1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: What up? Welcome in This is the Herd. Wherever you 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: may be listening, owvery maybe making us part of your day. 10 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 3: Thanks so much. I'm Doug gottliebe in for Colin Cowherd 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 3: and for the next hour, I want to talk sports 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: with you. Uh so it's it's yeah, we're in this 13 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: weird time. You would all agree. I think if we 14 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: none out are head like, it is a little bit 15 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 3: weird time. Politically, it's just weird. You don't have to 16 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: say what side you're on politically, you would admit it's 17 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: it's uh the best way to say, well, that's different. Yeah, 18 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 3: that's that's that's different. Yeah, that's that's different. We're gonna 19 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: do it. Uh, the UFC fight at the White House 20 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: this year, Yeah, that's different. That definitely, there'll definitely be 21 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: a lot of barbed wire tattoos at at that event, 22 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 3: and look, I like, I watched you go see two 23 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: Weekends and goes great at the White House. That's different. 24 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: Sports is in this kind of different place as well. 25 00:01:53,520 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: College sports massive change now that you're paying players massive uh. 26 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: And I do think that there's lots of things that sports, radio, 27 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 3: sports televisions have done that are good. We bring attention, 28 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: and attention brings curiosity. Curiosity brings people to either the 29 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: TV sets or to their radio stations or in person 30 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 3: to watch games. That's really we're drumming up interest with 31 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: discussion about it. Not all of it's positive, right. I 32 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 3: think the proliferation of sports on TV, combined with the 33 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: fact that sports television hyper focuses on star players and 34 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: a lot of young fans are not fans of teams anymore. 35 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 3: They're fans of players, and a lot of it is 36 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 3: the players move team to team to team. Take Lebron James. 37 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 3: He's played for the Lakers for seven years, it still 38 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: doesn't feel like he's a Laker. Ander fans would go like, Noah, 39 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: he's not. I mean, are you really gonna put him 40 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: on the Mount Rushmore of Lakers? In an outsider to 41 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: Laker to the Los Angeles be like, well, of course 42 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 3: all time in scor he won NBA Championship. Why why 43 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 3: wouldn't ship Well, because honestly, like, are you gonna take 44 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: Jerry west Town, what about Magic? What about Kareem? What 45 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 3: about Big Game James? What about Kobe? What about Shaq? 46 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 3: Where do they where do they stack up? You're like, well, 47 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: it's just different. We didn't even get to all the 48 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: other Wilt Chamberlain never discussed him, all right, Elgie Baylor 49 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: didn't discuss him, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So 50 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: we're in a weird time where there are people who 51 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: are Lebron fans, not Laker fans, and Laker fans who 52 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 3: they don't even accept Lebron as a Laker. He just 53 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 3: kind of playing for Lakers, and they're like, eh, well, 54 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: we're good. We're also in time in which suddenly now 55 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 3: we're I mean Sunday obviously, I think most of the world, 56 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: most of the United States, starting to pay attention to soccer, 57 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: like oh yeahah yeah, yeah, World Cups next year. We'll 58 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: be fake soccer fans up until then, and when it's 59 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: over that will pretend like we're real soccer fans, and 60 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: then we'll move on. But the WNBA has been a 61 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: part of the sports radio sports television conversation now for 62 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 3: parts of the last two and a half years, And 63 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 3: what does that coincide with the rise of Caitlin Clark? 64 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 3: And you can argue otherwise, feel free, you can say 65 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 3: whether there's this, there's that, bah bit bah bit bad, 66 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 3: But the reality is it tracks directly with Caitlin Clark, 67 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 3: and the ratings are the easiest determinant. Again, I don't 68 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 3: you know, It's like, if we went purely by ratings, 69 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: we should be talking about NASCAR. But the reality is 70 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: NASCAR fans, NHL fans, they don't listen to sports radio. 71 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 3: But in the sports discussion, the WNBA has become kind 72 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: of a talking point, and I think it's it's just 73 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 3: weird that we feel compelled to force the conversation to 74 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 3: spread out around other players. Angel Reese is the biggest 75 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: recipient of attention, some because of her play, a lot 76 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: of because of her antics going back two years ago 77 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 3: in the Final four, but a lot of it is like, look, 78 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 3: she's good players, good rebounder. Reebok gave her her own 79 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 3: shoe I would love to see the sales numbers on 80 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: that bad Boy. And there is a portion of the 81 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 3: demo which likes Angel rees likes that she somehow becomes 82 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: some underdog story, Like she's not an underdog. You know, 83 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 3: she left to school to transfer to LSU where they 84 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 3: gathered up the best women's basketball players and won national championship. 85 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 3: That's not an underdog. And then she was a top pick, 86 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: now the top but a top pick in the WNBA draft, Like, 87 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 3: that's not an underdog. But whatever, if you want to 88 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: make it into an underdog story. We can make anything 89 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: into an underdog story. But I find it really curious 90 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: on how Angel Reese is the face of the WNBA 91 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 3: on the WNBA edition of two K twenty six. So 92 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: that's a weird one. Now, for if you know the 93 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: in the Superstar edition, Carmelo Anthony is also on the cover, 94 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: so you're like, wait, now we're getting super weird. Carmelo 95 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: Anthony covers the NBA. Now I think he's is he 96 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: gon word for Amazon or NBC. So a little bit 97 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: of the two K cover is kind of like the 98 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: Sports Illustrated being on a Sports illustrated cover, right, used 99 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 3: to matter a lot doesn't really matter now, Like, I 100 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: don't even know if Sports Illustrate still does the magazine. 101 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: Even when they did the magazine, they started doing the 102 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: regional stuff, And when they started doing the regional stuff, 103 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: they started play cating as many different demos as possible, like, hey, 104 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: let's just be nice where it used to be, Like, 105 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: let's just put Jordan on the cover and sell a 106 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: bunch of magazines. He's the best. Everybody knows he's the best. 107 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 3: But the two K cover is weird, right, Why would 108 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: you put Angel Reese there? What is this need to 109 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: place others there? We do it. By the way, in advertising, 110 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 3: if you watch the NBA Playoffs, there were there littered 111 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: throughout the entire playoffs were WNBA players in the place 112 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 3: of where NBA players used to be as spokespeople for you, 113 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: you know what, used to just be the Chris Paul 114 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: Lebron James and Steph Curry show. Now all of a sudden, 115 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: you have WNBA players who, let's just be honest, no 116 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: one knows who they are outside of Caitlyn Clark. And 117 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: my guess is that two K twenty six and in 118 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: this alternate cover doesn't sell a ton anyway. But do 119 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: you think you would sell more if Caitlyn was on 120 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: the cover. The answer is yes. How do I know? Well, 121 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: her Mamba shoes sold out in like what two hours 122 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: or something crazy like that. Like she's a thing. You know, 123 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: she's a superstar, and superstars are not always determined based 124 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: upon who the absolute best is. It's who we like 125 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: to watch the most. By the way, Katon Clark returned 126 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: from injury today ten six five and the Fever's blowout 127 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 3: loss to the Valkyrie. That's the new team in San Francisco, 128 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: so they've hit a little bit of a tough stretch. 129 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 3: She hasn't shot the ball as well. I'm not gonna 130 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 3: sit here and tell you Cayton Clark's the best player 131 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: in the WNBA. I don't know who is, and frankly, 132 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 3: I don't care. But I've been doing this job for 133 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: twenty three years. Twenty three years, twenty two years ago. 134 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: Twenty three years ago I started at ESPN Radio on 135 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: a show called Game Night. Never talked to women's basketball, 136 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 3: especially the WNBA unless there was something dramatic, and for 137 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 3: the most part that just wasn't there. And again I 138 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: worked at the ESPN. ESPN talked about ESPN products all 139 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: the time and said blah blah blah blah blah, like 140 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 3: talk about our stuff, Synergy Synergy scenery. But no one 141 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: ever said, you know, we should talk about WNBA because 142 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: nobody cared. People care now, And yet it's like the 143 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: WNBA wants to like push her away and say like, yes, 144 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: she's fine, but everybody else is awesome. That's why you 145 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: should really be paid attention. And when you're trying to 146 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: figure out why, like why what would the pushback be? Right? 147 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: I think to most of us, especially to men, you're like, eh, jealousy, 148 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 3: that was reasonable, right, And we can say that only 149 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 3: women are jealous, but plenty of guys are jealous. Right. 150 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 3: You think of the story of why Barry Bonds is 151 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 3: alleged to have started using steroids. Barry Bonds was the 152 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Famer no doubter, Roger Clemens first 153 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 3: ballot Hall of Famer no doubter, Okay, both it started 154 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: their careers started to be diminished, and they started to 155 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 3: be out shown by people who most people think were 156 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 3: on steroids. And so then they juiced up and the 157 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: two who were to the all time greats became the 158 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 3: greatest ever at an age which had to be receiving 159 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 3: artificial help. Right, those guys are jealous. I have three dogs, Okay, 160 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: pack mentality, but my dogs, you know, when I come home, 161 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 3: because I'm the leader of the pack, they're all fighting 162 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: for attention. Why it's some sort of jealousy. And we're 163 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: seeing that here in the WNBA. And the inability to 164 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 3: process the jealousy and to use the positivity of the 165 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 3: attention that Caitlyn Clark getting to grow the overall sport 166 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: is kind of laughable to the rest of us, but 167 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 3: it's also understandable. Hell, hath they rath like a woman 168 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: who's scorned, Right, that's from a playwright in the sixteenth century, 169 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 3: seventeenth century, and it's true here. And they're not scorned 170 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 3: Caitlyn Clark. They feel scorned by the media. And it's crazy, 171 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: right because the media is doing backflips to try and 172 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 3: help them out, like, hey, we're trying to cover your game, 173 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 3: but we can't talk about stuff that nobody cares about 174 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 3: and the mainstream fans, and you can't control what mainstream 175 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: fans like and don't like. You know, I think the 176 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: easiest Taylor Swift is maybe inarguably the most popular performer 177 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 3: in the country. She's by all accounts, now she's got 178 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: that third comma, she's a billionaire. She toured on her 179 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 3: last tour and sold out stadium after stadium after stadium, 180 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: night after night after night. Would anybody argue that she's 181 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 3: the best songwriter, singer, former, or best looking. No, but 182 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 3: people have decided. I like her, I like the vibe, 183 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: I like the songs, I like the the whole thing. 184 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: Are there better female singers, Sure, they're better female country singers. Yes. 185 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 3: Are there better performers they're better looking women to go yes, Yes, 186 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: but again it doesn't mean that they're as popular. And 187 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: the people who have pushed back against her tour are 188 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 3: no different than the people who push back against the 189 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: popularity of Caitlin Clark. Like, imagine shunning being on the 190 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: opening act for Taylor Swift. Why, Like, hey, I should 191 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: be a headliner? Like that's great, you should be Or 192 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 3: you can use the attention of her tour to propel 193 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: your career to height sun now heights on. Now, do 194 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: you guys remember that time slot? This is again, if 195 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 3: you're a child of the nineties, if you're a child 196 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 3: of the nineties. You remember Must See TV on NBC, right, 197 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 3: and you had Cosby Show into Cheers and you had 198 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: that time slot in the middle. Most of it was 199 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 3: for a long time. It was a different world, remember, 200 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: a different world and whatever That eight thirties show was 201 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: got a huge number, not because it was a great show, 202 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: but because it was in between two of the greatest 203 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: shows on television, you know, and then it became Seinfelden 204 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 3: Friends whatever. Same thing. But the point is that you 205 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: can either use the rise in popularity for good or 206 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 3: you can fight against it. And it feels like the 207 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 3: WNBA is fighting against it, and they keep pushing us 208 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: Angel Reese, Angel Reese, Angel Rees, Angel Reese, and you're like, 209 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: you keep pushing it, and I just I don't. It 210 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: doesn't feel good to me. It feels like bitterness. It 211 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: feels like jealousy. It feels like you've been weaponizing yourself 212 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 3: for twenty five years of not being paid attention to. 213 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: Then we pay attention to You're like, now you're not 214 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: paying attention to the right stuff. Here we are again 215 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: with another WNBA story of not using the popularity of 216 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark to grow the game because you put Caitlin 217 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 3: Clark on that cover. The thing sells out in minutes, minutes, 218 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: and when it sells out, inevitably they'll be I don't know, 219 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 3: a third or half the number of people who buy 220 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 3: it have never bought a video game ever before. And 221 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: if even half of those people throw it in and 222 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: play it, that's that's found money. That's a whole new 223 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: market that brings people to playing games that have never 224 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: played it before. Instead, it's Angel Rees who has a 225 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: level of popularity, but it is a fraction of that 226 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 3: of Kaitlin Clark. We got a lot to get to. 227 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: We've got Cooper Flag versus Brownie. That's tomorrow in Vegas. 228 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 3: We got herdline news. But coming up next here in 229 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: The Herd. Wait to hear what Kad said about his 230 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: time with the Brooklyn Nets. That's next. 231 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 232 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: and noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 233 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 234 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 4: Hey what's up everybody? It's me three time pro bowler 235 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 4: LeVar Arrington, and I couldn't be more excited to announce 236 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 4: a podcast called Up on Game? What is up on Game? 237 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 4: You asked along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. Hutschman 238 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 4: Zada and Super Bowl champion. Yep, that's right, Plexico Burris. 239 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 4: You can only name a show with that type of 240 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 4: talent on it. Up on Game We're going to be 241 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 4: sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen 242 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 4: to Up on Game with me LeVar Arrington, TJ. Huschman, Zada, 243 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 4: and Plexico Burrs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 244 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 4: where ever you get your podcast frob. 245 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 3: As for Steve Nash, that's kd's former head coach when 246 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 3: he was in Brooklyn. Here's KD this week talking about 247 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 3: his time in Brooklyn. 248 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 5: I don't think we didn't get the full Steve Nash 249 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 5: like I want it, like you probably wanted. I just 250 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 5: felt like it was just too much, too many distractions 251 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 5: in a way, and you know you can't win that way. 252 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 5: But I felt like we had great intentions though. I 253 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 5: feel like we cared enough. I feel like every day 254 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 5: we were trying to push towards winning the champion. It 255 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 5: was a great vibe, man. It's some of the best 256 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 5: times out that first year. That's why I saw that 257 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 5: deal that first year. Man, most fun ball I had 258 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 5: some of the most fun ball I had planning my 259 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 5: whole life. I enjoyed it. 260 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 3: So obviously it's a different spin on kd's time in Brooklyn, 261 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: which is generally seen as a failure, a failed experiment. 262 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 3: And I know Colin likes to point out like, you're 263 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: putting your career in the hands of Kyrie, and you know, 264 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving, among other things, got hurt, and he got hurt. 265 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 3: And that was the year, you know, without throwing Kyrie 266 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: under the bus, Kyrie was under the bus from that year. 267 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 3: That was the year that Remember, Kyrie was the post COVID. 268 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: He didn't want to take a BAX, couldn't play at home. 269 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: Then eventually he got to play later on the year. Uh. 270 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: You fast forward to the next season and Kevin Durant 271 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: they nearly beat the champions, the Milwaukee Bucks, if not 272 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 3: for his foot being online. And that was without Kyrie 273 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 3: Irving was hurt. And of course James Harden had the 274 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: pulled hamstring that he was trying to play through. He 275 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 3: had the Ben Simmons thing. Look every athlete, every place 276 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: you work, when you move around, he'd like, man, it 277 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: would have worked if but it didn't. You got to 278 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 3: work through those stages of grief, be whore. You get 279 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 3: to through the to the acceptance level, right, And I'm 280 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a Hey, it's really hard to coach 281 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: when you have all these other don't know if Kyrie's 282 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 3: gonna play tonight or if he's he allowed to play. 283 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 3: Ben Simmons, what's his deal? James Harden, Remember he wanted 284 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: to be traded and then he had. He was constantly hurt. 285 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 3: He don't want to play any defense, like it's a 286 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 3: lot and you know, again, if you parse his words, 287 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 3: you're like, oh, well, he had more fun there than 288 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 3: playing in Golden State. I think for KD. You know, 289 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: if you really cut down to brass tacks, it's got 290 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: to be hard because Lebron's sitting there, you know, and 291 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: Lebron's pretending to be everybody's best friend, or maybe wants 292 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: to be everybody's best friend now. But the reality is 293 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 3: Kevin Durant was an MVP by the way, three time 294 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 3: runner up for Envy, but an MVP in Oklahoma City. 295 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: They come within a game of beating Oklahoma City. Then 296 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: he's a free agent. He goes to Golden State and 297 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 3: they win two titles, probably would have won the third 298 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 3: and not torn as Achilles Tenen. And I'm sure at 299 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 3: that point in time he was trying to show, hey, 300 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 3: I am the best player in the world. I just 301 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 3: am not surrounded by enough space to where I can 302 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 3: show you that I can score on anybody, including Lebron 303 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 3: James in the NBA Finals, which he did. But most people, 304 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 3: or many people's reaction continues to be, you join the 305 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 3: seventy three win team, I congrats you won an NBA 306 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 3: title on this show at the time and since I've 307 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 3: repeatedly told you, okay, why do we pay attention to 308 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: the number of wins of that team? Yet? Ever since, 309 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 3: right in the ten years since, how many times the 310 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: team of the best record this year obviously best record 311 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 3: won the title but did so in seven games? How 312 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 3: many teams those teams ever got to the finals? Just 313 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 3: like there's not really a correlation between college success and 314 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: professionals success in football and in basketball, there's not really 315 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 3: the correlation for the most part, between regular season success 316 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: and posting and said, there's just not right, There's just 317 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 3: not And that seventy three win team, okay, probably should 318 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: have won the NBA title Andrew Boga got hurt, and 319 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 3: then Dremond Green got suspended, and even then it took 320 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: an incredible Game seven from a loaded Cleveland Cavaliers team 321 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 3: to beat him. So they instead of doing strength in numbers, 322 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: they gutted their roster. They moved on from Harrison Barnes, 323 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 3: and they got Kevin Durant. I'm sure in his mind 324 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 3: he's like, look, dude, here I am. I think on 325 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 3: the best player in the world and on the biggest stage. 326 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: I was the best player in the NBA finals two 327 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 3: consecutive years, guarded by Lebron James. I was better than 328 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 3: the second half where it matters. But he didn't get 329 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 3: he didn't get the positive uh accolades that he felt 330 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: like he deserved. So he goes to Brooklyn Mine. You 331 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 3: don't like it when I joined the team. We'll build 332 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: one on our own. We found a coach who was 333 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: a former player that we could all you know, I mean, 334 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: it's not his fault, Like yeah, I mean I understand 335 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 3: what Colin's saying, where it's like, okay, Kyrie saying we 336 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 3: don't need a head coach and having all of these 337 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: guys like a James Harden oora Ben Simmons that have 338 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 3: their own flaws, no matter how talented, like it was 339 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 3: a recipe for a disaster, despite that they were within 340 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 3: one toe being on the line of beating Milwaukee Bucks 341 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: who won the title. But KD trying to have the 342 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 3: back of Steve Nashton saying hey, he really didn't get 343 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 3: the coach. Does paint us a picture of just how 344 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 3: chaotic that franchise must have been. But I will tell you, 345 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 3: and this is again from personal experience, no matter how chaotic, 346 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 3: you either break through as a coach and demand that 347 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: you are a coach. And I know it's different in 348 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 3: the NBA when those guys are worth half a billion dollars. 349 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 3: Or you don't coach, you don't coach. So gotta be 350 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 3: Isshue thirty six, working on thirty seven and now with 351 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: probably one or two more shots at a title. And 352 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 3: that's what I think. Katie probably thinks he needs to 353 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 3: put himself on a mount Rushmore that he'll probably never 354 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 3: be able to get to, despite the fact that I 355 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 3: think he belongs there. I think he's the best scorer 356 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 3: of this generation post Carmelo Anthony and his game evolved 357 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 3: more than Carmelo Anthony's did in terms of three point 358 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 3: shooting and playing face in the basket, whereas Carmelo was 359 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 3: unbelievable score for a time, mostly in the post in 360 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 3: the midrange. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. 361 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: No new, this. 362 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 2: Is the herd Line news. 363 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 6: All right, Doug, we'll stay in the association. Talk some 364 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 6: NBA here. The Celtics major movers this offseason, dumping salaries 365 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 6: and players left and right. Well, Boston's president of basketball Operations, 366 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 6: Brad Stevens, had this explanation for all of these moves 367 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 6: in the offseason, the. 368 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 7: Second aprons, Why those trades happened. I think that those 369 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 7: are pretty obvious, and the basketball penalty associated with us 370 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 7: are real. We've all talked about that. That was part 371 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 7: of making the decision to push and put our chips 372 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 7: on the table and go forth the last two years. 373 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 7: But we've known for a long time the hard decisions 374 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 7: were coming, and I think of the agents and players 375 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 7: have known that too. I mean, that's been pretty well communicated. 376 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 6: So pretty clear that the Celtics were looking to get 377 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 6: underneath that second apron, which is highly highly prohibitive against 378 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 6: making any future down the line. And in addition, to this. 379 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 6: He's also put an emphasis on the fact that people 380 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 6: keep using the term rebuild, and he said that's not 381 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 6: going to be a part of the lexicon in our 382 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 6: building and the way we're going to focus moving forward. 383 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 6: He wants them to quote, compete like hell to win 384 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 6: the next game. 385 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: Look, do I think the Celtics will be better than 386 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: anyone could perceive without Jason Tatum? Yeah? Do I think 387 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 3: he gives Jalen Brown a chance to show he can 388 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 3: lead a team? Absolutely, But when you have three hundred 389 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: million tied up into two guys and one of them 390 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 3: can't use his left hand, the other one is coming 391 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 3: off in Achilles, gonna be hard. But what he's been 392 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 3: able to do in manipulating that roster and figuring all out. 393 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: As good a coach as Brad is, he might be 394 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 3: a better executive, Yeah, might be a better executive. 395 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: Arkable but it so. 396 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 6: One of the sort of talking points that Boston has 397 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 6: held on to this offseason was that the Jason Tatum injury, 398 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 6: specifically in a vacuum, did not necessarily change the moves 399 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 6: that they were already intending to make to avoid that 400 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 6: second apron. Do you buy that? 401 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, Yeah, I mean they were gonna move prezingis 402 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 3: I mean that thing was that wasn't I mean, barely 403 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 3: played last year, he wasn't, right, Sure, you know they 404 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: and they Horford was one of those. I'm sure they 405 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 3: wanted to make an offer whatever, but at thirty nine, 406 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 3: it was probably best he moved on. And the same 407 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: thing with Drew Holiday, Like, Drew's tremendous, but it's some 408 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 3: I'm sure that was all part of the plan. You know, 409 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 3: Drew not happy about being in Portland, but I'm sure 410 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 3: he'll end up finding a place to a team that 411 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 3: wants could bee for a title. 412 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 6: Uh. 413 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually do buy that. I do. I think 414 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 3: that the plan is still in place and that they 415 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 3: haven't you know, totally. I think the Anthony Simmons one 416 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 3: would be the Simons excuse me, that's the one that like, 417 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 3: all right, would they have acquired him if they had 418 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 3: Jason Tatum, probably not, But the guys they moved on from. Yeah, 419 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 3: I think that was part of the plan all alone. Yeah. 420 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 6: It also I tend to believe that and agree with 421 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 6: you in the sense that we know that the Celtics 422 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 6: have been aggressive with making moves and as you said, 423 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 6: Brad Stevens maybe a better front office executive than he 424 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 6: even was as a very successful head coach. And we 425 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 6: tend to forget like the Knicks were in real control 426 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 6: of that series with a healthy Jason Tatum. So I 427 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 6: think there were some early indications that even withinside the building, 428 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 6: Boston may have been looking at that as we can't 429 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 6: just sit here and assume that we were ready to 430 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 6: win another title if Jason Tatum hadn't gotten hurt. The Knicks, 431 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 6: who now look at as a seriously flawed team, we're 432 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 6: very much in position to win that with a healthy 433 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 6: Jason Tatum. 434 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 3: So I tend to Ageah, I mean, they stole they 435 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 3: stole Game one. I mean that was that was a 436 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 3: big part of it. Sure, uh, and they were in 437 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 3: control before Jason Tatum went down. But I think the 438 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 3: Persingis thing was really you know, it's I also think 439 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: it's really interesting what's happened in Dallas. You have a 440 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 3: guy who builds a championship roster. They go to the 441 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 3: finals last year, and part of building that was he 442 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 3: moved off of Perzingis because Persingis is always hurt. And 443 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 3: then Boston was able to just keep him patch together 444 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: to win one NBA championship and you know this year 445 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 3: again he's always hurt. It's always something so uh but yeah, 446 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I think they were going to move on 447 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 3: from presingas they were going to move on from Al Horford. 448 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: They were gonna move on, uh probably from Drew Holiday 449 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 3: as well at the end of the year, regardless of 450 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 3: winner loss. I'm sure that was part of their players. 451 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 6: All right to the NFL. Travis Kelcey he will be 452 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 6: back for or a thirteenth season in the NFL in 453 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 6: with the Kansas City Chiefs, but his production has dropped 454 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 6: off in the last two seasons and last season most notably. 455 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 6: Part of his decision to come back was that he 456 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 6: didn't want to go out like that. He felt like 457 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 6: he let his teammates down well. Brett Beach, general manager 458 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 6: of the Kansas City Chiefs, had this to say about 459 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 6: Travis Kelcey at the end of his career and where 460 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 6: he's at at this point as a playmaker, saying, quote, 461 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 6: the great ones know how to find it, They know 462 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 6: where it's buried, they know how to access it. They 463 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 6: can't access it at that age week in and week out, 464 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 6: but when they need it, they know how to find it. 465 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 6: This might be it. That's sometimes what we're like with Travis. 466 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 6: But when the games are most important and the lights 467 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 6: of the brightest, he finds it somewhere. 468 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's about right. Right, that's about right, Like he 469 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 3: doesn't have it on a daily basis, but when needed, 470 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 3: he can still dial it up. I think can't see 471 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 3: it's gonna be interesting, right because they continue to figure 472 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 3: out a way to get it done despite the fact 473 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: that they don't over you know, there's not playmakers that 474 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: strike fear in people's hearts. So again I'm interested. And 475 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 3: the other part to it is most most NFL people 476 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 3: will tell you, like, once you start to think about 477 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 3: ree and retired, you are. I think he's really thought 478 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 3: about it, So again, be interest to see how he 479 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 3: comes back from her. 480 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, to your point, So what will will be interesting 481 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 6: to see about Travis this upcoming season is the production 482 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 6: dipped slightly two seasons ago. But what we saw in 483 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 6: the regular season wasn't the same as during the postseason 484 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,239 Speaker 6: where he had those big moments. This year, it just 485 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 6: felt like the production had really dropped off and he 486 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 6: wasn't totally able to tap into that next gear quite 487 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 6: like he had the press season. Now he has taken 488 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 6: full ownership of it. He's admitted that, you know, in 489 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 6: the offseason he could have done better with taking care 490 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 6: of his body, and he's taken a different approach this year. 491 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 6: So we'll see if he can sort of turn back 492 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 6: the clock. But it feels like for a guy playing 493 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 6: that position at this age, at this point in his career, 494 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 6: it would be hard to sort of reverse course from 495 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 6: where the trend is headed. But obviously for someone who's 496 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 6: been as productive and successful as he's been in his career, 497 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 6: and with Pat Mahomes throwing him the ball, it's not impossible. 498 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 6: We'll wrap up with this staying in the NFL. TJ 499 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 6: Watt holding firm on wanting a new contract that pays 500 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 6: him inline or more than Miles Garrett, who now makes 501 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 6: forty million per year on average, well Adam Schefter reporting 502 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 6: the two sides still far apart on a new deal. 503 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 6: Watt has been withholding from team activities in hopes of 504 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 6: that new deal, and has at least stated not publicly, 505 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 6: but the expectation is that he would be willing to 506 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 6: hold out of training camp or hold in whatever they 507 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 6: do these days to get that new deal. 508 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think Pittsburgh you mentioned Collins mentioned 509 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 3: it going all in. I think they want to let 510 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 3: the season play out and then figure out what's what, 511 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 3: who they want to keep, what they don't, And there's 512 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 3: a world where they let the match and start over, 513 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: including the coaching staff. There's a world in which they 514 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 3: have a great season. And even Aaron Rodgers did leave 515 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 3: the door slightly cracked. I think it's my last season. 516 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 3: We'll see and that's why music with news. 517 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The 518 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: Herd Line News. 519 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 3: It's that time of year where there's an over hyped 520 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 3: fake game that brings you to the TV to watch 521 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 3: Summer League in the NBA. What game is it this year? 522 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 3: What should proper expectations be towards Brownie James? I will 523 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 3: tell you next time. Doug Gotlieb, this is the Herd. 524 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 525 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 2: and noon Easter and Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS 526 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: one and the iHeartRadio app. 527 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 3: Doug Glliman for Collins, I heard Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio app. 528 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 3: Let's let's discuss this NBA Summer League stuff. So you 529 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 3: got the stats there Ryan Music for Ronnie in two 530 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 3: Summer League games. Now, first Summer League game had ten 531 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 3: to a half, ended up with ten, didn't play huge minutes, 532 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:37,479 Speaker 3: but did play enough, and then played yesterday and really struggled. Right, 533 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 3: was the combined stats that you had. 534 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 6: So yeah, he hasn't played heavy minutes in either game, 535 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 6: but if you combine them, he has played twenty six 536 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 6: minutes over two games. He scored twelve points. But it's 537 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 6: the shooting and the lack of efficiency which has become 538 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 6: a problem because he's four of twelve from the field, 539 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 6: two of seven from three. 540 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he shot it I think an airbar or 541 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 3: two in yesterday's game. They played at the at the 542 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 3: Warriors Arena. Here's the reality to it, okay, And somehow 543 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 3: I know that every time we post something he get 544 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 3: to the why are you talking about lebron or lebron 545 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 3: a or whatever like, Well, we talk about lots of topics. 546 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 3: Bronnie James and Cooper Flag on opposing teams on opening 547 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 3: night of Summer League is going to be a thing. 548 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 3: And what we talk about on Fox Sports Radio are 549 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 3: the things are the important things we don't deally dally 550 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 3: and things that people don't care about. That's what bad 551 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 3: radio cu bad sports radio networks do. We focus on 552 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 3: what people talk about the most. That'll be talking about that. 553 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 3: So the expectations for a second year pro, and these 554 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 3: are reasonable expectations, are for you to dominate in summer league. 555 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 3: You've played in the NBA, You've played a against the best, 556 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 3: you've practiced against the best. You've been through an NBA season. 557 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 3: You know whatever sets you're running again, they're not running 558 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 3: anything ornate, but you've done it on an NBA floor, 559 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 3: you know all the tricks. You get a little bit 560 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 3: more respect from the officials. The expectations are for you 561 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 3: to be dominant, the best player on the floor. Now 562 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 3: here's why it's unrealistic for Bronnie James. He might have 563 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 3: had one G League game like that this year, maybe. 564 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 3: And I mean I never watched him outside of videos 565 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 3: prior to when he moved to Los Angeles, but I 566 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 3: saw him play in high school in aau in Los Angeles, 567 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 3: and there was never a time which he was absolutely 568 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 3: the best player on a high school floor or on 569 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,959 Speaker 3: a college floor. And so it does feel like unrealistic 570 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 3: expectations that he'll be the best player on a summer 571 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 3: league floor, not because you're not supposed to win, you're 572 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 3: an NBA player, you are, but because that's never been him. 573 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 3: As for Cooper Flag, I am intrigued by how he's used, 574 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 3: how he's played. We have seen him dominate at Again, 575 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 3: here's the difference, right, Here's a kid who was the 576 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,280 Speaker 3: best player when he played sixteens, was the best player 577 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 3: last summer, was the best player at Duke, and at 578 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 3: times this year on college basketball floors he was the 579 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 3: best player. Does that mean he'll be the best player 580 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 3: now opening nights? We've seen Wemby struggle opening night. Now 581 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 3: he'd just gotten off a plane from France. We've seen 582 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 3: other guys like Lebron dominating opening nights. Obviously he's Lebron 583 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 3: is a little bit different. But usually number one picks 584 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 3: are sort of like golf. Around of golf, there's one 585 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 3: or two things that make you want to come back, ooh, ooh, ooh, 586 00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 3: there's something there. So proper expectations for Cooper Flag are ooh, 587 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 3: one or two things. Proper expectations for Bronnie James are, Hey, dude, 588 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 3: at some point, you gotta be the best player floor. 589 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 3: You played in the NBA last season and you're playing 590 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 3: against eighty percent of those guys are not NBA players, 591 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 3: maybe more and more, and you had three more years 592 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 3: of guaranteed deals and I and I you know, you 593 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 3: can't undersell this enough. Like the Lakers spent most of 594 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 3: this year with their G League team focusing on the 595 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 3: development of Bronnie James, which I'm sure is part of 596 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 3: kind of this recent pushback where they're like not really 597 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 3: about lebron which is like, dude, really, like you're not 598 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 3: all for us, all for winning a championship. And we 599 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 3: basically create, you know, changed our G league roster, and 600 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 3: he traveled sometimes, didn't travel for the first part of 601 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 3: the year, then did travel some that he's called up 602 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 3: a bunch. Then we played him some in the NBA, 603 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 3: like we did all the things for Ronnie James, like 604 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 3: it's not really an NBA player, and then oh yeah, 605 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 3: by the way, you have there. You have read various 606 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 3: people who covered the NBA have said they expectations are 607 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,240 Speaker 3: that they think next year he'll be in the rotation. 608 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 3: If you're an NBA rotational player, you should be dominating 609 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 3: summer league. I play with the Lakers in the summer League, 610 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 3: Slava Dvedenko and Devin George were dominant. They took all 611 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 3: the shots, they had all the points, they knew all 612 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 3: the sets, they knew everything, and they were bit players 613 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 3: on those Lakers teams. That's how it works. Hasn't changed, 614 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 3: won't change, and that that first year, but that first 615 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 3: summer between rookie year and second year, that's the most 616 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 3: important summer of your NBA career. You've got to make 617 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 3: big strides. And the first big strides you got to 618 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 3: make is dominate in the Summer League. It's just a 619 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 3: mentality thing that has to match up to your skill set. 620 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 3: And my issue with it is only we haven't seen 621 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,959 Speaker 3: him do that before, so the likelihood of him doing 622 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 3: it doesn't feel great, Doug. 623 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 6: To your point about the attention and the interest in 624 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 6: this upcoming game between the Mavericks and the Lakers in 625 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 6: the Summer League, Anthony Slater, who we had on earlier 626 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 6: on the show, pointed this out. But some of these 627 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 6: statistics online floating about is that the average ticket price 628 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 6: for a Summer League game that counts for absolutely nothing 629 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,240 Speaker 6: is going for about two hundred and twenty three dollars 630 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 6: and courtside seats are looking to be over three thousand dollars. 631 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 3: First of all, I just so we're aware, I don't 632 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 3: buy that. I know what's been reported, but again, like 633 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 3: I don't really do you think anybody's really shelling out 634 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 3: three thousand bucks? Maybe? 635 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 6: Yeah, I feels like here's now part of it. 636 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 3: Also, remember that event is a kind of a who's 637 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 3: who have it's This is like the NBA's convention, right, 638 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 3: Free agents meet there, agents meet there. You have international 639 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 3: players there, international agents are there, international teams come to 640 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 3: scout because most of those players will go play overseas. 641 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 3: Whatever it is. Then that opening night is a who's who. 642 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 3: And you know, I mean, like look, Cooper, Flag's gonna 643 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 3: I mean, Kyrie is gonna be there. I'm sure the 644 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,399 Speaker 3: guess is Lebron's going to be there. Right, So you're 645 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 3: not necessarily just buying a ticket to watch the game. 646 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 3: You're buying a ticket to like basically going to a 647 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 3: club before everybody goes out to a club exactly. 648 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 6: And that's what I was going to say, is the 649 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 6: only reason I'm willing to buy that this is a 650 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 6: possibility is because it's in Vegas. So if I'm gonna 651 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 6: believe that guys go to Vegas and they'll drop ten 652 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 6: grand on a table in a nightclub to pop bottles 653 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 6: of champagne, which from the supermarket go for much less 654 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 6: than that. I fully believe that in order to flex 655 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 6: those same muscles as a hey, look at me, why 656 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 6: wouldn't someone drop a couple thousand dollars to be able 657 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 6: to be courtside to watch Cooper flag and be able 658 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 6: to sit next to Lebron James. 659 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, although you'll never get next to Lebron James, right, 660 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 3: and sure, and you're gonna watch Cooper flag and maybe 661 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 3: he plays twenty minutes and whatever. 662 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 6: Again, I'm not saying it's a smart thing to do, 663 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 6: but I totally see it happening. For sure. 664 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 3: If you have twenty five hundred dollars in Vegas, is 665 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 3: that the best way to allocate your resources? 666 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 6: Absolutely not. But there's a lot of things. There's a 667 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 6: lot of poor financial decisions happening. 668 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, correct, it is. It is a. It is a 669 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 3: It's like my old college coach, coach, and he said, 670 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 3: we played in Vegas against UNLB two years in a 671 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 3: row on the road, and both years we got out 672 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 3: the planet. He's like, man, look at them skyscraper's brother. 673 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 3: They don't keep building them because the house loses. That 674 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 3: is the land. It's not just sin City, but the 675 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 3: land of bad financial decisions. All right, have you missed 676 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 3: any today's show? Check out the podcast. Meanwhile, future dates, 677 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 3: Listen to Doug Gottlieb show This Is the Hurt on 678 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio.