be an actor again, you know, but I just

744
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: love the conviction. She's like, fuck it, I don't give

745
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: a shit. It's so great.

746
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: I aspire to be that way. And then I'm like,

747
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: if I was like I think I always see this

748
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: and they're like, that's not what it means independently wealthy

749
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: or just just not have to worry about money things

750
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: ever again, then I could be yeah, no, I know,

751
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: but maybe I couldn't, you.

752
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: Know, I know, I know, I get that. I mean

753
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: there's practicalities in life, you know, there's certain things. I mean,

754
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: I have three kids, I've got school, I've got this,

755
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: I got my wife. She doesn't work, you know, she

756
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: just wants to be a mom, which is I fucking love.

757
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: But now it's like okay, Papa Bay. You know. So

758
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: there's a.

759
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 2: Lot and it's at every level too, because like, you know,

760
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: I think people have this idea of actors and like

761
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: even with the fires and stuff, you know, Liker Levey

762
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: lost her house and and a lot of people are like, oh,

763
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: these people are rich, they can for their new that's

764
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: not like you know, I mean it's yes, it's easier

765
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: on certain levels to be able to start over and stuff,

766
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: but like it comes with its different issues and we

767
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: you know, doing shit's creek people. I get these d

768
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: ms all the time, like can you pay for my

769
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: hospital treatment and stuff? Because I'm like, we we need

770
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: Anadian dolt, the equivalent of seashells. That's right, like under actra,

771
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: Like no, what is this idea that you're you know,

772
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: and but the is I'm fine, I'm not. I'm very happy.

773
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 2: But it's this you got to be good in your

774
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: head if at all, Like.

775
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not married right now, are you?

776
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 2: No?

777
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm you're divorced. Okay, so I want to get into

778
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: your love life for a second, but sort of how

779
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: you balance or create space for someone or even if

780
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: you fucking want to. I don't know. But career, love marriage,

781
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, is this? Has it affected your love life?

782
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: Has your career affected your love life?

783
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. So I've done it all and

784
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: I'll try to get it in two minutes a minute.

785
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: So I was married for like eight years. It's great

786
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: marriage and stuff, but I would go away for like

787
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: a year, and then it wouldn't be and then I

788
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: would think it would just be three months, and then

789
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: it would keep going, and you know, uh, I, if

790
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: I was on the other side of that, I wouldn't

791
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: want to be in a relationship with somebody like that.

792
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: So it was very difficult. But then then I was

793
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: engaged and that and then I realized.

794
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: That that happened.

795
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: So I've done all that. But then I realized, like

796
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: I am married to my work. I am. It's not

797
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: lost on me that I'm a total workaholic. It is

798
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: what I will choose it over everything. And so I

799
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: decided I don't want to say I'm gonna be with

800
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: somebody when at the end of the day, I'm gonna

801
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: choose work. And so I don't ever want I don't

802
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: want love or relationships or none of that. I am

803
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: great friends and yeah people and yeah, oh my god,

804
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: I'm done with love not forever, oh yeah, no, but

805
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm I love working you and even like making something.

806
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: It feels like that's your baby.

807
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: I don't know not I get it. I get it,

808
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: I for sure, But like, you can't it's impossible to

809
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: say you're done with love forever. That sounds you know

810
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: what I mean. It sounds like scorned in a way

811
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: you can't because you can't. You can't control. I mean,

812
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: what if someone walks into your life and you're like,

813
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: holy fuck, oh my god, Wait a minute.

814
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: See, I don't think I think I've kind of like,

815
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: I don't think I it because I'll be like I'm

816
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: writing my bad draft.

817
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: I predict that that it's not that. It is that

818
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: that you are not going to be married to your

819
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: work for the rest of your life.

820
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: Well, I love people in my life.

821
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: Oh no, for sure. For sure. You're fun and you're funny,

822
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: and you're pretty, and you're all of these things, and

823
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: you're great energy, and you're going to meet someone and

824
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're going to be friends, and

825
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 1: then it's going to be oh my god, this is cool.

826
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: And then before you know it. It's like, oh my god,

827
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: you're kind of making out. And then it's like you're like,

828
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this is more than just a night. Okay,

829
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: oh shut okay, what's happening here? And then in five

830
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: years bang.

831
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, are we working together? Yes? Well, but what do

832
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 2: you take that compliment? Thank you cause things about me?

833
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, so right, so take it. You

834
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: know you're so welcome, You're so welcome. Well, let's let's

835
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: the three of us like, go to dinner, get to

836
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: get a drink or something.

837
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you're here, yes, I want to get together.

838
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: Let's let's figure that out. Let's figure that out. Well,

839
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: so fun. I appreciate it, and I have I'm here

840
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: for another food three weeks, so we'll hang out. I

841
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: think we should. I think that'll be fun. It's too

842
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: much like.

843
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: It's one in the morning. I'll see you, like trying

844
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,959
Speaker 2: to flag down, like.

845
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: Exactly knocking on the head. I'm lost again.

846
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 2: Alight.

847
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: It was great talking to you, all right, see you soon?

848
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: Bye bye. Cool. I made a new friend. She's so sweet,

849
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: she's funny. God, I haven't watched ships creak. I'm like

850
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: the only person who kind of hasn't, I guess, but

851
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check it out because she's so quirky and quirky.

852
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: Not quirky quirky like c O r k Y. No,

853
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: it's quirky quirky Oliver q U I r k y.

854
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: She's quirky and she's right so funny. Yeah, very cool.

855
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna hang out. I'm gonna leave because

856
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: I don't feel like talking anymore. Like no,