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Speaker 2: first question, do you think the Warriors should have bent

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Speaker 2: we'll go back what is the realistic Warriors path forward?

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Speaker 2: They effectively lost Pool and Clay for nothing, plus more

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Speaker 2: In that case, then I think you could potentially convince

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Speaker 3: Grant, Well, there's a little bit of a you.

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Speaker 2: and buy into a five out system. Is more of

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Speaker 2: Obviously the best option would have been re signed Klay Thompson.

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Speaker 2: But that's really over extending yourself with a lot of

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Speaker 2: just a lot that goes into an aggressive move right now,

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Speaker 2: So I kind of understand it. But at the same time, like,

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Speaker 2: tectonic activity, I say Tucson. In Arizona, they're like typical

430
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Speaker 2: tectonic activity. These are volcanic mounds in flag Staff. So

431
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Speaker 2: they're like the they look like, you know, they look

432
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Speaker 2: like the volcano UO see in the Cascade arc arc right,

433
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Speaker 2: Like they're like Mount Rainier or you know Mount Baker

434
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Speaker 2: or Mount Shasta, that kind of thing. They just look

435
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Speaker 2: like giant like cones, right. And so as you like

436
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,119
Speaker 2: kind of come down into that valley right before flag Staff,

437
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Speaker 2: you look out in the distance and it's like kind

438
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Speaker 2: of flat everywhere except for you just see these giant

439
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Speaker 2: like twelve thirteen thousand foot peaks. Well, they have this

440
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Speaker 2: really nice like state of the art, a state of

441
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Speaker 2: the art for a small facility, I should say ski

442
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 2: facility there. They got taken over by a large ownership

443
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Speaker 2: group a few years back. And so it's like for

444
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Speaker 2: a single day where we can leave at four am

445
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Speaker 2: and be back by eight thirty, we can get like

446
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Speaker 2: a legit day of skiing in and my wife and

447
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Speaker 2: I will typically go up on like a weekday on

448
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Speaker 2: like a Tuesday or a Wednesday when there's just nobody

449
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 2: on the mountain and we just cruise because it's a

450
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Speaker 2: little bit on the small side. It's not the biggest

451
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Speaker 2: ski resort in the world, but they've got really high

452
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Speaker 2: quality skiing conveniently located next to us. That we usually

453
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Speaker 2: do multiple like destination trips where we'll go to like

454
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Speaker 2: Park City or like Tahoe or to Breckenridge or something

455
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 2: like that, and then we'll have like several day trips

456
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Speaker 2: where we go up to flag Staff. But Flagstaff has

457
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Speaker 2: always been a kind of a special place for me,

458
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Speaker 2: my friends, and my family. My favorite restaurant there is

459
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Speaker 2: Pizza Collecta. They have a really good pizza and beer.

460
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Speaker 2: We stop in town usually at the end of the

461
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Speaker 2: day and get drinks there. Sometimes we'll stay there for

462
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Speaker 2: multiple days, but it's kind of a getaway from the

463
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Speaker 2: heat to being from Tucson.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Jason big Navs fan, here, are there any minimum

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Speaker 2: signings out there that could move the needle for them

481
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Speaker 2: defensively the way that Derek Jones Junior did. I was thinking,

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Speaker 2: Dennis Smith Junior, if not schematically, how do you think

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Speaker 2: the MAVs can orient their offense to compete with the

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Speaker 2: likes of Oklahoma City in Boston. I did a massive

485
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Speaker 2: deep dive into the Dallas offense and what I expected

486
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Speaker 2: to look like in the future in yesterday's show, So

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Speaker 2: make sure you guys get to a little bit further

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Speaker 2: back in my feed yesterday when we were breaking down

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Speaker 2: m clay Thompson Signing. I went into excruciating detail on

490
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Speaker 2: the offensive fits. You guys can find that stuff there

491
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Speaker 2: other like kind of like two way wings that they

492
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Speaker 2: can look at that I looked at in the free

493
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Speaker 2: agent market for like veteran minimum type of guys Alec Burks,

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Speaker 2: Caleb Martin, Gary Trent Junior, Dennis Smith Junior. Some of

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Speaker 2: those guys end up getting mls at other places, but

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Speaker 2: they're at least potential veteran minimum guys, and they are

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Speaker 2: guys that they can keep an eye on. What's your

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Speaker 2: favorite PRS model? I think the Silver Sky, the Paul

499
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Speaker 2: Reid Smith makes guitars. I think that the Silver Sky

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Speaker 2: is my favorite model in terms of it's just the

501
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Speaker 2: easiest to pick up and play. It's basically their version

502
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Speaker 2: of a Fender Stratocaster. It's their signature model for John Mayer.

503
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Speaker 2: But I think my favorite one that I own is

504
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Speaker 2: probably my hollowbody two Pezo. It's that purple one that

505
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Speaker 2: you've seen behind me sometimes. That one just has like

506
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Speaker 2: a lot of versatility because it can do acoustic guitar

507
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Speaker 2: stuff and it can do electric guitar stuff. And the

508
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Speaker 2: fifty eight to fifteen humbuckers that they have on that

509
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Speaker 2: guitar just sound absolutely beautiful. So that one, I'm gonna

510
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Speaker 2: say is my favorite overall, the easiest to play, easiest

511
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Speaker 2: to pick up and play. In terms of like the

512
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Speaker 2: tactle nature of it, I'd go with the Silver Sky.

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Speaker 2: What's the ceiling on this magic team for the upcoming season?

514
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Speaker 2: Could we see an OKC twenty twenty three twenty twenty

515
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Speaker 2: four type leap? So looking at their offseason, they upgraded

516
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Speaker 2: Gary Harris to Contavious Callwell Pope while also resigning Gary Harris.

517
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: They brought back Goga Bitadze. They brought back Wagner this morning,

518
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Speaker 2: so they're basically running it back with an upgrade of

519
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Speaker 2: a starting spot. I have to look at their draft picks.

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Speaker 2: I mean I didn't even take a look at that

521
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Speaker 2: for I pulled this up. But the East in general

522
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Speaker 2: is gonna be better next year. So even though I

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Speaker 2: expect Orlando to be better, I still kind of think

524
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Speaker 2: they're going to be right in that four or five

525
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Speaker 2: slot again. And I think they're probably gonna lose in

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Speaker 2: the first round to one of Philly, Milwaukee, or New York.

527
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Speaker 2: I think those are the clear top four right, Boston, Philly, Milwaukee,

528
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Speaker 2: New York in some order, with Boston at number one.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Orlando's ready to leap into that group

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Speaker 2: yet this year. That said, I think they're gonna be

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Speaker 2: a huge pain in the ass. I think they're gonna

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Speaker 2: win a lot of regular season games. I think they're

533
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Speaker 2: gonna be right up there in the mix. But I

534
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Speaker 2: just I think there's still quite a ways away. They

535
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Speaker 2: need so much improvement and offensive skill, and collwoll Pope

536
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: is gonna really help as just a better version of

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Speaker 2: Gary Harris. But I still think that that doesn't alleviate

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Speaker 2: the main concern, which is there's just not enough perimeter

539
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Speaker 2: shooting ability in their starting lineup. Now, if Franz Vagner

540
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Speaker 2: and Palabankara both take substantial leaps as shooters, then we

541
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Speaker 2: can have another conversation. It's just hard to believe at

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Speaker 2: this point. You always said you'd be skeptical of the

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Speaker 2: Nuggets if they lost any of their starting five. So

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Speaker 2: with KCP gun, do you see a path of their

545
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Speaker 2: starting lineup being just as good next year with Christian Brown?

546
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Speaker 2: Although it would be different stylistically. Also does rust to

547
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Speaker 2: Denver move you? So here's the thing. To put it

548
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Speaker 2: very simply, the Nuggets are worse than they were last year,

549
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: and last year they weren't good enough. Now I think

550
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Speaker 2: they were better than they looked last year. I think

551
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Speaker 2: KCP and Jamal Murray were both a little banged up

552
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Speaker 2: by the time they even got into the Minnesota series,

553
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Speaker 2: and that ended up being where one of their main

554
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Speaker 2: areas of underperforming in that series. But despite all that,

555
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Speaker 2: they were up twenty in the second half of Game seven.

556
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Speaker 2: So like, I'm of the opinion that, like, yeah, losing

557
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Speaker 2: KCP makes them worse. Yeah, them being banged up played

558
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: a role last year. Yeah, they're a little bit vulnerable

559
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: to specific matchups. But like, I still think, gun to

560
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Speaker 2: my head. If I had to pick one team to

561
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Speaker 2: be my favorite in the Western Conference next year, even

562
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Speaker 2: with Christian Brown sliding into that starting two spot, I

563
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Speaker 2: think I still lean Denver. I just I think Jokic

564
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Speaker 2: is the best player in the world. I think they're

565
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Speaker 2: gonna come into next season angry and motivated. Their margin

566
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Speaker 2: for error is smaller. If they win the title next year,

567
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Speaker 2: it'll be much harder than when they won in twenty

568
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Speaker 2: twenty three. But I think writing them off is foolish,

569
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Speaker 2: and they have some time. They have some time to

570
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Speaker 2: figure some things out. Like my guess is that in

571
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Speaker 2: the long run, this ends with them trying to flip

572
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Speaker 2: Michael Porter Junior into two quality starters at some point

573
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Speaker 2: in the future. But that Aaron Gordon, Jamal Murray, Nikola,

574
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: Jokic corp. Is still one of the best three man

575
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Speaker 2: corps in the league, and I think it'd be foolish

576
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: to write them off. Does Russ to Denver move you?

577
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Speaker 2: I here's the thing I've gotten in a lot of

578
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: trouble with Russell westbrook fans. As a basketball fan, I

579
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: loved watching Russell Westbrook when he was in his prime,

580
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: but as he declined out of his prime, he became,

581
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: in my opinion, one of the most unlikable players in

582
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: the NBA, the amount of stupid stuff that he does

583
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: in the mistakes that he makes. Like all I'm gonna

584
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: say is, as somebody've covered him closely with the Lakers

585
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: and now the Clippers don't want him either, Like Denver,

586
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 2: do not make this mistake like this is It'd be

587
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: really interesting too, because Lebron made the same mistake Yokich

588
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: is about to make. Apparently all the intel is Yokich

589
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: is kind of pushing for that behind the scenes, Like

590
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: there's some elements that you like, right, Like, he gives

591
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: you an athletic guard to put on the floor.

592
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: He's a guy that.

593
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Speaker 2: Brings dribble penetration, which is something that as we all know,

594
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 2: Denver lacked last year. But just there's got to be

595
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: a better option than Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook. It's just

596
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: trust me, guys. For every good play he makes, he'll

597
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: make at least one bad play and in the aggregate

598
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 2: is going to be something that has a negative impact

599
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: on the team. How big are you on the Grizzlies

600
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 2: going into next season? What moves do you think they

601
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: need to look at in the offseason? Cheers from India,

602
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: Thanks for supporting the show. I'm really high on the Grizzlies.

603
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: It's hard to say where they match up with the

604
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 2: top teams in the league because it's just been so

605
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: long since we've seen them all put together and playing that. Like,

606
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: I want to see you a larger sample size before

607
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Speaker 2: we start like ranking them.

608
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Speaker 3: But here's the thing.

609
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: Gigi Jackson and Zach Edy ad a bunch of athleticism

610
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: on the wing and size on the front line. They're

611
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: gonna have big looks, they're gonna have small looks. John

612
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: Morant played like just a few games last year and

613
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: looked like one of the best players in the world.

614
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: So like, I think they're gonna be right there in

615
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Speaker 2: the top of the conference next year, in the top

616
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Speaker 2: four seeds. We'll see what they amount to as a

617
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: playoff team. But I'm a huge believer in Memphis and

618
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: I would be stunned if they didn't have a dominant

619
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Speaker 2: regular season this year, and if they didn't, it would

620
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: probably be.

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Speaker 3: Related to health.

622
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Speaker 2: I think Oklahoma City could have two to three championships

623
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Speaker 2: in the next six years. They're a well organized franchise

624
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: and they are for me, the top three best team

625
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: in the league right now, behind Denver and the Celtics.

626
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Speaker 2: To you agree, I do. I don't quite have them

627
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: up on Denver's level yet, but I think they're clearly

628
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: the second best team in the West, and right now

629
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Speaker 2: I'd take them over any Eastern Conference team not named Boston.

630
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: Originally I thought there was Denver, Boston and then a gap.

631
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: I think a couple teams are gonna enter into that

632
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: tier this year, but Oklahoma City's definitely one of them,

633
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: and right now, before we see all this shakeout, because

634
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: I want to see if Philly ends up arounding out

635
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: their roster with like I want to see if the

636
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: Lakers end up making some sort of trade. Like, There's

637
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff that I want to see. But

638
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: for right now, without having seen the rest of the

639
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: player movement, Oklahoma City, to me is the third best

640
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: team in the league. Hey, Jason love the pod. How

641
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: big of a deal is Denver losing KCP With Okay

642
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: See adding Hartenstein? Are they now the clear favorites in

643
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: the West? As I talked about earlier, I still think

644
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Speaker 2: I leaned slightly towards Denver. But that said, Oklahoma City

645
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: adding Hartenstein gives them more resiliency against Denver. I would

646
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Speaker 2: have given Oklahoma City a zero percent chance to beat

647
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: Denver in a playoff series last year. This year, I

648
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: give them a substantial chance even though I picked Denver.

649
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: So that to me is a substant like a significant

650
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: move in that direction. If Tatum were to become a

651
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: good to great half court shot creator, would he be

652
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: in the conversation for best player in the world. That's

653
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: really the difference. He does everything else, so well, he

654
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: just has to get a Like, I don't think playmaking

655
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: is the weakness for him, it's his shot making ability.

656
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: He just has to become a guy who can be

657
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: a sixty percent true shooting, thirty point per game guy

658
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: consistently in the playoffs in order to justify being in

659
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: that conver station. There's just been too much inconsistency on

660
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: that end of the floor. Again, like to put it simply, like,

661
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: is Tatum as good a half court surgeon as shake

662
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: Yill's as Alexander?

663
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: No? Not, probably, not really close.

664
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Speaker 2: Is Shae gives us Alexander as good a half court

665
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: shot creator as like the Luka Jokic tier, No, not

666
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: really close. So like I almost look at Tatum as

667
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: like a third tier half court shot creator, and so like,

668
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: from that standpoint, like, I still think he's got a

669
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: ways to go to enter into those best player in

670
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 2: the World conversations. What do you see the power rankings

671
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: in the East being and do you see the redistribution

672
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: of talent has made it a strong enough conference that

673
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: Boston would now be equally or less likely than Philly

674
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: or the NIXT to make it the finals. Still think

675
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: Boston's a clear favorite. I think they're clearly number one.

676
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: I think they're clearly better than the next group Nicks, Sixers, Bucks.

677
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: It all depends on what Milwaukee and Philly accomplished over

678
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: the next couple of months, But for right now, it's

679
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 2: all up in the air. For me, I'd probably go

680
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: Nicks too, Philly three, Milwaukee four, just because of some

681
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: of the health questions surrounding Philly. But Boston's a clear

682
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: number one, and we'll settle that out when we get

683
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: into the end of the summer and we do our

684
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: contender rankings. What do you think will be the next

685
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: unexpected star to get traded because his team decides to

686
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: throw in the towel to go into full rebuilding mode.

687
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: The four guys that wrote down were James Harden, Brandon Ingram,

688
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler, and Trey Young. Those are the guys that

689
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: I think, in the next twelve months could become available

690
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: for trade. Harden's on a discounted deal now like an

691
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: affordable deal. Thirty five million. It's a lot of money,

692
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: but it's not an absurd amount of money, and it's

693
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: only a two year contract. And if Kawhi gets hurt again,

694
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: I just think if you're the Clippers trade Harden as

695
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: part of a rebuild, brandon Ingram is the odd man out,

696
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: the weird fit in New Orleans, so I could see

697
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: him getting moved. Jimmy Butler kind of feels like the

698
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: end of the window. We're going to talk about him

699
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: in just a minute. And then Trey Young. You know,

700
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: like if Atlanta just decides that they want to move

701
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: into a full rebuild, that's the guy that's obviously going

702
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: to go. Thoughts on the Miami Heat consistently deciding to

703
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: run it back a year after year instead of improving.

704
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: At what point do we need to call out pat Riley.

705
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: I've called that pot pat Riley every summer for the

706
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: same problem. And the main issue here is now it

707
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: doesn't even make sense to go all in. Last summer

708
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: was the last summer where it made any sense, or

709
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: last deadline was the last time it made any sense.

710
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: They didn't get it done. Now, at this point, it

711
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: feels like Jimmy's starting to kind of tail off a

712
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: little bit.

713
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Speaker 3: Bam.

714
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Speaker 2: That doesn't seem like there's much more of a ceiling

715
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: there than what we've seen, So like, at this point,

716
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: it doesn't even make sense, and I think the window

717
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: might be closed, and so it is what it is.

718
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: There was an opportunity to be aggressive there, pat Riley

719
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: never jumped on it, and I feel bad for Miami

720
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Speaker 2: Heat fans. Jason, what do you make of the CBA?

721
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: Are there any things you wish to see improved? And

722
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: what do you make of the cap aprons? My only

723
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: issue with it is, like I think that those restrictions

724
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: need to be reconfigured to player movement rather than the draft. So,

725
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: for instance, like I don't think you should have to

726
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: pay the price for drafting a bunch of good players

727
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: and having to pay them all. But yeah, if you

728
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: want to go out into the open market and trade

729
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: for players or sign players in free agency, there should

730
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: be punishments for just overspending, right, just to try to

731
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: level the playing field. But like, it's stupid to me

732
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: that a team could just trade, could just draft extremely

733
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: well and end up and end up getting squeezed out

734
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Speaker 2: of retaining talent.

735
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 3: Now there's caveats there. What about traded draft picks? Right?

736
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: Like, Oklahoma City has a million first round draft picks,

737
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: so of course they have a bunch of really good players. Right, Well,

738
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: there's an easy fix there. You just make it for

739
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: your own draft picks. Like if you draft to pick

740
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: with your original team's actual pick that belongs to you originally,

741
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: then that player should not count towards those sorts of

742
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: sorts of cap exceptions essentially, Like imagine it as like

743
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: a spending budget outside of your own draft picks.

744
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: That would be the way that I would look at it.

745
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: But right now, it just it seems like it was

746
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: really heavily geared towards the teams that were big spenders.

747
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: But those teams weren't even the best teams in the

748
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: league really, They just had giant payrolls. And like I mean,

749
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: the teams that had to get out of it, the

750
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: Clippers and the Warriors, how much of a threat were

751
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: they this season? They won two playoff games combined between

752
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: the two of them, Right, So, like it's one of

753
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: those things where, like I think it was kind of

754
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: like a reactionary thing to some large payrolls, but it

755
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: doesn't really serve the purpose of creating fairness around the league.

756
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: What is do you see as then next step in

757
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: Derek Lively's development is adding the three point shot realistic

758
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: I think it's less about the three point shot. Even

759
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: though I do think that Derek Lively has that capability,

760
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: it's more about just becoming the quintessential five out fulcrum.

761
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: I think Dallas is gonna shift to more five out

762
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: movement next year. I talked about it a lot in

763
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: yesterday's show, and there's gonna be a lot of pressure

764
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: on Derek Lively to be a decision maker and a

765
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: playmaker in that role. And there was a report I

766
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 2: saw this morning from Tim McMahon that they're leaning towards

767
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: putting Derek Lively full time into the starting lineup, which

768
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: is another thing I talked about yesterday as an indicator

769
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: of them shifting more towards five out. So like that,

770
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: I think is going to be his main area of

771
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 2: development as being more of like a fulcrum. Great guy

772
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 2: for him to watch film of would be Isaiah Hartenstein.

773
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: That's a player that I think he can learn a

774
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: lot from. Favorite Star Wars character of all time. I

775
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: would go with either Darth Baine or Darth Plagas I'm

776
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: a big Sith guy. I find him to be the

777
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: most fascinating entity in that universe. Darth bain And has

778
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 2: three books that you can find in the Legends could

779
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: continue him and then Plagas has one. Those are like

780
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: four of my favorite books ever. Highly recommend you guys

781
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: check him out. Thron is going to be my third

782
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: place guy, Grand Admiral Thron. Those of you guys who

783
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: have watched Rebels or read the Throng books will know

784
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: why Thron is such a cool character. I also have

785
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: a podcast where I talk Star Wars and not just

786
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: Star Wars, but other TV shows, in media, in movies

787
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: and stuff. It's called Two Sons. You can see it

788
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: right down there. Two Sons have a YouTube channel as

789
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: well as a podcast feed there. Me and my best

790
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 2: friend Luke break all that stuff down. We just talked

791
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: House of the Dragon yesterday. Tonight we're talking the Acolytes.

792
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: You can find that on the feeds later tonight as well.

793
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: How do you gauge which opinions are common in the

794
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,479
Speaker 2: NBA world when a lot of times the loudest people

795
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: are a minority that doesn't always believe logic is a

796
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: necessary ingredient in forming an opinion. This is one of

797
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: the biggest things I've just learned in general since I

798
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: got into this industry. Loudness on social media is almost

799
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: always not the public opinion. It is the fringes that

800
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: are the loudest. In addition to that, there's just not

801
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: a lot of people on Twitter, for instance, there's just

802
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: not a lot of people on Twitter in the real world,

803
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: like a very small percentage of at least of Americans.

804
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's like this in other countries,

805
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: but a very small percentage of Americans are active Twitter users.

806
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: So the idea that like, if you see some opinions

807
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 2: on Twitter, that that's reflective of a specific, large, nationwide opinion,

808
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: that that's just not the case. And so in general, like,

809
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: I've had to work on not reacting, and it's still

810
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: a weakness of mine that I'm getting better at, but

811
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: I have to a not reacting to the loud fringes

812
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: on social media. The last question, how do slash did

813
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: you approach becoming a better ball handler for both yourself

814
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: and your high school kids you work with. You've touched

815
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: on this when covering Jabari Smith identified it as a

816
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: pretty big weakness of his, but last summer you were

817
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: really impressed with him.

818
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 3: Thanks.

819
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: I know it sounds silly, but it's just about drills

820
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: and the main thing specifically with the drills are like

821
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: body language, Like the actual move of a crossover, behind

822
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: the back move or behind the back dribble. The success

823
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 2: of that move has way more to do with whether

824
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: or not you actually sold that you're going the other

825
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: way than how dramatic you whip the ball across a

826
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: basic push cross where you don't do anything fancy but

827
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: just kind of push the ball to the left. As

828
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: long as you had your body geared up to the

829
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: right and your eyes to the right and everything to

830
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: the right, that's going to be more effective than a big,

831
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: sweeping Allen iverson crossover and so like again, like the

832
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: body language is a big piece of it, and then

833
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: tight and under control, Like a lot of people think like, oh,

834
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: it's about dribbling through cones, and you gotta dribble through

835
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: cones as part of your skill development piece, Like that's

836
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 2: how you become better at ball handling. But the major

837
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: piece of it is can you protect the ball in traffic?

838
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: Like real ball handling in real basketball games is about

839
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 2: like when you make a move and the dude's riding

840
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: your hip and swiping at your other arm, can you

841
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: fend him off while dribbling with your left hand as

842
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: you go into traffic, can you split two defenders and

843
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: gather the ball strong before you make that next pass

844
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: or dribble like the low gathers that you see guys

845
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: like Tatum or Jalen Brunson use like, or Trey Young like.

846
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: There are so many different like little intricacies of it,

847
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 2: but most of it is about learning how to dribble

848
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: in traffic. And so it's a good mix of practicing

849
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 2: with cones but also doing ball handling against live defense.

850
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: So like one on one drills where you tighten off

851
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: an area and you make multiple counter moves. That's like

852
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: your turn your man five times drill that you see

853
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: sometimes in high school where you go from like the

854
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: lane line over to the sideline and you just have

855
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 2: to try to turn your man five times. The ball

856
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: handler is working against ball pressure that way. But it's

857
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: a good mix of against live defense and cone dribbling.

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Speaker 2: And again it just guys, it's incremental. Just like jump shooting.

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Speaker 2: You have to put thousands and thousands and thousands and

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Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of reps in over the course of

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Speaker 2: multiple summers to improve. It's a very painstaking process, all right, guys.

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Speaker 2: It is all I have for today. As I said,

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Speaker 2: we'll be back Monday unless we have some sort of

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Speaker 2: major news release. Regardless of when that happens, I will

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Speaker 2: see you guys. When I see you guys, The volume