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Speaker 2: Touchdown Kyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces. Oh

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Speaker 2: that was nasty right there, right slam the ground by

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Speaker 2: Puda Baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 2: I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: I mean we should start with a show of hands

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Speaker 2: here right off the top. Who has seen the movie

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Speaker 2: The Perfect Storm?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I was hoping are going to say the Purge?

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Speaker 3: I have seen it.

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Speaker 4: I've never heard of it.

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Speaker 3: It's really depressing.

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Speaker 2: This kind of depressing. It's based on a true story,

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Speaker 2: but I just looked it up for a quick recap. Danny.

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Speaker 2: The film tells of the courageous men and women who

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Speaker 2: risk their lives every working day, pitting their fishing boats

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Speaker 2: off Boston and it's a fishing crew and they encounter

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Speaker 2: the perfect storm. It's George Clooney, Mark Wahlberg and some

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Speaker 3: You've seen it.

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Speaker 2: I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it. I can't remember

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Speaker 3: But remember the end. And it's depressing as heck it is.

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Speaker 2: And as someone who's the world's worst surfer and I've

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Speaker 2: been tossed around by more waves than I've ridden, it

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Speaker 2: is definitely evokes fears of not the way to go

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Speaker 3: Although it is kind of funny I'm trying to picture

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Speaker 3: you surfing off the coast of Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. I can barely handle the coast of

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Speaker 2: Monterey Bay, so definitely not be out there like that.

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Speaker 2: So in this case, though, Darren, once again you might

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Speaker 2: need to explain here on Cardinals Underground, Paul Calvc Danny

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Speaker 2: surrect Darren Rman, this is your brain shout here.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna use the.

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Speaker 2: Perfect storm as a platform to do what with the

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have five topics that pertain to the Cardinals,

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Speaker 3: and we're just gonna talk a little bit about what

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Speaker 3: the perfect storm would be in a good way, not

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Speaker 3: be to have a really good outcome for the Cardinals. Now,

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Speaker 3: we're trying to keep it realistic. We're not gonna sit

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Speaker 3: go into the perfect storm of For instance, the first

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Speaker 2: A realistic ceiling of sorts, Yes, because you know, for meteorologists,

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Speaker 2: the perfect storm denotes, okay, all these forces nature coming

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Speaker 2: I think at the very least he's an MVP candidate

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Speaker 2: He was there in twenty twenty one. It's not too

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Speaker 3: Three I to me, the running part of Kyler is

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Speaker 2: We've obviously seen it and flashes, most notably in the

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Speaker 4: I think if you're not going to attach numbers to

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Speaker 3: Okay, So here's my question for both of you then,

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Speaker 3: especially with the way you kind of phrase that, Danny,

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Speaker 3: Like I for.

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Speaker 4: Me, maybe I'm confused.

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Speaker 2: Well no, no, don't clip that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess to me, for me, if you're

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Speaker 3: expecting most of these things to happen. That's not best

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Speaker 4: Okay, Vin, Yeah, I could see best case scenario of

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Speaker 4: That was on me.

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Speaker 2: This should be a new segment. Questions I wanted askedur

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Speaker 2: have you seen all these top ten MVP preseason listings?

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Speaker 2: And he was listed number eight and Kyler you were

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Speaker 2: I do get the Philly Kyler sees a lot more

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know when all the coaches and players say

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Speaker 2: Good. Let that hang in the air as we go.

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Speaker 2: Category number two here in the perfect storm of palooza

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Speaker 4: Say it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to reverse engineer it because you want

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Speaker 2: to hear it. Last place Seahawks. I really enjoyed saying

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Speaker 2: U Dubb's offense was last year and how innovative event was.

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Speaker 2: I thought Gino Smith just got worse as the season

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Speaker 3: See Okay, So here's the question again with this, when

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Speaker 3: we're talking about perfect storm, but realistic perfect storm?

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Speaker 4: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Are we talking about the.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals perfect storm Seattle wins four games there?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Are we talking about the Cardinals winning the division? Not?

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Speaker 4: The playoffs being competitive with the Rams.

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Speaker 2: On my board, the perfect storm for the Cardinals in

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Speaker 2: the division is second is actually a flip seeing the Rams,

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Speaker 2: which is no small thing. No, Sean McVay has won

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Speaker 2: If there was one offseason initiative, in my opinion, it

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Speaker 2: camp last year because he's going in like he's a

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Speaker 2: hard hitting safety.

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Speaker 3: I posted a video. I embedded a video of James

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Speaker 3: Connor's best plays of twenty twenty three in a rushing

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Speaker 3: game story that Zach Gershman wrote, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I feel like watching this video, and I'm

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Speaker 3: watching this video. The number of times you see Michael

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Speaker 3: Wilson making a huge block on a long Connor run

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Speaker 3: on the video is wow, over and over and over.

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Speaker 3: And you can see why the running game is so

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Speaker 3: good is because not only do they have a great

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Speaker 3: scheme in there now, but they've got these guys that

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Speaker 3: not only are you know, offensive lineman, but you got

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Speaker 3: a receiver who's doing just what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: All right. So, uh that brings us to the running

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Speaker 2: back room and a perfect storm. First off, you got

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Speaker 2: to figure out the back end of that room. It's

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Speaker 2: James Connor, it is Trey Benson, and how many running

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Speaker 2: backs make this final roster? And if you're going with four,

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Speaker 2: then guess what, there's one pretty prominent name on the

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Speaker 2: outside looking in, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean yeah, I don't. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: and that and that's the special question. I mean, yeah, like,

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Speaker 3: are you do you? Are you keeping DJ Dallas no

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Speaker 3: matter what because the special teams and then he happens

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Speaker 3: to be a running back. I mean, I I think,

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Speaker 3: I think Michael Carter did a lot last year, and

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Speaker 3: I think they would like him around. And Trey Benson's

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Speaker 3: obviously on this team, and obviously Connor is So then

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Speaker 3: your questions are de Mercado and DJ Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean yeah, and Michael Carter is unlike anyone

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Speaker 2: else in the room, so you know you're one too,

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Speaker 2: at least at this point. So then, but Amaro de

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Speaker 2: Mercatta was a guy who earned the third back third down.

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Speaker 2: Would be shocked if.

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Speaker 3: This team had five running backs, especially if DJ Dallas

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Speaker 3: can play such good special teams.

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Speaker 2: Probably not, no, But then but then then you're probably

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Speaker 2: at least in NFL roster building one to one. It

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Speaker 2: means you have three tight ends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably true too, which which.

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Speaker 2: I guess is I mean, if you're on you know,

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Speaker 2: Trey McBride and then Tip Ryman and Elijah Higgins, but

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Speaker 2: you're leaving off Blake Whiteheart or Travis Voclut. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean that's possible, possible, It's definitely possible.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but we are talking about the perfect storm here.

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Speaker 3: So regardless of who the running backs are, what kind

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Speaker 3: of year does this running back.

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Speaker 4: Room have a healthy one for Connor? Yeah, another player

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Speaker 4: similar to Wilson other o' connor has more years in

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Speaker 4: the league of needing to stay healthy. He's gonna say

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Speaker 4: one thousand yard season, is the ceiling is the floor

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Speaker 4: rather than not the ceiling than perfect storm thousand yard season?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair.

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Speaker 2: I think with a perfect storm he used the Michael

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Speaker 2: Jordan quote the ceiling is the roof? Or is it

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Speaker 2: the roof is the ceiling? What was the famous Michael

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Speaker 2: Jordan when he went back to North Carolina The ceiling

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Speaker 2: is the roof? You know, I'll say the ceiling is

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Speaker 2: the roof. With James Connor, going back to his Pro

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Speaker 2: Bowl year when he had eighteen touchdowns combined, I'll say

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Speaker 2: that is the perfect storm for James Connor. Eighteen touchdowns

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Speaker 2: if he stays healthy for seventeen games knock on four, Micah,

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Speaker 2: then guess what. I don't think that's unrealistic. In the

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Speaker 2: run and pass game.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So if we're talking perfect storm, and in this

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Speaker 3: case you guys are talking about perfect storm with Connor,

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Speaker 3: does the perfect storm with Connor then automatically mean you're

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Speaker 3: going to get a lot less from Trey Benson.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I would Connor hit a thousand yards missing four

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Speaker 4: and a half games correct ideally, And I guess in

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Speaker 4: a perfect storm, if Connor is healthy every game, you're

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Speaker 4: able to utilize Benson in a way that is there

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Speaker 4: to give Connor rest, to keep him healthy, and in

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Speaker 4: doing so that doesn't affect the way you're running the ball.

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Speaker 4: If you put in Michael Carter for James Connor might

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Speaker 4: have to change a little bit of how you're running

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Speaker 4: the ball. Maybe saying with the Mario de Mercado, perfect

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Speaker 4: storm is having Trey Benson as a rookie being able

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Speaker 4: to fill that similar role. They have similar size, Benson

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Speaker 4: is fast. So that's the perfect storm for me. Is

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Speaker 4: you're still heavily relying on JC. You're using Benson as

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Speaker 4: a way to sustain Connor's abilities and his strength and

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Speaker 4: his health.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, if I'm manti asin for it,

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Speaker 2: all eyes are on Trey Benson in pass protection because

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Speaker 2: if he is reliable and especially with his size, you

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Speaker 2: would seemingly have the ability to be good in pass pro.

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Speaker 2: Then guess what a Mario de Mercado might be headed

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Speaker 2: for the practice squad. Maybe that was his role a

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Speaker 2: year ago.

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Speaker 3: Look, we talk all the time about when you want

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Speaker 3: to improve the roster. When you improve the roster, then

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Speaker 3: when you make choices about your roster at the end

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Speaker 3: of camp, there's names you're like, Oh, I thought he

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Speaker 3: was going to be on the team. It doesn't they aren't.

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Speaker 2: That's when you know you're getting better. Is exactly exactly

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Speaker 2: when you cut players that it's really just gut wrenching

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Speaker 2: to cut a player. And then especially if your players

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Speaker 2: that hit the cutting room floor end up on other rosters.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that you want them on the practice squad and

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Speaker 3: they don't make they get snatched up like Starling Thomas

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Speaker 3: did with the Lions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I have one bonus before we wrap this up.

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Speaker 3: Here we go, what is the perfect storm this season

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Speaker 3: for Cardinals Underground and the three of us do we

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Speaker 3: have any thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: People don't know what are the metrics by which we

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Speaker 2: judge Cardinals Underground. So I'm not really sure.

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Speaker 3: My you know, let's let's start with the baseline that

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Speaker 3: Cardinals Underground exists.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, I didn't don't make everyone nervous and

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Speaker 2: realize that everyone is playing for their job. I didn't

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Speaker 2: know that necessarily wins. I see. No, Well, okay, for me,

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Speaker 2: the perfect Storm would be yeah, to fy the Bengo cards,

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Speaker 2: prevent anyone and everyone from actually declaring Bingo. That would

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Speaker 2: be a good objective. I'll throw that into up on

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Speaker 2: the whiteboard.

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Speaker 3: I mean, perfect storm has got to have a perfect

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Speaker 3: new nickname for somebody, right, more props?

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Speaker 2: Oh you're right, you're right. Well, well, initially, the perfect

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Speaker 2: Storm would come to fruition what we called for last year,

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three dip. Everybody now for a twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four exactly work.

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Speaker 4: I thought you were going to contribute, So there you go, laughing.

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Speaker 2: So that's yeah, you're right. We do need a new

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Speaker 2: marketing slogan for this year. You know, we want to

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Speaker 2: rest We don't want to rest on the laurels the

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Speaker 2: last year, although I guess that is debatable whether that

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Speaker 2: can be considered laurel or not.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Either way, the perfect Storm, Danny has some viewing over

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Speaker 2: this summer. She's going to go get the two thousand

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Speaker 2: movie and she's going to stream at George Clooney, Mark

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Speaker 2: Wahlberg and company. The perfect storm is she and that'll

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